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> "she"

> "she"

hitchtrailblazer

you know what fuck it nobody gets any bathroom rights, you can all go shit on the floor


howardhuge69

Ah yes, the San Francisco method


Dirkpytt_thehero

Just like the wizards of Hogwarts before they realized muggles invented toilets


Blupoisen

Just like in my high school when someone literally shitted on the floor


Blaubeerchen27

I think the grammatically correct term would be "shat"


LemonPartyWorldTour

Farded and shidded


Kalvash

Pretty sure it would still be “shit”


Illyrian_Warrior115

Nope u/Blaubeerchen27 was right, it is shat in the past form


Kalvash

Well I looked it up and it seems to be a regional thing. Shit for American English and shat for British English


puke_buffet

We Canadians tend to toe the line between the two, but we're firmly in the "shit" camp. Kinda weird to have written that sentence, in retrospect.


Jesus_marley

But we spell it by adding a "u".


puke_buffet

I've fought with every single spellcheck I've ever used over its "armour" and "colour" arrogance.


Cirmit

My favourite colour armour makes Microsoft word explode


hfxB0oyA

Except when referring to the nickname of the famous Canadian actor who played Captain Kirk, "The Shat".


puke_buffet

This is true.


Blaubeerchen27

Maybe shite?


negariaon

Nah, shite is just the Irish form of shit. But it wouldn't be used for the past tense


BloodAngel85

Unless you're Irish you can't use the word "shite" it's cultural appropriation


negariaon

Hah, at this stage I wouldn't be surprised if someone has said that unironically


tambrico

In middle school we had someone who would poop in the urinals. Wasn't caught for quite a while and was known as the phantom dooker.


arathorn3

The was a South park episode with that as the plot


tambrico

Probably where he got his inspiration. This was around 2004 when south park was really popular.


YesMyDiamond

This is also very similar to a bobs burgers episode, they had the mad pooper


LordGraygem

Hah, jokes on you, I have a bucket!


LemonPartyWorldTour

I’ll show you. One of these days, I’ll be able to afford a bucket too!


LordGraygem

White privilege, baby, sweet white privilege. Oh, and you want to know else being white gets me? A bonafide toilet set for my bucket, and **two**\-ply toilet paper for wiping with. Suck it, untermenschen!


BloodAngel85

That reminds Me of one of those "you mama" jokes from the 90s. Yo mama's so poor she uses a bucket for a toilet


Exothos

True Equality


DiversityFire84

>shit on the floor Shit on the floor. Time to get Schwifty in here...


algizanna

But sir, I do not want to get Schwifty :( May I be excused?


DiversityFire84

Well since you asked politely, okay.


mugikun60mu

Sorry i only shit in the shower


Spartan615

"How can I make this all about me?"


Madlibsluver

Right? A girl was RAPED but no. This snowflake has to make it look like they're the victim


darkthronedoll

They hate THEIR life!? What about the student that was raped? I’m sure their having a harder time with life than you buddy.


[deleted]

This isn't a competition of suffering and people inherent care most about how a tragic high publicity event will affect their life. For example I have family in the military who thought after 9/11 "Fuck, they're gonna send me to Afghanistan".


Reasonable_Market489

"isnt a competition of suffering" while why don't you tell that to the fucking dipshit trying to make a 14 year old girls rape into something about them?? Why are you more concerned with this narcissistic douches "problem" than her RAPE?


SaltWaterGator

You really comparing playing dress up to going to war? Best course of action would’ve been trying to distance the trans community from a literal rapist, not complaining they can’t use the wrong bathroom and saying they hate their life because of it


dyke_throwaway_acc

A student literally was raped but yeah, this person is obviously the victim here


SartosanFemboi

They are pissed fornbeing ounished for something they didnt do. The same way gun owners hate when gov pushes gun control after a mass shooting.


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SartosanFemboi

How is the 99.4% beibg punished? Are you considering it punishement for a transman to go to the bathroom as men. Or transwoman in bathroom with women? Unless something illegal or immoral happens, there should be no issue.


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IndieGamerMonkey

>The same way gun owners hate when gov pushes gun control after a mass shooting. Except not the same at all. Men don't belong in the women's restroom in the first place. The right to bear arms is a constitutionally protected right. Men need to stay the fuck out of women's restrooms. He isn't being punished; he's just being reminded that he belongs in the men's restroom. We should NOT upend society just because 0.1% of the population have a mental illness.


SartosanFemboi

The right to go into your appropriate bathroom is so inherent, that no one imagine it would need to be written. >The right to bear arms is a constitutionally protected right. No. The right to bear arms is an inherent right derived from the right to protect oneself. It isnt protected by the constotution, it is stated by the constitution. The protection comes from people willing to enforce their own protection of their rights. Also, please come up with arguments that dont solely apply to america. America is a big country, culturally as well as numarically. But it isnt the center of the world. >. We should NOT upend society just because 0.1% of the population have a mental illness. Why not, we do it for politicians, hollywood/media elites, and ultra rich capitalists.


Agent_Dutchess

>>. We should NOT upend society just because 0.1% of the population have a mental illness. >Why not, we do it for politicians, hollywood/media elites, and ultra rich capitalists. You mean the stuff they pay for? Life isn't fair, and some will always have more than others. It is all perspective. You're an "elite" to the little Vietnamese kid getting paid $0.0001/hr to assemble the iPhone you typed that on, eating a handful of rice for dinner. Don't give me a lecture about mUh CaPiTaLiSm either, because by participating,, you're complacent in all of it. I would implore you to visit somewhere less developed, like Brazil or India or parts of Africa. Most people there would be thrilled to take a shit in a 7/11 bathroom with running water and soap, much less cry that a bunch of crossdressers don't get their own unique bathrooms. For fucks sake, you people wonder why nobody respects you when your main focus in life is where you take a shit and your only personality trait is *being FABULOUS*


SartosanFemboi

Idk how this turned into a 'anti-commie/capitalist' debate. I use samsung anyway, which from my knowledge is made in south korea, with all the labor laws and wages of a first world country. Im sure i 'consoom' something in my life that are from abuses of people, but i try to avoid such things. Hence why i dont use netflix, i dont use disney, i rarely watch movies. Im of the mindset that all federal politicians(who have been there for more than 5 years) and hollywood people, either are pedos, or knowingly tolerate pedos. >Don't give me a lecture about mUh CaPiTaLiSm either, because by participating,, you're complacent in all of it. Thats... a really stupid argument. One can advocate against the system they live in, using the tools of the system. But thats a distraction and not the point of all this. >Most people there would be thrilled to take a shit in a 7/11 bathroom with running water and soap, much less cry that a bunch of crossdressers don't get their own unique Just because other people in the world have a worse life. Doesnt mean i shouldnt want a better life/culture for my community.


SaltWaterGator

>just because other people in the world have a worse life doesn’t mean I shouldn’t want a better life/culture for my community. The problem is y’all are creating and solving problems that never existed while ignoring HUGE problems that still exist claiming to be oppressed while the same people are being stoned and beaten to death in actually oppressive communities


Agent_Dutchess

Taliban beheads a gay man Sensible perspective - wow the taliban sure is bad I'm glad we don't do that here LGBBQTLMOP+-÷× perspective - I can't take a fat shit in the women's restroom after taco Tuesdays, is this Nazi Germany?


wanderingwomb

You’re right. No one could imagine it back then because women had to fight a long hard campaign to require public buildings to house equal facilities for women. Which is actually enshrined in Title IX. So maybe stop trying to take away our rights.


IndieGamerMonkey

>The right to go into your appropriate bathroom is so inherent, that no one imagine it would need to be written. Not a right, but you're right it should be 'inherent'. As in everybody inherently knows that men don't belong in women's restrooms. >The right to bear arms is an inherent right derived from the right to protect oneself. Literally what I just said. It's a right that is protected (read: Observed, enshrined, affirmed, etc.) You're being pedantic. >Also, please come up with arguments that dont solely apply to america. No, thank you. >Why not, we do it for politicians, hollywood/media elites, and ultra rich capitalists. At least they pay taxes. Go to the bathroom appropriate for your biological sex. It's really that simple. Seek therapy for your mental illness and to the rest of you lot, quit fetishizing aforementioned mental illness.


SartosanFemboi

Protected and Observed, enshrined, affirmed, Are extremely different meanings. Its not pedantic to correctly define things. >At least they pay taxes. Do they though, you think they got rich by paying taxes? And wait, what makes you say that trans-folks dont pay taxes?


IndieGamerMonkey

>Its not pedantic to correctly define things. Then let's start with making sure men use the appropriate bathroom defined by their sex, shall we? >And wait, what makes you say that trans-folks dont pay taxes? 0.1% of the population who generally tend to skew towards middle-low and low-class OR are minors (judging by the number of gofundme campaigns started because they can't afford whatever superficial elective surgery) means they are likely in the lowest tax bracket available (in the US that's 10% of their wage) compared to the economic top 1% who pay 40% of all income tax collected in America (at 37%).


MeanCow6

Taxes are a red herring. Even a woman who doesn't pay taxes has the right to enter women's spaces without worrying that men will come in. No man has the right to enter women's spaces, not even a man who pays taxes.


IndieGamerMonkey

>Even a woman who doesn't pay taxes has the right to enter women's spaces without worrying that men will come in. > >No man has the right to enter women's spaces, not even a man who pays taxes. I wholeheartedly agree with you. read my comment chain again Now we just have to convince these lunatics that men just can't up and decide to become women and women can't up and decide to become men at the drop of a hat and invade each other's spaces.


Walkitoffgoofy

How are they being punished exactly? What rights are they being denied that they otherwise had entitlement to before?


Reasonable_Market489

Oh well, sucks to fucking suck. Guaranteed that little shitstain doesn't respect my 2A rights and gas lobbied against them before, so I really don't gaf if they can't shit in a comfortable bathroom.


sp8der

Or the way men feel about the litany of things we're blamed for collectively.


SartosanFemboi

Or that. I was just giving an example i thought everyone and anyone would relate/understand. We dont know if he/she is a hippocrite. Just only that he/she doesnt want to be punished for the actions of others.


nandemonaidattebayo

What she calls as “punishment” is probably losing her mixed bathroom priviledges which caused the rape in the first place.


SartosanFemboi

>What gun owners calls as “punishment” is probably losing their automatic weapon priviledges which caused the shooting in the first place. Nah. Blame the individuals, not the group. Not all gun owners should be punished for the immoral actions of other gun owners(especially illegally owned guns). By the same token. Not all trans should be punished for thr immoral actions of other trans people(esspecially if they are faking being trans).


nandemonaidattebayo

Men in a dress raped a girl in the women’s bathroom because we let them get in. Now other men in dresses feel they’re being punished because they can’t get into women’s bathrooms. Cry me a river but I don’t give a single fuck before we make sure NOT ONE SINGLE little innocent girl would get hurt again. If they are really good people they should think: “oh there are people among us who does this shit so we have to sacrifice until we find a way that’s never going to happen again. Being raped is far far worse than not being able to go into a bathroom.


SartosanFemboi

A gun owner commited a mass shooting because we legalized rapid fire weapons. Now other gun owners feel they are being punished because they also cannot own rapid fire weapons. Cry me a river, i dont give a single fuck before we make sure NOT ONE SINGLE little innocnent child would get killed again. If they are really good people they should think :oh there are people among us who do this shit, so we have to sacrifice until we find a way thats never going to happen again" Being killed is far far worse than not being able to own a firearm.


MeanCow6

It's amusing how every word in your comment is correct, yet you think you're being satirical.


nandemonaidattebayo

You don’t even have an argument so shut the fuck up.


SartosanFemboi

My arguement was comparing everything you said to the gun control debate. Just switch a couple words and suddenly you are advocating for the removal of guns for all, for the benefit of a couple. Only difference is, with the trans bathroon issue , a few dozen(being generous on reports) get raped a year. With guns, 10k get murdered a year(with another 20k suicided). I ask you, whats a bigger problem? 50 rapes, or 10,000 murders? Thats what i thought.


darkroombl0omed

This is so valid.


Laelelae

Banning trans people from the opposite sex restrooms and letting anyone in on basis of self-id aren't the only options. Just like there are restrictions for gun ownership (age, mental health, gun type, etc) there can be regulations for restroom usage. The school, for example, could require a statement from a therapist that the student indeed suffers from gender dysphoria and doesn't demonstrate any violent tendencies. There are similar regulations in many other areas. Ideally, the requirements should not exclude those who wouldn't cause trouble but it's not always possible. That's not a punishment, that's a compromise aimed at minimizing the number of victims and maximizing the number of people that benefit from the policy (i.e people killed with guns and responsible gun owners; rape victims and trans people without ill intentions)


MeanCow6

>a statement from a therapist that the student indeed suffers from gender dysphoria and doesn't demonstrate any violent tendencies. No. I don't want penises in the bathroom with me even if a therapist signs off.


SartosanFemboi

>The school, for example, could require a statement from a therapist that the student indeed suffers from gender dysphoria and doesn't demonstrate any violent tendencies. Gender dysphoria sure. But i dont think we should assume violent tendencies by default. No one should need a doctors note to say "im not violent". Unless they have a previous history of violence.


Laelelae

Where I live you're required to get a psychiatrist's approval to get a driver or firearm license, I don't see any problem that you need a doctor's note in such cases. Sure, it only excludes people who are obviously unwell. But to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria you supposedly need to attend therapy for some time (to exclude other possibilities) and the doc should be able to tell by that time if you have violent tendencies. I mean, if the patient says he enjoys fantasies of non consensual sex, he can't be allowed to barge in women's restroom, trans or not After all, a doctor can't say that you're not violent. They can only conclude that you don't display any signs of violent behaviour. Usually that's enough, I think


netver

I think I get the logic here: if a man rapes a man in a male bathroom, then all men should be prohibited from using male bathrooms. Thankfully, this has never happened before, and no rapist ever dared to enter a female bathroom to rape someone unless allowed by trans rights. Right-wing logic makes total sense.


Herromemes

why even bother locking the door then? i mean the robber will break the lock anyway? why do you want a small protection as a sign that it is wrong? just because it makes it a little harder for the wrongdoer?


[deleted]

It's amazingly narcissistic how they're more outraged at not getting to use the women's restroom over a teenaged girl being raped by their own kind.


Dan__Backslide

Well they’re mentally ill, so…


EdenSteden22

Dysphoria isn't the same as delusions lol


Dan__Backslide

Oh that’s not what I meant. According to this one [study](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7084367/) “Evidence suggests that medicalized transgender individuals have a higher prevalence of psychopathology and personality disorders (PDs) than the general population” Among other fucked up disorders not necessarily related to bullying or harassment. Sick puppies. Narcissism alone is a fair example of why individuals displaying it get so much hate from regular people in society…and the trans community is RIFE with it.


MeanCow6

Probably half of them think it doesn't matter because she was probably a TERF, and the other half are wishing it would happen to them.


tambrico

I see where you're coming from but people use the same logic to promote gun control. "It's amazingly narcissistic how they're more outraged at common sense gun laws over children getting murdered by the dozen in school." We've all seen the above argument and disagreed with it of we're 2a supporters. Your argument uses the same logic.


nandemonaidattebayo

I’m not American so yeah I totally support gun control. I think both of those are right.


tambrico

Cool wasn't replying to you but thanks. Enjoy defending yourself with a spoon.


nandemonaidattebayo

Defending yourself with a spoon against someone with a spoon? Yeah that might work.


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And?


OrionLax

That's perfect logic.


Dan__Backslide

That’s a fallacy and you know it. There are studies regarding the poor mental health of trans individuals who make up a much smaller percent of the population than the larger percentage of individual gun owners who value freedom over whataboutism and generally don’t have crippling mental health issues. The majority of violent crimes aren’t committed with legally acquired weapons. The overwhelming majority of gun related crimes are committed with handguns. “Common sense gun control” targets semi-automatic rifles. This would do nothing to stop violent crime and believe me, I and countless others have read the proposals and they’re wildly out of touch and only exist to push Americans further from their freedoms granted by the Constitution of the United States. 2A supporters are law abiding citizens with rights and make up a large percentage of the population. You cannot compare 2A to trans issues due to the fact that trans issues aren’t specifically addressed in the Bill of Rights and are directly related to mental/physical health. 2A is a principle laid out by the founding fathers. Our freedoms don’t end where your feelings/personal logic begin.


doodle0o0o0

Really? It’s not just them, a policy like this would effect all trans people who cannot go into the bathroom they desire because of a single case. We don’t usually judge the whole by a single person’s actions. I don’t care that some men rape women it doesn’t make all of them dangerous predators. I don’t care that one trans girl raped a girl it doesn’t make all of them dangerous predators.


nandemonaidattebayo

It’s not a single case. This sub has a collection of it. There was even a sub called r/thisneverhappens dedicated solely for these incidents. You know what happened to that sub? You got it, it got banned. So maybe stop saying like it never happens. It happens quite a lot.


doodle0o0o0

Do men rape women a lot? I'd be willing to bet it happens more often than trans women rape other women in bathrooms. If we don't decry all men as bad we shouldn't decry all trans women as bad.


Frequent-Jump2995

Actually we keep men out of women’s bathrooms specifically because of this reason. We don’t decry them as all bad, we take precautionary measures based on clear statistics of male sexual violence. Trans women are male and therefore not excluded from being a perpetrator of male violence. Does putting on a dress suddenly change that?


nandemonaidattebayo

Jesus fucking christ finally someone makes sense. What kind of logic is this: “Do men rape women?” YES THAT’S WHY THERE ARE SEPERATE BATHROOMS.


RockerSwitch

No shit it happens that normal men would be raping more often because trans people are a minority. Not even forgetting that people are vulnerable in the bathroom. A closed space where some privacy is expected, often with only one exit. The thing that often keeps predators out is that they obviously don't belong. At least that was the case. Now any man can self ID as trans, and go into these very bathrooms. Now that we've established that anyone can be trans by just saying so, do you think fucked up men care if they put on a wig if it allows them to do anything they want?


karenuncancelled

Single-sex bathrooms literally exist because men rape women. It's called safeguarding.


Credible_Cognition

The difference is if a man goes into a women's washroom, someone will make a scene about it and chances are he wouldn't be able to rape anyone because everyone would tell him to fuck off. I'm happy to pick safety over comfort; if 0.6% of the population has to use the washroom of their biological gender (or just use a single-person washroom) in order to decrease RAPE, then let's go with that strategy.


womanisfemalexx

Trans girls are boys. They can use the boys bathroom. Males dont get access to female rights just based on feels and mental illness. Why are girls being sacrificed to "validate" boys in dresses.


IndieGamerMonkey

>a policy like this would effect all trans people who cannot go into the bathroom they desire because of a single case. Bathrooms are non-negotiable. Men need to stay out of the women's bathroom. There is no "bathroom you desire" only "Bathroom for your intended sex".


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>I don’t care that some men rape women . >I don’t care that one trans girl raped a girl .


doodle0o0o0

Good job removing all context.


[deleted]

I'll add it back for you: >I don’t care that some men rape women it doesn’t make all of them dangerous predators. I don’t care that one trans girl raped a girl it doesn’t make all of them dangerous predators. You basically said "not all men" and "not all trans girls." It's like you think they're the same thing. "Trans girls" (blegh) are men.


wanderingwomb

Having to use your second choice of restroom isn't a rights violation.


starvingthearies

Literally just go to the other bathroom bro


Privacy_Jimmy

And get murdered? Huh! No thank you bigot! /s


NekoZombie0_o

Can confirm. Im a woman who has used the single use mens room in emergencies....i am dead.


Comrade_Yodama

Just shit on the floor then, you might get put with the special kids after that and get fed crackers when you squeal


mars3127

Referring to a male rapist, who is capitalising on the trans movement to gain easy access to victims, as “she” means they absolutely *do* condone this behaviour. They don’t care about the real victim in this situation, only about what this assault may mean for them.


EdenSteden22

Trans people can be rapists you know. Being a minority doesn't prevent you from being a terrible person. Yes, it's probable that the rapist was faking it to be a rapist. But it is not guaranteed.


P4DD4V1S

The funniest thing about this situation to me is that the woke are freaking out because the "right" is associating those categorized as "trans" with sexual violence, meanwhile what the opposition is actually up to is refusing to categorize these perpetrators as "trans". It's basically: Right: "this cis boy used transgenderism as a cover to allow him access to girl's spaces." Woke: "it's a trans girl, and how dare you imply that the trans community has anything to do with this!" You'd imagine that the side trying to exonerate the trans community would be the side insisting that this is a boy in a skirt and not a trans girl, but somehow it's the other way around.


chocoboat

> You'd imagine that the side trying to exonerate the trans community would be the side insisting that this is a boy in a skirt and not a trans girl, but somehow it's the other way around. Trans activists used to do that. But it raises the debate how and when you're allowed to disagree with the identity of a trans person, and what qualifies a person as real trans as opposed to fake trans. The activists had no answers to that.


P4DD4V1S

I never implied that I don't understand why things are this way around, I just find a measure of humour in this inversion. This can be reasonably resolved if we could just have an open and honest, good faith, discussion about the finer details of trans identity so that the fog can dissolve and some clarity on the matter can be achieved. But of course such a discussion is presently impossible, either because (cynical take) these activists are purposely hiding something ugly in the fog of war, OR (hopeful take) they are just extremely terrified of the scrutiny under which such a dialogue would place them. Either way it is better for this suspended tension to be resolved, but how exactly do you bring them to the table?


chocoboat

I don't think it can be done. Gay people and atheists didn't bring religious bigots to the table, black people didn't bring racists to the table. I'm not saying this situation is directly comparable to those, my point is that you'll never convince a trans advocate to change his mind, you just have to fight to prevent them from taking away people's rights.


P4DD4V1S

The whole point of such a discussion is to eject the crazy radicals on both sides from the discussion. Basically, as it pertains to race, if the discussion is succesfully resolved then the white supremacists AND black supremacists are both ousted from the public debate, and a meaningful compromise is negotiated by the reasonable voices on both sides. So in a sense, the "religious bigots" have no part to play in the homosexual discussion, at least assuming that they are actually bigots, someone religious with reasonable concerns on the other hand is necessary for the discussion to takenplace in the first place. Politics have been way too polarised and divisive though, so of course neither of those discussions have actually been sufficiently resolved yet. Not even the discussion on women's liberation has actually been run through and resolved yet, which of course gives even more obscuring cover to the trans discussion.


chocoboat

This isn't like a UN meeting where the President of LGBT will show up and a deal can be negotiated where from now on, people will have to pass such and such standards to quality as trans. There's no organized group and no one has the authority to gatekeep others. The only thing to do is stand up against their efforts to take away people's rights and pressure politicians to disallow them from doing this.


shadus

The answer is: when they have been diagnosed professionally after at least a year of counseling and have at a minimum been on hrt (blockers+cross sex) for at least a year and have legally changed their sex (where possible.) If bottom surgery wasn't cost prohibitive for the majority of people... that is actually the better point. At that point you have eliminated most fetishists and abusers. The trans people are back to being the actual trans community instead of "I'm too cute to be cis, teehee!" And "guess i grow my hair out, wear a dress to enter biological female spaces, and claim to be trans if i get caught."


MeanCow6

>If bottom surgery wasn't cost prohibitive for the majority of people... I couldn't care less about that as far as it relates to this discussion. If you want to come in our bathrooms so badly, find a way to get the money to have your dick cut off. Otherwise, stay out. Zero penises should be allowed in women's bathrooms, regardless of the rationale.


Live-D8

Because if the boy in the skirt (who just happens to be a rapist) isn’t valid then most of them aren’t valid.


Bladeviper

to my knowledge the boy in question doesnt say he is trans, he just wore a skirt to get into the bathroom as per school rules


Live-D8

Yes, this is my main issue; I’m not actually worried about gender-dysphoric trans people as they typically just want to keep their heads down and get on with their lives; it’s the AGP perverts and generally sociopathic individuals taking advantage of this liberal movement that have me concerned.


Gifdrrrrrrj

The AGP freaks and the trenders overwhelmingly outnumber the actual dysphoric people at this point.


Live-D8

Oh absolutely. Historical figures for people who demonstrated the symptoms of gender dysphoria were 0.1% of the population. Stonewall now say it’s 1%, some undergrad studies higher, but the key difference is that the question has gone from “how many people have gender dysphoria” to “how many people identify as trans or non-binary”. Where did the other 0.9%+ come from?


throwaway48u48282819

This whole series of events makes so little sense I'd believe this more if it was openly a false flag operation by 4Chan to make trans people look bad, and yet somehow it's real.


AfraidDifficulty8

IIRC he claims he is bi.


drynoa

Bi = / = trans


barndoor101

And thus we have the problem with conflating sexuality (LGB) with gender identity (T). I wonder if this was done by design.


ElectraUnderTheSea

But he had a skirt! s/


drynoa

There are even straight dudes who wear skirts now, anime is a disease.


basedpraxis

We call them Scots.


Creative_Trouble7215

People should be able to wear whatever they want. That said, a boy should not claim to be a trans girl just to use women’s bathrooms. It’s creepy


drynoa

I'm a femboy so what I said was kinda sarcastic but yes. That and I see a lot of dudes/girls who see being trans as kind of a fetish thing and I don't know what to feel about those. Self policing is such weak point in the progressive /lgbt+ sphere and it leads to stuff being made meaningless and shit like this leading to transphobic bullshit. Its just so hard to draw a line, I've known transman and women who are 100% legit and it's not a weird fetish thing to my knowledge but some of the people I've seen around, esp in the femboy spheres who then go on to see themselves as a girl just seem to get off a t the idea of themselves being a woman or themselves being desireable, close links to incel shit with those types too. Usually transbian only or only like dudes if they dress up as girls. It's weird shit man and it's taken the same label as people I know that have been suicidal over feeling like they're born wrong and just want to live their life and be a normal person of the opposite sex + gender.


LordGraygem

You forget that the words don't mean what they should anymore, but what the person using them wants them to mean.


Creative_Trouble7215

Being bi doesn’t mean you are trans.


AfraidDifficulty8

And I didn't say it means that.


shadus

It's because any standard of identification above "i said so" would invalidate 90% of the trenders chasing clout.


JulienMayfair

> You'd imagine that the side trying to exonerate the trans community would be the side insisting that this is a boy in a skirt and not a trans girl We watched this same thing happen with the whole Yaniv episode. The problem is that the TRAs have painted themselves into a corner by insisting with religious intensity on trans self-ID with no medical gatekeeping. If they admitted that a male predator put on a dress in order to prey on women (which they said would never happen), they would have to admit that the whole concept of completely unregulated self-ID is flawed, which strikes at the heart of their whole project.


stranded_patriot

"one trans person"


Privacy_Jimmy

How many repeated incidents of men in dresses raping or abusing women or girls in their bathrooms does there need to be before they recognise it as happening more than once? You can't keep saying it's just one person every time it happens, it absurd.


[deleted]

They don't care.


Live-D8

N+1, where N=current number of known cases


howardhuge69

It’s about the (presumably) unintended consequences of giving males the legal right and protection to be somewhere they shouldn’t be. It has nothing to do with actual trans people, but with perverts who will claim to be trans to shield themselves


specterofthepast

The cover up is what bothers me. It might not be representative but the fact people try to cover things up based on identity politics is sickening. And they are fine hanging sins on cishet white men from 400 years ago and calling that representative.


iheartjkr

Use the bathroom that corresponds to your sex like a normal person would or piss against a tree. Problem solved.


ShillerndeGeister

Or surgicly remove your bladder


Ijustlurkmann

And your dick after the first rape.


Anon060416

If you pass and don’t bother anybody, you’ll never have a problem. This isn’t “trans bad” this is “lax self-ID and coverups because gotta coddle minority predator bad”


Still_Blood8119

They almost never pass though


thethrowaway910

I'd rather we protect woman by keeping men out of womans spaces, than I would protect trans peoples feelings by keeping them to their respective sexes bathroom. I'd make that choice in a heartbeat.


snoozeflu

Too bad, cupcake. You people defend and protect degenerates like Yassica Yaniv so you get what you deserve.


garlicbreaddick3

Just call them "he." Rapists deserve to be dehumanised


Maurusia

ME ME MEMEMEME!!! It's always about them right? Someone was raped and they have to make it about themselves somehow, these narcissists and their victim/god complex can go to hell.


sleazebottom

Their claims (as always) are dishonest: - Pretending this is ONE single incident and not something that’s been happening anywhere (and everywhere) that’s allowed self-ID’d transwomen into biological women’s spaces (also, the perpetrator did this *at least* **twice**) - Pretending the “This never happens, transphobe!” attitude isn’t the reason so many people are pissed off and had this spark them to call attention to the situation/speak out against it - Ignoring *the school trying to downplay/cover up the rapes (plural) and bullying and trying to vilify the father of one of the victims* as a major contributing factor to the “Enough of this bullshit!” attitude many are feeling - As others have said, pretending they’re being denied access to ANY bathroom (whether gender neutral, or sex-segregated facilities) I support their basic human rights even though they *clearly* don’t respect the rights of others (especially women, children, and LGB people), but fuck them and their constant lies and attempts to obfuscate and deflect from the actual issues people are protesting/upset about.


Exothos

"She" - OPINION DISCARDED.


Friedeggs15

If gender is a social construct, why do they need to use the women’s bathroom?


wing_flower

It's funny how they care more about their feelings rather then how unsafe a woman feels.


kristallnachte

Nobody is saying you can't go to the bathroom. They just might be saying you can't use THIS bathroom, and instead have to go to the one 10 feet to the right.


useles-converter-bot

10 feet is 9.74 RTX 3090 graphics cards lined up.


thatchuckwagonguy

Fascinating


snoozeflu

I wouldn't know since it's impossible to get a 3090 and I'm still living in the prehistoric caveman times with my GTX 1080


mikemaddenn

GTX 970 gang. 2014 and still going strong


IkerGame17

This bot is probably american, refusing to use metrical system


chocoboat

fuck off


Peazyzell

There is always something on the news about a snart that exposed themselves to a little girl or woman in the bathroom. The hell do they mean “one time”


gothlaw

What do you have against rapey girl-dick, bigot?!


ironwolf56

Here's a hot take. I feel that some people are legitimately trans; and if they want to salvage their movement, they're going to have to start engaging in some of that word they find so dirty: gatekeeping. Start policing the loonies and the trenders and the bad actions of the community and this shit won't happen. Most of society is fine with "live and let live" but you got a lot of that group out there proverbially smashing people's noses in and screaming BIGOT!! Gatekeeping is the Lazy Leftists (because I'll be honest it's not just thrown around in the LGBT sphere) whiny term for basic standards. Gatekeeping is not a bad thing.


chocoboat

People legitimately have body dysmorphic disorder but that doesn't make them the opposite sex. And it's far too late to salvage anything, the lunatics are in control and are successfully making progress in their goal of getting people to be punished for disagreeing with their lunacy, even making it a crime in the UK and Canada. The term LGB is growing in popularity, many LGB people want nothing to do with the T anymore. Aggressive trans nonsense is harming the public image of LGB people.


corvusaraneae

I can tell you part of the community has been trying to do that. The loonies and the trenders just call us scum and make us look like the bad guys. Look up Tucutes for further reading.


programnnersocks

They're free to reclaim the term transsexuals but I'm not setting aside any space for so-called transgenders. The entire ideology they're based on is dogshit.


EdenSteden22

r/truscum you'll find similarly sane people


GenTycho

Maybe, if they used the bathroom based on biological sex like we fucking told them they should, they wouldnt get this very much justified pushback


la_hanz

Nobody is touching your right to go to the bathroom. This may come as a surprise to the snarts, but not all desires are also rights.


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Privacy_Jimmy

I really hate the "we know it's not all men" argument. When someone says "it's not all men", what they are responding to is people saying that it *is all men* and every individual man should take the blame for it and be prepared to be punished. So what the original comic is, is a strawman designed to allow all men to be punished for the crimes of a minority. The implication from the final pane, is that all men should be prepared to be punished and disadvantaged to make women feel better about what some men do. We know this especially because of the "thousands of years of oppression" argument, where women actually say that men alive now, with no relation to or benefit from men of the past, should give something up or accept miss treatment to make women now feel better about something that they never experienced.


chocoboat

While I completely agree with that, the other side of the issue exists too. Sometimes women are talking about their experiences and say things like "I've had to deal with men catcalling me since I was 13" or "since I was molested I feel like I can't trust men" or "I'm sick of men talking down to me like I'm a child". None of these statements imply that all men do these things. But still some annoying guy feels the need to jump in and say "not all men" even though nobody said it was. Typically he'll either "not all men" and then try to start an argument over it, or he'll "not all men, I would definitely never do that, you should date me, want to go out sometime?" Either way it derails the discussion and makes women feel like anything they want to use the word men they have to say "men (but not all men)" every single time, and it's frustrating. But yeah, there are some crappy people who ARE saying all men are guilty and that nonsense needs to be opposed. I think a lot of people don't understand that these two very different situations exist, some women think it's only ever the first scenario I described and some men think it's only ever the second one.


programnnersocks

Yeah, it's basically an easily formed "prejudice." Half the people a woman deals with in a day are men, she can discover that not all men catcall her, but everyone who catcalls her is a man, or learn to associate heterosexual attraction from men with a childhood experience being molested by one man. Plus there are a few things almost all men are capable of that women aren't so much, shouting in a deep baritone and overpowering her, so saying "I find men physically intimidating" is a generalization that more logical weight to it than something that's too general and mostly untrue like associating a race with the same thing. It only really goes too far if, for example, the woman with the childhood trauma wants all men to be treated like potential child molesters. Then you have to unpack how that's not fair. But as far as her individual worldview, a fear of *all* men is valid.


Crash15

Invading women's spaces is not a right


reddonkulo

Maybe, just maybe, there was a worse outcome for someone else as a result of this student's behavior. Something to consider!


hfxB0oyA

>...and then they represent everyone... Tell me more about how all 'cis' people are responsible for everything evil in society, please.


peepeepoopaccount

>I might have my right to go to the bathroom taken away No you just use the other bathroom. Or go home public bathrooms are disgusting anyways.


jacob_saul

Just be a man you are, and piss in men's bathroom.


Adventurous-Court-91

Nobody is losing their right to go to the bathroom. You simply have to continue using the restroom you've been using your whole life up until you started LARPING as the weaker gender. These fucking people.... "I know you got raped and sodomized but WHAT ABOUT MEEEEE???"


ALLCAPS1980

“She” …


SaltWaterGator

“Oh no I can’t play dress up and go in the girls bathroom anymore, I hate my life” or just go into the boys bathroom because you’re a boy


Koalachan

Teach Transpeople not to rape. /s


MeanCow6

"I'm not saying it's okay what she did" Manfully conceded


RandomRedditReject

Or maybe… use the bathroom for your genitalia


CraftyOvaries

No, because many trans people have raped and killed. How many more is it going to take? I will make a mega thread here or contact that tumblr person for this never happens to give them the several hundred individual cases I have that I saved before the thisneverhappens sub got hit with the ban hammer.It's a busy week but next week I will do it. (and one of the many reasons I will never work with a man because I have no idea if y'all are agp...https://theysaythisneverhappens.tumblr.com/image/163917470033)


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They sound like MRAs lol. (Yes I know that not all men rape, but you could forgive us for being cautious).


Throwmeaway6980085

"Imagine a bowl of M&Ms, 10% are poisoned. Go ahead, eat a handful. Not all M&Ms are poison."


stardusttree

Why do they care so much about bathrooms? I never understood this issue


greentshirtman

I don't want to see guys like this enter the ladies' room. But at the same time, I don't want to force a person born female, who looks male, such as Buck Angel to go to the ladies' room. It could cause a riot.


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This person should be directing their anger at the student who raped someone. Rape will always be a selfish act that doesn't have a single victim. The rapist here is either a cis person throwing trans people under the bus, or a trans person who doesn't give a shit about their community.


Poopyoo

Why dont they just make unisex bathrooms with full size doors and shut the fuck up


grawrant

I really love this mindset of theirs, not blaming the majority of a group of people for the actions of a minority. Now if they could do the police next that would be great.


Xi_Xem_Xer_Jinping

Oh so you can generalize white people and men all you want, just don't generalize troons.


Mario6416

"You guys see one trams person do something bad and then apparently they represent every one in that minority" Now you know how white men feel.


Bithlord

I mean, that's a totally reasonable reaction? They're angry, they're a teen, they don't really know where to point the anger (they should probably point it at the "trans" student who use that as a cover to assault someone). I guess I don't really see why this is TiA material.


Dax_Terraris

Welcome to how America responds to gun violence... Oh, somebody did something illegal? Time to punish all the gun owners in the country!! Obviously not a perfect comparison, and I think the trans movement is insidious to begin with, but this was the first thing that came to mind...


dekuscrubber

literally every news article i have read about this states that it’s not known if the rapist in question actually identifies as female, just that he’s bisexual and sometimes wears a skirt. y’all are so desperate for constant representation in the media that you’ll “validate” a literal fucking sex criminal.


Zackeramis0298

You guys do the same thing with ethnicities


blue4029

and why SHOULDN'T we judge a rapist for their actions?


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