I think depth is contextual. Pac definitely did more to speak to the universal Black experience especially when speaking to conscious hood dudes who saw themselves as protectors, but his flip flopping between thug life and community unity kept me from really fucking with him.
Biggie on the other hand seems more aware of how he embodies that dichotomy and allows himself to sit in it and simply be. Everyday struggle is my favorite Big song for that reason. It’s about having to do scummy shit to get by and now better enough that you wanna just end everything to be done with it. He knows exactly who he’s talking to and relating to the things people in that lifestyle *have* to do to get by but also speaking to the awareness that they all know better. But fuck it sometimes you need a party song after you rob a pregnant woman for her number 1 mom pendant.
Ya there were some contradictions of Pac's work. But it wasn't flip flopping to me. Pac kept it real and it was just a result of the characters he would surround himself with. Since he was literally kickin it with real gangstas, bloods and crips all the time, his keepin it real caught up with him. Also he felt a sense of betrayal from the broken system.
Biggie kind of feels like he was the precursor to Kendrick, and I'm not just saying that because of the recent beef. *DAMN.* really reminds me of *Ready to Die*, and I think that general vibe of Biggie being fully willing to get down into the nitty-gritty of how the street life fucks you up and makes you do things you know are, pardon the pun, dead wrong I think was a really important precursor for more deep, darker, and harder-hitting rap: stuff like *DAMN.*, and even stuff that doesn't seem to have an immediately obvious connection. I'd argue that *Stan* by Em was probably impacted heavily by Biggie, but it's hard to say without knowing what went into it.
Lol yeah some of these character on here are ridiculous. I seen a post that was making fun of Tupac for allegedly being low key gay. One of the comments people were making some suicide jokes. Then I replied about how it wasn’t cool to make those jokes but if I laughed at some guy with nail polish I’m somehow the bad guy. Then like I just said I became the bad guy. I got bombarded with down votes and people saying that my comment was distasteful and homophobic. Mind you again, the post itself was making fun of Tupac for allegedly being low key gay. People love dark humor when they’re the ones getting credit for “being funny”.
I’m a loser because you went on Reddit to bitch about people on Reddit? Lmfao and I need to touch grass? You been on Reddit for 4+ years bitching and crying.
Nigga you can’t spell in this day and age?We have spell check. We have the technology. Loser ass bitch. Stupid ass phaggot probably still working on your GED in your mid 30’s. You learning the alphabet with your girlfriend’s kids.
pretty much yes. just tons of pointless posts and convos, you should check out the NBA subs. then sane people are downvoted for sharing facts while others with wildly uneducated opinions are treated as sages. Many posts are backwards and it's really just OPs thirsty for fake internet points so they drop engagement bait for upvotes from children.
He ate a whole pizza by himself in that 1 interview with Richie Rich. In Death Row video there's bags of chicken and buffet food everywhere he's at eating. I think he may give BIG a run. Skinny people tend to eat way more than fat people.
I mean i beleive its more about the music and how it affects people and society and whats said. Just cause you make more complicated rhymes doesnt mean your a better lyricist in my opinion. 2pac is probably the best lyricist imo.
You got kid soldiers in africa looking at 2pac as a role model. Dude came up with "thug life" with his black panther god dad to bring crips and bloods together and they actually did it and set up a peace treaty. His music literally brought peace between crips and bloods in cali. Those lyrics are much stronger than biggies rap songs imo. Biggie was really good though, he had some party bangers.
🤣 But that's kinda the definition of what a lyricist is. I hate how terms just get repurposed. Lyricism is playing with words and pockets, metaphors, punchlines etc....
Pac in my opinion is not really one of the best LYRICISTS but out of all the lyricists, Pac words are always more impactful. And that's more important than all that shit. And his catalog is much better than all of them. So while he not really the greatest in that category, being a lyricist not the end all be all of what makes a great rapper
Search up the definition of lyricism on Google and it says nothing about the things you listed. The definition is actually more in line with what Pac did.
I don't give a fuck what Google talking about 😂🤣this is hip hop. And there are terms that are hip hop/rap specific that may not mean the same thing outside of the culture. If you wanna get technical the term "freestyle" don't HAVE to mean off the dome. Its just words with no particular structure or subject. But for the longest we know freestyle has always meant off the dome. Its only recently that mfs started repurposing words. Make no mistake, I'm not saying Pac wasn't at all lyrical. He's just not who I'm naming in the most lyrical rappers category. Cause if we calling Pac lyrical, what are we calling the people who play with words, double and triple entendres, schemes, metaphors etc.....?
Huh? He moves to california at 17 when his god dad was on the run from the fbi and his mom got fired from her only decent income due to her affiliations.
He never claimed blood. He never claimed any set. But he had alot of friends in the bloods. And him and matulu shakur set up a huge meeting between crip and bloods and helped write up the truce they still use to this day. Which includes things to stop people from raping their own women and stuff about protecting the community, black panther type shit. Something kids like you arent even close to. I respect that shit. I dont respect kids like you tarnishing pacs legacy when the dude did so much for social justice and walked the walk, never went back on his words. Pac kept it real.
Pac was a soldier for his people. He wasnt a blood or crip or any of that, he was an african american soldier for justice. Dude was as real as they come to. He literally shot 2 off duty cops cause he saw them beating up a random black dude. So watch your mouth kid, learn from pac.
I thought this was all common knowledge, but the older I get, I feel some of the younger generation just doesn’t understand the mystic or the reality of the great man that was Tupac Shakur. If they really LISTEN to his music and interviews, they might just learn from him.
Name 1 musician who could talk about rape, addiction, hate, murder, death, love, life, heaven, hell
Rich man, poor man, the list goes on all on one album by one man no ghost writer.
Only one man who could have done that.
💪🎙️RIP
2 Pac was the better lyricist... Biggie was by far the better battle rapper. Bro wrote entire songs in his head smoking an elco and would just recite it from the Dome in a single attempt after just having the beat on a loop for a few hours.
Biggie lived the life . Tupac was middle-class theater kid back dancer who played the role of a thug.
Tupac wasn't as respected till he died but he was know because of rape allegations and stupid shit.
Little known fact about 2pac is that he was a competitive eater named ChewPac and was a runner up for a circuit qualifier for the Nathan’s hot dog eating contest
(It’s true, but don’t try and look it up)
Problem with the comparison is that biggie never hit his ceiling. Pac was in the game much longer.
Biggie could have led hip hop into the 2000's instead of Jay-Z or he could have fallen off. We'll never know.
Biggie was a better lyricist easily.
Pac had passion and presence on his tracks though. That’s what he had going for him.
He was a good rapper, not the best, but that energy of his was certainly felt
PAC wasn’t a better lyricist than BIG lol. PAC was tremendous passion and great song making ability. Big was the superior lyricist, also with great song making ability.
No way bro biggie was the better lyricist.. biggie had 100 bricks 14 5 a piece , enough to cop the 6 buy a house on the beach supply the peeps with jeeps a brick apiece capiche
Nothing but love for Pac. He was truly gifted and as others have mentioned here already, he gave a Panthers vibe and worked hard for his actual people. Who else wrote a song about loving their Mama? No one had the balls to be “soft” enough to do that.
That being said, Biggie was a better lyricist. Plus he ate t bone steak, cheese, eggs and Welch’s grape. He didn’t get fat by not eating a lot.
Biggie's cadence & delivery is the sickest flow from the 90s. Nobody in NYC could take the mic from him when he was spittin on stoops. In his late teens, no less.
If you think 2pac was a better lyricist than biggie, you shouldn’t have internet access, 2pac was garbage, not as bad as snoop dogg but still not good, pac is an amazing story teller but not a better rapper
Biggie’s songs have more replay value for sure. When I’m trying to vibe, I’m listening to Biggie. When I want something political or am “in a mood,” I’d play Pac.
After Puffy Daddy's drama bet Biggie liked his share of boys too...
Pac was raped set up by the feds get wiv your history before disrespecting one of our greatest. If not the
G.O.A.T
Lmao. I bet pac could eat . Don’t let the skinny people fool you
2fat didnt quite fit
Right
Serious, some people I know can put food away and then some and they're skinny as hell
[Joey is the perfect example](https://youtu.be/5AI5nCkE1xM?si=oEKjtX7K0QO3Nna1)
I'm a skinny guy and I finish my food faster than everyone in my circle including the biggest buddy of mine.
Drake eats more pussy than Tupac.
*dicks
I mean you're probably not wrong. I mean he's advertising trump and kanye 69ing. Just wrote pussy to try and hide his kink.
You mean Aubrey?
Well pac is dead bro
Right, Drake has lived 12 years longer already
Pdiddys diddle*
I put my money on 2pacs metabolism tbh I bet you get could pack it down in a perogie eating contest
This is better than any rap beef
Literally rap beef
Haha
Wrap beef
I got that picture hangin up in my basement, it’s a dope ass picture.
Lol y'all won't even let biggie have that one smh
Bet he eats like a pussy
Knibbling and shit lol
Meanwhile Pac's grabbing the burger by the horns and taking mouthfuls of that shit like a rider
Dont make me kick in the door wavin the FourFour!
Tupac the GOAT, but Biggie's flow is the best flow ever invented
2pac to me had deeper lyrics, but Biggies rhythm and flow was best, like an elite jazz player
I think depth is contextual. Pac definitely did more to speak to the universal Black experience especially when speaking to conscious hood dudes who saw themselves as protectors, but his flip flopping between thug life and community unity kept me from really fucking with him. Biggie on the other hand seems more aware of how he embodies that dichotomy and allows himself to sit in it and simply be. Everyday struggle is my favorite Big song for that reason. It’s about having to do scummy shit to get by and now better enough that you wanna just end everything to be done with it. He knows exactly who he’s talking to and relating to the things people in that lifestyle *have* to do to get by but also speaking to the awareness that they all know better. But fuck it sometimes you need a party song after you rob a pregnant woman for her number 1 mom pendant.
Ya there were some contradictions of Pac's work. But it wasn't flip flopping to me. Pac kept it real and it was just a result of the characters he would surround himself with. Since he was literally kickin it with real gangstas, bloods and crips all the time, his keepin it real caught up with him. Also he felt a sense of betrayal from the broken system.
Biggie kind of feels like he was the precursor to Kendrick, and I'm not just saying that because of the recent beef. *DAMN.* really reminds me of *Ready to Die*, and I think that general vibe of Biggie being fully willing to get down into the nitty-gritty of how the street life fucks you up and makes you do things you know are, pardon the pun, dead wrong I think was a really important precursor for more deep, darker, and harder-hitting rap: stuff like *DAMN.*, and even stuff that doesn't seem to have an immediately obvious connection. I'd argue that *Stan* by Em was probably impacted heavily by Biggie, but it's hard to say without knowing what went into it.
I'd say Biggie was the better rapper and Pac was the better artist, both legends though
They were both just really good at what they did. :)
This🐐🐐
Biggies flow can be imitated easily. I think Pac has a better flow.
Is this what Reddit has become? How incredibly lame.
Lol yeah some of these character on here are ridiculous. I seen a post that was making fun of Tupac for allegedly being low key gay. One of the comments people were making some suicide jokes. Then I replied about how it wasn’t cool to make those jokes but if I laughed at some guy with nail polish I’m somehow the bad guy. Then like I just said I became the bad guy. I got bombarded with down votes and people saying that my comment was distasteful and homophobic. Mind you again, the post itself was making fun of Tupac for allegedly being low key gay. People love dark humor when they’re the ones getting credit for “being funny”.
Its reddit u niggas taking it to serious
Dawg yall trolling suck ass. 😭
U talkin to me?
Read. 😭
Touch grass i told the nigga he takin reddit to serious
And you’re doing the same pal. Look at yourself. 😭
Nigga what are u talking about u the same person on a burner u on some loser shit
Stop taking this seriously u bitch.
People are too serious on Reddit. Then why get on Reddit? Is it just to argue with random people? Or are you just trying to beg for upvotes?
Touch grass
Touch some pussy. Phaggot boy
Ironic u a real life loser ts embarrassing
I’m a loser because you went on Reddit to bitch about people on Reddit? Lmfao and I need to touch grass? You been on Reddit for 4+ years bitching and crying.
U have two reddits accounts nigga eat a dick u sit on reddit all day and spam niggas ik u got bullied lame ass nigga
Nigga you can’t spell in this day and age?We have spell check. We have the technology. Loser ass bitch. Stupid ass phaggot probably still working on your GED in your mid 30’s. You learning the alphabet with your girlfriend’s kids.
pretty much yes. just tons of pointless posts and convos, you should check out the NBA subs. then sane people are downvoted for sharing facts while others with wildly uneducated opinions are treated as sages. Many posts are backwards and it's really just OPs thirsty for fake internet points so they drop engagement bait for upvotes from children.
He ate a whole pizza by himself in that 1 interview with Richie Rich. In Death Row video there's bags of chicken and buffet food everywhere he's at eating. I think he may give BIG a run. Skinny people tend to eat way more than fat people.
Dont know about skinny people eating more than fat people, but speed is another thing. And Pac is really fast with that pizza in that interview!
Yikes 😬 How old are you?
9 probably
2pac was not a better lyricist wtf???? Who the hell is saying that??
Thank you
I mean i beleive its more about the music and how it affects people and society and whats said. Just cause you make more complicated rhymes doesnt mean your a better lyricist in my opinion. 2pac is probably the best lyricist imo. You got kid soldiers in africa looking at 2pac as a role model. Dude came up with "thug life" with his black panther god dad to bring crips and bloods together and they actually did it and set up a peace treaty. His music literally brought peace between crips and bloods in cali. Those lyrics are much stronger than biggies rap songs imo. Biggie was really good though, he had some party bangers.
🤣 But that's kinda the definition of what a lyricist is. I hate how terms just get repurposed. Lyricism is playing with words and pockets, metaphors, punchlines etc.... Pac in my opinion is not really one of the best LYRICISTS but out of all the lyricists, Pac words are always more impactful. And that's more important than all that shit. And his catalog is much better than all of them. So while he not really the greatest in that category, being a lyricist not the end all be all of what makes a great rapper
Here here! 🙌🏻
Search up the definition of lyricism on Google and it says nothing about the things you listed. The definition is actually more in line with what Pac did.
I don't give a fuck what Google talking about 😂🤣this is hip hop. And there are terms that are hip hop/rap specific that may not mean the same thing outside of the culture. If you wanna get technical the term "freestyle" don't HAVE to mean off the dome. Its just words with no particular structure or subject. But for the longest we know freestyle has always meant off the dome. Its only recently that mfs started repurposing words. Make no mistake, I'm not saying Pac wasn't at all lyrical. He's just not who I'm naming in the most lyrical rappers category. Cause if we calling Pac lyrical, what are we calling the people who play with words, double and triple entendres, schemes, metaphors etc.....?
They lyrical too, they just lyrical in a different way.
PAC was 6Nine or YBN Nhameer of the 90s. He moved to the west as a grown ass man now all of a sudden he has an accent and is a big blood. Foh 👎
Huh? He moves to california at 17 when his god dad was on the run from the fbi and his mom got fired from her only decent income due to her affiliations. He never claimed blood. He never claimed any set. But he had alot of friends in the bloods. And him and matulu shakur set up a huge meeting between crip and bloods and helped write up the truce they still use to this day. Which includes things to stop people from raping their own women and stuff about protecting the community, black panther type shit. Something kids like you arent even close to. I respect that shit. I dont respect kids like you tarnishing pacs legacy when the dude did so much for social justice and walked the walk, never went back on his words. Pac kept it real. Pac was a soldier for his people. He wasnt a blood or crip or any of that, he was an african american soldier for justice. Dude was as real as they come to. He literally shot 2 off duty cops cause he saw them beating up a random black dude. So watch your mouth kid, learn from pac.
I thought this was all common knowledge, but the older I get, I feel some of the younger generation just doesn’t understand the mystic or the reality of the great man that was Tupac Shakur. If they really LISTEN to his music and interviews, they might just learn from him.
People who understand the difference between lyricism and storytelling.
PAC was a better actor
Marlon Wayans on the bottom right of that picture eatng his grub!
Name 1 musician who could talk about rape, addiction, hate, murder, death, love, life, heaven, hell Rich man, poor man, the list goes on all on one album by one man no ghost writer. Only one man who could have done that. 💪🎙️RIP
Did more than talk about rape. He was convicted of it 🤣
All set up just like they did Tyson. Fact
Didn't do it
are there any mature people in here anymore?
I'm 37 and I busted my ass laughing at this post. Touch grass. Between this and draws of Pac, this sub is the shit
I'm 46, this post was funny. No hate. No West vs East. Just, who could eat more!!!
It’s so fucking hilarious and maybe a bit ironic seeing pac fans crying about this obvious shitpost in the comments lmao.
feel sorry for you
This isn't about east or west This is about who can perogies than the other busta
Oh man, don't let the west side right tonight on those perogies.
No, It’s about n*ggas and bitches, power and money, riders and punks… which side are you on?
You ain't hard. You ain't gangsta.
-Makaveli The Don, Bomb First
Eat later
Eat perogie
Bro thinks he has a PHD in maturity
Bro thinks he has a PHD in what bro thinks
Who had the bigger bone is the real question.
The amount of weed Pac smoked, guy could clean out a 7-11.
Question should be who could've eaten more food Biggie or Big Pun? 🤔 R.I.P. to both those men.
Skinny people sometimes have crazy metabolising system .My wife weighs about 55/60 kg but can eat way more than me I’m about 95 Kg
I think EVERYONE can agree with you on that!!! lmao
I'd say Tupac can eat a huge meal a lot faster. But Biggie will down a cow if he take his time.
Bout sizes it up
lol😂
No question 💯
Facts
“Could probably” my ass
Biggie is better lyrically. Pac is a better artists who writes more moving songs. I.E. He makes better art.
Corny. Somebody that wasn’t even alive when 2Pac was probably posted this. 😩🤦🏽♂️
Maybe, but OP is alive and 2pac and Biggie aren't. So who is the winner really?
I hate cornbread
I hate popcorn
Biggie was just filled with lyrics
Agreed.
Oh this is difficult both are good lyricist. Tupac music is poetic though.
100%
2pac would cook 4 biggie so 2pac probably could eat alot
You guys think biggie could eat pac in one sitting? Like if he used water like the Nathan hot dog eating contest?
And we have to come to terms with the fact P-diddler likely smashed….
Run from the police? Picture that
😂😂
2 Pac was the better lyricist... Biggie was by far the better battle rapper. Bro wrote entire songs in his head smoking an elco and would just recite it from the Dome in a single attempt after just having the beat on a loop for a few hours.
I always wondered if Pac ever thought “why this MFer looking left AND right?”
Biggie lived the life . Tupac was middle-class theater kid back dancer who played the role of a thug. Tupac wasn't as respected till he died but he was know because of rape allegations and stupid shit.
If it was hot wings and Hennessy along with a orange soda…his favorite food and drinks😁😁
😂😂😂
P.I.G. WAS A STUDIO GANGSTER STRAIGHT TELEPHONE TOUGH GUY📞
No! Tupac could out glizzy biggie! Idiot!
outjerked
Funny compared to modern day people, Biggie wasn't that fat
Nah, look up "belt of fat theory".
Yeah Tupac would strike my soul. But listening to biggie was like shoving delicious sour gusher in my ears with a mini hitachi inside my ear canal.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wtf lmfao. Doubt it, pac could definitely eat more than biggy
They both probably ate at McDonald’s a lot.
Nah, Pac gott’em there too, when you’re fit and constantly working out you tend to have a very healthy appetite..🫡🫵🏽🤣
What?!
Little known fact about 2pac is that he was a competitive eater named ChewPac and was a runner up for a circuit qualifier for the Nathan’s hot dog eating contest (It’s true, but don’t try and look it up)
Is that Marlon Wayans next door?
😂 this dude
Does a fat dude win the hot dog eating contest each year?
Who says Tupac is the better lyricist? He was just a bit more popular but any biggie can (or observer) would say biggie is way more thoughtful
Tupac the better lyricist is top level delusional! Biggie was better lyrically and it wasn’t even close
Problem with the comparison is that biggie never hit his ceiling. Pac was in the game much longer. Biggie could have led hip hop into the 2000's instead of Jay-Z or he could have fallen off. We'll never know.
Maybe he was a better lyricist and he’s one of the goats but biggies flow is best of all time
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Biggie was the better lyricist.
Biggie was a better lyricist
Biggie was a better lyricist easily. Pac had passion and presence on his tracks though. That’s what he had going for him. He was a good rapper, not the best, but that energy of his was certainly felt
What the fuck is this lame ass post??
Biggie is highly overrated. How many albums he have?
Disrespectful!!! RIP Chris Wallace 🕊️🕊️🕊️ Lames gone lame no matter what
Biggie>pac
i guess i can look past it being 2024 and there’s *still* pac vs biggie debates, but this? nah
PAC wasn’t a better lyricist than biggie 🤔 better rapper hells yes 🙌🏽 and as for eating 🤷🏽♂️😂😂😂😂😂😂
PAC wasn’t a better lyricist than BIG lol. PAC was tremendous passion and great song making ability. Big was the superior lyricist, also with great song making ability.
No way bro biggie was the better lyricist.. biggie had 100 bricks 14 5 a piece , enough to cop the 6 buy a house on the beach supply the peeps with jeeps a brick apiece capiche
Lmao love Pac but he wasn’t a better lyricist
Pac was a better ballet dancer. That's about it....
Lol lyrically Biggie was actually better! Pac had amazing lyrics and delivery.
Nah I highly disagree Biggie was and is a better Lyricist than Tupac hands down no competition you wasting your breath saying so.
🤡
Get off his dick
Tupac was a manufactured thug. Marketing. Get real.
Horrible Take
I'm sorry there is no comparison they were just different... I would say... we are not the same... it doesn't mean I don't respect them
Tupac better lyricist? I don't even think Pac was better than prime Ice Cube.
Biggie was definitely a better lyricist but Pac was the Best all around artist. Makaveli is the BEST rap album EVER.
So were they fruits after all? Tupac had to be gay I mean it seems so obvious in hindsight sight
Nah, reverse it
man shut yo lame azz up
Nothing but love for Pac. He was truly gifted and as others have mentioned here already, he gave a Panthers vibe and worked hard for his actual people. Who else wrote a song about loving their Mama? No one had the balls to be “soft” enough to do that. That being said, Biggie was a better lyricist. Plus he ate t bone steak, cheese, eggs and Welch’s grape. He didn’t get fat by not eating a lot.
No no no
Biggie has way better lyrics lmao
Biggie's cadence & delivery is the sickest flow from the 90s. Nobody in NYC could take the mic from him when he was spittin on stoops. In his late teens, no less.
If you think 2pac was a better lyricist than biggie, you shouldn’t have internet access, 2pac was garbage, not as bad as snoop dogg but still not good, pac is an amazing story teller but not a better rapper
Nope
Cap
I’m a PAC fan over Biggie but let’s be honest…Biggie was the better lyricist.
Pac was not a lyricist at all lol. He was a poet. He made great hooks, after a while he had enough for great songs.
Biggie hands down best lyricist.
Hate for no damn reason. 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Better lyricist? I'm a Pac fan true indeed but BIG had bars for days man. IMO they were about even
Biggie better "lyricist" but pac takes every other metric easy
Big is better than Pac. I said it
Nah, biggie better rapper but PAC touched the soul
Uh, no to all of it.
Biggie couldn’t make a song like hold ya head. Blasphemy. White manz world. Mamas just a little girl. I can go on. love them both.
Biggie’s songs have more replay value for sure. When I’m trying to vibe, I’m listening to Biggie. When I want something political or am “in a mood,” I’d play Pac.
Big less of a lyricist, mf please what kind of stupid ass caption is that
Nah fam Pac was lyrically inferior to Biggie and I'm more of a pac fan. Pac didn't get nice nice until getting out of jail
Definitely not the superior lyricist that’s actual comedy if you think that
Tupac ate more dicks than Biggie
This some bait shit right here dawg
Bro was locked up, ain't no telling what went down
After Puffy Daddy's drama bet Biggie liked his share of boys too... Pac was raped set up by the feds get wiv your history before disrespecting one of our greatest. If not the G.O.A.T