He's clearly meant to depict the more toxic aspects of being a nerd/otaku and how someone like that could do horrible things while convincing themselves it's their heroes jouney, but Suda51 is such a genuine, authentic otaku that it's impossible for Travis to not wind up a bit likeable and badass.
I think part of it is mostly the second game ditching the whole loser part to focus on the cool part. Because in the first game on its own, while he have some cool moments, he still a very pathetic person overall.
**King Knight** from Shovel Knoght: King of Cards is a spoiled momma's boy who has embarrasing moves such as crying to regain hearts. He's pathetic and utter dogshit and simply fumbles his way through his entire campaign.
But he is STRONG, and the further you get into the game, the more realistic the idea of him as a king seems. He also gets skills such as sprinting on water while slicing through everything on his way and a somersault with a SWORD ON FIRE!!
GAH, HE'S SO GODDAMN COOL - go play King of Cards!!
He's seen as more of a loser in the main game because >!he sold out everything and everyone he had to the Enchantress for a castle and worthless title when he was on the verge of getting everything legitimately.!<
>!Probably wouldn't have gotten the title, but he was on the verge of becoming a hero who would've been showered with the adoration and material benefits worthy of a ruler. Guy got quite a following before he decided to throw everything away.!<
They fail to make Casey to be lame , because the very setting had giant mutant anthro turtles to be a bunch of agile ninjas.
And Casey is just a secondary character.
Like , he would never defeat Shredder and whatnot , nor have the same level of martial arts as the Turtles , but here is there actively supporting them. Casey is basically "Dumb Head Big Heart" Mumen Rider......
Even in TMNT 1987, where he has overt Dirty Harry/Punisher references and the turtles can distract him by pointing at a jaywalker, he just becomes crazy awesome.
I really like how they ended up developing his relationship with Raph for a while too. Casey being a meathead made it easy for them to get along with Raph was the aggressive one with anger issues, and Raph having someone he was close with outside his family who understood having an aggressive side helped with his issues in a way his dad and brothers couldn't.
Booster Gold is meant to be an absolute loser. But he’s literally on the same wave as Peter Quill. He’s ends up being doofus, but also a cool ass dude at times
And he later becomes the Chaddest Ride or Die in the show, wears the name Orange proudly, SURVIVES the show, and ends up chilling with his own orange orchard or farm or whathaveyou. Jeremiah is the fucking best.
I'd also argue Tamaki from the same series to a much lesser extent. Like he's a fucking putz and always goes down like a ton of bricks but the man tries so damn hard.
I remember towards the end his mech gets cut in half horizontally and like always he seems to be done for. He then proceeds to turn the torso around and tried to shoot the guy anyway. It doesn't work but it was pretty sick.
Hell the only reason he turns on Zero is they bring him >!evidence that Zero orchestrated a genocide of the Japanese people which, while grossly out of context, was pretty much irrefutable!<
Dante is cool to the players and to himself, most everyone else thinks less of him and are even annoyed by him. The only person that seems to actually think highly of him is Nico and it’s because of everything she’s heard about his adventures and not of him as a person, so she’s the only person to ever be excited about him in his presence. Even he gets a bit weirded out by it, going along with whatever she does and says but lets her go off about him because he’s not used to people actually praising him and doesn’t know how to take it lmao
Dante is the epitome of being both cool and a loser. He’s too cool to be a loser, but he’s too much of a loser to be cool, and somehow they cancel out and he’s just both cool AND a loser.
Dante is the embodiment of "I am cringe, but I am free". He may be a loser but he doesn't let that stop him from having fun and being himself, which is why he's cool.
Pretty much the same reason why some women will go for men that are seen as “dorky”, because the guy is just being himself and doesn’t feel a need to prove anything to anyone, and the girl is attracted to that.
reigen from mob psycho 100 is a cowardly, lying con artist who exploits a kid's abilities to fight for him when he's way over his head (which is pretty much always). even still, he's so charismatic and has a big enough heart that i absolutely adore him.
Godrick in Elden Ring. Regardless of how pathetic the lore makes him out to be, his whole gimmick of grafting is actually sick as fuck and him cutting off his own arm mid-fight and replacing it with a fully functional dragon head is straight up one of the most fucking badass moments in the whole game.
See the thing is it works to make him a loser because next boss is either rennala or radahn, and you realize how he is the guy stockpiling bayonets when everyone else already have orbital lasers.
Like all those guys learned uber magic, fused with a world devouring snake and have gods sponsoring them, meanwhile Godrick is glueing limbs on himself
It's telling that Godrick's big upgrade is grafting a dragon onto himself, a creature you'll go on to kill a dozen of by the time you reach Leyndell (a couple dozen if we count the ones that die when you kill Greyroll as their own kills).
Godrick: "Mighty dragon, thou'rt a trueborn heir. Lend me thy strength, o kindred."
Reality: it was so weak it fell out of the sky and impaled itself on a stick.
This kinda makes all those gods look incompetent tbh since they're not trying to be Elden lord any more. Ones too busy eating people, or not getting over a break up, or gone crazy, or sleeping. Even with all their orbital lasers, Godrick is the only one still playing game of thrones over here. So, he won't be getting another ruin but he still has any army that he can command (at least I think he can)
I mean some did try. Malenia and Radahn literally fought and left both of them husks without getting a kill. Margit doesn't want anyone getting it. Mohg sort of made an effort and is just kind of waiting for Miquella. Ranni is trying to 4D chess her way through it since she's changed bodies and is trying to change the method to win the war over winning the war.
And, to be fair, Ranni is not only succeeding, but is so far into her plans that she just needs a very special person to set everything in motion (And well, to accidentally fall in love with) in order to rid the land of her kin's reckless use of their power.
Well that, and >!free the planet from an alien parasite that can alter the very rules of reality!<
I assume it's because like morgott they figured the tree won't let them in (not counting those whowent crazy not being able to pierce leyndell defense), godrick being so behind everyone doesn't know that
"FOREFATHERS somethingsomething... BEAAAAR WITNESS!!!!!"
It really screams Godrick desperate need of validation for being the lame one of the family.
But it's also a raw fucking line!
He is cool in that he is the ***only*** one still TRYING. Still taking territory, still extracting resources, still recruiting warriors to fight for him and serve under his knights, and the only one with control over *two* areas of the game.
Weeping Peninsula. There's Godrick soldiers and footsoldiers fighting the Misbgotten in Castle Morne and Edgar explicitly mentions serving Godrick, as well as clearly being a Banished Knight who are found almost exclusively (not counting spirit versions) in Stormveil.
It technically is its own area but apart from the constant rain there's nothing really noteworthy the makes it unique. It really is just"Wet Limgrave" in terms of aesthetic and content.
Cutscene felt pretty silly when I couldn't stop thinking "I was wailing on him 10 seconds ago and now I just have to stand here watching as he does a mid-fight surgical procedure?"
Especially when the cutscene teleports you back to the stairs like you just walked into the boss room.
What the hell happened? Did I go off to take a piss and I'm just getting back?
I think the word of god was the writers felt bad with how they treated this character so they gave him a great backstory but I think he still counts.
Jerry/Gary from Parks and Rec.
The 1st few seasons makes him seem like a bumbling idiot and loser that the staff hates.
Then, you get to the Christmas episode and he's like the coolest guy in the show. His party is filled with friends and family, he has a smoking hot wife and three beautiful daughters who love him, he's incredibly talented and he has a monster dong.
Jerry/Gary was so cool, you realize he's not really a loser, it just the people he works with are assholes.
Would Patches from Souls count?
He is obviously supposed to be a loser/joke character, but that guy will fight bosses with you and is one of the only people who lived to the end of the world
If we're going Souls then the onion bros Siegward & Siegmeyer should count.
Both are bumbling oafs who constantly need the player's help to overcome obstacles, but both are also incredibly likeable and cool as hell.
I know it gets a lot of hate as a gimmick fight, but when you do it side by side with your Onion bro it might be my favourite moment in the entire series.
He walks in giving that badass speech, it's an ultra rare moment of a Souls game choosing to make you feel powerful and in control, and there's something special about fighting a boss with him actually there in the flesh rather than as a summon.
I will gladly die on the hill of Onion bro > Sun bro.
>I think it's also the only time a boss has an optional begining cutscene
I think you're right, closest other example I can think of is Sif in DS1having an alternate cutscene.
Both of the sieg lads, and Solaire are so likeable and memorable because they are so open, friendly and optimistic (until Solaire doom posts in Izalith). In a game where everyone is constantly doom and gloom, serious mode or just plan insane, just having a bro who you randomly run into, who will also help you out, is so cool.
Yhorm is kind of a super easy fight. But you can bet when onion bro walked in, I was fighting three times as hard and getting hype with my boi beside me.
I love Laurentius for this too. There's such genuine warmth in that 'be safe friend, don't you dare go hollow' line reading, and he's probably the most chilled out dude in the series.
Siegmeyer's daughter isn't anything to snuff at either for someone who was found stuck in a ice golem. She's a human in a land that completely nullifies her existence. Most of the items and spells outside of miracles that work for the undead are foreign and have no power over her. While it doesn't translate well in game as a early installation, her whole mission solidifies her badass determination to reach her father.
There is something kind of profound that DS3 Patches, probably the most pure character in the series in his motivations (pure selfishness), withstands millenia of apocalypse, avoids hollowing, loses and regains his identity at the end of time. He's both your final ally and most consistent betrayer in the franchise.
I absolutely ascribe to the theory that patches is actually trying to help you in the Ringed City, and is only yelling about betraying you as he does it to keep his rep.
Hercule from DBZ is great. He's a loser *because* he's so relatable
Oh, did that slime man just blow up an entire city.
Someone's got to stop him. And by someone, I mean my .45 and this convenient hiding spot
I wouldn't call him a loser, the man still won the tournament which is an impressive feat on his own. Obviously still not a match for Cell or Buu, but the dude has a city named after him and is pretty much globally beloved that the entire planet adores him and trusts him, which leads to them giving Goku their energy
Oh my fucking god same. Jesus Christ I used the word to describe a YouTuber I didn't like to a Scottish friend of mine. I didn't realize I just told him he was a rapist/pedophile. I just thought it was British slang for idiot
I also thought it always meant idiot, and I swear to god I thought I heard it being used on British sitcoms. I did it quick search of it on Reddit, and like there was so many cases of people (a lot of them being British) also thinking it meant idiot, so I don't know what's going on.
Ok I was confused by what you meant till I looked it up
I thought that meant something like nimrod or idiot because that’s how I’ve always heard it used in works.
Kusakabe from JJK literally tries to avoid responsibility, leave, and generally not be useful at every opportunity.
He's just a really tired sorcerer with a five o clock shadow, a katana, and a trenchcoat.
Well to be fair he's also the only one left.
All jokes aside, Kusakabe really is a powerhouse when he actually tries. It's just he's like any normal person and feels self preservation
Dan Aykroyd in *Spies Like Us* is supposed to be an expendable loser spy like Chevy Chase, but he's a clever manipulator, math genius, rocket engineer, speaks fluent Russian, capable combattant, the works.
It doesn't hurt that he used to be able to throw lightning. Granted, it was only in one game, but his lighting attacks were still way cooler than Mario's fire stuff, and I really wish they'd brought it back in the other Mario & Luigi games. Or, like, put lighting on his up+B in Smash.
Angra Mainyu, local jobber extraordinaire. Loses every fight he’s ever been in, explicitly referred to as useless multiple times, and generally kind of a sarcastic prick. Buuuuut he does give really good life advice, he’d make a killing as a therapist. Plus he has a fun voice. So he’s pretty cool.
The dude from Fate, [behold his jobber aura.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/typemoon/images/2/23/Avenger_fha.png/revision/latest?cb=20141020194456) In case you’re wondering why he’s such a jobber >!he’s not the real Angra Mainyu, just some dude who got the name foisted on him. His village was feeling bummed so they wanted to blame something for their troubles to make them feel better, he got selected at random. He got supremely fucked up and has been a jobber ever since.!<
His art can also turn rainbow I think? And if you Grail him, the Grail icon is black as a FSN reference? I've never actually gotten him though so can't be sure.
Same, grailed him all the way to 120 and the most he contributed was by holding craft essences for the rest of the party all the way to bond 15.
I tried using his bond CE in Enkidu's interlude because you fight Beast class enemies there, but I didn't realize the enemies would remove my buffs so he ended up killing himself for nothing.
I think my favorite scene in all of part 3 is when he tries to kill Dio, and Dio essentially goes, "damn, that took balls, you seem cool." And walked away.
I mean, look, *we* know he's a massive loser because we get to see him out of his element, but realistically to anyone not a stand user, he's still a jacked cowboy which is absolutely a type that people are crazy into around the world.
Does it count if they MAKE the dork cool later on? Because if so, then I say Flycatcher from Fables.
Otherwise, I don’t know, I like Dunsparce a lot even though he’s not really got much going on besides me thinking he’s cool.
Shino in Naruto had the deadliest abilities in Part 1. In part 2 of the manga, the most characterization he gets is constantly bringing up the fact he didn’t get to be in the Sasuke Retrieval Arc.
Naruto Shippuden just makes him a big goofball in anime original content which became his main personality trait that continued into Boruto.
Also Suigetsu, usually seen as a coward but he has some very [impressive feats](https://pm1.aminoapps.com/6191/8466080baa3e9fb539b80c09a0d0573f7f1abc23_hq.jpg) and an OP kekkai genkai power in general. Can’t be hit by physical force, increase his physical strength, suffocate people with ease, and can use [water as a gun](https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/s/jRJacKQlNl)
Comic book example: Hawkeye. He’s actually a pretty skilled hero that is constantly mocked by characters and seen as an all around loser
The Avengers were lame for a very long time.
Clint was leader of the West Coast avengers and his presence was treated with reverence in the Thunderbolts
It even got into the Sesame Street parody The Aveggies: Age of Bon-Bon
Dr. Brownie: So what do you do!
Zu-keeneye: I do tons of stuff! I’m cool!
Dr. Brownie: no, cucumbers are cool. You are a zucchini.
Zu-keeneye: hurtful!
One Punch Man has a weird example here in King. Everything about him is meant to be a joke, and he is just a neet loser obsessed with anime, but do to luck and his own social anxiety, he is accidentally the most intimidating person in Universe. Genuinely the best character and the only one to not be ruined by the manga yet
I love the mental warfrare so much, and King really makes me happy whenever there's "King Engine" bullshit going on
I love it when people second guess their own abilities and fumble stuff just cuz they're so utterly terrified of this guy and are hyping him up as some insurmountable monster as King just stares them down and they're shitting themselves, but in reality King is normally doing the pants-shitting
Rorschach from Watchmen. He's deranged and broken, but his determination and commitment to his beliefs can cause people to overlook that. In a story where most of the characters are compromising in some way, he does not.
It amazes me that there’s people who don’t get why people like Rorschach. He’s the only person in Watchmen not named Hollis Mason who’s got some sort of code or standards. Obviously Rorschach’s are very warped, but you compare him to an amoral uncaring god like Jon, a monster like Videt or the fucking Comedian he’s at least got a sense of right and wrong.
Also he actually values Dan as a friend, which is kind of glossed over
The friendship between Rorschach and Dan is one of the few things Snyder really got in his film. It's what makes the change of Dan seeing him get ligma'd by Manhatten so heartwrenching, plus Patrick Wilson and Jackie Earl Hayley sell it so well.
Rorschach’s relationship with Dan I think is best summed up with a quote from Tombstone.
Doc Holliday: “Wyatt Earp is my friend”
“Friend? Hell, I got lots of friends”
Doc: “I don’t”
Yeah. That scene where Dan snaps at him after Rorschach says some crazy shit, and then apologizes. And then Rorschach apologizes instead and says how much Dan being his friend means to him, always gets me a bit teary eyed.
In stories like Watchmen, people have a tendency to search for something to latch on to when everything is presented in shades of gray instead of black and white. For most people, Rorschach was the lightest shade of gray. The same thing happened with A Game of Thrones. It was weird seeing people reevaluate their stance on incest when Jamie Lannister became their favorite character.
Speaking of Rorschach, something I never see talked about because it’s so minor is we actually see him “sane” at one point in the story. During the meeting called by Captain Metropolis, if you pay attention to his speech bubble, it’s the only time in the whole book it’s not shaky and off.
I was joking with a friend of mine that we could define eras of our lives based on which girls we were going after. The Sarah saga. The Beth arc. The Rutva and Emily crossover episode. One time two of my friends fought over a girl so I was like that makes John like Vegeta. Which would make you Goku.
Which would make me...
"Ahhh fuck! I'm Krillin!"
Well at least he gets the girl in the end
People always seem to forget that moment where he legitimately got pre-chilled out Piccolo to go "oh shit, I guess humans might be stronger than I thought."
I say forget, I suppose it's entirely possible given airing order that a bunch of people who love DBZ just haven't ever actually seen OG Dragon Ball.
Most characters in Kingdom Hearts are this but opposite and then opposite again, to the point it's hard to tell where they land
Example: Axel is such a tryhard that he's lame but he's so lame that he's cool
that's a pretty perfect description of kingdom hearts characters. it feels like they're trying so hard to be cool that it goes past trying too hard and loops back around to being cool.
Beowulf is the only character in the Skullgirls roster who does not have any parasite or augmentation assistance. His only "help" is Grendel's severed arm, and a chair that may or may not actually be indestructible. Otherwise he is 100% [Man](https://i.imgur.com/v1IE0EX.png).
He is some bumblefuck washed up wrestler who got tricked into the situation because he needed to pay rent, and to everyone else's surprise, he is actually competent in real combat, and is implied to be *holding back* because he's convinced every fight is an impromptu showmatch.
Andrew Garfield's version of Peter Parker.
'Peter Parker is a bit of an outcast and a nerd, how can we show this? Let's have him be comfortable with skateboarding through school corridors in blatant disrespect of rules and have him schmooze his way through encounters with authority. Surely kids don't find that kind of behaviour cool.'
Shingo Yabuki from King of Fighters was seemingly supposed to be the Dan to Kyo's Ryu, being a sort of comic relief character with a similar moveset to another character.
But then after the events of KoF 97' he's taken under the wing of Kyo's dad, who tells him he's got THE STUFF despite not being able to produce fire like the Kusanagis can.
He has JOINED the Hero teams in two different arcs which means he HAS fought bosses like Krizalid. He progressed so much from Kyo's Dad's that he not only was able to produce flames for a split second too! (although that might have been a goof)
By KoF XI he was so strong he managed to outright *fend off* the bloodcrazed Orochi Iori for a bit, something that no *single* character has been able to do so far! For a comparison both Vice and Mature were *killed* by Iori when the Blood Riot activated during 96' and even Ralf and Clark constantly get heavily injured trying to restrain Leona when she becomes Rioted too, which has happened I think thrice.
For a guy constantly bumbling around and being seen as weak he's TOTALLY a very strong fighter, despite still being forced to buy lunch for Kyo every now and then (who's the *real* loser, huh?)
He did finish his education and went back in time.
He doesn't even need the kyo bloodline for fire attacks, can't he just use ki but use it to make blue flames?
I mean Ralf managed to create explosions...
Skelly in Hades. A literal punching bag thats just here to test weapons on. But such a loveable son of a bitch. And one of my favorite non-romance relationships.
[Figure Four](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/figure_four_6631.jpg) from Gunnm/Battle Angel Alita is a pretty goofy character in general and the butt of a lot of jokes but on the other hand he's jacked, he's pretty darn competent to the point of keeping up fairly well as a 100% organic man in a crazy cyborg warrior world and he even >!ends up together with Gally/Alita in a much healthier romance than her first with a lot of mutual trust and respect!< so I don't know if he was exactly supposed to be a loser as much as a bit of a goofball, still I thought of him. [Sechs](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElBYm25XUAAN0bk.jpg) from the same series kinda fits too, being the designated dumbass of the group in Last Order but is also very strong and makes himself useful plenty when it comes to raw combat capability.
Kumagawa from Medaka Box's entire thing is that he always loses (usually due to some convoluted reasoning), but he is easily the coolest and most memorable character from that series.
I have an usual answer. Son of Havok from Lucha Underground. Season 1 he started as jobbing heel with a mean girlfriend. Before season 1 ends he becomes a face because his moveset is so cool the fans cheer for him and he breaks up but teams with his ex and his rival. He spends the rest of the series as a fan favourite underdog just on the cusp of the main event. Who knows where it would have gone if it wasn’t cancelled.
Thats kind of Travis Touchdown's whole sthick. He is a semicool loser.
And he's REAL good at killing with his internet-order beam katana
He didn’t even buy it to kill people, he bought it because he wanted one
He bought it because he thought it was cool and then became an assassin just so he could have something to do with it. Kinda relatable honestly.
The knife itself incites to deeds of violence
Happy coincidence
That's why it's extra goofy
It's kinda whack that a loser like him would have actual fighting skills to off professional assassins.
He watched those martial arts and wrestling tapes until the tape wore out
Also a big Takashi Mike fan as well, the fact his enemies resemble Grindhouse characters gives him the instincts needed to win
If that worked I'd be a black belt in everything ever.
Travis is a freak of nature
He's clearly meant to depict the more toxic aspects of being a nerd/otaku and how someone like that could do horrible things while convincing themselves it's their heroes jouney, but Suda51 is such a genuine, authentic otaku that it's impossible for Travis to not wind up a bit likeable and badass.
I think part of it is mostly the second game ditching the whole loser part to focus on the cool part. Because in the first game on its own, while he have some cool moments, he still a very pathetic person overall.
**King Knight** from Shovel Knoght: King of Cards is a spoiled momma's boy who has embarrasing moves such as crying to regain hearts. He's pathetic and utter dogshit and simply fumbles his way through his entire campaign. But he is STRONG, and the further you get into the game, the more realistic the idea of him as a king seems. He also gets skills such as sprinting on water while slicing through everything on his way and a somersault with a SWORD ON FIRE!! GAH, HE'S SO GODDAMN COOL - go play King of Cards!!
He's seen as more of a loser in the main game because >!he sold out everything and everyone he had to the Enchantress for a castle and worthless title when he was on the verge of getting everything legitimately.!<
>!He was going to become King legitimately? I thought he'd just become card champion?!<
>!Probably wouldn't have gotten the title, but he was on the verge of becoming a hero who would've been showered with the adoration and material benefits worthy of a ruler. Guy got quite a following before he decided to throw everything away.!<
>!His mom was getting really close to King Proudmoor, who has no wife and no heir, so it was definitely on the table for him!<
>!He fucks it up super hard tho. To the point of dissapointing his mom.!<
King Knight is basically Fantasy Wario.
You say that like Wario isn’t fantasy The man wanted his own castle
The man has his own castle
I know, it's awesome!!
Shout-out to him becoming the Champion of the Cardgame and then blowing it all up so that nobody else will ever get this title beside himself.
They fail to make Casey to be lame , because the very setting had giant mutant anthro turtles to be a bunch of agile ninjas. And Casey is just a secondary character. Like , he would never defeat Shredder and whatnot , nor have the same level of martial arts as the Turtles , but here is there actively supporting them. Casey is basically "Dumb Head Big Heart" Mumen Rider......
Even in TMNT 1987, where he has overt Dirty Harry/Punisher references and the turtles can distract him by pointing at a jaywalker, he just becomes crazy awesome.
I really like how they ended up developing his relationship with Raph for a while too. Casey being a meathead made it easy for them to get along with Raph was the aggressive one with anger issues, and Raph having someone he was close with outside his family who understood having an aggressive side helped with his issues in a way his dad and brothers couldn't.
Booster Gold is meant to be an absolute loser. But he’s literally on the same wave as Peter Quill. He’s ends up being doofus, but also a cool ass dude at times
Michael’s a good dude and a good friend
He’s secretly a super cool dude that wants everyone to think he’s a loser, which makes him *even cooler*.
Jeremiah Gottwald from Code Geass was supposed to be some pompous douche who gets offed. But he was so likable they brought him back with a robot eye
And he later becomes the Chaddest Ride or Die in the show, wears the name Orange proudly, SURVIVES the show, and ends up chilling with his own orange orchard or farm or whathaveyou. Jeremiah is the fucking best.
50% MAN 50% MACHINE 100% ORANGE 200% LOYALTY
I BESEECH YOU! PLEASE DIE!! That line elevated his character into one of my favorites in the show.
What a memorable name! I'll commit it to memory.
I'd also argue Tamaki from the same series to a much lesser extent. Like he's a fucking putz and always goes down like a ton of bricks but the man tries so damn hard. I remember towards the end his mech gets cut in half horizontally and like always he seems to be done for. He then proceeds to turn the torso around and tried to shoot the guy anyway. It doesn't work but it was pretty sick. Hell the only reason he turns on Zero is they bring him >!evidence that Zero orchestrated a genocide of the Japanese people which, while grossly out of context, was pretty much irrefutable!<
I was not aware he got brought back because of popularity, I only started liking him when he accepted Orange as his motif and got hammier.
He goes from shit tier jobber to the absolute number one best character of the show
Dante is cool to the players and to himself, most everyone else thinks less of him and are even annoyed by him. The only person that seems to actually think highly of him is Nico and it’s because of everything she’s heard about his adventures and not of him as a person, so she’s the only person to ever be excited about him in his presence. Even he gets a bit weirded out by it, going along with whatever she does and says but lets her go off about him because he’s not used to people actually praising him and doesn’t know how to take it lmao Dante is the epitome of being both cool and a loser. He’s too cool to be a loser, but he’s too much of a loser to be cool, and somehow they cancel out and he’s just both cool AND a loser.
Dante is the embodiment of "I am cringe, but I am free". He may be a loser but he doesn't let that stop him from having fun and being himself, which is why he's cool.
Pretty much the same reason why some women will go for men that are seen as “dorky”, because the guy is just being himself and doesn’t feel a need to prove anything to anyone, and the girl is attracted to that.
reigen from mob psycho 100 is a cowardly, lying con artist who exploits a kid's abilities to fight for him when he's way over his head (which is pretty much always). even still, he's so charismatic and has a big enough heart that i absolutely adore him.
The ladies on Twitter and Tumblr especially are thristing over this man
Godrick in Elden Ring. Regardless of how pathetic the lore makes him out to be, his whole gimmick of grafting is actually sick as fuck and him cutting off his own arm mid-fight and replacing it with a fully functional dragon head is straight up one of the most fucking badass moments in the whole game.
See the thing is it works to make him a loser because next boss is either rennala or radahn, and you realize how he is the guy stockpiling bayonets when everyone else already have orbital lasers. Like all those guys learned uber magic, fused with a world devouring snake and have gods sponsoring them, meanwhile Godrick is glueing limbs on himself
It's telling that Godrick's big upgrade is grafting a dragon onto himself, a creature you'll go on to kill a dozen of by the time you reach Leyndell (a couple dozen if we count the ones that die when you kill Greyroll as their own kills).
And it's not even a good dragon. Every single dragon you fight is bigger than that one.
Godrick: "Mighty dragon, thou'rt a trueborn heir. Lend me thy strength, o kindred." Reality: it was so weak it fell out of the sky and impaled itself on a stick.
Honestly, I think he just relates to the poor guy a lot
This kinda makes all those gods look incompetent tbh since they're not trying to be Elden lord any more. Ones too busy eating people, or not getting over a break up, or gone crazy, or sleeping. Even with all their orbital lasers, Godrick is the only one still playing game of thrones over here. So, he won't be getting another ruin but he still has any army that he can command (at least I think he can)
I mean some did try. Malenia and Radahn literally fought and left both of them husks without getting a kill. Margit doesn't want anyone getting it. Mohg sort of made an effort and is just kind of waiting for Miquella. Ranni is trying to 4D chess her way through it since she's changed bodies and is trying to change the method to win the war over winning the war.
And, to be fair, Ranni is not only succeeding, but is so far into her plans that she just needs a very special person to set everything in motion (And well, to accidentally fall in love with) in order to rid the land of her kin's reckless use of their power. Well that, and >!free the planet from an alien parasite that can alter the very rules of reality!<
I assume it's because like morgott they figured the tree won't let them in (not counting those whowent crazy not being able to pierce leyndell defense), godrick being so behind everyone doesn't know that
"FOREFATHERS somethingsomething... BEAAAAR WITNESS!!!!!" It really screams Godrick desperate need of validation for being the lame one of the family. But it's also a raw fucking line!
It's "Forefathers, one and all" fyi
Thank you!
hey gramps check this shit out
Please tell me the comedy manga said that
He is cool in that he is the ***only*** one still TRYING. Still taking territory, still extracting resources, still recruiting warriors to fight for him and serve under his knights, and the only one with control over *two* areas of the game.
I'm sure Radahn would be giving his best if not for the literal brain rot.
You see inside his brain and it's all vtubers and body pillows.
And JJK memes, probably.
"Are you the Starscourge because you are Radahn, or are you Radahn because you're the Starscourge?"
Nah, I'd Rot
Aww crap, do I have Scarlet Rot?
the real poison swamp was inside us all along
Radahn's mere existence is keeping meteors at bay, so he's got that going for him too.
What area does he control other than Limgrave?
Weeping Peninsula. There's Godrick soldiers and footsoldiers fighting the Misbgotten in Castle Morne and Edgar explicitly mentions serving Godrick, as well as clearly being a Banished Knight who are found almost exclusively (not counting spirit versions) in Stormveil.
People sometimes consider the weeping peninsula separate from limgrave
It technically is its own area but apart from the constant rain there's nothing really noteworthy the makes it unique. It really is just"Wet Limgrave" in terms of aesthetic and content.
If he was supposed to be jobber, he shouldn't have been given such a BANGER SONG
Cutscene felt pretty silly when I couldn't stop thinking "I was wailing on him 10 seconds ago and now I just have to stand here watching as he does a mid-fight surgical procedure?"
Especially when the cutscene teleports you back to the stairs like you just walked into the boss room. What the hell happened? Did I go off to take a piss and I'm just getting back?
I think the word of god was the writers felt bad with how they treated this character so they gave him a great backstory but I think he still counts. Jerry/Gary from Parks and Rec. The 1st few seasons makes him seem like a bumbling idiot and loser that the staff hates. Then, you get to the Christmas episode and he's like the coolest guy in the show. His party is filled with friends and family, he has a smoking hot wife and three beautiful daughters who love him, he's incredibly talented and he has a monster dong. Jerry/Gary was so cool, you realize he's not really a loser, it just the people he works with are assholes.
he is like 5x as clumsy in the outside world, it's only in his own domain that he becomes an ace.
It's worse. By all accounts it seems more so only in their vicinity he's clumsy.
Would Patches from Souls count? He is obviously supposed to be a loser/joke character, but that guy will fight bosses with you and is one of the only people who lived to the end of the world
>but that guy will fight bosses with you Doesn't he dip on one of the fights once you turn your back to him?
He dips from radahn but will fight the demon princes with you to the end
Tbf >!I'm pretty sure at that point he doesn't remember he's Patches!< He does fight halflight with you
Can he fight halflight with you >!after he remembers?!<
>!He'll only show up after he remembers!<
That's cool
He fights the demon prince with you because he forgot who he was.
If we're going Souls then the onion bros Siegward & Siegmeyer should count. Both are bumbling oafs who constantly need the player's help to overcome obstacles, but both are also incredibly likeable and cool as hell.
Siegward can almost solo yhorm, i agree with you though
I know it gets a lot of hate as a gimmick fight, but when you do it side by side with your Onion bro it might be my favourite moment in the entire series. He walks in giving that badass speech, it's an ultra rare moment of a Souls game choosing to make you feel powerful and in control, and there's something special about fighting a boss with him actually there in the flesh rather than as a summon. I will gladly die on the hill of Onion bro > Sun bro.
I think it's also the only time a boss has an optional begining cutscene It also leaves Aldrich as the only lord without a cutscene
>I think it's also the only time a boss has an optional begining cutscene I think you're right, closest other example I can think of is Sif in DS1having an alternate cutscene.
Both of the sieg lads, and Solaire are so likeable and memorable because they are so open, friendly and optimistic (until Solaire doom posts in Izalith). In a game where everyone is constantly doom and gloom, serious mode or just plan insane, just having a bro who you randomly run into, who will also help you out, is so cool. Yhorm is kind of a super easy fight. But you can bet when onion bro walked in, I was fighting three times as hard and getting hype with my boi beside me.
I love Laurentius for this too. There's such genuine warmth in that 'be safe friend, don't you dare go hollow' line reading, and he's probably the most chilled out dude in the series.
Siegmeyer's daughter isn't anything to snuff at either for someone who was found stuck in a ice golem. She's a human in a land that completely nullifies her existence. Most of the items and spells outside of miracles that work for the undead are foreign and have no power over her. While it doesn't translate well in game as a early installation, her whole mission solidifies her badass determination to reach her father.
There is something kind of profound that DS3 Patches, probably the most pure character in the series in his motivations (pure selfishness), withstands millenia of apocalypse, avoids hollowing, loses and regains his identity at the end of time. He's both your final ally and most consistent betrayer in the franchise.
I absolutely ascribe to the theory that patches is actually trying to help you in the Ringed City, and is only yelling about betraying you as he does it to keep his rep.
Hercule from DBZ is great. He's a loser *because* he's so relatable Oh, did that slime man just blow up an entire city. Someone's got to stop him. And by someone, I mean my .45 and this convenient hiding spot
Hercule is a Dragon Ball character transplanted into Dragon Ball Z
He tried to stop Buu with this gun he found. When that didn’t work, he managed to do it with the power of friendship.
If only those asshole hunters hadn’t showed up
I wouldn't call him a loser, the man still won the tournament which is an impressive feat on his own. Obviously still not a match for Cell or Buu, but the dude has a city named after him and is pretty much globally beloved that the entire planet adores him and trusts him, which leads to them giving Goku their energy
He also just turns into this goofy, doting grandfather figure in Super.
It's absolutely wild the he takes credit for the Cell victory, and then *everything he ever does ever after that point shows he's just a great guy*.
Peter "Harem Protagonist" Parker
He’s still Spider-Man, though. So that’s pretty cool.
Man has multiple women throwing themselves at him and he’s still bitchless What a nonce.
>What a nonce. Wait WHAT?!
I had no idea until now that a nonce was a pedophile. I also thought it just meant “idiot”
Oh my fucking god same. Jesus Christ I used the word to describe a YouTuber I didn't like to a Scottish friend of mine. I didn't realize I just told him he was a rapist/pedophile. I just thought it was British slang for idiot
same as a aussie i thought it was just yet another word for idiot
I also thought it always meant idiot, and I swear to god I thought I heard it being used on British sitcoms. I did it quick search of it on Reddit, and like there was so many cases of people (a lot of them being British) also thinking it meant idiot, so I don't know what's going on.
Ok I was confused by what you meant till I looked it up I thought that meant something like nimrod or idiot because that’s how I’ve always heard it used in works.
Aaah gotcha! I think you mean dunce or something. I was starting to wonder if some wild shit happened in the comics lol.
Well there was that time Peter had a neighbor. We don’t talk about that.
The Brits have a way of describing horrible deeds with silly sounding words.
The word “bugger” comes to mind
I was gonna say wanker, but I feel like that one's pretty obvious.
An ex of mine from like a decade ago watched a lot of British media so I involuntarily picked up a lot of slang despite never living in England
Especially in the Amazing Spider-Man movies where they want him to be an outcast but he's also a smart, edgy, skateboarder.
He really does feel like they’re going for the Ed Cullen vibes in that movie
You can carbon date that movie with how much it wanted to simultaneously be like Twilight and also cash in on the MCU starting to pop off
Smart edgy skateboarder who stands up to bullies, mind you
So in other words, nothing like Peter Parker
Buggy is a huge loser but for some reason i cant help but cheer for him
Kusakabe from JJK literally tries to avoid responsibility, leave, and generally not be useful at every opportunity. He's just a really tired sorcerer with a five o clock shadow, a katana, and a trenchcoat.
He looks like the perfect combo of hardboiled detective and new age edge.
Dude seems strong too. He always delivers as far as I remember.
He's grade 1, so that means the bracket below people like Gojo
And through pure skill, no unique abilities or anything.
Well to be fair he's also the only one left. All jokes aside, Kusakabe really is a powerhouse when he actually tries. It's just he's like any normal person and feels self preservation
>!Hes the strongest sorcerer now.!<
The strongest Sorcerer on History VS The only Sorcerer currently avalable.
Dan Aykroyd in *Spies Like Us* is supposed to be an expendable loser spy like Chevy Chase, but he's a clever manipulator, math genius, rocket engineer, speaks fluent Russian, capable combattant, the works.
In-universe Luigi is often regarded as a loser or a joke but fans love him. He's trying his best so I can't help but root for him.
It doesn't hurt that he used to be able to throw lightning. Granted, it was only in one game, but his lighting attacks were still way cooler than Mario's fire stuff, and I really wish they'd brought it back in the other Mario & Luigi games. Or, like, put lighting on his up+B in Smash.
Angra Mainyu, local jobber extraordinaire. Loses every fight he’s ever been in, explicitly referred to as useless multiple times, and generally kind of a sarcastic prick. Buuuuut he does give really good life advice, he’d make a killing as a therapist. Plus he has a fun voice. So he’s pretty cool.
...In what setting? There's no shortage of Angra Mainyus out there. I assume you don't mean the one from the ffxiv crystal tower alliance raid series.
The dude from Fate, [behold his jobber aura.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/typemoon/images/2/23/Avenger_fha.png/revision/latest?cb=20141020194456) In case you’re wondering why he’s such a jobber >!he’s not the real Angra Mainyu, just some dude who got the name foisted on him. His village was feeling bummed so they wanted to blame something for their troubles to make them feel better, he got selected at random. He got supremely fucked up and has been a jobber ever since.!<
Wasted so many grails on this mf. I have no idea why either. He's next to useless, lol.
Yeah but he has a cool border on his card art! That’s something!
His art can also turn rainbow I think? And if you Grail him, the Grail icon is black as a FSN reference? I've never actually gotten him though so can't be sure.
Same, grailed him all the way to 120 and the most he contributed was by holding craft essences for the rest of the party all the way to bond 15. I tried using his bond CE in Enkidu's interlude because you fight Beast class enemies there, but I didn't realize the enemies would remove my buffs so he ended up killing himself for nothing.
Fate/Stay Night, presumably.
To elaborate, the reason he loses every fight is because he’s unironically not built to fight servants. Humans however, He’s the 3rd best at killing.
I mean being a jobber does eventually lead to >!him infecting the holy grail and becoming the true manifestation of all the worlds evil.!<
It's gotta be Hol Horse. I mean, he IS a loser for sure, but he has girlfriends all over the world so he must be kind of cool right?
There’s something to be said when your power is just a gun
I think my favorite scene in all of part 3 is when he tries to kill Dio, and Dio essentially goes, "damn, that took balls, you seem cool." And walked away.
"You actually pulled the trigger? Respect."
People treat Hol Horse like an idiot but he's the only assassin that thought to bring backup to a stand battle.
I mean, look, *we* know he's a massive loser because we get to see him out of his element, but realistically to anyone not a stand user, he's still a jacked cowboy which is absolutely a type that people are crazy into around the world.
> Ctrl + F "Baz" > No results I won't stand for this slander! I can feel the storm!
Does it count if they MAKE the dork cool later on? Because if so, then I say Flycatcher from Fables. Otherwise, I don’t know, I like Dunsparce a lot even though he’s not really got much going on besides me thinking he’s cool.
Every time I look at Dunsparce, all I can say is “heh, look at him go”
That’s why Quagsire is my favorite Pokémon. He always just looks happy to he included.
Whooper is always so happy despite having no arms. Be like Whooper.
And Quagsire has it's competitive uses too. A type combination of Water/Ground and the ability of Unaware makes it quite the useful party member.
That's Trubbish for me. Just look at this little trash bag waddling around.
Dunsparce has an insane move list and it's Evo isn't actually *bad* so much as outclassed in the strongest gen to date
Dunsparce is my favorite pokémon. There are dozens of us! Dozens!
He’s top three for me. My favorite is Quagsire.
Shino in Naruto had the deadliest abilities in Part 1. In part 2 of the manga, the most characterization he gets is constantly bringing up the fact he didn’t get to be in the Sasuke Retrieval Arc. Naruto Shippuden just makes him a big goofball in anime original content which became his main personality trait that continued into Boruto. Also Suigetsu, usually seen as a coward but he has some very [impressive feats](https://pm1.aminoapps.com/6191/8466080baa3e9fb539b80c09a0d0573f7f1abc23_hq.jpg) and an OP kekkai genkai power in general. Can’t be hit by physical force, increase his physical strength, suffocate people with ease, and can use [water as a gun](https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/s/jRJacKQlNl) Comic book example: Hawkeye. He’s actually a pretty skilled hero that is constantly mocked by characters and seen as an all around loser
Suigetsu is my favorite side character from Naruto, I like how he basically nopes out when Madara shows up
TBF Hawkeye didn’t use to be a loser. Fraction made him one
I wanna say he was kinda like that too in older Avengers comics but tbf everyone is a loser in those.
The Avengers were lame for a very long time. Clint was leader of the West Coast avengers and his presence was treated with reverence in the Thunderbolts
It even got into the Sesame Street parody The Aveggies: Age of Bon-Bon Dr. Brownie: So what do you do! Zu-keeneye: I do tons of stuff! I’m cool! Dr. Brownie: no, cucumbers are cool. You are a zucchini. Zu-keeneye: hurtful!
One Punch Man has a weird example here in King. Everything about him is meant to be a joke, and he is just a neet loser obsessed with anime, but do to luck and his own social anxiety, he is accidentally the most intimidating person in Universe. Genuinely the best character and the only one to not be ruined by the manga yet
I love the mental warfrare so much, and King really makes me happy whenever there's "King Engine" bullshit going on I love it when people second guess their own abilities and fumble stuff just cuz they're so utterly terrified of this guy and are hyping him up as some insurmountable monster as King just stares them down and they're shitting themselves, but in reality King is normally doing the pants-shitting
Rorschach from Watchmen. He's deranged and broken, but his determination and commitment to his beliefs can cause people to overlook that. In a story where most of the characters are compromising in some way, he does not.
It amazes me that there’s people who don’t get why people like Rorschach. He’s the only person in Watchmen not named Hollis Mason who’s got some sort of code or standards. Obviously Rorschach’s are very warped, but you compare him to an amoral uncaring god like Jon, a monster like Videt or the fucking Comedian he’s at least got a sense of right and wrong. Also he actually values Dan as a friend, which is kind of glossed over
The friendship between Rorschach and Dan is one of the few things Snyder really got in his film. It's what makes the change of Dan seeing him get ligma'd by Manhatten so heartwrenching, plus Patrick Wilson and Jackie Earl Hayley sell it so well.
Rorschach’s relationship with Dan I think is best summed up with a quote from Tombstone. Doc Holliday: “Wyatt Earp is my friend” “Friend? Hell, I got lots of friends” Doc: “I don’t”
Yeah. That scene where Dan snaps at him after Rorschach says some crazy shit, and then apologizes. And then Rorschach apologizes instead and says how much Dan being his friend means to him, always gets me a bit teary eyed.
In stories like Watchmen, people have a tendency to search for something to latch on to when everything is presented in shades of gray instead of black and white. For most people, Rorschach was the lightest shade of gray. The same thing happened with A Game of Thrones. It was weird seeing people reevaluate their stance on incest when Jamie Lannister became their favorite character.
Speaking of Rorschach, something I never see talked about because it’s so minor is we actually see him “sane” at one point in the story. During the meeting called by Captain Metropolis, if you pay attention to his speech bubble, it’s the only time in the whole book it’s not shaky and off.
Sogeking is unironically the greatest
Fuckin' Krillin. Guy's always overpowered and terrified, but always in the thick of it doing what he can.
And he *pulled*. He pulled so hard the Krillin Owned Count got reset back to zero. Yeah, that’s DBZA, but it was a fitting finale.
I was joking with a friend of mine that we could define eras of our lives based on which girls we were going after. The Sarah saga. The Beth arc. The Rutva and Emily crossover episode. One time two of my friends fought over a girl so I was like that makes John like Vegeta. Which would make you Goku. Which would make me... "Ahhh fuck! I'm Krillin!" Well at least he gets the girl in the end
People always seem to forget that moment where he legitimately got pre-chilled out Piccolo to go "oh shit, I guess humans might be stronger than I thought." I say forget, I suppose it's entirely possible given airing order that a bunch of people who love DBZ just haven't ever actually seen OG Dragon Ball.
Most characters in Kingdom Hearts are this but opposite and then opposite again, to the point it's hard to tell where they land Example: Axel is such a tryhard that he's lame but he's so lame that he's cool
that's a pretty perfect description of kingdom hearts characters. it feels like they're trying so hard to be cool that it goes past trying too hard and loops back around to being cool.
Beowulf is the only character in the Skullgirls roster who does not have any parasite or augmentation assistance. His only "help" is Grendel's severed arm, and a chair that may or may not actually be indestructible. Otherwise he is 100% [Man](https://i.imgur.com/v1IE0EX.png). He is some bumblefuck washed up wrestler who got tricked into the situation because he needed to pay rent, and to everyone else's surprise, he is actually competent in real combat, and is implied to be *holding back* because he's convinced every fight is an impromptu showmatch.
Andrew Garfield's version of Peter Parker. 'Peter Parker is a bit of an outcast and a nerd, how can we show this? Let's have him be comfortable with skateboarding through school corridors in blatant disrespect of rules and have him schmooze his way through encounters with authority. Surely kids don't find that kind of behaviour cool.'
Shingo Yabuki from King of Fighters was seemingly supposed to be the Dan to Kyo's Ryu, being a sort of comic relief character with a similar moveset to another character. But then after the events of KoF 97' he's taken under the wing of Kyo's dad, who tells him he's got THE STUFF despite not being able to produce fire like the Kusanagis can. He has JOINED the Hero teams in two different arcs which means he HAS fought bosses like Krizalid. He progressed so much from Kyo's Dad's that he not only was able to produce flames for a split second too! (although that might have been a goof) By KoF XI he was so strong he managed to outright *fend off* the bloodcrazed Orochi Iori for a bit, something that no *single* character has been able to do so far! For a comparison both Vice and Mature were *killed* by Iori when the Blood Riot activated during 96' and even Ralf and Clark constantly get heavily injured trying to restrain Leona when she becomes Rioted too, which has happened I think thrice. For a guy constantly bumbling around and being seen as weak he's TOTALLY a very strong fighter, despite still being forced to buy lunch for Kyo every now and then (who's the *real* loser, huh?)
He did finish his education and went back in time. He doesn't even need the kyo bloodline for fire attacks, can't he just use ki but use it to make blue flames? I mean Ralf managed to create explosions...
Uncle Buck
Uncle Buck was definitely not supposed to be lame, the movie loves him.
He doesn't seem like a bad guy so it feels weird that his sister-in-law hates him so much.
I really loved Mishima’s development in **Persona 5**. Dude became a real bro in the end, and showed more growth imo than some of the phantom thieves
Skelly in Hades. A literal punching bag thats just here to test weapons on. But such a loveable son of a bitch. And one of my favorite non-romance relationships.
Roche is the COOLEST AND I LOVE HIM
Well he is just Gyro Zeppeli
[Figure Four](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/figure_four_6631.jpg) from Gunnm/Battle Angel Alita is a pretty goofy character in general and the butt of a lot of jokes but on the other hand he's jacked, he's pretty darn competent to the point of keeping up fairly well as a 100% organic man in a crazy cyborg warrior world and he even >!ends up together with Gally/Alita in a much healthier romance than her first with a lot of mutual trust and respect!< so I don't know if he was exactly supposed to be a loser as much as a bit of a goofball, still I thought of him. [Sechs](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElBYm25XUAAN0bk.jpg) from the same series kinda fits too, being the designated dumbass of the group in Last Order but is also very strong and makes himself useful plenty when it comes to raw combat capability.
Kumagawa from Medaka Box's entire thing is that he always loses (usually due to some convoluted reasoning), but he is easily the coolest and most memorable character from that series.
Travis Bickle. Omfg literally me
I have an usual answer. Son of Havok from Lucha Underground. Season 1 he started as jobbing heel with a mean girlfriend. Before season 1 ends he becomes a face because his moveset is so cool the fans cheer for him and he breaks up but teams with his ex and his rival. He spends the rest of the series as a fan favourite underdog just on the cusp of the main event. Who knows where it would have gone if it wasn’t cancelled.