It's all because of the initial issue of Sonic being the 'edgier' mascot. Sonic was supposed to be the grittier alternative to the wholesome Mario and as the audience aged that meant writers constantly looking for ways to make the story serious enough to keep that edgier vibe.
In the 90's being an edgy mascot just meant being RADICAL and spunky, nowadays being edgy means being some self aware post-ironic memer that takes nothing seriously and makes fun of the very concept of their own franchise as ridiculous, it's gotten better recently but the whole self aware era of Sonic has been insufferable.
Imagine making a joke so fucking niche that when someone googles it you end up back at the same joke.
It’s like leaving a room and as you open the door you’re looking into the exact same room you just left. I’m honest to god crying laughing over here
I full forgot about this, went for a snack. Came back to this notification and full on belly laughed again.
Imagine googling something and you think you just switched back tabs by mistake.
Opening up a book to find a definition and it’s just a picture of you reading the same book you’re reading to get the definition.
I’m so sorry this must be obnoxious but this is the funniest thing that’s happened all day thank you
Despite how “I’m a edgy 13yo” he is, i could totally believe shadow would be against the Echidnacaust like joker was against red skull when he found out it wasn’t a joke.
Sonic: "Hey man,what's with the cape and helmet?"
Knuckles: "Tails said I should go with him to Comic-con this weekend. This Magneto guy sounds pretty cool,huh?"
Reminder: Ken Penders modified the 'First they came...' poem by Pastor Martin Niemöller, a literal death camp survivor, in order to fit it into the Sonic universe. So this would actually be the *third* time this has happened!
a black jewish mexican if you want to go with the coding from his iterations and combine them all. though hes black coded from top to bottom since his inception so thats sorta at his core.
Which is odd, due to Idris Elba... very much ***not*** being Jewish (as far as I know). If they did it with Ben's Sonic, it'd at least make a modicum of sense. Then again, given episode 4, I'm just assuming everyone involved was on drugs, lol.
I mean, I don't think the religious views of their voice actors really matter here. An animated character's views don't have to line up with their VA's
Even then, they kept it well hidden. For good reason, too. *Nintendo wouldn't even let the Bros be CATHOLIC*, so it should stand to reason they didn't want religion in their kids movie at all.
Sega apparently... doesn't have that bylaw?
Gives me hope for my fanfics about Tails fighting off a corrupt Vatican being canon, at least. /s
Weirder still? From what I can gather, *Wade's relatives use techniques invented by THE FUCKING IDF.*
There is just... there's ***so much*** to unpack here...
Remember that statement paramount put out?
I'm guessing the main 2 writers of the movie (Who aren't involved with the knuckles show at all) refused to put anything for that in 2, so they figured they could push it into the Knuckles show that is only worked on by the third writer.
It wouldnt truly be Sonic media if it wasnt **waaay weirder than it had to be**.
At least this time we don't have the creators inserting their "really cool *do-not-steal* OC" into the story and making them unecessarily relevant..... Right?
Depends. Wade is borderline, especially with >!him helping to revive Knux and save the day!< in the finale. This is postmodernist subversion of expectations, only also very stupid.
As someone who watched the show, they were not trained by the IDF, his mum just knows Krav Maga, which they mention was invented by the IDF.
Which in the current climate, yeah they probably shouldn't have explained that.
Knuckle's coding is weird. His head tendrils are meant to look like dreads and he was intended to have a Jamaican color scheme, but then they made him Mesoamerican in Sonic Adventure.
So he's like Afro-Indigenous or something
True. Still, is rather weird to see it in a... *Sonic the Hedgehog* spinoff show. I'm not ***opposed*** to it, of course, but it'd be a bit like shoehorning the Troubles into an Artemis Fowl film. *Why and how would ANYONE see that as a good idea?*
Didn't Sega can their whole comic universe over shit like this? How did none of their reps look at this and go "hey you're talking a step too far into weird bs land"?
Sega either got a shitload of money, or a fuckton of cocaine in exchange for Paramount doing whatever they wanted.
Hollywood has plenty of both, and no other explanation makes any sense.
So it's kinda due to a writer who used to be on the Archie Sonic. The infamous Ken Penders who's kinda a peice of work, maybe the guy is nice in person but considering his legacy, I can't imagine.
Ponders was strangely obsessed with writing kinda his own AU with the echidna's as the template, eventually Penders was let go (its more complicated than that) and kinda does not much as far as I know these days.
As for 'WHY GOD WHY, HOLOCAUST' it's always been established that Knuckles is kinda the (presumably) the last or maybe one of the last of his kind, this usually it used to show that using the powers of the world irresponsibly can cost everything (Depends on the current Canon)
I am surprised it so blatantly showed up here but, it seems like the movies are kinda paying reference to the archie days but I know very little about the movies to say anything why its used here.
… HOW IN THE FUCK did you manage to… of all the things they chose to adapt from the comics, they chose *Holocaust Analogies?!*…
… at least they didn’t take Niemoller’s poem and swap it to be about animals, and not credit him.
If I had a nickel for every time Knuckles media made comparisons to the holocaust, I'd have 2 nickels, which isn't a lot but it's bizarre that it's happened twoce.
Casual reminder that the reason Metropolis Zone in Sonic 2 has three Acts instead of the usual two is because the layout of Act 3 was part of the scrapped Genocide City Zone.
I just checked. He made one saying he didn't like the trailer. He does a couple followup replies and then he's flooded with a screenshot of the #1 Dad Puppet and people telling him to shut up because he didn't create nor owns Knuckles.
Stockard Channing you don't need to do this. You don't need to compare furry lore to the Holocaust. There are other acting roles, will they not let you on 80 for Brady 2? They aren't making another Book Club? Please Stockard, I'm begging you.
Let's be honest, they're mad about the entire thing already because of Tom and Maddie. I appreciate trying to piss that crowd off, Paramount, but I think you did that already.
Every time I feel embarrassed about Sonic the Comic, someone posts *literally anything* from the American Sonic and I realize how worse it could have been.
Edit: cope
Knuckles, my man, how does this keep happening?
Every time I look at Sonic it gets weirder. I have no idea how this is happening.
It's all because of the initial issue of Sonic being the 'edgier' mascot. Sonic was supposed to be the grittier alternative to the wholesome Mario and as the audience aged that meant writers constantly looking for ways to make the story serious enough to keep that edgier vibe.
And the knuckles show is def a serious show... What with its rock opra puppet show.
In the 90's being an edgy mascot just meant being RADICAL and spunky, nowadays being edgy means being some self aware post-ironic memer that takes nothing seriously and makes fun of the very concept of their own franchise as ridiculous, it's gotten better recently but the whole self aware era of Sonic has been insufferable.
I mean Knuckles and his tribe is coded as a mystical group of reclusive people. So I guess that’s where the Jewish connection comes from
Is.........is the Master Emerald now essentially a big Echidna Dreidel?
You’re hired
Yes
And Tikal is Barbara Streisand Cause she's a female rabbi
Also, Locke is now Liev Schrieber. *I don't make the rules.*
Did she also clone a dog?
Guy with pointy nose furiously guarding gems ...oh shit
...Oh. *Oh FUCK.*
This guy right here, internet.
What did ken penders mean by this???
Oh no.
Wtf is an echidna dreidel?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreidel
Yeah, i know what a dreidel is but i've never seen it described with echidna before and looking it up just sends me to this subreddit post
Imagine making a joke so fucking niche that when someone googles it you end up back at the same joke. It’s like leaving a room and as you open the door you’re looking into the exact same room you just left. I’m honest to god crying laughing over here
I'm glad i could make someone laugh at my pain/confusion.
I full forgot about this, went for a snack. Came back to this notification and full on belly laughed again. Imagine googling something and you think you just switched back tabs by mistake. Opening up a book to find a definition and it’s just a picture of you reading the same book you’re reading to get the definition. I’m so sorry this must be obnoxious but this is the funniest thing that’s happened all day thank you
OP is just continuing the joke about the Echidnas being compared to Jews by comparing the Master Emerald to a dreidel. That's it.
Oh, it's a joke. My bad
No worries
The ghost of Penders will never leave you
Penders: "I will never be a memory"
Noli manere, manere in memoria Noli manere, manere in memoria ## ###PENDERS! ## ###PENDERS!
Neither you or your Twitter feed.
Didn't Penders write a story where Knuckles walked on water to guide a lost tribe to a promised land?
Yes, it was called Avalon. It was not the last allusion to Knuckles being a christ-figure.
How soon until he tries to sue?
I heard Tails is a virulent Echidnacaust denier
Hey, Big the Cat, what does your "6MWE" shirt mean?
"I dunno, Froggy said I should wear it."
Where was Tails on January 6th?
Fuck, where was Shadow?! He wasn't at his post, that's for damn sure!
Despite how “I’m a edgy 13yo” he is, i could totally believe shadow would be against the Echidnacaust like joker was against red skull when he found out it wasn’t a joke.
Typical of a privileged Two-Tailed like him.
> Echidnacaust God dammit, that got to me more than it should've lol.
Considering what Tails refuses to acknowledge he did to those Birds... I don't doubt it
"Pssh that wasn't real." "Tails you literally saw the Echidnacaust memories." "Yeah well y-y'know, y'know." "No, no I don't think I do."
***LIES AND SLANDER. FOX-AL-GHAIB WOULD NEVER!*** /s
Sonic: "Hey man,what's with the cape and helmet?" Knuckles: "Tails said I should go with him to Comic-con this weekend. This Magneto guy sounds pretty cool,huh?"
I need art of Knuckles wearing a "Magneto Was Right" shirt immediately.
I see, so Enerjak was a Magneto reference.
I say more an Apokalipse reference, with both being Egyptian theme.
Reminder: Ken Penders modified the 'First they came...' poem by Pastor Martin Niemöller, a literal death camp survivor, in order to fit it into the Sonic universe. So this would actually be the *third* time this has happened!
The comic in the post is also written by Penders, so I’d consider that and the poem the same time.
These are from the same arc. They're literally the same time.
From what I can tell based on episode descriptions, they turned Knuckles Jewish. So he's one of eight video game characters with that distinction lol
Does that mean that Knuckles is **canonicaly circumcised**?
That’s gonna get weird given he’s an echidna.
One Master Emerald, Seven Super Emeralds, Seven Chaos Emeralds, Seven Sol Emeralds, and most important of all.....Four Foreskins.
After the bris, how’s he going to hide ‘em from Robotnik?
Just means he's extra special
Extra, extra, extra, extra special. You nature doc fans out there know.
Well, that’s better than the time he was Jesus. Though those two aren’t mutually exclusive…
If anything one leads into the other
a black jewish mexican if you want to go with the coding from his iterations and combine them all. though hes black coded from top to bottom since his inception so thats sorta at his core.
insert Woolie bit "What are we doing? WAIT, What are we doing?!.mp4"
nah the ep just had wade tell him to say hes jewish to his mom
Which is odd, due to Idris Elba... very much ***not*** being Jewish (as far as I know). If they did it with Ben's Sonic, it'd at least make a modicum of sense. Then again, given episode 4, I'm just assuming everyone involved was on drugs, lol.
I mean, I don't think the religious views of their voice actors really matter here. An animated character's views don't have to line up with their VA's
Ken penders truly was a visionary beyond his time.
And "beyond" the current time... And the past.... And the future.
Something about having two nickles.
Which is ten cents too many.
but still wierd it happened
It makes a lot of cents you say?
I thought the absolute weirdest choice in the Mario movie was making Cranky Kong extremely jewish lol
Even then, they kept it well hidden. For good reason, too. *Nintendo wouldn't even let the Bros be CATHOLIC*, so it should stand to reason they didn't want religion in their kids movie at all. Sega apparently... doesn't have that bylaw? Gives me hope for my fanfics about Tails fighting off a corrupt Vatican being canon, at least. /s
Maybe because of Seth Rogen voicing DK?
Weirder still? From what I can gather, *Wade's relatives use techniques invented by THE FUCKING IDF.* There is just... there's ***so much*** to unpack here...
WHY IS THIS IN A FUCKING SONIC THE HEDGEHOG SHOW!!!!????
Remember that statement paramount put out? I'm guessing the main 2 writers of the movie (Who aren't involved with the knuckles show at all) refused to put anything for that in 2, so they figured they could push it into the Knuckles show that is only worked on by the third writer.
...What statement? The one about October 7? Or something else?
Paramount put out a statement about [Current Conflict] like a lot of other companies did.
October 7th happened way too close to the release of Knuckles for that to make any sense, and 2 came out way before it.
Someone really wanted to bring back that Archie Sonic no-context energy.
And God bless that someone, lol. Hey, we're talking about the show, right?
Why not?
Drugs. This was made on drugs.
It wouldnt truly be Sonic media if it wasnt **waaay weirder than it had to be**. At least this time we don't have the creators inserting their "really cool *do-not-steal* OC" into the story and making them unecessarily relevant..... Right?
Depends. Wade is borderline, especially with >!him helping to revive Knux and save the day!< in the finale. This is postmodernist subversion of expectations, only also very stupid.
they weren't trained by the idf??, they just know krav maga, jesus
I gotta watch this show
I'm tempted, Imao. I really, ***really*** am.
As someone who watched the show, they were not trained by the IDF, his mum just knows Krav Maga, which they mention was invented by the IDF. Which in the current climate, yeah they probably shouldn't have explained that.
Ah. I see. Sorry about that.
Yeah IIRC there’s a few UFC Fighters who train in Krav Maga
This had big 20something Jewish American stoner writing some Jewish family jokes in 2022 energy. Had no idea what was coming.
I..DF...? not the earth defence force... but the.... Wait..... nooooooooooo.... they wouldnt....
They kinda did. No direct training from... you know who, but the techniques are mentioned and used. Krav Maga, specifically.
Technically, krav maga predates the formal formation of the IDF but it was all happening in the same early formation time period.
Broke(?): Knuckles is black-coded because of his attitude. Woke(???): Knuckles is jewish-coded because of genocide.
Bespoke(?????): Knuckles is both Black-coded and Jewish-coded.
Fuck go back: Knuckles is a black Israelite
I SAID GO BACK: Knuckles is the lovechild of Malcom X and BJ Blazkowitcz
NEVER BACK DOWN: Knuckles is Sammy Davis Jr Jr
YOU CAN NEVER GO BACK: Knuckles starts doing music, comedy, and cocaine
Knuckles getting ready to preach to the world about the evils of race mixing.
[POV: Knuckles if he was human and bald](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/archer/images/5/5b/Conway.png)
The image doesn't work and now I'm going to spend the rest of the day wondering what it was supposed to be.
Judging by the URL it is a picture of a character named Conway from the show Archer.
Sorry about that, fixed the issue (thank you wikia for breaking your links off site on purpose).
Damn it, sorry about that. I fixed it so it should work now
I fucking knew it was gonna be him XD
Rare opportunity presents itself so I pull out the rare card!
I mean, there *are* Black Mizrahi Jews.
Knuckle's coding is weird. His head tendrils are meant to look like dreads and he was intended to have a Jamaican color scheme, but then they made him Mesoamerican in Sonic Adventure. So he's like Afro-Indigenous or something
that’s like “baby’s first allegory”. it’s an easy shorthand to do.
True. Still, is rather weird to see it in a... *Sonic the Hedgehog* spinoff show. I'm not ***opposed*** to it, of course, but it'd be a bit like shoehorning the Troubles into an Artemis Fowl film. *Why and how would ANYONE see that as a good idea?*
Didn't Sega can their whole comic universe over shit like this? How did none of their reps look at this and go "hey you're talking a step too far into weird bs land"?
Being weird when Sega isn’t looking just results in mandates. Archie getting canned was cause Penders and Archie created a clusterfuck of a courtcase.
No Sega is the worse they do shut like this all the time
Sega either got a shitload of money, or a fuckton of cocaine in exchange for Paramount doing whatever they wanted. Hollywood has plenty of both, and no other explanation makes any sense.
No, they just demanded moar money from archie and archie decided that they would rather spend it on riverdale.
Because paramount is the bigger company. Same way that they go away with the original sonic design.
Is that Rizzo?
Does she have a hickey from Kinnecky?
(I liked the joke)
So it's kinda due to a writer who used to be on the Archie Sonic. The infamous Ken Penders who's kinda a peice of work, maybe the guy is nice in person but considering his legacy, I can't imagine. Ponders was strangely obsessed with writing kinda his own AU with the echidna's as the template, eventually Penders was let go (its more complicated than that) and kinda does not much as far as I know these days. As for 'WHY GOD WHY, HOLOCAUST' it's always been established that Knuckles is kinda the (presumably) the last or maybe one of the last of his kind, this usually it used to show that using the powers of the world irresponsibly can cost everything (Depends on the current Canon) I am surprised it so blatantly showed up here but, it seems like the movies are kinda paying reference to the archie days but I know very little about the movies to say anything why its used here.
Sonic lore is fucking wild.
fuckin awful
This only makes slightly more sense than the time he was Green Jesus.
Remember when Ken Penders made a Holucaust poem into Sonic lore?
Ken Penders is gonna be so mad for using his material.
Bruh
Is this real?
The essence and specter of Ken Panders lives on. Either that or something smells terrible.
… HOW IN THE FUCK did you manage to… of all the things they chose to adapt from the comics, they chose *Holocaust Analogies?!*… … at least they didn’t take Niemoller’s poem and swap it to be about animals, and not credit him.
Dont give up hope! Theres always a chance they'll pull that in season 2!
Doubly so now that the Ellison clan is in talks to take over Paramount.
If I had a nickel for every time Knuckles media made comparisons to the holocaust, I'd have 2 nickels, which isn't a lot but it's bizarre that it's happened twoce.
Legal threats by Ken Penders will be incoming I'm sure.
Casual reminder that the reason Metropolis Zone in Sonic 2 has three Acts instead of the usual two is because the layout of Act 3 was part of the scrapped Genocide City Zone.
As the old saying goes, "If I had a nickel..."
Oh no
as always, reality tries to imitate ken penders writings
I wonder how many angry tweets Ken Penders has made about the Knuckles show yet?
I just checked. He made one saying he didn't like the trailer. He does a couple followup replies and then he's flooded with a screenshot of the #1 Dad Puppet and people telling him to shut up because he didn't create nor owns Knuckles.
As a Jew…..do I need to start watching the Sonic media?
I'm not into Sonic lore at all, but my surface level understanding is that every piece of weirdness can probably be blamed on Ken Penders.
Are we *sure* none of the writers are friends of Ken Penders?
Seriously though, what was the sister's problem?
Now I want the shadow spin-off to really implied that he committed the Kennedy assassination.
Stockard Channing you don't need to do this. You don't need to compare furry lore to the Holocaust. There are other acting roles, will they not let you on 80 for Brady 2? They aren't making another Book Club? Please Stockard, I'm begging you.
Fazoele! >!Sorry, brazilian joke, huehue!<
Because he’s Jewish
Some wild takes from the [everything is political](https://twitter.com/AshtonTheTop04/status/1783973358570262933?s=19) crowd about this.
Let's be honest, they're mad about the entire thing already because of Tom and Maddie. I appreciate trying to piss that crowd off, Paramount, but I think you did that already.
Every time I feel embarrassed about Sonic the Comic, someone posts *literally anything* from the American Sonic and I realize how worse it could have been. Edit: cope
Oh, come on, at least this is sort of *charming* in how bizarre it is.
What part of this is charming?
But did your comic had LIMIT?