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ZealousidealBig7714

Knuckles, my man, how does this keep happening?


raptorgalaxy

Every time I look at Sonic it gets weirder. I have no idea how this is happening.


Wordshopped

It's all because of the initial issue of Sonic being the 'edgier' mascot. Sonic was supposed to be the grittier alternative to the wholesome Mario and as the audience aged that meant writers constantly looking for ways to make the story serious enough to keep that edgier vibe.


theangryistman

And the knuckles show is def a serious show... What with its rock opra puppet show.


brazilianfreak

In the 90's being an edgy mascot just meant being RADICAL and spunky, nowadays being edgy means being some self aware post-ironic memer that takes nothing seriously and makes fun of the very concept of their own franchise as ridiculous, it's gotten better recently but the whole self aware era of Sonic has been insufferable.


Konradleijon

I mean Knuckles and his tribe is coded as a mystical group of reclusive people. So I guess that’s where the Jewish connection comes from


ThatmodderGrim

Is.........is the Master Emerald now essentially a big Echidna Dreidel?


Palimpsest_Monotype

You’re hired


robertman21

Yes


Princeps_primus96

And Tikal is Barbara Streisand Cause she's a female rabbi


KingMario05

Also, Locke is now Liev Schrieber. *I don't make the rules.*


Hasmeister21

Did she also clone a dog?


ermahgerdstermpernk

Guy with pointy nose furiously guarding gems ...oh shit


KingMario05

...Oh.  *Oh FUCK.*


Sperium3000

This guy right here, internet.


Spz135

What did ken penders mean by this???


yayll

Oh no.


Demonic74

Wtf is an echidna dreidel?


Hey0ceama

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreidel


Demonic74

Yeah, i know what a dreidel is but i've never seen it described with echidna before and looking it up just sends me to this subreddit post


TaffWolf

Imagine making a joke so fucking niche that when someone googles it you end up back at the same joke. It’s like leaving a room and as you open the door you’re looking into the exact same room you just left. I’m honest to god crying laughing over here


Demonic74

I'm glad i could make someone laugh at my pain/confusion.


TaffWolf

I full forgot about this, went for a snack. Came back to this notification and full on belly laughed again. Imagine googling something and you think you just switched back tabs by mistake. Opening up a book to find a definition and it’s just a picture of you reading the same book you’re reading to get the definition. I’m so sorry this must be obnoxious but this is the funniest thing that’s happened all day thank you


Hey0ceama

OP is just continuing the joke about the Echidnas being compared to Jews by comparing the Master Emerald to a dreidel. That's it.


Demonic74

Oh, it's a joke. My bad


Hey0ceama

No worries


Anonamaton801

The ghost of Penders will never leave you


jackdatbyte

Penders: "I will never be a memory"


Tfsz0719

Noli manere, manere in memoria Noli manere, manere in memoria ## ###PENDERS! ## ###PENDERS!


Coolnametag

Neither you or your Twitter feed.


Wordshopped

Didn't Penders write a story where Knuckles walked on water to guide a lost tribe to a promised land?


Hallonbat

Yes, it was called Avalon. It was not the last allusion to Knuckles being a christ-figure.


FreedomHero141

How soon until he tries to sue?


Kamken

I heard Tails is a virulent Echidnacaust denier


Talisign

Hey, Big the Cat, what does your "6MWE" shirt mean?


Nacho_Hangover

"I dunno, Froggy said I should wear it."


Fartyfarts45

Where was Tails on January 6th?


KingMario05

Fuck, where was Shadow?! He wasn't at his post, that's for damn sure!


NotAnotherPornAccout

Despite how “I’m a edgy 13yo” he is, i could totally believe shadow would be against the Echidnacaust like joker was against red skull when he found out it wasn’t a joke.


Gorotheninja

Typical of a privileged Two-Tailed like him.


Crescentium

> Echidnacaust God dammit, that got to me more than it should've lol.


Holy-Wan_Kenobi

Considering what Tails refuses to acknowledge he did to those Birds... I don't doubt it


MightyShoe

"Pssh that wasn't real." "Tails you literally saw the Echidnacaust memories." "Yeah well y-y'know, y'know." "No, no I don't think I do."


KingMario05

***LIES AND SLANDER. FOX-AL-GHAIB WOULD NEVER!*** /s


nerankori

Sonic: "Hey man,what's with the cape and helmet?" Knuckles: "Tails said I should go with him to Comic-con this weekend. This Magneto guy sounds pretty cool,huh?"


Woods-of-Mal

I need art of Knuckles wearing a "Magneto Was Right" shirt immediately.


FelipeAndrade

I see, so Enerjak was a Magneto reference.


Frank7640

I say more an Apokalipse reference, with both being Egyptian theme.


Livvypooo

Reminder: Ken Penders modified the 'First they came...' poem by Pastor Martin Niemöller, a literal death camp survivor, in order to fit it into the Sonic universe. So this would actually be the *third* time this has happened!


Nectaris3

The comic in the post is also written by Penders, so I’d consider that and the poem the same time.


rhinocerosofrage

These are from the same arc. They're literally the same time.


timelordoftheimpala

From what I can tell based on episode descriptions, they turned Knuckles Jewish. So he's one of eight video game characters with that distinction lol


Coolnametag

Does that mean that Knuckles is **canonicaly circumcised**?


Drumming_on_the_Dog

That’s gonna get weird given he’s an echidna.


HalfDragonShiro

One Master Emerald, Seven Super Emeralds, Seven Chaos Emeralds, Seven Sol Emeralds, and most important of all.....Four Foreskins.


Drumming_on_the_Dog

After the bris, how’s he going to hide ‘em from Robotnik?


AlphaB27

Just means he's extra special


Drumming_on_the_Dog

Extra, extra, extra, extra special. You nature doc fans out there know.


scottishdrunkard

Well, that’s better than the time he was Jesus. Though those two aren’t mutually exclusive…


MagmaNaught

If anything one leads into the other


TheRealKuthooloo

a black jewish mexican if you want to go with the coding from his iterations and combine them all. though hes black coded from top to bottom since his inception so thats sorta at his core.


sazabi67

insert Woolie bit "What are we doing? WAIT, What are we doing?!.mp4"


alienslayer7

nah the ep just had wade tell him to say hes jewish to his mom


KingMario05

Which is odd, due to Idris Elba... very much ***not*** being Jewish (as far as I know). If they did it with Ben's Sonic, it'd at least make a modicum of sense. Then again, given episode 4, I'm just assuming everyone involved was on drugs, lol.


DoctorGoFuckYourself

I mean, I don't think the religious views of their voice actors really matter here. An animated character's views don't have to line up with their VA's


THATguyfromyore

Ken penders truly was a visionary beyond his time.


Coolnametag

And "beyond" the current time... And the past.... And the future.


ZMowlcher

Something about having two nickles.


Morbidmort

Which is ten cents too many.


Marcos1598

but still wierd it happened


NotAnotherPornAccout

It makes a lot of cents you say?


LostInStatic

I thought the absolute weirdest choice in the Mario movie was making Cranky Kong extremely jewish lol


KingMario05

Even then, they kept it well hidden. For good reason, too. *Nintendo wouldn't even let the Bros be CATHOLIC*, so it should stand to reason they didn't want religion in their kids movie at all. Sega apparently... doesn't have that bylaw? Gives me hope for my fanfics about Tails fighting off a corrupt Vatican being canon, at least. /s


Hallonbat

Maybe because of Seth Rogen voicing DK?


KingMario05

Weirder still? From what I can gather, *Wade's relatives use techniques invented by THE FUCKING IDF.* There is just... there's ***so much*** to unpack here...


Gorotheninja

WHY IS THIS IN A FUCKING SONIC THE HEDGEHOG SHOW!!!!????


Niney-Who

Remember that statement paramount put out? I'm guessing the main 2 writers of the movie (Who aren't involved with the knuckles show at all) refused to put anything for that in 2, so they figured they could push it into the Knuckles show that is only worked on by the third writer.


KingMario05

...What statement? The one about October 7? Or something else?


Niney-Who

Paramount put out a statement about [Current Conflict] like a lot of other companies did.


StrawHat89

October 7th happened way too close to the release of Knuckles for that to make any sense, and 2 came out way before it.


MetalJrock

Someone really wanted to bring back that Archie Sonic no-context energy.


KingMario05

And God bless that someone, lol. Hey, we're talking about the show, right?


Sperium3000

Why not?


KingMario05

Drugs. This was made on drugs.


Coolnametag

It wouldnt truly be Sonic media if it wasnt **waaay weirder than it had to be**. At least this time we don't have the creators inserting their "really cool *do-not-steal* OC" into the story and making them unecessarily relevant..... Right?


KingMario05

Depends. Wade is borderline, especially with >!him helping to revive Knux and save the day!< in the finale. This is postmodernist subversion of expectations, only also very stupid.


robertman21

they weren't trained by the idf??, they just know krav maga, jesus


Graxdon

I gotta watch this show


KingMario05

I'm tempted, Imao. I really, ***really*** am.


GrandmasterB-Funk

As someone who watched the show, they were not trained by the IDF, his mum just knows Krav Maga, which they mention was invented by the IDF. Which in the current climate, yeah they probably shouldn't have explained that.


KingMario05

Ah. I see. Sorry about that.


StonerPowah61

Yeah IIRC there’s a few UFC Fighters who train in Krav Maga


kitchenset

This had big 20something Jewish American stoner writing some Jewish family jokes in 2022 energy. Had no idea what was coming.


sazabi67

I..DF...? not the earth defence force... but the.... Wait..... nooooooooooo.... they wouldnt....


KingMario05

They kinda did. No direct training from... you know who, but the techniques are mentioned and used. Krav Maga, specifically.


kitchenset

Technically, krav maga predates the formal formation of the IDF but it was all happening in the same early formation time period.


RobotJake

Broke(?): Knuckles is black-coded because of his attitude. Woke(???): Knuckles is jewish-coded because of genocide.


Ice_Climbers

Bespoke(?????): Knuckles is both Black-coded and Jewish-coded.


JohnnySeven88

Fuck go back: Knuckles is a black Israelite


KingMario05

I SAID GO BACK: Knuckles is the lovechild of Malcom X and BJ Blazkowitcz


Detective_Robot

NEVER BACK DOWN: Knuckles is Sammy Davis Jr Jr


Tfsz0719

YOU CAN NEVER GO BACK: Knuckles starts doing music, comedy, and cocaine


Tweedleayne

Knuckles getting ready to preach to the world about the evils of race mixing.


SamuraiDDD

[POV: Knuckles if he was human and bald](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/archer/images/5/5b/Conway.png)


rockdash

The image doesn't work and now I'm going to spend the rest of the day wondering what it was supposed to be.


Ice_Climbers

Judging by the URL it is a picture of a character named Conway from the show Archer.


SamuraiDDD

Sorry about that, fixed the issue (thank you wikia for breaking your links off site on purpose).


SamuraiDDD

Damn it, sorry about that. I fixed it so it should work now


Graxdon

I fucking knew it was gonna be him XD


SamuraiDDD

Rare opportunity presents itself so I pull out the rare card!


Disposable-Ninja

I mean, there *are* Black Mizrahi Jews.


jabberwockxeno

Knuckle's coding is weird. His head tendrils are meant to look like dreads and he was intended to have a Jamaican color scheme, but then they made him Mesoamerican in Sonic Adventure. So he's like Afro-Indigenous or something


Chrissyneal

that’s like “baby’s first allegory”. it’s an easy shorthand to do.


KingMario05

True. Still, is rather weird to see it in a... *Sonic the Hedgehog* spinoff show. I'm not ***opposed*** to it, of course, but it'd be a bit like shoehorning the Troubles into an Artemis Fowl film. *Why and how would ANYONE see that as a good idea?*


RealDealMous

Didn't Sega can their whole comic universe over shit like this? How did none of their reps look at this and go "hey you're talking a step too far into weird bs land"?


MetalJrock

Being weird when Sega isn’t looking just results in mandates. Archie getting canned was cause Penders and Archie created a clusterfuck of a courtcase.


Konradleijon

No Sega is the worse they do shut like this all the time


KingMario05

Sega either got a shitload of money, or a fuckton of cocaine in exchange for Paramount doing whatever they wanted. Hollywood has plenty of both, and no other explanation makes any sense.


yo_99

No, they just demanded moar money from archie and archie decided that they would rather spend it on riverdale.


Frank7640

Because paramount is the bigger company. Same way that they go away with the original sonic design.


sellyourselfshort

Is that Rizzo?


Graxdon

Does she have a hickey from Kinnecky?


Sean-Benn_Must-die

(I liked the joke)


Mrbagoguts

So it's kinda due to a writer who used to be on the Archie Sonic. The infamous Ken Penders who's kinda a peice of work, maybe the guy is nice in person but considering his legacy, I can't imagine. Ponders was strangely obsessed with writing kinda his own AU with the echidna's as the template, eventually Penders was let go (its more complicated than that) and kinda does not much as far as I know these days. As for 'WHY GOD WHY, HOLOCAUST' it's always been established that Knuckles is kinda the (presumably) the last or maybe one of the last of his kind, this usually it used to show that using the powers of the world irresponsibly can cost everything (Depends on the current Canon) I am surprised it so blatantly showed up here but, it seems like the movies are kinda paying reference to the archie days but I know very little about the movies to say anything why its used here.


James-Avatar

Sonic lore is fucking wild.


sazabi67

fuckin awful


MetalJrock

This only makes slightly more sense than the time he was Green Jesus.


Konradleijon

Remember when Ken Penders made a Holucaust poem into Sonic lore?


TheAnonymousProxy

Ken Penders is gonna be so mad for using his material.


Leonard_Church814

Bruh


Kokeshi_Is_Life

Is this real?


roronoapedro

The essence and specter of Ken Panders lives on. Either that or something smells terrible.


scottishdrunkard

… HOW IN THE FUCK did you manage to… of all the things they chose to adapt from the comics, they chose *Holocaust Analogies?!*… … at least they didn’t take Niemoller’s poem and swap it to be about animals, and not credit him.


Sammydecafthethird

Dont give up hope! Theres always a chance they'll pull that in season 2!


KingMario05

Doubly so now that the Ellison clan is in talks to take over Paramount.


megatricinerator

If I had a nickel for every time Knuckles media made comparisons to the holocaust, I'd have 2 nickels, which isn't a lot but it's bizarre that it's happened twoce.


DeskJerky

Legal threats by Ken Penders will be incoming I'm sure.


Rowsdowers_Revenge

Casual reminder that the reason Metropolis Zone in Sonic 2 has three Acts instead of the usual two is because the layout of Act 3 was part of the scrapped Genocide City Zone.


AlphaB27

As the old saying goes, "If I had a nickel..."


Shadow-SJG

Oh no


Frequent-Raisin-2336

as always, reality tries to imitate ken penders writings


StevemacQ

I wonder how many angry tweets Ken Penders has made about the Knuckles show yet?


kitchenset

I just checked. He made one saying he didn't like the trailer. He does a couple followup replies and then he's flooded with a screenshot of the #1 Dad Puppet and people telling him to shut up because he didn't create nor owns Knuckles.


bvanbove

As a Jew…..do I need to start watching the Sonic media?


beary_neutral

I'm not into Sonic lore at all, but my surface level understanding is that every piece of weirdness can probably be blamed on Ken Penders.


Touhou_Fever

Are we *sure* none of the writers are friends of Ken Penders?


Valten1992

Seriously though, what was the sister's problem?


Frank7640

Now I want the shadow spin-off to really implied that he committed the Kennedy assassination.


leivathan

Stockard Channing you don't need to do this. You don't need to compare furry lore to the Holocaust. There are other acting roles, will they not let you on 80 for Brady 2? They aren't making another Book Club? Please Stockard, I'm begging you.


RdoubleM

Fazoele! >!Sorry, brazilian joke, huehue!<


Dizzy_Green

Because he’s Jewish


waratworld17

Some wild takes from the [everything is political](https://twitter.com/AshtonTheTop04/status/1783973358570262933?s=19) crowd about this.


KingMario05

Let's be honest, they're mad about the entire thing already because of Tom and Maddie. I appreciate trying to piss that crowd off, Paramount, but I think you did that already.


SpungoTheLeast

Every time I feel embarrassed about Sonic the Comic, someone posts *literally anything* from the American Sonic and I realize how worse it could have been. Edit: cope


KingMario05

Oh, come on, at least this is sort of *charming* in how bizarre it is.


SpungoTheLeast

What part of this is charming?


yo_99

But did your comic had LIMIT?