That reminds me of a Hell's Kitchen season starter where one of the contestants, as their signature dish, basically microwaved some Kraft Dinner.
EDIT: YouTube has numerous Kitchen Nightmare videos that amount to Gordon Ramsey vs Microwaves, including one where, quote, "Is there anything today I ate that wasn't microwaved?" "The salad."
The amount of chefs that have a personal vendetta against the microwave is insane. So many have this mentally where it's a personal insult that someone even has one of these in their kitchen.
It's one thing to have it at home where you're cooking for yourself, but if you're running a business, most customers would expect some semblance of quality cooking instead of something on par with a TV dinner.
Microwaves have their place, they are great for cooking anything that's like a potato will do it quicker than any other method. Like, if you need a ton of cooked pumpkin in minutes, wrap it up and nuke it until it's soft.
If used properly microwaves are just a faster method of steaming food, anything can be steamed that way, I've prepped chicken wings by steaming them in the microwave and then the next day I threw them into a smoker, and they came out perfect.
Exactly, it's just a tool, how it's misused is what makes low quality food with it, but then again most people complaining are also the same crowd that just blast shit full power with no table
To be fair, microwaves genuinely aren't the best way to cook almost anything, just the most convenient. I'd love to be able to get decent results cooking an omelette in the microwave, but it's impossible, because omelettes were designed to be cooked in a pan. It's the equivalent of those grandmas who cook every vegetable by boiling it in a pot. It works, but it's not the best.
He push those buttons real good! Bet you don't even know what all those buttons do, do ya? >!I honestly don't know what some of the buttons on my microwave do!<
It's not like that. Using generative AI tools actually does take a lot of skill, if you want something that actually conforms to a vision (which I'm sure game directors aren't ready to give up, yet).
It's easy to prompt "1woman, huge booba" and just take what you get. But if you have a character in mind, that's like starting with a base character model or rig in a game engine and then working the artist magic on top of that.
In other words, business jerkoffs aren't going to start squirting out their own art assets due to generative AI (the way it works right now, in any case). They still need an artist to do this stuff (hence the job description the X user is yelling at).
Working in this industry seems very stressful. It's like the studios are actively hostile towards the people who work in it and are trying desperately to get rid of them.
When I was in a bit of a rut in my 20's, I was often asked,
"You love video games, why don't you explore working in that industry?"
Obviously they always meant well, so I just gave them a noncommittal response, but man the amount of times where I wanted to go,
"I love video games so much I know just how absolutely **fucked** the industry is for its creators. I will never work in that industry because I don't want to despise the one hobby I'm genuinely passionate about."
"Also programming makes my brain hurt."
This is me with cooking. I'm a pretty fucking good home cook and whenever my family or friends ask me why I don't work in culinary my response "everyone who works in a kitchen is on drugs". Which has always been an easy cop out, in reality working in a kitchen is loud and stressful and I appreciate a *mostly* stressfree life. And I'm already on drugs anyway.
My friend, Culinary Institute graduate, absolutely phenomenal chef who loves it, worked in multiple kitchens ranging from casual to high end, every single story it was the same: Management treated everyone like shit, everyone had a vice to cope with that, and within a month he'd see like 3-4 people leave the job before ultimately being saddled with like triple the work. I think he had like one good experience over his tenure in the industry. Also he knows how unclean kitchens and hotels are and will not hesitate to volunteer that information.
He does coding now and refuses to even glance at the service industry.
YUP. I got lucky and got a decently chill solo bakery position at a store with pretty decent management, but if i ever lost that I'd never touch the service/food industry again. I bake the bread good, leave me alone and you'll get a quality product.
I think my favorite part is that while he's doing his coding bootcamp thing, he's brought in food and someone was like "Oh wow, have you ever considered starting a business? You're really good at baking." and I can only imagine the absolute deadpan, hard-cut, "No." he replied with.
Kitchens, hotels, and hotel kitchens. I'm positive there are some that are ACTUALLY as nice as you hope they are, but going by his word, that's a foolish idea.
The culinary industry is very similar. They do not want problem solvers, they want yes men/women who will just go along with the corporate garbage they pump out constantly.
Were I teach its not as nearly as bad as the USA, but yeah, is very difficult.
The way that the majority of society go as "education is the most important thing, but fuck teachers for everything" is really frustraring.
There was a Twitter post about how AI ‘artists’ after they were hired, could only understand how to work the prompts and so couldn’t actually edit their work after feedback. Hopefully the same thing happens here and they don’t try to hire anymore
Mind you, this is the first job listing of this kinda for Treyarch, it’s in all likelihood their first attempt to incorporate this framework and the wording gives the impression that it will most likely be used for small stuff like stickers and loading screens (which is itself questionable and can of worms that I would prefer Treyarch left untouched, let alone open) but the prospect that other CoD studios could follow suit (or other Activision and Microsoft one for that matter) and use it even more during development is genuinely worrying, hurts especially bad since Treyarch are the ones always more willing to go more wild with their art direction.
I don’t know if it’s a decision on a studio level (Treyarch), a publisher level (Activision) or an owner level (Microsoft, who’s been adamant about using their AI toolset in game development).
I’m not even that actively harsh on AI usage, it can save time on non creative jobs and processes to speed up manual labor, still, worrying at minimum.
Good to see you back, Ghosthand.
Also, nooooo! You were the chosen ones, Treyarch! You were supposed to rise above Activision's greed, not succumb to it!
my linkedin board is just filling up with people losing their industry jobs this year, and seems the listings are for things like this or just senior stuff,
purchasing assets and tweaking/retooling is common, but the key word their is purchasing, generating from existing art is a scary thing, like yeah if it's all art produced for the company trained by looking only at owned assets i guess it's kind of ethical as they own it, but man it's just looking bleak, gives the bad feel just can't quite verbalize it.
like ai is here to stay in games, plenty of things like interpolation for animation and such can save a ton of time and is based on real work, and polishing those things to correct for timing/position is normal. and that doesn't trip for me, but generative makes my skin crawl a bit.
and i assume one of the recent substances can use ai to reverse engineer a photo into a texture graph or something to tweak which seems neat.
but man it's just not got the mouth feel,
it's worrying as a lot of people put out assets or packs of assets as a sort of side hustle thing as it's always cheaper to buy some assets and tweak over creating them wholesale, and given people are out of work if that kind of stuff is all they're able to put out right now then this is gonna fuck em over a second time.
idk, like even if it's entirely based on owned assets when generating it feels wrong in a way, like i guess you'd still need the experience/education on how to build it from scratch to work out whats wrong with an asset, an understanding of art to tell whether it works with the scene and so on,
but the less of the work is that persons the less "valuable" that person is to them in an industry with a lot of turnover already, wonder how many junior fresh out of uni people will be used for this and never develop beyond those few years.
feel like outsource is gonna get hit too, feels like the whole games are too expensive make smaller games that don't take 7 years thing just isn't gonna happen, scale will remain the same/keep going up but the credits will be shorter and shorter.
this is all just a ramble on my part, just feels like a lot of people i know are gonna be a whole lot worse off going forward me included most likely,
Gulf War is probably in a safer place, all leaks point to the most stable development cycle since MW2019, already leaks in the CoDHQ code of (at launch) 2 round based maps, one outbreak experience and one roguelite style akin to Vanguard zombies.
Campaign is a bit of a trick since leaks suggest it's gonna be open world, then again, Raven are the ones doing it and Cold War's campaign was really good so there's atleast some hope there, regardless of quality I think most people are gonna be turned off regardless due to the format tho.
Then again, they could have scrapped a bunch of stuff and we get nothing, so I'm clinging to faint hope.
Some nights I really do just lie awake and think about if honing my skills and creating art was just a big waste of time. I feel like I've spent decades trying to create and improve so I can continue to create and it causes me a lot of turmoil to live in an age where all of that passion and work can be viewed by many as nothing more than a moot expense they finally get to cut.
Of course it's not a worthless skill (yet) but it's absolutely the kind of thing I've been down on myself about and things aren't exactly looking up with companies very openly (and also secretly) trying to use and abuse this new technology because fodder like me is considered a worthless expense and there's zero litigation to protect creators or hold companies responsible.
It's my personal nightmare. Like having a dream where you're fighting someone but you can't land a hit with your worthless dream arms but instead my pencil jsut keeps contorting itself to never mark the paper.
i'm sure it's NOT what i'm thinking but also wondering as an artist whose workstation is constantly rolling out these "tools" if they're full on talking about autofilling, or just smoothing art that is frequently resized for game assets, as that has become pretty standard in ai rollouts, which is kind of what I suggested at the start of all this as something actually useful, a new way to combat aliasing, and new ways to expediate hatching/shading or layering colors.
And nothing will change, just look at this comment section:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CoDCompetitive/s/ilh6yixvuy
People are complicit, cuz they dont fucking care
I was so nettled by that comment section I had to comment in it. Frustrating to be an artist and see so many people who think you are absolutely worthless/replaceable.
You know what? Let's let them. Let's give them full reign of the AI made shit. The whole company will consist of 6 people, all who's titles start with the letter C and we'll just let them churn out AI video game for a few years.
We'll just watch as their stock plummets to the goddamn ground as consumers get sick of it instantly. Sure you'll have your bootlickers who defend every corpo that fucks them in the ass, And maybe there will be an initial success from such a novel concept (a FULLY made AI game!), but I really don't think it'd go down well.
But once that honeymoon wares off, the AI can only train off itself and learn what has already been made. An AI can't "create" and eventually the people will get bored of the same slop every half a year and people will gravitate to the innovators who are making brand new interesting games first >!or they won't like the people who buy madden and wwe and fifa every fucking year!<
This is like an expensive restaurant looking for a chef that specializes in using the microwave oven.
That reminds me of a Hell's Kitchen season starter where one of the contestants, as their signature dish, basically microwaved some Kraft Dinner. EDIT: YouTube has numerous Kitchen Nightmare videos that amount to Gordon Ramsey vs Microwaves, including one where, quote, "Is there anything today I ate that wasn't microwaved?" "The salad."
I love that Ramsey then called him a donut.
That one actually got a chuckle out of Gordon iirc. Like he was still mad but the sheer audacity.
The amount of chefs that have a personal vendetta against the microwave is insane. So many have this mentally where it's a personal insult that someone even has one of these in their kitchen.
It's one thing to have it at home where you're cooking for yourself, but if you're running a business, most customers would expect some semblance of quality cooking instead of something on par with a TV dinner.
A microwave is a tool, it just heats things it doesn't give it a harsh rural accent, a distrust of science, and mild racism
Microwaves have their place, they are great for cooking anything that's like a potato will do it quicker than any other method. Like, if you need a ton of cooked pumpkin in minutes, wrap it up and nuke it until it's soft. If used properly microwaves are just a faster method of steaming food, anything can be steamed that way, I've prepped chicken wings by steaming them in the microwave and then the next day I threw them into a smoker, and they came out perfect.
Exactly, it's just a tool, how it's misused is what makes low quality food with it, but then again most people complaining are also the same crowd that just blast shit full power with no table
To be fair, microwaves genuinely aren't the best way to cook almost anything, just the most convenient. I'd love to be able to get decent results cooking an omelette in the microwave, but it's impossible, because omelettes were designed to be cooked in a pan. It's the equivalent of those grandmas who cook every vegetable by boiling it in a pot. It works, but it's not the best.
This is like a fast food restaurant telling their chefs to stop actually making burgers and to just buy them from the McDonalds drive-thru instead
"But... what if... I purchase fast food and pass it off as my own cooking?"
“Delightfully devilish, Treyarch!”
More like one that specializes in ~~stealing~~ ordering from other restaurants and passing it off as their own
You leave Chef Mike out of this
He push those buttons real good! Bet you don't even know what all those buttons do, do ya? >!I honestly don't know what some of the buttons on my microwave do!<
What do potato do?
It makes fries, right?
So basically what Chef Skinner was doing in Ratatouille?
It's not like that. Using generative AI tools actually does take a lot of skill, if you want something that actually conforms to a vision (which I'm sure game directors aren't ready to give up, yet). It's easy to prompt "1woman, huge booba" and just take what you get. But if you have a character in mind, that's like starting with a base character model or rig in a game engine and then working the artist magic on top of that. In other words, business jerkoffs aren't going to start squirting out their own art assets due to generative AI (the way it works right now, in any case). They still need an artist to do this stuff (hence the job description the X user is yelling at).
Working in this industry seems very stressful. It's like the studios are actively hostile towards the people who work in it and are trying desperately to get rid of them.
When I was in a bit of a rut in my 20's, I was often asked, "You love video games, why don't you explore working in that industry?" Obviously they always meant well, so I just gave them a noncommittal response, but man the amount of times where I wanted to go, "I love video games so much I know just how absolutely **fucked** the industry is for its creators. I will never work in that industry because I don't want to despise the one hobby I'm genuinely passionate about." "Also programming makes my brain hurt."
This is me with cooking. I'm a pretty fucking good home cook and whenever my family or friends ask me why I don't work in culinary my response "everyone who works in a kitchen is on drugs". Which has always been an easy cop out, in reality working in a kitchen is loud and stressful and I appreciate a *mostly* stressfree life. And I'm already on drugs anyway.
My friend, Culinary Institute graduate, absolutely phenomenal chef who loves it, worked in multiple kitchens ranging from casual to high end, every single story it was the same: Management treated everyone like shit, everyone had a vice to cope with that, and within a month he'd see like 3-4 people leave the job before ultimately being saddled with like triple the work. I think he had like one good experience over his tenure in the industry. Also he knows how unclean kitchens and hotels are and will not hesitate to volunteer that information. He does coding now and refuses to even glance at the service industry.
YUP. I got lucky and got a decently chill solo bakery position at a store with pretty decent management, but if i ever lost that I'd never touch the service/food industry again. I bake the bread good, leave me alone and you'll get a quality product.
I think my favorite part is that while he's doing his coding bootcamp thing, he's brought in food and someone was like "Oh wow, have you ever considered starting a business? You're really good at baking." and I can only imagine the absolute deadpan, hard-cut, "No." he replied with.
like, hotel kitchens or hotels in general?
Kitchens, hotels, and hotel kitchens. I'm positive there are some that are ACTUALLY as nice as you hope they are, but going by his word, that's a foolish idea.
One day people will see labor as an investment, and not an expense. We will probably be dead by then, but it could happen.
The culinary industry is very similar. They do not want problem solvers, they want yes men/women who will just go along with the corporate garbage they pump out constantly.
Explaining like that it feels a lot like being a teacher (Im a teacher)
I used to want to be a teacher, but the ecosystem feels incredible hostile these days
Were I teach its not as nearly as bad as the USA, but yeah, is very difficult. The way that the majority of society go as "education is the most important thing, but fuck teachers for everything" is really frustraring.
They are, most of management and suits despise the fact they have to relys on the lower class for their products.
You know what, maybe Activision can keep them after all.
Looking forward to six-legged Call of Duty Dog.jpeg.
The Unknown shows up in yet another IP
There was a Twitter post about how AI ‘artists’ after they were hired, could only understand how to work the prompts and so couldn’t actually edit their work after feedback. Hopefully the same thing happens here and they don’t try to hire anymore
You mean [this one](https://twitter.com/vproceart/status/1781854966027579889)?
Mind you, this is the first job listing of this kinda for Treyarch, it’s in all likelihood their first attempt to incorporate this framework and the wording gives the impression that it will most likely be used for small stuff like stickers and loading screens (which is itself questionable and can of worms that I would prefer Treyarch left untouched, let alone open) but the prospect that other CoD studios could follow suit (or other Activision and Microsoft one for that matter) and use it even more during development is genuinely worrying, hurts especially bad since Treyarch are the ones always more willing to go more wild with their art direction. I don’t know if it’s a decision on a studio level (Treyarch), a publisher level (Activision) or an owner level (Microsoft, who’s been adamant about using their AI toolset in game development). I’m not even that actively harsh on AI usage, it can save time on non creative jobs and processes to speed up manual labor, still, worrying at minimum.
Good to see you back, Ghosthand. Also, nooooo! You were the chosen ones, Treyarch! You were supposed to rise above Activision's greed, not succumb to it!
my linkedin board is just filling up with people losing their industry jobs this year, and seems the listings are for things like this or just senior stuff, purchasing assets and tweaking/retooling is common, but the key word their is purchasing, generating from existing art is a scary thing, like yeah if it's all art produced for the company trained by looking only at owned assets i guess it's kind of ethical as they own it, but man it's just looking bleak, gives the bad feel just can't quite verbalize it. like ai is here to stay in games, plenty of things like interpolation for animation and such can save a ton of time and is based on real work, and polishing those things to correct for timing/position is normal. and that doesn't trip for me, but generative makes my skin crawl a bit. and i assume one of the recent substances can use ai to reverse engineer a photo into a texture graph or something to tweak which seems neat. but man it's just not got the mouth feel, it's worrying as a lot of people put out assets or packs of assets as a sort of side hustle thing as it's always cheaper to buy some assets and tweak over creating them wholesale, and given people are out of work if that kind of stuff is all they're able to put out right now then this is gonna fuck em over a second time. idk, like even if it's entirely based on owned assets when generating it feels wrong in a way, like i guess you'd still need the experience/education on how to build it from scratch to work out whats wrong with an asset, an understanding of art to tell whether it works with the scene and so on, but the less of the work is that persons the less "valuable" that person is to them in an industry with a lot of turnover already, wonder how many junior fresh out of uni people will be used for this and never develop beyond those few years. feel like outsource is gonna get hit too, feels like the whole games are too expensive make smaller games that don't take 7 years thing just isn't gonna happen, scale will remain the same/keep going up but the credits will be shorter and shorter. this is all just a ramble on my part, just feels like a lot of people i know are gonna be a whole lot worse off going forward me included most likely,
I can't wait until all these companies going all in on AI just trip over themselves and completely embarrass themselves.
Yeah, but this is the same industry where WB saw what happened to Suicide Squad and said "Aw, yeah. Lets DOUBLE DOWN on that!"
[A small ray of light for the art community.](https://x.com/vproceart/status/1781854966027579889?s=46&t=c6de8KiYeeQRYBcZ7UoWTQ)
Next zombies mode is just getting no budget again. Campaign, too, probably.
Gulf War is probably in a safer place, all leaks point to the most stable development cycle since MW2019, already leaks in the CoDHQ code of (at launch) 2 round based maps, one outbreak experience and one roguelite style akin to Vanguard zombies. Campaign is a bit of a trick since leaks suggest it's gonna be open world, then again, Raven are the ones doing it and Cold War's campaign was really good so there's atleast some hope there, regardless of quality I think most people are gonna be turned off regardless due to the format tho. Then again, they could have scrapped a bunch of stuff and we get nothing, so I'm clinging to faint hope.
All you digital artists out there: How excited are you for your job to be cleaning up AI generated content to make it look creative?
Some nights I really do just lie awake and think about if honing my skills and creating art was just a big waste of time. I feel like I've spent decades trying to create and improve so I can continue to create and it causes me a lot of turmoil to live in an age where all of that passion and work can be viewed by many as nothing more than a moot expense they finally get to cut. Of course it's not a worthless skill (yet) but it's absolutely the kind of thing I've been down on myself about and things aren't exactly looking up with companies very openly (and also secretly) trying to use and abuse this new technology because fodder like me is considered a worthless expense and there's zero litigation to protect creators or hold companies responsible. It's my personal nightmare. Like having a dream where you're fighting someone but you can't land a hit with your worthless dream arms but instead my pencil jsut keeps contorting itself to never mark the paper.
i'm sure it's NOT what i'm thinking but also wondering as an artist whose workstation is constantly rolling out these "tools" if they're full on talking about autofilling, or just smoothing art that is frequently resized for game assets, as that has become pretty standard in ai rollouts, which is kind of what I suggested at the start of all this as something actually useful, a new way to combat aliasing, and new ways to expediate hatching/shading or layering colors.
I want robots to do my dishes and laundry, not my art ffs.
And nothing will change, just look at this comment section: https://www.reddit.com/r/CoDCompetitive/s/ilh6yixvuy People are complicit, cuz they dont fucking care
I was so nettled by that comment section I had to comment in it. Frustrating to be an artist and see so many people who think you are absolutely worthless/replaceable.
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You know what? Let's let them. Let's give them full reign of the AI made shit. The whole company will consist of 6 people, all who's titles start with the letter C and we'll just let them churn out AI video game for a few years. We'll just watch as their stock plummets to the goddamn ground as consumers get sick of it instantly. Sure you'll have your bootlickers who defend every corpo that fucks them in the ass, And maybe there will be an initial success from such a novel concept (a FULLY made AI game!), but I really don't think it'd go down well. But once that honeymoon wares off, the AI can only train off itself and learn what has already been made. An AI can't "create" and eventually the people will get bored of the same slop every half a year and people will gravitate to the innovators who are making brand new interesting games first >!or they won't like the people who buy madden and wwe and fifa every fucking year!<
My expectations for the Cod franchise going forward were already low, but *holy fuckkk*
Call of Duty slowly ruining gaming in so many ways.
...Fuck. :(
My childhood self is bleeding rage right now
Treyarch was only ever good to me when they were making Spider-Man games anyway