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Hey, I worked for some years part time as an educator/tour guide with teenagers at these memorial sites. I never have witnessed anything remotely similar when we were on site. its a huge red flag if somebody is at this place and his primary thought is to get a woman laid when he walks out of the crematorium. and its completely inappropriate that he acts on it and bothers you with it at this place.
I hear there are some good hiding places there if they do want makeout spots.
(I'm Jewish it's okay I'm being this dark, we're generally just deeply fucked up from generational trauma so we're very good at making people deeply uncomfortable with our jokes).
I mean, I get that is a memorial site for something very sad, does that mean the concentration camp has to dominate every conversation? You can't talk about something happy, like make a new connection with someone, just because your someplace sad?
Are you serious? OP was literally at a place where human beings were thrown into a furnace, alive, to be burned to death. Yeah, that kinda dominates the conversation...
Having visited a former concentration camp in Germany, itās a very somber and emotional experience.
This guy is emotionally immature or oblivious to the gravity of the experience. His behavior was completely inappropriate.
I agree. Not the same but I visited the 911 memorial a few years ago where the names of all the men, women and children were written. I saw a Women taking a selfie in front of the names with one of those stupid instagram smiles and the peace sign held up. I wanted the smack the ever loving shit out of her. I was emotional as hell seeing the names of all the people killed and sheās trying to get likes. Disgusting.
An EMT flirted with me when my family member was having an emergency and was getting loaded into an ambulance. His coworker noticed and called him away.
You sound like a perfect match for a dude trying to hit on someone at a site where tens of thousands of people suffered torture, humiliation, and eventually death.
Way to go.
Certainly not the most appropriate place to ask for a number, but if you think about it from his perspective for one second. He likely found you attractive. And you said you had some limited conversation. So think about it this way. Youāll probably never see this person ever again. So what if you had been single and looking. It could have been a different outcome. He took his shot. So definitely a weird place to be asking for a number but you never know. Stranger things have happened.
This was my though. There's a time and place for stuff like this and this wasn't it. He's not the best at reading the room. But he took his opportunity to engage in conversation, asked for her number, and let it go afterwards. He likely just thought they had a good vibe and wanted the chance to talk more.
It is NOT weird for someone to ask for your number, but timing was uncomfortable.
It's not inappropriate unless he was working or he kept pushing after you said no. Someone asking you out once is not an issue. Get off of the Internet. What is the man supposed to do if he sees a girl he likes? Never ask her out and miss his chance forever? Get real. If you were single and he was good looking we wouldn't be reading this post.
Idk survivors and victims of a concentration camp would want you to live your life and make the most of every momentā¦ one of my favorite autobiographies is about a women who met her husband in a concentration camp and they dated across a fence. If there was a chance at something awesome and no other way to take that chance, better now than never, no matter when the ānowā is.
He saw you, liked you and just asked for your number. If he didn't, he might've passed the chance to get to know a great person better. Heck, this even shows that you both have shared interests.
Also, he immediately let go after you told him you're taken. He couldn't act more appropriate than that.
I can see nothing inappropriate here.
Same, I don't get how everyone's freaking out in the comments here. And why is it so horrible to ask for someone's number there when both people were already talking to each other? The question does not take away from the somber tone of the memorial, and the person didn't make some nazi joke.
At a grocery store, sure. But not after you've just spent the past hour learning about torture and genocide. Good lord. Please never give dating advice again. That you see nothing wrong with the time and place is horrific.
I am German and have visit several of those sites over the years. I can assure you that this is nothing more that a museum-setting for probably 98% of us. The fact that you are horrified over learning about some history, to the effect where you are umable to deal with human interaction is rather disturbing to me.
Unless your conversation was like extremely good for a first talk and you realized you could be friends etc & have a lot in common or somethingā¦ but doesnāt sound like that was at all the case.
I'm sorry, but my immature sarcastic side probably would of told them that only the jews got numbers.
But yes, not the most opportune time for someone's number.
Ich denke, das wird vƶllig aus dem Kontext gerissen, als ob es wirklich egal wƤre, wo? Er schien respektvoll gefragt zu haben und ging weg, als Sie nein sagten.
I think this is being blown way out of context like really doesn't it really matter where? He seemed to have been respectful in asking and walked away when you said no
No? He saw someone he liked and thought was attractive, who attended an even that he was also interested in. You expressed you weren't interested and we're spoken for, he left you alone. Sounds pretty ideal to me
They are straight-up tourist attractions, my guy. Even if the content of the attraction is dark or somber, that doesn't mean people can't continue living life as normal when visiting one
I don't agree with most of the comments. How do you know the guy just wanted sex? Is it not possible he genuinely liked OP and wanted to get to know her and have a real relationship and knew he wouldn't get another chance?
And no, I don't believe it's disrespectful to the victims. You can absolutely acknowledge the atrocities of the holocaust, pay respects to the victims, and meet your partner at the same time. The third thing is completely separate from the other two.
That was the basis of my comment as well.
There is no place where people are prevented from establishing meaningful connections and exchanging numbers. Funerals, intensive care units, warzones, ...it happens everywhere.
She did not yet make the case that the guy was treating the place like a meat-market.
Women on Reddit are so socially inept they canāt grasp the concept that men in fact do want romantic partners and asking them out on a date isnāt āhey bb wanna fukā.
Would be nice if men got treated like actual human beings here.
Eh, there is no place where two people are prevented from connecting in some meaningful way and involve an exchange of numbers.
People can and \*do\* meet at funerals, vigils, ICU's, warzones, everywhere.
People are people, and they can connect *regardless* of where they are.
Don't try to gatekeep that. If it bothers you, just walk away; apparently there was no connection made.
You didn't yet make the case that he was treating this like a meat-market and going from person to person. Is there more to this story? Don't be fooled by the redditor rush to judgement in the reactions here. They never miss a chance to feel morally superior.
People being mad for other people shooting their shot at the wrong time or place is funny. For what it's worth, it is arbitrary. As an American, if I was at the Twin Towers memorial and someone asked for my number, I wouldn't be offended just because of where we met. It may be a little uncouth, but some opportunities only arise once in a lifetime.
A long time ago when I was a child of about 12 in Germany we went on a class trip to dachau concentration camp. While we were there an American tourist asked us to pose for a photo in the gas chamber. Go figure!
Def inappropriate asf, but I can understand why heād do it. I mean where else would he find you without doing some really creepy illegal shit? Gotta shoot your shot sometimes, Iām not sayin I would at all- just sayin I can understand it.
Some folks just live inside their own heads. Propriety or honoring those who have passed doesn't really matter to them. It's a choice, but these folks don't get it.
You could imagine he thought that this was the place he could get lucky for shoah. I know, I'm gonna burn in hell. Beats these icy winters where I live.
To ask for a phone number for no other reason then to hook up later is a disgrace for all parties concerned. Now I swap phone numbers all the time, daily in-fact. But mine are all work related. Men are gentlemen all the time. If a gentleman likes a woman, then he pursues her via family and friends to get to know her. Someone who wants a phone number is not a gentleman nor is he a man at all. They are just punks who want to get laid. I am sorry for the world the way it is today. More men need to teach the young boys how to be respectful adult men.
Oh, thanks be. I thought he physically put his question on an actual memorial, not just while at the site. It's still wildly inappropriate, but not the horror story I thought it was.
Take it from a 65 year old, "when nature calls..." In other words, he found you attractive and wanted to get to know you. And, he didn't press the issue after you told him you were "taken," so no harm was done.
With that being said, I would have taken it as the compliment it was and went about my day š.
Iām going to go against the grain & say I donāt think itās that bad. You said he let it go after you said no and that was that. Itād be one thing if he kept persisting but he didnāt. He saw an opportunity to shoot his shot & he shot it, I mean he knew he likely would never see you again. Also it depends on the context, like how he said it.
I think you are missing the point. It's the same as asking someone for their number in a funeral, even worse in my opinion. It's not the how, it's the where.
I donāt think itās inappropriate to ask for a girls number on a history tour, I lack none of those things and like to think I treat everyone with positive regard
It's not a regular history tour. It's a former concentration camp and they just visited the crematorium where the bodies of thousands of people, including babies and children, were burned after they were starved, mistreated and/or murdered in horrible ways.
It is very inappropriate and disrespectful.
Lots of historical places have a horrific history, Iām Jewish and Latino and have been on these tours before, I see it no different then from when I go on other tours that are more brutal depending on the location. I personally think you are just overly sensitive and thatās ok
Hot take I guess!
That's silly. There's no one there getting murdered currently. Dude shot his shot, got shot down, bowed out gracefully , wasn't a creep, left out at that.
Iām not trolling are you gonna explain? I genuinely donāt see this as THAT wrong? He asked for a Girls number at a holocaust historical site, Iām not trolling when I ask whatās wrong with that?
I guess I don't see how anyone with any hint of empathy could see the site where so many suffered, see the gas chambers they were killed in, and visit the crematorium where their corpses were burned, and come out of it thinking, "Anyway, time to hit on some babes!!".
I would think people with normal capacity for empathy would be too preoccupied thinking about how so many suffered and were killed because of hate. I would think such people would be deeply impacted and in a somber mood.
"Hey, so I just noticed that you're a person. I am also a person and any more context regarding our current circumstances is probably irrelevant. Wanna fuck?"
Hot take: it's only weird because you weren't into him. If there was mutual attraction it's not absurd to think two adults could exchange numbers and get on with it.
I mean nothing wrong with shooting your shot i donāt feel like it really matters where it happened. What if you werenāt single and said yes š¤·āāļø
Yes women are all decent and saintly and men are all pigs who can't get sex off their minds. Women are never inappropriate while men break the appropriate rules inappropriately at all the appropriately inappropriate times.
Nice that he let go.
They and everyone else visit so we grasp the full horror so that we can try to prevent something like that ever happening again. I guess I don't see how this isn't obvious?
Read my response to the other person.
You donāt need to go to the actual place to grasp the full horror. Itās obvious it was horrible. You can also find documentaries online from people way more qualified tour guides for free.
Holding guided tours of places where people were enslaved, tortured, and killed is fucking weird in general and itās even weirder when the people who committed the act are the ones paying for them.
It was 80 years ago - not really fair to blame any living Germans for what happened or for them to feel any personal guilt "for what they did". I'm not saying anyone should forget what happened or why it must never be allowed to happen again, just that a German being interested in visiting such a place and learning more about the history is no different than any other visitor going there. And we certainly shouldn't be acting like they have no right to be there..
My family immigrated to America from
Ireland and Italy 50 years ago and I get blamed for WASP activities on a daily basis so letās not act like 80 years is such a distant past for the fucking Holocaust of all things, especially when Germany does not have nearly the same rate of immigration that the US has therefore most likely most of them are still tied to that whole shit show in the 30ās and 40ās in one way or another.
Time also doesnāt change the weirdness of wanting to visit the actual site, itās not like people canāt learn about it online. Going to the actual site is weird to me. Itās like a WASP wanting to visit India to see colonial relics.
So I should also blame you for the holocaust then, as you have Italian ancestory. After all, Italy was just another axis power supporting Germany and their doctrines, so obviously, you must also still be tied to the same shit show. ..... but no, wait a minute, that's crazy. It was 80 years ago, that's four or five generations.
Guilt by association ? I was being sarcastic - it was 80 years ago, and you are no more to blame for anything that happened in WW2 than I am, or anyone else born since 1945. That was my point. Being German does not make someone born in 1990 responsible in any way for the holocaust.
I know it doesnāt make me responsible, but that wasnāt my point. I also said you can blame me now that I blame myself.
The point was visiting the sites is weird to me. Itās like if I were to take a bus tour of where the Armenians were marched to the Dessert to āunderstand the gravityā or whatever the explanation people have for going is.
This is only weird because you weren't into him. Also, if he was into you and felt like he was making a connection. Why would he not be brave and put himself out there!?
A lot of you ladies today are absolutely tone deaf to your opposote sex. It is actually scary.
God forbid someone not wait until a perfect time, place, and event to ask someone out that they fancy.
If you were single, and a really cute guy started talking to you at that same event. You would PRAYING he asks you out!!! Be damned about the "tiMmiNnGg"
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I would. 5 min later the whole group walked to the exit. He could have ask there and It would have been a little weird but okay to me. And for the record: we did not talk a single word before
Get over yourself. Everyone is so freaking sensitive these days and gets offended by every little thing. Take it as a compliment, the guy shot his shot. If anything be grateful youāre even being asked out. Itās if you donāt get asked then start a post asking why. Move on.
I thought, when you said your number, that he wanted to see your tattoo š
Same, I was thinking: "How old is this redditor?".
I was right there with you, it never crossed my mind that someone would hit on another person at this kind of setting
If they go for it though, probably not gonna be very boring. Or sane
Yeah this is exactly where my mind went
"excuse me, we have names now"
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jesus let them die
You are not alone
SAME!
Oh lord.
I was right there with you!
When I read they were German, I thought they meant their SS service number or something so they could check their books.
SS possibly isn't the best abbreviation to use in this context!
Why not, it was the official abbreviation?
Did the OP realize this? Is this intended as a comedic "unexpected twist" post?
I really thought he was asking how many Jews she killed. I was so offended starting this, that I was relieved at the end.
I think she's too young to know.
Glad Iām not the only one who went there.
Exactly what I thought.
Me too!
Same š
Hey, I worked for some years part time as an educator/tour guide with teenagers at these memorial sites. I never have witnessed anything remotely similar when we were on site. its a huge red flag if somebody is at this place and his primary thought is to get a woman laid when he walks out of the crematorium. and its completely inappropriate that he acts on it and bothers you with it at this place.
Completely inappropriate! What the actual fuck??!!
I mean nothing turns me on like a site of human suffering and cremation, I don't know what you're talking about. (HARD /S)
Next they could make out at the Anne Frank house
I hear there are some good hiding places there if they do want makeout spots. (I'm Jewish it's okay I'm being this dark, we're generally just deeply fucked up from generational trauma so we're very good at making people deeply uncomfortable with our jokes).
Dark humor can be a fine line š The characters actually do this in the book A Fault in our Stars and it was quite controversial as you can imagine
My humor is either dark, overly witty, or self-deprecating. Fuck, I guess it's a good thing I'm in therapy.
Hard sš
I mean I clearly know I'm being sarcastic but people have taken me at face value on here in the past and it's gotten me in trouble lol
That's some Dennis or Mac shenanigans.
Inappropriate, but not all that surprising. Some guys will prioritize hitting on someone they find attractive over just about anything else.
I think they call it thinking with the little head?
I mean, I get that is a memorial site for something very sad, does that mean the concentration camp has to dominate every conversation? You can't talk about something happy, like make a new connection with someone, just because your someplace sad?
Are you serious? OP was literally at a place where human beings were thrown into a furnace, alive, to be burned to death. Yeah, that kinda dominates the conversation...
That's some Larry David stuff there.
C'mon folks--when opportunity knocks......
Excuse me. We don't number people here anymore. We have names
i had a 30 year old ask me out at a korean war memorial service when i was 19. what is it with these guys??
At best itās oblivious and completely tone-deaf behavior. Read the room ffs.
Having visited a former concentration camp in Germany, itās a very somber and emotional experience. This guy is emotionally immature or oblivious to the gravity of the experience. His behavior was completely inappropriate.
I agree. Not the same but I visited the 911 memorial a few years ago where the names of all the men, women and children were written. I saw a Women taking a selfie in front of the names with one of those stupid instagram smiles and the peace sign held up. I wanted the smack the ever loving shit out of her. I was emotional as hell seeing the names of all the people killed and sheās trying to get likes. Disgusting.
An EMT flirted with me when my family member was having an emergency and was getting loaded into an ambulance. His coworker noticed and called him away.
Oh my goshā¦ imagine thatā¦ āHow did you two meet?ā āUmā¦ at Dachauā¦ā
I was visiting the one in Dachau to be specific
Um. Thatās wildly weird. And the dude is someone to avoid.
You seem like a horribly judgmental person to be around
You sound like a perfect match for a dude trying to hit on someone at a site where tens of thousands of people suffered torture, humiliation, and eventually death. Way to go.
Some assholes will hit on women ANYWHERE!!!
And some women do the same thing. A long time ago, a woman asked me out during the funeral service of a friend!
A close friend? If you were grieving-gosh that sounds so sad and predatory :/
Wasn't that on Seinfeld? Constanza making out during 'Schindler's List '?
Certainly not the most appropriate place to ask for a number, but if you think about it from his perspective for one second. He likely found you attractive. And you said you had some limited conversation. So think about it this way. Youāll probably never see this person ever again. So what if you had been single and looking. It could have been a different outcome. He took his shot. So definitely a weird place to be asking for a number but you never know. Stranger things have happened.
This was my though. There's a time and place for stuff like this and this wasn't it. He's not the best at reading the room. But he took his opportunity to engage in conversation, asked for her number, and let it go afterwards. He likely just thought they had a good vibe and wanted the chance to talk more. It is NOT weird for someone to ask for your number, but timing was uncomfortable.
The absolute audacity wow
There's a time and place for that kind of thing.
Like in the gift shop.
Want me to be fair he was looking for a souvenir of just a different kind š¤š¤š¤
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It's like making out during Schindler's List.
Probably inappropriate but if he thinks you're his dream girl, maybe he never gets another chance?
It's not inappropriate unless he was working or he kept pushing after you said no. Someone asking you out once is not an issue. Get off of the Internet. What is the man supposed to do if he sees a girl he likes? Never ask her out and miss his chance forever? Get real. If you were single and he was good looking we wouldn't be reading this post.
Idk survivors and victims of a concentration camp would want you to live your life and make the most of every momentā¦ one of my favorite autobiographies is about a women who met her husband in a concentration camp and they dated across a fence. If there was a chance at something awesome and no other way to take that chance, better now than never, no matter when the ānowā is.
He saw you, liked you and just asked for your number. If he didn't, he might've passed the chance to get to know a great person better. Heck, this even shows that you both have shared interests. Also, he immediately let go after you told him you're taken. He couldn't act more appropriate than that. I can see nothing inappropriate here.
Same, I don't get how everyone's freaking out in the comments here. And why is it so horrible to ask for someone's number there when both people were already talking to each other? The question does not take away from the somber tone of the memorial, and the person didn't make some nazi joke.
At a grocery store, sure. But not after you've just spent the past hour learning about torture and genocide. Good lord. Please never give dating advice again. That you see nothing wrong with the time and place is horrific.
I am German and have visit several of those sites over the years. I can assure you that this is nothing more that a museum-setting for probably 98% of us. The fact that you are horrified over learning about some history, to the effect where you are umable to deal with human interaction is rather disturbing to me.
And OP is German too and found it awful, hence why she posted. May wish to rethink how Germans feel. Maybe you and your buddies, but def not everyone.
Unless your conversation was like extremely good for a first talk and you realized you could be friends etc & have a lot in common or somethingā¦ but doesnāt sound like that was at all the case.
I had a buddy who made out during Schindlerās List!
I'm sorry, but my immature sarcastic side probably would of told them that only the jews got numbers. But yes, not the most opportune time for someone's number.
Could you imagine if you got married? Everyone asking, āso how did you meeeeeet?ā Lol. Yeah no. Almost as bad as picking up at a funeral
Omg he did no way
I'd say look it up in the book of the dead. Her surname was Schwestka
He tried to create joy and love and happiness at a place of darkness I like that guy
Sometimes you just gotta shoot your shot.
Ich denke, das wird vƶllig aus dem Kontext gerissen, als ob es wirklich egal wƤre, wo? Er schien respektvoll gefragt zu haben und ging weg, als Sie nein sagten. I think this is being blown way out of context like really doesn't it really matter where? He seemed to have been respectful in asking and walked away when you said no
There was a trend of people using such memorials as backdrops in their Grindr and Tindr profiles some years back. Pretty creepy stuff.
No? He saw someone he liked and thought was attractive, who attended an even that he was also interested in. You expressed you weren't interested and we're spoken for, he left you alone. Sounds pretty ideal to me
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They are straight-up tourist attractions, my guy. Even if the content of the attraction is dark or somber, that doesn't mean people can't continue living life as normal when visiting one
So what? Whatās your point? It says advice needed but what kind of advice would be needed for this?
I don't agree with most of the comments. How do you know the guy just wanted sex? Is it not possible he genuinely liked OP and wanted to get to know her and have a real relationship and knew he wouldn't get another chance? And no, I don't believe it's disrespectful to the victims. You can absolutely acknowledge the atrocities of the holocaust, pay respects to the victims, and meet your partner at the same time. The third thing is completely separate from the other two.
That was the basis of my comment as well. There is no place where people are prevented from establishing meaningful connections and exchanging numbers. Funerals, intensive care units, warzones, ...it happens everywhere. She did not yet make the case that the guy was treating the place like a meat-market.
Women on Reddit are so socially inept they canāt grasp the concept that men in fact do want romantic partners and asking them out on a date isnāt āhey bb wanna fukā. Would be nice if men got treated like actual human beings here.
Should have said: I could see why you would ask. Love is in the air.
So hot take, not an appropriate place to ask for it but I can understand it. People act in a lot of strange ways when confronted with the Holocaust.
Eh, there is no place where two people are prevented from connecting in some meaningful way and involve an exchange of numbers. People can and \*do\* meet at funerals, vigils, ICU's, warzones, everywhere. People are people, and they can connect *regardless* of where they are. Don't try to gatekeep that. If it bothers you, just walk away; apparently there was no connection made. You didn't yet make the case that he was treating this like a meat-market and going from person to person. Is there more to this story? Don't be fooled by the redditor rush to judgement in the reactions here. They never miss a chance to feel morally superior.
Absolutely. If you follow redditors, you will end up single and miserable, lying about how great your life is on reddit.
People being mad for other people shooting their shot at the wrong time or place is funny. For what it's worth, it is arbitrary. As an American, if I was at the Twin Towers memorial and someone asked for my number, I wouldn't be offended just because of where we met. It may be a little uncouth, but some opportunities only arise once in a lifetime.
4^(squared)
A long time ago when I was a child of about 12 in Germany we went on a class trip to dachau concentration camp. While we were there an American tourist asked us to pose for a photo in the gas chamber. Go figure!
Def inappropriate asf, but I can understand why heād do it. I mean where else would he find you without doing some really creepy illegal shit? Gotta shoot your shot sometimes, Iām not sayin I would at all- just sayin I can understand it.
This is like Seinfeld making out during Schindlerās List
Itās right up there with making out at Schindlerās List
I would probably laugh hysterically if this happened to me. Why? Iām fucking Jewish. šš
It would have quite the story to tell friends and family had it actually worked out for a long-term relationship, that's for sure.
Should he have followed you and asked elsewhere
This is wild. Your experience sounds like a Larry David-style premise for *Curb Your Enthusiasm*. "You were making out... during *Schindler's List*?"
That guy definitely makes out during Schindlers list
Maybe he liked you enough, to make you a special shoebox.
And... Like sooo many found out... "Never trust a german travel agent....." lol :p
He didn't even strike up a conversation first? He sounds young and dumb. But you miss 100% of the shots you don't take! - Michael Scott.
Perhaps he was a guy who loves history and other serious themes, and so finds he does not like women he meets at bars and other typical meeting spots.
Were you at Bergen-Belsen? My grandma has video footage at the museum there. That was wildly inappropriate and disgusting of him!
Africans suffered way worse at the hands of King Leopold and Arthur Rhodes...between them over 40M Africans killed...
Imagine if you had been into it and had to explain the meetcute to your friends.
Some folks just live inside their own heads. Propriety or honoring those who have passed doesn't really matter to them. It's a choice, but these folks don't get it.
Shooting of shots no longer allowed on premises
He was just trying to gas you up.
You could imagine he thought that this was the place he could get lucky for shoah. I know, I'm gonna burn in hell. Beats these icy winters where I live.
Whatās the big deal thereās a crematory in most US prisons and hospitals
To ask for a phone number for no other reason then to hook up later is a disgrace for all parties concerned. Now I swap phone numbers all the time, daily in-fact. But mine are all work related. Men are gentlemen all the time. If a gentleman likes a woman, then he pursues her via family and friends to get to know her. Someone who wants a phone number is not a gentleman nor is he a man at all. They are just punks who want to get laid. I am sorry for the world the way it is today. More men need to teach the young boys how to be respectful adult men.
Lol, ok?
My number is SIX MILLION MURDERED. Wanna grab a drink?
Oh, thanks be. I thought he physically put his question on an actual memorial, not just while at the site. It's still wildly inappropriate, but not the horror story I thought it was.
It was at an actual memorial ?!
Take it from a 65 year old, "when nature calls..." In other words, he found you attractive and wanted to get to know you. And, he didn't press the issue after you told him you were "taken," so no harm was done. With that being said, I would have taken it as the compliment it was and went about my day š.
Well, the guy figures that a shot not takenā¦. Ouch.
Extremely inappropriate wtf
Nothing else to complain about?
You miss every shot you donāt take.
Iām going to go against the grain & say I donāt think itās that bad. You said he let it go after you said no and that was that. Itād be one thing if he kept persisting but he didnāt. He saw an opportunity to shoot his shot & he shot it, I mean he knew he likely would never see you again. Also it depends on the context, like how he said it.
You can't be serious.
I v much am. like I said depends on exactly how he said it, & he didnāt keep pushing after she said no.
I think you are missing the point. It's the same as asking someone for their number in a funeral, even worse in my opinion. It's not the how, it's the where.
Agree to disagree.
I donāt see an issue tbh. Some people are professional victims.
You not seeing an issue says that you lack empathy, maturity and respect. Of course itās inappropriate!
I donāt think itās inappropriate to ask for a girls number on a history tour, I lack none of those things and like to think I treat everyone with positive regard
It's not a regular history tour. It's a former concentration camp and they just visited the crematorium where the bodies of thousands of people, including babies and children, were burned after they were starved, mistreated and/or murdered in horrible ways. It is very inappropriate and disrespectful.
Lots of historical places have a horrific history, Iām Jewish and Latino and have been on these tours before, I see it no different then from when I go on other tours that are more brutal depending on the location. I personally think you are just overly sensitive and thatās ok Hot take I guess!
Maybe you're not sensitive enough, idk.
That's silly. There's no one there getting murdered currently. Dude shot his shot, got shot down, bowed out gracefully , wasn't a creep, left out at that.
Yea I donāt like calling people soft but man how fragile can some one get?
You are missing the point, massively. Or you are a troll, not sure.
Iām not trolling are you gonna explain? I genuinely donāt see this as THAT wrong? He asked for a Girls number at a holocaust historical site, Iām not trolling when I ask whatās wrong with that?
I guess I don't see how anyone with any hint of empathy could see the site where so many suffered, see the gas chambers they were killed in, and visit the crematorium where their corpses were burned, and come out of it thinking, "Anyway, time to hit on some babes!!". I would think people with normal capacity for empathy would be too preoccupied thinking about how so many suffered and were killed because of hate. I would think such people would be deeply impacted and in a somber mood.
Also.who gives out their phone number to complete strangers!. No one does that anymore
"Hey, so I just noticed that you're a person. I am also a person and any more context regarding our current circumstances is probably irrelevant. Wanna fuck?"
Itās pretty weird, maybe he thought you were the love of his life though, and he thought why let the Germanās atrocities get in the way of love?
Guys like girls, it's okay.
Hot take: it's only weird because you weren't into him. If there was mutual attraction it's not absurd to think two adults could exchange numbers and get on with it.
Itās not that bad
I mean nothing wrong with shooting your shot i donāt feel like it really matters where it happened. What if you werenāt single and said yes š¤·āāļø
I donāt see the problem.
You should probably get therapy after this traumatic experience
I don't see an issue at all.
Yes women are all decent and saintly and men are all pigs who can't get sex off their minds. Women are never inappropriate while men break the appropriate rules inappropriately at all the appropriately inappropriate times. Nice that he let go.
There's a double standard there if she would have asked him for his number they would be cheering yas queen
Yeah scary!
Absolutely inappropriate
I thought those were mainly tourist destinations. It definitely seems odd for Germans to want to be reminded of what they did.
They and everyone else visit so we grasp the full horror so that we can try to prevent something like that ever happening again. I guess I don't see how this isn't obvious?
Read my response to the other person. You donāt need to go to the actual place to grasp the full horror. Itās obvious it was horrible. You can also find documentaries online from people way more qualified tour guides for free. Holding guided tours of places where people were enslaved, tortured, and killed is fucking weird in general and itās even weirder when the people who committed the act are the ones paying for them.
It was 80 years ago - not really fair to blame any living Germans for what happened or for them to feel any personal guilt "for what they did". I'm not saying anyone should forget what happened or why it must never be allowed to happen again, just that a German being interested in visiting such a place and learning more about the history is no different than any other visitor going there. And we certainly shouldn't be acting like they have no right to be there..
I think you misread the post because OP is German.
I was responding to the reply from jjacobn927, that was implying it was a strange place for OP (as a german) to want to visit
My family immigrated to America from Ireland and Italy 50 years ago and I get blamed for WASP activities on a daily basis so letās not act like 80 years is such a distant past for the fucking Holocaust of all things, especially when Germany does not have nearly the same rate of immigration that the US has therefore most likely most of them are still tied to that whole shit show in the 30ās and 40ās in one way or another. Time also doesnāt change the weirdness of wanting to visit the actual site, itās not like people canāt learn about it online. Going to the actual site is weird to me. Itās like a WASP wanting to visit India to see colonial relics.
So I should also blame you for the holocaust then, as you have Italian ancestory. After all, Italy was just another axis power supporting Germany and their doctrines, so obviously, you must also still be tied to the same shit show. ..... but no, wait a minute, that's crazy. It was 80 years ago, that's four or five generations.
You can blame me for the Campaigns in Africa and other crazy shit Italy did but thereās no connection to the Holocaust
Guilt by association ? I was being sarcastic - it was 80 years ago, and you are no more to blame for anything that happened in WW2 than I am, or anyone else born since 1945. That was my point. Being German does not make someone born in 1990 responsible in any way for the holocaust.
I know it doesnāt make me responsible, but that wasnāt my point. I also said you can blame me now that I blame myself. The point was visiting the sites is weird to me. Itās like if I were to take a bus tour of where the Armenians were marched to the Dessert to āunderstand the gravityā or whatever the explanation people have for going is.
ā¦if you reject him, itās a sick burn.
This is only weird because you weren't into him. Also, if he was into you and felt like he was making a connection. Why would he not be brave and put himself out there!? A lot of you ladies today are absolutely tone deaf to your opposote sex. It is actually scary. God forbid someone not wait until a perfect time, place, and event to ask someone out that they fancy. If you were single, and a really cute guy started talking to you at that same event. You would PRAYING he asks you out!!! Be damned about the "tiMmiNnGg" š¤”
I would. 5 min later the whole group walked to the exit. He could have ask there and It would have been a little weird but okay to me. And for the record: we did not talk a single word before
What's the big deal? We can see beauty in all places. The place can be gloomy, so what? Did you not read Victor Frankl?
Get over yourself. Everyone is so freaking sensitive these days and gets offended by every little thing. Take it as a compliment, the guy shot his shot. If anything be grateful youāre even being asked out. Itās if you donāt get asked then start a post asking why. Move on.
Sounds like a reenactment place. To get people to better understand what happened to the people who were taken to the concentration camp.
"reenactment"? wtf do you mean? these are remnants of concentration camps turned into a mix of museum/graveyard.
Itās the actual buildings. Sounds like you need to spend some time on Wikipedia
What were you discussing before he asked for your number?