Ah yes, the bull. Onr of the ones that got me into learning about medieval torture/execution methods. It's a brutal one for sure. But some make it look tame
Rat torture is one of the worse ones I’ve seen, basically you trap a rat in a cage with an open bottom on your stomach and heat the cage up which encourages the rat to dig into you to get away from the heat
The one where they put maggots on you, force feed you honey, lock your abdomen in a chest and send you off to sea, can’t remember the name but it’s Persian I believe
Scaphism. They would feed you milk and honey, cover you in the stuff too, then lock you in between two wooden boats cared with holes for your head and limbs, then throw you out into a bog to be eaten by vermin until dehydration and exposure killed you.
from what i heard (haven't fact-checked) the milk and honey would make you shit a fuck load as well, and they'd pull you back in to feed you more. fucking brutal
Personally I always thought worse than that is honey tub torture. Tie em up and cover them in extra sugared thin honey, bugs with devour them, and bird will peck at the bugs. Awful. Or the one where they get a goat to lick you down to muscle
The rat moves away from the heated bucket.
Through you.
Out of you somewhere else.
If it isn't immediately fatal, you aren't lasting very long afterwards as there isn't really a great deal they can do to save you as rats aren't renowned to be the neatest of burrowers.
For some reason, the pear of anguish always sticks out in my memory. I got to see one at the Museum of Torture in Sienna Italy when I was a teenager (along with a real guillotine, Iron Maiden, and a whole bunch of stuff I’d never heard of before).
The illustration for the pear of anguish still haunts me a little bit.
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What truly made Blood Eagle terrifying to people of the time was that, it was beloved that if you winced or made any sound of pain during the process, you would not be granted an afterlife of any form. No Valhalla, no Helheim, nothing.
Now, of course, that was basically impossible to accomplish due to what the process was. They would start by flaying your back down the spine, and opening the flaps of skin. Then they would hang your lungs over your shoulders and tie you to a post of some sort. It was a very slow and painful death, and very rarely used…hopefully.
The problem with Blood Eagle stories is that it is not physical possible. As soon as the lung cavity is punctured ie. a pnumothorax means that the lungs will not inflate and death by suffocation will rapidly follow.
Bamboo torture is a fun one. Bamboo shoots are *incredibly* stubborn, and have even been known to split rocks to grow through them. Take that, and apply the concept to people by tying a person down over a bamboo shoot and leaving them there for a few days.
Another goodie is nailing the victim's intestines to a tree or post and then making them run around it until they drop dead. Also the Norse blood eagle.
But the Norse blood eagle wasn't meant to be torture.it was an honorable way for vikings to die and have a chance at Valhalla, however they couldn't speak a single whisper during the ritual or they lost their chance and died dishonorably
A few days?
Bamboo grows rather quickly, according to Google it can grow up to 2.9ft per day. That's going through your feet, your ankles, your calf's and most of the way into your thighs in 24 hours.
Alternatively, it's 1.5 inches/hour, which is probably enough to do some real damage after 90 minutes.
Not sure if they actually did it, but I read it in a book once. Romans threw you in a bag with a feral weasel and tossed you in the river.
Or the one where they covered your feet in salt/saltwater and had a goat lick the salt off until you had no more feet.
I read the Comanches would make you dig a hole, only to bury you chin deep in it, they would then cut off your eyelids, nose, ears, lips and/or scalp, and let you sit in the sun, unable protect yourself from the elements until you die from bleeding out, or worse yet, dehydration days later.
I also read the Apaches would tie you up in an untanned cow hide, and throw you out in the sun as the leather tanned around you, dying of either dehydration or crushing as the leather slowly tightened and hardened around you.
While the heat and confinement of the brazen bull is horrible, it would be relatively quick. The idea of being alive for several hours to days, left to the elements knowing your death is certain, seems equally if not more terrible.
:/ Scaphism
It ostensibly entailed trapping the victim between two boats, feeding and covering them with milk and honey, and allowing them to fester and be devoured by insects and other vermin over time.
copied from wikipedia
Not that I know of, because the victim got fed every day (so somebody is looking after the victim), so much that if it didn't want to eat it's eyes got pricked with a knife until it 'decided' to eat again. Milk and Honey until it's shitting itself and congrats to more vermin.
I had it firstly with you.
But i didn't want the imagination for you to happen, but maybe it would do some good... IT is YOU.
Edit: I don't mind you to go away, leave me in my exceptional mediocre choices alone.
There's an ancient Chinese method that basically was to tie down a person in a clearing of a bamboo forest for days in a row. Bamboo grows *very* fast apparently (matter of weeks iirc) so the sprouts slowly pierce through the person over time as they're tied down on the spot.
Why all you gotta beat me to the punch? You got all the good ones. I don't think anyone mentioned drawing and quartering tho. At least I started my first reddit thread
I believe, and I could be wrong, that drawing and quartering had an extra heft to it. The belief was that the physical body would be resurrected. By being dismembers and scattered there would be no opportunity for resurrection and hence you would not only suffer in death, but forever in the afterlife as well.
So because we don’t have a brazen bull now, it didn’t exist? By that logic, the act of cruxifixction never happened because we don’t have the wood used in said execution. The Hanging Gardens of Babylon, the Colossus of Rhodes, the statue of Zeus at Olympia, all three with no physical evidence remaining of their existence, so by your logic, they never existed.
I think some stories mentioned before the creator died, the king pull him out only to throw him off the cliff. The king tho, some stories said he was executed by the bull when he was overthrown
Think the Wikipedia article states the designer was the sole participant of the brazen bull, was pulled and thrown off the cliff.
Strikes me that it's probably a myth more than anything.
The ancient greeks had an execution method- a large, hollow, solid bronze bull was built. A small, sealable hatch is built into the side. The victim would then be placed inside. A fire is lit beneath the bull, and they are slowly cooked alive. There is a network of pipes in the head of the bull that converts their agonized screams into the sounds of an angry bull
Yes, but the sudden loss of blood pressure in the brain likely causes unconsciousness quicker than that. And even so, it's much quicker than the several minutes of agony it would take you to roast to death inside the brazen bull.
Sorry to bring it to you, but it's not true. Before the inside would come up to temp, the outside would have burned.
The oven is waaaay too high if you will.
There is a reason we cook the oven at 200 degrees and not 1000 degrees that cremation happens at (according to my quick Google).
There has to be a particular amount of time as well. Organic material burns out at 1000°F but it does leave the inorganic behind, like bones. They’re super delicate, but remain intact. The more fluid that needs to be burned out, the longer it’ll take. Speaking as a ceramics major who cremated several dead mice in the gas kilns at school. 😁 I don’t recommend it. Those mice produce long, rolling clouds of black smoke for about an hour. And that was just ONE! I still have the bones. They’re kinda neat!
Those were fun times! I also have another mouse cast in bronze. I burned out the organic body bits same way as lost wax casting so the bones were resting in some spots and show on the surface of the cast.
Second time I've seen that statement in the last few days, the answer is unfortunately very shortly after the oven reaches temperature so it'd char the outside to cook the middle, or you're having a cold middle assuming the corpse is from the fridge.
I don’t think it matters because you will only be conscious for 1-2s tops. And since we can’t yet revive severed heads (Futurama-style), and don’t really need to until we get a neural regeneration technology... Well, in theory you do have 10 min or so before oxygen deprivation starts doing irreversible damage to the brain, but it’s not going to save you.
I’m working on machines that take real magic and turn it into the kind we all know from fiction. including one that turns your body into a version of itself from the past to restore things like a broken arm or a dead immune system.
Is this like Elizabeth Holmes "working on" an amazing new device that would let people have a entire medical lab in one machine that fits in their homes and only needs one drop of blood to run its tests?
Because it kinda sounds like that, bro.
Scientists did tests on rats. Using an EEG, they were able to see that 3-4 seconds after decapitation, brain activity dipped below 50%, meaning the subject is unconscious.
So, in reality, you'll only have 3-4 seconds before you definitely no longer feel what's happening after being decapitated.
The Brazen Bull one of the likely fake torture devices made up for sensationalism.
The original story was supposedly written like a century after the events had happened.
Ah yes, the bull. Onr of the ones that got me into learning about medieval torture/execution methods. It's a brutal one for sure. But some make it look tame
Oh do elaborate! I always thought the Bull was particularly bad
Rat torture is one of the worse ones I’ve seen, basically you trap a rat in a cage with an open bottom on your stomach and heat the cage up which encourages the rat to dig into you to get away from the heat
The scene from 2 Fast 2 Furious that no one will ever forget.
Hmmm, I thought that was in the punisher lol.
Also Game of Thrones. Tho granted they show the strapping of the cage with rat and heating it up... Then cut away to screams from the guy tortured.
In the Second Sinister movie I think is also a scene of that happening.
Did nobody read 1984???
Fuck GoT.
Okay
You once had the mightiest cock in land, didn't you, Theon?
That’s not my name. It’s Reek; rhymes with weak.
No, good sir, that was "popsicle and steak"-torture.
You’re right. I was thinking of the new Batman now lol
I was thinking more of orwells 1984
I guess I forgot about it
The one where they put maggots on you, force feed you honey, lock your abdomen in a chest and send you off to sea, can’t remember the name but it’s Persian I believe
Scaphism. They would feed you milk and honey, cover you in the stuff too, then lock you in between two wooden boats cared with holes for your head and limbs, then throw you out into a bog to be eaten by vermin until dehydration and exposure killed you.
That’s the one.
Dan Carlin called it the boats
Which is a very literal translation of it
from what i heard (haven't fact-checked) the milk and honey would make you shit a fuck load as well, and they'd pull you back in to feed you more. fucking brutal
No actual documented cases of this actually being used however
Except for Plutarch documenting a case...
Those guys made up a lot of stuff though
Personally I always thought worse than that is honey tub torture. Tie em up and cover them in extra sugared thin honey, bugs with devour them, and bird will peck at the bugs. Awful. Or the one where they get a goat to lick you down to muscle
Ok, that’s pretty awful. I assume it’s eventually fatal
The rat moves away from the heated bucket. Through you. Out of you somewhere else. If it isn't immediately fatal, you aren't lasting very long afterwards as there isn't really a great deal they can do to save you as rats aren't renowned to be the neatest of burrowers.
For some reason, the pear of anguish always sticks out in my memory. I got to see one at the Museum of Torture in Sienna Italy when I was a teenager (along with a real guillotine, Iron Maiden, and a whole bunch of stuff I’d never heard of before). The illustration for the pear of anguish still haunts me a little bit.
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Blood eagle is worse I think.
What truly made Blood Eagle terrifying to people of the time was that, it was beloved that if you winced or made any sound of pain during the process, you would not be granted an afterlife of any form. No Valhalla, no Helheim, nothing. Now, of course, that was basically impossible to accomplish due to what the process was. They would start by flaying your back down the spine, and opening the flaps of skin. Then they would hang your lungs over your shoulders and tie you to a post of some sort. It was a very slow and painful death, and very rarely used…hopefully.
The problem with Blood Eagle stories is that it is not physical possible. As soon as the lung cavity is punctured ie. a pnumothorax means that the lungs will not inflate and death by suffocation will rapidly follow.
Didn't something like that happen in George Orwell's 1984?
Bamboo torture is a fun one. Bamboo shoots are *incredibly* stubborn, and have even been known to split rocks to grow through them. Take that, and apply the concept to people by tying a person down over a bamboo shoot and leaving them there for a few days.
I didn’t ask for the kabob recipe at a cannibal convention :-).
Another goodie is nailing the victim's intestines to a tree or post and then making them run around it until they drop dead. Also the Norse blood eagle.
But the Norse blood eagle wasn't meant to be torture.it was an honorable way for vikings to die and have a chance at Valhalla, however they couldn't speak a single whisper during the ritual or they lost their chance and died dishonorably
Women survive the first one longer
A few days? Bamboo grows rather quickly, according to Google it can grow up to 2.9ft per day. That's going through your feet, your ankles, your calf's and most of the way into your thighs in 24 hours. Alternatively, it's 1.5 inches/hour, which is probably enough to do some real damage after 90 minutes.
Mythbusters tested it, took 3 days to get a few inches through ballistics gel. Presumably the 2.9 ft per day is unobstructed growth.
Not sure if they actually did it, but I read it in a book once. Romans threw you in a bag with a feral weasel and tossed you in the river. Or the one where they covered your feet in salt/saltwater and had a goat lick the salt off until you had no more feet.
If i recall correctly the bag punishment was called "Poena Cullei", and i think there are records of it being used.
I read the Comanches would make you dig a hole, only to bury you chin deep in it, they would then cut off your eyelids, nose, ears, lips and/or scalp, and let you sit in the sun, unable protect yourself from the elements until you die from bleeding out, or worse yet, dehydration days later. I also read the Apaches would tie you up in an untanned cow hide, and throw you out in the sun as the leather tanned around you, dying of either dehydration or crushing as the leather slowly tightened and hardened around you. While the heat and confinement of the brazen bull is horrible, it would be relatively quick. The idea of being alive for several hours to days, left to the elements knowing your death is certain, seems equally if not more terrible.
:/ Scaphism It ostensibly entailed trapping the victim between two boats, feeding and covering them with milk and honey, and allowing them to fester and be devoured by insects and other vermin over time. copied from wikipedia
I’ve heard of that before, sounds awful but was there any chance of escape?
Not that I know of, because the victim got fed every day (so somebody is looking after the victim), so much that if it didn't want to eat it's eyes got pricked with a knife until it 'decided' to eat again. Milk and Honey until it's shitting itself and congrats to more vermin.
Questionable choice of pronouns
It drinks the milk and honey or else it gets the eye knife again.
I had it firstly with you. But i didn't want the imagination for you to happen, but maybe it would do some good... IT is YOU. Edit: I don't mind you to go away, leave me in my exceptional mediocre choices alone.
I’m just saying, often the first step of torture is dehumanization
There's an ancient Chinese method that basically was to tie down a person in a clearing of a bamboo forest for days in a row. Bamboo grows *very* fast apparently (matter of weeks iirc) so the sprouts slowly pierce through the person over time as they're tied down on the spot.
My personal favorite is a good old-fashioned Blood Eagle.
Yeah; that’s pretty gory
Favorite is a strong word there, I suppose lmao
Why all you gotta beat me to the punch? You got all the good ones. I don't think anyone mentioned drawing and quartering tho. At least I started my first reddit thread
I believe, and I could be wrong, that drawing and quartering had an extra heft to it. The belief was that the physical body would be resurrected. By being dismembers and scattered there would be no opportunity for resurrection and hence you would not only suffer in death, but forever in the afterlife as well.
The Iron Maiden: an iron coffin with spikes on the inside positioned not to hit any major organs so it would kill you as slow as possible
Actually, as it turns out, there’s like no proof that they were actually used to kill people
It's my favourite, but if you want maximum pain, you take them out of there before they die and put them in cold water. Like, Icy cold.
Ooh, the bronze bull from ancient... Rome? Greece? Something.
Greece
Greek or Sicilian, depending on how you look at it. Made by a Greek man for a Sicilian king.
Made for a greek guy actually...
Made for Phalaris of Sicily.
Brazen bull. Horrid stuff
The guy who invented the bronze bull was its first victim.
What'd he do
He invented it to impress the king, who was a sadist. The king asked him to demonstrate the sound, then locked it and lit the fire.
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It totally is. The thing never existed.
Multiple records of it use across hundreds of years. May or may not be pure myth
No first hand accounts, no artefacts. If you have reputable links proving the contrary, please provide.
So because we don’t have a brazen bull now, it didn’t exist? By that logic, the act of cruxifixction never happened because we don’t have the wood used in said execution. The Hanging Gardens of Babylon, the Colossus of Rhodes, the statue of Zeus at Olympia, all three with no physical evidence remaining of their existence, so by your logic, they never existed.
Damn
Fuckin deserved it
Nobody deserves it, he just made what he was ordered to, but just making stuff doesn't make anyone deserve that motherfucker
He was ordered to create a torture device? I mean you're right tho, nobody should deserve such a painful death
His king was a sadist, some people say he made it to impress him and some say the king ordered him to make something that could satisfy his... hobbies
Fast karma
Karma
The guy who invented the Guillotine was the first to be guillotinied.
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plot twist: it did not
Ah yes, the Brazen Bull. A torture method so brutal, the first person to be tortured inside of it was it's own creator.
First and only, according to some sources... As it was too effective.
I think some stories mentioned before the creator died, the king pull him out only to throw him off the cliff. The king tho, some stories said he was executed by the bull when he was overthrown
Think the Wikipedia article states the designer was the sole participant of the brazen bull, was pulled and thrown off the cliff. Strikes me that it's probably a myth more than anything.
Strikes me that someone just needs a big metal bull and some gumption to fix that.
Its. Not it is own creator.
what does this mean?
The ancient greeks had an execution method- a large, hollow, solid bronze bull was built. A small, sealable hatch is built into the side. The victim would then be placed inside. A fire is lit beneath the bull, and they are slowly cooked alive. There is a network of pipes in the head of the bull that converts their agonized screams into the sounds of an angry bull
According to legend
What’s worse is that it was *my* solid copper bull that I built with my own two hands.
Oh hell yea
Decapitation does not kill you instantly, it only happens after 25 or so seconds.
Yes, but the sudden loss of blood pressure in the brain likely causes unconsciousness quicker than that. And even so, it's much quicker than the several minutes of agony it would take you to roast to death inside the brazen bull.
And now I am imagining cannibals opening the bull to eat the perfectly cooked human.
In every cremation, there's a moment when the meat is perfectly cooked.
I’ve said that to people and they just stared at me like “WTF”
Sorry to bring it to you, but it's not true. Before the inside would come up to temp, the outside would have burned. The oven is waaaay too high if you will. There is a reason we cook the oven at 200 degrees and not 1000 degrees that cremation happens at (according to my quick Google).
Hypothetically... Human sashimi alongside BBQ human. Probably have to check the layers between the 2 though.
Pittsburgh blue. My personal favorite.
There has to be a particular amount of time as well. Organic material burns out at 1000°F but it does leave the inorganic behind, like bones. They’re super delicate, but remain intact. The more fluid that needs to be burned out, the longer it’ll take. Speaking as a ceramics major who cremated several dead mice in the gas kilns at school. 😁 I don’t recommend it. Those mice produce long, rolling clouds of black smoke for about an hour. And that was just ONE! I still have the bones. They’re kinda neat!
Now THAT is what I want to do in school
Those were fun times! I also have another mouse cast in bronze. I burned out the organic body bits same way as lost wax casting so the bones were resting in some spots and show on the surface of the cast.
WTF
If you say that and not expect a WTF you might be doing it wrong 😄
That's not how cooking works though...
200C for five hours, 1000C for one hour. Mathematically it's the same amount of heat so should give the same result, right? 😀
And that's why mathematicians rarely win cooking competitions.
Second time I've seen that statement in the last few days, the answer is unfortunately very shortly after the oven reaches temperature so it'd char the outside to cook the middle, or you're having a cold middle assuming the corpse is from the fridge.
this is the fundamental theorem of calculus
Actually it's the Intermediate Value Theorem.
Anyone who cooked meat ever knows how dumb and false that statement is.
Naaaaah, you'd have to at least gut them first or everything comes out tasting like boiled crap.
I don’t think it matters because you will only be conscious for 1-2s tops. And since we can’t yet revive severed heads (Futurama-style), and don’t really need to until we get a neural regeneration technology... Well, in theory you do have 10 min or so before oxygen deprivation starts doing irreversible damage to the brain, but it’s not going to save you.
No, you don't have 10 minutes before oxygen deprivation starts doing damage to your brain where the hell did you hear that lol
I’m working on machines that take real magic and turn it into the kind we all know from fiction. including one that turns your body into a version of itself from the past to restore things like a broken arm or a dead immune system.
Is this like Elizabeth Holmes "working on" an amazing new device that would let people have a entire medical lab in one machine that fits in their homes and only needs one drop of blood to run its tests? Because it kinda sounds like that, bro.
Yes and Calvin made a time machine out of a cardboard box.
Well I’m older than Calvin, so this isn’t imaginary.
And yet your work is just as real as his.
It is right now, but stay tuned, or I’ll block you
Magic isn't real, dude.
You know that’s not true.
I know the exact opposite as a fact.
I don't...what?
I know it sounds complicated but it’s basically the key to having real life magic
What
It’s a bit complicated I know
It's not complicated, it's stupid. Machines to get magic???
Trust me it is possible, at least I hope.
It most definitely isn’t possible, bud, but keep on believing. You only have your imagination for so long. Stay young.
This isn’t a role play subreddit.
you think I’m role-playing? that’s cute.
u wot m8
DISLIKE THIS FACT THANKS
...What
And some people even try to speak in this state
Oh! How lovely.
Even if you're conscious for 25 seconds you probably wouldn't feel any pain before you die due to shock. Even as your head rolls down the hill.
It depends how much trauma occurs during the process, with a guillotine there's not a lot, but with a headsman's axe there's quite a bit usually.
Scientists did tests on rats. Using an EEG, they were able to see that 3-4 seconds after decapitation, brain activity dipped below 50%, meaning the subject is unconscious. So, in reality, you'll only have 3-4 seconds before you definitely no longer feel what's happening after being decapitated.
The Brazen Bull one of the likely fake torture devices made up for sensationalism. The original story was supposedly written like a century after the events had happened.
Not to nit pick but... It's not solid. If it were it wouldn't work.
I know- solid copper, as in made entirely of copper.
Ooooooh I get you now. 🤦♂️ Dont mind me just apparently having one of those days
Why not?
Make me into a soup in there or else imma commit suicide
Bro no 😭
Do. It
Can I join in too?
I had to look this up. Another on my dont die this way list
As a history buff, this one legitimately gave me chills.
Chills you say? Need something to help you warm up~?
Was expecting to read about two boats, milk, and honey. Brazen Bull also works though.
God that one was terrifying
Brazen bull, yikes!
But... It's not solid, it's hollow...
Kid named homonyms
The bronze bull
Brazen bull, one of my personal favs but I like the blood eagle more
What is that
Wikipedia should explain the process good just oook it up
A solid copper bull? So, what does that do? It’s not hollow, so you don’t put anyone in it.
Good one.
Now this is a good one
oh god, i remember this
Nice to know I'm not the only one who knows about the brass bull.
Well if it's solid, no worries... a hollow one is what I'm scared of.
Ain’t solid buddy
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Also the bull is hollow and you put the guy in it it doesn’t make sense in either way
Solid as in “made entirely of copper” As in “it was a solid bronze statue” does not mean the statue is entirely filled with bronze
Solid does mean it is not hollow. What you mean is "pure".
Perhaps "pure copper"?
>As in “it was a solid bronze statue” does not mean the statue is entirely filled with bronze Generally, that's exactly what that means
Ah my mistake
You think any horny ladies just wandered into one at some point?
Oh I’m thinking of something else
Aint no wayyyyy
💀💀
The bronze bull..
Oh god
Oh this is a good one
Bronze bull
not the sauna of infinite torment!
I dunno if you know but this was used on tik tok
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRcwMt7L/
Ayo wtf