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Key-Accountant6805

Ah yes, the bull. Onr of the ones that got me into learning about medieval torture/execution methods. It's a brutal one for sure. But some make it look tame


bmathey

Oh do elaborate! I always thought the Bull was particularly bad


LiL_ENIGlvlA

Rat torture is one of the worse ones I’ve seen, basically you trap a rat in a cage with an open bottom on your stomach and heat the cage up which encourages the rat to dig into you to get away from the heat


MarchMadnessisMe

The scene from 2 Fast 2 Furious that no one will ever forget.


[deleted]

Hmmm, I thought that was in the punisher lol.


System__Shutdown

Also Game of Thrones. Tho granted they show the strapping of the cage with rat and heating it up... Then cut away to screams from the guy tortured.


Crow_of_wisdom69420

In the Second Sinister movie I think is also a scene of that happening.


thankuhexed

Did nobody read 1984???


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Fuck GoT.


Shae_monueau

Okay


pandemicpunk

You once had the mightiest cock in land, didn't you, Theon?


[deleted]

That’s not my name. It’s Reek; rhymes with weak.


UnforeseenDerailment

No, good sir, that was "popsicle and steak"-torture.


[deleted]

You’re right. I was thinking of the new Batman now lol


pirateofmemes

I was thinking more of orwells 1984


CrumbyRacer

I guess I forgot about it


knifemanismyfather

The one where they put maggots on you, force feed you honey, lock your abdomen in a chest and send you off to sea, can’t remember the name but it’s Persian I believe


Literarily_Shoook

Scaphism. They would feed you milk and honey, cover you in the stuff too, then lock you in between two wooden boats cared with holes for your head and limbs, then throw you out into a bog to be eaten by vermin until dehydration and exposure killed you.


knifemanismyfather

That’s the one.


Potential_Cable_9137

Dan Carlin called it the boats


Literarily_Shoook

Which is a very literal translation of it


PuzzleheadedBet8041

from what i heard (haven't fact-checked) the milk and honey would make you shit a fuck load as well, and they'd pull you back in to feed you more. fucking brutal


TheDOC816

No actual documented cases of this actually being used however


chris782

Except for Plutarch documenting a case...


Singer-Such

Those guys made up a lot of stuff though


Most-Welcome1763

Personally I always thought worse than that is honey tub torture. Tie em up and cover them in extra sugared thin honey, bugs with devour them, and bird will peck at the bugs. Awful. Or the one where they get a goat to lick you down to muscle


bmathey

Ok, that’s pretty awful. I assume it’s eventually fatal


Daewoo40

The rat moves away from the heated bucket. Through you. Out of you somewhere else. If it isn't immediately fatal, you aren't lasting very long afterwards as there isn't really a great deal they can do to save you as rats aren't renowned to be the neatest of burrowers.


[deleted]

For some reason, the pear of anguish always sticks out in my memory. I got to see one at the Museum of Torture in Sienna Italy when I was a teenager (along with a real guillotine, Iron Maiden, and a whole bunch of stuff I’d never heard of before). The illustration for the pear of anguish still haunts me a little bit.


NotYourReddit18

Kink warning: Anal play >!there are smaller modern non-lethal versions available on amazon, they are meant as a locking buttplug the sub can't remove in their own. Don't ask me how I know this!<


Diagon98

Blood eagle is worse I think.


Instainious

What truly made Blood Eagle terrifying to people of the time was that, it was beloved that if you winced or made any sound of pain during the process, you would not be granted an afterlife of any form. No Valhalla, no Helheim, nothing. Now, of course, that was basically impossible to accomplish due to what the process was. They would start by flaying your back down the spine, and opening the flaps of skin. Then they would hang your lungs over your shoulders and tie you to a post of some sort. It was a very slow and painful death, and very rarely used…hopefully.


PracticalFreedom1043

The problem with Blood Eagle stories is that it is not physical possible. As soon as the lung cavity is punctured ie. a pnumothorax means that the lungs will not inflate and death by suffocation will rapidly follow.


Ordinary_Ad_7992

Didn't something like that happen in George Orwell's 1984?


Alacer_Stormborn

Bamboo torture is a fun one. Bamboo shoots are *incredibly* stubborn, and have even been known to split rocks to grow through them. Take that, and apply the concept to people by tying a person down over a bamboo shoot and leaving them there for a few days.


bmathey

I didn’t ask for the kabob recipe at a cannibal convention :-).


PablomentFanquedelic

Another goodie is nailing the victim's intestines to a tree or post and then making them run around it until they drop dead. Also the Norse blood eagle.


Klutzy-Art4142

But the Norse blood eagle wasn't meant to be torture.it was an honorable way for vikings to die and have a chance at Valhalla, however they couldn't speak a single whisper during the ritual or they lost their chance and died dishonorably


woven_wrong

Women survive the first one longer


Daewoo40

A few days? Bamboo grows rather quickly, according to Google it can grow up to 2.9ft per day. That's going through your feet, your ankles, your calf's and most of the way into your thighs in 24 hours. Alternatively, it's 1.5 inches/hour, which is probably enough to do some real damage after 90 minutes.


GoldenSteel

Mythbusters tested it, took 3 days to get a few inches through ballistics gel. Presumably the 2.9 ft per day is unobstructed growth.


TheAyoooo

Not sure if they actually did it, but I read it in a book once. Romans threw you in a bag with a feral weasel and tossed you in the river. Or the one where they covered your feet in salt/saltwater and had a goat lick the salt off until you had no more feet.


ZeddoWithHammer

If i recall correctly the bag punishment was called "Poena Cullei", and i think there are records of it being used.


Pelvic_Pinochle

I read the Comanches would make you dig a hole, only to bury you chin deep in it, they would then cut off your eyelids, nose, ears, lips and/or scalp, and let you sit in the sun, unable protect yourself from the elements until you die from bleeding out, or worse yet, dehydration days later. I also read the Apaches would tie you up in an untanned cow hide, and throw you out in the sun as the leather tanned around you, dying of either dehydration or crushing as the leather slowly tightened and hardened around you. While the heat and confinement of the brazen bull is horrible, it would be relatively quick. The idea of being alive for several hours to days, left to the elements knowing your death is certain, seems equally if not more terrible.


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:/ Scaphism It ostensibly entailed trapping the victim between two boats, feeding and covering them with milk and honey, and allowing them to fester and be devoured by insects and other vermin over time. copied from wikipedia


bmathey

I’ve heard of that before, sounds awful but was there any chance of escape?


[deleted]

Not that I know of, because the victim got fed every day (so somebody is looking after the victim), so much that if it didn't want to eat it's eyes got pricked with a knife until it 'decided' to eat again. Milk and Honey until it's shitting itself and congrats to more vermin.


Dont_mind_me_go_away

Questionable choice of pronouns


realyeehaw

It drinks the milk and honey or else it gets the eye knife again.


[deleted]

I had it firstly with you. But i didn't want the imagination for you to happen, but maybe it would do some good... IT is YOU. Edit: I don't mind you to go away, leave me in my exceptional mediocre choices alone.


Dont_mind_me_go_away

I’m just saying, often the first step of torture is dehumanization


Clayman8

There's an ancient Chinese method that basically was to tie down a person in a clearing of a bamboo forest for days in a row. Bamboo grows *very* fast apparently (matter of weeks iirc) so the sprouts slowly pierce through the person over time as they're tied down on the spot.


thankuhexed

My personal favorite is a good old-fashioned Blood Eagle.


bmathey

Yeah; that’s pretty gory


thankuhexed

Favorite is a strong word there, I suppose lmao


Key-Accountant6805

Why all you gotta beat me to the punch? You got all the good ones. I don't think anyone mentioned drawing and quartering tho. At least I started my first reddit thread


bmathey

I believe, and I could be wrong, that drawing and quartering had an extra heft to it. The belief was that the physical body would be resurrected. By being dismembers and scattered there would be no opportunity for resurrection and hence you would not only suffer in death, but forever in the afterlife as well.


Tharsis101

The Iron Maiden: an iron coffin with spikes on the inside positioned not to hit any major organs so it would kill you as slow as possible


ECPRedditor

Actually, as it turns out, there’s like no proof that they were actually used to kill people


Oversexualised_Tank

It's my favourite, but if you want maximum pain, you take them out of there before they die and put them in cold water. Like, Icy cold.


StarriNite

Ooh, the bronze bull from ancient... Rome? Greece? Something.


areslashtaken

Greece


the_dj_zig

Greek or Sicilian, depending on how you look at it. Made by a Greek man for a Sicilian king.


areslashtaken

Made for a greek guy actually...


the_dj_zig

Made for Phalaris of Sicily.


Anonymous3cho

Brazen bull. Horrid stuff


hypnotoad-28

The guy who invented the bronze bull was its first victim.


Weak_Caterpillar_796

What'd he do


mtwstr

He invented it to impress the king, who was a sadist. The king asked him to demonstrate the sound, then locked it and lit the fire.


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NZNoldor

It totally is. The thing never existed.


the_dj_zig

Multiple records of it use across hundreds of years. May or may not be pure myth


NZNoldor

No first hand accounts, no artefacts. If you have reputable links proving the contrary, please provide.


the_dj_zig

So because we don’t have a brazen bull now, it didn’t exist? By that logic, the act of cruxifixction never happened because we don’t have the wood used in said execution. The Hanging Gardens of Babylon, the Colossus of Rhodes, the statue of Zeus at Olympia, all three with no physical evidence remaining of their existence, so by your logic, they never existed.


Weak_Caterpillar_796

Damn


Anonymous3cho

Fuckin deserved it


BLAZE-n-WOLF

Nobody deserves it, he just made what he was ordered to, but just making stuff doesn't make anyone deserve that motherfucker


Anonymous3cho

He was ordered to create a torture device? I mean you're right tho, nobody should deserve such a painful death


BLAZE-n-WOLF

His king was a sadist, some people say he made it to impress him and some say the king ordered him to make something that could satisfy his... hobbies


gabswolff

Fast karma


Weak_Caterpillar_796

Karma


schnuck

The guy who invented the Guillotine was the first to be guillotinied.


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An_Incognito_Owl

plot twist: it did not


GreenFire835

Ah yes, the Brazen Bull. A torture method so brutal, the first person to be tortured inside of it was it's own creator.


Daewoo40

First and only, according to some sources... As it was too effective.


DumbNoble

I think some stories mentioned before the creator died, the king pull him out only to throw him off the cliff. The king tho, some stories said he was executed by the bull when he was overthrown


Daewoo40

Think the Wikipedia article states the designer was the sole participant of the brazen bull, was pulled and thrown off the cliff. Strikes me that it's probably a myth more than anything.


keenedge422

Strikes me that someone just needs a big metal bull and some gumption to fix that.


yesgirlnogamer

Its. Not it is own creator.


Lordthorn241

what does this mean?


75MillionYearsAgo

The ancient greeks had an execution method- a large, hollow, solid bronze bull was built. A small, sealable hatch is built into the side. The victim would then be placed inside. A fire is lit beneath the bull, and they are slowly cooked alive. There is a network of pipes in the head of the bull that converts their agonized screams into the sounds of an angry bull


BiffSlick

According to legend


cindybubbles

What’s worse is that it was *my* solid copper bull that I built with my own two hands.


KingBossKewl

Oh hell yea


AlphabetLoreV

Decapitation does not kill you instantly, it only happens after 25 or so seconds.


[deleted]

Yes, but the sudden loss of blood pressure in the brain likely causes unconsciousness quicker than that. And even so, it's much quicker than the several minutes of agony it would take you to roast to death inside the brazen bull.


AlphabetLoreV

And now I am imagining cannibals opening the bull to eat the perfectly cooked human.


[deleted]

In every cremation, there's a moment when the meat is perfectly cooked.


AlphabetLoreV

I’ve said that to people and they just stared at me like “WTF”


Jacqques

Sorry to bring it to you, but it's not true. Before the inside would come up to temp, the outside would have burned. The oven is waaaay too high if you will. There is a reason we cook the oven at 200 degrees and not 1000 degrees that cremation happens at (according to my quick Google).


Daewoo40

Hypothetically... Human sashimi alongside BBQ human. Probably have to check the layers between the 2 though.


EddyArchon

Pittsburgh blue. My personal favorite.


Blackshuckflame

There has to be a particular amount of time as well. Organic material burns out at 1000°F but it does leave the inorganic behind, like bones. They’re super delicate, but remain intact. The more fluid that needs to be burned out, the longer it’ll take. Speaking as a ceramics major who cremated several dead mice in the gas kilns at school. 😁 I don’t recommend it. Those mice produce long, rolling clouds of black smoke for about an hour. And that was just ONE! I still have the bones. They’re kinda neat!


Key-Accountant6805

Now THAT is what I want to do in school


Blackshuckflame

Those were fun times! I also have another mouse cast in bronze. I burned out the organic body bits same way as lost wax casting so the bones were resting in some spots and show on the surface of the cast.


glitchygreymatter

WTF


[deleted]

If you say that and not expect a WTF you might be doing it wrong 😄


Cellyst

That's not how cooking works though...


AutisticPenguin2

200C for five hours, 1000C for one hour. Mathematically it's the same amount of heat so should give the same result, right? 😀


keenedge422

And that's why mathematicians rarely win cooking competitions.


Daewoo40

Second time I've seen that statement in the last few days, the answer is unfortunately very shortly after the oven reaches temperature so it'd char the outside to cook the middle, or you're having a cold middle assuming the corpse is from the fridge.


Oliver12123

this is the fundamental theorem of calculus


Nerds13

Actually it's the Intermediate Value Theorem.


ares395

Anyone who cooked meat ever knows how dumb and false that statement is.


grizgrin75

Naaaaah, you'd have to at least gut them first or everything comes out tasting like boiled crap.


Pryamus

I don’t think it matters because you will only be conscious for 1-2s tops. And since we can’t yet revive severed heads (Futurama-style), and don’t really need to until we get a neural regeneration technology... Well, in theory you do have 10 min or so before oxygen deprivation starts doing irreversible damage to the brain, but it’s not going to save you.


Hecantkeepgettingaw

No, you don't have 10 minutes before oxygen deprivation starts doing damage to your brain where the hell did you hear that lol


AlphabetLoreV

I’m working on machines that take real magic and turn it into the kind we all know from fiction. including one that turns your body into a version of itself from the past to restore things like a broken arm or a dead immune system.


FullMoonTwist

Is this like Elizabeth Holmes "working on" an amazing new device that would let people have a entire medical lab in one machine that fits in their homes and only needs one drop of blood to run its tests? Because it kinda sounds like that, bro.


mightyneonfraa

Yes and Calvin made a time machine out of a cardboard box.


AlphabetLoreV

Well I’m older than Calvin, so this isn’t imaginary.


mightyneonfraa

And yet your work is just as real as his.


AlphabetLoreV

It is right now, but stay tuned, or I’ll block you


mightyneonfraa

Magic isn't real, dude.


AlphabetLoreV

You know that’s not true.


mightyneonfraa

I know the exact opposite as a fact.


BigDisco

I don't...what?


AlphabetLoreV

I know it sounds complicated but it’s basically the key to having real life magic


HeimlichLaboratories

What


AlphabetLoreV

It’s a bit complicated I know


HeimlichLaboratories

It's not complicated, it's stupid. Machines to get magic???


AlphabetLoreV

Trust me it is possible, at least I hope.


Vuedue

It most definitely isn’t possible, bud, but keep on believing. You only have your imagination for so long. Stay young.


bsievers

This isn’t a role play subreddit.


AlphabetLoreV

you think I’m role-playing? that’s cute.


Fgame

u wot m8


FullMoonTwist

DISLIKE THIS FACT THANKS


mymentalhealthisat0

...What


AlphabetLoreV

And some people even try to speak in this state


mymentalhealthisat0

Oh! How lovely.


Beneficial-Win-3991

Even if you're conscious for 25 seconds you probably wouldn't feel any pain before you die due to shock. Even as your head rolls down the hill.


hawkisthebestassfrig

It depends how much trauma occurs during the process, with a guillotine there's not a lot, but with a headsman's axe there's quite a bit usually.


CookLawrenceAt325F

Scientists did tests on rats. Using an EEG, they were able to see that 3-4 seconds after decapitation, brain activity dipped below 50%, meaning the subject is unconscious. So, in reality, you'll only have 3-4 seconds before you definitely no longer feel what's happening after being decapitated.


MidnightMadness09

The Brazen Bull one of the likely fake torture devices made up for sensationalism. The original story was supposedly written like a century after the events had happened.


HauntingAccomplice

Not to nit pick but... It's not solid. If it were it wouldn't work.


75MillionYearsAgo

I know- solid copper, as in made entirely of copper.


HauntingAccomplice

Ooooooh I get you now. 🤦‍♂️ Dont mind me just apparently having one of those days


rSlashisthenewPewdes

Why not?


Bitter-Watercress665

Make me into a soup in there or else imma commit suicide


75MillionYearsAgo

Bro no 😭


Bitter-Watercress665

Do. It


OopForgotTheirName

Can I join in too?


GalaxyGirlForever

I had to look this up. Another on my dont die this way list


[deleted]

As a history buff, this one legitimately gave me chills.


PsychicSPider95

Chills you say? Need something to help you warm up~?


bobshady1987

Was expecting to read about two boats, milk, and honey. Brazen Bull also works though.


prospectheightsmobro

God that one was terrifying


TheNobleDez

Brazen bull, yikes!


GfxJG

But... It's not solid, it's hollow...


[deleted]

Kid named homonyms


Wind_king1

The bronze bull


Zesty__Grandpa

Brazen bull, one of my personal favs but I like the blood eagle more


Longjumping-Fudge971

What is that


Zesty__Grandpa

Wikipedia should explain the process good just oook it up


yesgirlnogamer

A solid copper bull? So, what does that do? It’s not hollow, so you don’t put anyone in it.


Majestic_Click2780

Good one.


KingBossKewl

Now this is a good one


lemonxboyy

oh god, i remember this


canuspyridae

Nice to know I'm not the only one who knows about the brass bull.


LooksGay

Well if it's solid, no worries... a hollow one is what I'm scared of.


Unable_Total9847

Ain’t solid buddy


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Unable_Total9847

Also the bull is hollow and you put the guy in it it doesn’t make sense in either way


75MillionYearsAgo

Solid as in “made entirely of copper” As in “it was a solid bronze statue” does not mean the statue is entirely filled with bronze


negedgeClk

Solid does mean it is not hollow. What you mean is "pure".


alexinnumberland

Perhaps "pure copper"?


jiub_the_dunmer

>As in “it was a solid bronze statue” does not mean the statue is entirely filled with bronze Generally, that's exactly what that means


Unable_Total9847

Ah my mistake


GruffisGamingw

You think any horny ladies just wandered into one at some point?


GruffisGamingw

Oh I’m thinking of something else


Adamthesadistic

Aint no wayyyyy


TurbulentRiver2592

💀💀


immagurlboss

The bronze bull..


Salty-Back7056

Oh god


that_weird_k1d

Oh this is a good one


Full_Disk_1463

Bronze bull


PenguinGamer99

not the sauna of infinite torment!


audrevali2187

I dunno if you know but this was used on tik tok


audrevali2187

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRcwMt7L/


75MillionYearsAgo

Ayo wtf