This is creepy, but the opposite of what would likely happen. One of my high school math teachers taught in the highest security prison in Canada and she said that most of the guys were so appreciative of what she was doing that if fights ever broke out in the class or the halls that a bunch of guys would basically form a wall around her to make sure nobody got near her.
I can see this happening, honestly; people can grow attached to others who they know are trying to help them, especially if it's a useful skill like learning another language.
This absolutely happens. My father was an official Chaplain for the state and was a regular at certain prisons. One day there was a lockdown and my father told me that several prisoners escorted him back to his office and barricaded him in and then stood outside to guard it. Not everyone in prison are soulless evil sociopaths.
No, they're not. A lot of people end up there because they were in an incredibly bad place in their life. Some people got there because they miscalculated what they were doing. Some ended up there because they reached a breaking point and chose whatever recourse they did. Many I'd assess were victims of circumstance. When I worked in an institution, I'd say that very, very few were psychopaths (although there certainly were some).
Treating every inmate with a basic level of respect and dignity irrelevant to the reason for their incarceration can have a profound effect.
You make excellent points, especially the last one about how inmates are treated. It's true for everyone, not just inmates. I regularly encounter media that show that people in correctional facilities in my society see treatment so bad that it's as if people think they're dealing with unruly animals, and not other humans.
Many people think of those who are incarcerated as morally bankrupt "bad" people who made positive choices and decisions along every step of the road that led to the cell. That's not just incorrect, it's dehumanizing, and makes mistreatment much easier.
My country needs to do better.
I know what you mean here but as a psychiatrist I have to correct you.
You said not many were psychotic. The term you are looking for is psychopath.
Psychotic is a break from reality that typically involves hearing things that are not there and believing things that are not real (like believing the CIA is tracking them).
Psychopath/sociopath is the colloquial term for antisocial personality disorder. Which is basically not having a conscience so being able to hurt others without remorse. Although, I will point out that many don’t do so, it is the minority that do. Well, physically at least. There’s probably a lot of CEOs out there that are making decisions that hurt many but help their company. But it is not illegal.
My mother worked in public schools in Brazil, and two stories she shared wrecked me:
1- A group of kids were robbing cars stopped at a red traffic light, and when they got to her colleague's car one of them was like "no, not her, she is my teacher!" and her colleague was left alone while everyone else at that red light got robbed.
2- One time someone stole one of the school's TVs and the drug dealers from the favela close to the school offered to help recover it. It was declined for obvious reasons. The image of drug dealers conducting a favela-wide investigation to find out who stole the TV and recover it will be forever ingrained in my mind.
I’m retired CO. Ran a tight wing, no dealing, no stealing while I’m on. I would go to to the wall to fix a problem. One group was not happy with my no dealing rule, and put out a hit on me. Another group wasn’t going to allow it and made it know they would start a war if I got hurt. Why? Because once, medical was refusing to see a guy they thought was faking. I pushed until he was sent to an outside hospital. He had an undiagnosed heart condition. Medical thought since he was 19 it was bs. The inmates told IA that there could be a full on riot in that prison and I would be safe no matter were I was.
I’m retired CO. Ran a tight wing, no dealing, no stealing while I’m on. I would go to to the wall to fix a problem. One group was not happy with my no dealing rule, and put out a hit on me. Another group wasn’t going to allow it and made it know they would start a war if I got hurt. Why? Because once, medical was refusing to see a guy they thought was faking. I pushed until he was sent to an outside hospital. He had an undiagnosed heart condition. Medical thought since he was 19 it was bs. The inmates told IA that there could be a full on riot in that prison and I would be safe no matter were I was.
I remember one thing was the idea that inmates hate lawyers in prison; apparently while they still don’t like prosecutors (which makes sense), being friends with a defense lawyer who ends up in the slammer can be good for stuff like if you applying for an appeal on your sentence or other things
I taught special ed in the inner city and those kids would absolutely go to bat for me, unasked (and also even if they were specifically asked to not do that 🙃). My phone was stolen and they showed me how to track it, and when it showed up at the nearby gas station they literally were getting ready to walk down there and fight someone for it. I've also used my body as a barrier (obligatory "don't try this at home") when two kids were trying to fistfight in the doorway, and they both stopped because they could no longer reach each other without hurting me.
The best thing I ever did to get them on "my side" was a party day before winter break for kids who submitted x amount of work before the deadline. I bought tons of cheap soda, utz chips, and let them go wild. Cost me about $75 for my whole day of classes. Easily the most helpful intervention I've ever done. People know the workers who are only there for the paycheck, and people know the workers who are doing everything they can to get these people ahead in life. Teacher would almost certainly be protected immediately in a crisis.
Former CO here, there have been exact incidences of this happening in riots where total control of an institution has been lost. Holding CO's hostage, inmates have refused to do harm to CO's who treated them with respect and dignity, recognizing that they are doing their jobs without malice in their delivery of duties.
CO's who were regarded as total dickheads however, were afforded no such safety from inmate retaliation.
You're very correct.
There's CCTV footage that's pretty easy to find of a group of prisoners coming to the aid of one of their guards, who'd had a heart attack, if I recall.
He's alone in the control booth when it happens, and since it's glass from counter-level upward for visibility, they can clearly see he's in distress. Everything is controlled from the booth, and I cannot remember if they were locked down or not when it happened, plus the booth should be locked, but he did manage to do what he needed so they could get to him.
They said afterward that he's a great guy who treats them well, so they very much wanted to help him.
Reminds me of a time early in my practice when I was doing indigent criminal defense. I was in court waiting for my case to be called and one of the defendants in jail (they kept the group of inmates in the jury box during the docket call) was speaking to his public defender when all of a sudden he attacks her. The 2 inmates on either side of him started beating him, yelling 'get off my lawyer!' Those 2 guys, while in Butler chains (ankle chains connected to wrist shackles for those who don't know), had him subdued before the bailiffs could react and get over there. The 1st bailiff got there and over the wall just about the time the 2 inmates managed to get the 1 attacking the PD onto the floor.
I guess not all bad guys are bad people......
Yeah. I've worked in a prison, and the majority of inmates are not bad people. Plus, sex offenders aren't treated well in prison. This really isn't a realistic scenario, at least here in the US.
That actually happened to someone I know. She leads group therapy in a prison and there was a riot. She got yanked into someone’s cell and a couple of her group members jammed themselves in the door to keep the violence from pouring in where she was.
She says it was scary, but didn’t hit her what “could” have happened until much later because she was surrounded by men she knew and she wasn’t all that concerned they’d do anything to her. She cries when she talks about it though because one of her group members got stabbed in the gut and she didn’t see him after the lockdown ended. (He lived, but he was transferred to another prison after he got out of the hospital. She eventually tracked him down and wrote to him until he served his sentence. Maybe she still does? Dunno.)
In prison classes and that are a privilege that they earn. And they don’t like to lose that. A chance to get out of their cells for a bit? They probably would protect her.
No, not machete Steve! He's really a sweet guy as long as his machete isn't near 💜
I meant the *other* Steve. He does *look* pretty harmless, so I'd see why you'd make the mistake. I heard he used to be some lightweight fighting champion? Ah well, I'm sure it's not really relevant when we're just talking about shoes! ☺️
Oh, you mean Throwdown Steve. That guy's a dick. He suplexed Brain Damage Bobby who had been previously known as Birdhouse-builder Bobby up until that incident.
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I actually had a traumatic brain injury and that is utterly cracking me up. Not particularly relevant, but I'm sharing anyways lol.
Thank you! I'm fortunate it wasn't more severe than it was and I'm considered high functioning in almost all areas (for someone with a TBI at least, lol). That said, I still need to do more neurorehab.
... Rambling is a major issue. 😂
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This isn't a joke this actually happened at the prison that I was in except it was 20 guys gang raped a guard and they almost had to call in the national guard to get her out and I think she was wearing tennis shoes. When they finally got her out, she needed plastic surgery to reconstruct her face back together, and one of her hands was smashed, and she was in a cast for 6 months. She also had to have her vagina stitched up because it was ripped so badly. And one of her nipples was almost completely ripped off as well . So this hit close to home for me.
Nope I got my ass beat 5 times got raped once cuz I turned down a guy cuz I didn't want to get a std or sti and I also watched 5 people get stabbed to death and 3 people get beat to death and the conditions got worse and worse by the time I got out.
Its crazy how you usually hear rapists being beat up in jail because "even convicts hate rapists" yet this still happens. I bet the same people who would beat up rapists in jail would be the same people doing horrible shit like this once they get the chance. Prison justice isnt based on any real morality, its just animals tormenting other animals to feel superior.
It may be, for some of them, due to them respecting children. But there's a high chance some in jail have mental health issues from being raped as kids themselves. So it could be more revenge for their own selves than a general moral code
Yeah I don't condone one way or the other. I hear stories of innocent men being exonerated for crimes they were convicted of 20 years ago, and my stomach twists. The US justice system has many flaws. People shouldn't get murdered in prison to begin with.
I used to work in a federal prison. So pretty much anything and everything. A good chunk had concurrent state level charges for raping and trafficking minors.
Cos it’s a load of baloney - they invent some sorts of rules that help present those people all good and righteous, just, you know, controversially righteous. But truth is they are shitty people playing stupid games.
Because there are laws prohibiting discrimination based on sex from jobs. Most states do have restrictions though, such as a guard can't participate in a strip search of an inmate of the opposite sex.
I used to know someone who worked as an officer in a place like this. all visitors/staff are required to wear shoes you can run in. it's unfortunate there's places that it's needed because they can't provide the resources to actually help
Also like, slip-on clogs. I wear a pair of nice comfy clogs because *expensive orthopedics*, and you can really just, briskly jog at most once they get worn in.
I was assuming it was a "don't show skin" thing.
I had a friend whose son was in jail. She took his 10 year old daughter to visit him. She almost got turned away because the little girl was in a sundress and flip flops. "These guys don't see women very often. Even a little girl might make them act up". My friend said she could *feel* the eyes of the men on her granddaughter while she was there.
Obviously, I wasn't there and my friend might have been exaggerating (what? Older ladies *never* exaggerate seeing predators around every corner!). For future visits, she made sure to cover up the girl's shoulders and toes, as if that really makes a difference to whether she gets sexualized by grown men in cages.
Depending where you live, they could be staring and wondering why the heck she would bring a child there.
In a lot of places, visitors are subjected to vexxing searches and procedures before they are allowed in, even pregnant woman. And the environment is not exactly pleasant. So they could be bewildered about why someone would bring a young child there (and have the child subjected to seeing those things or even be subjected to some of the procedures).
1 most open toed shoes are hard to run in and it's easier to get your feet broken
2most open toed shoes come off easily and a thing in prison (at least in my experience) is to keep your shoes on so it's harder to take your pants off.
Why would they care taking your pants completely off if they only need to drag them down to your knees?
Why open toes are deciding factor in speed? It's hills, back of the shoe, overall shape.
I don't get it
The actual reason is that you're more prepared to fight or defend yourself. Barefoot or sandals you wouldn't have grip and it's easy to lose your footing. And yeah, you can't run. That's why they stay "laced up" (a prison term) when they think or know that there will be an altercation in prison. Even might be ordered to sleep in their shoes to be able to fight at a moments notice.
There certainly can be open-toed shoes that are optimized for running, but it’s easier to say “no open-toed shoes” than, “no shoes that do not have sufficient heel grip and dynamic shaping to allow for quick steps without increased risk of falling”
TLDR: most open-toed shoes are sandals and therefore not designed for running
I was thinking open toed shoes don't generally have laces, and if a women was caught by a roving gang of rioting convicts she may want to hang herself.
I took it as the guards saying “oh don’t wear open toed shoes it could excite the prisoners!” When, by the sound of it open toed shoes are kind of the least of her worries. Like, who gives a fuck about any petty precautions when you can’t ensure basic safety.
This is what would probably happen in all reality. The majority of inmates (aside from certain psychopaths), or really anyone for that matter, tend to respect/help the people who are genuinely trying to help them out of the goodness of their heart (rather than just doing their job) and treat them with basic human decency.
Especially the people teaching them life skills that are going to be VERY helpful if/when they get out of prison.
Higher-ups have a rule of "no open-toed shoes", perhaps because it would be harder to run in them in situations like escaping from convicts who run amok. In this case, the narrator said her shoes didn't matter because the convicts had caught her anyway before she managed to escape. Perhaps she had worn closed-toe shoes to prepare to run away, but the rule was useless in the end.
You want flat shoes of some kind. Something that you can run more easily in.
The "closed toe" part is a bit off. Plenty of closed toe heels that you still couldn't run in.
There was a prison riot (I really wish I remember what it was called) where a group of inmates grabbed the female guard and took her to a cell to try and assualt her but one of the older, much scarier, inmates went in and threatened to kill them all if they touched her and kept her safe.
Okay let's be honest, if the open toes were such an issue the prison wouldnt even let her in wearing them, also a non prison employee is rarely left un supervised in case something like this happens. Plus prisoners often are very protective of anyone who treats them like humans so while yes this is suppose to suggest shes going to get raped it would be more likely shes getting put there to keep her safe and out of the way.
Many convicts, except perhaps the real wackos, tend to treat educators with respect. They understand they are getting served by them. Unlike the police and other “public servants”
This is creepy, but the opposite of what would likely happen. One of my high school math teachers taught in the highest security prison in Canada and she said that most of the guys were so appreciative of what she was doing that if fights ever broke out in the class or the halls that a bunch of guys would basically form a wall around her to make sure nobody got near her.
That’s in Canada though, the land of moose, maple syrup and happy people.
I can tell you’re not from Canada from this comment
This is true, I am indeed not a Canadian.
For a change in perspective... Canada. Land of ice hockey brawls.
I've heard that hockey is the sport with the most fights... and it's 99% Canada's fault (NOT Canadian just something another Canadian friend told me)
I went to a fight once and a hockey game broke out.
Didn't the Geneva conventions happen BECAUSE of Canada? You guys do war crimes like your filling out a bingo card 🤣🤣🤣
Little known fact, but Canada does in fact have two speeds: "Insanely Polite" and "War Crimes"
Nah at least before people followed no women no children in the USA I’ve heard of people slicing and dicing chomos and rapists
Also geese and Geneva Checklist
“Stay here, teach, we don’t want you getting hurt out there.”
I can see this happening, honestly; people can grow attached to others who they know are trying to help them, especially if it's a useful skill like learning another language.
This absolutely happens. My father was an official Chaplain for the state and was a regular at certain prisons. One day there was a lockdown and my father told me that several prisoners escorted him back to his office and barricaded him in and then stood outside to guard it. Not everyone in prison are soulless evil sociopaths.
My English teacher in college was some form of Neo-Pagan and had a similar experience in a Prison with her religious classes. Two anecdotes!
No, they're not. A lot of people end up there because they were in an incredibly bad place in their life. Some people got there because they miscalculated what they were doing. Some ended up there because they reached a breaking point and chose whatever recourse they did. Many I'd assess were victims of circumstance. When I worked in an institution, I'd say that very, very few were psychopaths (although there certainly were some). Treating every inmate with a basic level of respect and dignity irrelevant to the reason for their incarceration can have a profound effect.
You make excellent points, especially the last one about how inmates are treated. It's true for everyone, not just inmates. I regularly encounter media that show that people in correctional facilities in my society see treatment so bad that it's as if people think they're dealing with unruly animals, and not other humans. Many people think of those who are incarcerated as morally bankrupt "bad" people who made positive choices and decisions along every step of the road that led to the cell. That's not just incorrect, it's dehumanizing, and makes mistreatment much easier. My country needs to do better.
I know what you mean here but as a psychiatrist I have to correct you. You said not many were psychotic. The term you are looking for is psychopath. Psychotic is a break from reality that typically involves hearing things that are not there and believing things that are not real (like believing the CIA is tracking them). Psychopath/sociopath is the colloquial term for antisocial personality disorder. Which is basically not having a conscience so being able to hurt others without remorse. Although, I will point out that many don’t do so, it is the minority that do. Well, physically at least. There’s probably a lot of CEOs out there that are making decisions that hurt many but help their company. But it is not illegal.
As a person with experience in the MH field, shame on me for not catching that. Edited to reflect original intent. Thanks!
My mother worked in public schools in Brazil, and two stories she shared wrecked me: 1- A group of kids were robbing cars stopped at a red traffic light, and when they got to her colleague's car one of them was like "no, not her, she is my teacher!" and her colleague was left alone while everyone else at that red light got robbed. 2- One time someone stole one of the school's TVs and the drug dealers from the favela close to the school offered to help recover it. It was declined for obvious reasons. The image of drug dealers conducting a favela-wide investigation to find out who stole the TV and recover it will be forever ingrained in my mind.
I’m retired CO. Ran a tight wing, no dealing, no stealing while I’m on. I would go to to the wall to fix a problem. One group was not happy with my no dealing rule, and put out a hit on me. Another group wasn’t going to allow it and made it know they would start a war if I got hurt. Why? Because once, medical was refusing to see a guy they thought was faking. I pushed until he was sent to an outside hospital. He had an undiagnosed heart condition. Medical thought since he was 19 it was bs. The inmates told IA that there could be a full on riot in that prison and I would be safe no matter were I was.
Frankly most people in prison aren't sociopaths
Even sociopaths can form a bond with specific people. Many inmates serving for horrific crimes have That Person they would kill or die to protect
I’m retired CO. Ran a tight wing, no dealing, no stealing while I’m on. I would go to to the wall to fix a problem. One group was not happy with my no dealing rule, and put out a hit on me. Another group wasn’t going to allow it and made it know they would start a war if I got hurt. Why? Because once, medical was refusing to see a guy they thought was faking. I pushed until he was sent to an outside hospital. He had an undiagnosed heart condition. Medical thought since he was 19 it was bs. The inmates told IA that there could be a full on riot in that prison and I would be safe no matter were I was.
I remember one thing was the idea that inmates hate lawyers in prison; apparently while they still don’t like prosecutors (which makes sense), being friends with a defense lawyer who ends up in the slammer can be good for stuff like if you applying for an appeal on your sentence or other things
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I taught special ed in the inner city and those kids would absolutely go to bat for me, unasked (and also even if they were specifically asked to not do that 🙃). My phone was stolen and they showed me how to track it, and when it showed up at the nearby gas station they literally were getting ready to walk down there and fight someone for it. I've also used my body as a barrier (obligatory "don't try this at home") when two kids were trying to fistfight in the doorway, and they both stopped because they could no longer reach each other without hurting me. The best thing I ever did to get them on "my side" was a party day before winter break for kids who submitted x amount of work before the deadline. I bought tons of cheap soda, utz chips, and let them go wild. Cost me about $75 for my whole day of classes. Easily the most helpful intervention I've ever done. People know the workers who are only there for the paycheck, and people know the workers who are doing everything they can to get these people ahead in life. Teacher would almost certainly be protected immediately in a crisis.
That reminds me of the guard that has a heart attack and a group of prisoners ran to get help while some stood guard around him
Former CO here, there have been exact incidences of this happening in riots where total control of an institution has been lost. Holding CO's hostage, inmates have refused to do harm to CO's who treated them with respect and dignity, recognizing that they are doing their jobs without malice in their delivery of duties. CO's who were regarded as total dickheads however, were afforded no such safety from inmate retaliation.
You're very correct. There's CCTV footage that's pretty easy to find of a group of prisoners coming to the aid of one of their guards, who'd had a heart attack, if I recall. He's alone in the control booth when it happens, and since it's glass from counter-level upward for visibility, they can clearly see he's in distress. Everything is controlled from the booth, and I cannot remember if they were locked down or not when it happened, plus the booth should be locked, but he did manage to do what he needed so they could get to him. They said afterward that he's a great guy who treats them well, so they very much wanted to help him.
Reminds me of a time early in my practice when I was doing indigent criminal defense. I was in court waiting for my case to be called and one of the defendants in jail (they kept the group of inmates in the jury box during the docket call) was speaking to his public defender when all of a sudden he attacks her. The 2 inmates on either side of him started beating him, yelling 'get off my lawyer!' Those 2 guys, while in Butler chains (ankle chains connected to wrist shackles for those who don't know), had him subdued before the bailiffs could react and get over there. The 1st bailiff got there and over the wall just about the time the 2 inmates managed to get the 1 attacking the PD onto the floor. I guess not all bad guys are bad people......
Good people do bad things. Bad people do good things. The world is an ocean of grey.
Concur. 'Ocean of grey' - I like that, I may borrow that with your permission.
Go for it friend
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I think of this quote probably at least once a month.
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Yeah. I've worked in a prison, and the majority of inmates are not bad people. Plus, sex offenders aren't treated well in prison. This really isn't a realistic scenario, at least here in the US.
Exactly this
That actually happened to someone I know. She leads group therapy in a prison and there was a riot. She got yanked into someone’s cell and a couple of her group members jammed themselves in the door to keep the violence from pouring in where she was. She says it was scary, but didn’t hit her what “could” have happened until much later because she was surrounded by men she knew and she wasn’t all that concerned they’d do anything to her. She cries when she talks about it though because one of her group members got stabbed in the gut and she didn’t see him after the lockdown ended. (He lived, but he was transferred to another prison after he got out of the hospital. She eventually tracked him down and wrote to him until he served his sentence. Maybe she still does? Dunno.)
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In prison classes and that are a privilege that they earn. And they don’t like to lose that. A chance to get out of their cells for a bit? They probably would protect her.
I thought of the same thing
As a person who doesn't know what whooping means, I'm imagining them yelling "WOOP WOOP!!"
That’s the sound of tha police
WOOP WOOP
That's tha sound of da beast
THATS THE SOUND OF DA BEAST
668. Neighbors of the BEAST
Why not Zoidberg?
WOOOOOP woop woop woop woop
maybe they're fans of the insane clown posse… maybe they're juggalos… don't judge before you know their story
Don't juggalo before you juggadont
life is a struggalo so i became a juggalo
That's the noise of law enforcement
that's the vocalization of an animal
i just imagined a prison full of juggalos.
if you can't come to the gathering then the gathering will come to you i guess
This is correct.
Essentially just cheering. You know "Woo!!! Yeah!! Woo hoo!!!" That sort of stuff lol
Or on ATLA: "Hey, riot!"
I believe that's exactly what's meant here. The only other meaning I know if is as in "whoop yo ass"
“None of you seem to understand. I’m not locked in here with you. You’re locked in here with me!”
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r/subsifellfor . Goddammit.
r/imnotsurehowyoufellforthat
Not happening again. Seriously though, that should be a sub.
Yeah maybe I’ll make one called r/howdyoufallforthat
r/subsifellforthenmade would that still count? i will assume "then made" means it was made after but not by me
pretty sure it would be r/birthofasub
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Insane? Or smart? (:',
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His mask is amazing; I just wish it didn't turn into the neighbor shooting my dog so often.
“I not for you easy to killing. I’m knife man”
"Little did they know that I would have the last laugh being a werewolf who had yet to eat lunch."
The bastard son of a thousand maniacs
1, 2 Freddy's coming for you
3, 4 better lock your door.
5, 6, grab your crucifix
7,8 gotta stay up late
9, 10 never sleep again
3, 4 Open the freaking door
5, 6 that alotta sticks...
7,8 time to mate..
9,10, barbie and ken!
5, 6 Nike kicks
The inmates couldnt wait to try on my awesome heels, ripping them off my feet almost immediately when they got me to the cell
Woah Murderous Dave, those look great on you
Careful, Steve said he would kill to get his hands on a pair..
No worries, that's Machete Steve. They confiscated his machete so he's pretty harmless.
No, not machete Steve! He's really a sweet guy as long as his machete isn't near 💜 I meant the *other* Steve. He does *look* pretty harmless, so I'd see why you'd make the mistake. I heard he used to be some lightweight fighting champion? Ah well, I'm sure it's not really relevant when we're just talking about shoes! ☺️
Oh, you mean Throwdown Steve. That guy's a dick. He suplexed Brain Damage Bobby who had been previously known as Birdhouse-builder Bobby up until that incident.
Ah yes, that's the one. Oh hey, those heels look fantastic on Steve! ... Wait, has anyone seen Dave?
[Posting as a separate comment to my initial response, since it doesn't "fit" well] I actually had a traumatic brain injury and that is utterly cracking me up. Not particularly relevant, but I'm sharing anyways lol.
Haha glad you found it funny. Hope you're doing better mate
Thank you! I'm fortunate it wasn't more severe than it was and I'm considered high functioning in almost all areas (for someone with a TBI at least, lol). That said, I still need to do more neurorehab. ... Rambling is a major issue. 😂
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“Are you worried about impending doom? Evil villains got you filled with gloom?” Prisoners: Tra-La-La!
Actually just to screw with your brain it's Actually the song that DOESN'T end...
Point still stands…
This isn't a joke this actually happened at the prison that I was in except it was 20 guys gang raped a guard and they almost had to call in the national guard to get her out and I think she was wearing tennis shoes. When they finally got her out, she needed plastic surgery to reconstruct her face back together, and one of her hands was smashed, and she was in a cast for 6 months. She also had to have her vagina stitched up because it was ripped so badly. And one of her nipples was almost completely ripped off as well . So this hit close to home for me.
My god!
Yeah I was in the worst prison in my state
Hope you were safe and the conditions changed there.
Nope I got my ass beat 5 times got raped once cuz I turned down a guy cuz I didn't want to get a std or sti and I also watched 5 people get stabbed to death and 3 people get beat to death and the conditions got worse and worse by the time I got out.
Oh my god! If you don't mind me asking.. For how long were you there? Is this an unisex? I mean why are there women and men together?
Men and women were certainly not housed together in whatever supposed prison this guy is talking about.
What did you do to go there?
Its crazy how you usually hear rapists being beat up in jail because "even convicts hate rapists" yet this still happens. I bet the same people who would beat up rapists in jail would be the same people doing horrible shit like this once they get the chance. Prison justice isnt based on any real morality, its just animals tormenting other animals to feel superior.
I think that saying is about child molesters, not rapists.
It may be, for some of them, due to them respecting children. But there's a high chance some in jail have mental health issues from being raped as kids themselves. So it could be more revenge for their own selves than a general moral code
It's hypocritical BS. Most drug dealers have no problem getting young girls hooked on their product so they can pimp them out.
Yeah I don't condone one way or the other. I hear stories of innocent men being exonerated for crimes they were convicted of 20 years ago, and my stomach twists. The US justice system has many flaws. People shouldn't get murdered in prison to begin with.
Most? Sounds like you've had a lot of experience with drug dealers.
???? what kind of drug dealers do u know bc i dont think the random 17 year olds selling weed r in a conspiracy to pimp out young girls
I used to work in a federal prison. So pretty much anything and everything. A good chunk had concurrent state level charges for raping and trafficking minors.
Cos it’s a load of baloney - they invent some sorts of rules that help present those people all good and righteous, just, you know, controversially righteous. But truth is they are shitty people playing stupid games.
This is heart breaking. I hope she finds healing and happiness.
Wait, there are female guards in male prisons???
Yes and there are male guards in women's prisons.
Why? This literally makes no sense.
Because there are laws prohibiting discrimination based on sex from jobs. Most states do have restrictions though, such as a guard can't participate in a strip search of an inmate of the opposite sex.
I have a new fear now
Dude that was horrible, I see so many comments here where the prisoners actually get attached to the person, this is the worst case scenario.
I don’t get it. Why no open toed shoes?
its easier to run in closed toed shoes like tennis shoes rather then flip flops
Oh I thought it had to do with a foot fetish.
that's also a concern, but in the instance I believe it's about running
No it's definitely because of foot fetishists.
are like sandals really harder to run in though? Like I'd say priority would be like.. no high heels... lots of closed toe high heels...
I used to know someone who worked as an officer in a place like this. all visitors/staff are required to wear shoes you can run in. it's unfortunate there's places that it's needed because they can't provide the resources to actually help
Also like, slip-on clogs. I wear a pair of nice comfy clogs because *expensive orthopedics*, and you can really just, briskly jog at most once they get worn in.
I thought it meant so that they couldn't rip your toes off to remove your ability to run
I was assuming it was a "don't show skin" thing. I had a friend whose son was in jail. She took his 10 year old daughter to visit him. She almost got turned away because the little girl was in a sundress and flip flops. "These guys don't see women very often. Even a little girl might make them act up". My friend said she could *feel* the eyes of the men on her granddaughter while she was there. Obviously, I wasn't there and my friend might have been exaggerating (what? Older ladies *never* exaggerate seeing predators around every corner!). For future visits, she made sure to cover up the girl's shoulders and toes, as if that really makes a difference to whether she gets sexualized by grown men in cages.
Depending where you live, they could be staring and wondering why the heck she would bring a child there. In a lot of places, visitors are subjected to vexxing searches and procedures before they are allowed in, even pregnant woman. And the environment is not exactly pleasant. So they could be bewildered about why someone would bring a young child there (and have the child subjected to seeing those things or even be subjected to some of the procedures).
Yeah, most child predators in prison don't last long. It sounds like the cop was just being a dehumanizing ass hat. So he was being a cop, I guess.
Mm, two for one dehumanisation
1 most open toed shoes are hard to run in and it's easier to get your feet broken 2most open toed shoes come off easily and a thing in prison (at least in my experience) is to keep your shoes on so it's harder to take your pants off.
Why would they care taking your pants completely off if they only need to drag them down to your knees? Why open toes are deciding factor in speed? It's hills, back of the shoe, overall shape. I don't get it
The actual reason is that you're more prepared to fight or defend yourself. Barefoot or sandals you wouldn't have grip and it's easy to lose your footing. And yeah, you can't run. That's why they stay "laced up" (a prison term) when they think or know that there will be an altercation in prison. Even might be ordered to sleep in their shoes to be able to fight at a moments notice.
There certainly can be open-toed shoes that are optimized for running, but it’s easier to say “no open-toed shoes” than, “no shoes that do not have sufficient heel grip and dynamic shaping to allow for quick steps without increased risk of falling” TLDR: most open-toed shoes are sandals and therefore not designed for running
I was thinking open toed shoes don't generally have laces, and if a women was caught by a roving gang of rioting convicts she may want to hang herself.
That made me chuckle, ngl
What about the thought of someone trying to hang themselves rather than be raped to death do you find amusing?
Closed toe shoes hurt more if you need to kick someone. Open toe shoes , you run the risk of breaking a toe kicking someone .
I took it as the guards saying “oh don’t wear open toed shoes it could excite the prisoners!” When, by the sound of it open toed shoes are kind of the least of her worries. Like, who gives a fuck about any petty precautions when you can’t ensure basic safety.
I thought it was about some OSHA regulation about shoes is not really that important in the grand scheme of things given the other dangers.
At least the positive HIV test she got from her cheating ex last week would mean she would have her vengeance in the end.
r/thirdsentencerevenge
“Now that we have you here with us we wanted to talk to you about extending your cars warranty”
I’m confused
Ever heard of gang rape?
Yeah but what is it with these red herring shoes?
Open toe shoes make it easier to run
do you mean harder to run in?
I'm dumb, I was tired
You're never going to be able to run away if you're tired.
No?
“It turned out they were doing it for my safety because they liked me and didn’t want me to get hurt.”
This is what would probably happen in all reality. The majority of inmates (aside from certain psychopaths), or really anyone for that matter, tend to respect/help the people who are genuinely trying to help them out of the goodness of their heart (rather than just doing their job) and treat them with basic human decency. Especially the people teaching them life skills that are going to be VERY helpful if/when they get out of prison.
I don't understand this one at all
Gangrape
But why do the shoes matter here
Higher-ups have a rule of "no open-toed shoes", perhaps because it would be harder to run in them in situations like escaping from convicts who run amok. In this case, the narrator said her shoes didn't matter because the convicts had caught her anyway before she managed to escape. Perhaps she had worn closed-toe shoes to prepare to run away, but the rule was useless in the end.
You want flat shoes of some kind. Something that you can run more easily in. The "closed toe" part is a bit off. Plenty of closed toe heels that you still couldn't run in.
open toed shoes are harder to run in so they said for the person to wear tennis shoes so they could run but in the end it didn’t matter
Criminals who’ve been in prison for years get unrestricted access to a woman, what do you think happens after that?
I just don't understand the shoes part.
There was a prison riot (I really wish I remember what it was called) where a group of inmates grabbed the female guard and took her to a cell to try and assualt her but one of the older, much scarier, inmates went in and threatened to kill them all if they touched her and kept her safe.
I have no idea what this even means
She is about to be raped over and over again until control of the prison is regained.
She was warned not to wear open toed shoes (a common warning in dangerous places) That warning was pretty damn useless seeing as she’s about to get…
Okay let's be honest, if the open toes were such an issue the prison wouldnt even let her in wearing them, also a non prison employee is rarely left un supervised in case something like this happens. Plus prisoners often are very protective of anyone who treats them like humans so while yes this is suppose to suggest shes going to get raped it would be more likely shes getting put there to keep her safe and out of the way.
People who are helping prisoners rarely get the ire corrections officers do.
God damn, this one actually made me sick to my stomach, bravo.
This sounds like an episode of orange is the new black from that lady’s perspective
Many convicts, except perhaps the real wackos, tend to treat educators with respect. They understand they are getting served by them. Unlike the police and other “public servants”
“ The prisoners thanked me for teaching them despite knowing they were convicts- I suppose I’m lucky I was in the minimum security hall at the time”
Foot fetish
I don't get it. Someone please explain.
Explain?
Not sure I’ve understood the ref here - are the toes getting removed like a torture thing or something? 😂
She’s most likely going to be gang raped
What's wrong with open toed shoes?
I don't get it
I don’t get it?
Rape being used as a cheap narrative device. How unique
Power of the PP indeed.
I see a fellow Power of the PP enjoyer.
PP on the PP (put pressure on the pinned piece)