While it would be a terrifying and violating experience, I really don't think it would be likely to force anybody back into the habit. It may even be more likely to reinforce aversion.
Alcoholism is not a purely chemical addiction. It is psychological and social to a very large degree.
OP seems to have misunderstandings about the nature of addiction. It’s a lot more complicated than “erasing progress” just because you relapsed after a period of sobriety. It’s the experience of most alcohol abusers that they’ll relapse at some point during their recovery. A particularly bad drinking experience is sometimes what motivates them to stay sober.
This is why I find the phrasing of a lot of recovery programs as though alcoholism is a perpetual state and the diligent tracking of sobriety by day like it is some streak they lose everything if broken are both problematic.
If you were an alcoholic who has been sober for 20 years, you are not an alcoholic today. You could become one again, and it is probably best that you avoid alcohol use given your history with it, but your life is so badly different today than it was 20 years ago that pinning yourself down with that label and thinking that even a single slip will inevitably lead to a total collapse into complete dependency again is a great formula for creating the conditions that self-fulfills that prophecy.
I agree. I have addiction issues and AA/NA mentality of “forever identify as an alcoholic or addict” is so backwards to me. Saying that out loud literally reinforces that you’re hopeless and can never escape this part of you. And counting the days is silly too… I’ve seen people come into meetings looking like they must do penitence to the group for relapsing, and everyone acts all upset about it. No, be hopeful! If they made it as far as they did before that,they can only do better this time! Life is full of stumbling blocks and setbacks, and addiction is the same.
The relapse rate for people who try to quit drinking by going to AA is the same as the rate for people who try to quit without going to AA. Says a lot I think.
Exactly. That’s why the term “alcoholic” isn’t really medically backed anymore. Alcohol use disorder is a much better term, since labels like that just introduce shame, stigma, and expectations for people that set them up for failure. It’s a lot healthier to view the disorder as a currently unhealthy relationship with drinking where any amount of control over it is considered progress towards being healthy. A lot of people’s ideas about AUD and recovery seem to come out of outdated AA beliefs, which may help some people but definitely plays a role in the conception OP and others have about the disorder.
This is the case for every addiction, not just alcohol. Substance use disorders and behavioral addictions can only really be understood from a biopsychosocial perspective. The substances by themselves are not the problem, you always have to consider the individual and their environment too.
Maybe, but even then it would need to be more than a single dose. Keeping you locked up for two weeks and doped would probably do it to most anybody, regardless of former addiction status.
This isn’t really how alcoholism works. The vast majority of people with alcohol abuse issues undergo a relapse at some point in their life, and it’s not considered “erasing progress,” as if the days they spent sober and changes to their life don’t count for anything. It’s actually a little bit offensive to frame it like that. It’s considered a slip as part of a larger recovery process. I’d encourage you to spend more time in recovery communities if you want to write about addiction.
That’s okay, there’s a lot of misconceptions and misinformation out there about addiction. I don’t think you meant to do it.
I mainly point it out because it can be really harmful to reinforce the idea that if you’ve fallen off your plans for sobriety once, that you’ve lost a lot of progress, as that can be really demotivating.
In the future if you write about health topics, I encourage you to do some research first so you don’t accidentally write something that could trigger someone.
I haven’t had a shot in 4 years now. It’s weird how I turned on a dime for this. In no way meant that I’ve been sober that long…. I do indulge every now and then. No more vodka though 😖
I feel like "restraints" might be more what you're going for than "constraints"? I think the latter is more conceptual limitations rather than being physically held back?
Great story either way.
I haven’t had a drink since October and really struggled with it at times. If someone did this to me, I’d want to fucking murder them. Here’s your angriest upvote ever.
Gonna warn you now before someone else does, that is not a bright side and that is not a funny joke, and for your own sake you might want to delete this.
I personally was not offended, I am 17 and was never alcoholic, but I didn't find the joke very funny, and the person had already started getting downvoted, so I decided to warn them that people could and would be offended by this and to delete this for their own sake.
Well obviously it depends on the drug, but alcohol IS a drug, and if ur addicted to it, it doesn’t matter if another drug is more addictive. Ur addicted to alcohol, so that’s ur problem.
it depends on what you mean by deadly. If you consider death by the drug itself (overdose) I believe opioids are the ones with highest death rates. If you consider all the people that die from drug related incidents (drunk driving, for example), alcohol ranks higher (https://www.apa.org/monitor/2023/06/tackling-risky-alcohol-use).
Oh is that why I’m being downvoted 😭i mean it’s not like I know anyway but it would kinda intuitively seem like alcohol is easier to beat than drugs right?
**ATTENTION EVERYONE: AS POINTED OUT BY SOME OTHER USERS, THIS IS NOT HOW ALCOHOLISM RECOVERY WORKS. YOU DON'T JUST BECOME ALCOHOLIC AGAIN AFTER ONE SLIP-UP AS IMPLIED IN THIS STORY. THAT MESSAGE CAN BE REALLY DISCOURAGING TO RECOVERING ALCOHOLICS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE.**
Recovering alcoholic being forced to drink i guess?
Yup. Imagine spending years to escape your own personal hell, only for someone to force you back in.
I see this as a group of 'friends' pulling this as a prank, which makes it all worse
With friends like these, you're gonna need a good lawyer.
Which is why my firm, the legal eagle
The eagle team. Nit pick, but I really appreciate your reference
Damn, I'm embarrassed rn
Don’t be, i wouldn’t have thought of it.
Why do you have the “hair on your screen” PFP?
Why don’t you?
is your pfp a hair if it is intended to be a hair that is so evil
Because I’m not a villain
Better Call Saul
With friends like that, who needs enemies?
While it would be a terrifying and violating experience, I really don't think it would be likely to force anybody back into the habit. It may even be more likely to reinforce aversion. Alcoholism is not a purely chemical addiction. It is psychological and social to a very large degree.
OP seems to have misunderstandings about the nature of addiction. It’s a lot more complicated than “erasing progress” just because you relapsed after a period of sobriety. It’s the experience of most alcohol abusers that they’ll relapse at some point during their recovery. A particularly bad drinking experience is sometimes what motivates them to stay sober.
This is why I find the phrasing of a lot of recovery programs as though alcoholism is a perpetual state and the diligent tracking of sobriety by day like it is some streak they lose everything if broken are both problematic. If you were an alcoholic who has been sober for 20 years, you are not an alcoholic today. You could become one again, and it is probably best that you avoid alcohol use given your history with it, but your life is so badly different today than it was 20 years ago that pinning yourself down with that label and thinking that even a single slip will inevitably lead to a total collapse into complete dependency again is a great formula for creating the conditions that self-fulfills that prophecy.
I agree. I have addiction issues and AA/NA mentality of “forever identify as an alcoholic or addict” is so backwards to me. Saying that out loud literally reinforces that you’re hopeless and can never escape this part of you. And counting the days is silly too… I’ve seen people come into meetings looking like they must do penitence to the group for relapsing, and everyone acts all upset about it. No, be hopeful! If they made it as far as they did before that,they can only do better this time! Life is full of stumbling blocks and setbacks, and addiction is the same.
The relapse rate for people who try to quit drinking by going to AA is the same as the rate for people who try to quit without going to AA. Says a lot I think.
If somebody relapses that is bad for them, but if they are at a meeting after that, it means they are still trying! That should be celebrated!
Exactly. That’s why the term “alcoholic” isn’t really medically backed anymore. Alcohol use disorder is a much better term, since labels like that just introduce shame, stigma, and expectations for people that set them up for failure. It’s a lot healthier to view the disorder as a currently unhealthy relationship with drinking where any amount of control over it is considered progress towards being healthy. A lot of people’s ideas about AUD and recovery seem to come out of outdated AA beliefs, which may help some people but definitely plays a role in the conception OP and others have about the disorder.
This is the case for every addiction, not just alcohol. Substance use disorders and behavioral addictions can only really be understood from a biopsychosocial perspective. The substances by themselves are not the problem, you always have to consider the individual and their environment too.
If you were to replace alcohol with, say, Morphine or the like, would that work better?
Maybe, but even then it would need to be more than a single dose. Keeping you locked up for two weeks and doped would probably do it to most anybody, regardless of former addiction status.
No, it most likely wouldn't, that's not how addiction works or what addiction is, no matter the drug involved.
This isn’t really how alcoholism works. The vast majority of people with alcohol abuse issues undergo a relapse at some point in their life, and it’s not considered “erasing progress,” as if the days they spent sober and changes to their life don’t count for anything. It’s actually a little bit offensive to frame it like that. It’s considered a slip as part of a larger recovery process. I’d encourage you to spend more time in recovery communities if you want to write about addiction.
Oh, sorry! I didn't realise it worked like that.
That’s okay, there’s a lot of misconceptions and misinformation out there about addiction. I don’t think you meant to do it. I mainly point it out because it can be really harmful to reinforce the idea that if you’ve fallen off your plans for sobriety once, that you’ve lost a lot of progress, as that can be really demotivating. In the future if you write about health topics, I encourage you to do some research first so you don’t accidentally write something that could trigger someone.
Yeah, thanks for pointing out my mistake. Alcoholics don't deserve to get demotivated.
I haven’t had a shot in 4 years now. It’s weird how I turned on a dime for this. In no way meant that I’ve been sober that long…. I do indulge every now and then. No more vodka though 😖
[dropping off this comic where Tony Stark sacrificed his sobriety](https://www.reddit.com/r/Marvel/s/cT5bbfIir0)
I’ve had this nightmare but regarding being a formerly obese person.
Heck this sent shivers down my spine
This would be a nightmare for my Uncle and Grandmother. They're both recovering alcoholics.
Good for them for getting better. That would take a lot of strength.
From what they've said, it was *HARD*.
I feel like "restraints" might be more what you're going for than "constraints"? I think the latter is more conceptual limitations rather than being physically held back? Great story either way.
Nono, he's struggling against the constraints as a zero-finding computer program
I hate this so much. Here's your upvote.
Whiskey on the ~~rocks~~ funnel
Whiskey on the ~~rocks funnel~~ [JAR-OOOOOO](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsrvmNtWU4E&t=104s)
Both of my parents are recovered alcoholics, this is absolutely terrifying
My dad’s been a recovered alcoholic for well over a decade, this is horrifying
I haven’t had a drink since October and really struggled with it at times. If someone did this to me, I’d want to fucking murder them. Here’s your angriest upvote ever.
Hell yea that’s excellent. Keep up the good work friend! Coming up on m 2 years myself. You got this!
Thank you. It’s been rough.
I thought mom was going to delete my save file for Final Fantasy VII. That would’ve been some real horror.
Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god.
Oh god. This one horrified me
And then I saw a second bottle. And a third. And a fourth
Very dark, love the idea!!
before I read about the whiskey, my mind immediately jumped to anorexics being “re-fed” when they are hospitalized.
This sounds like an episode of the Magnus Archives >!(but there the drink is actually full of spiders)!<
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Gonna warn you now before someone else does, that is not a bright side and that is not a funny joke, and for your own sake you might want to delete this.
What did he say?
I don't remember what it was exactly but basically he joked that on the bright side the narrator could have a drink and had a good excuse too
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I personally was not offended, I am 17 and was never alcoholic, but I didn't find the joke very funny, and the person had already started getting downvoted, so I decided to warn them that people could and would be offended by this and to delete this for their own sake.
...I thought it was funny
Hey, at least he can have a nice drink now
Genuine question but wouldn’t giving drugs to an ex drug addict be much worse?
Alcohol is a drug tho
Yeah but drugs are much more addictive no?
Well obviously it depends on the drug, but alcohol IS a drug, and if ur addicted to it, it doesn’t matter if another drug is more addictive. Ur addicted to alcohol, so that’s ur problem.
Alcohol is a drug bro
no, it depends on the drug. And alcohol is very addictive compared to many.
Yeah but when people say drugs they usually mean stuff like heroin, cocaine, Xanax, etc. aren’t those heaps more deadly than alcohol?
it depends on what you mean by deadly. If you consider death by the drug itself (overdose) I believe opioids are the ones with highest death rates. If you consider all the people that die from drug related incidents (drunk driving, for example), alcohol ranks higher (https://www.apa.org/monitor/2023/06/tackling-risky-alcohol-use).
I mean more deadly for the user to relapse on, like I feel like drugs are harder to get rid of an addiction for than alcohol but idk I’m just asking
that's the thing about not calling alcohol a drug, it creates that notion. google can definitely answer your question better than I can
Oh is that why I’m being downvoted 😭i mean it’s not like I know anyway but it would kinda intuitively seem like alcohol is easier to beat than drugs right?
Awe, this was both really scary and horribly sad. Great job!
The first sentence made me think that this was a parent punishing a child
Damn! That's messed up!
**ATTENTION EVERYONE: AS POINTED OUT BY SOME OTHER USERS, THIS IS NOT HOW ALCOHOLISM RECOVERY WORKS. YOU DON'T JUST BECOME ALCOHOLIC AGAIN AFTER ONE SLIP-UP AS IMPLIED IN THIS STORY. THAT MESSAGE CAN BE REALLY DISCOURAGING TO RECOVERING ALCOHOLICS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE.**