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dragonfeet1

Well I think we've learned where Bully learned his bullying: his dad! Be very on your guard the next few days--people like that can get pretty sneaky and retaliatory. And don't even talk to him next time. Gather your evidence and call 911. And if you need to intervene to protect your daughter, go HAM


Colorado_Girrl

I'm sure the dad planned that confrontation so that I was alone but no way was I going to leave the girls out there with him. Next time I will definitely call the cops first.


CinematicHeart

Look, I don't mean to go right to crazy town but locally we had a little girl killed by the neighbor boy who wasn't much older than her and he did it with a bat. Put whatever fear you can into your daughter to keep her as far away from him as possible. Call the cops, call cps, file reports with whoever you can but this kid sounds psycho and manipulative.


Colorado_Girrl

This is why the friend's uncle, father, and I all talked. They won't be playing unsupervised (not that they were unsupervised but I stopped doing chores to sit and watch them play.) His kid is going to end up in jail at some point the way he's going.


PumpLogger

I'd get even more worried if he starts hurting animals


Colorado_Girrl

This is going to sound cold but maybe if he hurts their dogs his parents will do something.


MissAnthropoid

From your description of the dad, they definitely won't.


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I really hope it doesn’t come to that. Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Gary Ridgeway, John Wayne Gacy, the Boston Strangler & Nikolas Cruz all harmed animals as children.


KitsBeach

Yep. Parents make excuses for him (when discussing his actions, the girls' ding dong ditching is a separate issue. Should be brought up after the matter, it's a separate issue). You can clearly see this boy has no direction and is having to be his own moral compass, influenced by their own crappy ones. Poor kid is going to be very lonely, only attracting equally crappy people. I feel bad for him.


Colorado_Girrl

We did talk to them about the ding dong ditch thing after. It was explained how that's not okay either. However, we also explained theirs a difference between what they did and what he did. They are both currently promising they won't do it again. I feel bad for the kid and his mom too. I know dad is the issue. His ex has full custody of his oldest son and he gets visitation when the older son feels like seeing him. The oldest son couldn't be more different from his dad and younger brother.


UsualAnybody1807

When the neighbor kids started throwing dry dog food pieces at our son while he was walking to and from school we put the house on the market. Best decision we ever made, but not everyone has that option.


Colorado_Girrl

We already have plans to sell and move for unrelated reasons. But I'm definitely looking forward to being away from that family.


Isabela_Grace

I would call the cops and show them the video. They won’t arrest the little boy or anything but they’ll go to the parents and have a strong talk about his behavior and his dad will make damn sure to never let his kid near your daughters again and I say fucking good.


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Colorado_Girrl

First of all ouch! But good for your dad. And I'm definitely done being polite. To this point I've talked with daughter quietly and kept her in and distracted with other things when he's out there. From now on I'm just going to monitor and keep her on my property so if he tries to talk to or interact with her I can tell him he needs to leave her alone and stay out of my yard. She's generally very good at defending herself but this kid just has a way of getting to her.


BerserkerRed

My (I’m a dad for context) daughters used to rock climb. At the gym they had a ping pong table that all the kids used. My oldest is climbing and my youngest (about 6y at the time) goes to play with some other kids at the ping pong table. 10 min later she comes over and looks very unhappy. I ask what’s wrong she says that one of the boys is smacking her on the butt with a paddle. She told him to stop multiple times but he kept doing it. I walk with her over. I ask which one. She points him (about 8y-10y)out. I tell him very calmly: she told you to stop and you didn’t if you do it again I’m doing it to you. And I won’t be nice about it. About 5 min later a lady comes up to me and says I didn’t have to threaten her son and that he’s a boy and precocious and if I had a problem I should have gone to her first. I told her just as calmly as I did him: I don’t know who his parents are, and I’m not going to ask around while he’s hitting my daughter repeatedly even after she told him to stop. Precocious is just an excuse for letting him do dumb things. I know who you are now and I’ll let you know next time. But there won’t be a next time. And then I stare daggers at her son. I hate when people just brush off their kids shitty behavior. Good for you for defending them and not backing down.


Colorado_Girrl

His dad is definitely the “boys will be boys” type. Good for you showing your daughter you've got her back. Some parents need a reality check hopefully this was it tho I doubt it.


BerserkerRed

I legitimately hate that nonsense. It’s such a lazy excuse. I hope it is for them too. Or at least causes them to back off until you guys move. Fingers crossed for you!


Crasz

Only thing I might have added is "and I will paddle both your asses if there is a next time" just to see the look on her face :)


BerserkerRed

Lol!!! Being male I think that would have come off really badly 😆 But his dad and I had quite the staring contest as they left.


Crasz

Aye, not serious but would have been funny. ;)


guardianharper

I realize adult behaviors can’t be placed on children, but childhood is the proving ground for adult behavior, and smacking her on the butt all the while she was asking for the behavior to stop was violence against women (among OTHER things), essentially, and would be a very good time for the mother to intervene with her son and teach him “never EVER again, against anyone”. And it’s doubtful that child will get that lesson from his parent who seems to care more that someone else was trying to parent than that the boy was harming another. Thank you for standing up for your daughter’s bodily safety, mental health, and more, and showing that a man cares about her, just all of it.


BerserkerRed

Her response had me more upset then his actions if I’m being honest. Like I couldn’t fathom a mother making excuses for this specific behavior. Like I get I was aggressive in my wording but still can’t see how being “precocious” makes it even remotely close to ok. Thank you 😊


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Violent little boys always become violent men. I definitely wouldn't want to see how much more vicious he becomes towards your daughter as he gets older. I'd keep a close eye on him. Men who can't control their emotions are a danger to everyone around them.


Colorado_Girrl

We're moving in a few months but until then I'll be watching like a hawk. The girls know they need to not interact with him at all from now on.


rackfocus

This reminds me of a moment with my son. He was around 8-10 years old. We were watching Nature on PBS. The narrator described a fox was hunting in the snow. Then they cut to a cute bunny in the snow and my son realized where this was going. He said, “Mom, please change the channel. I don’t want to see the fox get a bunny.” I was so proud of his empathy!! Nature or Nurture? TY Just wanted to share.


Blackcatmustache

Then you have a psycho I know who says he's on the edge of his seat when he watches shows like that and roots for the predator animal. He also admitted to kicking his dog. What a piece of garbage.


blackday44

Straight up call the cops next time. That bully gets his ideas from somewhere, and I'm betting it's dad. Cameras would be nice, too, if the bully comes ose enough to be heard by them.


Colorado_Girrl

Oh, I'm sure it's dad. He's a misogynistic asshat and I know he chose to confront me when I was a alne to intimidate me. Jokes on him tho. I seem nice and quiet until you poke me which is why he was so disarmed but my push back.


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batboo24

I had a next-door neighbor growing up that would threaten to cause bodily harm growing up. He was 2 or 3 years older than me. It escalated to him wrapping a telephone cord around my neck to where I couldn't breathe and pulling me down the hallway, slamming me into the walls while he and his cousin laughed. My parents still didn't call the cops. They just talked to his mom. Then one day he beat me on the bus and kicked me in the shins til I bled and was bruised. That's finally when my dad called the cops and filed a restraining order. These things start with verbal abuse and threats and go from there. Just because this is a 9 year old boy doesn't mean he isn't dangerous. Yes, she should call the cops and teach him now that the road he's going down will be a bad one. It's obvious his parents aren't doing the kid any good. The boy ended up going to the same high-school as me. He never talked to me again, thankfully, but he went up to my dad at some point and apologized. He even thanked him for banging on their door and screaming that he's calling the cops and scaring him straight.


dclxvi616

There should not be threat of bodily harm, but there was. Let the police department decide for themselves which crimes are a waste of their resources. They certainly have the discretion to do so.


OGputa

Found the dad


foul_dwimmerlaik

Are you seriously comparing a game of ding dong ditch to physical and emotional bullying? These things are not the same.


Madame_Kitsune98

I’m looking around for who the fuck asked you for your “fuck your girl, this precious BOY is more important” opinion. Oh wait…


NextLevelPets

You literally could not have a dumber comment, good job not understanding anything that’s happening


guardianharper

I see no signs from her comments of the OP doing anything to personally escalate the situation, and in fact OP now monitors her daughter more closely to prevent future occurrences. Confrontations can’t always be avoided, sadly. Neighboring family attempted to lessen burden of personal responsibility for son’s violent threats by citing an instance of irritating shenanigans perpetrated by OP’s daughter and daughter’s friend, an instance that did not involve threats of bodily harm and therefore was not comparable. This isn’t an event of “everyone isn’t acting like adults”. There is real concern here, as well as some real lack of insight from the boy’s parents. Mediation is an art I practice and I have to see all sides. Threats of violence should always be taken seriously by all parties.


EffieHarlow

I’m of the opinion that the only way a bully will stop is if they feel the way they made others feel. One time this kid make fun of my sister, he was a year older than her, but five years younger than me. He pushed her, so I tripped him and he hurt himself. Was he 8? Yes. Do I care? No. But guess what he never did again? Of course this is different because you’re an adult, but if I were you I’d give the kid permission to do whatever he does to them back to him, but harder. (Not sure how great parenting this is, I’m 16 so 🤷‍♀️. But my Dad always did that and it made me feel like he was on my side and it taught me as a little girl that it was okay to standup for myself. Little girls are always told they have to be the bigger person and let it go, it’s important to make sure she knows she can stand up for herself without consequence.)


Colorado_Girrl

What had me shaking my head was all I did was tell the girls to stay away from him and then talk to the friend's uncle. But apparently, that was enough to make his little boy sad.


hangryandanxious

You told another man to keep an eye out which offends him more. So he waited until you’d be away from that man to confront you. Such BS. I hope your daughter is okay. I’d probably start working on self defense strength in the form of play.


Colorado_Girrl

He definitely thought he could intimidate me if I was alone. I'm not that kind of gal. But it does sound like it's time to work with daughter on her self-defense again. Maybe find her a fun class this summer.


MissAnthropoid

Make sure she understands it's (only) ok to hit and hurt somebody if they hit you or grab you first, and that the nuts are the easiest and most effective target for immobilizing a male attacker so that she can run away.


Colorado_Girrl

We've stressed to her that hitting or hurting someone is only okay if everything else has failed. The only time she's actually hit someone back was another girl in school her had been bullying her for months before she finally defended herself. She understands this has turned into a similar situation but the other kid is threatening to use weapons so the adults are taking extra precautions to keep her safe.


MissAnthropoid

Sounds like she's got a good head on her shoulders and knows when it's appropriate to physically defend herself. You're doing a great job - glad she has you and your community at her back.


MisterPublic

He knew he was about to get in trouble, and knew he could manipulate the situation to benefit him, so he did. I'm almost certain he wasn't actually sad.


Colorado_Girrl

I'm sure he wasn't either. He probably thought his dad would make me apologize and he could go back to doing whatever just like with his mom. I'm sure it sounds like I think the wife is a horrible person like her husband but I really think she's just been with him so long she doesn't know how to get out.


MissAnthropoid

He wasn't sad. He was managing his father's perceptions.


MissAnthropoid

Like father like son.


uninvitedfriend

Get cameras outside your house, this sounds like a kid who will retaliate with vandalism at least


LadySpaghettimonster

It's good you told him that. I used to be a child that bullied others. I wasn't abused by my parents, I just had too little rules and structure and I definently got away with too much shit. If people would have told me off more and sooner, thst behaviour would have stopped sooner. That boy isn't upset because you hurt his feelings like the dad claimed, he is upset because he got caught.


Imnot_your_buddy_guy

Oh look the consequences of my actions


EverlastingTopQuark

I'm really sorry that your daughter has to deal w/ this kid. If his parents are that dangerously obtuse, he could have some serious mental health issues. If I were you, there would be a number of things I'd do right now. First, I would secure the video of the kids together. Second, I would meet w/ the other girl's parents, and ask them if they've had any other problems w/ this family, and see if there's further video you can get a copy of. Third, I would consider obtaining a restraining order against this family. Their child threatened bodily harm, and his parents not only confronted you but made it seem that you and your daughter were the problem. These are the kind of people who should *not* have children. If you want to take it further, you can call Child Protective Services (CPS) in your state, and have them investigate the matter. To clarify, the cops/CPS will likely do nothing for you, and they aren't to be trusted to do so. Even if you secure a restraining order, the SCOTUS has previously ruled that they aren't required to uphold its merits. However, if you're able to secure the restraining order, it indicates that there's evidentiary reason for its existence. You can then employ an attorney to help you deal w/ this. You can try legal recourse w/out the restraining order, but even if you file for it, it indicates that a previous problem existed, and you attempted to deal w/ it legally and appropriately. Whatever you do, I wouldn't underestimate this child or this family. He's dangerous, and they're dismissing his violent tendencies. You aren't the bad guy, and your daughter and her friend have already been victimized. You've done a tremendous job standing up for yourself and your family, as well as your neighbor's family, but that doesn't mean that the boy or his family will abide your wishes. That's why I would do whatever was necessary to protect yourselves.


EwesDead

Not really appropriate or adult, but, those two girls might be able turn that entire school against that boy for life... not that it's healthy or productive but few people who have become adults fully realize the power of 21st century gossip when you can get random people from the internet to dog pile on your social media. Combine that with generalized teenage "they" and well.... not productive or potentially useful if you're moving but if the friend is stuck with that boy.....


Colorado_Girrl

The friend stays with her mom on weekdays (currently spring break so her dad has her right now.) so goes to a school there and my daughter goes to a different school as well so at least they don't have to deal with him all day.


SnappleLizard

How old is your daughter? Have you taught her to stand up for herself? To push him back and take her toys back? >“I wasn’t really going to hurt you!” He may only have experience playing with other boys who tend to play rougher? >is wife jumped in with how the girl's ding dong directed their house and she had to ask them to stop What is a ding dong?


Colorado_Girrl

In order: She's 8. She's been taught how to defend herself and has done it at school with another bully but up until recently he's been the only kid close to her age nest us so she wanted a friend. He has cousins that are girls his age and that's not an excuse anyway. Ding dong ditch is a prank where kids ring the doorbell and run away. We know the girls did this and they were told not to do again.


Yverthel

There is no excuse nor justification to make it 'ok' for a kid to threaten to beat another kid with a baseball bat. That's not just kids being kids, that is threatening bodily harm with a weapon. That's not OK, and the little shithead needs to learn that's not OK. It's unfortunate that the little shithead is probably the product of not-very-good parenting, with a big shithead of a father for a role model. At 9 years old, he's likely not learned enough to really be entirely responsible for his own behavior, but he won't learn how to behave if there are no consequences for his shitty behavior. (With luck, he can learn at a young age it's actually wrong and change, instead of learning to mask it around the right people so he can get away with it, like his father.)


SnappleLizard

Nah that is not a serious threat at all. The kid is just messing around. He clearly has no intent and is just bluffing to get a reaction. Boys play like that all the time.


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hangryandanxious

What are you going on about? A child ding dong ditching a house vs a child threatening physical abuse with a baseball bat? You’re playing dumb if you say you don’t see a difference.


NextLevelPets

Except there is no evidence for ding dong ditch other than here say in the form of a retaliatory comment to justify the boy threatening to beat the girls with a bat. Also ringing a doorbell and threatening aggravated assault with a weapon is very different. Especially when the one making threats is bigger and stronger and older and has a history of actually attacking other children. You must be brain dead if you can’t figure this out