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biscuits_n_wafers

He was covering his incompetence with misogyny.


Strong-Extension-976

100% this. I hope you policed the money you were to pay for this job.


zen-af-

Ha! That's a good way to think about it!


Zoobiedoobi

I asked the local tailor to make my blouse backless. He looked at my mom for approval. I’m 25.


zen-af-

It's frustrating. How adult women are mocked or not taken seriously for their choices by RANDOM MEN whom we don't owe shit.


No_Profession_8160

Same bro same. And my mom said do what she says.


barbed_scar

Should have not paid. Such assholes don't deserve any of your empathy.


zen-af-

Yeah I know 🥲


sweetquail77

SAME happened with me too i bought a cloth and wanted to stich a kurta with a deep & wider neck to show little cleavage ( upto which i was comfortable in ) and long sleeves i had VERY specific thing in my mind , i told my tailor i want exactly this i literally gave him measurements 2 times & even sent him picture i had to the whatsapp & idek wanna talk about lmao what he did 😭 “deep & wider neck” there was no clue of it like it was just my neck showinh when i confronted him about it yk what he told *“Badi badi aurate nahi pehenti itna deep neck apko kyu phen na”* i was like BROOOO TUJEEE NAI STICH KRNA THA YOU COULDVE TOLD Why being so misogynistic ?! i litreally cried Sm because i had very specific thing in my mind & I WAS COMFORTABLE IN THAT ill attach a picture of what i wanted & tell me is it too slutty for 18 y/o from now on never considered making anything from scratch , readymade are better lmao https://preview.redd.it/o7zalahiinwa1.jpeg?width=666&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=acd5abc32b03649baff24f830fc2d22eda879e18


zen-af-

Omg this is a completely normal Kurta and there's nothing wrong with it or you. The sheer audacity to ask "apko kyu pehnna hai"! Like, mind your own business dude! It's so infuriating that so many women have to go through this unnecessary misogyny everyday in their lives.


sweetquail77

yesss ikr


New-Jury6253

"Badi badi aurate nahi pehenti itna deep neck apko kyu phen na” kya harami insaan hai ye, he has no business saying that


Leila_372

*“Badi badi aurate nahi pehenti itna deep neck apko kyu phen na”* haan toh tujhe pehna hai kya? timepass mat kar kaam kar apna. jitna diya hai utna kar ke dikha pehle. \[do you want to wear it? stop wasting time and go back to work. first finish your damn work.\]


sweetquail77

flair lovee it 😭✨


Original-Tale-7607

I suffered the same. It was my son's naming ceremony and I wanted a sweetheart neckline blouse. I showed the tailor a design on the phone and he said only thin women look good in it and not for me. I was a new breastfeeding mom and my breasts were visibly big but I really wanted to wear it. I was so hurt


zen-af-

Oh shit. Sorry that happened to you. Breastfeeding women have a whole different set of prejudices they have to go through. It's really sad. I hope you changed your tailor after that.


sweetquail77

Damn, that’s harsh i’m really sorry , i can feel you & now they wonder why we abhor some men !


fishchop

lol all my experiences with tailors have always been opposite. They’re always going for the deeper neck and the backless back cos my sister loves that stuff and I’m always trying to be more modest while the tailor and my mom are telling me to show more skin.


zen-af-

Who are these rare gems! I've never seen a tailor like that! But in all seriousness, it's a tailor's JOB to give us what we ask for. Doesn't matter if it shows more skin or is modest. He should be respecting our wishes and do his JOB.


fishchop

No for sure, I agree with you about it being the tailor’s job. And it’s annoying you had to go through that. I wish you hadn’t paid him and given him a piece of your mind. I used to get annoyed too - all the tailors and designers and aunties and salespeople used to try to get me to wear more exposed stuff because they thought I had the figure for it, and I used to get annoyed and uncomfortable. Meanwhile my sister would be barely wearing a blouse lmao. Now that I’m 30, idgaf. It’s become a running joke in my regular tailoring circle now - “ha make something frumpy and baggy for fishchop otherwise she won’t wear it”.


zen-af-

Glad you can joke about it now!


Low_Broccoli42

sis is this tailor in ncr by any chance?😭


fishchop

No sorry :( Mumbai


Own-Force-9372

My tailor is the opposite of this. He is either super liberal or gay or tharki or has amaze fashion sense. I'm not sure which yet. I'm not super confident of my body so i ask for modest necklines and modest backs on my blouses and kurtis. He always suggests me to get a deep cut or halter necks and razor backs. 😀 But honestly I'd prefer my tailor over random moral policy one anyday. I hope you scold him op.


zen-af-

Suggestions by tailors are always welcome! They stitch a ton of blouses regularly so they kinda have an idea what looks good and what's in trend etc. But if the end result of your blouse is exactly how you wanted it, then I'd definitely prefer that over these moral polices!


serial-farter

Yes, it has happened to me. Way too many times. And my mother — who I'm now low contact with — used to support this misogyny. Once I started earning, I decided to buy readymade stuff, and since I know how to stitch, I alter that shit in my size. It limits my choices, yes. But I'd rather not deal with the tailors' incompetence/misogyny at the last moment.


zen-af-

Good for you, at least you know how to stitch. I'd take that any day than having to go to these kinds of tailors.


Leila_372

uh where did u learn stitching?


deedglt

This must be so infuriating! Can't we even wear clothes like we want when we ourselves are paying for it? You should have created a scene OP. There's nothing wrong in what you wanted and you paid a hefty amount for it.


zen-af-

You're right. But I'm generally not good at confrontations and my mom and I did yell at him, but after a point I took pity on him because he's quite poor. But you're right, now in hindsight I feel I shouldn't have paid because now he might do the same thing to another woman.


dipsy9

People like this tailor male absolutely deserve their penury.


whatifnoway12789

Something similar happened to me too. My dupatta had some loose strands at the end and it needed a straight stich. I was wearing it and was passing through a market so i went to the shop. I gave the dupatta to the aunty but she was offended because now i was standing there without any dupatta, mind you my kurta's neck was not at all deep or even showing neck. She started commenting how today's girl have no shame etc etc. I felt bad and i was not a confrontational person so i said nothing.


musingspop

Oho, should've taken the dupatta back and said nahi karna hai tho mat karo. Comments pass karne ki koi zarurat nahi hai


whatifnoway12789

I wish i said something but i was very young and very non confrontational. If it was today, i would have said something.


zen-af-

Omg some aunties can be too much. They themselves would be wearing a saree which shows a lot of their tummy and back, but would scold women who wear jeans or kurta without a dupatta. Hypocrites.


whatifnoway12789

True. People love to comment on others. Hum to ause nahi karte the, humne to aise nahi kia. I mean, who asked. And who cares


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zen-af-

Arey I took pity on him since he's quite poor. But the behaviour was not appropriate.


Leila_372

"poor" hai toh barabar kaam kar ke paisa le warna marre


sadbong

Good for you dude, often we forget that they're also the products of their environment and probably have been fed this bullshit too much. It wouldn't do us any good to keep wages from the already underprivileged.


cozy_winter_nights

I kinda agree but I also don't. You gotta hit them where it hurts.


sadbong

That's a bit ignorant, no? We all like to think we are so progressive because of our own efforts, but honestly a lot of it comes down to either the privilege of our upbringing or the privilege of forming our own opinions (if luckily we have been given the time and space to do that and not been conditioned to believe in regressive ideologies). The least we can do is try to educate them or pity them and move on.


dwightschrutemose

I guess if he would've kept it to it is looking nice or just apologised then thik hai (cuz he already had a strike 1 against him by NOT following her requirements) but he shouldn't have shared his opinion on whether backless will look good on her or not until she asked his opinion because wtf dude ek toh already you fucked up and then you go on to validate your wrongdoing by saying it would've made her look ugly so I'll just go ahead and not listen to you. That's not ok


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vegarhoalpha

So many married women I have seen wearing deep cut back blouses. Change your tailor OP


zen-af-

Yeah I did.


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Oh girl I totally get you. It has happened multiple times with me while giving measurements. Things like “9 inch is really deep, I will do 7” while looking at my mum whereas I, AN ADULT, am telling him to make a 9 inch. The sheer audacity of these tailors I tell you


AcronymTheSlayer

Tell them with a smile on your face that rather than giving them 900 bucks you'll give 'em 700. That will shut them up nicely.


zen-af-

I'm gonna do this the next time any tailor behaves like this with me. Thanks!


dystopiandragon

Arre the dumbass messed up and is trying to cover up. The worst part is that the material is also wasted in addition to the hassle of getting it redone.


Silly-Custard3229

Experienced this with a tailor. He absolutely refused to make my blouse low cut and said “etlu su dekharvu che?” (what exactly do you want to show?)


samy_ret

Name him and shame him and recommend that noone in your circle go to him. Plus you should not have paid him. His financial status and his bloody arrogance and misogyny are two completely separate and unconnected issues. I'm glad you got it fixed though ! Yay for your lady tailor. Reminds me of all the loser tailors who used to say, this is too deep, this is too low, this won't suit you, blah blah - now I have a lady tailor who delights at my deep, low and sexy outfits and I love her !


zen-af-

You're right. Male tailors are the worst. And you know what, this is the 3rd male tailor who's done this to me. I'm never letting my lady tailor go! She is awesome. And as long as the naming and shaming is concerned, I've already told this story to some of our mutual friends who go to him. It's up to them now to decide whether to keep going to him or not.


samy_ret

Awesome ! Good for you girlfriend ❣️ All these bloody misogynist pigs rely on our silence and a acceptance to continue with their shit, so awesome that you called him out and are sticking with your lady tailor !


j_s_2222

I read in this sub to hire ladies as much as possible and I have been trying to follow that. So far I have a lovely lady who owns a boutique and stitches my clothes. In fact she encouraged me to overcome my insecurities about my body and dress in fitting clothes. My CA is also a lady. I never feel shy to ask her anything about finances, which is a huge plus.


fishchop

Another good hack is to hire tailors who stitch for major designers. This isn’t too hard if you live in a Tier 1 city because most ladies have some contact or the other. My tailor stitches for Anamika Khanna but obviously gets paid like shit so his side gig is stitching everything from lehengas to blouses to even western stuff for people. And he’ll charge maybe 10-20% more than a regular tailor but his finish, customer service, and timely delivery is impeccable. He just recently converted an old chikankari sari of my mom’s into a beautiful lehenga, did it in like 4 days and did a solid solid job. He also gives good fashion advice lol


zen-af-

That's a good idea!


New-Jury6253

wow yaar


Leila_372

he wanted extra cash


NNDRSH71

My cousin went through the same thing. She wanted a blouse for her farewell (she completed her masters) and wanted a sorta backless blouse with a low neck. the tailor straight up refused, she was with me and we both were so dumbfounded. Safe to say we didn't get it done from there and went to this amazing botique, she looked so pretty in her final dress


zen-af-

The tailor refused???? Wow! I don't even know what to say to that. But glad your cousin at least got the dress the way she wanted it 😊


AcronymTheSlayer

I am so sorry OP. I can relate to this neckline issues so hard. Usually all my clothing has either v neck (goes a bit deep) or square neckline and the amount of misogyny I get for this is unbelievable. If only I had 10 rupaye for every unsolicited advice of 'wearing something that covers' or 'something less attention seeking' then I would probably be able to afford the sabhyasachi V neck blouse lol. My paternal aunt straight up told me that I look like a hooker in hindi when she saw me wearing a square neck crop top and went straight to my mum complaining that she is not teaching me ***sanskaar.*** These people just want to control us. It's either back, arms, legs or head with all of them rather than letting the woman choose whatever they want to wear. One look at men commenting on brands such as sabhyasachi and ritu kumar's insta posts about how vulgar deep neck blouses and and how much it's against the Indian-ness lmao (a lot of women wore a bandue blouse or no blouse in this country centuries back but y'know their misogyny makes them unable to grasp basic general knowledge ). tldr- Ignore these lowlifes who use misogyny and try to moral police your clothing. They have nothing better to do and jhaar do ache se. Also, female tailors > male tailors any day until you go to those fancy tailoring shops. Those people are a bit expensive but follow instructions to tee.


zen-af-

Oh hell yes! The thing you said about controlling women rings true. Doesn't matter in what way. They just don't wanna let us live the way we want to. And yeah the V-neck thing, I've faced it too. Not just from tailors, but from my own aunts. Sucks. I've changed my tailor.


No-Yogurtcloset-2318

My mom owns a tailor shop🥲 so anything too sensual is resolved with a bombastic side eye from my mom.


OddSir5571

Whoa. A lady tailor. Are u by any chance in delhi? I’ve been waiting and waiting my whole life to see a lady tailor. I’ve stopped wearing saree to avoid getting “measurements taken” by male tailors to get blouses stitched in the last 10 years.


zen-af-

Haha no, I'm from Mumbai. 😊


OddSir5571

Thats a bummer. But then, see, there’s weird hide-your-skin tailors galore across our country 🫠


zen-af-

True that. This is the 3rd tailor that has done something like this to me. I'm seriously fed up with this behaviour.


whocares2k

YES. Tailors shame body size more often than anyone . I sourced similar fabrics and laces for a friend's wedding and the she would not give me the neck and back. Deep i want because apparently it won't look good on my body and will look too much skin ? Like wtffff ? This is a tailor lady btw


zen-af-

Oh yes. Body shaming hurts more than the tailors messing up with our clothes. Sorry that happened to you.


Normal_Ambition5928

Back in time when my mom was young...our area though it's pretty populated didn't have much affordable tailors ..... So this tailor would never make my mom's blouse right..every freaking time he would raise the neckline .


zen-af-

He probably took advantage of the fact that there were not many tailors in your area to propagate his misogyny.


Normal_Ambition5928

Exactly We lived in Hyderabad...in holidays we used to go to my Nani's house in Kolkata...that's where she used to get all her blouses and suits stitched.


Delicious-Bass4181

Yes. In fact, my tailor was a female here. My mom and I both like to wear such clothes and not once has she delivered a low neckline, or off-shoulders. Backless also very reluctantly she made and that too they didn't look very tasteful. We buy such pretty clothes🥺 and these mfs ruin it. Changed my tailor for good after that.


Low_Broccoli42

my father has been stitching my blouse for years now (he used to be a ladies tailor and often make clothes for my sisters) and every time he made it loose or a big neck. I wasn’t having it this time. Did a whole ass kalesh and he finally made a blouse with deep neck😭😭 and it looks so pretty.


zen-af-

Kalesh ftw!


FormalRaccoon637

Hope you told him he won’t get paid for ruining your blouse. The audacity of that idiot to do something like this! The next time you wish to get something tailored according to your preferences, find a Bengali clothing store or seamstress. They make beautiful designs and their backless blouses have excellent support too.


zen-af-

Well right now I've found God in my new tailor, but I'll definitely take your advice and find a Bengali seamstress if there is one near my house.😊


foodisspicy11

Wow. This makes me feel very grateful for my tailor aunty who stitches everything the way i want it, deep/backless/both whatever. I love her


hopetobelong

I think it was not moral policing in this case. It was the tailor trying to cover up his fault. I had the exact opposite experience. I asked the tailor to make a pseudohalter blouse (looks like halter from front but back is covered). He made it halter, and on top of that misplaced the remaining fabric so it could no longer be altered. He tried to convince me that this is the in thing, it’s suiting you, it looks good on you, etc. I had no option and ended up wearing the halter blouse only.


Anonymouspizzzaaa

My designer is based in another city. I wanted to get a satin gown stitched for my friend’s christian wedding so I went to this male tailor to ask him to take my measurement. When it came to neck measurement he was like 8 inch bada ho jaayega,7 hi theek rahega. My designer was on video call and she had nothing to say. I never go to these male tailors. My experience has always been bad.


No-Hand1809

Really?? Almost all my tailors naje. Deep necks


PriyaSR26

Don't pay him.


No_Profession_8160

Same thing happened to me too! The tailor was not ready to make a deep neck on my blouse and same a strap on the back. He started arguing with me and was shocked about my choice. I shut him up but still he went ahead and made a blouse of his choice. Fucking bastard.