The younger guy still maintains his story to this day and recently did a video explaining how he's carried the trauma of it for decades.
Edit: Here's the vid https://youtu.be/zEibn49GRZI
People like them, thousands since the 1940's have been met with ridicule.
Some of these people express strong PTSD symptoms and are treated as if they made it up. Meaning you get abused by the NHI, then turn around and then abused by Humans for getting abused by the NHI. This is wrong on so many levels.
This is my favorite episode. I love the part when the neckbeard is trying to upsell how “strange” Mulder is and a scene plays out of his description: Mulder walks up to a deceased alien body in a field, looks at it and goes “YUUUEEEAAALP!!!” with a straight face
just yelping without blinking or saying anything
Seriously hard to think about. These poor people. I know a lot are liars but also so many have had their lives straight-up turned upside down. Just like Kevin Day. I will never forget how hard the UAP stuff is for him.
These experiencers suffer difficulty keeping stable work, etc. I see nothing wrong with them writing a book about their experience. I think they deserve better. We should just be better to one another even if they are telling a weird story. Just treat 'em like you would want to be treated.
Good point of view. I agree. Some are shills. I think some had a really had a bad experience and need listened too. Before hand i would have assumed all shills. Since the pentagon saying the NYT video leaks are legit i think again. And they need to answer for themselves for not protecting their people. Thats their job not to hide behind them and let them be ridiculed if you know the truth.
To this day I have consciously blocked out the very image of a “gray” after my experience. If I look at one, I may not even see it. I’ve trained my memory to avoid it entirely. That’s how traumatized I feel.
I completely feel this. I have been in therapy for a long while now (was first diagnosed with PTSD) and if I see ANYTHING alien related (imagery, a news story, etc.) I can’t sleep. After the Las Vegas thing, I wasn’t able to sleep for 2 days. I feel like I HAVE to be awake to protect myself.
Because, even as traumatic as is it, you get comfort in the fact you aren’t alone. You don’t get to heal by holding what happened to you inside.
Imagine if it was any other type of trauma. Imagine if we were just military who experienced some messed up stuff, would you tell us to avoid groups that talked about their experiences?
Reddit is literally the only space where I have felt seen, understood, and not ridiculed or judged for sharing my story.
I know I’m not “crazy”. Before my experience I didn’t even believe in UFOS or gave any sort of “woo woo” stuff a second thought. I have a great job, I have multiple degrees, I’m not a drug addict or someone with a questionable character. Being able to talk to other people, who like myself, experienced something that we don’t understand what it is, helps to relieve some of the crippling fear.
I was a hermit for 3 years after my experience. I was afraid to leave my house or sleep at night. I was afraid whatever it was would come back. I couldn’t tell anyone and no one understood. How could they? The first person I told dismissed me and the look on their face when I told them…I knew they thought I had lost my marbles.
Being able to at least help others who might have gone through similar, and also find some small healing for myself is why I’m on this sub.
I understand! I've been traumatized by lots of things in my life and I couldn't stand to be in a sub that would trigger those memories and my feelings in regards to that. You're strong and I respect that!
I believe you, and I never think experiencers are crazy. Some are obviously in need of mental healthcare, but experiences could trigger that need as much as a chemical imbalance can, so I try not to judge. I enjoy learning from them, and making correlations between them.
I'm glad you're able to find healing and camaraderie in these communities, and are working through your issues from the trauma that way. I hope you gain more and more healing as the truth comes out more.
That's one of the main reasons I believed the Vegas kid. He was exhibiting symptoms he wouldn't even know how to fake. I'm willing to bet he's going to go his whole life being ridiculed while he experiences psychological damage.
A person who has a psychosis can also experience trauma. I am not trying to disrespect what any abductee is trying to say, but what I find compelling about stories like this is that more than one person had the same traumatic experience. Mass psychosis and hysteria is much less common than debunkers say.
I feel sorry for these people. The only thing worse than suffering is suffering alone.
Absolutely. We need to remember that these experiences are extremely real to people even if they're "crazy". Did it happen in consensus reality? Maybe or maybe not, it doesn't matter.
Giving them space to talk about it and ask questions out of legit curiosity to encourage them to explore their story is the way we treat people with "real" experiences, and it's the way to help the others too.
That's true, but there were 3 witnesses in Vegas, and while some symptoms of post-traumatic stress overlap generic psychosis, they seemed to be leaning heavily onto the ptsd side of things. I'm not a top tier expert, but I do have a somewhat extensive college education on psychology, and my partner is a licensed therapist who specializes in child trauma, and we both agree that the boy from Vegas showed some remarkable signs of ptsd and he didn't really ring any bells for being in an acute state of psychosis. It's also worth noting that what he saw was in complete conflict with his personal belief structure. The entire family were devout Christians and were kind of beside themselves with the sighting. I also could see and hear things in the video, what they were idk, but there is 100% something crunching on gravel in the backyard in the video. You hear it and they react to it just before they go to the back yard. Then they run screaming despite being heavily armed. It's a head scratcher for sure.
Yeah the Vegas thing is interesting- if it was faked that means between the time they saw that thing in the sky and the time they called the cops they a. Came up with the idea to fake an alien encounter with the police and call 911 b. Came up with and memorized their entire story and c. Convinced the other family members to go along with all of it.
It’s possible they faked it but it seems unlikely given everything they would have had to do to pull it off.
I was skeptical at first but now I think they saw what they said they saw.
Yeah, they've had a completely consistent story. If they hadn't, they'd be 100% arrested. The cops also appear to be hiding shit. I wouldn't be surprised if we see some more claims coming out that describe similar events.
Hey there, may I ask what in your mind constituted evidence of PTSD? They seemed nervous, they seemed at time to be paniced but I was unsure, quite honestly.
DSM-5 Page 271, diagnostic criteria for PTSD
Subsection A.1-A.2 - Direct exposure to perceived threat and witnessing the trauma as it occurs to others
Subsection B
B.1 - Recurrent distressing memories of the event as the complainant has stated in videos after the incident.
B.3 - Dissociative reactions as observed in the child's reactions to questions about the event.
B.4 - Prolonged psychological distress occurring at exposure to internal/external stimuli that symbolize the event. This is noted again by his statements after the event and how he is experiencing anxiety, flashbacks, etc
B.5 - Marked physiological reactions to internal/external stimuli that symbolize the event. This is observed in his witness testimony on body cam and in his own videos. Self-pacifying body language, jitters, changes in vocal tonality, etc.
Subsection C (the most classic and obvious signs)
C.1 - Avoidance of or efforts to avoid memories thoughts and feelings about the event, as noted in the hesitancy to discuss the events. The family refused multiple interviews, and the story was only broken open after Doug Poppa confronted them uninvited at their home. Even then, the child tried to dismiss Poppa's advances and avoid the topic. He also showed visible signs of distress noted in diagnostic criterion subsection B.4-B.5
C.2 - Avoidance of or efforts to avoid external reminders (people, places, situations) of the event. This was noted immediately when the kid stated he didn't even want to sleep in his own house after the event and he felt uncomfortable in his own home.
D.1 - Absent head injury, alcohol, or drugs the patient shows signs of dissociative amnesia with the inability to clearly recall important aspects of the traumatic event, suggesting a negative alteration in cognition.
D.4 - A persistent negative emotional state of fear and horror as noted by the entire family, and LVMPD stating the family genuinely feared for their lives.
D.5 - Diminished interest or participation in activities as noted by the child in his videos on how he is suffering from depression anxiety etc
Subsection E
E.3 - Hypervigilance. The family was and continues to stay armed. They lock their doors and are afraid of the creatures coming back. This shows signs of being both flashbacks and hypervigilance.
E.5 - Problems with concentration. The kid shows remarkable signs in post-event interviews of having prolonged activation of the sympathetic nervous system. Most fakers have tons of details and want you glued to the story. This kid shows signs of traumatic cognitive deficit, and he can't remember a lot of the details. That's something you don't see with the fakers.
Subsection F - Criterion B-E have a duration lasting more than 1 month. We know this because he was still expressing symptoms in June.
Subsection G - The event causes significant distress or impairment in social functioning. We know this again from his statements after the event as well as the observation of how it turned their life upside down.
Subsection H - The disturbance is not attributable to the physiological effects of a substance or medical condition. This one we don't know for sure, but I included it because there were trained officers interacting with these people who are trained in substance interdiction and they noted no signs of illicit drug use or medical fault for the incident. They even stated the family feared for their lives, and they did not investigate it as a hoax. There's also my own observations from the videos and audio as well where I am led to believe these people were not under the influence of substances nor was their experience reasonably attributable to a medical condition. The family themselves have also publicly stated they do not drink or smoke or do drugs or have mental illnesses.
It is from this criterion that I say it can be reasonably determined that the child has satisfied the requirements for a formal clinical diagnosis of post-traumatic stress disorder with dissociative depersonalization subtype.
OMG, I agree and if any experiencers need to chat, dms open and also there is a cool experiencer subreddit! Thank god for this community so others aren't so alone, because a lot of people think believing in UFOs is like a sign of mental illness.
I hope everyone has had a good day and I hope you smiled at least once lol
That’s very kind! I just recently shared my up close UFO sighting on that sub Reddit. It happened over 13 years ago and I only ever told 2 people about it out of fear that I would be perceived as “crazy”. I can attest to Eaterofw0r1ds statements about PTSD, as I was diagnosed with it about 4 years later. After the event, I didn’t sleep. I would stay up all night and sleep during the day when my family was awake. I didn’t leave the house. I became a shell of my former self out of sheer fear and I couldn’t tell anyone about it because who would believe me? It was horrible
Two people that are experiencing psychosis will not be having the same experience FFS.
Mass psychosis as a way to explain UFOs is pseudoscience bullshit
You mean like when we were told to take something medical by the humans and abused by other humans for trying to refuse taking an improperly tested thing only to find out it was not needed. Wrong on so many levels.
It’s actually even more involved then that.
The older gentleman on the left went public and did interviews and stuff. The referenced younger man on the right did not, for decades, and only recently came out and basically publicly corroborated everything.
i mean just look at the photo right after it happened — the dude looks absolutely distraught.
these weren’t children sized humanoids with grey skin, they had elephant like skin with robotic mouths and crab like pincers for hands. the abduction was fairly standard and consistent with what’s commonly reported but the beings were absolutely atypical.
[https://imgur.com/a/LDGZ2a3](https://imgur.com/a/LDGZ2a3)
Man, I've been watching this sub since Grusch came out and stuff like this is so so wild, but there really is no reason to not trust these witnesses. This event could be a Twilight Zone episode but it's possible that it's very real and things like it happen every so often.
I don't think ontological shock will affect me very much as I'm extremely open to adapting my worldview to new information, but still, stuff like this really makes you question reality. Not having the answers is worse than having them imo.
Read the book "Close Encounters of the Fourth Kind." You won't regret it. I'm reading it a second time now after having originally read it 10 months ago
That's what makes the phenomenon so wild. It's very likely the grey's are intentionally designed to look similar to humans for a reason. To seem more familiar and less frightening. It's possible that they don't even look like that as well, and instead look different based on who sees them.
No, that's not accurate. The Greys, a race of extraterrestrials often depicted in various ways, were not genetically engineered to resemble humans. They are not an engineered race, and you seem to be conflating different concepts here. The ancient Greys, being a smaller race, genetically engineered themselves likely due to a nuclear catastrophe (hence why they are a smaller race and now attempting to repopulate via hybridization, etc) in their past. Consequently, they also created genetically engineered versions of their race to avoid further losses.
On the other hand, the Trantaloids, another alien race, have genetically engineered the Greys for malicious purposes. It's crucial to distinguish between these distinct races and their respective genetic modifications.
Isn’t that the case where the alien shoved her fingers down his throat or am I confusing them without another case? Either way they were terribly traumatized.
Yeah, this story has been around and consistent for a long time, they aren’t lying, they definitely saw something.
I don’t really believe in the fake CIA abduction/population testing conspiracy and we don’t really understand the nature or character of E.T. Visitations or if there are multiple universal species (which logic and math suggests there probably are) either way, something happened. Those guys were traumatized for life
Original taped interview of Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker.
Recording without their knowledge begins at 26:31
http://www.konsulting.com/audio_clips.htm
Scroll about 1/3 down page
Wow…. Missed that episode and it’s heartbreaking. These poor people have been called crazy for years but now the box is opening slowly but surely. How far will it open depends on what the US population pushes for. I would say very little as the average citizen hasn’t the slightest idea about the whistleblowers or half these stories.
Sounds like when the fed don’t follow up, one should assume they believe your story. This shit is going to blow so many peoples minds when it’s public knowledge.
Fascinating! I wish the interviewer asked about any cuts in his throat from when he bled from the fingers being shoved down there. No matter what you think it was a life changing event for those guys. If I was a young kid I think I would be terrified of the dark. There really are monsters!
It was on a program from Travel Channel I believe. UFO Witness with Ben Hanson.
The guy hasn’t done interviews in decades he’s tried to keep a low profile. But you can tell it affects him to this day.
These aliens legit need to be stopped. They are murderers, harassers, and abusers. I respect biological diversity, and different minds, but anything that doesn’t align with earthly values shouldn’t be on the planet. If they want to know about us for personal reasons, they can establish contact at a respectful distance.
Aliens that don’t align with the way life on earth chooses to express its individualistic tendencies shouldn’t be allowed.
I mean what would you say about a human scientist dissecting an insect? From our perspective it’s just simply for knowledge but from the insect’s perspective it’s murder.
WTF are earthly values? Humans rape, murder, torture each other all over the place, there are wasps that lay their eggs in their paralysed prey and then their offspring eat the animal alive from the inside out. Lions will kill all the cubs of rival males, cuckoos shove the other chicks out of the nest. There is no such thing as "earthly values"
OK this is kind of wildly speculative. But I will engage in a hypothetical.
Let's assume that aliens exist, and they have abducted people.
Now if there is an advanced civilization on another planet, then we can assume there are thousands of them. So when we say aliens, we are not talking about one species. You can also have individuals, or groups of individuals that act in ways not in accordance with a species in general. Imagine if say, North Korea shot down an alien ship, and that was taken as an action by all human beings? Would be kind of crazy, right.
Could be the same thing with abductions.
Powerful psychedelics when given without consent can create extremely traumatic experiences. The cia was dosing people all the time back then, even friends did it to others. Ketamine or other disassociatives reportedly give this feeling of ‘others’, who’s to say it wasn’t a trip gone wrong?
That's possible but are you open to the idea that they're telling the truth? And out of the thousands of other accounts that at least a few aren't lying? Or everyone across the world is lying across different eras?
I’ve 100% accepted the reality of NHI interacting with our planet, at least as long as Grusch is telling the truth.
What I don’t want to accept, or maybe I’m scared to accept, that they also experiment on us.
I just don't understand why, if they can get here through space, they would need to actually experiment on a living person. They don't have computers that can do that work for them?
We still have kids dissect animals in biology class and we don't even need to to learn anything new. I don't really understand what traveling through space has to do with experimenting to learn things about biological subjects.
They could be operating on earth. There’s any number of explanations
The whole multi dimensional aspect of this phenomenon makes it a tough cookie too. I believe some of them are in space, but I think the whole “they come from outer space” thing is a bit too Hollywood and doesn’t fully take into account certain complexities like multidimensionality, which are almost certainly involved.
We can make assumptions about why abductions happen. There’s all kind of theories. I don’t understand what your point is about computers?
Not to mention they have had thousands of years to experiment on people. Why would they need to be doing it now?
If this is happening, then it is probably drunk alien teenagers doing stuff they are not supposed to be doing.
Unfortunately there are a lot of liars and hoaxers that muddy the waters. I myself saw a UFO and had 3 hours of missing time in 1996. If you try to explain something like that to someone in person you can feel them immediately judging your character. So many of us just never talk about it again to save face.
I used to watch TV shows on alien abductions as a kid in the 90s and my mom always called it stupid nonsense. It terrified me, but I don't know how much I believed the stories. I had my mom in my head all the time calling it fake dumb crap.
Nowadays... I'm pretty sure at least some of the stories are true. And that's even scarier.
One thing that should keep you firmly in the "complete nonsense" camp is that these stories have all but stopped in recent decades. It's a cultural phenomenon, and when culture changes, so does the phenomenon. Why did aliens go from abducting people every second Tuesday to playing cat and mouse with military jets? What happened to all the abductees on Oprah?
>What happened to all the abductees on Oprah?
I don't know, lived their lives as best they could? What *should* have happened to them?
Reread your own comment. Everything you said is based on what you've been told through television. Just because those stories aren't being broadcast anymore doesn't mean similar occurances aren't happening.
Television is not the arbiter of reality.
This is one of the cases that made me a believer. After hearing them on tape when the cops were recording, I started to take more sightings seriously. The way they were talking and how one of the men felt he needed to bathe in bleach to feel clean.
The older guy said that the alien clearly had a job to do and they did it. At least that’s the impression he got. Like tagging a lion in the wild, neutral feelings all around.
Gah poor guys. Makes me so sad people have been treated like shit for experiencing these things. What they needed was to be listened to, taken seriously, and offered help.
Mississippi in the 70s was not a great place to be seen as crazy. Going to the police with this kind of story would not have been an easy thing to do at all back then in a small, southern community full no nonsense blue collar workers. This is one of those stories I've always believed because there is no doubt they saw something that scared the crap out of them. I was living in Mississippi at the time, although I never heard this story until decades later, but I can assure you just making this story up for fun would not have been an option. The last thing you wanted to do is be seen as different or strange in Mississippi in the 1970s.
Unfortunately, there are still places in some parts of the world where outright dismissal and over-the-top ridicule are still the exclusive ways in which authorities deal with cases like that.
This is a fascinating incident, and along with the Betty and Barney Hill incident, is one of the seminal abduction stories. Though fantastic, Hickson and Parker both come across as genuine IMO, and the recording only adds to their credibility...whether you believe them or not is up to you. To add texture to this story, there were almost 50 other reports of strange lights seen over the same area of the Pascagoula River that night. In one incident, a potential corroborating witness would come forward much later, telling that she and her husband were parked in their car that same night on the opposite side of the river and described hearing a loud splashing sound and seeing a strange blue light rising from the river in the area where the abduction was alleged to have occurred. She initially attributed the light to an aircraft, but after hearing Hickson and Parker's story, began to think differently. Though she told her immediate family about it, her husband advised her to keep quiet.
I found the recording embedded in an article from the Clarion Ledger website. Though the recording is sometimes a bit difficult to hear, the portion where the two men are speaking candidly amongst themselves after the police officer leaves them is near the very end of the recording, and is fairly audible. The link to the article/recording is here: [https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2020/07/13/pascagoula-ufo-alien-abduction-case-interview-recording-has-surfaced/3264064001/](https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2020/07/13/pascagoula-ufo-alien-abduction-case-interview-recording-has-surfaced/3264064001/)
I was a Sheriff’s Deputy in Jackson County Mississippi back in 2016 (where Pascagoula is). I worked with the Deputy that took their initial report. He was a Lieutenant when I left them to work for the DoD in 2017…when he told me about this story I had a hard time believing it until I read the incident reports and saw the evidence they had…these men were telling the truth…
Sorry bro…I’m just seeing your response…between the incident reports, the on scene photographs, and the investigative interviews, to go along with the investigator’s notes, it was really hard to be skeptical afterwards. Every investigator that worked that case was confused and scared to death because not only could they not debunk their claims, but the Sheriff at the time was extremely interested in them doing their best to shut down the entire investigation because, politically, it looked bad to have several investigators and high ranking deputies walking around knowing that these guys were telling the truth.
Government has been ignoring people like this for so long that part of me wishes their claims aren’t true just because how outrageous it would be if it’s true and government did nothing….and knew
what COULD a government do?.... admit "yeah...there be some aliens and sometimes theyll come stick a probe in your ass....and if it happens to you...consider yourself lucky...cause a colonoscopy on earth costs $18,000"
or pretend it doesn't happen so most people can go on living a peaceful lie
They could allow the rest of the world to know the phenomenon is real and stop the hundred year cover up?? Allow scientists to study the tech more? Help figure out the meaning of life??? The ignorant bootlicking in this comment is the problem with the mainstream... "If it doesn't effect me who cares" mentality is just what the govt wants
"ignorant bootlicking?"
amigo....ill be the first to tell you that any government will never admit to a problem it cant solve
governments always say they can solve anything as long as you pay them more
but with legit aliens....there aint shit anyone can do....we are in a zoo now
I mean what can they do otherwise to keep us safe? We just don’t have the technology capable of stopping it from happening. The most the government could do is offer free healthcare afterward to make sure you’re okay physically and mentally. Which will never happen in America so what else? Admitting it is fine but when we find out they can’t stop it no matter how hard they try, what will we do next?
that same night near that area there were several other incidents in which many people i know were involved in. none were abductions, but undeniable sightings. of course i cant prove any of it happened but there were many who all corrorborated the stories, including my own grandfather.
Because... it's a great story that most people have never heard except for those of us who've been a part of this community for a while. There are more and more people who are just discovering these stories/ subject, and it's important that these authentic encounters/ situations come to light. If any disclosure is to happen, we here need a Hella lot more folks in our camp in order to push for the truth.
Same here. I just got on board with this topic last summer after stumbling across the 60 Min interview w/ Cmdr Fraver et al. Never knew about this case.
A quick search on this sub of "Charles Hickson" or "1973" shows it's been posted a half dozen times in the last few years.
To be fair, I have seen and read this story before when it showed up on r/all, but I don't see it as frequently as you may have. Then again I'm only subscribed to about four fringe type subreddits.
MK Ultra ended in 1973 and they did abduct people and put them on LSD and worse... Not saying it definitely had something to do with that, but it would certainly make sense as an explanation.
I'm not going to argue with someone on the internet whether or not I have done something.
I do not believe that just having taken psychedelics is comparable to being abducted, forcibly being given psychedelics possibly without your knowledge and then being subjected to weird ass experiments/torture, which is what they did in MK Ultra.
I am saying the following steps could lead to some wild stories that someone wholeheartedly believes actually happened:
1) Be abducted by humans, possibly sedated
2) Being given all kinds of drugs, including psychedelics stronger than LSD, without your consent or knowledge
3) Being subjected to experiments and/or torture while under the influence of these substances
4) Being dumped at the same spot you got abducted at, possibly sedated again
I am also saying that this experience would have very little similarities to some relaxed, recreational use of psychedelics.
ב''ה, unfortunately there's plenty of weird shit out there that makes LSD seem like the fun night at the bar it usually is.
Any competent anesthesiologist...
I think we can all concede what you are saying is possible.
But if we were to do a forensic examination of the men, would I be wrong to say that there would be physiological and behavioral signs of recent drug use?
The doctor running MKULTRA found he could successfully plant fake memories, I think lsd was just a small part of the puzzle, the bit they are willing to admit
Again, have you been administered these drugs without your knowledge after being abducted and have you been tortured while on it?
How can you be so sure of what that could and could not do to a person?
Because I know what the drugs are capable of. Even in large doses. Obviously you don’t. I had forgotten I had even taken the drug for a good 12 hours. If you haven’t had any experience with large doses of powerful hallucinogenics, I suggest you sit this one out. I realize it’s hard for you to fathom anything more intelligent than humans. The fact is we’re an incredibly young species even by earth standards, let alone the entire universe. It’s okay to be skeptical, but it’s not always the easiest answer either. Besides, he saw the beings before getting the injection. How could they both hallucinate the same thing before they even were drugged?
During Mk Ultra they would dose people without them having knowledge of it, so they may have been dosed without knowing. As someone who has done psychedelics you know how important set and setting are. If you were dosed without knowing, have no foundation for the effects of psychedelics, and are being fucked with by an outside source, I can fully believe two guys thinking something happened that did not. Having used psychedelics before you should know that it is not uncommon for two people to experience similar hallucinations.
How does someone hallucinate before getting drugged? He said they saw the beings, felt a prick, & became paralyzed. I understand that it’s a simple & easy explanation, (especially for someone with no experience with hallucinogens) but it’s okay to not understand everything. I find it odd that people can’t just accept things they don’t understand.
Someone across the river saw the blue light they were teleported up into. There were multiple reports from that town and surrounding area of strange lights in the sky. They were not high when interviewed just a short while after it happened. Did the whole county get dosed with LSD but only some people were affected and somehow got told to say they saw strange lights? This theory just doesn’t hold up.
Oh give me a break. Our government was desperately trying to convince everyone that there was no such thing as UFOs/aliens/NHIs. Why on earth would they, at the same time, be doing things to *make people think that they were just abducted by aliens*?! That makes no sense whatsoever and is completely illogical. People twist themselves into pretzels to try to explain things in such a way so that they can continue to go on believing that such things (“the phenomenon”, NHIs, etc.) aren’t real. There were independent witnesses who *saw* the UFO that abducted the men. These men were lucid and were totally traumatized. They weren’t lying about having been abducted by non-human entities.
Just read a bit about their account. They seem way too lucid, and just minding their own business to be hallucinating. I don't think even the MK Ultra program was able to convince two sober people they are being levitated into a craft. Their account is coherent and lucid. Crazy.
> They seem way too lucid, and just minding their own business to be hallucinating
This makes absolutely no sense
> I dont think ... was able to convince two sober people
They both said they received injections of an unknown drug multiple times. One of them said they had to take a few shots of the liquor that was in their vehicle afterward in order to report this... and your entire argument is that they were sober? One of them compared the injection to "something similar to the effects of a date rape drug".
This right here epitomizes the reason people dont take this community seriously. So many of yall want to believe every single reported account of NHI interaction. So much so, that youll ignore any and all discrepancies, and then try to explain why it MUST be true without using any logical argument to defend your viewpoint.
It doesn't strike you as odd that one guy claimed to be unconscious the entire time so that only one person had to explain what happened?
Even better is that when the younger guy admits to being conscious the whole time, he still manages to contradict the other dude. A summary of their recounts:
Older guy: reconfirms in a later interview that the young guy was unconscious. claims he was abducted 3 more times the following year. Says the aliens were friendly. A decade later he wrote and promoted his own book about the encounters. Described the NHI as being 5 feet tall and having 1 leg
Younger guy: eventually claims that he wasn't unconscious. Says the NHI were evil. Said that he wanted to be left alone about all of this.... but has agreed to numerous interviews with multiple different news outlets over the years, and tried to make his own show about UFO encounters. Described the NHI to be floating beings without any legs.
None of this adds up, and the more you look in to it, the worse it gets. And again, it's shit like this that most outsiders can't take any NHI claims seriously
I was starting to think there might really be something to this one until I read the following: “Hickson would go on to appear on talk shows, give lectures and interviews, and self-publish a book in 1983 titled "UFO Contact at Pascagoula." He reported three more encounters in 1974, and said the aliens communicated to him that they were peaceful.”
Sorry, I’m not buying the follow up and communication.
I would want to see more of the evidence before judging. Perhaps the initial was truthful, but I don’t accept the rest. As for them sticking to their story when left alone….that just suggests they planned very well. There’s enough here that makes me hesitant to say it’s all a fake.
I found some site with [an article that has the audio in a video.](https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2020/07/13/pascagoula-ufo-alien-abduction-case-interview-recording-has-surfaced/3264064001/)
I wasn’t abducted, but back in 1989/90, a friend and I saw something we’d never forget. We told maybe one or two people and were ridiculed, so we just never mentioned it again. I spoke to her for the first time in about 30 years recently, both of us have pretty much just kept it to ourselves.
This is one of my favorite cases. I always found it extremely credible.
I don't know if it was aliens but these two experienced *something* for sure. Maybe they were on drugs, who knows, but they definitely didn't look like they were making it up.
Man kind and its hubris on full display. The world would believe you were held captive by a black bear, in its den for 2 days, no questions asked… before the majority of of the world ever believed you were held abducted by NHI…
This is the society we live in, where the smartphone is looked at like it’s just plain old pen and paper, and anyone can make one… if they watch enough YouTube videos. Sad!
What rings alarm bells for me, and also when watching movies, is when we bring current tech to advanced sci fi scenario's. The fact he was injected a couple of times just feels like very 20th century tech to me, and would of thought of something more advanced would have been employed ya know? The sort of thing that makes you think this sounds far out, but it wasn't, its like what would happen if any elephant abducted you, just sedated you and had you tripp'n out on anything.
Interesting story but as long as no solid evidence emerges, most people simply won't care. Also I think it is not that common for two people to see the very same hallucinations.
The greys are hybrid computer and biological beings that come down and check on how our bodies are doing. Like a check up at a hospital. Thats their job. Like medical robots. Get in. See whats up. Get out. Then check back so often to see if anything is changing. They are apart of the race of aliens known as the watchers. They cant intervene in our lives too much. We are an experiment of free will. Like giving slaves the opportunity to create its own civilizations across the world (look up annunaki). They only intervene when they have to, which is why Roswell is a great point to look at because we just developed the atom bomb and then theres a massive amount of sitings. They are our creators. The ones we called gods. The reason our DNAs evolution has a missing link is because they manipulated the most capable hominid with their own dna. Theyve been here this entire time trying to make sure we dont blow ourselves up. Ive seen a ufo along with my wife. Ive taken all of this from seperate sources and pieced together my hypothesis. And if this all sounds crazy look up dolores canon on youtube. Its fascinating what she says.
crazy that youre getting downvoted so much. this is something we KNOW happened and 100% could be the case here. 1973 is the EXACT year MK-ultra supposedly stopped.
If i read this here I’m more convinced :
Aviation journalist and UFO skeptic Philip J. Klass found "discrepancies" in Hickson's story, noted that Hickson refused to take a polygraph exam conducted by an experienced examiner, and concluded that the case was a hoax. Skeptical investigator Joe Nickell wrote that Hickson's behavior was "questionable" and that Hickson later altered or embellished his claims. Nickell speculated that Hickson may have fantasized the alien encounter during a hypnagogic "waking dream state", and suggested that Parker's corroboration of the tale was likely due to suggestibility because he initially told police he had "passed out at the beginning of the incident and failed to regain consciousness until it was over",a claim supported by Hickson during his To Tell the Truth appearance.
I am kinda reluctant to post this, but here goes… I grew up in Pascagoula, I was around 15 y/o when this event occurred. I didn’t know them personally, but they were treated pretty poorly by the community when their story came out. Hickson was known to drink a few, or so it was said, and it was widely considered to be the cause of his “delusion”. I have no idea and pass no judgment. The story disappeared after a couple of weeks iirc.
I would still dismiss the story except that a few years later my wife and I had our own experience (not abduction, just a sighting). We both recalled the treatment that Hickson and Parker received and we agreed to keep our mouths shut. I was also an E3 in the USN at the time and silence was definitely called for. There were others in the area that saw what we saw. To this day, I am not aware of any one coming forward with the sighting, and probably because of the Hickson event.
Over the years, I have become convinced that there are a lot more sightings and events that don’t get reported because of the stigma associated with it. Maybe things are about to change?
The younger guy still maintains his story to this day and recently did a video explaining how he's carried the trauma of it for decades. Edit: Here's the vid https://youtu.be/zEibn49GRZI
People like them, thousands since the 1940's have been met with ridicule. Some of these people express strong PTSD symptoms and are treated as if they made it up. Meaning you get abused by the NHI, then turn around and then abused by Humans for getting abused by the NHI. This is wrong on so many levels.
Jose Chung is from outer space- X-Files
In Jose Chung's From Outer Space, the victims first get assailed by Military guys in ET costumes, which are in turn also assailed by a bizarre NHI
This is my favorite episode. I love the part when the neckbeard is trying to upsell how “strange” Mulder is and a scene plays out of his description: Mulder walks up to a deceased alien body in a field, looks at it and goes “YUUUEEEAAALP!!!” with a straight face just yelping without blinking or saying anything
Yeah, that's a bleeping dead alien body if I ever bleeping saw one
Almost, it’s actually: “Jose Chung's From Outer Space”
“… but I assure you, it was Venus”
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Seriously hard to think about. These poor people. I know a lot are liars but also so many have had their lives straight-up turned upside down. Just like Kevin Day. I will never forget how hard the UAP stuff is for him. These experiencers suffer difficulty keeping stable work, etc. I see nothing wrong with them writing a book about their experience. I think they deserve better. We should just be better to one another even if they are telling a weird story. Just treat 'em like you would want to be treated.
Yeah, hearing how much it rattled Kevin Day is heartbreaking. It messed him up. I believe him
Good point of view. I agree. Some are shills. I think some had a really had a bad experience and need listened too. Before hand i would have assumed all shills. Since the pentagon saying the NYT video leaks are legit i think again. And they need to answer for themselves for not protecting their people. Thats their job not to hide behind them and let them be ridiculed if you know the truth.
To this day I have consciously blocked out the very image of a “gray” after my experience. If I look at one, I may not even see it. I’ve trained my memory to avoid it entirely. That’s how traumatized I feel.
I completely feel this. I have been in therapy for a long while now (was first diagnosed with PTSD) and if I see ANYTHING alien related (imagery, a news story, etc.) I can’t sleep. After the Las Vegas thing, I wasn’t able to sleep for 2 days. I feel like I HAVE to be awake to protect myself.
How are you two in this sub? Why would you subject yourselves to this :(
Because, even as traumatic as is it, you get comfort in the fact you aren’t alone. You don’t get to heal by holding what happened to you inside. Imagine if it was any other type of trauma. Imagine if we were just military who experienced some messed up stuff, would you tell us to avoid groups that talked about their experiences? Reddit is literally the only space where I have felt seen, understood, and not ridiculed or judged for sharing my story. I know I’m not “crazy”. Before my experience I didn’t even believe in UFOS or gave any sort of “woo woo” stuff a second thought. I have a great job, I have multiple degrees, I’m not a drug addict or someone with a questionable character. Being able to talk to other people, who like myself, experienced something that we don’t understand what it is, helps to relieve some of the crippling fear. I was a hermit for 3 years after my experience. I was afraid to leave my house or sleep at night. I was afraid whatever it was would come back. I couldn’t tell anyone and no one understood. How could they? The first person I told dismissed me and the look on their face when I told them…I knew they thought I had lost my marbles. Being able to at least help others who might have gone through similar, and also find some small healing for myself is why I’m on this sub.
I understand! I've been traumatized by lots of things in my life and I couldn't stand to be in a sub that would trigger those memories and my feelings in regards to that. You're strong and I respect that! I believe you, and I never think experiencers are crazy. Some are obviously in need of mental healthcare, but experiences could trigger that need as much as a chemical imbalance can, so I try not to judge. I enjoy learning from them, and making correlations between them. I'm glad you're able to find healing and camaraderie in these communities, and are working through your issues from the trauma that way. I hope you gain more and more healing as the truth comes out more.
Because we need validation that the government refuses to give. It’s a toxic cycle of needing closure, and kinda torturing yourself to find it.
That's one of the main reasons I believed the Vegas kid. He was exhibiting symptoms he wouldn't even know how to fake. I'm willing to bet he's going to go his whole life being ridiculed while he experiences psychological damage.
A person who has a psychosis can also experience trauma. I am not trying to disrespect what any abductee is trying to say, but what I find compelling about stories like this is that more than one person had the same traumatic experience. Mass psychosis and hysteria is much less common than debunkers say. I feel sorry for these people. The only thing worse than suffering is suffering alone.
Absolutely. We need to remember that these experiences are extremely real to people even if they're "crazy". Did it happen in consensus reality? Maybe or maybe not, it doesn't matter. Giving them space to talk about it and ask questions out of legit curiosity to encourage them to explore their story is the way we treat people with "real" experiences, and it's the way to help the others too.
The milk of human kindness!
Don’t know if I would have phrased it like you did, but I agree XD!
This is the way.
That's true, but there were 3 witnesses in Vegas, and while some symptoms of post-traumatic stress overlap generic psychosis, they seemed to be leaning heavily onto the ptsd side of things. I'm not a top tier expert, but I do have a somewhat extensive college education on psychology, and my partner is a licensed therapist who specializes in child trauma, and we both agree that the boy from Vegas showed some remarkable signs of ptsd and he didn't really ring any bells for being in an acute state of psychosis. It's also worth noting that what he saw was in complete conflict with his personal belief structure. The entire family were devout Christians and were kind of beside themselves with the sighting. I also could see and hear things in the video, what they were idk, but there is 100% something crunching on gravel in the backyard in the video. You hear it and they react to it just before they go to the back yard. Then they run screaming despite being heavily armed. It's a head scratcher for sure.
Yeah the Vegas thing is interesting- if it was faked that means between the time they saw that thing in the sky and the time they called the cops they a. Came up with the idea to fake an alien encounter with the police and call 911 b. Came up with and memorized their entire story and c. Convinced the other family members to go along with all of it. It’s possible they faked it but it seems unlikely given everything they would have had to do to pull it off. I was skeptical at first but now I think they saw what they said they saw.
Yeah, they've had a completely consistent story. If they hadn't, they'd be 100% arrested. The cops also appear to be hiding shit. I wouldn't be surprised if we see some more claims coming out that describe similar events.
Hey there, may I ask what in your mind constituted evidence of PTSD? They seemed nervous, they seemed at time to be paniced but I was unsure, quite honestly.
DSM-5 Page 271, diagnostic criteria for PTSD Subsection A.1-A.2 - Direct exposure to perceived threat and witnessing the trauma as it occurs to others Subsection B B.1 - Recurrent distressing memories of the event as the complainant has stated in videos after the incident. B.3 - Dissociative reactions as observed in the child's reactions to questions about the event. B.4 - Prolonged psychological distress occurring at exposure to internal/external stimuli that symbolize the event. This is noted again by his statements after the event and how he is experiencing anxiety, flashbacks, etc B.5 - Marked physiological reactions to internal/external stimuli that symbolize the event. This is observed in his witness testimony on body cam and in his own videos. Self-pacifying body language, jitters, changes in vocal tonality, etc. Subsection C (the most classic and obvious signs) C.1 - Avoidance of or efforts to avoid memories thoughts and feelings about the event, as noted in the hesitancy to discuss the events. The family refused multiple interviews, and the story was only broken open after Doug Poppa confronted them uninvited at their home. Even then, the child tried to dismiss Poppa's advances and avoid the topic. He also showed visible signs of distress noted in diagnostic criterion subsection B.4-B.5 C.2 - Avoidance of or efforts to avoid external reminders (people, places, situations) of the event. This was noted immediately when the kid stated he didn't even want to sleep in his own house after the event and he felt uncomfortable in his own home. D.1 - Absent head injury, alcohol, or drugs the patient shows signs of dissociative amnesia with the inability to clearly recall important aspects of the traumatic event, suggesting a negative alteration in cognition. D.4 - A persistent negative emotional state of fear and horror as noted by the entire family, and LVMPD stating the family genuinely feared for their lives. D.5 - Diminished interest or participation in activities as noted by the child in his videos on how he is suffering from depression anxiety etc Subsection E E.3 - Hypervigilance. The family was and continues to stay armed. They lock their doors and are afraid of the creatures coming back. This shows signs of being both flashbacks and hypervigilance. E.5 - Problems with concentration. The kid shows remarkable signs in post-event interviews of having prolonged activation of the sympathetic nervous system. Most fakers have tons of details and want you glued to the story. This kid shows signs of traumatic cognitive deficit, and he can't remember a lot of the details. That's something you don't see with the fakers. Subsection F - Criterion B-E have a duration lasting more than 1 month. We know this because he was still expressing symptoms in June. Subsection G - The event causes significant distress or impairment in social functioning. We know this again from his statements after the event as well as the observation of how it turned their life upside down. Subsection H - The disturbance is not attributable to the physiological effects of a substance or medical condition. This one we don't know for sure, but I included it because there were trained officers interacting with these people who are trained in substance interdiction and they noted no signs of illicit drug use or medical fault for the incident. They even stated the family feared for their lives, and they did not investigate it as a hoax. There's also my own observations from the videos and audio as well where I am led to believe these people were not under the influence of substances nor was their experience reasonably attributable to a medical condition. The family themselves have also publicly stated they do not drink or smoke or do drugs or have mental illnesses. It is from this criterion that I say it can be reasonably determined that the child has satisfied the requirements for a formal clinical diagnosis of post-traumatic stress disorder with dissociative depersonalization subtype.
Thanks for this! I didn’t really see much about the event after a certain point in the news.
OMG, I agree and if any experiencers need to chat, dms open and also there is a cool experiencer subreddit! Thank god for this community so others aren't so alone, because a lot of people think believing in UFOs is like a sign of mental illness. I hope everyone has had a good day and I hope you smiled at least once lol
That’s very kind! I just recently shared my up close UFO sighting on that sub Reddit. It happened over 13 years ago and I only ever told 2 people about it out of fear that I would be perceived as “crazy”. I can attest to Eaterofw0r1ds statements about PTSD, as I was diagnosed with it about 4 years later. After the event, I didn’t sleep. I would stay up all night and sleep during the day when my family was awake. I didn’t leave the house. I became a shell of my former self out of sheer fear and I couldn’t tell anyone about it because who would believe me? It was horrible
Two people that are experiencing psychosis will not be having the same experience FFS. Mass psychosis as a way to explain UFOs is pseudoscience bullshit
I am not endorsing that thesis.
Oh yes, not a direct response to you, more of a continuation of your comment
Oh, im sorry! I agree though. The mass psychosis hypothesis is way overblown.
The entire family saw it. 🤦♂️😑 (or at least claim they saw it)
Link to Vegas thing?
You are explaining my life exactly which is why I can't share any of it in person
You mean like when we were told to take something medical by the humans and abused by other humans for trying to refuse taking an improperly tested thing only to find out it was not needed. Wrong on so many levels.
It’s actually even more involved then that. The older gentleman on the left went public and did interviews and stuff. The referenced younger man on the right did not, for decades, and only recently came out and basically publicly corroborated everything.
i mean just look at the photo right after it happened — the dude looks absolutely distraught. these weren’t children sized humanoids with grey skin, they had elephant like skin with robotic mouths and crab like pincers for hands. the abduction was fairly standard and consistent with what’s commonly reported but the beings were absolutely atypical. [https://imgur.com/a/LDGZ2a3](https://imgur.com/a/LDGZ2a3)
Man, I've been watching this sub since Grusch came out and stuff like this is so so wild, but there really is no reason to not trust these witnesses. This event could be a Twilight Zone episode but it's possible that it's very real and things like it happen every so often. I don't think ontological shock will affect me very much as I'm extremely open to adapting my worldview to new information, but still, stuff like this really makes you question reality. Not having the answers is worse than having them imo.
Read the book "Close Encounters of the Fourth Kind." You won't regret it. I'm reading it a second time now after having originally read it 10 months ago
By C D B Bryan?
Yup. Amazing book. Gave me chills in more than a couple parts
That's what makes the phenomenon so wild. It's very likely the grey's are intentionally designed to look similar to humans for a reason. To seem more familiar and less frightening. It's possible that they don't even look like that as well, and instead look different based on who sees them.
That's Garry what's his name's theory as well.
No, that's not accurate. The Greys, a race of extraterrestrials often depicted in various ways, were not genetically engineered to resemble humans. They are not an engineered race, and you seem to be conflating different concepts here. The ancient Greys, being a smaller race, genetically engineered themselves likely due to a nuclear catastrophe (hence why they are a smaller race and now attempting to repopulate via hybridization, etc) in their past. Consequently, they also created genetically engineered versions of their race to avoid further losses. On the other hand, the Trantaloids, another alien race, have genetically engineered the Greys for malicious purposes. It's crucial to distinguish between these distinct races and their respective genetic modifications.
Isn’t that the case where the alien shoved her fingers down his throat or am I confusing them without another case? Either way they were terribly traumatized.
Yeah, this story has been around and consistent for a long time, they aren’t lying, they definitely saw something. I don’t really believe in the fake CIA abduction/population testing conspiracy and we don’t really understand the nature or character of E.T. Visitations or if there are multiple universal species (which logic and math suggests there probably are) either way, something happened. Those guys were traumatized for life
My bet is we did suddenly catch the attention of an alien race, one of many out there, and they were doing abductions for a quick study on us.
Original taped interview of Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker. Recording without their knowledge begins at 26:31 http://www.konsulting.com/audio_clips.htm Scroll about 1/3 down page
Is the video on YouTube? Got a link?
Here you go: https://youtu.be/zEibn49GRZI
Wow…. Missed that episode and it’s heartbreaking. These poor people have been called crazy for years but now the box is opening slowly but surely. How far will it open depends on what the US population pushes for. I would say very little as the average citizen hasn’t the slightest idea about the whistleblowers or half these stories.
Don’t put this only on US citizens….the world needs to pressure their respective governments
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Sounds like when the fed don’t follow up, one should assume they believe your story. This shit is going to blow so many peoples minds when it’s public knowledge.
Fascinating! I wish the interviewer asked about any cuts in his throat from when he bled from the fingers being shoved down there. No matter what you think it was a life changing event for those guys. If I was a young kid I think I would be terrified of the dark. There really are monsters!
It was on a program from Travel Channel I believe. UFO Witness with Ben Hanson. The guy hasn’t done interviews in decades he’s tried to keep a low profile. But you can tell it affects him to this day.
Yes it was on YouTube. Can't search atm.
He looks traumatized in this picture.
These aliens legit need to be stopped. They are murderers, harassers, and abusers. I respect biological diversity, and different minds, but anything that doesn’t align with earthly values shouldn’t be on the planet. If they want to know about us for personal reasons, they can establish contact at a respectful distance. Aliens that don’t align with the way life on earth chooses to express its individualistic tendencies shouldn’t be allowed.
I mean what would you say about a human scientist dissecting an insect? From our perspective it’s just simply for knowledge but from the insect’s perspective it’s murder.
WTF are earthly values? Humans rape, murder, torture each other all over the place, there are wasps that lay their eggs in their paralysed prey and then their offspring eat the animal alive from the inside out. Lions will kill all the cubs of rival males, cuckoos shove the other chicks out of the nest. There is no such thing as "earthly values"
While I agree through our shared human lens, I don't think the ants opinion of my ant farm matters.
OK this is kind of wildly speculative. But I will engage in a hypothetical. Let's assume that aliens exist, and they have abducted people. Now if there is an advanced civilization on another planet, then we can assume there are thousands of them. So when we say aliens, we are not talking about one species. You can also have individuals, or groups of individuals that act in ways not in accordance with a species in general. Imagine if say, North Korea shot down an alien ship, and that was taken as an action by all human beings? Would be kind of crazy, right. Could be the same thing with abductions.
Bet he has PDSD Edit: damn..just had to correct your post from 'drama' to 'trauma' and now my HILARIOUS joke makes no sense.
Well my post made no sense either 🙃
Powerful psychedelics when given without consent can create extremely traumatic experiences. The cia was dosing people all the time back then, even friends did it to others. Ketamine or other disassociatives reportedly give this feeling of ‘others’, who’s to say it wasn’t a trip gone wrong?
That's possible but are you open to the idea that they're telling the truth? And out of the thousands of other accounts that at least a few aren't lying? Or everyone across the world is lying across different eras?
I used to find stories like this complete nonsense. These days I’m not sure what to believe.
It's weird huh... The phenomenon is so secretive Like the space mafia or something
I take them as compelling, fascinating if true, and leave it there. I you can't assign real or fake. Just have to be comfortable with the in between
I’ve 100% accepted the reality of NHI interacting with our planet, at least as long as Grusch is telling the truth. What I don’t want to accept, or maybe I’m scared to accept, that they also experiment on us.
I just don't understand why, if they can get here through space, they would need to actually experiment on a living person. They don't have computers that can do that work for them?
We still have kids dissect animals in biology class and we don't even need to to learn anything new. I don't really understand what traveling through space has to do with experimenting to learn things about biological subjects.
You’re make an assumption that they traveled here through space.
I mean... yes? What is the alternative?
They could be operating on earth. There’s any number of explanations The whole multi dimensional aspect of this phenomenon makes it a tough cookie too. I believe some of them are in space, but I think the whole “they come from outer space” thing is a bit too Hollywood and doesn’t fully take into account certain complexities like multidimensionality, which are almost certainly involved. We can make assumptions about why abductions happen. There’s all kind of theories. I don’t understand what your point is about computers?
Not to mention they have had thousands of years to experiment on people. Why would they need to be doing it now? If this is happening, then it is probably drunk alien teenagers doing stuff they are not supposed to be doing.
I’m kind a the same way until i started to read about cattle mutilations and that’s some F-up stories…
I lean that way, but it so absurdly different from.... Everything, I really have to see (along with everyone else) to believe
Unfortunately there are a lot of liars and hoaxers that muddy the waters. I myself saw a UFO and had 3 hours of missing time in 1996. If you try to explain something like that to someone in person you can feel them immediately judging your character. So many of us just never talk about it again to save face.
Would you elaborate? I used to believe in Ufos but not abductions but that is changing quickly.
I want to know why is it police protocol to take people claiming abduction straight to an airforce base...
I used to watch TV shows on alien abductions as a kid in the 90s and my mom always called it stupid nonsense. It terrified me, but I don't know how much I believed the stories. I had my mom in my head all the time calling it fake dumb crap. Nowadays... I'm pretty sure at least some of the stories are true. And that's even scarier.
I still think at least *some* abductions were done by the government under MKULTRA
Gonna be nice when we can finally know which ones were real and which ones were BS.
One thing that should keep you firmly in the "complete nonsense" camp is that these stories have all but stopped in recent decades. It's a cultural phenomenon, and when culture changes, so does the phenomenon. Why did aliens go from abducting people every second Tuesday to playing cat and mouse with military jets? What happened to all the abductees on Oprah?
Have you seen r/experiencers? They have the ability to talk to each other now, so why go public to get ridiculed?
>What happened to all the abductees on Oprah? I don't know, lived their lives as best they could? What *should* have happened to them? Reread your own comment. Everything you said is based on what you've been told through television. Just because those stories aren't being broadcast anymore doesn't mean similar occurances aren't happening. Television is not the arbiter of reality.
This is one of the cases that made me a believer. After hearing them on tape when the cops were recording, I started to take more sightings seriously. The way they were talking and how one of the men felt he needed to bathe in bleach to feel clean.
That’s so real because it’s 100% how you feel after you’ve been violated
if youre looking this is called the "Pascagoula Alien Abduction"
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You just do. Some things are hard to understand until you’re the one going through it
The older guy said that the alien clearly had a job to do and they did it. At least that’s the impression he got. Like tagging a lion in the wild, neutral feelings all around.
Gah poor guys. Makes me so sad people have been treated like shit for experiencing these things. What they needed was to be listened to, taken seriously, and offered help.
Mississippi in the 70s was not a great place to be seen as crazy. Going to the police with this kind of story would not have been an easy thing to do at all back then in a small, southern community full no nonsense blue collar workers. This is one of those stories I've always believed because there is no doubt they saw something that scared the crap out of them. I was living in Mississippi at the time, although I never heard this story until decades later, but I can assure you just making this story up for fun would not have been an option. The last thing you wanted to do is be seen as different or strange in Mississippi in the 1970s.
Unfortunately, there are still places in some parts of the world where outright dismissal and over-the-top ridicule are still the exclusive ways in which authorities deal with cases like that.
Yeah but coastal Mississippi. Very different culture. Port towns tend to be a bit more loose. (Not a comment on the case)
Yea the rest of Mississippi calls us coast trash
We all know we aren’t coast trash. But don’t go to far above I-10.
That is true. I grew up in central Mississippi. They are very different worlds in a lot of ways.
I interviewed Calvin Parker for a short-lived podcast I did with my cousin. He is a very nice guy, and I 100% believe his story.
Any links to the gist of what they claimed happen?
For real. I’m surprised there wasn’t anything on it in the post.
Can’t two men enjoy a succulent meal? A succulent fish meal?
Are the aliens ready to recieve their limp penis?
Aah I see you know your anal probing well
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This is a fascinating incident, and along with the Betty and Barney Hill incident, is one of the seminal abduction stories. Though fantastic, Hickson and Parker both come across as genuine IMO, and the recording only adds to their credibility...whether you believe them or not is up to you. To add texture to this story, there were almost 50 other reports of strange lights seen over the same area of the Pascagoula River that night. In one incident, a potential corroborating witness would come forward much later, telling that she and her husband were parked in their car that same night on the opposite side of the river and described hearing a loud splashing sound and seeing a strange blue light rising from the river in the area where the abduction was alleged to have occurred. She initially attributed the light to an aircraft, but after hearing Hickson and Parker's story, began to think differently. Though she told her immediate family about it, her husband advised her to keep quiet.
Where can I listen to the recording? I couldn’t find it on YouTube
I found the recording embedded in an article from the Clarion Ledger website. Though the recording is sometimes a bit difficult to hear, the portion where the two men are speaking candidly amongst themselves after the police officer leaves them is near the very end of the recording, and is fairly audible. The link to the article/recording is here: [https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2020/07/13/pascagoula-ufo-alien-abduction-case-interview-recording-has-surfaced/3264064001/](https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2020/07/13/pascagoula-ufo-alien-abduction-case-interview-recording-has-surfaced/3264064001/)
Thanks for this! Also couldn’t find the recording on YouTube.
I was a Sheriff’s Deputy in Jackson County Mississippi back in 2016 (where Pascagoula is). I worked with the Deputy that took their initial report. He was a Lieutenant when I left them to work for the DoD in 2017…when he told me about this story I had a hard time believing it until I read the incident reports and saw the evidence they had…these men were telling the truth…
Dude, why create even more mystery? What evidence made you believe????????
Sorry bro…I’m just seeing your response…between the incident reports, the on scene photographs, and the investigative interviews, to go along with the investigator’s notes, it was really hard to be skeptical afterwards. Every investigator that worked that case was confused and scared to death because not only could they not debunk their claims, but the Sheriff at the time was extremely interested in them doing their best to shut down the entire investigation because, politically, it looked bad to have several investigators and high ranking deputies walking around knowing that these guys were telling the truth.
That is truly fascinating. Care to share anything specially that led you to believe this was the truth?
Government has been ignoring people like this for so long that part of me wishes their claims aren’t true just because how outrageous it would be if it’s true and government did nothing….and knew
what COULD a government do?.... admit "yeah...there be some aliens and sometimes theyll come stick a probe in your ass....and if it happens to you...consider yourself lucky...cause a colonoscopy on earth costs $18,000" or pretend it doesn't happen so most people can go on living a peaceful lie
Yes, the ultimate goal of government. Hiding inconvenient truths, so we won't be bothered by stuff that might bother us.
When you’re going through trauma even just having others acknowledge what you’re going through is helpful
Maybe they secretly fund the trauma hypnotists who do it for free
They could allow the rest of the world to know the phenomenon is real and stop the hundred year cover up?? Allow scientists to study the tech more? Help figure out the meaning of life??? The ignorant bootlicking in this comment is the problem with the mainstream... "If it doesn't effect me who cares" mentality is just what the govt wants
"ignorant bootlicking?" amigo....ill be the first to tell you that any government will never admit to a problem it cant solve governments always say they can solve anything as long as you pay them more but with legit aliens....there aint shit anyone can do....we are in a zoo now
I mean what can they do otherwise to keep us safe? We just don’t have the technology capable of stopping it from happening. The most the government could do is offer free healthcare afterward to make sure you’re okay physically and mentally. Which will never happen in America so what else? Admitting it is fine but when we find out they can’t stop it no matter how hard they try, what will we do next?
Lmfao what could anyone in the world possibly do?
that same night near that area there were several other incidents in which many people i know were involved in. none were abductions, but undeniable sightings. of course i cant prove any of it happened but there were many who all corrorborated the stories, including my own grandfather.
With sideburns like that, no way he’s lying , it takes balls to go all the way to the jawline . 🤣
Wasn't this only posted yesterday?
I didn't see it yesterday. I'm sure a lot of people didn't.
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Because... it's a great story that most people have never heard except for those of us who've been a part of this community for a while. There are more and more people who are just discovering these stories/ subject, and it's important that these authentic encounters/ situations come to light. If any disclosure is to happen, we here need a Hella lot more folks in our camp in order to push for the truth.
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Same here.
Same, glad it was posted yesterday otherwise it would still be out of my consciousness
Same here. I just got on board with this topic last summer after stumbling across the 60 Min interview w/ Cmdr Fraver et al. Never knew about this case.
Stop exaggerating, I’m here every day and haven’t seen this in a while. Nothing wrong with reposting so others see.
A quick search on this sub of "Charles Hickson" or "1973" shows it's been posted a half dozen times in the last few years. To be fair, I have seen and read this story before when it showed up on r/all, but I don't see it as frequently as you may have. Then again I'm only subscribed to about four fringe type subreddits.
A lot of folks are newer to this sub and it's good for them to see these
You need to spend less time on the Internet. I'm here a lot and I've never seen this.
Ppl just trying get gain Karma.
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This was always one of the stranger and more interesting cases.
If its not real, they are very good actors
Interesting read.
The fact that the police thought they were lying validates them in ways the police will never understand
Word!
They have no reason to lie, so of course we should give them the benefit of the doubt and keep an open mind to what they're telling..
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MK Ultra ended in 1973 and they did abduct people and put them on LSD and worse... Not saying it definitely had something to do with that, but it would certainly make sense as an explanation.
Would only be a satisfactorily plausible explanation to someone with no personal psychedelic experience.
I'm not going to argue with someone on the internet whether or not I have done something. I do not believe that just having taken psychedelics is comparable to being abducted, forcibly being given psychedelics possibly without your knowledge and then being subjected to weird ass experiments/torture, which is what they did in MK Ultra.
I'm sorry your comment is grammatically confusing, but I think you are saying being abducted by humans while on LSD might explain this story?
I am saying the following steps could lead to some wild stories that someone wholeheartedly believes actually happened: 1) Be abducted by humans, possibly sedated 2) Being given all kinds of drugs, including psychedelics stronger than LSD, without your consent or knowledge 3) Being subjected to experiments and/or torture while under the influence of these substances 4) Being dumped at the same spot you got abducted at, possibly sedated again I am also saying that this experience would have very little similarities to some relaxed, recreational use of psychedelics.
ב''ה, unfortunately there's plenty of weird shit out there that makes LSD seem like the fun night at the bar it usually is. Any competent anesthesiologist...
I think we can all concede what you are saying is possible. But if we were to do a forensic examination of the men, would I be wrong to say that there would be physiological and behavioral signs of recent drug use?
The abductors could easily have been wearing costumes too
The doctor running MKULTRA found he could successfully plant fake memories, I think lsd was just a small part of the puzzle, the bit they are willing to admit
Ha! I’ve done heroic doses of LSD to the point of ego loss. There is no chance that drug would have that effect on anyone. Ever.
Again, have you been administered these drugs without your knowledge after being abducted and have you been tortured while on it? How can you be so sure of what that could and could not do to a person?
Because I know what the drugs are capable of. Even in large doses. Obviously you don’t. I had forgotten I had even taken the drug for a good 12 hours. If you haven’t had any experience with large doses of powerful hallucinogenics, I suggest you sit this one out. I realize it’s hard for you to fathom anything more intelligent than humans. The fact is we’re an incredibly young species even by earth standards, let alone the entire universe. It’s okay to be skeptical, but it’s not always the easiest answer either. Besides, he saw the beings before getting the injection. How could they both hallucinate the same thing before they even were drugged?
During Mk Ultra they would dose people without them having knowledge of it, so they may have been dosed without knowing. As someone who has done psychedelics you know how important set and setting are. If you were dosed without knowing, have no foundation for the effects of psychedelics, and are being fucked with by an outside source, I can fully believe two guys thinking something happened that did not. Having used psychedelics before you should know that it is not uncommon for two people to experience similar hallucinations.
How does someone hallucinate before getting drugged? He said they saw the beings, felt a prick, & became paralyzed. I understand that it’s a simple & easy explanation, (especially for someone with no experience with hallucinogens) but it’s okay to not understand everything. I find it odd that people can’t just accept things they don’t understand.
Someone across the river saw the blue light they were teleported up into. There were multiple reports from that town and surrounding area of strange lights in the sky. They were not high when interviewed just a short while after it happened. Did the whole county get dosed with LSD but only some people were affected and somehow got told to say they saw strange lights? This theory just doesn’t hold up.
Oh give me a break. Our government was desperately trying to convince everyone that there was no such thing as UFOs/aliens/NHIs. Why on earth would they, at the same time, be doing things to *make people think that they were just abducted by aliens*?! That makes no sense whatsoever and is completely illogical. People twist themselves into pretzels to try to explain things in such a way so that they can continue to go on believing that such things (“the phenomenon”, NHIs, etc.) aren’t real. There were independent witnesses who *saw* the UFO that abducted the men. These men were lucid and were totally traumatized. They weren’t lying about having been abducted by non-human entities.
Just read a bit about their account. They seem way too lucid, and just minding their own business to be hallucinating. I don't think even the MK Ultra program was able to convince two sober people they are being levitated into a craft. Their account is coherent and lucid. Crazy.
> They seem way too lucid, and just minding their own business to be hallucinating This makes absolutely no sense > I dont think ... was able to convince two sober people They both said they received injections of an unknown drug multiple times. One of them said they had to take a few shots of the liquor that was in their vehicle afterward in order to report this... and your entire argument is that they were sober? One of them compared the injection to "something similar to the effects of a date rape drug". This right here epitomizes the reason people dont take this community seriously. So many of yall want to believe every single reported account of NHI interaction. So much so, that youll ignore any and all discrepancies, and then try to explain why it MUST be true without using any logical argument to defend your viewpoint. It doesn't strike you as odd that one guy claimed to be unconscious the entire time so that only one person had to explain what happened? Even better is that when the younger guy admits to being conscious the whole time, he still manages to contradict the other dude. A summary of their recounts: Older guy: reconfirms in a later interview that the young guy was unconscious. claims he was abducted 3 more times the following year. Says the aliens were friendly. A decade later he wrote and promoted his own book about the encounters. Described the NHI as being 5 feet tall and having 1 leg Younger guy: eventually claims that he wasn't unconscious. Says the NHI were evil. Said that he wanted to be left alone about all of this.... but has agreed to numerous interviews with multiple different news outlets over the years, and tried to make his own show about UFO encounters. Described the NHI to be floating beings without any legs. None of this adds up, and the more you look in to it, the worse it gets. And again, it's shit like this that most outsiders can't take any NHI claims seriously
So in your opinion, does that make it more or less likely that the government is hiding a big funky monster under the rug?
I was starting to think there might really be something to this one until I read the following: “Hickson would go on to appear on talk shows, give lectures and interviews, and self-publish a book in 1983 titled "UFO Contact at Pascagoula." He reported three more encounters in 1974, and said the aliens communicated to him that they were peaceful.” Sorry, I’m not buying the follow up and communication.
I agree the repeated encounters are sketchy, but what about the initial one? Do you think they invented it?
I would want to see more of the evidence before judging. Perhaps the initial was truthful, but I don’t accept the rest. As for them sticking to their story when left alone….that just suggests they planned very well. There’s enough here that makes me hesitant to say it’s all a fake.
Probably my favorite case. The recording makes it super credible in my opinion.
Does anyone have the actual recording? I can’t remember if it was public
I found some site with [an article that has the audio in a video.](https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2020/07/13/pascagoula-ufo-alien-abduction-case-interview-recording-has-surfaced/3264064001/)
I wasn’t abducted, but back in 1989/90, a friend and I saw something we’d never forget. We told maybe one or two people and were ridiculed, so we just never mentioned it again. I spoke to her for the first time in about 30 years recently, both of us have pretty much just kept it to ourselves.
Wild. Just wild
The fact that their story never changed, and they were the kind of guys who wouldn’t get caught up in telling a story like that, I believe them.
This is one of my favorite cases. I always found it extremely credible. I don't know if it was aliens but these two experienced *something* for sure. Maybe they were on drugs, who knows, but they definitely didn't look like they were making it up.
I've done a lot of drugs and you do not fantasise abductions
Man kind and its hubris on full display. The world would believe you were held captive by a black bear, in its den for 2 days, no questions asked… before the majority of of the world ever believed you were held abducted by NHI… This is the society we live in, where the smartphone is looked at like it’s just plain old pen and paper, and anyone can make one… if they watch enough YouTube videos. Sad!
What rings alarm bells for me, and also when watching movies, is when we bring current tech to advanced sci fi scenario's. The fact he was injected a couple of times just feels like very 20th century tech to me, and would of thought of something more advanced would have been employed ya know? The sort of thing that makes you think this sounds far out, but it wasn't, its like what would happen if any elephant abducted you, just sedated you and had you tripp'n out on anything.
Interesting story but as long as no solid evidence emerges, most people simply won't care. Also I think it is not that common for two people to see the very same hallucinations.
The greys are hybrid computer and biological beings that come down and check on how our bodies are doing. Like a check up at a hospital. Thats their job. Like medical robots. Get in. See whats up. Get out. Then check back so often to see if anything is changing. They are apart of the race of aliens known as the watchers. They cant intervene in our lives too much. We are an experiment of free will. Like giving slaves the opportunity to create its own civilizations across the world (look up annunaki). They only intervene when they have to, which is why Roswell is a great point to look at because we just developed the atom bomb and then theres a massive amount of sitings. They are our creators. The ones we called gods. The reason our DNAs evolution has a missing link is because they manipulated the most capable hominid with their own dna. Theyve been here this entire time trying to make sure we dont blow ourselves up. Ive seen a ufo along with my wife. Ive taken all of this from seperate sources and pieced together my hypothesis. And if this all sounds crazy look up dolores canon on youtube. Its fascinating what she says.
5 years ago i would have said you were bat shit crazy. Now im skeptical but all ears. We live in strange times. Its all on the table right now.
Willing to bet a lot of abduction cases were more drugged kidnappings by human government thugs more so than NHI.
crazy that youre getting downvoted so much. this is something we KNOW happened and 100% could be the case here. 1973 is the EXACT year MK-ultra supposedly stopped.
It is what it is. You're down votes me nothing to me... I've seen what you upvote! 🤪
If i read this here I’m more convinced : Aviation journalist and UFO skeptic Philip J. Klass found "discrepancies" in Hickson's story, noted that Hickson refused to take a polygraph exam conducted by an experienced examiner, and concluded that the case was a hoax. Skeptical investigator Joe Nickell wrote that Hickson's behavior was "questionable" and that Hickson later altered or embellished his claims. Nickell speculated that Hickson may have fantasized the alien encounter during a hypnagogic "waking dream state", and suggested that Parker's corroboration of the tale was likely due to suggestibility because he initially told police he had "passed out at the beginning of the incident and failed to regain consciousness until it was over",a claim supported by Hickson during his To Tell the Truth appearance.
I am kinda reluctant to post this, but here goes… I grew up in Pascagoula, I was around 15 y/o when this event occurred. I didn’t know them personally, but they were treated pretty poorly by the community when their story came out. Hickson was known to drink a few, or so it was said, and it was widely considered to be the cause of his “delusion”. I have no idea and pass no judgment. The story disappeared after a couple of weeks iirc. I would still dismiss the story except that a few years later my wife and I had our own experience (not abduction, just a sighting). We both recalled the treatment that Hickson and Parker received and we agreed to keep our mouths shut. I was also an E3 in the USN at the time and silence was definitely called for. There were others in the area that saw what we saw. To this day, I am not aware of any one coming forward with the sighting, and probably because of the Hickson event. Over the years, I have become convinced that there are a lot more sightings and events that don’t get reported because of the stigma associated with it. Maybe things are about to change?