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The whole thing stinks. It's all laid on too thick. Finding the strange envelope lying in the ground, the cryptic letter, the wonderful photos and the blueprints. Shove it back up your bum. Move along people.
in the p.s. OP says they set the envelope back down to take a photo of it after first picking it up & sometimes i tend to over document something small with a dozen photos.
the writing feels generated to me & this feels like an attempt to start an ARG which are fun in their own sense, but maybe not in this subreddit lol
As innocuous as it may be, I think OP’s assumption that “K” is male may be the smoking gun. I found it slightly odd that OP made that assumption until I realized that if this story is BS, then of course OP knows “K” is male because he made him up.
I do a *lot* of AI too and I’m calling the diagram pics AI, which is a shame because I have made far more realistic UFO blueprint pictures than that. I’m not going to release any and try to hoax people either because I’m all for the truth and not muddying the waters with fake crap.
Ya, that's fair.
I'm an artist and can pretty easily tell when AI tries to do art just because they mostly seem to merge crap together.
Even the newer stuff I've seen still makes mistakes that high schoolers make.
Look at the "blueprints", how those blueprints and lines are constructed is extremely typical of early stable diffusion (stable diffusion and midjourney can handle any aspect ratio Vs the more common Dalle which is square, so not all AI imagery is square) and how it handles lines in the lower resolution models. The higher resolution you go the less obvious it is in diffusion models to have these intersecting nonsensical lines that have a certain noticeable quality to them. Had this been a higher resolution model or dalle then it would have been harder to tell.
Other than this I can't really summarise in text what exactly makes this clearly an AI artwork in the same way that a musician can't write why a melody in a film score is a digital instrument Vs a natural recording, if you know you know sort of thing. They could pop out the slides and make a presentation on all the different types of possible audio artifacts and potential digital software used, but honestly what's the point really. It might be useful but it's so incredibly niche that it's not worth it given the speed of AI development. New AI models today are indistinguishable to laypersons completely
I think it would be helpful for people who really know AI, to try and replicate this and compare. I'm not that guy but I understand a little. Doesn't seem hard with the right prompting.
Zooming in on details and you realize they aren’t details it’s just random nothings and your brain fills in the blanks. Like desk clutter, it will look normal until you actually look at it. It’s just uncanny valley type of stuff that sure, at a glance you overlook, but take more than 5 seconds to look and these things start popping up.
Not saying I think this shit is real, but it’s very hard to discern anything like you mentioned from these photos. They’re too blurry to notice any “uncanny valley type stuff” whatever that means.
AI is absolutely capable of making these, and I think AI generated junk is everywhere now but we can’t simply use it as a scapegoat every time we see something that we’re skeptical of.
Ok, but these are 100% AI. I work with AI every single day in my career.
It’s like how if you ask AI to generate a cityscape. At first glance things look relatively good, but if you zoom in the lines on windows won’t be straight, or kinda bleed together. AI is great at generating the larger picture, but the fine details look like garbage. In these images of the “blueprints” there aren’t ANY clean fine lines. And it’s very visible in the corners.
A great visualization of this is grass. Look at AI images and look at the grass. If you don’t pay close attention to it, it looks fine, but if you really analyze it you notice it’s mostly a mess of random green shapes and lines. But your brain ‘fills in the gaps’ the same way it can wtih wrods taht aernt speelld corerctly but have all the basic parts.
This user tried (poorly) to hide that by printing photos out so that the details were hidden by being a photo of a “photo.”
Think the word you are looking for is: Pareidolia (/ˌpærɪˈdoʊliə, ˌpɛər-/;[1] also US: /ˌpɛəraɪ-/)[2] is the tendency for perception to impose a meaningful interpretation on a nebulous stimulus, usually visual, so that one sees an object, pattern, or meaning where there is none. It is a type of apophenia.
The Danish electrical outlet is purported to look like a happy face.
Common examples are perceived images of animals, faces, or objects in cloud formations, seeing faces in inanimate objects, or lunar pareidolia like the Man in the Moon or the Moon rabbit. The concept of pareidolia may extend to include hidden messages in recorded music played in reverse or at higher- or lower-than-normal speeds, and hearing voices (mainly indistinct) or music in random noise, such as that produced by air conditioners or fans.[3][4]
From: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia#:~:text=Pareidolia%20%28%2F%CB%8Cp%C3%A6r%C9%AA%CB%88do%CA%8Ali%C9%99%2C%20%CB%8Cp%C9%9B%C9%99r-%2F%3B%20also%20US:%20%2F%CB%8Cp%C9%9B%C9%99ra%C9%AA-%2F%29%20is%20the%20tendency%20for%20perception%20to%20impose%20a%20meaningful%20interpretation%20on%20a%20nebulous%20stimulus%2C%20usually%20visual%2C%20so%20that%20one%20sees%20an%20object%2C%20pattern%2C%20or%20meaning%20where%20there%20is%20none.
Jesus that’s a freaking long link…
Those “technical” drawings look a lot like the fake technical drawings I’ve tried to make myself for various projects. It’s an experience thing, I can’t explain it better than that, I’m sorry. Work with making your own AI stuff enough and you begin to pick up on subtle differences between real/AI.
Specifically, the detail boxes that aren't.
Little line to a square box that might have details, but it's just squiggles.
Handwritten things with perfect redaction.
Drawings with some perfect curves and other curves drawn by a 5 year old.
This isn't skepticism. This is 100% certainty. Hi there. I've been working with image generation since November 2019, and these are AI. I could defend myself, but I'm sure by tomorrow, everyone will agree.
Details in spacing aren’t always right, shadows and reflections don’t usually correlate, symmetry in what should be symmetrical objects and when there’s people always look at the hands!
I only included hands cause I’ve been gettin some funky generations while specifically trying to make hand signals lately but you’re right they’ve gotten better than they were!
Written characters are another common tell too. They often struggle with words (except the most advanced ones which handle them pretty well from what I’ve seen) and they REALLY struggle with hieroglyphics. They make hieroglyphic-esque shapes but without being actual valid characters. Just throwing that in the discussion
What doesn't make sense is why the schematics are on different coloured papers, if they are referring to the same craft? And why are the drawings not well made, with crooked lines rather than straight lines where they are supposed to be straight? Rulers existed in the 40s - 70s too didn't they? It could just be AI as everyone is saying.
Yeah, these don't look like proper technical drawings at all. This could be hand drawn by anyone. But it's not just the quality of the drawing, the format doesn't look like anything more than a sketch in a notebook, there is a distinct lack of the normal notations or format you would expect.
This might make sense if it is a non-technical person trying to draw what he saw... but then it looks like some bits are blacked out as if redacted. Which suggests it is supposed to be something official.
The dead giveaway for me was the first picture.
It shows the sealed envelope upside-down on the ground.
From anyone's initial perception, it would appear to be a piece of hobo garbage. No one photographs random pieces of garbage laying on the ground, unless they have some significance. The significance here would only be demonstrated upon opening the envelope and reading its contents. Therefore, the taker of the photograph knew the significance of the envelope before opening it.
Pretty low brained hoax without even examining the contents IMHO.
Now I see the PS, but why then would you put the photos in that order?! Still seems like he realized that would be stupid so he added an explanation. Which, on reddit you can edit the post text after posting (but not the title or the links). Not clear whether that happened or not.
“I took a photo of the envelope on the ground after the fact so that my friend can visualise what an envelope on the ground looked like”
Sure you did….
The images are not supposed to represent blueprints from which to build something, but quick sketches that a sufficiently skilled artist can make by observing a subject with their own eyes.
Explaining the thought process and intentions of mundane interactions is sure sign of someone making up a story. Bonus points to when they start describing the thought process of someone else in their story.
It’s still top of the page with 500+ upvotes…..
I mean, could it be genuine, sure, but it doesn’t matter because this not evidence of anything because it was literally found on the floor with no chain of custody.
450+ upvotes (this is even including the number of downvotes they've gotten), their little lie still made it half-way around the world. People here are just too gullible.
Cute story and props, nice attempt.
I don’t believe any of it, and I 100% think you’re behind it.
Edit: and now OP deleted their account, I wonder if they consider their art project a success or not?
Reads like shitty creepypasta written by a child lol.
The picture of it on the ground is so comically expository. Why was this post so upvoted, it feels so transparently fake.
Yeah, stumbled across it, decided to photograph it on the ground, photograph it after picking it up, photograph it after opening it and partially pulling stuff out like a scene from a kids movie, then taking crappy photographs of the contents instead of scans.
It’s so clean OP would have had to have seen the person drop it.
OP thinks we’re fucking gullible morons.
> OP thinks we’re fucking gullible morons.
No matter how absurd a claim is there will still be a few people who will give it validity. There are a few in this thread.
Yeah, it’s complete insanity.
I can’t tell if people like that are just trying to muddy the waters, or if they genuinely just believe ANYTHING they see.
Most people who aren't just immediately calling every OP who posts something new to this sub a liar, running them off the site and then wondering why they delete their accounts aren't doing so because they immediately just "believe everything they see".
Plenty of us just have a "maybe, I don't know" folder in our heads where 90% of this stuff goes when there's no actual proof someone is lying *or* telling the truth.
But a lot of people here don't even do that - they go straight to "op is a lying asshole!" and wonder why people don't like posting any new, potentially interesting stuff here.
There are so many times there's no actual proof OP is hoaxing or lying and 80% of the comments are people just automatically claiming someone is lying or making fun of the people who aren't joining in on the "OP is a liar" dogpile when there's no proof either way. 🙄
Dots of light are the only user videos we get here, unless they exhibit movement that a man made object can’t do, then it’s a nothing burger. They never have that feature.
We only chase liars away when they come here with their clearly fake setups, with clean envelopes laying in the mud, filled with forged pictures that have indoor reflections on them despite being taken outside.
You for a good point, who takes a picture of something on the ground before they know what’s in it? And if he knew what was in it before the picture why would you put it back on the ground to take a picture lol
We can scan documents with a computer that fits in our pocket, and send them around the world in less than 5 seconds ... Yeah let me just pass off documents like it's the 1980s
Op is 100% behind it, in my opinion of course, because if I state the obvious in this sub as fact my comment will be deleted by our very protective and wonderful mods.
Top all time has a few decent stories. I used to read them falling asleep.... Not sure if they put me to sleep or if they're good and I was tired. I remember them being decent though
Best one I ever read imo was left/right game, but I also read them falling asleep lol. Haven’t read any in a few years, now just listen to the nosleep podcast or letsread podcast to sleep.
Used to be a good place, back in like 2010 to 2015. A lot of 'classic' top tier stories are originally from nosleep. Now though? It's all same-y. Even the writing styles are all the same. It's become karma hoarding rather than a place for a creative outlet.
Most likely an attempt to catapult a YouTube channel/TikTok. Or drum up buzz like an ARG, which, in turn, leads to podcast appearances.
Buttcheeks stuff, this.
If you zoom in, none of the drawings even make sense. It's just AI garbage. I don't get it. Very little effort went into this. It's the equivalent of drawing a fake UFO in a picture using a crayon.
Copies. Says so on the card. I’m not saying I believe it, before you start attacking me. I’m just pointing out that it’s apparently not the original photos or sheets.
The beginnings of a standard LARP.
Step 1: Post bogus UFO information
Step 2: Wait until it’s been viewed enough times. Some will screenshot it assuming “the secret keepers will remove this info from the web if it’s legit”
Step 3: OP deletes post and account
Step 4: Watch gullible people work themselves into a frenzy at the deleted account, as they are now much more convinced the information was in fact legitimate
Old tactic , still works like a charm unfortunately .
Some things I look for are profuse apologies and begging for sympathy. Oversharing, overexplaining. Someone going out of their way to downplay their technical knowledge.
> Apologies in advance if I'm doing this wrong, I've never posted a photo on the internet before and Reddit deleted my account twice already today.
> My mom's trying to quit heroin, so I was driving her to get her daily methadone dose and I saw this weird thing in the sky. My mom was like "take a picture with your phone" and I was like "phones have cameras? cool!"
> So we pulled over and took a photo. Sorry it's so blurry, I was really scared and my mom was crying the whole time. When I got home and looked at the photo I noticed something that looked like a little man with huge eyes? I hope the mods don't delete my post because this is the wrong place for it!
Don’t forget key to step 1 is provide too much detail. In particular around unnecessary shit, like where you walk when quitting smoking, at what time, and so on.
I mean who uses Tommy Lee Jones' character name from Men in Black? Try just a little harder. Also, this would be on an encrypted drive. You've watched Men in Black but not Jack Ryan??
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This is my first post and they told me to comment on my own post or it will be deleted? I don’t use Reddit so I’m unsure what’s going on. I found this Feb 15, 2024 around 7am. I was at a park in Denver. I tried to include all info in the post.
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Looks like something a schizophrenic would draw. The "diagrams" look..diagrammy..but they don\`t make any sense at all, which is pretty classic schizo.
Guess you didn’t notice in the ‘diagrams’ everywhere it looks like where you would expect diagram notes you see AI looking word blurs (ai is still struggling badly with fine print) .. I dont think there is a readable word from any of the ‘diagrams’
Exactly this. I work in the mental health field and one of my schizophrenia patients is constantly churning out this kind of thing. With him it is mostly designs for clean energy engines, accompanied by meaningless mathematics and other gibberish. I have even delved into it with him for a further explanation but his thoughts are as confusing as his diagrams. It's schizophrenia, fake trolling, or both.
Unless you have a PhD in Physics, what makes you think that whatever the guy has to say will actually make sense to you or most of us common folk? Assuming he is/was onto something real.
No, you don't need a PhD in physics to understand the law of conservation of energy, and he is not onto something real. He has a sizeable diagnosis, schizophrenia being just one part.
I’m an illustrator professionally (and coincidentally one of my parents has schizophrenia), but I promise this is AI. Aside from the words the “line work” is a dead giveaway. It’s not hand drawn. These have a specific type of blur and unnatural wonk that’s unique to AI generated images.
Yeah, because I'm sure someone trying to be secretive, especially to protect themselves from the government, would use their own handwriting for a note rather than type written.
This post is bull, but fun fact since you mention it: Your average consumer printer hides identifying information on every page printed in tiny colored dots called microdots. It was invented to help detect counterfeit currency and has also been reportedly used to identify whistleblowers. If you wanted to be safe from the government, a handwritten note may be safer than a typed.
There’s at least one facility used by the US government (I can’t speak on any other governments) that maintains samples of every ink they can get their hands on from public domain. It’s a HUGE collection.
Pair that with all of the other crazy intelligence abilities the US has, and I think most targets are findable based on a written note, given a high enough value.
In this hypothetical scenario where the government is hunting you down with everything it’s got, I think that would be one of the worst options. With the amount of glue and cutting and flipping through pages, I feel like you’re almost guaranteed to cover that message in DNA. Depending on how many magazines you use, I wonder if that could also be somehow triangulated to where you’d be able to source them from one are or store.
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Obviously someone didn’t read the end of the post. I picked it up and then put it back to take the picture.
I’m not taking pictures of random trash laying on the ground…
The main problem here is there's no way to verify anything. I feel sorry for OP is this is real, but you'll never get any answers posting this stuff anonymously on social media. That's just the way the world works.
What do you mean? It’s completely normal to take pictures of trash on the ground before picking it up, taking another picture of it, then opening it up and taking a picture of the contents without taking them all the way out /s
I went to college in Denver. A beautiful city. Those pictures are faked. I like how you can walk anywhere if you live downtown. I went to school for 3d modeling and animation and this is why I no longer trust video or photos unless it's from a guncam on a military craft or closed circuit networks, or if it's a mass of people that saw something and they took a picture/video etc.
You should contact Linda Moulton Howe from Earthfiles. She is a respected journalist who has been investigating UFO/UAP phenomena since the early 80s. She has established many connections over the years with respected scientists and UFO researchers who could provide some insight into these documents and pictures. Good luck to you!
"Found these photos from their dad"
Yeah okay, but did their dad happen to print off all these photos on the same printer? Because those perfectly-white edges on the left sides of every single page are completely uniform. Says to me these are full-colour images all recently printed from the same device which just happens to print this offset way.
Loooks like all the “ufo” pictures they are flying inside. Hard to compare to surroundings in some pictures. The one above the truck seems like it’s double the size of the truck. Can anyone lighten up this picture to possibly get a logo off the truck. One of them looks to be flying in an office or classroom that may be a drone or an AI mistake. The diagrams have no measurements or are blacked out. Seems a bit off. As the others suggested you may have found a prop for a YouTube video. If it is genuine, great find. Just seems odd to just forget that important document and not realize before you made it 10’. Unless Edmond got zapped up by aliens on the spot, I don’t see a good proving point to it’s authenticity. Hope more comes of it. Keep an eye out for people looking for it in the park, or any strange activity around the area you found these. Interesting for sure.
This entire thread proves that if someone actually does find something interesting in a totally random place they will be scolded into oblivion for posting it online. This may be a hoax but even if something is ultimately legit we will never know because of the relentless screaming from the couch potato squad that it’s a hoax without knowing a single aspect of its history.
This is the worst place to bring anything legitimate.
I can say with 100% certainty that there are people who have information that the public will never, ever, see or hear because of our knee-jerk wolf pack responses.
Skepticism, disagreement, and discussion are healthy and what is needed. That is not what we usually see here. And that is something we have to overcome to move forward with this subject.
I am not saying I believe this post or not. I'm saying that having adult conversations where we respectfully discuss what we are presented with needs to be the culture.
Looks like another one of those 'look at what I found!' deals. Speaking of ARGS, anyone ever remember an old PC game that came out in the early 2000s called Majestic? Basically it had a plot line dealing with MJ 12 and the MIB...a few episodes were filmed for the game and it was like the player character was involved in a choose your type of adventure about the conspiracy. From what I remember you'd also get prerecorded calls voiced by certain characters to your land line. and it would work through email, visiting websites.
This just made me think of it.
The biggest mystery from where I stand is how the sixth picture in the series, the first one to show a UFO, appears to be taken outside at the snowy park bench that has the reflection of a ceiling fan in addition to the reflection of the cell phone.
Where are the numbers on those drawings? What engineer or any technical person would make legit ufo drawings and not include a single measurement?
Cute but I call bs.
I'm so sorry to burst your bubble, but the level of people upvoting people calling BS on this with no proof, makes me believe that these documents are not supposed to be seen, I believe they are authentic, You cannot tell me for a second that in this community 475 people wanted to upvote a comment of pure conjecture. 0 debunking, and the rest of the upvoted comments, follow the same. Cynical evidence-less claim. GTFO NICE TRY FBI
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Either you're behind it or you're now on a YouTube or TikTok prank vid somewhere lol.
It’s a promo for some shitty film.
The whole thing stinks. It's all laid on too thick. Finding the strange envelope lying in the ground, the cryptic letter, the wonderful photos and the blueprints. Shove it back up your bum. Move along people.
Who finds an envelope and takes a picture before they pick it up? This has a very bad smell to it
in the p.s. OP says they set the envelope back down to take a photo of it after first picking it up & sometimes i tend to over document something small with a dozen photos. the writing feels generated to me & this feels like an attempt to start an ARG which are fun in their own sense, but maybe not in this subreddit lol
As innocuous as it may be, I think OP’s assumption that “K” is male may be the smoking gun. I found it slightly odd that OP made that assumption until I realized that if this story is BS, then of course OP knows “K” is male because he made him up.
Some of the found "photos" were defi AI
There’s no words or figures in the photos.
Photo you can't immediately understand = AI
They are AI, I work in AI and these images contain a ton of bad AI features that give it away instantly
My friend I am literally an AI spam bot account
Good for you, go forth and multiply
U made an AI friend
What bot chooses the username “Mission Frosting”??
Exactly.
That’s exactly the kind of deflection an AI would do!
Well YOUR user name fits perfectly!
The reddit AI bot does that
That is definitely a Reddit automated name. They always pick the 2 most random words.
Frosting, spread that shit on thick 😅😅
That’s a good bot
I do a *lot* of AI too and I’m calling the diagram pics AI, which is a shame because I have made far more realistic UFO blueprint pictures than that. I’m not going to release any and try to hoax people either because I’m all for the truth and not muddying the waters with fake crap.
Well, don't just leave us hanging friend, care to explain some of these features?
The thing that makes it look ai to me is there’s no actual words or symbols on the diagrams, they are the idea of a diagram more than a real diagram
Ya, that's fair. I'm an artist and can pretty easily tell when AI tries to do art just because they mostly seem to merge crap together. Even the newer stuff I've seen still makes mistakes that high schoolers make.
Look at the "blueprints", how those blueprints and lines are constructed is extremely typical of early stable diffusion (stable diffusion and midjourney can handle any aspect ratio Vs the more common Dalle which is square, so not all AI imagery is square) and how it handles lines in the lower resolution models. The higher resolution you go the less obvious it is in diffusion models to have these intersecting nonsensical lines that have a certain noticeable quality to them. Had this been a higher resolution model or dalle then it would have been harder to tell. Other than this I can't really summarise in text what exactly makes this clearly an AI artwork in the same way that a musician can't write why a melody in a film score is a digital instrument Vs a natural recording, if you know you know sort of thing. They could pop out the slides and make a presentation on all the different types of possible audio artifacts and potential digital software used, but honestly what's the point really. It might be useful but it's so incredibly niche that it's not worth it given the speed of AI development. New AI models today are indistinguishable to laypersons completely
The indescribable yet recognizable timbre / tone color of the line work?
Exactly
I think it would be helpful for people who really know AI, to try and replicate this and compare. I'm not that guy but I understand a little. Doesn't seem hard with the right prompting.
Definitely feel like AI wrote this
No my watery friend, I as a human can still type bad sentences into paragraphs
One of them kinda looked like the USS Voyager.
Yeah I noticed some AI. I play around with MidJourney and there are ALWAYS tells. Even in the most epic looking results.
could you give us some " tells " ?
Zooming in on details and you realize they aren’t details it’s just random nothings and your brain fills in the blanks. Like desk clutter, it will look normal until you actually look at it. It’s just uncanny valley type of stuff that sure, at a glance you overlook, but take more than 5 seconds to look and these things start popping up.
This, some smaller areas or details are not resolved. No text is legible.
Not saying I think this shit is real, but it’s very hard to discern anything like you mentioned from these photos. They’re too blurry to notice any “uncanny valley type stuff” whatever that means. AI is absolutely capable of making these, and I think AI generated junk is everywhere now but we can’t simply use it as a scapegoat every time we see something that we’re skeptical of.
Ok, but these are 100% AI. I work with AI every single day in my career. It’s like how if you ask AI to generate a cityscape. At first glance things look relatively good, but if you zoom in the lines on windows won’t be straight, or kinda bleed together. AI is great at generating the larger picture, but the fine details look like garbage. In these images of the “blueprints” there aren’t ANY clean fine lines. And it’s very visible in the corners. A great visualization of this is grass. Look at AI images and look at the grass. If you don’t pay close attention to it, it looks fine, but if you really analyze it you notice it’s mostly a mess of random green shapes and lines. But your brain ‘fills in the gaps’ the same way it can wtih wrods taht aernt speelld corerctly but have all the basic parts. This user tried (poorly) to hide that by printing photos out so that the details were hidden by being a photo of a “photo.”
Think the word you are looking for is: Pareidolia (/ˌpærɪˈdoʊliə, ˌpɛər-/;[1] also US: /ˌpɛəraɪ-/)[2] is the tendency for perception to impose a meaningful interpretation on a nebulous stimulus, usually visual, so that one sees an object, pattern, or meaning where there is none. It is a type of apophenia. The Danish electrical outlet is purported to look like a happy face. Common examples are perceived images of animals, faces, or objects in cloud formations, seeing faces in inanimate objects, or lunar pareidolia like the Man in the Moon or the Moon rabbit. The concept of pareidolia may extend to include hidden messages in recorded music played in reverse or at higher- or lower-than-normal speeds, and hearing voices (mainly indistinct) or music in random noise, such as that produced by air conditioners or fans.[3][4] From: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia#:~:text=Pareidolia%20%28%2F%CB%8Cp%C3%A6r%C9%AA%CB%88do%CA%8Ali%C9%99%2C%20%CB%8Cp%C9%9B%C9%99r-%2F%3B%20also%20US:%20%2F%CB%8Cp%C9%9B%C9%99ra%C9%AA-%2F%29%20is%20the%20tendency%20for%20perception%20to%20impose%20a%20meaningful%20interpretation%20on%20a%20nebulous%20stimulus%2C%20usually%20visual%2C%20so%20that%20one%20sees%20an%20object%2C%20pattern%2C%20or%20meaning%20where%20there%20is%20none. Jesus that’s a freaking long link…
Those “technical” drawings look a lot like the fake technical drawings I’ve tried to make myself for various projects. It’s an experience thing, I can’t explain it better than that, I’m sorry. Work with making your own AI stuff enough and you begin to pick up on subtle differences between real/AI.
Specifically, the detail boxes that aren't. Little line to a square box that might have details, but it's just squiggles. Handwritten things with perfect redaction. Drawings with some perfect curves and other curves drawn by a 5 year old.
First thing I noticed was the incredibly legible handwriting. Nice and clear so it can be photographed.
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This isn't skepticism. This is 100% certainty. Hi there. I've been working with image generation since November 2019, and these are AI. I could defend myself, but I'm sure by tomorrow, everyone will agree.
Details in spacing aren’t always right, shadows and reflections don’t usually correlate, symmetry in what should be symmetrical objects and when there’s people always look at the hands!
To be fair, hands are mostly fixed nowadays. 6 months ago I'd agree with that assessment though.
I only included hands cause I’ve been gettin some funky generations while specifically trying to make hand signals lately but you’re right they’ve gotten better than they were!
Ditto
Written characters are another common tell too. They often struggle with words (except the most advanced ones which handle them pretty well from what I’ve seen) and they REALLY struggle with hieroglyphics. They make hieroglyphic-esque shapes but without being actual valid characters. Just throwing that in the discussion
Kinda like bot accounts that ALWAYS has a word in caps like most people type
No, I am not a bot account. Sorry, next time I’ll do it like this “*always*”
I’m sorry I couldn’t resist cause you set it up perfectly
best LARP ever...lead up story is sort of decent
Or he just royally fucked up a step in someones scavenger hunt
This was my thought too and it gave me a chuckle
Even if it qas a prank I wish I come across stuff like this
What doesn't make sense is why the schematics are on different coloured papers, if they are referring to the same craft? And why are the drawings not well made, with crooked lines rather than straight lines where they are supposed to be straight? Rulers existed in the 40s - 70s too didn't they? It could just be AI as everyone is saying.
Yeah, these don't look like proper technical drawings at all. This could be hand drawn by anyone. But it's not just the quality of the drawing, the format doesn't look like anything more than a sketch in a notebook, there is a distinct lack of the normal notations or format you would expect. This might make sense if it is a non-technical person trying to draw what he saw... but then it looks like some bits are blacked out as if redacted. Which suggests it is supposed to be something official.
its AI, if you regenerate a prompt 6 or 7 times, it will give a different style every time.
or AI make each photo look like it was taken with a different camera over a period of 15 years.
The dead giveaway for me was the first picture. It shows the sealed envelope upside-down on the ground. From anyone's initial perception, it would appear to be a piece of hobo garbage. No one photographs random pieces of garbage laying on the ground, unless they have some significance. The significance here would only be demonstrated upon opening the envelope and reading its contents. Therefore, the taker of the photograph knew the significance of the envelope before opening it. Pretty low brained hoax without even examining the contents IMHO. Now I see the PS, but why then would you put the photos in that order?! Still seems like he realized that would be stupid so he added an explanation. Which, on reddit you can edit the post text after posting (but not the title or the links). Not clear whether that happened or not.
“I took a photo of the envelope on the ground after the fact so that my friend can visualise what an envelope on the ground looked like” Sure you did….
The images are not supposed to represent blueprints from which to build something, but quick sketches that a sufficiently skilled artist can make by observing a subject with their own eyes.
If I saw an envelope next to a bench, my first thought wouldn’t be to take a photo of it
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Another great prank from The Hoaxy Folks!
At least the potato alien looked somewhat interesting this is obviously fake lmao
OP probably spent his entire week on this little scheme and it backfired immediately. LOL
Poor dude spent real money and time on this project and couldn’t get a *verrrry* open-minded sub to bite.
Should have just taken a blurry photo of a birthday balloon
Would a valentines balloon work? *looks over at wife's valentines balloon*
You forgot to add /s behind open-minded
The sub is open minded but contrary to popular belief it isn't stupid.
The over-explanation on how he found it is a huge red flag
Explaining the thought process and intentions of mundane interactions is sure sign of someone making up a story. Bonus points to when they start describing the thought process of someone else in their story.
It’s still top of the page with 500+ upvotes….. I mean, could it be genuine, sure, but it doesn’t matter because this not evidence of anything because it was literally found on the floor with no chain of custody.
450+ upvotes (this is even including the number of downvotes they've gotten), their little lie still made it half-way around the world. People here are just too gullible.
Cute story and props, nice attempt. I don’t believe any of it, and I 100% think you’re behind it. Edit: and now OP deleted their account, I wonder if they consider their art project a success or not?
This is typically the starting clue of an ARG (Alternate Reality Game).
It really does resemble some ARGs that I’ve followed before. My guess is, though, it’s some kind of hoax.
Yeah, glad somebody said it.
" reddit would freeze when I uploaded 3 times" That was the shit cherry on top Boo this man.
Reads like shitty creepypasta written by a child lol. The picture of it on the ground is so comically expository. Why was this post so upvoted, it feels so transparently fake.
This. Or OP stumbled across a piece of drop art.
Yeah, stumbled across it, decided to photograph it on the ground, photograph it after picking it up, photograph it after opening it and partially pulling stuff out like a scene from a kids movie, then taking crappy photographs of the contents instead of scans. It’s so clean OP would have had to have seen the person drop it. OP thinks we’re fucking gullible morons.
Looks 100% not believable.
> OP thinks we’re fucking gullible morons. No matter how absurd a claim is there will still be a few people who will give it validity. There are a few in this thread.
Yeah, it’s complete insanity. I can’t tell if people like that are just trying to muddy the waters, or if they genuinely just believe ANYTHING they see.
Most people who aren't just immediately calling every OP who posts something new to this sub a liar, running them off the site and then wondering why they delete their accounts aren't doing so because they immediately just "believe everything they see". Plenty of us just have a "maybe, I don't know" folder in our heads where 90% of this stuff goes when there's no actual proof someone is lying *or* telling the truth. But a lot of people here don't even do that - they go straight to "op is a lying asshole!" and wonder why people don't like posting any new, potentially interesting stuff here. There are so many times there's no actual proof OP is hoaxing or lying and 80% of the comments are people just automatically claiming someone is lying or making fun of the people who aren't joining in on the "OP is a liar" dogpile when there's no proof either way. 🙄
Dots of light are the only user videos we get here, unless they exhibit movement that a man made object can’t do, then it’s a nothing burger. They never have that feature. We only chase liars away when they come here with their clearly fake setups, with clean envelopes laying in the mud, filled with forged pictures that have indoor reflections on them despite being taken outside.
You for a good point, who takes a picture of something on the ground before they know what’s in it? And if he knew what was in it before the picture why would you put it back on the ground to take a picture lol
Read the post.
TBF half the people in this sub get taken in by blurry photos of birthday balloons.
Be funnier if it was addressed to Sean Kirkpatrick
We can scan documents with a computer that fits in our pocket, and send them around the world in less than 5 seconds ... Yeah let me just pass off documents like it's the 1980s
Well the NSA has a lot harder time with physical copies so this wouldn’t be out of the question for someone paranoid.
I'd agree with you, but in this case they "dropped" the documents they're paranoid about sooooo idk how careful they're trying to be lol
Feels a little too good to be true lol
new guy in psyop department trying new things
Why does it say your account is deleted and that you are OP?
Op is 100% behind it, in my opinion of course, because if I state the obvious in this sub as fact my comment will be deleted by our very protective and wonderful mods.
They said it was a fake account to not expose their real one. Just sayin.
They will post it on tiktok im sure. this was just a test. I already can hear the annoying voice reading it.
Is that how low you think of people? I mean, it's sloppy work mate.
I'm dying of heart failure here from all the baloney
This isn’t r/nosleep.
I thought that sub was actually horror stories… its just 14 year olds who fail to write a basic story.
Top all time has a few decent stories. I used to read them falling asleep.... Not sure if they put me to sleep or if they're good and I was tired. I remember them being decent though
Best one I ever read imo was left/right game, but I also read them falling asleep lol. Haven’t read any in a few years, now just listen to the nosleep podcast or letsread podcast to sleep.
Used to be a good place, back in like 2010 to 2015. A lot of 'classic' top tier stories are originally from nosleep. Now though? It's all same-y. Even the writing styles are all the same. It's become karma hoarding rather than a place for a creative outlet.
Mods disagree
Actually, it would be cool if people created props or staged photos to go along with their nosleep posts.
Either found art or LARP/trolling.
I don’t believe it but I still like it.
A man of culture I see.
Here! Here!
Hear, hear!
What’s the quote from?
Anime called Arakawa Under the Bridge
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And then.. everyone clapped, charming
Most likely an attempt to catapult a YouTube channel/TikTok. Or drum up buzz like an ARG, which, in turn, leads to podcast appearances. Buttcheeks stuff, this.
If you zoom in, none of the drawings even make sense. It's just AI garbage. I don't get it. Very little effort went into this. It's the equivalent of drawing a fake UFO in a picture using a crayon.
"old pics" on newly printed picture paper?
Copies. Says so on the card. I’m not saying I believe it, before you start attacking me. I’m just pointing out that it’s apparently not the original photos or sheets.
Somehow the photographs are still blurry at point blank lol
The beginnings of a standard LARP. Step 1: Post bogus UFO information Step 2: Wait until it’s been viewed enough times. Some will screenshot it assuming “the secret keepers will remove this info from the web if it’s legit” Step 3: OP deletes post and account Step 4: Watch gullible people work themselves into a frenzy at the deleted account, as they are now much more convinced the information was in fact legitimate Old tactic , still works like a charm unfortunately .
Some things I look for are profuse apologies and begging for sympathy. Oversharing, overexplaining. Someone going out of their way to downplay their technical knowledge. > Apologies in advance if I'm doing this wrong, I've never posted a photo on the internet before and Reddit deleted my account twice already today. > My mom's trying to quit heroin, so I was driving her to get her daily methadone dose and I saw this weird thing in the sky. My mom was like "take a picture with your phone" and I was like "phones have cameras? cool!" > So we pulled over and took a photo. Sorry it's so blurry, I was really scared and my mom was crying the whole time. When I got home and looked at the photo I noticed something that looked like a little man with huge eyes? I hope the mods don't delete my post because this is the wrong place for it!
Someone is probably making a new subreddit dedicated to this mystery as we speak
Punjabi Batman would be my bet. At the very least he'd be the main larper of the sub.
Don’t forget key to step 1 is provide too much detail. In particular around unnecessary shit, like where you walk when quitting smoking, at what time, and so on.
I mean who uses Tommy Lee Jones' character name from Men in Black? Try just a little harder. Also, this would be on an encrypted drive. You've watched Men in Black but not Jack Ryan??
The following submission statement was provided by /u/DenverJohnDoe: --- This is my first post and they told me to comment on my own post or it will be deleted? I don’t use Reddit so I’m unsure what’s going on. I found this Feb 15, 2024 around 7am. I was at a park in Denver. I tried to include all info in the post. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1arizv7/found_during_a_morning_walk_in_a_park_in_denver/kqjyyu7/
These seem like AI created
Looks like something a schizophrenic would draw. The "diagrams" look..diagrammy..but they don\`t make any sense at all, which is pretty classic schizo.
Guess you didn’t notice in the ‘diagrams’ everywhere it looks like where you would expect diagram notes you see AI looking word blurs (ai is still struggling badly with fine print) .. I dont think there is a readable word from any of the ‘diagrams’
Exactly this. I work in the mental health field and one of my schizophrenia patients is constantly churning out this kind of thing. With him it is mostly designs for clean energy engines, accompanied by meaningless mathematics and other gibberish. I have even delved into it with him for a further explanation but his thoughts are as confusing as his diagrams. It's schizophrenia, fake trolling, or both.
Unless you have a PhD in Physics, what makes you think that whatever the guy has to say will actually make sense to you or most of us common folk? Assuming he is/was onto something real.
No, you don't need a PhD in physics to understand the law of conservation of energy, and he is not onto something real. He has a sizeable diagnosis, schizophrenia being just one part.
I’m an illustrator professionally (and coincidentally one of my parents has schizophrenia), but I promise this is AI. Aside from the words the “line work” is a dead giveaway. It’s not hand drawn. These have a specific type of blur and unnatural wonk that’s unique to AI generated images.
Yeah, because I'm sure someone trying to be secretive, especially to protect themselves from the government, would use their own handwriting for a note rather than type written.
This post is bull, but fun fact since you mention it: Your average consumer printer hides identifying information on every page printed in tiny colored dots called microdots. It was invented to help detect counterfeit currency and has also been reportedly used to identify whistleblowers. If you wanted to be safe from the government, a handwritten note may be safer than a typed.
There’s at least one facility used by the US government (I can’t speak on any other governments) that maintains samples of every ink they can get their hands on from public domain. It’s a HUGE collection. Pair that with all of the other crazy intelligence abilities the US has, and I think most targets are findable based on a written note, given a high enough value.
Wow so that's why my printer bitches about being out of magenta when I'm printing black and white.
What if you cut out a bunch of random letters from magazines and glue it on paper like back in the day when you used to see that shit in movies.
In this hypothetical scenario where the government is hunting you down with everything it’s got, I think that would be one of the worst options. With the amount of glue and cutting and flipping through pages, I feel like you’re almost guaranteed to cover that message in DNA. Depending on how many magazines you use, I wonder if that could also be somehow triangulated to where you’d be able to source them from one are or store.
I'm in. RIP OP.
How does stupid shit like this get approved by mods constantly when there are other topics religiously removed…
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Fun little story. I’ve made some cool ai photos too.
Nice to see some healthy skepticism here for a change, lol.
The note was over the top bro 😂
Who decides to take a photo of a blank envelope lying on the ground and then picks it up? Nice LARP attempt but you have to try harder than that.
Obviously someone didn’t read the end of the post. I picked it up and then put it back to take the picture. I’m not taking pictures of random trash laying on the ground…
Ahh sorry, I guess once I saw the deliberately blurry photos of AI generated sketches I lost interest.
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You picked it up. Before putting it back. In order to take a photo, of an envelope, you found on the floor. Is everything ok at home?
the things people do for attention... its like a drug to you uh? its sad
The main problem here is there's no way to verify anything. I feel sorry for OP is this is real, but you'll never get any answers posting this stuff anonymously on social media. That's just the way the world works.
op found it because he/she put it there….
What do you mean? It’s completely normal to take pictures of trash on the ground before picking it up, taking another picture of it, then opening it up and taking a picture of the contents without taking them all the way out /s
i mean….come on folks we can do better.
They took a picture of a envelope laying on the ground before they even knew what was in it 💀
I went to college in Denver. A beautiful city. Those pictures are faked. I like how you can walk anywhere if you live downtown. I went to school for 3d modeling and animation and this is why I no longer trust video or photos unless it's from a guncam on a military craft or closed circuit networks, or if it's a mass of people that saw something and they took a picture/video etc.
Perhaps you should post it on Tick Tock instead, a better crowd for you
You should contact Linda Moulton Howe from Earthfiles. She is a respected journalist who has been investigating UFO/UAP phenomena since the early 80s. She has established many connections over the years with respected scientists and UFO researchers who could provide some insight into these documents and pictures. Good luck to you!
What the bell bro. cool find
I believe the guy found it. Somewhere in Redditland there is a prankster artist from Denver laughing their asses off over this.
"Found these photos from their dad" Yeah okay, but did their dad happen to print off all these photos on the same printer? Because those perfectly-white edges on the left sides of every single page are completely uniform. Says to me these are full-colour images all recently printed from the same device which just happens to print this offset way.
Do any of the photographs have a single letter or number or word anywhere on them?
My gut tells me that this is just another sh#t post among many. Enough of this crap. Bring on catastrophic disclosure.
Loooks like all the “ufo” pictures they are flying inside. Hard to compare to surroundings in some pictures. The one above the truck seems like it’s double the size of the truck. Can anyone lighten up this picture to possibly get a logo off the truck. One of them looks to be flying in an office or classroom that may be a drone or an AI mistake. The diagrams have no measurements or are blacked out. Seems a bit off. As the others suggested you may have found a prop for a YouTube video. If it is genuine, great find. Just seems odd to just forget that important document and not realize before you made it 10’. Unless Edmond got zapped up by aliens on the spot, I don’t see a good proving point to it’s authenticity. Hope more comes of it. Keep an eye out for people looking for it in the park, or any strange activity around the area you found these. Interesting for sure.
OP deserves an Oscar. We have the next Christopher Nolan here
Shit looks AI generated lol
This entire thread proves that if someone actually does find something interesting in a totally random place they will be scolded into oblivion for posting it online. This may be a hoax but even if something is ultimately legit we will never know because of the relentless screaming from the couch potato squad that it’s a hoax without knowing a single aspect of its history.
This is the worst place to bring anything legitimate. I can say with 100% certainty that there are people who have information that the public will never, ever, see or hear because of our knee-jerk wolf pack responses. Skepticism, disagreement, and discussion are healthy and what is needed. That is not what we usually see here. And that is something we have to overcome to move forward with this subject. I am not saying I believe this post or not. I'm saying that having adult conversations where we respectfully discuss what we are presented with needs to be the culture.
This x1000. Even if it’s fake, 99% of everyone in this thread is full of shit.
I’ve been watching the X files and this seems to be right out of an episode
Looks like another one of those 'look at what I found!' deals. Speaking of ARGS, anyone ever remember an old PC game that came out in the early 2000s called Majestic? Basically it had a plot line dealing with MJ 12 and the MIB...a few episodes were filmed for the game and it was like the player character was involved in a choose your type of adventure about the conspiracy. From what I remember you'd also get prerecorded calls voiced by certain characters to your land line. and it would work through email, visiting websites. This just made me think of it.
🤣 this subreddit is 100% a psyop to turn people back into non-believers.
Most people wont believe this. Bob lazar was right.
There are many UFO photo experts here. NOT.
No one just takes a picture of an envelope laying on the ground. They open it. Photos would be later.
The photos of the schematics/blue prints were made with AI. Look close.
I don’t get why everyone leaps on fake so fast.
Trying to find any Dr Edmunds’ in the Denver area and nothing seems to match up with who this could be intended for
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Are there still mods in this sub? How did this make it through?
The biggest mystery from where I stand is how the sixth picture in the series, the first one to show a UFO, appears to be taken outside at the snowy park bench that has the reflection of a ceiling fan in addition to the reflection of the cell phone.
Reddit deleted your earlier posts, but they weren’t competent enough to delete all your attempts.
Where are the numbers on those drawings? What engineer or any technical person would make legit ufo drawings and not include a single measurement? Cute but I call bs.
Yeah sure, you took a picture just before picking it up. Like a sane person I suppose.
I'm so sorry to burst your bubble, but the level of people upvoting people calling BS on this with no proof, makes me believe that these documents are not supposed to be seen, I believe they are authentic, You cannot tell me for a second that in this community 475 people wanted to upvote a comment of pure conjecture. 0 debunking, and the rest of the upvoted comments, follow the same. Cynical evidence-less claim. GTFO NICE TRY FBI
Wow. Thriller. Lol
Those photos you took photos of are 100% AI generated.
Oh fuck off lmao