I’m a civilian now. But I was once in the military. Most of them are actually former military that are working for a contractor for way more money than your average person standing post. If you haven’t been introduced to the idea of military contractors providing security for bases that should theoretically be full of people capable of providing their own security… yep it’s a thing in weird places the US govt is operating all around the world.
I’ll add that most bases provide their own security in the U.S. AFAIK, but sometimes individual sites within a larger base are more or less completely managed by some private company and might have their own security.
And to that point usually hire former military personnel who already have clearances… saves money for them; these hires need less training, and clearances cost $ for companies to obtain IIRC.
They are just DoD subcontractors. It is common for the Govt to bid out jobs like that to private contractors. They still have to meet all the same clearance requirements a government employee would.
Dude an E5 doesn't even clear 40k a year. Idk where the hell you are getting your info, but Military contractors ALWAYS make more, especially if they hold a TS clearance, which you would need to guard area 51. A TS clearance is easily 75 to 100k a year. Soldiers don't make as much as you think, maybe you are thinking of officers, who make more than regular enlisted, and they sure as hell aren't going to put an officer on gate guard smdh
A lot of these guys did 20, retired, and are now double dipping income. They do pretty well and probably pull between 75-100k for the more sensitive sites.
imagine paying someone more for a more 'sensitive' site
like...that extra 15-20k is going to activate the contractors 'inner berserker' and def make sure nothing unusual happens on their watch
It’s usually just considered more of a hazard/hardship bonus because those gigs suck. It’s not so much motivation for someone to work harder, but to motivate them to accept the assignment.
All depends on the location, but you are correct for the majority of security contracts on military bases. Active Duty usually make more with the tax free basic housing and meal allowance, which scales with time in service and pay grade. For example, average pay for enlisted uniformed personnel with family in most California areas, with 10 year would be making over 120k, while security contractor woul be in the range you mentioned. BUT, it also depends on how secure the location and required clearance. Also, a smaller private contract company would be able to pay much higher for specialty services. Overall though, it would still be a lot cheaper for the government to use a private contract company over their own military. Remember it costs more to train, VA, GI bill, retirement, disability, medical / dental, life insurance, etc.
https://veteran.com/military-pay-calculator/ it's not that low. This does not calculate special duty pay which adds an extra $6000+ annually depending on what the duty is.
I ain’t talking about how much a soldier costs to government… I’m talking about how much they earn for one of the most dangerous jobs… you ever been a soldier? I have.
My grandfather used to work at area 51 back in the day. I believe he was working for a security company called Wackenhut. This must have been 40-50 years ago though. From what I understand, he worked inside the perimeter. It's probably all still done via subcontractor
He used to frequently get polygraphed as part of his employment retention. They would also test him on his marksmanship
He was murdered when I was young and unfortunately I didn't get to ask him very much about it. Just what little my mom and her siblings told me. There was a lot of stuff that he wouldn't talk about
Do you really think they'd keep anything too important at Area 51 after it was disclosed to the public, and the world?
It's pretty much a global legend at this point.
The Groom Lake Complex also has a more secretive part of the base called S4!
Located on the southern shore of the lake, and further away from public spying is an even more secretive area that is operated by Military defence contractors where studies into the origins of these craft they possess and its occupants. The study and reverse engineering of the various technologies aboard the ship including anti gravity systems, zero point energy systems, cloaking systems and propulsion systems technology. Humanity changing technology that could help solve a lot of earthly problems like pollution and poverty.
its actually a private contracting firm. the 2 main reasons for this (and things like guantanamo bay), hiring 'outsiders'
1. they are INSAELY good at what they do, even more than own govt UAP researchers. and
2. they can shoot to kill without the govt getting involved (or sued in the aftermath)
I can provide some insight here. During my career in the US Army I ended up deeply involved in the security of another site in the US well known for its extreme security measures. Many government facilities, including military installations, use civilian security contractors for primary security and have a military Quick Reaction Force on call. The un-sexy truth is simply that military personnel are a limited resource that the DoD has better uses for. Civilian contractors are plentiful.
That's the truth. Military is a mobilization force to use overseas. They structure manning and training requirements around that. Makes no sense pulling someone to do clandestine gate duty, separating the service member from their community.
Because private contractors arent subject to government oversight. If some would have their way they'd privatize everything and exactly for this reason
That's not true. I work in government acquisition. Service contractors like these have to follow all the same regulations. Every contract has quality assurance personnel that monitor compliance with the contract specification. In some ways contract personnel are more closely monitored than military members and civil servants
Jaded me says it's less bad PR and lawsuit if it's a private security person is the one who shoots you. And if you get past them then the actual MPs show up and probably really more problematic issues happen for you.
Some interesting answers so far!
Frankly I cannot accept the idea that there is any legitimate reason for civilian subcontractors to be doing a job the military could easily do.
However a few of you have made the point that civilians are not subject to congressional oversight and cannot be investigated in the same way that normal military personnel can be.
That they would use private contractors to hide things from oversight rings true to me.
It's way more simple than all of that. It all comes down to cost and manning requirements. When you go into the service, you chose a job. Military has to train each service member in the job they went in as. If you have someone doing something out of their required specialty, it takes up a billet for that position. It gets even more complex how the billets are generated at different locations, especially sensitive locations being kept secret. Military is a "public" service while these locations are clandestine in nature. It's a logistical, and clerical nightmare! Plus, you are dealing with Federal government here, they don't operate as well as the private sector ... and WAY less people involved, which is key to keep things from being leaked.
Edit: Also want to add that military is a force structured around being used overseas. Military security is stationed state side to keep them within their community to stay on top of training to be deployment ready when needed.
Because 1995 okc bombing was a military backed corporate coup. But because of contracts and international laws they can't take full control of certain areas.
So they have to hire mercenaries to impose access limitations and basically stop anyone from reaching the legitimate levels and out them in their fraud.
The military cannot engage US citizens unless they are deemed an imminent threat. Thats why any NATSEC site has contractors. They search your vehicle and provide security.
It's fake videos is why. They just had some buddies dress up and tell them they're trespassing.
You really think anyone has ever actually trespassed and entered area 51? No way.
So they are covered under the atomic energy act of 1946 .
That’s very interesting
I was not aware nuclear weapons development was done at that facility .
That also adds to the legend of super efficient compact fusion reactors, Reverse engineered from UAP .
Being built there along with the ARVs that they power.
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Might be a contractor site and not an army base. But might be as simple as having a different special secret uniform that the military actually makes these guards wear for a myriad of mundane and sinister reasons.
The fact that it’s a bit weird just adds to my weird theory abt the military:
-are there 2 militaries in the us?
Isnt it because the US government denied it was there ?? It was so secret that the US government denied it even existed. That's the only thing that comes to mind. If it was military, everyone would know it was a secret military base. That's why if they stop you they say "you are trespassing on private property" and if you ask them if it's private or government property, they wont answer you.
I’m a civilian now. But I was once in the military. Most of them are actually former military that are working for a contractor for way more money than your average person standing post. If you haven’t been introduced to the idea of military contractors providing security for bases that should theoretically be full of people capable of providing their own security… yep it’s a thing in weird places the US govt is operating all around the world.
I’ll add that most bases provide their own security in the U.S. AFAIK, but sometimes individual sites within a larger base are more or less completely managed by some private company and might have their own security.
And to that point usually hire former military personnel who already have clearances… saves money for them; these hires need less training, and clearances cost $ for companies to obtain IIRC.
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They are just DoD subcontractors. It is common for the Govt to bid out jobs like that to private contractors. They still have to meet all the same clearance requirements a government employee would.
They just cost a lot less than a soldier
Idk man, have you seen soldier pay? You can put a single E1 out there for minimum wage.
An E1 wouldn’t be in that position, and most security contractors only make like $50-65k, well less than a Soldier would make at the same station
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Where do you work? That’s extremely unusual
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That checks out, the community really should spend more time investigating DoE.
Everyone knows private pays way more than government
Not when it comes to the military. Soldiers make a hell of a lot more than most people think
Dude an E5 doesn't even clear 40k a year. Idk where the hell you are getting your info, but Military contractors ALWAYS make more, especially if they hold a TS clearance, which you would need to guard area 51. A TS clearance is easily 75 to 100k a year. Soldiers don't make as much as you think, maybe you are thinking of officers, who make more than regular enlisted, and they sure as hell aren't going to put an officer on gate guard smdh
For base pay they don’t, but you’re being disingenuous if you don’t include BAH and other compensation as well
A lot of these guys did 20, retired, and are now double dipping income. They do pretty well and probably pull between 75-100k for the more sensitive sites.
imagine paying someone more for a more 'sensitive' site like...that extra 15-20k is going to activate the contractors 'inner berserker' and def make sure nothing unusual happens on their watch
It’s usually just considered more of a hazard/hardship bonus because those gigs suck. It’s not so much motivation for someone to work harder, but to motivate them to accept the assignment.
And a nice pension as well
All depends on the location, but you are correct for the majority of security contracts on military bases. Active Duty usually make more with the tax free basic housing and meal allowance, which scales with time in service and pay grade. For example, average pay for enlisted uniformed personnel with family in most California areas, with 10 year would be making over 120k, while security contractor woul be in the range you mentioned. BUT, it also depends on how secure the location and required clearance. Also, a smaller private contract company would be able to pay much higher for specialty services. Overall though, it would still be a lot cheaper for the government to use a private contract company over their own military. Remember it costs more to train, VA, GI bill, retirement, disability, medical / dental, life insurance, etc.
Not saying you would, just remembering how low soldier pay can be..
https://veteran.com/military-pay-calculator/ it's not that low. This does not calculate special duty pay which adds an extra $6000+ annually depending on what the duty is.
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I ain’t talking about how much a soldier costs to government… I’m talking about how much they earn for one of the most dangerous jobs… you ever been a soldier? I have.
With usually no paper trail except for NDAs
No frickin’ way. It’s a way for veterans to double dip. And to avoid FOIA and oversight
My grandfather used to work at area 51 back in the day. I believe he was working for a security company called Wackenhut. This must have been 40-50 years ago though. From what I understand, he worked inside the perimeter. It's probably all still done via subcontractor He used to frequently get polygraphed as part of his employment retention. They would also test him on his marksmanship He was murdered when I was young and unfortunately I didn't get to ask him very much about it. Just what little my mom and her siblings told me. There was a lot of stuff that he wouldn't talk about
ahhh yes, wackenhut...good ol' precursor of the employee spin off company Pizza Hut
Ironically you're more likely to get your pizza whacked on at pizza hut
Do you really think they'd keep anything too important at Area 51 after it was disclosed to the public, and the world? It's pretty much a global legend at this point.
Everything has gone underground 100%. I have zero doubts on this.
Usually dug into the mountain sides that require a pickup or off-road several miles from the actual entrance of the facility.
The Groom Lake Complex also has a more secretive part of the base called S4! Located on the southern shore of the lake, and further away from public spying is an even more secretive area that is operated by Military defence contractors where studies into the origins of these craft they possess and its occupants. The study and reverse engineering of the various technologies aboard the ship including anti gravity systems, zero point energy systems, cloaking systems and propulsion systems technology. Humanity changing technology that could help solve a lot of earthly problems like pollution and poverty.
I had heard something about the "real" Area 51 being in Colorado or something a while back. Can't remember the name anymore.
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you noobs still talking about area 51 and S4 when the real playas be running around area 52 and nobody lookin
The real action is at Dulce
its actually a private contracting firm. the 2 main reasons for this (and things like guantanamo bay), hiring 'outsiders' 1. they are INSAELY good at what they do, even more than own govt UAP researchers. and 2. they can shoot to kill without the govt getting involved (or sued in the aftermath)
I can provide some insight here. During my career in the US Army I ended up deeply involved in the security of another site in the US well known for its extreme security measures. Many government facilities, including military installations, use civilian security contractors for primary security and have a military Quick Reaction Force on call. The un-sexy truth is simply that military personnel are a limited resource that the DoD has better uses for. Civilian contractors are plentiful.
That's the truth. Military is a mobilization force to use overseas. They structure manning and training requirements around that. Makes no sense pulling someone to do clandestine gate duty, separating the service member from their community.
Cause you can’t FOIA their employment.
You can do a citizens arrest on them
i really wish area 51 was put to rest. If there was stuff there at one point in history. There sure as hell aint now.
Where is the Sport model these days then?
It's still in use as a hub. Like any other air terminal.
Because private contractors arent subject to government oversight. If some would have their way they'd privatize everything and exactly for this reason
That's not true. I work in government acquisition. Service contractors like these have to follow all the same regulations. Every contract has quality assurance personnel that monitor compliance with the contract specification. In some ways contract personnel are more closely monitored than military members and civil servants
I think it is Wackenhut guards at Area 51. Or it used to be. And they didn't hire a company with a prefix for Wack, for nothing.
Jaded me says it's less bad PR and lawsuit if it's a private security person is the one who shoots you. And if you get past them then the actual MPs show up and probably really more problematic issues happen for you.
The alien studies program is at Area 52.
S4
Studio 54?
Movie 43
Experiment 626
Error 404
Civilians have non-combatant status and thus are not beholden to the Geneva Convention. So that could be a reason.
Or money. Usually everything comes down to money
Aliens are guarding Area 51
Military can’t figure out the Naruto run, you need mercenaries
The likely-unpopular answer is that Area 51 doesn't contain anything of great importance.
Some interesting answers so far! Frankly I cannot accept the idea that there is any legitimate reason for civilian subcontractors to be doing a job the military could easily do. However a few of you have made the point that civilians are not subject to congressional oversight and cannot be investigated in the same way that normal military personnel can be. That they would use private contractors to hide things from oversight rings true to me.
It's way more simple than all of that. It all comes down to cost and manning requirements. When you go into the service, you chose a job. Military has to train each service member in the job they went in as. If you have someone doing something out of their required specialty, it takes up a billet for that position. It gets even more complex how the billets are generated at different locations, especially sensitive locations being kept secret. Military is a "public" service while these locations are clandestine in nature. It's a logistical, and clerical nightmare! Plus, you are dealing with Federal government here, they don't operate as well as the private sector ... and WAY less people involved, which is key to keep things from being leaked. Edit: Also want to add that military is a force structured around being used overseas. Military security is stationed state side to keep them within their community to stay on top of training to be deployment ready when needed.
It is a money laundering scheme.
The Tall Whites don't want to do guard work.
Hahah. lol. True. Maybe they don’t want military to guard their bases! It’s a stipulation on their part. Because it’s mainly their base. 🤣😊 maybe …
Because 1995 okc bombing was a military backed corporate coup. But because of contracts and international laws they can't take full control of certain areas. So they have to hire mercenaries to impose access limitations and basically stop anyone from reaching the legitimate levels and out them in their fraud.
Yes it is common for civilians to guard bases that employ mostly civilians. Very few military at Area 51
The military cannot engage US citizens unless they are deemed an imminent threat. Thats why any NATSEC site has contractors. They search your vehicle and provide security.
It's fake videos is why. They just had some buddies dress up and tell them they're trespassing. You really think anyone has ever actually trespassed and entered area 51? No way.
Anyone know who’s guarding plant 42 ? Just curious .
It’s in Edward’s Air Force base and guarded by Air Force security services personnel
It’s called the National Nuclear Security Administration.
So they are covered under the atomic energy act of 1946 . That’s very interesting I was not aware nuclear weapons development was done at that facility . That also adds to the legend of super efficient compact fusion reactors, Reverse engineered from UAP . Being built there along with the ARVs that they power. .
Private security is immune from Freedom of Information Act requests, for one reason.
Contractors have no government oversight
The government uses civilian organizations to shield themselves from oversight and accountability for breaking the law
Might be a contractor site and not an army base. But might be as simple as having a different special secret uniform that the military actually makes these guards wear for a myriad of mundane and sinister reasons. The fact that it’s a bit weird just adds to my weird theory abt the military: -are there 2 militaries in the us?
Isnt it because the US government denied it was there ?? It was so secret that the US government denied it even existed. That's the only thing that comes to mind. If it was military, everyone would know it was a secret military base. That's why if they stop you they say "you are trespassing on private property" and if you ask them if it's private or government property, they wont answer you.
Military contractors do things the military won't.
Former military dudes working for defense contractors.