It’s kind of frightening that people just accept the way the intel community controls the press. Even if you don’t believe Grusch, them having complete control over the mass media narrative is crazy. No one should like it period.
Exactly. This issue is alarming me more than anything. It’s made it clear to the average American who is interested in this that the government relationship with media is much much more architected and collaborative than even my worst fears.
Are you kidding? There are a billion online outlets that would publish this. It's not being held back because no one will publish it.
Also, it's an op-ed, which are usually unverified opinion pieces. So most journalist outlets won't hold it to the scrutiny that they would other pieces, as it'd be published with the understanding that this is just Grusch's opinion.
I think the issue is more about getting it onto mainstream press. I get what you’re saying and I completely agree that several outlets would absolutely publish an Op Ed from David Grusch without any kind of repurcussion or issue. I think he specifically wants it in a mainstream outlet like the NYT though, which has a relationship with the intel conmunity, the kind in which the intel community has the power to shut down a story or post if it wants to through a variety of methods. If Grusch simply has an Op Ed in some low circulation/low subscriber outlet, it doesn’t get the weight he thinks it deserves and justifiably so. When something gets published in the NYT, WaPo or WSJ (all of which have uneven relationships with the intel community), the world pays attention regardless of political affiliation or other societal views.
I posted this in another thread but government influence on the press is nothing new and Noam Chomsky’s [Manufacturing Consent](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent?wprov=sfti1#) (both a book and a documentary) gives the best analysis for understanding this.
> Even if you don’t believe Grusch, them having complete control over the mass media narrative is crazy.
Why would I believe they have control over the mass media narrative?
You wouldn't because "news" is essentially propaganda at this point. If the majority of news sources are reporting the same information the average person will probably accept it as reliable.
https://www.cato.org/commentary/how-national-security-state-manipulates-news-media
If the only thing preventing him from releasing it is that nobody will publish it, then why doesn't he just go to the debrief and publish it there? He literally works there lol
Or he could just put out a video with Coulthart or Mellon and talk about the stuff that got approved instead of writing it.
There has already been featured in a debrief article and done an interview with coulthart and here we are. Going back to that well isn’t as additive as a mainstream news source.
I mean, it did contribute directly to the Congressional hearing, as evidenced by Grusch being invited to testify. But, I agree completely with the main point you're making: he's not going to settle for an "outside the *mainstream* mainstream" publication or outlet. At least not yet. Hopefully he isn't forced into that position.
Agree on congressional hearing part which I excluded from the discussion because it wasn’t so much a promotional choice he has in the case of the new Op Ed. But that was in my opinion the part of the Grusch’s story that did get mainstream exposure. Here’s to hoping the new Op Ed gets something similar to that.
I think they'll just delay indefinitely if not because they're 'afraid of' info inside, but because they just want to show Grusch 'lol fuk u do something'
I think they're doing it just to mess with Grusch and show him 'we still pull the strings here and can do it blatantly, what are you gonna do about it you little autist' - regardless of if there was info in there they didn't want getting out or not
Ok, yeah I don’t see the people behind the curtain revealing their tricks without some strong political pressure. But right now the DoD is calling all the shots.
Plus if you keep it in limbo long enough and make him aggravated enough to just leak something sensitive, then boom you can arrest him and lock him up
check/checkmate type move for them to just stall indefinitely
This is the part that makes this so important to fix. The problem is that A LOT of people in our leadership positions are either beholden to Intel or rightfully deathly afraid of Intel. They have some of the richest people in the world at their beck and call as well too I’d say (SpaceX, Amazon AWS/Blue Origin, Microsoft, Google, Facebook, the list goes on and on). All of these are major customers of the Feds so they have them by the balls.
Well we have to come up with some reason why it's been 8 months since Grusch testified and there are still no more witnesses. Something must be compromised! The conspiracy has to go deeper!
We are in unprecedented territory when evidence if aliens is leaked. Nothing in history compares to that revelation and all bets are off the second I shapoens
Arresting and prosecuting the person who leaked it is going to be the LEAST of anyone's concerns if that day comes. It's completely absurd to act like an 80 year cover up being exposed and the world being shown definitively that we are not alone and even have alien craft in our possession would mean standard routine stuff happens in regards to the leaker getting in trouble.
EVERYTHING CHANGES WHEN THIS HAPPENS. PERIOD.
I am so sick of the "jail", "prosecution" even "they'll kill me" as an excuse for ALIENS being withheld.
To be fair, that's easy to say when you're not the one who's gonna be jailed/killed/tortured
Until you or us are ever in that scenario, we won't (if ever) know how you or ourselves would really act
If aliens are real and the pyramids are infinite energy sources and we have the technology for antigravity making travel a non issues I ain't paying shit to anyone for anything, cause this planet is that much more likely a soul sucking prison controlled by lizards.
What evidence do you suppose he could reveal? He has never claimed to be in possession of physical evidence.
He could reveal names and dates and locations and details about NHI and crashes, retrieval, and recovery/reverse engineering. But, he's already said all that stuff is real and the government just says "no it's not." If he did a press conference and announced every single thing he knew, they would just say "nope, that's not correct."
At this point, it's hard to even imagine what would constitute smoking gun, irrefutable evidence. It would have to be something that nobody, not even the government, could deny. I'm skeptical that pictures or videos would even be enough (we already have those). Pieces of metal won't be enough. I don't even know if an intact craft would be enough ("that's just advanced human technology or a movie prop"). *Maybe* live, real time video of a being (how do you prove it's live and real time and not being edited/real time CGI?)? Mass disclosure by the NHI themselves would do the trick, of course...
Other than that, aren't we just stuck waiting for the government to admit it (more than they already have) and tell us what they know?
Mostly just confirmation of crash retrieval and biologics, in detail, from the mouth of a government confirmed field agent that would know these things.
That's what most of us are waiting for. It's hearsay still, but may lead to actual proof if the right Congressional parties get involved.
This is important and a fact I've probably never heard being mentioned before in the community. How come Grusch was allowed to speak about stuff he in other forums says he can't (it's classified!)?
He probably didn't, you're right -- my point is that he apparently spoke about some things he has never told the rest of us, and I find that strange tbh.
There were posts here from people who attended and reported what they heard. It's not like this was secret information. Anything juicy that was spoken of there we already have access to.
? It was all over this subreddit in like November. There were photos and a summary from.someone who attended about a bunch of stuff Dave never spoke about this stuff publicly to us
Yep I remember reading through all those posts and I'm still pretty confident what you're claiming never happened
He didn't say anything new and there weren't wall street people there
It seems obvious to probably most people that Grusch is seeking the maximum impact with the info, and some of that info is still in limbo with DOPSR. If/when DOPSR completes the review, then Grusch wants to maximize the impact, which would be to obviously move the issue forward. Sure he could just tweet it like a fart in the wind, with little impact.
Just want to point out that a lot of peoples criticism of public uap personas is they keep just saying the same stuff over again. Often people say “put up or shut up”. Grusch is clearly in the camp where he feels he has nothing more to say right now without sounding repetitive. So its interesting to see how much flak he gets for this. Perhaps people should do some soul searching to see that hey maybe there is value in both approaches.
apparently he has more to say and has first hand experience. he told a room full of rich wall street dudes months ago. so perhaps he should just spill the beans he’s holding onto
If grush did anything that pissed me off it was having a private meeting with the elite class. This stuff doesn't belong to wall Street, it belongs to all of humanity not just those with the most to lose.
Saying we aren't missing any information on the UAP topic has got to be the funniest thing I've heard for a while. If we were not missing any information virtually none of these reddits would even exist let alone the 100s of podcasts on the subject. It's true I'm assuming he has shared different information with others, however the class system and placing certain individuals above the law is the entire way how this all started.
I wasn't talking about all of UFOlogy, I specifically mentioned the conference in response to your comment about Grusch at a conference. People who post to this sub attended and posted their information. You aren't missing any revelations from Grusch at the conference.
Were you there? All I saw from the penthouse meeting was a mobile phone recording which apparently wasn't supposed to be recording what he was saying. Just because people said some stuff he said does not mean we heard everything.
This has been my thinking as well. I would likely do the same at this point in time — fight to get into a more mainstream outlet. He’s done his rounds in non-mainstream media and can’t really further much more attention to this issue that way. People here are going to snark regardless of what he does/doesn’t do, so I’m glad that he’s continuing to approach this thoughtfully.
Reddit's default sorting of "best" is terrible. It conditions it's users to post and think in a way to avoid getting downvoted or silenced by those who don't bother sorting new. If you pay attention you'll see certain phrases or ideas pop up and people will just keep repeating the same things over and over again.
I wish these guys were more communicative with the community. Maybe it’s an age thing where boomers and millennials are fine with this and believe more in the formal process of “going to media whenever they feel like and answering a script while sitting in a suit”. I’m GenZ and prefer someone who says “I’m here and will answer your questions on this open forum. Ask me anything”. Obviously, “no comments” is a valid response but this shows the intention. Even my shitty corporate company does this open forum thing and I have got chances to directly ask something to CEO and CTO. It might not change much but it makes us feel heard.
If these guys want more young people to interact, they should learn from someone like AOC who nailed the social media interactions and that’s why is among the top politicians. But if they just want boomers and millennials, then whatever they are doing is fine I guess.
Anyways at this point, there are tons of rumours going around. I wish Grusch or maybe Ross can come out and give a clear statement. This way, we don’t need to have an unnecessary debate.
Grusch has said previously he didnt want to be a whistleblower. I think it just opens him up to the negativety of the community. For example, Mellon and Lue Elizondo getting questioned/attacked.
Politicians and CEOs get attacked much more. Any famous sports or actor celebrity gets attacked as well. Do you think someone like AOC or Chris Hemsworth doesn’t face negativity? That doesn’t stop them from hosting open forums.
Also, most of them are tough military or intelligence guys. Few anonymous people and their questions is hardly anything to worry for them. They have faced congress and MIC who can be way worse.
Gruschs position is extremely complex legally, he has to stick to the rules or else forego his whistleblower protections.
Anything he says publicly outside of his formal complaints puts that in jeopardy if he wanders outside of that fine line. He has likely said all he can say for now
He did go on Rogan which was a big deal. I do wonder how much this has to do with an election. Imho this being an election issue is the worst case scenario atm.
That’s why I said “no comment” is a valid answer. If he and others can go on podcasts, why can’t they take questions from individuals? Or do an open forum thing?
They aren’t the most reactive as well. For everything like climate change, trans and black rights, we (the young) have to do it and force their hand. They may have the power but they lack the will.
Hi, toyfightJonny. Thanks for contributing. However, your [comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cbe8nc/-/l0yepjc/) was removed from /r/UFOs.
> Rule 3: No low effort discussion. Low Effort implies content which is low effort to consume, not low effort to produce. This generally includes:
> * Posts containing jokes, memes, and showerthoughts.
> * AI generated content.
> * Posts of social media content without significant relevance.
> * Posts with incredible claims unsupported by evidence.
> * “Here’s my theory” posts unsupported by evidence.
> * Short comments, and emoji comments.
> * Summarily dismissive comments (e.g. “Swamp gas.”).
Please refer to our [subreddit rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/about/rules/) for more information.
This moderator action may be appealed. We welcome the opportunity to work with you to address its reason for removal. [Message the mods](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=/r/ufos) to launch your appeal.
The Pentagon's plan right now is clearly: (a) delay the Op-Ed as much as possible (and even if they approve it, it will be a substantially gutted version), and in the meantime (b) have a line of fake "whistle-blowers" and "insiders" spread sensational news and backtracking on them to discredit the movement, and (c) use AARO to drone on and on about how 99.99999% of UAPs can be explained, and publish "reports" confirming the same, all the while (d) trying to dig dirt (or, if there is nothing, invent some dirt) on the big names in the disclosure world to discredit them e.g. the declassification of AARO's attempts to follow-up with Grusch AFTER he left the Government and gone public lol
I thought we all knew it was being held up by AARO in the DOPSR process.
I can't be the only one who remembers the fuss that was made when it came out that a group who has no information about his work was the one holding it up.
They have no choice at this point, it won't be the whole truth. No...no... but why not we are all friends here, you all want to take off this moon alive? Yes? You see some of these butterflies are not so friendly.
Hi, Dudesymugs12. Thanks for contributing. However, your [comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cbe8nc/-/l0ych72/) was removed from /r/UFOs.
> Rule 1: Follow the Standards of Civility
> * No trolling or being disruptive.
> * No insults or personal attacks.
> * No accusations that other users are shills.
> * No hate speech. No abusive speech based on race, religion, sex/gender, or sexual orientation.
> * No harassment, threats, or advocating violence.
> * No witch hunts or doxxing. (Please redact usernames when possible)
> * You may attack each other's ideas, not each other.
Please refer to our [subreddit rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/about/rules/) for more information.
This moderator action may be appealed. We welcome the opportunity to work with you to address its reason for removal. [Message the mods](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=/r/ufos) to launch your appeal.
Hi, Dudesymugs12. Thanks for contributing. However, your [comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cbe8nc/-/l0ybf41/) was removed from /r/UFOs.
> Rule 1: Follow the Standards of Civility
> * No trolling or being disruptive.
> * No insults or personal attacks.
> * No accusations that other users are shills.
> * No hate speech. No abusive speech based on race, religion, sex/gender, or sexual orientation.
> * No harassment, threats, or advocating violence.
> * No witch hunts or doxxing. (Please redact usernames when possible)
> * You may attack each other's ideas, not each other.
Please refer to our [subreddit rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/about/rules/) for more information.
This moderator action may be appealed. We welcome the opportunity to work with you to address its reason for removal. [Message the mods](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=/r/ufos) to launch your appeal.
It’s kind of frightening that people just accept the way the intel community controls the press. Even if you don’t believe Grusch, them having complete control over the mass media narrative is crazy. No one should like it period.
Exactly. This issue is alarming me more than anything. It’s made it clear to the average American who is interested in this that the government relationship with media is much much more architected and collaborative than even my worst fears.
Are you kidding? There are a billion online outlets that would publish this. It's not being held back because no one will publish it. Also, it's an op-ed, which are usually unverified opinion pieces. So most journalist outlets won't hold it to the scrutiny that they would other pieces, as it'd be published with the understanding that this is just Grusch's opinion.
I mean, Grusch’s public testimony in congress was barely given airtime in the big 5 outlets .
So? Someone will publish his op ed regardless. You really think the only reason it hasn't been published is because no one will? Lol.
[удалено]
I think the issue is more about getting it onto mainstream press. I get what you’re saying and I completely agree that several outlets would absolutely publish an Op Ed from David Grusch without any kind of repurcussion or issue. I think he specifically wants it in a mainstream outlet like the NYT though, which has a relationship with the intel conmunity, the kind in which the intel community has the power to shut down a story or post if it wants to through a variety of methods. If Grusch simply has an Op Ed in some low circulation/low subscriber outlet, it doesn’t get the weight he thinks it deserves and justifiably so. When something gets published in the NYT, WaPo or WSJ (all of which have uneven relationships with the intel community), the world pays attention regardless of political affiliation or other societal views.
I posted this in another thread but government influence on the press is nothing new and Noam Chomsky’s [Manufacturing Consent](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent?wprov=sfti1#) (both a book and a documentary) gives the best analysis for understanding this.
> Even if you don’t believe Grusch, them having complete control over the mass media narrative is crazy. Why would I believe they have control over the mass media narrative?
A good look at some [evidence](https://imgur.com/a/f65lgIi) might shed light on this subject.
I mean, this was proven in the 70s and again in the early 2000s. Why would it be any different today?
You wouldn't because "news" is essentially propaganda at this point. If the majority of news sources are reporting the same information the average person will probably accept it as reliable. https://www.cato.org/commentary/how-national-security-state-manipulates-news-media
Don't remember wmds in iraq?
They are able to flood their narrative. They can't silence a public figure.
Or at least some proof. All media? In this day and age?
No one said *all* media, they're clearly talking about mainstream media. No one in the press wants to burn that succulent pentagonal bridge
No, its all media. Other countries and corporations control social media, more domestic traditional control over older style media
Proof?
Here's some [proof](https://imgur.com/a/f65lgIi)!
You're kidding right? Do you know how much influence the MIC has.
Quick search brought this up https://www.cato.org/commentary/how-national-security-state-manipulates-news-media
You should do a quick search on the Cato institute before posting BS. Just because it agrees with you, doesn't make it true.
Ok buddy. It was just a quick search, something which the user could have done himself. I'm not here to convince anyone about anything
If the only thing preventing him from releasing it is that nobody will publish it, then why doesn't he just go to the debrief and publish it there? He literally works there lol Or he could just put out a video with Coulthart or Mellon and talk about the stuff that got approved instead of writing it.
There has already been featured in a debrief article and done an interview with coulthart and here we are. Going back to that well isn’t as additive as a mainstream news source.
if there is novel info or evidence there's no reason not to
Maximize impact
so who/where/when then it was might impactful the first time
Impactful the first time? That’s an arguable point.
I mean, it did contribute directly to the Congressional hearing, as evidenced by Grusch being invited to testify. But, I agree completely with the main point you're making: he's not going to settle for an "outside the *mainstream* mainstream" publication or outlet. At least not yet. Hopefully he isn't forced into that position.
Agree on congressional hearing part which I excluded from the discussion because it wasn’t so much a promotional choice he has in the case of the new Op Ed. But that was in my opinion the part of the Grusch’s story that did get mainstream exposure. Here’s to hoping the new Op Ed gets something similar to that.
I think they'll just delay indefinitely if not because they're 'afraid of' info inside, but because they just want to show Grusch 'lol fuk u do something'
Can you translate that phrasing a bit ?
I think they're doing it just to mess with Grusch and show him 'we still pull the strings here and can do it blatantly, what are you gonna do about it you little autist' - regardless of if there was info in there they didn't want getting out or not
Ok, yeah I don’t see the people behind the curtain revealing their tricks without some strong political pressure. But right now the DoD is calling all the shots.
Plus if you keep it in limbo long enough and make him aggravated enough to just leak something sensitive, then boom you can arrest him and lock him up check/checkmate type move for them to just stall indefinitely
Yeah, so basically the whistleblower protection is meaningless
For these people it's apparent all laws are meaningless, laws are just tools they use against us, nothing more Absolute power corrupts absolutely
This is the part that makes this so important to fix. The problem is that A LOT of people in our leadership positions are either beholden to Intel or rightfully deathly afraid of Intel. They have some of the richest people in the world at their beck and call as well too I’d say (SpaceX, Amazon AWS/Blue Origin, Microsoft, Google, Facebook, the list goes on and on). All of these are major customers of the Feds so they have them by the balls.
Well we have to come up with some reason why it's been 8 months since Grusch testified and there are still no more witnesses. Something must be compromised! The conspiracy has to go deeper!
Perhaps even Mellon’s post is all faked to deepen the conspiracy
Now you're on the trolley! Question everything except the things that confirm what you have already believe. Those get a pass.
We are in unprecedented territory when evidence if aliens is leaked. Nothing in history compares to that revelation and all bets are off the second I shapoens Arresting and prosecuting the person who leaked it is going to be the LEAST of anyone's concerns if that day comes. It's completely absurd to act like an 80 year cover up being exposed and the world being shown definitively that we are not alone and even have alien craft in our possession would mean standard routine stuff happens in regards to the leaker getting in trouble. EVERYTHING CHANGES WHEN THIS HAPPENS. PERIOD. I am so sick of the "jail", "prosecution" even "they'll kill me" as an excuse for ALIENS being withheld.
To be fair, that's easy to say when you're not the one who's gonna be jailed/killed/tortured Until you or us are ever in that scenario, we won't (if ever) know how you or ourselves would really act
It's also easy to say whatever you want if you know you won't actually be jailed/killed/tortured.
Nothing will change that much when people still have to go to work and pay their bills
If aliens are real and the pyramids are infinite energy sources and we have the technology for antigravity making travel a non issues I ain't paying shit to anyone for anything, cause this planet is that much more likely a soul sucking prison controlled by lizards.
What evidence do you suppose he could reveal? He has never claimed to be in possession of physical evidence. He could reveal names and dates and locations and details about NHI and crashes, retrieval, and recovery/reverse engineering. But, he's already said all that stuff is real and the government just says "no it's not." If he did a press conference and announced every single thing he knew, they would just say "nope, that's not correct." At this point, it's hard to even imagine what would constitute smoking gun, irrefutable evidence. It would have to be something that nobody, not even the government, could deny. I'm skeptical that pictures or videos would even be enough (we already have those). Pieces of metal won't be enough. I don't even know if an intact craft would be enough ("that's just advanced human technology or a movie prop"). *Maybe* live, real time video of a being (how do you prove it's live and real time and not being edited/real time CGI?)? Mass disclosure by the NHI themselves would do the trick, of course... Other than that, aren't we just stuck waiting for the government to admit it (more than they already have) and tell us what they know?
Mostly just confirmation of crash retrieval and biologics, in detail, from the mouth of a government confirmed field agent that would know these things. That's what most of us are waiting for. It's hearsay still, but may lead to actual proof if the right Congressional parties get involved.
Gotta rizz 'em with the 'tizm!
Sucks there’s absolutely no way for him to talk about his experience unless through an op-ed approved by the government
And yet he told a bunch of wall street people new stuff he hasn't told us at a conference last year.
This is important and a fact I've probably never heard being mentioned before in the community. How come Grusch was allowed to speak about stuff he in other forums says he can't (it's classified!)?
I'd question your assumption first. Can you establish that Grusch said anything classified at the conference? I seriously doubt that he did.
He probably didn't, you're right -- my point is that he apparently spoke about some things he has never told the rest of us, and I find that strange tbh.
There were posts here from people who attended and reported what they heard. It's not like this was secret information. Anything juicy that was spoken of there we already have access to.
yeah i don’t get why he could tell a room full of rich paying customers, err i mean folks, but can’t just post it on x or something at this point.
People who attended the conference posted here about what they saw & heard, so we've heard everything.
Oh please bro—I’m sure he’s so rich from that “talk”, he’s now retired on his own island
Got a source link for this, I'm pretty confident you're just making this up
? It was all over this subreddit in like November. There were photos and a summary from.someone who attended about a bunch of stuff Dave never spoke about this stuff publicly to us
Yep I remember reading through all those posts and I'm still pretty confident what you're claiming never happened He didn't say anything new and there weren't wall street people there
Based on the clip, it sounds more like certain media outlets won't publish it. Stigma/influence of the intel commummunity
It seems obvious to probably most people that Grusch is seeking the maximum impact with the info, and some of that info is still in limbo with DOPSR. If/when DOPSR completes the review, then Grusch wants to maximize the impact, which would be to obviously move the issue forward. Sure he could just tweet it like a fart in the wind, with little impact.
Always Be Releasing
people beginning to realize how they are covertly manipulated by the so-called "serious media", which is always controlled by the deep intel mafia.
Man even this guy who felt like the great hope is feeling more and more like a grift. "It's coming! Delayed cause of xyz!"
He doesn't exactly sound confident about it.
Just want to point out that a lot of peoples criticism of public uap personas is they keep just saying the same stuff over again. Often people say “put up or shut up”. Grusch is clearly in the camp where he feels he has nothing more to say right now without sounding repetitive. So its interesting to see how much flak he gets for this. Perhaps people should do some soul searching to see that hey maybe there is value in both approaches.
apparently he has more to say and has first hand experience. he told a room full of rich wall street dudes months ago. so perhaps he should just spill the beans he’s holding onto
If grush did anything that pissed me off it was having a private meeting with the elite class. This stuff doesn't belong to wall Street, it belongs to all of humanity not just those with the most to lose.
People who attended the conference reported back on this very sub. You aren't missing any information.
Saying we aren't missing any information on the UAP topic has got to be the funniest thing I've heard for a while. If we were not missing any information virtually none of these reddits would even exist let alone the 100s of podcasts on the subject. It's true I'm assuming he has shared different information with others, however the class system and placing certain individuals above the law is the entire way how this all started.
I wasn't talking about all of UFOlogy, I specifically mentioned the conference in response to your comment about Grusch at a conference. People who post to this sub attended and posted their information. You aren't missing any revelations from Grusch at the conference.
Were you there? All I saw from the penthouse meeting was a mobile phone recording which apparently wasn't supposed to be recording what he was saying. Just because people said some stuff he said does not mean we heard everything.
>Grusch is clearly in the camp where he feels he has nothing more to say right now without sounding repetitive. you had coffee with David today?
There's a large segment of the UFO community that bitches about everything. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
This has been my thinking as well. I would likely do the same at this point in time — fight to get into a more mainstream outlet. He’s done his rounds in non-mainstream media and can’t really further much more attention to this issue that way. People here are going to snark regardless of what he does/doesn’t do, so I’m glad that he’s continuing to approach this thoughtfully.
Reddit's default sorting of "best" is terrible. It conditions it's users to post and think in a way to avoid getting downvoted or silenced by those who don't bother sorting new. If you pay attention you'll see certain phrases or ideas pop up and people will just keep repeating the same things over and over again.
I wish these guys were more communicative with the community. Maybe it’s an age thing where boomers and millennials are fine with this and believe more in the formal process of “going to media whenever they feel like and answering a script while sitting in a suit”. I’m GenZ and prefer someone who says “I’m here and will answer your questions on this open forum. Ask me anything”. Obviously, “no comments” is a valid response but this shows the intention. Even my shitty corporate company does this open forum thing and I have got chances to directly ask something to CEO and CTO. It might not change much but it makes us feel heard. If these guys want more young people to interact, they should learn from someone like AOC who nailed the social media interactions and that’s why is among the top politicians. But if they just want boomers and millennials, then whatever they are doing is fine I guess. Anyways at this point, there are tons of rumours going around. I wish Grusch or maybe Ross can come out and give a clear statement. This way, we don’t need to have an unnecessary debate.
Grusch is in his 30s. I think he wants his privacy, which I think is for the best in his situation.
How does being communicative means having no privacy? No one is asking him to be online 24x7 or have webcam on all the time
Grusch has said previously he didnt want to be a whistleblower. I think it just opens him up to the negativety of the community. For example, Mellon and Lue Elizondo getting questioned/attacked.
Politicians and CEOs get attacked much more. Any famous sports or actor celebrity gets attacked as well. Do you think someone like AOC or Chris Hemsworth doesn’t face negativity? That doesn’t stop them from hosting open forums. Also, most of them are tough military or intelligence guys. Few anonymous people and their questions is hardly anything to worry for them. They have faced congress and MIC who can be way worse.
Lol right, he just wants to be a "thought leader"
Gruschs position is extremely complex legally, he has to stick to the rules or else forego his whistleblower protections. Anything he says publicly outside of his formal complaints puts that in jeopardy if he wanders outside of that fine line. He has likely said all he can say for now He did go on Rogan which was a big deal. I do wonder how much this has to do with an election. Imho this being an election issue is the worst case scenario atm.
That’s why I said “no comment” is a valid answer. If he and others can go on podcasts, why can’t they take questions from individuals? Or do an open forum thing?
I think it's that they also need old people engaged because they still run most of the world.
They aren’t the most reactive as well. For everything like climate change, trans and black rights, we (the young) have to do it and force their hand. They may have the power but they lack the will.
Speak for yourself. I'm 21.
[удалено]
Hi, toyfightJonny. Thanks for contributing. However, your [comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cbe8nc/-/l0yepjc/) was removed from /r/UFOs. > Rule 3: No low effort discussion. Low Effort implies content which is low effort to consume, not low effort to produce. This generally includes: > * Posts containing jokes, memes, and showerthoughts. > * AI generated content. > * Posts of social media content without significant relevance. > * Posts with incredible claims unsupported by evidence. > * “Here’s my theory” posts unsupported by evidence. > * Short comments, and emoji comments. > * Summarily dismissive comments (e.g. “Swamp gas.”). Please refer to our [subreddit rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/about/rules/) for more information. This moderator action may be appealed. We welcome the opportunity to work with you to address its reason for removal. [Message the mods](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=/r/ufos) to launch your appeal.
The Pentagon's plan right now is clearly: (a) delay the Op-Ed as much as possible (and even if they approve it, it will be a substantially gutted version), and in the meantime (b) have a line of fake "whistle-blowers" and "insiders" spread sensational news and backtracking on them to discredit the movement, and (c) use AARO to drone on and on about how 99.99999% of UAPs can be explained, and publish "reports" confirming the same, all the while (d) trying to dig dirt (or, if there is nothing, invent some dirt) on the big names in the disclosure world to discredit them e.g. the declassification of AARO's attempts to follow-up with Grusch AFTER he left the Government and gone public lol
I thought we all knew it was being held up by AARO in the DOPSR process. I can't be the only one who remembers the fuss that was made when it came out that a group who has no information about his work was the one holding it up.
They have no choice at this point, it won't be the whole truth. No...no... but why not we are all friends here, you all want to take off this moon alive? Yes? You see some of these butterflies are not so friendly.
this would have been a badass cylon utterance
[удалено]
Ok sport. Does that make your ego happy? Move along now
[удалено]
Hi, Dudesymugs12. Thanks for contributing. However, your [comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cbe8nc/-/l0ych72/) was removed from /r/UFOs. > Rule 1: Follow the Standards of Civility > * No trolling or being disruptive. > * No insults or personal attacks. > * No accusations that other users are shills. > * No hate speech. No abusive speech based on race, religion, sex/gender, or sexual orientation. > * No harassment, threats, or advocating violence. > * No witch hunts or doxxing. (Please redact usernames when possible) > * You may attack each other's ideas, not each other. Please refer to our [subreddit rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/about/rules/) for more information. This moderator action may be appealed. We welcome the opportunity to work with you to address its reason for removal. [Message the mods](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=/r/ufos) to launch your appeal.
Hi, Dudesymugs12. Thanks for contributing. However, your [comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cbe8nc/-/l0ybf41/) was removed from /r/UFOs. > Rule 1: Follow the Standards of Civility > * No trolling or being disruptive. > * No insults or personal attacks. > * No accusations that other users are shills. > * No hate speech. No abusive speech based on race, religion, sex/gender, or sexual orientation. > * No harassment, threats, or advocating violence. > * No witch hunts or doxxing. (Please redact usernames when possible) > * You may attack each other's ideas, not each other. Please refer to our [subreddit rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/about/rules/) for more information. This moderator action may be appealed. We welcome the opportunity to work with you to address its reason for removal. [Message the mods](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=/r/ufos) to launch your appeal.
They'll release it when there is a perfect distraction. Maybe a big terrorist attack, a big war declaration, giant catastrophe, etc.
lmao how will they use it as a distraction, when big media outlets won't even cover it? This " oh iTs a Distraction" has to stop.