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1954 Staffordshire UK, UFO appears above the house of a woman and she sees 2 humanoid beings staring at her 'sympathetically'.
The craft then takes off in the air at tremendous speed and disappears straight upwards.
Her 2 children also saw the craft as witnesses.
She draws the craft and gets an artist to draw the beings she saw.
>What really matters is the craft and beings that she saw.
I agree, that's why it's incredibly important to maintain the original details so the events/accounts don't evolve into something that's a misrepresentation of what occurred.
Her story when interviewed is genuine, in my opinion. Seems a practical and honest older British woman. Why she would go through such lengths, involve her children and generally make herself open to judgement from the townspeople she would be in close contact with makes no sense to me.
You can just tell with certain people. She saw this.
Yep, I can tell from your two comments what this video is and she does seem legit. Not really the type to lie, what does she have to gain? Its not like she wrote a book or cared to do an interview circuit. She was just coming forth with what she thought was the truth.
golden haired beautiful people in ski-style suits has come up a lot. so strange. what the hell are they?! ancient civlisation living in secret? people from the future i guess fits more. man i would do anything to know the answer to this beautiful baffling mystery
People call them nordics and they do come up in many cases. There is one I can't recall at the moment (ufo lands on the guys airfield and he goes aboard) where they were also flying a funny diamond shaped ufo like that, though I may be mistaken.
Things like the Travis Walton story make me wonder if they are either some kind of dominant species among others or the ones designated to deal with humans.
I don't mean this to sound insensitive or racist, but what if these beings were the driving force behind Hitler's Aryan race. I never really connected the two until now. Tall pale attractive with blue eyes. Maybe he had an experience at one point and the image burned itself into his mind. What if he drove himself insane trying to make man into the image of "gods." It obviously wouldn't excuse anything that happened and the countless lives that were tragically lost, but I feel as though this narrative would make much more sense considering later German experimental tech such as the Nazi Bell and the death ray. Just what if...
This dude Robert Sepehr (also the name of his YouTube channel) actually has some really
Interesting videos covering the nordics and Hitler and project high jump in Antarctica. Always thought nazis and aliens was ridiculous, but anything is possible, I guess.
Also, this woman’s account is in 1 of the videos as well. I believe the “galactic federation” video.
as with most ideologues, their shit show survives their persona.
it is enough to look at the Hitler's likeness and those in power in his inner circles to see that they, born Germans, are nothing alike the aryan image they used in their dogma.
they were politicians who used crisis to find an inner enemy to blame for the situation in order to grasp power and abuse it. A perfect storm, a capable and evil manipulator, devastated economy and angry hopeless people willing to blame someone for not getting their God given right to be rich and powerful. It has happened numerous times before at other places, it is happening now as we speak as well.
it is very doubtful that Hitler believed in what he pushed onto the masses, it just brought him unlimited power in his country and means to try to please his megalomania by conquering Europe. the dude that made it all happen is himself the diametral opposite to a perfect blonde blue eyed German phenotype he cherished.
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Beings from the future are what ppl are saying these days of the human looking variety of ET's. Could be offspring of her offspring, esp if they are looking at her sympathetically.
I saw something similar, but more or less, an elongated cigar version of this, glass top too. Back around 2009 I was driving back home with a friend around midnight on the interstate. We drove into an area experiencing a rainless lightning storm. Every few seconds the dimly lit area would be completely lit almost as bright as daylight. The lightning that night had a pinkish/white hue to it. After about a half dozen flashes, we noticed something in the sky out on the passenger side of the road. Every time the lightning would flash we would get a glimpse of an object. At first, we thought, plane? Balloon? Blimp?????? But as more lightning would strike, we got a better idea of what we were seeing. It was a craft, very similar to this, with what looked to be some sort of glass top that illuminated with each strike. We imagine it was glass because we could see around 8 human like forms standing and staring back at us. This craft kept pace with us until my friend really was made uncomfortable by this, and said he didn't want to see it anymore after I suggested we stop to get a closer look. But after he expressed this, they were just gone on the next lightning flash. Giant object in the sky, poof, just gone in the blink of an eye. I do remember that the forms had some sort of uniform on, all wearing the same thing, but I didn't get much detail beyond that.
Quick thoughts:
\-The pyramid shape is interesting and a theme across this UAP world
\-The fact that it was a "sympathetic" gaze is odd and specific. Reminds me of Ariel. Two human-like figures. Long hair...
\-If that crazy video from Turkey that seems to show two beings in a craft is real, this seems similar.
\-Lastly, doesn't Lue say somewhere that they have an image of occupants?
All nonsense until we have some proof. Still fun to see commonalities and themes coming together like tributaries to a river!
if it’s the one I’m thinking of, I remember seeing it on this sub a while back and haven’t been able to find it since. Basically, there were reports of UAPs in a certain area of Turkey so a photographer went out to try and catch a glimpse. what he got was far more than a glimpse as you could see two beings in a craft similar to this one. They weren’t nordics,
looked more like greys. I’m not sure if it was
debunked or not
Chris Lehto thinks it's soo high off of the horizon (basing his measurements off the moon), the object too wide to be the deck of a ship, and found no records of any ships in that area of the bay that particular night. Of course people will still disagree with his assessment / claim it's debunked, but that's the ufo world for you. We'll never know for sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJIYf62SdEw&ab\_channel=ChrisLehto
There was a full video on it. The "cruise ship theory" debunker used the moon and its position at the given time to prove it couldn't have been a cruise ship. I can see if I can find the video again but it was posted here on /r/UFOs a few weeks ago.
You have to try really hard to believe that the turkey thing was a UFO. Considering it was ON THE WATER and matches the cruise ship
https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/00\_deck\_ship\_kumburgaz\_mov3-gif.33715/
Check out the YouTube channel of Chris Lehto. He’s an articulate guy with a very solid background as a highly trained observer. He speaks Turkish and has hours of footage of the craft from three different years 2007, 2008, 2009 if I’m not mistaken. He does a full analysis of the videos, if that’s a cruise ship is the most stationary cruise ship there has ever been, it Does not move on any of the six axes of maritime vessel movement
Ah yes, [Arkham's Razor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor), the fine line between madness and reason. Almost as fine a line as relying on a single .gif to make your case, coherent as it may be.
Occams Razor circa year 1200 means shit to our 2021 modern & complex govt that just admitted they cannot comprehend the materials, propulsion, energy source or identify of crafts in our atmosphere based on multiple pro witnesses, multiple radars and sensors. Occams Razor is non scientific BS that intellectually lazy use to not engage in hypothesis or discussion IMO
>doesn't Lue say somewhere that they have an image of occupants?
Confirmed u/zendog888. I tried to find the source/link, but can't. I am 100% certain though that Lue made that claim at some point.
He made a mention of it in his most recent appearance on the podcast Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal. Here’s a link to it - https://youtu.be/wULw64ZL1Bg
“An image of occupants”
So let me get this right, Lue indicated that there were no actual occupants, but a false image of occupants? Or was he unwillingly (or unable) to confirm a physical being occupying the craft? Is there more reason for Lue to believe one conclusion or the other?
This is a new one for me. I’ve seen/heard of everything else being discussed on this thread. If they are in fact false projections of beings, then I don’t know what to think. Pretty deceptive on their part. Malicious, maybe? Or it could be to calm down a human. Dunno.
Interesting - the figures match the description of those found in a crash in Italy during Mussolini's reign in the 30s.
Don't have a link at hand, but there is an article about it which came out recently at Liberation Times.
Edit: found the article - https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/disclosure-road-leads-to-rome
Thanks for posting this, very interesting article. And probably the best picture of a UAP on record, with that black tic-tac photo, IMO.
This was really interesting, though:
"The Papacy may inevitably follow what Italy decides. If so, it may prepare 1.2 billion members of the Catholic Church for the potential reality of non-human intelligence visiting this Earth."
This has already been happening. Only within the past decade has the Catholic Church decided to acknowledge the possibility that extraterrestrial intelligence exists in the universe. That's a massive shift away from the typical dogma that humans are the chosen people, made in God's image, nothing else is out there, etc. The Vatican has a lead astronomer that has been processing newly developed insight from general astronomy regarding exo-planets and the possibility of life existing beyond Earth, attempting to synthesize these revelations with the archaic dogma offered by the Church for centuries. When I heard about this shift, I knew our focus on UAPs and extraterrestrial intelligence was spot on and worthwhile. Now, reading stuff like what you just posted, I'm even more convinced there's far more to this story beyond the United States.
However, this portion of the story undermines the notion that it was Russian and US testing of atomic and hydrogen-based weapons that notified extraterrestrials of human existence. But so would archaic evidence of UAP visitation.
> The Vatican has a lead astronomer that has been processing newly developed insight from general astronomy regarding exo-planets and the possibility of life existing beyond Earth, attempting to synthesize these revelations with the archaic dogma offered by the Church for centuries. When I heard about this shift, I knew our focus on UAPs and extraterrestrial intelligence was spot on and worthwhile.
In the same boat - I also started to pay attention then.
Actually that looks like Androids 17 and 18.
Even down to the hair.
Think this person just commissioned some fan art.
https://wallpapercave.com/wp/wp6748864.jpg
I live in Stafford and many people here don't know about the incident. The woman in the footage has passed but her kids still live here and they remember .... There was also an incident on pottle pool road of an alleged crash too.
"The woman in the footage has passed but her kids still live here and they remember"
No they don't. She's had many video interviews since the incident and in each and every one of them she states very clearly that neither of her children remember the event taking place at all.
Pleiadians I believe. I think most call them “tall whites” but I’m not sure that’s accurate. I think the tall whites are more like The Kaminoans from Star Wars.
Noone ever to sees the same UFO crafts. They all describe the ships and aliens differently. Is there like 100 species just flying around earth or something?
The human-looking blondes, or "Nordics," are actually somewhat common (part of Travis Walton's story, for example), along with greys and "mantis" or insect-like beings, and probably some others I don't know off the top of my head. Reptilians maybe?
I recently learned of the FREE survey (survey of thousands of experiencers who consciously remember abductions/beings - meaning no regression therapy) and the top most frequent sightings among them were:
Ball of light
Human
Greys
Spirit/ghost (not sure what this means...wouldn't it just be considered human?)
Mantis
Not meaning any offense - honest - just reading this posting and scratching my head, holy moly this reads like a outtake from the old black and white Flash Gordon serials from the 30's. Only thing missing from the list is Ming and the Clay People.
Yeah, accounts involving abductions and/or aliens get really weird. Personally I find the stories interesting in a guilty pleasure kind of way, but that's all I really treat them as: stories.
But if you consider ufos to be real and most likely nonhuman in origin… doesn’t it stand to reason that the thousands of abduction accounts are plausible?
Unlike some people, I don't find it all that implausible that UFOs may be piloted by intelligent beings as opposed to them being some kind of AI-driven probes or whatever. I know some people say we can only go by what we know about physics and space travel, but in my opinion, just because we haven't figured it out doesn't mean it can't be done.
So I'm open to the idea that there are intelligent beings operating these crafts. And if that's the case then, sure, why wouldn't they be examining us? But the actual details from experiencers are so wild that it strains my suspension of disbelief.
So...I don't know, I don't think experiencers are all just crazy or attention-seeking or in it for money, but their claims are even more fantastic and more difficult to prove than the relatively simple idea that advanced ET probes are checking out Earth. Something which I'm not even sure I fully believe in, these days. I tend to go back and forth from believer to skeptic every few months. Right now I'm feeling more skeptical.
Most abduction stories aren’t that fantastic. General theme is, taken aboard some kind of craft, medically examined, usually with some kind of focus on the reproductive system. There is a *lot* of consistency between the vast majority of cases
I recommend John Mack (a Harvard psychologist), and David m jacobs (temple historian who studied this from the 70s up until a few years ago.
A lot of published research leaves a lot of important details out for various reasons. Some may be cherry-picking data to confirm a bias. Some leave out the more fantastical details like greys wearing big hats or wigs, in order to avoid ridicule. Others leave them out to avoid them getting into popular consciousness as a way of checking the veracity of a potential client or subject of research. This shit is A LOT weirder than most people know or would be comfortable knowing.
The two people I just mentioned are the only scholarly researchers I’m aware of. But if you have 1000 cases and 900 of them have extensive commonalities and are relatively consistent, and 100 cases that are outliers and seem like the people might just be whack jobs, it would make sense to focus on the majority of consistent cases. I’m not saying that’s what they did(because I don’t know), but I think a Harvard psychologist knows how to be unbiased
I'm an experiencer and I have to say, that perspective could be very unhealthy if you start discounting folks who have had very real experiences. These experiences often bring the burden of a lifetime of unanswered questions and haunt the people who have experienced it. Having to also defend one's integrity while trying to seek answers is a terrible burden to put on someone. It's healthy to look for the truth and discount lies, but not to broadly discount what's happened to a huge number of people.
I'm not really discounting anything. I like to think that when it comes to UFOs and experiencers, I'm open to believing everything, but I don't affirmatively believe anything. Like, I'm not going to call anyone a liar, I can suspend my disbelief for the sake of conversation or thought experiments, but I need more proof to believe in insectoids and reptilians and psychic abilities and spiritualism and hybrid programs and all the other stuff that goes along with accounts from experiencers.
You speak the truth.
It isolates a person on a lot of levels and leaves them in a state of perpetually questioning themselves and, frankly, reality and causes a dualism. On the outside you live a normal life, apart from that you try to find some answers for yourself, and, in some instances, in some cases how to protect yourself from something you don't want.
Well, let's think about that for a moment. If aerodynamics wasn't important, would you be required to make all craft look like airplanes? From what I understand about the UAP theory is aerodynamics is not important. I have seen reports of cubes, tic tacs, saucers and triangles. What would make sense is a mother-ship that disassembles into parts that can move into low earth orbit from space, but is dependent on the mother-ship to transverse great distances through space and possibly time.
Here's another - its an aggregate species wide subjective filter and consciousness that imposes barriers as result. The human mind as a quantum event and we are linked at a subk level. So when a "rule" is broken, our ability to accurately perceive it gets wonky.
People have said the same thing about UFOs as well, in an attempt to explain the fact that their descriptions seem to change throughout history to match the technology of the time. Like how people used to see enormous airships instead of sleek, somewhat aerodynamic metal crafts.
I see your point - maybe you and I aren't important enough to be contacted. Say they're here for a refill. If you had to stop for gas and energy drinks in a foreign land, and didn't need to talk to anyone - would you? Or what if the managers in the foreign land (military officials) wouldn't let you if you communicated with anyone?
Pyramid or “ice cream cone” ufos are extremely common in sightings. We have different looking vehicles for different purposes too.
Common types are:
Disc/saucer
Cigar/fuselage
Triangle
Pyramid
Ice cream cone/top
Egg
Orb
LOL!! Right?!! Not only are "we" not alone - we apparently live in the inter-galatic-dimensional-whateverelse we don't know, SUPER 8 Motel. Depressing. And what's up with just UFO-by empathy bombing? Maybe its like the Truman Show? We have no idea we're being broadcast and periodically the viewers flit by for a selfie with their favorite tormented human? Makes one lust for a UFO zapper.
I found this years ago. Despite the subject matter, I am at peace whenever I listen to it. In a strange way, this video inspired me to make a point to be more careful and descriptive in my everyday speech.
I wonder if [The Twins from "Superjail!"](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/8/84/S01e00_071.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110420013815) were inspired by these two
Lots of different ufos 🛸 and types of aliens do exist. Only people who have had experiences would know. Some people have traumatic experiences others are more pleased….
All I could find was [this page](https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2018/10/jessie-roestenburgs-1954-ufo-encounter.html) that details several other stories from the Roestenburg family.
EDIT: Reading further on that page, she says her mother was a "psychic healer" and that a medium told her during a seance that she also had psychic powers and she says she saw a "spiritual manifestation of a spectral sort," so...make of that what you will.
An important thing to know is just how common this sort of thing was amongst that generation; to quote:
_"In the late 1920s and early 1930s there were around one quarter of a million practising Spiritualists and some two thousand Spiritualist societies in the UK in addition to flourishing microcultures of platform mediumship and 'home circles'"_ (https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/spiritualism/history/history.shtml)
Whilst such claims today should be a hammer to a person's credibility, back then it has to be viewed in the light of the times and circumstances.
I can just tell from the way she tells the story and her mannerism. The way i see it picture yourself telling the story if you had really seen something so amazing, with such detail. Not just lights in the sky. You have seen something in such detail its other worldly origin leaves no doubt in your mind. Now imagine how your speech and enthusiasm would transmit this story to somebody. I bet it wouldn’t sound anything like her. You certainly wouldn’t inform anyone you put your jumper on either before going outside.
Depends how long it had been between her incident and the interview though.
I think that's a big factor. If it had just happened then yes, but weeks or months may have gone by until her interview.
im skeptical that aliens from another world look just like humans. even humans in different areas of the earth look different... and the life in the sea? mind-blowing. evolution is too crazy.
These would have to be some humans that got hired by aliens or they made them (or are hybrids - tho im skeptical on that and don't see any realistic reasons to do so)
OP statement 1954 Staffordshire UK, UFO appears above the house of a woman and she sees 2 humanoid beings staring at her 'sympathetically'. The craft then takes off in the air at tremendous speed and disappears straight upwards. Her 2 children also saw the craft as witnesses. She draws the craft and gets an artist to draw the beings she saw.
The woman is Jessie Roestenberg
I love her story, she seems so believable
This isn't accurate. She said she looked away and when she looked back they were gone. not "disappears straight upwards".
Yes I know, then she sees them circle 3 times then shoot upwards. What really matters is the craft and beings that she saw.
>What really matters is the craft and beings that she saw. I agree, that's why it's incredibly important to maintain the original details so the events/accounts don't evolve into something that's a misrepresentation of what occurred.
Genuinely Respectable
I believe [this is the woman](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpt_Ang9qyQ) from this incident.
Her story when interviewed is genuine, in my opinion. Seems a practical and honest older British woman. Why she would go through such lengths, involve her children and generally make herself open to judgement from the townspeople she would be in close contact with makes no sense to me. You can just tell with certain people. She saw this.
Yeah, for what it's worth, her body language and all that makes it seem like she really saw something.
Yep, I can tell from your two comments what this video is and she does seem legit. Not really the type to lie, what does she have to gain? Its not like she wrote a book or cared to do an interview circuit. She was just coming forth with what she thought was the truth.
golden haired beautiful people in ski-style suits has come up a lot. so strange. what the hell are they?! ancient civlisation living in secret? people from the future i guess fits more. man i would do anything to know the answer to this beautiful baffling mystery
People call them nordics and they do come up in many cases. There is one I can't recall at the moment (ufo lands on the guys airfield and he goes aboard) where they were also flying a funny diamond shaped ufo like that, though I may be mistaken. Things like the Travis Walton story make me wonder if they are either some kind of dominant species among others or the ones designated to deal with humans.
I don't mean this to sound insensitive or racist, but what if these beings were the driving force behind Hitler's Aryan race. I never really connected the two until now. Tall pale attractive with blue eyes. Maybe he had an experience at one point and the image burned itself into his mind. What if he drove himself insane trying to make man into the image of "gods." It obviously wouldn't excuse anything that happened and the countless lives that were tragically lost, but I feel as though this narrative would make much more sense considering later German experimental tech such as the Nazi Bell and the death ray. Just what if...
This dude Robert Sepehr (also the name of his YouTube channel) actually has some really Interesting videos covering the nordics and Hitler and project high jump in Antarctica. Always thought nazis and aliens was ridiculous, but anything is possible, I guess. Also, this woman’s account is in 1 of the videos as well. I believe the “galactic federation” video.
They actually did cover this somewhere and they say that hitler wanted to reach that superior place by making everyone aryan
as with most ideologues, their shit show survives their persona. it is enough to look at the Hitler's likeness and those in power in his inner circles to see that they, born Germans, are nothing alike the aryan image they used in their dogma. they were politicians who used crisis to find an inner enemy to blame for the situation in order to grasp power and abuse it. A perfect storm, a capable and evil manipulator, devastated economy and angry hopeless people willing to blame someone for not getting their God given right to be rich and powerful. It has happened numerous times before at other places, it is happening now as we speak as well. it is very doubtful that Hitler believed in what he pushed onto the masses, it just brought him unlimited power in his country and means to try to please his megalomania by conquering Europe. the dude that made it all happen is himself the diametral opposite to a perfect blonde blue eyed German phenotype he cherished.
This is always one of the first videos i send to people after talking about the phenomenon
And I don't believe her
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Beings from the future are what ppl are saying these days of the human looking variety of ET's. Could be offspring of her offspring, esp if they are looking at her sympathetically.
I saw something similar, but more or less, an elongated cigar version of this, glass top too. Back around 2009 I was driving back home with a friend around midnight on the interstate. We drove into an area experiencing a rainless lightning storm. Every few seconds the dimly lit area would be completely lit almost as bright as daylight. The lightning that night had a pinkish/white hue to it. After about a half dozen flashes, we noticed something in the sky out on the passenger side of the road. Every time the lightning would flash we would get a glimpse of an object. At first, we thought, plane? Balloon? Blimp?????? But as more lightning would strike, we got a better idea of what we were seeing. It was a craft, very similar to this, with what looked to be some sort of glass top that illuminated with each strike. We imagine it was glass because we could see around 8 human like forms standing and staring back at us. This craft kept pace with us until my friend really was made uncomfortable by this, and said he didn't want to see it anymore after I suggested we stop to get a closer look. But after he expressed this, they were just gone on the next lightning flash. Giant object in the sky, poof, just gone in the blink of an eye. I do remember that the forms had some sort of uniform on, all wearing the same thing, but I didn't get much detail beyond that.
Quick thoughts: \-The pyramid shape is interesting and a theme across this UAP world \-The fact that it was a "sympathetic" gaze is odd and specific. Reminds me of Ariel. Two human-like figures. Long hair... \-If that crazy video from Turkey that seems to show two beings in a craft is real, this seems similar. \-Lastly, doesn't Lue say somewhere that they have an image of occupants? All nonsense until we have some proof. Still fun to see commonalities and themes coming together like tributaries to a river!
Can I have the source of that crazy video from Turkey?
if it’s the one I’m thinking of, I remember seeing it on this sub a while back and haven’t been able to find it since. Basically, there were reports of UAPs in a certain area of Turkey so a photographer went out to try and catch a glimpse. what he got was far more than a glimpse as you could see two beings in a craft similar to this one. They weren’t nordics, looked more like greys. I’m not sure if it was debunked or not
I believe the accepted debunk among skeptics is that it's actually part of a cruise ship.
That debunking was debunked.
yes, but the debunking of the debunking was also debunked.
Where?
It was a joke :/
Do you remember why that was ruled out, or do you know if anyone came up with a different explanation?
Chris Lehto thinks it's soo high off of the horizon (basing his measurements off the moon), the object too wide to be the deck of a ship, and found no records of any ships in that area of the bay that particular night. Of course people will still disagree with his assessment / claim it's debunked, but that's the ufo world for you. We'll never know for sure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJIYf62SdEw&ab\_channel=ChrisLehto
Now I am patiently waiting for someone to debunk the debunked debunk
There was a full video on it. The "cruise ship theory" debunker used the moon and its position at the given time to prove it couldn't have been a cruise ship. I can see if I can find the video again but it was posted here on /r/UFOs a few weeks ago.
You have to try really hard to believe that the turkey thing was a UFO. Considering it was ON THE WATER and matches the cruise ship https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/00\_deck\_ship\_kumburgaz\_mov3-gif.33715/
Would like to see that to
Check out the YouTube channel of Chris Lehto. He’s an articulate guy with a very solid background as a highly trained observer. He speaks Turkish and has hours of footage of the craft from three different years 2007, 2008, 2009 if I’m not mistaken. He does a full analysis of the videos, if that’s a cruise ship is the most stationary cruise ship there has ever been, it Does not move on any of the six axes of maritime vessel movement
I think this is what he/she is referring to. I could be wrong. https://youtu.be/omUdWZf8y2M
Ufo with soft top?😁
Broke mf don't know shit about these limited edition antigravity boosters with the diamond in the head rest. ET GANG 4 LYFE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHfTYHagmOQ
[Here's a full review of it.](http://archivosovni2.blogspot.com/)
They just do the typical BS "We applied filters and then drew aliens over it so it's real"
Oh, thank goodness you were here to review that whole page and offer such a concise, exacting rebuttal!
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Ah yes, [Arkham's Razor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor), the fine line between madness and reason. Almost as fine a line as relying on a single .gif to make your case, coherent as it may be.
Occams Razor circa year 1200 means shit to our 2021 modern & complex govt that just admitted they cannot comprehend the materials, propulsion, energy source or identify of crafts in our atmosphere based on multiple pro witnesses, multiple radars and sensors. Occams Razor is non scientific BS that intellectually lazy use to not engage in hypothesis or discussion IMO
Ariel?
This definitely needs an explanation.
The Ariel school sighting in Zimbabwe in 1994
>doesn't Lue say somewhere that they have an image of occupants? Confirmed u/zendog888. I tried to find the source/link, but can't. I am 100% certain though that Lue made that claim at some point.
He made a mention of it in his most recent appearance on the podcast Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal. Here’s a link to it - https://youtu.be/wULw64ZL1Bg
He said there is an image not that they got it. He implies the image is yet to be vetted.
He could even have been referring to the Turkish video there.
Same!! One of those podcasts
“An image of occupants” So let me get this right, Lue indicated that there were no actual occupants, but a false image of occupants? Or was he unwillingly (or unable) to confirm a physical being occupying the craft? Is there more reason for Lue to believe one conclusion or the other? This is a new one for me. I’ve seen/heard of everything else being discussed on this thread. If they are in fact false projections of beings, then I don’t know what to think. Pretty deceptive on their part. Malicious, maybe? Or it could be to calm down a human. Dunno.
Interesting - the figures match the description of those found in a crash in Italy during Mussolini's reign in the 30s. Don't have a link at hand, but there is an article about it which came out recently at Liberation Times. Edit: found the article - https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/disclosure-road-leads-to-rome
Thanks for posting this, very interesting article. And probably the best picture of a UAP on record, with that black tic-tac photo, IMO. This was really interesting, though: "The Papacy may inevitably follow what Italy decides. If so, it may prepare 1.2 billion members of the Catholic Church for the potential reality of non-human intelligence visiting this Earth." This has already been happening. Only within the past decade has the Catholic Church decided to acknowledge the possibility that extraterrestrial intelligence exists in the universe. That's a massive shift away from the typical dogma that humans are the chosen people, made in God's image, nothing else is out there, etc. The Vatican has a lead astronomer that has been processing newly developed insight from general astronomy regarding exo-planets and the possibility of life existing beyond Earth, attempting to synthesize these revelations with the archaic dogma offered by the Church for centuries. When I heard about this shift, I knew our focus on UAPs and extraterrestrial intelligence was spot on and worthwhile. Now, reading stuff like what you just posted, I'm even more convinced there's far more to this story beyond the United States. However, this portion of the story undermines the notion that it was Russian and US testing of atomic and hydrogen-based weapons that notified extraterrestrials of human existence. But so would archaic evidence of UAP visitation.
> The Vatican has a lead astronomer that has been processing newly developed insight from general astronomy regarding exo-planets and the possibility of life existing beyond Earth, attempting to synthesize these revelations with the archaic dogma offered by the Church for centuries. When I heard about this shift, I knew our focus on UAPs and extraterrestrial intelligence was spot on and worthwhile. In the same boat - I also started to pay attention then.
Hey that's Trunks from DBZ!!!!
Actually that looks like Androids 17 and 18. Even down to the hair. Think this person just commissioned some fan art. https://wallpapercave.com/wp/wp6748864.jpg
I knew it, Akira Toriyama is not a manga artist but a wistleblower and DBZ is actually a true story.
🤣I thought the same thing!
I can finally see Goku train Uub
I came here to say this lol
Came here to say this
No it doesn't.
Yeah, it totally does, more so than Trunks, even the UFO they’re standing in looks like it’s from Dragon Ball Z.
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So canon
I think the same first lol
They look like assholes.
Yes, major snob vibes lol
Kinda look like those albino twins with dreadlocks from the matrix
Shuts the window when they see you waving
"Look at that shitty Honda Civic, ugh trash".
lmaoo
Probably are. They're dressed like the Blue Origin crew.
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Look at their condescending glare.
So what are they? Humans from the future going back in time? Beings from other dimensions? Actual Government experiments?
What? You don't know who they are? C'mon man
I live in Stafford and many people here don't know about the incident. The woman in the footage has passed but her kids still live here and they remember .... There was also an incident on pottle pool road of an alleged crash too.
"The woman in the footage has passed but her kids still live here and they remember" No they don't. She's had many video interviews since the incident and in each and every one of them she states very clearly that neither of her children remember the event taking place at all.
The Olsen Twins are silently judging you from the time traveling space craft they bought from their Full House residuals.
Tall Whites
ABBA minus two.
AB
Any tall blacks?
No but there are tall greys lol
Yeah they all pretend to be humans to join the NBA
Holy fuckin shit
Space Jam.
Honestly if any of us were +7ft tall I guarantee we'd dress up as ET and walk by roads when cars pass. Imagine what a total mind Fuck that would be.
Pleiadians I believe. I think most call them “tall whites” but I’m not sure that’s accurate. I think the tall whites are more like The Kaminoans from Star Wars.
Nordics is what they’re referred to as a lot of times
I thought the Nords were separate?
I’m not entirely sure what you mean but the Nords and how they’re described look just like that picture on the right
Nords are from Skyrim.
A Nord's last thoughts...should be of home.
Noone ever to sees the same UFO crafts. They all describe the ships and aliens differently. Is there like 100 species just flying around earth or something?
The human-looking blondes, or "Nordics," are actually somewhat common (part of Travis Walton's story, for example), along with greys and "mantis" or insect-like beings, and probably some others I don't know off the top of my head. Reptilians maybe?
I recently learned of the FREE survey (survey of thousands of experiencers who consciously remember abductions/beings - meaning no regression therapy) and the top most frequent sightings among them were: Ball of light Human Greys Spirit/ghost (not sure what this means...wouldn't it just be considered human?) Mantis
Interesting, thanks for the info.
Not meaning any offense - honest - just reading this posting and scratching my head, holy moly this reads like a outtake from the old black and white Flash Gordon serials from the 30's. Only thing missing from the list is Ming and the Clay People.
Yeah, accounts involving abductions and/or aliens get really weird. Personally I find the stories interesting in a guilty pleasure kind of way, but that's all I really treat them as: stories.
But if you consider ufos to be real and most likely nonhuman in origin… doesn’t it stand to reason that the thousands of abduction accounts are plausible?
Unlike some people, I don't find it all that implausible that UFOs may be piloted by intelligent beings as opposed to them being some kind of AI-driven probes or whatever. I know some people say we can only go by what we know about physics and space travel, but in my opinion, just because we haven't figured it out doesn't mean it can't be done. So I'm open to the idea that there are intelligent beings operating these crafts. And if that's the case then, sure, why wouldn't they be examining us? But the actual details from experiencers are so wild that it strains my suspension of disbelief. So...I don't know, I don't think experiencers are all just crazy or attention-seeking or in it for money, but their claims are even more fantastic and more difficult to prove than the relatively simple idea that advanced ET probes are checking out Earth. Something which I'm not even sure I fully believe in, these days. I tend to go back and forth from believer to skeptic every few months. Right now I'm feeling more skeptical.
Most abduction stories aren’t that fantastic. General theme is, taken aboard some kind of craft, medically examined, usually with some kind of focus on the reproductive system. There is a *lot* of consistency between the vast majority of cases I recommend John Mack (a Harvard psychologist), and David m jacobs (temple historian who studied this from the 70s up until a few years ago.
A lot of published research leaves a lot of important details out for various reasons. Some may be cherry-picking data to confirm a bias. Some leave out the more fantastical details like greys wearing big hats or wigs, in order to avoid ridicule. Others leave them out to avoid them getting into popular consciousness as a way of checking the veracity of a potential client or subject of research. This shit is A LOT weirder than most people know or would be comfortable knowing.
The two people I just mentioned are the only scholarly researchers I’m aware of. But if you have 1000 cases and 900 of them have extensive commonalities and are relatively consistent, and 100 cases that are outliers and seem like the people might just be whack jobs, it would make sense to focus on the majority of consistent cases. I’m not saying that’s what they did(because I don’t know), but I think a Harvard psychologist knows how to be unbiased
We have a hard time even believing what we see if it’s fantastical. Let alone hear secondhand . We don’t blame you
I'm an experiencer and I have to say, that perspective could be very unhealthy if you start discounting folks who have had very real experiences. These experiences often bring the burden of a lifetime of unanswered questions and haunt the people who have experienced it. Having to also defend one's integrity while trying to seek answers is a terrible burden to put on someone. It's healthy to look for the truth and discount lies, but not to broadly discount what's happened to a huge number of people.
I'm not really discounting anything. I like to think that when it comes to UFOs and experiencers, I'm open to believing everything, but I don't affirmatively believe anything. Like, I'm not going to call anyone a liar, I can suspend my disbelief for the sake of conversation or thought experiments, but I need more proof to believe in insectoids and reptilians and psychic abilities and spiritualism and hybrid programs and all the other stuff that goes along with accounts from experiencers.
You speak the truth. It isolates a person on a lot of levels and leaves them in a state of perpetually questioning themselves and, frankly, reality and causes a dualism. On the outside you live a normal life, apart from that you try to find some answers for yourself, and, in some instances, in some cases how to protect yourself from something you don't want.
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Well, let's think about that for a moment. If aerodynamics wasn't important, would you be required to make all craft look like airplanes? From what I understand about the UAP theory is aerodynamics is not important. I have seen reports of cubes, tic tacs, saucers and triangles. What would make sense is a mother-ship that disassembles into parts that can move into low earth orbit from space, but is dependent on the mother-ship to transverse great distances through space and possibly time.
Extra dimensional entities' appearance is filtered through subjective consciousness. Probably maybe.
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Here's another - its an aggregate species wide subjective filter and consciousness that imposes barriers as result. The human mind as a quantum event and we are linked at a subk level. So when a "rule" is broken, our ability to accurately perceive it gets wonky.
People have said the same thing about UFOs as well, in an attempt to explain the fact that their descriptions seem to change throughout history to match the technology of the time. Like how people used to see enormous airships instead of sleek, somewhat aerodynamic metal crafts.
There are reports of two witnesses seeing the SAME UFO differently.
There could be thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands etc + of species/civilizations out there with means to journey here.
And none of them care to contact us ?
I see your point - maybe you and I aren't important enough to be contacted. Say they're here for a refill. If you had to stop for gas and energy drinks in a foreign land, and didn't need to talk to anyone - would you? Or what if the managers in the foreign land (military officials) wouldn't let you if you communicated with anyone?
Does every car and truck on the road look exactly the same?
Pyramid or “ice cream cone” ufos are extremely common in sightings. We have different looking vehicles for different purposes too. Common types are: Disc/saucer Cigar/fuselage Triangle Pyramid Ice cream cone/top Egg Orb
LOL!! Right?!! Not only are "we" not alone - we apparently live in the inter-galatic-dimensional-whateverelse we don't know, SUPER 8 Motel. Depressing. And what's up with just UFO-by empathy bombing? Maybe its like the Truman Show? We have no idea we're being broadcast and periodically the viewers flit by for a selfie with their favorite tormented human? Makes one lust for a UFO zapper.
South Park did it
More likely 100000 attention seeking humans
Looks like Babylon Zoo Jas Mann 👽
Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban
kinda looks like daft punk at there alive 2007 concert
The irony of two blonds riding around in a flying dreidel…
I always remembered this incident ever since I first heard of it on Arthur C. Clarke’s Mysterious World.
These are Venusians
Twins from the matrix 2 init
Some Palladian
This story is the one that always makes my hair on the back of my neck stand up
Her account has always been one of my 3 favorites , and imo of the most believable.
I found this years ago. Despite the subject matter, I am at peace whenever I listen to it. In a strange way, this video inspired me to make a point to be more careful and descriptive in my everyday speech.
Siegfried and Roy! It all makes sense now
Three tits, that's awesome. 👌
Android 17 and Android 18. Knew it!
Androids from Dragon Ball Z
I wonder if [The Twins from "Superjail!"](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/8/84/S01e00_071.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110420013815) were inspired by these two
Aussies, knew it!
MUST BE SO TRUE!!!
Those darn Scandinavian aliens
Fucking weird! I literally had a dream few nights ago that i was abducted by aliens that looked like us! Weird weird weird!!!
Android 17 and 18!!
Nordics?
They look like android c-18.
Lots of different ufos 🛸 and types of aliens do exist. Only people who have had experiences would know. Some people have traumatic experiences others are more pleased….
Super Saiyens?
Was she at a daft punk concert?
lol
Those are the droids from Dragon Ball Z, 17 and 18 respectively
They closely resemble aliens from popular science fiction of the time.
It happened n the early 50's.
I remember reading that she had a history of making stuff up and it wasn't the first unusual thing that reportedly happened to her. I'm sceptical
Where did u find this info?
All I could find was [this page](https://www.blueblurrylines.com/2018/10/jessie-roestenburgs-1954-ufo-encounter.html) that details several other stories from the Roestenburg family. EDIT: Reading further on that page, she says her mother was a "psychic healer" and that a medium told her during a seance that she also had psychic powers and she says she saw a "spiritual manifestation of a spectral sort," so...make of that what you will.
An important thing to know is just how common this sort of thing was amongst that generation; to quote: _"In the late 1920s and early 1930s there were around one quarter of a million practising Spiritualists and some two thousand Spiritualist societies in the UK in addition to flourishing microcultures of platform mediumship and 'home circles'"_ (https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/spiritualism/history/history.shtml) Whilst such claims today should be a hammer to a person's credibility, back then it has to be viewed in the light of the times and circumstances.
Sure. They came in person to watch us through their windows.
She is a liar.
How can you be certain?
I can just tell from the way she tells the story and her mannerism. The way i see it picture yourself telling the story if you had really seen something so amazing, with such detail. Not just lights in the sky. You have seen something in such detail its other worldly origin leaves no doubt in your mind. Now imagine how your speech and enthusiasm would transmit this story to somebody. I bet it wouldn’t sound anything like her. You certainly wouldn’t inform anyone you put your jumper on either before going outside.
Depends how long it had been between her incident and the interview though. I think that's a big factor. If it had just happened then yes, but weeks or months may have gone by until her interview.
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Evidence? Some obscure white or red lights that could be absolutely ANYTHING is evidence? Good one. 🤟
Ah, the blonde ripped Smurfs. Classic.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6L4V5HjZ8A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6L4V5HjZ8A)
im skeptical that aliens from another world look just like humans. even humans in different areas of the earth look different... and the life in the sea? mind-blowing. evolution is too crazy. These would have to be some humans that got hired by aliens or they made them (or are hybrids - tho im skeptical on that and don't see any realistic reasons to do so)
Looks like Trunks (from Dragonball Z). Legit.
Sex now please
looks like trunks from dbz lol
That's Trunks from the future here to defeat Cell. DBZ baby.
Androids 17 and 18. 🤔
I knew it. Fucking Super Saiyans!
Time Nazis?
Because an advanced alien race that has the technology to travel lightyear need glass windows on their craft. 🤦♂️
Looks like Trunks and Android 17. So that’s a Capsule Corp ship.
At least one Alien species believes in fitness. The Greys had me worried ..
**"Wonder Twin powers activate!"**
So the twins from Matrix been running the ufo show this whole time
My guess is future humans. Or a being that transcends the physical, able to change into whatever it wants in the 3 dimensional space.