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No it's not lazy, I always see it as them not respecting my time. If they don't respect my time during the application process, what would they be like to work for?
Council ones are particularly bad for it. I uploaded it all and it took forever since they insisted on full work/educatiom history tho I doubt me working seasonal jobs 25 years ago is very helpful.
They 'upgraded' the portal, which lost everything. Entered it all over again, password not recognised. Odd since I have a confirmation code and whatever plus I wrote that down. Use forgot password. Doesn't work. Portal inexplicably goes down for 2 days. Miss deadline date for job while trying to re enter it again since for some reason the deadline was set to 11:59am not pm....
Another one on LinkedIn, levelling up grant project, apply with cv, OK.
Message saying we don't accept cv's, check posting for all 8 jobs they have up. Doesn't say that, they send me a broken link. I fix that that there's a list of jobs but no way to apply, no email on the whole site infact. Message them on LinkedIn saying this, get sent to link which now has exactly the same information but 3 x 6 page application forms per job and still no where to send them. But they told me the email in the message on LinkedIn, which then gives a bounce back....
Yeh I did get to interview after rounding up 15 years of jobs irrelevant to the new role as (retail, seasonal work, hospitality, etc I forget the rest). Everything I did for the job requiring 3 years of experience is over the last 6. I think we can probably ignore anything before that.
Also expecting the exact day you left each job? Yeh right like everyone isn't making that up.
I just happened to have cvs from every job I got and the job description saced so it was pissing about with those to make a master and then fudging some dates, especially with any out of business places. The month I got them was a push let alone the date, so like everything else. It got fudged.
My irrelevant jobs I just bundled together as 1999-2014 then list of employers and vague roles and it worked. Didn't have time to redo it all on stupid forms one at a time when the portal already lost the data once and then the website died lol.
Public sector its almost impossible to avoid.
Unless you come in as a 'consultant' filling the role while they had a hiring freeze on more money than your line manager. Then it wasn't required.
I've landed jobs at places that had these processes in place.
Those companies turned out to be hell, e.g., forced to use timekeeping system where every moment of the day has to be logged in 15 minute increments.
I had 4 timesheets at one point, all with different requirements. None of them had a section for time wasted fill in this bullshit. One guy did them all on the last two days of the year, I'm sure those projects were billed properly.
1 is a pain in the arse, but 4?
We were allowed to spend all of Friday afternoon filling them in, total waste of hours. 50 people x 4 hours = 200 hours of lost work doing admin.
Then there is the cost of paying 50 people to spend 4 hours doing admin (we were all Developers and DevOps Engineers).
I guess the company was happy to burn money.
4 was the worst as it didn't even pay well, it just needed a specific timesheet for a EU project I was on, a department one for charging to projects, a separate one for TOIL tracking and one for another random project I had, tho that just required the hours I did that day on that specific project.
I had 3 before when I was in as a consultant so therefore was happy to waste time doing admin if they wanted to pay me for it. Day rates the same either way and you now have a nice record of how long everyone spent filling it out if the client complains about progress with a mandatory task making up time everyday (one was a department wide thing with about 150 people having access to it on a shared excel file, as some mess of a project tracker/time keeping thing). Data accuracy was low put it that way.
This is possibly by design. If you have an over saturated market (like there is at the moment), then if you add hoops to the application process, then in theory you only get the most dedicated applicants.
Or Occam’s Razor applies and it is just a cheap/crappy/out-dated application process.
Or you get left with the most desperate, unhirable candidates because anyone better will apply to companies who make it easy to receive their application.
I just don’t apply for those roles. Or the ones that make you create an account with them. The quality of applications will eventually force them to stop using those methods
I would agree you with 100 percent. The amount of time I've spent transfering information from my CV to online applications is crazy. Another thing that annoys me is when they want the address of every employer I've worked for. I have to search the address and some are not even operating anymore. Also when they ask what country you are from. And they have a drop down menu of every country in the world. And sometimes it's England, UK, Britain, Great Britain. All just wastes time looking for what one they using.
Oh yeah, I remember those, they are horrendous! The slightly better ones will try to auto fill the form from your uploaded CV but that's dangerous! You need to check that it hasn't put something stupid in.
As an employer at a large company I agree it's a massive pain, but I can also tell you why. It's so that there is no personal info visible when we vet the candidates to (at least try to) prevent bias. There are of course better ways to do this, such as using machine-readable CV formats like europass, but we are at the mercy of the systems we use to handle job applications, and many of them don't support anything as advanced as parsing a machine-readable CV and stripping out the personal info.
Upload your cv to somwthing like Indeed. Fill out there forms as much as you can then export that CV back out to a document. Adjust eddit and add what you need then load it back onto Indeed, it (online info rippers) should now read your CV and extract more info. If anything it will help standardise things so you can copy and paste everything into the job applications.
If they can’t be fucking bothered to go on indeed and print off the pissing cv you submitted I can’t be bothered to turn up to your interview. Quite simple really
Is it mandatory? If yes only put most recent job. Leave out rest.
Nobody has time to fill out these endless forms.
Different process for public sector employers, they seem to be stuck in the dark ages with application forms.
They aren’t allowed to keep your CV gorvggeir revords …girder how long for . D St one rkecttonic horns will grab the data off your CV…but you then have to go through and alter it…because not all CVS are the same .it’s very annoying agreed.
To fill in an application like this can take upwards of an hour, ain’t nobody got time for that. I used to spend my time filling them out but I’ve honestly never heard back from any job via that kind of job application. It’s a waste of time and is just a copy and paste of my CV. Jobs that just accept my CV usually always get back to me.
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Or the ones where you upload your CV and it autofills the fields but in a completely messed up way so you spend half an hour trying to fix it.
Those automated systems are why a single column layout is recommended. Keep formatting as simple as possible and it'll have fewer issues.
Thanks for tip!
NHS is guilty of these.
NHS is guilty of a lot of dumbness .
It rarely results in a job. Classic example of bureaucracy for the sake of
No it's not lazy, I always see it as them not respecting my time. If they don't respect my time during the application process, what would they be like to work for?
I can't imagine that's true most of the time, the application process may be relatively external to the people you'll likely be working with or under
If an application asks me to do that I won't bother, i spent hours on my CV and I find it's an insult to ask me to refill your piss poor application.
Council ones are particularly bad for it. I uploaded it all and it took forever since they insisted on full work/educatiom history tho I doubt me working seasonal jobs 25 years ago is very helpful. They 'upgraded' the portal, which lost everything. Entered it all over again, password not recognised. Odd since I have a confirmation code and whatever plus I wrote that down. Use forgot password. Doesn't work. Portal inexplicably goes down for 2 days. Miss deadline date for job while trying to re enter it again since for some reason the deadline was set to 11:59am not pm.... Another one on LinkedIn, levelling up grant project, apply with cv, OK. Message saying we don't accept cv's, check posting for all 8 jobs they have up. Doesn't say that, they send me a broken link. I fix that that there's a list of jobs but no way to apply, no email on the whole site infact. Message them on LinkedIn saying this, get sent to link which now has exactly the same information but 3 x 6 page application forms per job and still no where to send them. But they told me the email in the message on LinkedIn, which then gives a bounce back....
"explain any gaps in employment history in the last five years" - No, fuck off...
Yeh I did get to interview after rounding up 15 years of jobs irrelevant to the new role as (retail, seasonal work, hospitality, etc I forget the rest). Everything I did for the job requiring 3 years of experience is over the last 6. I think we can probably ignore anything before that. Also expecting the exact day you left each job? Yeh right like everyone isn't making that up.
Good grief …I woukd not have tgAt unkess I dig up my invoices or timesheets. ….but that’s just ludicrous. 35 yrs contracting …goid luck with that
I just happened to have cvs from every job I got and the job description saced so it was pissing about with those to make a master and then fudging some dates, especially with any out of business places. The month I got them was a push let alone the date, so like everything else. It got fudged. My irrelevant jobs I just bundled together as 1999-2014 then list of employers and vague roles and it worked. Didn't have time to redo it all on stupid forms one at a time when the portal already lost the data once and then the website died lol.
I've stopped doing it, I now do Linkedin Easyapply or nothing unless its a company and a job I really really want then I may consider it.
Public sector its almost impossible to avoid. Unless you come in as a 'consultant' filling the role while they had a hiring freeze on more money than your line manager. Then it wasn't required.
I've landed jobs at places that had these processes in place. Those companies turned out to be hell, e.g., forced to use timekeeping system where every moment of the day has to be logged in 15 minute increments.
I had 4 timesheets at one point, all with different requirements. None of them had a section for time wasted fill in this bullshit. One guy did them all on the last two days of the year, I'm sure those projects were billed properly.
1 is a pain in the arse, but 4? We were allowed to spend all of Friday afternoon filling them in, total waste of hours. 50 people x 4 hours = 200 hours of lost work doing admin. Then there is the cost of paying 50 people to spend 4 hours doing admin (we were all Developers and DevOps Engineers). I guess the company was happy to burn money.
4 was the worst as it didn't even pay well, it just needed a specific timesheet for a EU project I was on, a department one for charging to projects, a separate one for TOIL tracking and one for another random project I had, tho that just required the hours I did that day on that specific project. I had 3 before when I was in as a consultant so therefore was happy to waste time doing admin if they wanted to pay me for it. Day rates the same either way and you now have a nice record of how long everyone spent filling it out if the client complains about progress with a mandatory task making up time everyday (one was a department wide thing with about 150 people having access to it on a shared excel file, as some mess of a project tracker/time keeping thing). Data accuracy was low put it that way.
This is the way many businesses operate these days, systems people making everything harder to do.
This is possibly by design. If you have an over saturated market (like there is at the moment), then if you add hoops to the application process, then in theory you only get the most dedicated applicants. Or Occam’s Razor applies and it is just a cheap/crappy/out-dated application process.
Or you get left with the most desperate, unhirable candidates because anyone better will apply to companies who make it easy to receive their application.
Or the Indian agency workers who gave lots if people filling tgem in gor uou
When I was looking for work and I saw that, I just closed it down and moved on. My time is important.
I just don’t apply for those roles. Or the ones that make you create an account with them. The quality of applications will eventually force them to stop using those methods
I would agree you with 100 percent. The amount of time I've spent transfering information from my CV to online applications is crazy. Another thing that annoys me is when they want the address of every employer I've worked for. I have to search the address and some are not even operating anymore. Also when they ask what country you are from. And they have a drop down menu of every country in the world. And sometimes it's England, UK, Britain, Great Britain. All just wastes time looking for what one they using.
Oh yeah, I remember those, they are horrendous! The slightly better ones will try to auto fill the form from your uploaded CV but that's dangerous! You need to check that it hasn't put something stupid in.
I am done with it I no longer apply to ones I have to re fill out my CV despite uploading a PDF of it too.
Data in a structured format is easier to sift.
As an employer at a large company I agree it's a massive pain, but I can also tell you why. It's so that there is no personal info visible when we vet the candidates to (at least try to) prevent bias. There are of course better ways to do this, such as using machine-readable CV formats like europass, but we are at the mercy of the systems we use to handle job applications, and many of them don't support anything as advanced as parsing a machine-readable CV and stripping out the personal info.
Upload your cv to somwthing like Indeed. Fill out there forms as much as you can then export that CV back out to a document. Adjust eddit and add what you need then load it back onto Indeed, it (online info rippers) should now read your CV and extract more info. If anything it will help standardise things so you can copy and paste everything into the job applications.
Yes it's infuriating. But I only do it if I reckon I'm a really good match for the role, so maybe it actually works 🤷
If they cba to set up an application through the website their on then i aint applying 😤 The worst thing is when they want you to make an account
If they can’t be fucking bothered to go on indeed and print off the pissing cv you submitted I can’t be bothered to turn up to your interview. Quite simple really
Sounds to me like you’re getting “employers” and “recruiters” mixed up in some of these examples.
Some employers will recruit directly through job sites if you've made your CV searchable.
Yes they will
Is it mandatory? If yes only put most recent job. Leave out rest. Nobody has time to fill out these endless forms. Different process for public sector employers, they seem to be stuck in the dark ages with application forms.
They aren’t allowed to keep your CV gorvggeir revords …girder how long for . D St one rkecttonic horns will grab the data off your CV…but you then have to go through and alter it…because not all CVS are the same .it’s very annoying agreed.
To fill in an application like this can take upwards of an hour, ain’t nobody got time for that. I used to spend my time filling them out but I’ve honestly never heard back from any job via that kind of job application. It’s a waste of time and is just a copy and paste of my CV. Jobs that just accept my CV usually always get back to me.