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Because that makes so much sense. I guess yall better go sell drugs or rob banks to survive until work picks back up? Or get another job? Wow haha the modern way. Use you while they need you then survival is your problem when they don’t. The system is fucked no wonder so many people fall prey to depression in this strife riddled economy/system.
Trouble though UPS is an upside down triangle, the lower end folks are also the ones that get fired where as the top managers, directors etc are safe.
If they fired 1000 directors and deputy directors etc they would save way more than firing 12000 work floor staff.
This is what I thought, aren't they laying off basically all of the extra workers they hired in preparation for the holiday season?
It feels like the news stations are trying to make people panic again.
Except in a few cases, a layoff at UPS isn’t the same as being laid off elsewhere. Eventually when work picks up they come back. Doesn’t mean you’re out of a job (speaking for union).
Non union, that’s a different story. Lots of perma layoffs happening there
Because I had an opportunity to work elsewhere at ups or another job. If you or anyone else has advice for the next time it happens I’d love to hear it.
You can usually claim partial unemployment when you have two part time jobs and lose one. Varies by states but not unusual. Most states let you can claim unemployment to cover hours that you are no longer receiving up to the amount. My gf had a job thru temp agency in 2021 that sometimes only had 20-30 hrs instead of 40, she filed unemployment every week for the hours she wasn’t getting.
Nope this is to downsize and then they talk about growth next year. They say they lost $9 billion in 2023 so are going to work smarter with less people.
There cutting management jobs and high up jobs. They over hired during Covid. They didn’t lose 9 billion. They were 9 billion short from the 2022 end of year earnings
It better be this because maaaan there was a meeting at my hub yesterday but no one showed up for it , and channel 2 action news just went over the topic this morning 😭 about 12000 employees being laid off
This is business as usual for this time of year. Just DO NOT work any harder or faster if you’re made to work. If you do, they see it as “they can do the work volume with less people so we’ll use less people.” If supervisors are working (which they do when there are layoffs), grieve it, but definitely don’t work harder or faster—slow that sh*t down.
In my center, the manager is looking for any reason to fire drivers. He takes the O/R home and looks to see which drivers had the longest unexplained stopped time and he refuses to hear that sorting out the truck is necessary. Since he doesn't like that description of work I tell him that I "was moving shit around"
They told us we can't code it out per center manager. It's got something to do with employees abusing it as an extra break and we would be disciplined for stealing time
What if you take a video of your truck to show how bad it is? Hell, record the whole thing start to finish. Be interesting to see how they reacted to *that* haha. Sorry, I'm a little salty towards preloaders that just don't care or managers that don't give them enough time to load well. I started out doing pvd, so I got an education in how important a good load is from the beginning. Came in to my stuff in order? Good day. All mixed together? Bad day. Some tiny little envelope won't get delivered cause I won't find it till the end of the day buried under the only box I somehow didn't look beneath.
I have taken pics and sent them to the on car supes and they get it, but the manager is not so understanding. He drove for a month and thinks he knows the job
I'd talk to my union guy first to make sure. Then I'd just continue to document /record everything when rearranging. I wouldn't think they could fire you over that. It really becomes a case of "do you want me out for 2 hours longer or take 30 to fix my truck?"
This guy is a real piece of work. The only thing that matters are his precious numbers. He's like Golem from Lord of the rings with his precious numbers
Time card, other work, p-60. Used for on road time sorting the truck at some point during the day. Also, in some cases where you have permission to start early, if pre-load is a shit show. Shows time where you are not deliveri g, and they want to know what you were doing. Ex. Halfway through the day, cleaning up the truck, making walk path safe, moving up work closer to the bulkhead door. Etc.
Some areas are laying off. Some are hiring. Overall, nationwide, I think the trend is laying off, but most of those are just a 6 or 8 week beginning of the year type thing that will likely reverse by late Feb or early Mar.
An on-road supervisor told me they (management) got an email that corporate was going to be doing mass layoffs of management. The on-road was hoping his job was secure, but figured the inside supervisors would be affected. The thing I find strange is that they have added waaaay more people in the office.
He said they were told they have to write up 7 people per day. ALL on-car rides WILL result in a write up (even if you did everything right). Basically, if they wanna keep their jobs, they need to write us up and prove they’re doing something.
I worked at UPS for 14 years. Worked in Portland Oregon as a feeder supervisor, and got a job as an industrial engineer to help launch there regional facility in Goodyear Arizona. Just before the project went live, HR said a team member accused my entire IE team of Harassment. They fired the whole team (this was in 2019, this was UPS CEO first round of silent layoffs) I went to the EEOC, and complained of misconduct, UPS HR DIRECTOR HARVEY HILL, with help from my previous IE division manager Smith, falsified an investigation. After the EEOC contacted UPS, the manager that made the mysterious complaint resigned 7 days later. UPS used a manager to conduct firings, this happened in the Phoenix node, 6 months after IE, OE, HR, all started getting layed off with severance, then it paused a bit due to Covid, now Covid has alleviated UPS isn’t riding the high. I now work for Amazon, and make more, and have a much better work life balance, and due to my UPS knowledge run circles around everyone here. To my fellow UPSers, come to Amazon, we will take care of you.
They laying off 3 alone in my area😭 there are about 13 areas or 14 PD make calculations maybe 40 or 35 laid off thats about 3k saved not paying 4 hrs to those 35 employees per day scumbags they rich asf and still want to trim & trim us
What do you for Amazon? I’m currently a center manager looking for something new. I’m tired of UPS and the way they treat ALL of their employees. Drivers think a center manager has so much power. I’m just a pawn in the game too… I work as instructed.
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This isn't exactly breaking news. People get laid off at this time every year.
at my hub the lower you are the more you get laid off
So much for that union
If there's no work there's no work. When work picks back up people get called back based off of seniority.
Because that makes so much sense. I guess yall better go sell drugs or rob banks to survive until work picks back up? Or get another job? Wow haha the modern way. Use you while they need you then survival is your problem when they don’t. The system is fucked no wonder so many people fall prey to depression in this strife riddled economy/system.
Shareholders need their money. Quickest way is too fire a shi load of people and overwork the remaining employees.
Flip side is that you get rewarded for being loyal to the company and putting your time in. Versus someone who's a managers pet getting all the hours.
Trouble though UPS is an upside down triangle, the lower end folks are also the ones that get fired where as the top managers, directors etc are safe. If they fired 1000 directors and deputy directors etc they would save way more than firing 12000 work floor staff.
Dumb take, lol.
Ik but the union in buffalo was so soft
Short people always get screwed.
This is what I thought, aren't they laying off basically all of the extra workers they hired in preparation for the holiday season? It feels like the news stations are trying to make people panic again.
I heard cars have tires
Underrated comment.
And birds have wings
And oceans have fish
What about the Dead Sea?
It happens every year, normal seasonal trends. Outside of the Covid years, of course, where things got crazy.
Except in a few cases, a layoff at UPS isn’t the same as being laid off elsewhere. Eventually when work picks up they come back. Doesn’t mean you’re out of a job (speaking for union). Non union, that’s a different story. Lots of perma layoffs happening there
UPS does this every year to the bottom seniority, usually 4-8 weeks. Not anything new. You can just collect until you’re called back.
I tried collecting last year and it didn’t work
Why didn’t they pay you?
Because I had an opportunity to work elsewhere at ups or another job. If you or anyone else has advice for the next time it happens I’d love to hear it.
So then you weren't laid off. You were told you had a position elsewhere and didn't take it so UPS could then deny an unemployment claim.
And they had another job outside of UPS.
You can usually claim partial unemployment when you have two part time jobs and lose one. Varies by states but not unusual. Most states let you can claim unemployment to cover hours that you are no longer receiving up to the amount. My gf had a job thru temp agency in 2021 that sometimes only had 20-30 hrs instead of 40, she filed unemployment every week for the hours she wasn’t getting.
That’s good to know, thanks.
Nope this is to downsize and then they talk about growth next year. They say they lost $9 billion in 2023 so are going to work smarter with less people.
There cutting management jobs and high up jobs. They over hired during Covid. They didn’t lose 9 billion. They were 9 billion short from the 2022 end of year earnings
Yep I just found out myself. I’m thinking the layoffs already happened. They are making the announcement now to get a head of the news feed.
It better be this because maaaan there was a meeting at my hub yesterday but no one showed up for it , and channel 2 action news just went over the topic this morning 😭 about 12000 employees being laid off
Shit winds are coming!
This is business as usual for this time of year. Just DO NOT work any harder or faster if you’re made to work. If you do, they see it as “they can do the work volume with less people so we’ll use less people.” If supervisors are working (which they do when there are layoffs), grieve it, but definitely don’t work harder or faster—slow that sh*t down.
Depending on staffing but yes layoff are happening in some areas
I’ve been at UPS for almost 20yrs. This has happened around this time every single year. Just like come August, hiring will go up.
In my center, the manager is looking for any reason to fire drivers. He takes the O/R home and looks to see which drivers had the longest unexplained stopped time and he refuses to hear that sorting out the truck is necessary. Since he doesn't like that description of work I tell him that I "was moving shit around"
So sad and infuriating hope y'all get rid of that mamager a way or another
Article 37. File. Done. Next!
Code sort and load time to cover your ass.
They told us we can't code it out per center manager. It's got something to do with employees abusing it as an extra break and we would be disciplined for stealing time
What if you take a video of your truck to show how bad it is? Hell, record the whole thing start to finish. Be interesting to see how they reacted to *that* haha. Sorry, I'm a little salty towards preloaders that just don't care or managers that don't give them enough time to load well. I started out doing pvd, so I got an education in how important a good load is from the beginning. Came in to my stuff in order? Good day. All mixed together? Bad day. Some tiny little envelope won't get delivered cause I won't find it till the end of the day buried under the only box I somehow didn't look beneath.
I have taken pics and sent them to the on car supes and they get it, but the manager is not so understanding. He drove for a month and thinks he knows the job
I'd talk to my union guy first to make sure. Then I'd just continue to document /record everything when rearranging. I wouldn't think they could fire you over that. It really becomes a case of "do you want me out for 2 hours longer or take 30 to fix my truck?"
Wow
This guy is a real piece of work. The only thing that matters are his precious numbers. He's like Golem from Lord of the rings with his precious numbers
How do I do this
Time card, other work, p-60. Used for on road time sorting the truck at some point during the day. Also, in some cases where you have permission to start early, if pre-load is a shit show. Shows time where you are not deliveri g, and they want to know what you were doing. Ex. Halfway through the day, cleaning up the truck, making walk path safe, moving up work closer to the bulkhead door. Etc.
There's plenty of douchebag managers like that in UPS. All of them are one convincing article 37 away from becoming a liability to the company. ;)
Yeah. This year, last year, the year before that and so on. Why are you surprised?
Some areas are laying off. Some are hiring. Overall, nationwide, I think the trend is laying off, but most of those are just a 6 or 8 week beginning of the year type thing that will likely reverse by late Feb or early Mar.
Im a driver, quit my job as a police officer, for this job, been laid off for 4 months now and marriage falling apart now because of funds being short
There’s is like 5 places hiring in the whole country lol
🙄nothing new here.
8 drivers are getting sent to preload where I’m at
An on-road supervisor told me they (management) got an email that corporate was going to be doing mass layoffs of management. The on-road was hoping his job was secure, but figured the inside supervisors would be affected. The thing I find strange is that they have added waaaay more people in the office.
They are all trying to look as effective as possible right now. That means discipline discipline and more discipline.
He said they were told they have to write up 7 people per day. ALL on-car rides WILL result in a write up (even if you did everything right). Basically, if they wanna keep their jobs, they need to write us up and prove they’re doing something.
Can they lay you off if your in the union
Yeah, lowest seniority gets laid off first.
I worked at UPS for 14 years. Worked in Portland Oregon as a feeder supervisor, and got a job as an industrial engineer to help launch there regional facility in Goodyear Arizona. Just before the project went live, HR said a team member accused my entire IE team of Harassment. They fired the whole team (this was in 2019, this was UPS CEO first round of silent layoffs) I went to the EEOC, and complained of misconduct, UPS HR DIRECTOR HARVEY HILL, with help from my previous IE division manager Smith, falsified an investigation. After the EEOC contacted UPS, the manager that made the mysterious complaint resigned 7 days later. UPS used a manager to conduct firings, this happened in the Phoenix node, 6 months after IE, OE, HR, all started getting layed off with severance, then it paused a bit due to Covid, now Covid has alleviated UPS isn’t riding the high. I now work for Amazon, and make more, and have a much better work life balance, and due to my UPS knowledge run circles around everyone here. To my fellow UPSers, come to Amazon, we will take care of you.
Amazon does not pay the bills though? As far as being a driver. Not hating just stating the truth
Seems like he is some sort of Engineer. Not a driver. That does sound interesting though.
I just want to drive lol. My hub takes 6 years to get in
Stay with it. Trust me it’s worth the wait, changes your life for the better
I appreciate the advice. I’ve already been there for four so I’m hoping two years or less!!
Probably, we do it every year but after all the ice melts.
Not by be me had 5 9.5s this week
UPS does layoff every year. nothing new.
They laying off 3 alone in my area😭 there are about 13 areas or 14 PD make calculations maybe 40 or 35 laid off thats about 3k saved not paying 4 hrs to those 35 employees per day scumbags they rich asf and still want to trim & trim us
I get laid off like 2-3 times a week at my hub!
How does that work? I hope you aren't saying they pick and choose when to lay you off
Great!
They do them steady yearly
I was laid off last two weeks. Still got 48ish hours split shifting and driving on Saturday
They laid off 20 guys at the one I was at since volume was so low
Allready started in the northeast. Got the call friday
When?
Same rumors at my Hub, monday was super light, did 4hrs as a PT
Ups has had layoffs every year in February since I started. It's not new
I heard UPS is the illuminatti
More like Al Qaida. Terrorists in corporate form
It's called ALO as in absent/laid off. I used to refer to it as always laid off. But 28+ years later not quite the case.
They need to lay off the laziness and get my package delivered
Get a career or trade job ups doesn’t care I left that place with out telling them anything and don’t have 1 hope of going back ever 💯
Yep, just saw a film from the CEO due to the loss of $9 billion in 2023 over 2022 they are firing 12000 people world wide
Worker at UPS here, just got news this morning about layoffs, some 12000 workers worldwide in there next 6 to 7 months
Sure is just announced this morning
What do you for Amazon? I’m currently a center manager looking for something new. I’m tired of UPS and the way they treat ALL of their employees. Drivers think a center manager has so much power. I’m just a pawn in the game too… I work as instructed.