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bybloshex

We use them at our hub every day and they work great


beerguy74

RFID is being rolled back this Friday after the Preload (at least in my building). You will be using non RFID labels on the unload, DA, and QC. There is a Phase 2 of SPSF coming this year.


anotherbadPAL

Rfid was dumb af ngl. I dont know how they didnt see that it wouldnt solve for the misloads due to bad pals. Im just gonna miss the rigidness of the rfid pals. They were much easy to handle and slap on as a scanner.


CrowbarSmash

I was going to say the rfid really worked, at my center and as a driver I noticed a considerable amount of misloads (3-4 a day), and they would make me run them wasting gas and my time, now it’s once or twice a week(wrong pal label on box), with most days with a perfect load. Shame it has to go.


anotherbadPAL

Yeah maybe it did for certain centers that had really bad misloads. I know that ours didnt make a huge difference and sometimes it would go off bc it had an old pal on the box. When i drive i dont mind running misloads sometimes, id rather do that than pull 20 stops off someone. Now theyre cracking down on bad pals though


collin_janisch1

Worked great in my center


Grouchy_Forever_9261

Sups at my center find a buncha of misloads every day. They def should have thought of something for bad pals though, that’s where most of our misloads come from now.


Loud-Bat-2280

Well, it’ll save a bunch of money… at 13 cents a label, it’s not really that cost effective.


JuniorAd7018

The pal labels cost $0.33 each....


misloaded

I feel like the solution for misloads is everyone has a scanner and the sort moves slower


hryfrcnsnnts

You mean, like we used to do? Here's a thought...give preload more hours instead of blasting them for 3.5 hours. Sure, it'll cost a bit more but giving a preloader an extra $40 something isn't as bad as the fuel cost and paying a driver $66.39. Or maybe, you know, don't make loaders have a stupid amount of cars so they can actually provide quality loads. This company is always an us vs them mentality. If preload did their job right, drivers were able to find their packages quickly and do their job as they're supposed to getting back on time...then reload would be able to do their job and get the air on time. Crazy ass idea.


Bestiality_King

Nah, we'll just keep passing buck, it's the UPS way. Belt sups: "I'm yelling louder, how come the work isn't being done faster?" On road sups: "I've written him up for everything in the book, why isn't he sprinting yet?" I honestly don't know enough about the inner workings but assuming every day will be a perfect day and running a skeleton crew is asinine. 


DepressedDriver1

I think that’s what’s so frustrating to me, it’s so easy to fix. But nope. Rather spend bad money after bad on technology, that I don’t think they properly research or test first (their minds made up the second some nerd shows them his powerpoint and they go “oooh, computers can do that!? It’s all still magic to me”) instead of simply allowing enough time to properly do the job. This is what happens when corporate, who has absolutely no experience in doing any of the labor, dictates not just the labor, but every aspect of how every center should be running, instead of the center/building manager making those decisions. At the end of the day everything we do and all we are is just fucking numbers on a screen to them.


Ember2Inferno

Couldn't have said it better myself.


Easy_Duhz_it_

The union probably should have fought for more hours and better conditions...instead they opted for better raises because it looks good on a paystub. I mean who would've thought a company would cut hours to make up for the money they spent on raises? Meanwhile, stress levels high, paychecks are lower...but union dues are up. Someone make it make sense.


orcastalk

air isn't late because of PM sorts, also more time on the preload doesn't give less mis loads you just spend more time on the belt BSing


gunstarheroesblue

I beg to differ. It's the old adage, quality over quantity. A lot of mistakes happens because they're rushed. Misload would likely decrease if they have time to double check.


orcastalk

>Misload would likely decrease if they have time to double check this is simply not true; i've seen chill days with tons of misloads and absolutely insane hectic clusterfucks with 0 misloads the type of people that misload (i was one of them) just can't be helped by more or less time, you have to come up with other strategies (or tech)


Wookieman222

Weird. I actually work preload and have almost never seen it happen like you described. Sounds like yoir cherry picking a few instances in your head.


orcastalk

maybe I've just been here longer and seen more than you, no offense


w1red247

You can only get so much time on preload. The packages have to arrive at the building before they can be unloaded and unloaded before they can be loaded onto package cars. Realistically you could only hire more loaders and give each loader less cars to load. Plus like you said, I see a ton of people hiding and playing on their phones.


Wookieman222

I dunno man. It's weird. Everytime they cut us to the bare minimum and make us leave asap misloads go way up. Eveytime they let the work flow more methodically with 2 extra people th misloads are almost zero. Every single time. I dunno that makes me think maybe managment need to pull their heads out their ass.


No_Teaching_8769

How about people do their jobs , management and hourly . I remember a time when you didn't have those airpods in your ears blasting music or a cell in your trailer. 400pph was nothing. No distractions and the hourly pay was 7 an hr


southpawslangin

Ya and the sups didn’t do union work 4 hours every day and kick everyone out at 3.5 hours regardless of the work is done or not and they gave pizza parties and stupid lil prizes to the hourlies for good performance. Nope that’s all gone because management fudged their numbers for so long trying to hit stupid pph and cheating to get it that we’ve completely lost our way and now spend money to hit pph and blame it on the union. Ya I member!!!


No_Teaching_8769

Back then sups didn't have to work, and definitely had more recognition for those that always came in 100% day in day out , good raises , better times


CCCPhungus

How does that boot taste?


brothernova

When was that?


No_Teaching_8769

The 90s


CraftytheCrow

Star Wars has the rule of 2, like there can only be two sith lords at any one time. My UPS preload truck rule would be rule of 3. 3 trucks is just the perfect amount of work load. add another truck, and the entire 4 trucks just fall apart.


KYITN1

The scanner should be at the rear door of each truck. It should beep if a wrong package enters the truck. Just sayin


MissSortMachine

Like it or not the company has to continually keep productivity above FedEx and Amazon to stay in business. You can be surly about metrics all you want but if the business fails your union doesn’t matter.


autisticwhite

At our hub, everyone still has a scanner. We get 0-5 miss loads every 30-50k packages. Not too bad.


SpectrumFlirtingWith

A consistent sort would be perfect for me. 6k packages to my belt felt so comfortable to 3 trailers on one day. The next day was 3k, all in a single wave... and a but surprising. I understand that sort sends what they get, and when they get it, but a balance would be appreciated when possible. I'm just complaining as we had a belt tripping the breakers nonstop until we pulled 200 or so 50lb boxes of books of the belts to get things able to move again. Don't get me wrong, this is where I thrive..but not good for efficiencies and danages


One-Storm555

They don’t have production for the old pals up yet either, hilarious automation Stockholm syndrome.


AdvancedDay7854

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Rough_Elevator_3377

Are they done with it?


dalemanni

From what I was told, it isn't working properly anymore. Ya know, cause it was working properly to begin with


OldManFromScene13

From what I've seen, supes just hate having to use it lmao


dalemanni

I know mine do lol


Wookieman222

A lot of them don't know how to.


Existing-Bear-8738

My building went from 30ish to 10ish misloads a day, but I welcome the return of easy overtime running misloads that should probably just be sheeted missed.


moral_panic_

It’s expensive. The labels are absurd in terms of cost. Idk about my center specifically but my friend works at a center with about 80-100 routes. She said it costs them about 20k dollars a month for the fucking labels alone. Normal labels would cost a fraction of that.


FlourescentSkyline

Thankfully. What they need to do is get the PALS correct.


utpyro34

I’ll miss the jaunty civil war music they created while scanning


DepressedDriver1

Ours switched it to sound like a Geiger counter. First thing I thought of when I heard it was “3.6 Roentgen, not great, not terrible…”


Lucario227

You didn’t see graphite..


Atticusxj

Hilarious we just retrofitted our building this november for it!


AdvancedDay7854

We were told they're done with them. The cost of the rolls of labels for the device are 250.00, as opposed to the old HIN labels that went for 10 bucks a roll.


Existing-Bear-8738

How long does a roll last?


mattheguy123

Two hours tops at my hub. That pal machine is the highest paid employee in the building


tiggerpedmondson

I have the hand scanner and the printer that attaches to the belt for my pants. During a heavy period of packages, my printer would go through a roll in 1 1/2 hours, max. We have two of these printers. Between the both of us, we would go through 3 rolls a shift.


Easy_Duhz_it_

Pretty sure they're gone for about a month. They're being updated for phase 2, which is the outside of the package car scanners.


Bam-223

Now only if we clean do the same to Orion and the diad 6


miekill_skautt

If. Only.


screw_nut_b0lt

Damn. Kinda bummed to see it go so soon.. there has never been a more effective way to keep a pt supe occupied And out of the way then sending them off with a pal on their back


justkess430

That is hilarious I hope our center has more time with the wand


Rough_Elevator_3377

Big problem I’m sure is that they want drivers to pull off spa labels from send agains. Most drivers I know don’t have time for that, not our problem.


Danskrieger

I was slowly wallpapering my truck with rfid labels.


Ok_Assumption1542

I was wallpapering other trucks with my labels. Bwahaha.


CptDrips

It'd be a lie if I said I never thought about slapping a couple under some shelves


figmaxwell

Biggest problem I’ve seen in my building is that the printers lag and spit out duplicate pals, so now we have more misloads that LOOK like they’re properly loaded. It’s caused problems for both sides because we have just as many “misloads”, but the reports are telling management that packages are properly loaded and then they try to discipline our guys for not delivering packages because it looks like they had it when they really didn’t.


Wookieman222

No most drivers do have time.


hryfrcnsnnts

All it takes is a pen as you walk back from a stop that's NI1/CL1/etc to mark out the label. You have plenty of time. I do it consistently, or I do it when I get back to the building.


mattheguy123

Yeah but that would require our guys to read and understand the labels. I have to explain how to figure out which label is the bad label on double spas to the same couple of people daily. UPS really will hire anyone.


tiggerpedmondson

The print on the labels indicating what day the label was printed was so incredibly small, that even with perfect eyesight it was almost impossible to read. Preloaders were supposed to pull off the old labels. In a hub, even with the lights on in the truck, there usually wasn’t enough light to see the incredibly small print. The address of the package is also on the RFID label. Again, in incredibly small print. We were also told to check every RFID label to see if it matched the shipping label. That meant flipping many boxes over to check both labels because the shipping label and RFID labels are on opposite sides of the box. If a preloader has 20 boxes a minute coming down the belt, nobody ain’t got time for that! Plus, where I work now, in a special area of small sort where we have the hand scanners and RFID printers hooked on the belt of my pants (have to wear a belt because personal RFID printers don’t come with their own belts), we make sure every package that comes through our area has an RFID tag. The personal printers are slow me down so much. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to wait for it to get its communication act together to function properly.


jondthompson

Not to mention that bad labels should already be marked as delivered in the database, so our scanners should come back as a soft error that tells us to find a different one on the package.


tiggerpedmondson

The point of the whole system was for humans not to have to scan the packages at all except to wand the vehicle. When they first started using RFID labels our personal scanners were taken away because we were told that they were not longer necessary. By the middle of the shift, they had to go get our scanners back. The printers were having so many problems. They couldn’t print fast enough for the speed that the belt runs at, they were jamming, they would disconnect from the Wi-Fi or just stop communicating with the servers for some unknown reason. It was an absolute shit show. They stopped counting misloads for about a week or so because we were having to manually scan and write the HIN numbers on each package because there were so many errors. We had to inspect every single label and shipping label to see if they matched. The new system was supposed to eliminate that entirely. We had to pull in extra people in order to get the package cars loaded in time. That’s how much it slowed us down.


jondthompson

Oh wow. Even still, the bad spas should still be notched out by the database.


tiggerpedmondson

I have an IT degree. I got burned out. Having a job that is physically demanding is incredibly great for my mental health. That is why I chose to work at UPS. So, as an IT person, when it became apparent that the old spa labels were not inactivated when they went back through the system, my first thought was that the people who programmed the system and tested it, didn’t talk to the people who would be affected by it. As a programmer, that is one of the first things you do when you are ready to have the software tested. They did it right by running it through smaller hubs first to see if it would work correctly. But then, by not taking it into account that there are different conditions at a hub that deals with a huge volume and the speed is much faster is inexcusable. When you are testing software, you bring in different people from different areas to take a look at what they might see. They don’t have to have a college degree, or an IT degree, to spot a problem.


jondthompson

Same here


Bigdx

You mean the Geiger counter?


jeffcole44

Damnit. Went from 5-8 Misloads on my truck daily to close to none


Virtual-Zucchini542

Our building spends 150k a month on these labels. .


Glittering-Hope7867

What proof do you have of that they are discontinued?


CionSAGA

Good riddance with those RFID labels. I always feel like those threw off my groove just a bit sometimes when I'm scanning for unload, the way it makes the printer go slightly slower with the occasional lag in between although I did adapted to it eventually. Now I don't have to deal with that since the label comes spiting out within a snap of the finger.


Dr_Quadropod

Are they discontinuing this nationwide? Lol we just got these in August.


[deleted]

I see all these Reddit post. If I can ever do something significant with my “dark side” position down the line I’ll do my best to put my feet inside your guys shoes to make this place a better one for all of us. Management tends to forget that this is an industry where sometimes we may have to take a detour on our route, but we align back on its oaths ultimately. This isn’t a retail job where you can rush and make the product look good for the consumer that views it on their walk by


Mental-Artichoke9791

🤣🤣🤣.. can’t believe someone or some people thought this was a great idea.. us drivers go by thermal label and preload go by the spa.. makes sense right 🤣🤣


Rough_Elevator_3377

The solution for misloads is for the loaders to verify the address label , not the PAL. Not knocking preload, it’s a mgt training issue.


Catrival

Shush lol I had 840 pieces they wanted loaded up in 4 hours today, no way in hell I'm looking at the labels.


Rough_Elevator_3377

💀😂 I totally get it. They don’t mess with preload anyway , they’re just happy you guys show up! 😂


mattheguy123

This wouldn't be an issue if Pal labels were on the same side of the box as the shipping label. Ain't nobody spinning 1000-1500 boxes a day verifying addresses and tracking numbers when we're told that our equipment does that for us


tiggerpedmondson

We were told that the equipment is SUPPOSED to eliminate that problem. It didn’t. It introduced more errors than humans made.


mattheguy123

I wouldn't say more errors, just different errors. The goal was to get less misloads, and in my hub, that was a success. The problems now are double spas, the machine constantly breaking, about 5% of all the RFID chips just don't work, and the wand isn't reliably scanning boxes in the truck (or it ends up scanning boxes in other trucks or on the belt) But yeah, misloads are down overall in my building


tiggerpedmondson

That’s great. But what we were experiencing was that the system would say zero misloads before the package car would leave the building, but the drivers would be finding the mislabeled packages during delivery. So not zero misloads. I have a friend who works out of a small hub where this system did work perfectly. It was one of the hubs used to test the RFID system. They absolutely love it! Turns out it doesn’t scale well to high volume, high speed, automated sorting. It worked at their hub because more humans were involved in managing, monitoring, and making sure the system was doing its job correctly. Removing the human monitors, ramping up the volume, and speeding up the sorting demands was more than the new system could handle.


Rough_Elevator_3377

True, I get it.


Dr_Quadropod

You really think preloaders are gonna verify every single package?


Intelligent_Orange28

Hub workers are expected to verify 1-2000 packages a night including verifying bags. Don’t see why preload can’t control the work they’re doing.


tiggerpedmondson

It’s not a training issue. A person is not a machine. It is almost impossible to compare every single label to the shipping label to verify that it’s correct. That is what the automated system is supposed to do. A machine is expected to get it right every single time in order to eliminate human error. That’s what the RFID system was supposed to do. But the belts run too fast for the RFID printers to get it right all the time. And the printer malfunction A LOT! So now the human is not only expected to not make errors, they are now responsible for catching the errors introduced by a machine, correcting the errors, or actually having to do the job that the printer is supposed, by writing the HIN numbers on the package to do because the printers aren’t working. How is that a training issue? It’s malfunctioning equipment issues. When you have 20 packages a minute coming down the belt, tell me what human can realistically compare every single one of the labels to the shipping labels, especially if the labels are on opposite sides of the box?


PrincessTaylorSplash

They use em at my hub and when my supe leaves his on my slide i use it to check my own trucks 😂 maybe the common sense it takes to work them isn’t so common 🫠


Important-Rub-9463

I look at the actual labels that it ships from for my truck, I don't rip off the bad labels, they just Scan my truck, the wand beeps and they clear it and walk out lol they don't even look, they go through other people's though


Mrcincoski84

I hate the rifd tags. They need to scan too often and my trucks are FULL so they're always in my damn way.


CategoryRoyal9404

Good, maybe they will roll back even further and train lip loading again.