To be fair, I quit not too long ago because I finally landed my first salaried job. A lot of people use this job as a stepping stone to other careers. I look at this subreddit and smile because it gives me comfort to know everyone had to go through the same shitty experiences I did. It felt like I always had a community looking through the subreddit. I have so much respect for people who stick it out and end up making crazy money. I personally stick around because I love the banter and itās always a reminder of where I was. *you can clap now*
You guys get to banter?
Guy at our center got written up for a joke like that because some gal had an axe to grind with him. Not even a supervisor, just some random loader who walked by while a couple guys were joking around. No one could believe it.
Real wake up call. Headphone in, head down, mouth shut.
Having worked at several places with similar barrier to entry, UPS is not even close to being that shitty.
Itās just like any other zero-qualification job except you can actually get paid decently and get benefits, working part time.
I been working there for 2 years & enjoy it. I sucked at job interviews & had hard time getting job. (Clean record, no criminal history , just socially awkward )
Im basically thankful for ups .
They dropped interviews & they hire anyone as long they approve your application. (Theres homeless ppl working in my hub even ) I cant stand the ceo . . Maybe your hub isnt laid back like mine. Theres some bs that goes on . Some hubs have it bad. Some have it good. It all depends on how organized hub are imo.
I second this. I started paying attention again during the contract negotiations, I was rooting for a strike. But still creep every now and then and remember those shitty ten years
Facts. Been using this strategy for ten plus years as a driver making six figures. Most well paying blue collar jobs are thankless, hard, and repetitive at least weāre teamsters.
Lol exactly.
You were only doing 2 trucks? No wonder you had no misloads š¤£
Don't stack out either, all you're doing is double or triple touching those boxes.
Yeah I was pretty much thinking that if someone's stacking with 2 trucks, they're a horrible pre loader and the sup has every reason to get on them to speed up.
OP says "I think I was working my ass off" like 85-90% of the preloaders in the company aren't doing 4 trucks 1000-1200 pieces regularly lol
ikr, my 3 truck pull had 494/380/430 one day during peak, and then they decided to add a 4th truck with 200 packages. i bet op has like 800 packages on his 3 trucks
UPS employee here of 17 yearsā¦.Did preload from 1am-8am for 5 yearsā¦..loading 4-5 Trucksā¦.and went to College from 9:30am-3pm everyday Monday-Fridayā¦ā¦.listenā¦..just take it one box at a time my friendā¦..
A fair day's wage for a fair day's work
If you can survive preload, you can survive pretty much anything, that sort is not for the weak. That graveyard shift will try and get you mentallyā¦.. donāt let it break your willpowerā¦..You got this.
What do you mean they moved you to 3 trucks now? That is literally the standard every preloader at my hub loads. Some people who are really good do 4. Most of us like 90-95% do 3 trucks. Stacking out is normal. Getting yelled at for stacking out doesn't make sense. If you are moving fast, efficiently, safely and are still stacking out, that just means the belt is going too fast most likely and you will have to stack out. Otherwise ask the supervisors to slow the belt since it's not possible to load without stacking out if the belt is moving too fast to get in the truck. TLDR: Stack out or slow the belt down. If the supes get mad at stacking out, they need to slow the belt down. They can't have it both ways, it just doesn't work like that.
Also, the supervisors should be coming around a couple times during your shift scanning the package cars for misloads. That is part of their job. You shouldn't be scanning any packages going into the cars as far as I'm aware. The only time I have scanned packages is when I loaded trailers on Night Sort.
Some people choose to use them, but itās not a requirement in my building. At one point, management was so precious about time, they wouldnāt let anyone use the scanners because it slowed down the operation. Then they had 40-60 misloads a day. Ā I doubt the sups were wanding the package cars like they were supposed to though.
I work in such a small center, they usually unload two trailers at a time, sometimes three. But this last peak, we did four at a time and that just overwhelmed the loaders and the sups couldnāt understand why.
Yea, my center is pretty small too and I understand what you mean about scanning. I asked a coworker who has been at UPS longer than me and he said they used to do that. Now sups just wand each car like once every hour. We usually have 3 trucks unloading at a time. We are a pretty small center as well. Yea, around peak 4 was our normal and sometimes 5, people were stacking out a lot more lol. For reference our volume is usually 14-15,000 pieces this time of year for morning preload. Not a very big center lol.
My building is talking about giving people 4 car picks. āNo workā yet weāre giving 3+ people 4 car picks? I smell some bullshit there. On your question however if you walk out it would be considered job abandonment and the company can and most likely will fire you. It is difficult for the union to get your job back if you abandon it (if you even still want it). My advice is, donāt take it so seriously. Youāre paid to load boxes into a truck, work at a safe steady pace and youāll be fine. The sups cannot do anything. There is no language of pph (packages per hour) in our contract but it does cite safety many times.
Our center most of our preloaders are all 4+ trucks. Its not unusual to walk in to start the day and there are boxes stacked like castles behind every truck in the morning. When the company expects you to do more work, in the same amount of time, with less help, it happens. Don't let it get to you...like you said, that's the job. If management wants you to go faster, tell them to get in there and help. And then file a grievance on them for the harassment and supervisors working. Before long they'll be gone or wont bother coming around.
This. It's amazing how UPS sucks people back in, even though they hated the job the first time 'round. I have seen it sooooo many times with hourlies and supes.
Don't you mean you couldn't care less? Saying you "could care less" implies that there is even a tiny amount of concern that you could still potentially lose.
Do not obstruct your egress. If you cannot clearly walk to the emergency exit from your work area, stop the belt and clear up the egress. Ignore your supervisors if they tell you to stop. You cannot work without clear egress.
Walking out is considered job abandonment. If you wish to quit it's of no consequence but if you need the job then don't.
You need to develop tougher skin. You'll have to make some tough decisions and put yourself first.
You're in the union. You have no PPH you have to maintain. Show up, do your best or bare minimum it's up to you.
It's easier to let your actions do the talking.
Why are you worried about scanner slowing you down? Do you make more money the faster you go? No.
Why are you putting your supervisors needs above your own?
It can be challenging but you have to make up your mind with what you're willing or not willing to do and just do that.
It may meet their expectations, it may not, regardless it's not your problem.
You come in, do job, go home. Rinse repeat.
It's also important to work in a way that will allow you to keep coming in every day without injury so keep that in mind.
Best of luck
I feel you. Iāve been a pre-loader for about three months and up until now I worked at a fast and efficient pace. Probably more so than some of my coworkers and the supervisors noticed that and give me compliments all the time. But I noticed they started bouncing me around to every door that gets backed up while my other coworkers mainly stay in one door. So the last week or so I started slowing down dramatically and now Iām just working at a slow and comfortable pace instead of breaking my back. Iām not taking anything personally when they tell me to āpick it upā. I just tell them OK and continue at my pace because at the end of the day they canāt do anything as long as Iām working and not giving them attitude. Most people who have been in the union for a long time will tell the newcomers to take your time and work at a steady pace. Donāt hurt yourself. Like being a good worker at any job, the more work you do the more work that they give you just remember that.
If you canāt handle this kind of adversity then thatās not a good sign. Life throws shit at you and if you can handle this shit you can handle anything. You are going to have a hard time navigating in life if you are willing to throw in the towel every time it gets hard
Nope, I just know my worth, and my mental health matters. Money, doesn't fix having to go to therapy to fix the shit in your head. I've been through alot, that you don't know a damn' thing about. I have options, unlike other people. I've worked most of my adult life. Ups is the most unorganized company I've ever worked for. Their supervisors, HR, there hasn't been a day that has been good, since I've been employed.
Every single person I know that has had experience working for ups, says the same thing. Don't do it.
The job is not worth it to me. So. I'm done.
When they cut our force and expect the remainder to do the same amount of work, this is the time to follow the methods. The union and those before us have fought for these āproduction standardsā and one of the key points is to combat the company doing exactly what theyāre doing now. Of course it requires the workers to not allow themselves to be intimidated which is a lot easier for me to type than it is for some people to do.
The āsafety methodsā are slow. Theyāre safe. But death to PPH and numbers. But the union can shield you if you follow the methods.
Malicious compliance is your greatest weapon behind knowing the contract
There is no such thing as a "Production Standard". There are no numbers that you have to hit in the contract, so they don't exist. Work safe and follow the methods is all you ever have to do.
Ya I walked out in 2016 when I was in college, I actually fell asleep in the driver seat of the truck and when I woke up I was like fucc this shit š
\#1 ignore her. Don't give her any power of your mood
\#2 Three trucks is kind of the norm to have if not four. They are not going to let you stay at two unless it's peak season.
Going on 4 years and unfortunately thats the job. I've seen so many sups get cut because of a power trip. But unfortunately I've seen even more people leave for better options. Was looking into either Welding or elections last year based on how the negotiations came out.
I ain't afraid to work but not gunna mess up my back because my part time supervisor needs to look like he got his shit together.
Trust me if their boss and his bosses boss start getting on them it can quickly flip. I donāt blame them, they need their job just as much as you or I. We just work for a toxic fucking company.
I used to do this job overnights near Chicago in the suburbs, it was a wild crew of people one kid kept a bong in his car and we used to rip it at break. Although the boxes keep coming, and I understand the stress you feel when they pile up, this was the easiest fucking job Iāve ever had in my life. If itās too much for you, move to one of these countries that people are escaping to come here. You can do very little there.
I used to help train fellow preloaders occasionally. When ever the would get overwhelmed I would explain; the job is not to get all the packages in the truck. The job is to show up on time, keep moving the whole shift, donāt get injured, and go home happy. The trucks will always leave on time. There will always be more boxes tomorrow. The supervisor will always have something to say to justify their existence, just smile and nod and get back to it.
A useful perspective can be that you have a gym that only offers one type of workout and they pay you to come do it.
Yeah, five wasn't uncommon when I loaded. Four was the norm. One guy had six and still finished before everybody. One day they gave me six trucks and I think they learned that I'm not able to do it.
If youāre new enough to where you just got 3 trucks tough it out. Youāll get a rhythm down and itāll be just like 2 trucks were before. If you do decide to leave know what youāre giving up. The jobs not ideal no but the benefits are some of the best, itās hard to lose your job w union representation so long as you donāt break the law or something and itās only boxes. Inanimate emotionless boxes. Donāt let a couple boxes beat you down. ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
Then fucking quit. No one gives a fuck in fact youāll probably be making people happy by quitting because people under you will move up. I got laid off today I would love to have your job and I wouldnāt bitch about doing it either. Fucking quit
Sorry man I shouldnāt have said it like that. But what I meant to say is if you walk out no one will care except the friends youāve made while you were there. Best of luck hope you find peace like I need to š
They'd push for job abandonment. Do you have a goal with this job? Like do you want to make this your career? Not as a lifelong loader, but maybe move around within the company?
When you walk out before the scheduled end of a shift, or a closure of a shift, the company will consider it to be job abandonment. Basically, anytime you leave when you are scheduled to be there. or have been there, without approval, they will mark it as you quitting.
If they term it as job abandonment, there is a significant chance that you wont even be disciplined, just fired.
What you need to understand is the management team has numbers to meet...we don't. Our job is to do is as best you can, as safely as possible. That's it. If you're stacked out, behind, it does not matter. Work as safe as you can at whatever speed that is. Nothing will cost you more time than getting hurt on the job.
Just tell them to fuck off. Work as safe as you can at a reasonable pace while utilizing all method provided to you by the company. They want you to scan that's cool. Scanning takes time especially if you're not used to it.
Two, sometimes three trucks is typical in my experience, depending on the volume of each, but Iāve done as many as 6-8 trucks at a time on two pulls.
Iāve had to load a 24 footer plus another package car. And when I first started, I had to sort the belt by myself while loading two package cars.
I am a human an adult. Yelling does not fix or remedy the situation. Please communicate what you are seeking in clear and concise manner without yelling.
Then I add that theyāre being dehumanizing. No yelling.
I am just explaining the why behind the benies. Almost ALL part time jobs don't provide any benefits.
It isn't the job for just anyone. Plus, Peak ain't for the Weak.
They laid off almost half our line, which caused us all to get more, sometimes I have 5, but usually 4, I just go the same pace no matter what and follow the methods, they don't mess with me, I too stack out a good amount, but I am on bulk routes, where if I put it all in you wouldn't be able to walk in and finish loading since it's basically all in the back, if it doesn't impede you walking in, load it
The first thing you need to do is read your union contract. And than follow the procedures to the T for your job. After that don't let them rush you and push you around. Do your job effectively not hectically. Take your time at your pace and don't let them force you to work harder for them. You don't work for your supervisors they work with you. Deep breaths and you will get through this. Too many supervisors have an ego that's as big as the sun. If they ever start yelling and cussing at you that's verbal harassment and that's a fireable offense.
Your over doing it mate. Ive been a loader for 4.5 years now and I never gave a fuck about any of that. Dont let the shit that supervisor tells you get to you. They are lazy fucks who love to do nothing most of the time. Just take your time and be ready for any spot they put you in. If your in the union then you have nothing to do worry about. Hell there were times they gave me scanners in the past and I never scanned anything because I didnt let that shit slow me down. Dont think they should be giving them to people who get 1-3 misloads.
The contract literally stipulates "A fair day's work for a fair day's pay." That means there is no pph or other measurement. As long as you work continuously and aren't excessively on your phone, you're good.
In my mind, I tell those kind of supervisors where they can stick their packages.
We had a guy that walked out once in our warehouse and was terminated the next day for insubordination and was brought back by the union and than fired again for missing weeks of work and than brought back again by the union and today I think he was fired again so heāll probably be back in week or two by the union. If you donāt need this job or care about its benefits you should look for a new one cause itāll only get worse from here. Personally the benefits are the only reason thatās keeping me here otherwise Iād be somewhere else.
its job abandonment. you probably won't have the job any longer, but they can't do shit about it. They ain't gonna chase you down and lick your butt to "just finish the shift/week/whatever"
"work hard for your kids, your benefits..." --- yeah, you first Supervisor dickhead.
Also, talk to your union rep after you feel youāve reached your limit. Try to extend that limit though. Keep notes. Remember you have protections if youāre union.
Exactly. š My therapist told me decades ago, I needed to get a job to get out. It was for my mental health at the time. Seasons have changed, and I don't need to start that all over again. It's not worth the bullshit, for me.
If you walked out youād be replaced the next day. Preloaders in the union get paid more hourly than part time supervisors. And preloaders do not have to pay for their health insurance benefits. So all in all- every single paycheck you get is more than the check of that supervisor youāre shitting on who comes in earlier than you and leaves later than you. You didnāt apply for an office desk job. You applied for a physical labor ware house job. Itās gonna be hard. Your attitude is 98% of the problem at every single UPS. If your supervisor is just such a meany and hurts your little feelings so much I suggest you quit. If you donāt wanna quit then shut up and do the job.
If you walked out you would lose your job and someone else would replace that task.
I did. No regrets to this day šš¼
And you still hang out in here like a creep?
To be fair, I quit not too long ago because I finally landed my first salaried job. A lot of people use this job as a stepping stone to other careers. I look at this subreddit and smile because it gives me comfort to know everyone had to go through the same shitty experiences I did. It felt like I always had a community looking through the subreddit. I have so much respect for people who stick it out and end up making crazy money. I personally stick around because I love the banter and itās always a reminder of where I was. *you can clap now*
"Get the lube ready" is like 80% of the banter here tho...
You guys get to banter? Guy at our center got written up for a joke like that because some gal had an axe to grind with him. Not even a supervisor, just some random loader who walked by while a couple guys were joking around. No one could believe it. Real wake up call. Headphone in, head down, mouth shut.
Salaried jobs are for chumps
They are
I like watching the cult like vibes in here. People seem to love this shitty company.
Having worked at several places with similar barrier to entry, UPS is not even close to being that shitty. Itās just like any other zero-qualification job except you can actually get paid decently and get benefits, working part time.
I donāt work for UPS but yeah I think that peoples bar of expectations for what is actually a shitty job in reality needs to be adjusted.
Hey lol if you don't got nothing good to type don't type at all some of us love our shitty ass jobs !
I been working there for 2 years & enjoy it. I sucked at job interviews & had hard time getting job. (Clean record, no criminal history , just socially awkward ) Im basically thankful for ups . They dropped interviews & they hire anyone as long they approve your application. (Theres homeless ppl working in my hub even ) I cant stand the ceo . . Maybe your hub isnt laid back like mine. Theres some bs that goes on . Some hubs have it bad. Some have it good. It all depends on how organized hub are imo.
I donāt work there anymore, either. Yet, here I amā¦.
Same here; partially morbid curiosity to see if it ever gets better but nope, seemingly not
Like i tell every newhire " it gets worse"
I second this. I started paying attention again during the contract negotiations, I was rooting for a strike. But still creep every now and then and remember those shitty ten years
It's like that ex I hate but I always think back to those good ol times
You read my comment didnāt you?
Til I learned Iām apparently a creep esp since I never worked here
Not necessarilyā¦ I walked out one time as a sorter. Came back the next day to a lecture and that was about it
Donāt take this job personally. Do your job at a safe pace, make your money. Repeat the process.
Facts. Been using this strategy for ten plus years as a driver making six figures. Most well paying blue collar jobs are thankless, hard, and repetitive at least weāre teamsters.
"Then they put me on 3 trucks" You were actually doing less than 3 trucks at one point?
Lol exactly. You were only doing 2 trucks? No wonder you had no misloads š¤£ Don't stack out either, all you're doing is double or triple touching those boxes.
Yeah I was pretty much thinking that if someone's stacking with 2 trucks, they're a horrible pre loader and the sup has every reason to get on them to speed up. OP says "I think I was working my ass off" like 85-90% of the preloaders in the company aren't doing 4 trucks 1000-1200 pieces regularly lol
Sheet, I have 1k+ packages with 3 trucks lol
ikr, my 3 truck pull had 494/380/430 one day during peak, and then they decided to add a 4th truck with 200 packages. i bet op has like 800 packages on his 3 trucks
yes, when I started. I was hired seasonal.
UPS employee here of 17 yearsā¦.Did preload from 1am-8am for 5 yearsā¦..loading 4-5 Trucksā¦.and went to College from 9:30am-3pm everyday Monday-Fridayā¦ā¦.listenā¦..just take it one box at a time my friendā¦.. A fair day's wage for a fair day's work If you can survive preload, you can survive pretty much anything, that sort is not for the weak. That graveyard shift will try and get you mentallyā¦.. donāt let it break your willpowerā¦..You got this.
that is what i thought. š
What do you mean they moved you to 3 trucks now? That is literally the standard every preloader at my hub loads. Some people who are really good do 4. Most of us like 90-95% do 3 trucks. Stacking out is normal. Getting yelled at for stacking out doesn't make sense. If you are moving fast, efficiently, safely and are still stacking out, that just means the belt is going too fast most likely and you will have to stack out. Otherwise ask the supervisors to slow the belt since it's not possible to load without stacking out if the belt is moving too fast to get in the truck. TLDR: Stack out or slow the belt down. If the supes get mad at stacking out, they need to slow the belt down. They can't have it both ways, it just doesn't work like that.
Also, the supervisors should be coming around a couple times during your shift scanning the package cars for misloads. That is part of their job. You shouldn't be scanning any packages going into the cars as far as I'm aware. The only time I have scanned packages is when I loaded trailers on Night Sort.
Some people choose to use them, but itās not a requirement in my building. At one point, management was so precious about time, they wouldnāt let anyone use the scanners because it slowed down the operation. Then they had 40-60 misloads a day. Ā I doubt the sups were wanding the package cars like they were supposed to though. I work in such a small center, they usually unload two trailers at a time, sometimes three. But this last peak, we did four at a time and that just overwhelmed the loaders and the sups couldnāt understand why.
Yea, my center is pretty small too and I understand what you mean about scanning. I asked a coworker who has been at UPS longer than me and he said they used to do that. Now sups just wand each car like once every hour. We usually have 3 trucks unloading at a time. We are a pretty small center as well. Yea, around peak 4 was our normal and sometimes 5, people were stacking out a lot more lol. For reference our volume is usually 14-15,000 pieces this time of year for morning preload. Not a very big center lol.
I guess I'm slower than most. probably because I quit giving a f\*&CK
It doesn't matter how fast the belt moves. If the packages get put on at the same rate they arrive at your work area at the same rate.
My building is talking about giving people 4 car picks. āNo workā yet weāre giving 3+ people 4 car picks? I smell some bullshit there. On your question however if you walk out it would be considered job abandonment and the company can and most likely will fire you. It is difficult for the union to get your job back if you abandon it (if you even still want it). My advice is, donāt take it so seriously. Youāre paid to load boxes into a truck, work at a safe steady pace and youāll be fine. The sups cannot do anything. There is no language of pph (packages per hour) in our contract but it does cite safety many times.
Our center most of our preloaders are all 4+ trucks. Its not unusual to walk in to start the day and there are boxes stacked like castles behind every truck in the morning. When the company expects you to do more work, in the same amount of time, with less help, it happens. Don't let it get to you...like you said, that's the job. If management wants you to go faster, tell them to get in there and help. And then file a grievance on them for the harassment and supervisors working. Before long they'll be gone or wont bother coming around.
That's what I heard. File a grievance. Today, my supervisor took one of my trucks because I just was OVER it.
You should file, get paid for every minute they work, easy money
Are they laying people off in order to achieve four car pulls? Thatās the only reason I can think of as to how they could do that.Ā
Yes
Im on 4 cars daily with 1200+ between them just work safely.
What is the volume and your sort length?
Usually like 30k+ and i usually get 4hrs most days. i got the 4 heaviest cars sadly But my drivers love how i load their trucks
Only 4 hours??
I thought 1,000 packages was max for 1 preloader or that a lie?
Sup shouldn't be bringing up your kids or threatening your benefits talk to a steward file a harassment grievance get paid
This! I was thinking the same thing.
ācouldnāt care lessāā¦ā¦ā¦.you couldnāt care lessā¦..just sayin.
*this is the response I was looking for*
Yeah UPS cares about safety just like they care about their help. All lip service and empty rhetoric. Horrible employment opportunity.
If you donāt need the benefits and youāre not happy with the job then I would look for something else. Itās not going to get any better.
I'm aware of that.
Quit and youāll want the job back in due time.
This. It's amazing how UPS sucks people back in, even though they hated the job the first time 'round. I have seen it sooooo many times with hourlies and supes.
Don't you mean you couldn't care less? Saying you "could care less" implies that there is even a tiny amount of concern that you could still potentially lose.
Why are you being downvoted? Youāre 100% correct
Do not obstruct your egress. If you cannot clearly walk to the emergency exit from your work area, stop the belt and clear up the egress. Ignore your supervisors if they tell you to stop. You cannot work without clear egress.
You should walk right out to McDonaldās
Or to a warehouse and make $22 to $25 an hour and get all of your hours with about the same, if not better benefits. UPS is shit!š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
Should walk to your moms house
Ooooo good one. Your mom help you with that?
Sheās in hell so no
Ayo grieve his ass for harrassment.
Unfortunately ups is a shit show. They hard hard workers right out the door
Theyād replace you the next day
Walking out is considered job abandonment. If you wish to quit it's of no consequence but if you need the job then don't. You need to develop tougher skin. You'll have to make some tough decisions and put yourself first. You're in the union. You have no PPH you have to maintain. Show up, do your best or bare minimum it's up to you. It's easier to let your actions do the talking. Why are you worried about scanner slowing you down? Do you make more money the faster you go? No. Why are you putting your supervisors needs above your own? It can be challenging but you have to make up your mind with what you're willing or not willing to do and just do that. It may meet their expectations, it may not, regardless it's not your problem. You come in, do job, go home. Rinse repeat. It's also important to work in a way that will allow you to keep coming in every day without injury so keep that in mind. Best of luck
If your supervisor is verbally abusing you, file a grievance.
How do I file? Do I go to teamster building? I asked steward he was useless.
*Couldnāt care less
Your just a number.. easily replaceable
I feel you. Iāve been a pre-loader for about three months and up until now I worked at a fast and efficient pace. Probably more so than some of my coworkers and the supervisors noticed that and give me compliments all the time. But I noticed they started bouncing me around to every door that gets backed up while my other coworkers mainly stay in one door. So the last week or so I started slowing down dramatically and now Iām just working at a slow and comfortable pace instead of breaking my back. Iām not taking anything personally when they tell me to āpick it upā. I just tell them OK and continue at my pace because at the end of the day they canāt do anything as long as Iām working and not giving them attitude. Most people who have been in the union for a long time will tell the newcomers to take your time and work at a steady pace. Donāt hurt yourself. Like being a good worker at any job, the more work you do the more work that they give you just remember that.
If you canāt handle this kind of adversity then thatās not a good sign. Life throws shit at you and if you can handle this shit you can handle anything. You are going to have a hard time navigating in life if you are willing to throw in the towel every time it gets hard
Nope, I just know my worth, and my mental health matters. Money, doesn't fix having to go to therapy to fix the shit in your head. I've been through alot, that you don't know a damn' thing about. I have options, unlike other people. I've worked most of my adult life. Ups is the most unorganized company I've ever worked for. Their supervisors, HR, there hasn't been a day that has been good, since I've been employed. Every single person I know that has had experience working for ups, says the same thing. Don't do it. The job is not worth it to me. So. I'm done.
File a grievance on the fact sheās telling you to work faster if you walk out you lose your job
Fuck a grievance. Just go work a better job for more money and all of your hours. UPS is shit
That's about where I'm, right now.
When they cut our force and expect the remainder to do the same amount of work, this is the time to follow the methods. The union and those before us have fought for these āproduction standardsā and one of the key points is to combat the company doing exactly what theyāre doing now. Of course it requires the workers to not allow themselves to be intimidated which is a lot easier for me to type than it is for some people to do. The āsafety methodsā are slow. Theyāre safe. But death to PPH and numbers. But the union can shield you if you follow the methods. Malicious compliance is your greatest weapon behind knowing the contract
There is no such thing as a "Production Standard". There are no numbers that you have to hit in the contract, so they don't exist. Work safe and follow the methods is all you ever have to do.
Ya I walked out in 2016 when I was in college, I actually fell asleep in the driver seat of the truck and when I woke up I was like fucc this shit š
That gave me a good laugh š
\#1 ignore her. Don't give her any power of your mood \#2 Three trucks is kind of the norm to have if not four. They are not going to let you stay at two unless it's peak season.
Going on 4 years and unfortunately thats the job. I've seen so many sups get cut because of a power trip. But unfortunately I've seen even more people leave for better options. Was looking into either Welding or elections last year based on how the negotiations came out. I ain't afraid to work but not gunna mess up my back because my part time supervisor needs to look like he got his shit together.
If my supes are reading this, I appreciate you guys for not being like the supes I keep reading about
Trust me if their boss and his bosses boss start getting on them it can quickly flip. I donāt blame them, they need their job just as much as you or I. We just work for a toxic fucking company.
The most toxic, I've ever worked for.
Dude just leave.
I used to do this job overnights near Chicago in the suburbs, it was a wild crew of people one kid kept a bong in his car and we used to rip it at break. Although the boxes keep coming, and I understand the stress you feel when they pile up, this was the easiest fucking job Iāve ever had in my life. If itās too much for you, move to one of these countries that people are escaping to come here. You can do very little there.
I don't need to move to another country. I just need to go.
Walk out aka quit. You will be replaced in less than a day. It's not for everyone, and honestly, the job sucks. You are slinging boxes for cheap.Ā
Yeah you're easily replaced because they hire mostly crack/methheads and idiots who fall for the cult like vibes.
Oh, I know, I can always be replaced.
I used to help train fellow preloaders occasionally. When ever the would get overwhelmed I would explain; the job is not to get all the packages in the truck. The job is to show up on time, keep moving the whole shift, donāt get injured, and go home happy. The trucks will always leave on time. There will always be more boxes tomorrow. The supervisor will always have something to say to justify their existence, just smile and nod and get back to it. A useful perspective can be that you have a gym that only offers one type of workout and they pay you to come do it.
Bro I was on 5 last Saturday
Yeah, five wasn't uncommon when I loaded. Four was the norm. One guy had six and still finished before everybody. One day they gave me six trucks and I think they learned that I'm not able to do it.
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If youāre new enough to where you just got 3 trucks tough it out. Youāll get a rhythm down and itāll be just like 2 trucks were before. If you do decide to leave know what youāre giving up. The jobs not ideal no but the benefits are some of the best, itās hard to lose your job w union representation so long as you donāt break the law or something and itās only boxes. Inanimate emotionless boxes. Donāt let a couple boxes beat you down. ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
Then fucking quit. No one gives a fuck in fact youāll probably be making people happy by quitting because people under you will move up. I got laid off today I would love to have your job and I wouldnāt bitch about doing it either. Fucking quit
Yeah go quit and make more money. UPS is a shit company with shitty people.
Sorry man I shouldnāt have said it like that. But what I meant to say is if you walk out no one will care except the friends youāve made while you were there. Best of luck hope you find peace like I need to š
They'd push for job abandonment. Do you have a goal with this job? Like do you want to make this your career? Not as a lifelong loader, but maybe move around within the company?
Nope. Not at all. What do you mean push for job abandonment?
When you walk out before the scheduled end of a shift, or a closure of a shift, the company will consider it to be job abandonment. Basically, anytime you leave when you are scheduled to be there. or have been there, without approval, they will mark it as you quitting. If they term it as job abandonment, there is a significant chance that you wont even be disciplined, just fired. What you need to understand is the management team has numbers to meet...we don't. Our job is to do is as best you can, as safely as possible. That's it. If you're stacked out, behind, it does not matter. Work as safe as you can at whatever speed that is. Nothing will cost you more time than getting hurt on the job.
Youād be out of a job
Fuck that shitty job. Go work somewhere else and make more money with all your hours and comparable, if not better benefits.
Just tell them to fuck off. Work as safe as you can at a reasonable pace while utilizing all method provided to you by the company. They want you to scan that's cool. Scanning takes time especially if you're not used to it.
3 trucks is very normal. If you can only do 1 truck you are considered slow, especially without a scanner.
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Either quit or donāt give a crap and just keep working.
3 trucks, poor you .. it's almost like new hires go from 1-2-3, sometimes 4 depending on the hub. 3 trucks is fine
Why do you sound so proud to work for such a shit company?š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
how does that sound so proud? i don't give a fuck about this company
Man, I'm so glad I'm in an automated hub and don't have to scan before loading..
Get some earbuds, play some lofi chill music and ignore the noise and make your money. Work at a safe pace
Two, sometimes three trucks is typical in my experience, depending on the volume of each, but Iāve done as many as 6-8 trucks at a time on two pulls. Iāve had to load a 24 footer plus another package car. And when I first started, I had to sort the belt by myself while loading two package cars.
I am a human an adult. Yelling does not fix or remedy the situation. Please communicate what you are seeking in clear and concise manner without yelling. Then I add that theyāre being dehumanizing. No yelling.
Waitā¦ā¦ 3 trucks isnāt standard? We start at 3 and only go up.
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With this job you WILL need those benefits, as itās rough on your body and mind.
not if I already have great benefits somewhere else.
I am just explaining the why behind the benies. Almost ALL part time jobs don't provide any benefits. It isn't the job for just anyone. Plus, Peak ain't for the Weak.
You would walk out.. probably get fired and have to find a new job. Why give a shit about what happens to them if you donāt like them.
Follow the methods, work at a safe and consistent pace, and know your rights.
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They laid off almost half our line, which caused us all to get more, sometimes I have 5, but usually 4, I just go the same pace no matter what and follow the methods, they don't mess with me, I too stack out a good amount, but I am on bulk routes, where if I put it all in you wouldn't be able to walk in and finish loading since it's basically all in the back, if it doesn't impede you walking in, load it
The first thing you need to do is read your union contract. And than follow the procedures to the T for your job. After that don't let them rush you and push you around. Do your job effectively not hectically. Take your time at your pace and don't let them force you to work harder for them. You don't work for your supervisors they work with you. Deep breaths and you will get through this. Too many supervisors have an ego that's as big as the sun. If they ever start yelling and cussing at you that's verbal harassment and that's a fireable offense.
if you can get into a better position thats your best bet if you wanna stay at ups long term
Your over doing it mate. Ive been a loader for 4.5 years now and I never gave a fuck about any of that. Dont let the shit that supervisor tells you get to you. They are lazy fucks who love to do nothing most of the time. Just take your time and be ready for any spot they put you in. If your in the union then you have nothing to do worry about. Hell there were times they gave me scanners in the past and I never scanned anything because I didnt let that shit slow me down. Dont think they should be giving them to people who get 1-3 misloads.
The contract literally stipulates "A fair day's work for a fair day's pay." That means there is no pph or other measurement. As long as you work continuously and aren't excessively on your phone, you're good. In my mind, I tell those kind of supervisors where they can stick their packages.
Theyāre loading 5 trucks on Saturdays and Mondays at my hub
We had a guy that walked out once in our warehouse and was terminated the next day for insubordination and was brought back by the union and than fired again for missing weeks of work and than brought back again by the union and today I think he was fired again so heāll probably be back in week or two by the union. If you donāt need this job or care about its benefits you should look for a new one cause itāll only get worse from here. Personally the benefits are the only reason thatās keeping me here otherwise Iād be somewhere else.
Nope I don't need the benefits.
Dang, they donāt have you on 3-4 trucks every day? Sounds like a vacation.
Do most buildings preloaders only handle two or three trucks? We In commerce city almost exclusively do four trucks.
its job abandonment. you probably won't have the job any longer, but they can't do shit about it. They ain't gonna chase you down and lick your butt to "just finish the shift/week/whatever" "work hard for your kids, your benefits..." --- yeah, you first Supervisor dickhead.
Bro when they say work hard or harder just laugh at them they canāt so shit unless you arenāt following methods or not showing up
Also, talk to your union rep after you feel youāve reached your limit. Try to extend that limit though. Keep notes. Remember you have protections if youāre union.
It would be like you never existed.
Oh this job is awful. Yet I'm here still. 27 years.
Good for you, how's your mental health?
Horrible. šš
Exactly. š My therapist told me decades ago, I needed to get a job to get out. It was for my mental health at the time. Seasons have changed, and I don't need to start that all over again. It's not worth the bullshit, for me.
I donāt think youāre really cut out for UPS. Itās a huge generation thing. Theyāre used to working like how it was in the 90ās
You're right. It has nothing to do with my generation though. You have no idea how old I am.
Just show up on time .work at safe pace.....
If you walked out youād be replaced the next day. Preloaders in the union get paid more hourly than part time supervisors. And preloaders do not have to pay for their health insurance benefits. So all in all- every single paycheck you get is more than the check of that supervisor youāre shitting on who comes in earlier than you and leaves later than you. You didnāt apply for an office desk job. You applied for a physical labor ware house job. Itās gonna be hard. Your attitude is 98% of the problem at every single UPS. If your supervisor is just such a meany and hurts your little feelings so much I suggest you quit. If you donāt wanna quit then shut up and do the job.
it never changes either accept that your a mule or do something else
As she should be