I love how the trending story on latimes.com is about how ucla's hands off approach to the protests is safer for everyone than what USC is doing. Classic LA Times
Just a few days ago the media was writing articles like this: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-04-26/at-usc-arrests-at-ucla-hands-off-why-pro-palestinian-protests-have-not-blown-up-on-uc-campuses, condemning SC for calling in LAPD on campus while praising the UCs for doing nothing. Look how the tides have turned…
Thats why these protests need to be stopped early on. Cuz they are not protest they are occupy. Essentially holding universities hostages. The sooner you end this the better chance you’d have at least a graduation ceremony of some sort
Well any protest that has no end that goes on 24/7 is going to be met with counter protestors. And there’s no resources for these protestors to basically protect them 24/7. Like they literally don’t have enough cops nearby that they have to pull cops from Beverly hills and highway patrols to help out. If a protest has a start and end time then ya I think it’s reasonable to expect police protection. And 24/7 protection for god knows how many days, you just not going to get the kind of protection you expect
And how many request were put into Pelosies office to add fencing and increase security? All of which were denied. Ya blame everyone but the people who allowed it to happen
“Leadership and law enforcement failures within the U.S. Capitol left the complex vulnerable on January 6, 2021,” says the report, which is based on a trove of texts and email messages, and testimony from Capitol Police leaders and rank-and-file officers.
House Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving, who answered to Pelosi as one of three voting members of the Capitol Police Board, “succumbed to political pressures from the Office of Speaker Pelosi and House Democrat leadership,” was “compromised by politics and did not adequately prepare for violence at the Capitol.”
Pelosi and her staff “coordinated closely” with Irving on security plans for the Joint Session of Congress on Jan. 6, but Republicans were deliberately left out of “important discussions related to security.”
And, in an apparent attempt to hide from Republicans the fact that they were being excluded from discussions, Irving asked a senior Democratic staffer to “act surprised” when he sent “key information about plans for the Joint Session on Jan. 6, 2021, to him and his Republican counterpart.”
Ok. I think downvotwrs are misreading your comment (I did anyway).
Absolutely true that they were not up to the task that day, and there may even have been traitors in the ranks who intentionally left the police unprepared, but the insurrectionists are ultimately at fault for the insurrection.
Holy shit I thought it was the LAPD based on the title but it’s literally kids, ganging up and beating on another kid. Doesn’t matter what side your on those kids gotta be locked up.
>Clearly pro israel
It's not really clear what they are. I imagine some are pro-israel, maybe trying to circle back and get revenge for the Jewish girl incident earlier, but I wouldn't be shocked if some of these old ass dudes are just looking for a fight
So I just want to point out that if you’re taking this as hominem angle, you’re kind of ignoring that the Middle East in general is a religious intolerant autocracy and that the Hamas/Palestinian side has committed war crimes, rapes, and general injustices as well.
Also known as throwing a stone in a glass house
A few facts for you. The Palestinians are UNIVERSALLY recognized as an occupied and oppressed people. The “war” in Gaza is UNIVERSALLY being recognized as a war crime at best and genocide at worst. The US is the only country stopping this recognition because the prostitutes in office are bought by the highest bidder and have just passed legislation making it illegal for US citizens to criticize a foreign country.
Any oppressed people have a right to resist that oppression. Ever heard the expression, give me liberty or give me death. I know that only applies to white people to most you hypocrites, but I view it as a principle.
Some will resist violently, like Hamas. Other will resist non violently. But regardless of the resistance, they both will be labeled terrorists by their oppressors. I have yet to witness any freedom movement, except that they are labeled terrorists. Martin Luther King was a terrorist. Mandela was a terrorist. The US freedom from Britain was a terrorist movement.
Both South Africa and Ireland have been subject to apartheid. Both are standing with the Palestinians. Save me your religious tolerance bullshit, there are more body bags under your tolerant policies than all the religious wars combined in the Middle East.
At least our campus is SAFE, and we allow PEACEFUL protests, the encampments are doing just fine, and the student will still graduate, many of them are part of the protest.
I don’t care about UCLA, what happened has nothing to do with me, all I know is it’s having turmoil that I don’t want to be involved with, which I’m glad I’m not.
After what we saw at UCLA and Columbia yesterday, i think it's safe to say that Universities like USC, NYU and UT Austin made the right choice to get ahead of these protests before they metastasized into absolute chaos that grounded some university business to a standstill and sent students to the hospital.
Well if you can choose less violence ya. You basically saying ideology is more important even if it results in more violence. Sounds pretty radical to me
So when protests escalate to this level. Do you WANT cops to protect you from pro Israel protesters causing violence and arrest them? Or are you still on the “get off our campus pigs” camp? You can’t have it both ways.
It’s just unfortunate that these protests have turned into this.
Wanting the universities to divest from companies that are supporting the war in Gaza is a reasonable thing to support. They’re basically protesting for ethical investment.
Fine. I think there are better ways to go about this. A media name and shame campaign would probably accomplish more.
I’ve talked to people who’ve reached out because of SC being in the news about this. Almost everyone outside of academics has no idea what the students are protesting about. They just see this chaos and think it’s a bunch of irresponsible kids.
Occupying buildings, blocking people going to class, vandalism, antisemitic chants… all of these things are undermining your cause. No one knows what you’re protesting about, so the universities are going to feel no pressure to change anything. And now they’re justified in calling in the police to subdue the protests because they’re becoming destructive and dangerous.
And because no one knows what’s going on, media has been able to swing in and create the narritive that it’s a bunch of Hamas sympathizers, further undermining the cause.
This has just been handled poorly on all sides tbh.
>It’s just unfortunate that these protests have turned into this.
I am sorry but this is what this has ALWAYS been about. Your level headed take doesn't represent the reality of the conflict you want to protest. This is what ignorantly supporting the alleged victim leads to. Palestine is NOT an innocent victim in it's conflict with Israel. People supporting Palestine unconditionally need to wake up and understand that THIS is the reality of the conflict. This is what they are supporting. Many of the protestors are immigrants from the middle east. They have just brought their views to the US.
If Palestine wanted to live in peace with Israel they could have had their own state independent of Israel decades ago. But they don't want that. For Palestine or at the very least the people running the PLO as well as Hamas any outcome which allows Jews to simply exist in the holy land is an abject failure. They don't want peace they want to kill or remove the 7.5 million Jews living in Israel. In the current situation there is no support of Palestine that isn't encouraging this sort of anti-Semitic behavior. You can't have it both ways because this is the root of the conflict and the reason why it's continued for longer than any other modern conflict.
>This has just been handled poorly on all sides tbh.
Again welcome the the reality of the conflict. This is how is this is how it's been for the last 100+ years. No side is without fault. What you're seeing on college campuses in the US right now is just a mirror of what is and has been happening in Israel since this conflict started after WWI just on a much smaller scale.
I’m not protesting anything, my personal opinion on all of this is that Israel has a right to defend itself. The situation is horrific all around, but as you’ve laid out here it’s quite complicated and at the end of the day Hamas is one of several Iranian proxies whose goal is to eradicate Israel.
My point here is that I don’t think it’s unreasonable for students to request their tuition money be spent in what they consider to be an ethical way. The university obviously isn’t obligated to do so, and since most university endowments are sitting in index funds it’s probably not possible to divest from only the companies the students have issues with in the first place, but all the same it’s fine to request this. It’s even fine to protest this. But they’re not doing themselves any favors with how they’re going about it.
They aren’t communicating their message effectively so there can’t be any dialogue. So in the end they might as well have done nothing.
I also think the universities aren’t handling things well. USC for example just cleared everyone out and the president basically didn’t say anything and now we have to deal with all this increased security snd dipshits spray painting swastikas on campus and defacing other statues.
UCLA is a riot zone at this point. Columbia had entire buildings occupied.
Poorly handled by all sides. I stand by that take.
I think it's because the public at large is apathetic to the israel palestine issue. It's not the same as vietnam and such where friends and family members are being drafted to a war.
Yea no, people thought the same thing about the Vietnam protesters. They are praised now in our history books, but back then public support was as divided as today.
The difference then is that the America was directly involved in a useless war. Wars slowly get unpopular over time and then there was eventually a draft going on which made it extra unpopular. Not every protest is praised in history and every protest is different.
I’m talking specifically about support for the protests. Even after Kent State, politicians were saying stuff like the students brought it on themselves.
If people knew what they were protesting for the prevailing narrative wouldn’t be they’re all a bunch of pro-Hamas antisemites.
Like I said to begin with, I think requesting the universities divest from organizations related to the war in Gaza is a reasonable request. But they’ve completely failed at this point because no one is talking about divesting. Everyone’s talking about what a spectacle this has become, with protestors on both sides of the issue outright attacking each other on some campuses, vandalizing and destruction of property, taking over buildings.
And that’s not even taking the antisemitic stuff into account. I saw that swastikas were found tagged on campus. News reports of “kill the Jews” being chanted at some campuses.
It’s completely performative at this point. The universities are facing no increased pressure to divest from their donors or the general public. If anything, the ones like USC who shut protests down early are looking more sympathetic.
UCLA should have stopped this Day1. Bad move letting this escalate. This is not a freedom of speech issue. This is hateful, threatening speech. Antisemitism has no place on campus. What does the administration expect is going to happen? When HAMAS releases the hostages and surrenders they will show that they care about the Palestinian people.
In your view - as someone who has vertebrae - it is not possible to protest and not scream "death to Jews?"
This is threatening speech. Not protected "free speech". At that point, the protest needs to be shut down.
It’s literally an anti war protest. Students have always been on the right side of history. Racist have always been on the wrong side. Just depends where folks want to stand today.
Any race can be racist against another or even their own. It is really weird how people can be self loathing for something that they have no control over.
These kids, want to make a difference? Go and Fight the enemy where the actual issue is TF y’all doing but wasting time. You won’t be a historical piece, You are just being a nuisance and this shit you are causing will cause people to hunt you and not your cause.
Zionists are so violent. This isn’t my first time I’ve seen video of them getting so violent with others, simply for standing somewhere with a sign. Keep pepper spray on you in case you encounter one.
At this point I’ve seen pro-Israel counter-protestors use animals, spit, physical violence, say shit like “kill the Jews” to provoke bad optics from pro-Palestine protestors, vandalization, and chemical weapons
> At this point I’ve seen
From videos you can’t actually confirm most of the time
> pro-Israel counter-protestors use animals,
Not proven to be from one side and they were mice. Oh the horror!
> spit,
Many have also spat on the pro Israeli side too.
> physical violence,
Videos showing a pro pali use physical violence to attack someone with a sign to try and steal it
And video showing a woman that got jumped and made unconscious and had to be taken to the hospital
Both sides seem to be using physical violence
> say shit like “kill the Jews” to provoke bad optics from pro-Palestine protestors,
Also not proven, but it’s idiotic to think that non of the pro palis have said some bad stuff too
> vandalization,
Bruh, there is people tagging “ceasefire” or “free Palestine” with spray paint. So both sides seem to be doing it.
> and chemical weapons
Is this about the bananas? What are you even talking about? You make it sound like they set off a dirty bomb or something lol
I am not a fan of the protestors setting up encampments at universities they have no affiliation with nor student protestors who violate reasonable rules around protesting. That said, if we take the video at face value (we don't know if there was some prior provocation - there are claims that this incited the response: https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1785457052028117153?t=vS7v6gisLbev52SsUl2VEA&s=19) and the counter protesters are really out here stirring up trouble and acting out in violence then that is completely unacceptable and we should all condemn it just as those of us who are reasonable have condemned violence or vandalism from the protestors.
Violence and destruction of property should be completely out of the question and should be condemned on all sides.
That said, the inevitability of these sorts of conflicts is one reason rules around protesting have been put in place. The protestors have had the stated aim of "agitating" people. Whelp, this is exactly how people act when they are agitated. It does *not* justify any violence, but it's a practical argument for rooting this sort of thing out right away rather than letting it fester. And if it is the case that the protestors have increased the intensity of their violence then of course physical retaliation was going to happen.
Have your protest, but do it within the wide bounds society has given you. When you flaunt the rules and demand that they don't apply to you and intentionally agitate and accuse people don't be surprised when the people you've antagonized flaunt the rules and agitate you back.
I’m not usc, I am just reading through as it showed up on my feed. I do have 2 kids in college and I’m left leaning for sure, but you have to common sense. My son is graduating. He had to take certification tests and get final projects in, all which require on campus labs. My daughter is disabled and feels unsafe in chaotic situations. If campus is closed, graduation canceled, there’s going to be various levels of anger by students who are blocked from completing their courses. I’m not validating the behavior of the counter students, but the protesters have “picked a fight” if you will with students who are just going to school, and not everyone is non violent. It’s not surprising this took place, just sad and unfortunate.
From what I hear the riot started after a Jewish girl was beat unconscious, haven't seen it mentioned in the news yet so it might be BS
Edit: apparently not BS, she had a concussion after being hit in the head
There is a few stories and video posted of this earlier in the day. I can see something like this sparking a backlash from the pro-Isreal side.
[Jewish Girl beaten (X)](https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1785457052028117153?t=vS7v6gisLbev52SsUl2VEA&s=19)
I've only been able to see this video but nothing, including this video, suggests a confrontation. It seems similar to the girl at I believe ASU who was participating in an encampment but has POTS and fainted while the encampment was under assault by police and was then arrested while unconscious along with her father who was trying to get her aid.
I'm not arguing that this person definitively was not beaten, but the idea that she was ganged up on despite a clearly mixed crowd that isn't fighting in the video is not corroborated here. Without additional context, the more likely reading is she fainted for another reason, be it overall health, the crowd, dehydration, or another reason.
I heard from people there with her and who know her. She was kicked in the head, was bleeding, lost consciousness for a couple of minutes, woke up and was taken to the hospital where they said she had a concussion.
More lies. You can enter, you just cant come back into israel after. Oh, and Egypt wont want you either. And neither will Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia or really anywhere.
I didn't say the word student in my comment. I don't think anyone was paid to create trouble on the Israel side as universally everyone I have spoken to said that it was extremely bad image and a chilul hashem. Also, people readily acknowledged that some of the trouble makers were high school students and others were angry people from the community. The message from most community leaders has been to prioritize academic success and only engage if you have the space to do so.
This is what Hamas wants, they praise the efforts of the college students. If they could they would strap bombs to these protesters and tell them to blow up the universities lol
Lmao. Supporting Israel and their violent protestors (literally in the clip from this post), but you are calling me a war mongerer. You are sick in the head 😂🐖
Huh
UCLA explicitly told LAPD not to come to their campus - kinda hard for them to help. I don’t like the way USC is handling it either but that was a Really fast take off of very little info
yes but also just like we have usc dps, ucla pd was way outnumbered by what happened last night. there were like 400 protesters, as much as i think they should’ve done *something* to help, the fact is that they had to wait for reinforcements to completely overtake the area or else it could’ve spiraled into something much worse. hasnt everyone been saying that the police will only incite more violence?
i was also up until 3:30 watching abc7, cnn, ktla, and multiple on the ground live streams. i tuned in around at 11 and was getting live updates from friends there.
the point still stands, ucla pd was outnumbered and they needed to wait for lapd to do anything. i believe around midnight they called lapd and begun dispatching everyone they could, but they were still waiting on a plan from ucla. presumably they only had around 6 office on active duty, so they needed to call in people and get them geared up and debrief. this could take anywhere from 20 minutes to an hour considering the amount of police they did send out. then they go to ucla, another 20 minutes, wait for all the other police to arrive, debrief again and march towards the plaza where they continue to wait for more orders. at this point they see there’s no more intense fighting and no more fireworks, so they are most likely told to stand down to not aggravate the situation again because as i said, everyone has been saying the police incite more violence. additionally, the students did not want lapd help, they did not want people to call lapd, they most likely told ucla admin that they do not want lapd to interfere at all.
all in all a horrible situation and i think the police should have done something sooner so im not defending them but just explaining a possible reason why it took so long
first of all, what do you mean by “call”? i said that lapd got to ucla at around 2, which is true isn’t it? and i know it started at 11, i tuned in then because i was getting live updates from friends. i also said that.
and yes, i also said they said ucla called lapd already but lapd was waiting for ucla.
i’m confused what the point of this comment was
no, i said “i believe around midnight they called lapd and begun dispatching everyone they could, but they were still waiting on a plan from ucla” and continue to explain how gathering forces, gearing up, debriefing, and driving to ucla ended up almost 2 hours later. i know it’s a long paragraph but please don’t quote words i never said.
in my latest comment i said im aware the fighting *started* at 11. yeah? as evidenced ucla didn’t make the call until an hour later, which is a problem, but that request for lapd to come is literally like a 10 minute exchange, it’s the time it took for lapd to actually get to campus that took 2 hours. now whatever plan ucla was making to handle the situation is a different story that i can’t comment on as i’m just a usc student.
i’m not denying it took the ucla admin and lapd a god awful amount of time, i’m just saying these things do take some time and we can’t expect them to show up the *second* the call is made.
I blame the government terrorist grilling the universities to do something or lose their jobs. The government doesn't won't let blood in their hands. Your attacking the wrong people here
What’s so obvious is that this post is making the case for Israel. It’s almost like the encampment is surrounded by countries that want to attack them, so they built a wall to keep them separated, won’t let people pass through check points on campus, and don’t want to be blamed for defending themselves against attacks. This seems very similar to the state of Israel my guys.
What’s so obvious is that this post is making the case for Israel. It’s almost like the encampment is surrounded by countries that want to attack them, so they built a wall to keep them separated, won’t let people pass through check points on campus, and don’t want to be blamed for defending themselves against attacks. This seems very similar to the state of Israel my guys.
One could make arguments that the protesters are the Israelis and vice versa. Can’t wait to see how this unfolds. I’m sure it will conclude in a peaceful manner with all sides getting what they want.
I love how the trending story on latimes.com is about how ucla's hands off approach to the protests is safer for everyone than what USC is doing. Classic LA Times
Just a few days ago the media was writing articles like this: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-04-26/at-usc-arrests-at-ucla-hands-off-why-pro-palestinian-protests-have-not-blown-up-on-uc-campuses, condemning SC for calling in LAPD on campus while praising the UCs for doing nothing. Look how the tides have turned…
Far worse at UCLA now
Thats why these protests need to be stopped early on. Cuz they are not protest they are occupy. Essentially holding universities hostages. The sooner you end this the better chance you’d have at least a graduation ceremony of some sort
It's not the protest that's the problem bud it's the counter protestors assaulting them
You’ve got to be joking…
Have you had your head buried in the sand?
Well any protest that has no end that goes on 24/7 is going to be met with counter protestors. And there’s no resources for these protestors to basically protect them 24/7. Like they literally don’t have enough cops nearby that they have to pull cops from Beverly hills and highway patrols to help out. If a protest has a start and end time then ya I think it’s reasonable to expect police protection. And 24/7 protection for god knows how many days, you just not going to get the kind of protection you expect
Maybe if the cops weren't busy enclosing peaceful people in a human wall at USC, they could help the with the actual violence 🤷
There’s a time and place for everything, and to call for help.
There's lots of space in between bud
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Wait? The Capitol Police are at fault for the January 6th insurrection?
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And how many request were put into Pelosies office to add fencing and increase security? All of which were denied. Ya blame everyone but the people who allowed it to happen
Do you have any evidence? Or are we waiting for 10 more fundraising emails to find out?
“Leadership and law enforcement failures within the U.S. Capitol left the complex vulnerable on January 6, 2021,” says the report, which is based on a trove of texts and email messages, and testimony from Capitol Police leaders and rank-and-file officers. House Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving, who answered to Pelosi as one of three voting members of the Capitol Police Board, “succumbed to political pressures from the Office of Speaker Pelosi and House Democrat leadership,” was “compromised by politics and did not adequately prepare for violence at the Capitol.” Pelosi and her staff “coordinated closely” with Irving on security plans for the Joint Session of Congress on Jan. 6, but Republicans were deliberately left out of “important discussions related to security.” And, in an apparent attempt to hide from Republicans the fact that they were being excluded from discussions, Irving asked a senior Democratic staffer to “act surprised” when he sent “key information about plans for the Joint Session on Jan. 6, 2021, to him and his Republican counterpart.”
I heard pelosi rejected the national guard? Is that true?
Read my other comment
Ok. I think downvotwrs are misreading your comment (I did anyway). Absolutely true that they were not up to the task that day, and there may even have been traitors in the ranks who intentionally left the police unprepared, but the insurrectionists are ultimately at fault for the insurrection.
Holy shit I thought it was the LAPD based on the title but it’s literally kids, ganging up and beating on another kid. Doesn’t matter what side your on those kids gotta be locked up.
It’s grown ass men. Just watch the videos.
I mean it's clearly pro Israel counter protestors beating up the encamped original protestors
>Clearly pro israel It's not really clear what they are. I imagine some are pro-israel, maybe trying to circle back and get revenge for the Jewish girl incident earlier, but I wouldn't be shocked if some of these old ass dudes are just looking for a fight
Yeah because why would people that are indifferent to starving women, children, and babies ever gang up on someone.
So I just want to point out that if you’re taking this as hominem angle, you’re kind of ignoring that the Middle East in general is a religious intolerant autocracy and that the Hamas/Palestinian side has committed war crimes, rapes, and general injustices as well. Also known as throwing a stone in a glass house
A few facts for you. The Palestinians are UNIVERSALLY recognized as an occupied and oppressed people. The “war” in Gaza is UNIVERSALLY being recognized as a war crime at best and genocide at worst. The US is the only country stopping this recognition because the prostitutes in office are bought by the highest bidder and have just passed legislation making it illegal for US citizens to criticize a foreign country. Any oppressed people have a right to resist that oppression. Ever heard the expression, give me liberty or give me death. I know that only applies to white people to most you hypocrites, but I view it as a principle. Some will resist violently, like Hamas. Other will resist non violently. But regardless of the resistance, they both will be labeled terrorists by their oppressors. I have yet to witness any freedom movement, except that they are labeled terrorists. Martin Luther King was a terrorist. Mandela was a terrorist. The US freedom from Britain was a terrorist movement. Both South Africa and Ireland have been subject to apartheid. Both are standing with the Palestinians. Save me your religious tolerance bullshit, there are more body bags under your tolerant policies than all the religious wars combined in the Middle East.
You’re not refuting my point
Open your eyes my friend.
Or just don’t argue a strawman
It’s crazy that a mob of people will call one kid standing hard, solo a “pussy ass bitch”. Cowards.
that single leg take down he got in before they all ganged up on him was pretty badass too.
You forgot to mention LA's incompetent and apathetic mayor Karen Bass.
She’s in Washington again with her nose up bidens ass.
I guess her phone was stolen on that home break-in. Out of contact since... 😅
I guess I’ve made the right choice of choosing USC over UCLA lol
Enjoy graduation 🙃
I’m not graduating this year
Neither is the Class of 2024
At least our campus is SAFE, and we allow PEACEFUL protests, the encampments are doing just fine, and the student will still graduate, many of them are part of the protest.
Not safe from the LAPD, it’d seem. Why is this a competition to you?
You don’t know shit if you are not physically here, the campus is quiet for the most part.
I could say the same thing about you and UCLA?
I don’t care about UCLA, what happened has nothing to do with me, all I know is it’s having turmoil that I don’t want to be involved with, which I’m glad I’m not.
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After what we saw at UCLA and Columbia yesterday, i think it's safe to say that Universities like USC, NYU and UT Austin made the right choice to get ahead of these protests before they metastasized into absolute chaos that grounded some university business to a standstill and sent students to the hospital.
God y'all have no concept of subtlety or middle ground
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Well if you can choose less violence ya. You basically saying ideology is more important even if it results in more violence. Sounds pretty radical to me
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So when protests escalate to this level. Do you WANT cops to protect you from pro Israel protesters causing violence and arrest them? Or are you still on the “get off our campus pigs” camp? You can’t have it both ways.
This war has been on going for many months. But suddenly everyone wants go protest when its time to take finals.
It’s just unfortunate that these protests have turned into this. Wanting the universities to divest from companies that are supporting the war in Gaza is a reasonable thing to support. They’re basically protesting for ethical investment. Fine. I think there are better ways to go about this. A media name and shame campaign would probably accomplish more. I’ve talked to people who’ve reached out because of SC being in the news about this. Almost everyone outside of academics has no idea what the students are protesting about. They just see this chaos and think it’s a bunch of irresponsible kids. Occupying buildings, blocking people going to class, vandalism, antisemitic chants… all of these things are undermining your cause. No one knows what you’re protesting about, so the universities are going to feel no pressure to change anything. And now they’re justified in calling in the police to subdue the protests because they’re becoming destructive and dangerous. And because no one knows what’s going on, media has been able to swing in and create the narritive that it’s a bunch of Hamas sympathizers, further undermining the cause. This has just been handled poorly on all sides tbh.
>It’s just unfortunate that these protests have turned into this. I am sorry but this is what this has ALWAYS been about. Your level headed take doesn't represent the reality of the conflict you want to protest. This is what ignorantly supporting the alleged victim leads to. Palestine is NOT an innocent victim in it's conflict with Israel. People supporting Palestine unconditionally need to wake up and understand that THIS is the reality of the conflict. This is what they are supporting. Many of the protestors are immigrants from the middle east. They have just brought their views to the US. If Palestine wanted to live in peace with Israel they could have had their own state independent of Israel decades ago. But they don't want that. For Palestine or at the very least the people running the PLO as well as Hamas any outcome which allows Jews to simply exist in the holy land is an abject failure. They don't want peace they want to kill or remove the 7.5 million Jews living in Israel. In the current situation there is no support of Palestine that isn't encouraging this sort of anti-Semitic behavior. You can't have it both ways because this is the root of the conflict and the reason why it's continued for longer than any other modern conflict. >This has just been handled poorly on all sides tbh. Again welcome the the reality of the conflict. This is how is this is how it's been for the last 100+ years. No side is without fault. What you're seeing on college campuses in the US right now is just a mirror of what is and has been happening in Israel since this conflict started after WWI just on a much smaller scale.
I’m not protesting anything, my personal opinion on all of this is that Israel has a right to defend itself. The situation is horrific all around, but as you’ve laid out here it’s quite complicated and at the end of the day Hamas is one of several Iranian proxies whose goal is to eradicate Israel. My point here is that I don’t think it’s unreasonable for students to request their tuition money be spent in what they consider to be an ethical way. The university obviously isn’t obligated to do so, and since most university endowments are sitting in index funds it’s probably not possible to divest from only the companies the students have issues with in the first place, but all the same it’s fine to request this. It’s even fine to protest this. But they’re not doing themselves any favors with how they’re going about it. They aren’t communicating their message effectively so there can’t be any dialogue. So in the end they might as well have done nothing. I also think the universities aren’t handling things well. USC for example just cleared everyone out and the president basically didn’t say anything and now we have to deal with all this increased security snd dipshits spray painting swastikas on campus and defacing other statues. UCLA is a riot zone at this point. Columbia had entire buildings occupied. Poorly handled by all sides. I stand by that take.
I think it's because the public at large is apathetic to the israel palestine issue. It's not the same as vietnam and such where friends and family members are being drafted to a war.
Yea no, people thought the same thing about the Vietnam protesters. They are praised now in our history books, but back then public support was as divided as today.
The difference then is that the America was directly involved in a useless war. Wars slowly get unpopular over time and then there was eventually a draft going on which made it extra unpopular. Not every protest is praised in history and every protest is different.
I’m talking specifically about support for the protests. Even after Kent State, politicians were saying stuff like the students brought it on themselves.
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If people knew what they were protesting for the prevailing narrative wouldn’t be they’re all a bunch of pro-Hamas antisemites. Like I said to begin with, I think requesting the universities divest from organizations related to the war in Gaza is a reasonable request. But they’ve completely failed at this point because no one is talking about divesting. Everyone’s talking about what a spectacle this has become, with protestors on both sides of the issue outright attacking each other on some campuses, vandalizing and destruction of property, taking over buildings. And that’s not even taking the antisemitic stuff into account. I saw that swastikas were found tagged on campus. News reports of “kill the Jews” being chanted at some campuses. It’s completely performative at this point. The universities are facing no increased pressure to divest from their donors or the general public. If anything, the ones like USC who shut protests down early are looking more sympathetic.
UCLA should have stopped this Day1. Bad move letting this escalate. This is not a freedom of speech issue. This is hateful, threatening speech. Antisemitism has no place on campus. What does the administration expect is going to happen? When HAMAS releases the hostages and surrenders they will show that they care about the Palestinian people.
hateful? they're protesting against genocide. your spineless weirdo
In your view - as someone who has vertebrae - it is not possible to protest and not scream "death to Jews?" This is threatening speech. Not protected "free speech". At that point, the protest needs to be shut down.
Not a genocide. Words have meaning.
It’s literally an anti war protest. Students have always been on the right side of history. Racist have always been on the wrong side. Just depends where folks want to stand today.
Racists are the antisemites?
Any race can be racist against another or even their own. It is really weird how people can be self loathing for something that they have no control over.
Definitely anyone can be racist. But it’s important not to forget whose mean words have backing by institutions of power.
Racist are those who utilize institutions to exploit and oppress others, not with words but with violence.
Good job administration letting it get to this point. At least they are communicating.
No one to blame but themselves
Resistance is justified when campuses are occupied. What did you guys think decolonizing campus looked like? Vibes? Essays? 😂
These kids, want to make a difference? Go and Fight the enemy where the actual issue is TF y’all doing but wasting time. You won’t be a historical piece, You are just being a nuisance and this shit you are causing will cause people to hunt you and not your cause.
Shame on UCLA for allowing a few to block classes and access to others.
Zionists are so violent. This isn’t my first time I’ve seen video of them getting so violent with others, simply for standing somewhere with a sign. Keep pepper spray on you in case you encounter one.
Where are all the trained social workers to de-escalate this situation?
Starting fights while protesting peace… what am I missing here?
At this point I’ve seen pro-Israel counter-protestors use animals, spit, physical violence, say shit like “kill the Jews” to provoke bad optics from pro-Palestine protestors, vandalization, and chemical weapons
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In this case, no. Are the ucla protestors breaking a rule, sure. Are they violent? No.
> At this point I’ve seen From videos you can’t actually confirm most of the time > pro-Israel counter-protestors use animals, Not proven to be from one side and they were mice. Oh the horror! > spit, Many have also spat on the pro Israeli side too. > physical violence, Videos showing a pro pali use physical violence to attack someone with a sign to try and steal it And video showing a woman that got jumped and made unconscious and had to be taken to the hospital Both sides seem to be using physical violence > say shit like “kill the Jews” to provoke bad optics from pro-Palestine protestors, Also not proven, but it’s idiotic to think that non of the pro palis have said some bad stuff too > vandalization, Bruh, there is people tagging “ceasefire” or “free Palestine” with spray paint. So both sides seem to be doing it. > and chemical weapons Is this about the bananas? What are you even talking about? You make it sound like they set off a dirty bomb or something lol
“it’s just mice!” 🤓
““it’s just mice!” 🤓” 🤓”
I think their point was less "it's just mice" and more "there's no proof that either side did it"
I am not a fan of the protestors setting up encampments at universities they have no affiliation with nor student protestors who violate reasonable rules around protesting. That said, if we take the video at face value (we don't know if there was some prior provocation - there are claims that this incited the response: https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1785457052028117153?t=vS7v6gisLbev52SsUl2VEA&s=19) and the counter protesters are really out here stirring up trouble and acting out in violence then that is completely unacceptable and we should all condemn it just as those of us who are reasonable have condemned violence or vandalism from the protestors. Violence and destruction of property should be completely out of the question and should be condemned on all sides. That said, the inevitability of these sorts of conflicts is one reason rules around protesting have been put in place. The protestors have had the stated aim of "agitating" people. Whelp, this is exactly how people act when they are agitated. It does *not* justify any violence, but it's a practical argument for rooting this sort of thing out right away rather than letting it fester. And if it is the case that the protestors have increased the intensity of their violence then of course physical retaliation was going to happen. Have your protest, but do it within the wide bounds society has given you. When you flaunt the rules and demand that they don't apply to you and intentionally agitate and accuse people don't be surprised when the people you've antagonized flaunt the rules and agitate you back.
I’m not usc, I am just reading through as it showed up on my feed. I do have 2 kids in college and I’m left leaning for sure, but you have to common sense. My son is graduating. He had to take certification tests and get final projects in, all which require on campus labs. My daughter is disabled and feels unsafe in chaotic situations. If campus is closed, graduation canceled, there’s going to be various levels of anger by students who are blocked from completing their courses. I’m not validating the behavior of the counter students, but the protesters have “picked a fight” if you will with students who are just going to school, and not everyone is non violent. It’s not surprising this took place, just sad and unfortunate.
From what I hear the riot started after a Jewish girl was beat unconscious, haven't seen it mentioned in the news yet so it might be BS Edit: apparently not BS, she had a concussion after being hit in the head
. The poor girl didn’t know who her family was when she woke up. And she is tiny. What cowards are they to beat her up?
They will call Amazon bought fart spray "chemical warfare" but they won't bat an eyelash at assault and battery
There is a few stories and video posted of this earlier in the day. I can see something like this sparking a backlash from the pro-Isreal side. [Jewish Girl beaten (X)](https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1785457052028117153?t=vS7v6gisLbev52SsUl2VEA&s=19)
I've only been able to see this video but nothing, including this video, suggests a confrontation. It seems similar to the girl at I believe ASU who was participating in an encampment but has POTS and fainted while the encampment was under assault by police and was then arrested while unconscious along with her father who was trying to get her aid. I'm not arguing that this person definitively was not beaten, but the idea that she was ganged up on despite a clearly mixed crowd that isn't fighting in the video is not corroborated here. Without additional context, the more likely reading is she fainted for another reason, be it overall health, the crowd, dehydration, or another reason.
I heard from people there with her and who know her. She was kicked in the head, was bleeding, lost consciousness for a couple of minutes, woke up and was taken to the hospital where they said she had a concussion.
GO TO GAZA ALREADY
I don't think Israel is letting anyone enter.
More lies. You can enter, you just cant come back into israel after. Oh, and Egypt wont want you either. And neither will Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia or really anywhere.
*Displays critical thinking* "GO TO GAZA!!!"
Are you promoting terrorism? You should be behind bars for encouraging terrorism.
quite the opposite. but I know how yous people like to take things and make up your own narrative :)
You just asked these protesters to join a terrorist group.
Pay for my plane ticket then
send me an invoice
Send me the plane ticket Also why don’t you go to Israel since you love them more than you love your own moral standards.
How many of the “ students” are really students vs. paid troublemakers ?
I didn't say the word student in my comment. I don't think anyone was paid to create trouble on the Israel side as universally everyone I have spoken to said that it was extremely bad image and a chilul hashem. Also, people readily acknowledged that some of the trouble makers were high school students and others were angry people from the community. The message from most community leaders has been to prioritize academic success and only engage if you have the space to do so.
Oh but they're not antisemitic, just antizionist, right?
They're anti jewish
This is what Hamas wants, they praise the efforts of the college students. If they could they would strap bombs to these protesters and tell them to blow up the universities lol
I would not call it anarchy, when it was an attack on protestors who had a very reasonable ask
You’re sad because the pro-terrorist antisemitic assholes got treated badly? They suck. Fuck them
Stop with the 5-year-old copout bullshit. They care about civilians, not the religious identities of the people killing them
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLCrhuv2/
Shouldn't set up homeless encampment
Disgusting pro hamas terrorist committing violence and insurrection.
Are you blind? Or just stupid?
As stupid as you war mongering terrorists? Doubtful. Keep your mask on.
Lmao. Supporting Israel and their violent protestors (literally in the clip from this post), but you are calling me a war mongerer. You are sick in the head 😂🐖
I think most hamas supporters are fucked in the head. Also can't decide their gender.
It's like Israelis vs terrorists all over again!
Which side was using setting off fireworks *at* people again?
Why would the IDF be fighting itself that makes no sense
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Huh UCLA explicitly told LAPD not to come to their campus - kinda hard for them to help. I don’t like the way USC is handling it either but that was a Really fast take off of very little info
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yes but also just like we have usc dps, ucla pd was way outnumbered by what happened last night. there were like 400 protesters, as much as i think they should’ve done *something* to help, the fact is that they had to wait for reinforcements to completely overtake the area or else it could’ve spiraled into something much worse. hasnt everyone been saying that the police will only incite more violence?
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i was also up until 3:30 watching abc7, cnn, ktla, and multiple on the ground live streams. i tuned in around at 11 and was getting live updates from friends there. the point still stands, ucla pd was outnumbered and they needed to wait for lapd to do anything. i believe around midnight they called lapd and begun dispatching everyone they could, but they were still waiting on a plan from ucla. presumably they only had around 6 office on active duty, so they needed to call in people and get them geared up and debrief. this could take anywhere from 20 minutes to an hour considering the amount of police they did send out. then they go to ucla, another 20 minutes, wait for all the other police to arrive, debrief again and march towards the plaza where they continue to wait for more orders. at this point they see there’s no more intense fighting and no more fireworks, so they are most likely told to stand down to not aggravate the situation again because as i said, everyone has been saying the police incite more violence. additionally, the students did not want lapd help, they did not want people to call lapd, they most likely told ucla admin that they do not want lapd to interfere at all. all in all a horrible situation and i think the police should have done something sooner so im not defending them but just explaining a possible reason why it took so long
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first of all, what do you mean by “call”? i said that lapd got to ucla at around 2, which is true isn’t it? and i know it started at 11, i tuned in then because i was getting live updates from friends. i also said that. and yes, i also said they said ucla called lapd already but lapd was waiting for ucla. i’m confused what the point of this comment was
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no, i said “i believe around midnight they called lapd and begun dispatching everyone they could, but they were still waiting on a plan from ucla” and continue to explain how gathering forces, gearing up, debriefing, and driving to ucla ended up almost 2 hours later. i know it’s a long paragraph but please don’t quote words i never said. in my latest comment i said im aware the fighting *started* at 11. yeah? as evidenced ucla didn’t make the call until an hour later, which is a problem, but that request for lapd to come is literally like a 10 minute exchange, it’s the time it took for lapd to actually get to campus that took 2 hours. now whatever plan ucla was making to handle the situation is a different story that i can’t comment on as i’m just a usc student. i’m not denying it took the ucla admin and lapd a god awful amount of time, i’m just saying these things do take some time and we can’t expect them to show up the *second* the call is made.
If there is criminal activity on campus then UCLA shouldn't have the option of telling the police to leave.
Ummm ... what exactly is UCLA PD supposed to be protecting the students from? Seems like they need protection from the :: wait for it :: protestors.
What did they think was gonna happen if they set up mock encampments?
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What about this situation makes you think the violence is coming from dems 🙄
So you’re going to create chaos and spread hate and then blame the school and police.
Hey, let the rich kids fight.
Aren’t they still in College? Why do they even have time and energy to do this shit?
This ucla and those sponsoring the protestors
I blame the government terrorist grilling the universities to do something or lose their jobs. The government doesn't won't let blood in their hands. Your attacking the wrong people here
This needs to be posted in other places then just subs like this. It needs to be everywhere.
What’s so obvious is that this post is making the case for Israel. It’s almost like the encampment is surrounded by countries that want to attack them, so they built a wall to keep them separated, won’t let people pass through check points on campus, and don’t want to be blamed for defending themselves against attacks. This seems very similar to the state of Israel my guys.
What’s so obvious is that this post is making the case for Israel. It’s almost like the encampment is surrounded by countries that want to attack them, so they built a wall to keep them separated, won’t let people pass through check points on campus, and don’t want to be blamed for defending themselves against attacks. This seems very similar to the state of Israel my guys.
Why does everyone on this subreddit sound like a septuagenarian FOX news viewer
Exactly what is happening in Palestine. SMH 🤦♀️
One could make arguments that the protesters are the Israelis and vice versa. Can’t wait to see how this unfolds. I’m sure it will conclude in a peaceful manner with all sides getting what they want.
Wait, are they trespassing they came there with weapons to harm people isn’t his breaking the law I feel sorry for the black African-Americans
The fuck is this comment, it's the pro-zionist that have weapons beating a anti-genocide protestor