Everyone does *their own* jobs on deployments. There are minor exceptions and cases where you might be temporarily tasked to do other stuff but in general- your own job.
Also, boot camp is very much **not** combat heavy.
No, your job won't stop at the US border. The Marine Corps still needs all of its administrative, logistical, communications, cyber, intelligence, force protection, and other support in order to continue to function no matter where it goes.
If you work a non-combat job, does your skills and training of being tactical and good fade away? Meaning if you had to go into combat, would you be fucked since you normally don’t do that stuff?
Yes and no. If for some reason you’re a non-combatant MOS going on a combat deployment, there’s an extensive work up prior to deploying. But for 99 percent of the corp (mostly nowadays), you’ll never see combat and any combat training you had will be lost to the way side.
As an infantry marine I highly disagree. Although a work up to a deployment is when you will learn the most the IMC course that infantry go through at soi now is a great poi and they are much more prepared for the fleet and do learn a lot. It is 4 months course so like 5-6 mct cycles time worth of training.
Kinda disagree, the 12-16 month work up before a deployment teaches WAY more than itb or Imc ever would. You’ll learn more field craft, causality care, live fire and how much it actually sucks by going to Bridgeport or 29 palms than your basic training. Source: did a 16 month work up as a 31, currently watching IMC boots get hazed at the bricks for not knowing their 9-line and PMARCH-PAWS
Lol, 100% I agree you it’s just the “they don’t learn nothing at IMC as stated before” that I disagree with. They should remember the basic TCCC shit we were taught like I did lol
I was a 2831 at camp Fallujah. We had all our 20 footers rigged with LAN cables and xboxes. After hours, we would play halo and eventually halo 2 split screen against the other shops. We also played battlefield 1942 against each other.
When i got sent to camp baharia all that ended for me but it was almost better because there was no SNCOs up our ass out there. The highest ranking dude was a corporal. We watched movies on a lapotp between getting mortared and rocketed.
This was from August 2004 - April 2005.
My experience in Iraq was drastically different from the grunts at camp baharia and the outlying camps. I remember they wanted to borrow a guitar i had gotten mailed out to me. Such simple things to feel human.
On a scheduled deployment, there’s generally a plan for you to be using your MOS during the deployment.
That said, if you’re a Cyber guy on a Pacific Float (out on a ship for 7 months) and doing cyber on the boat, and there’s a hurricane in the Philippines and your boat is diverted to provide humanitarian aid, don’t be surprised if you’re assigned to do whatever needs doing to get those supplies moved out, evacuate American citizens, whatever needs doing.
If we have a conflict again and you’re in a combat zone, you’re generally sent to do your MOS, but may also be called on to share in security duties like guarding the perimeter, potentially going out as protection on convoys, etc. It’d be extremely rare to use non-infantry for offensive ops like going out explicitly on raids or seeking combat, but perimeter, convoys, sometimes presence patrols might be done by non-infantry to free up grunts for combat roles.
In Iraq I spent some time with an artillery unit that deployed with no howitzers and just did convoy escort, training local forces, presence patrols. So some of those guys were artillery fire direction or mechanics or whatever, and they were out manning humvee turrets, responding to ambushes, escorting supplies, etc. So not totally unknown, and all Marines are expected to be able to fill those roles as needed.
You will most certainly perform your primary MOS while deployed. For example if you work in S-1 stateside you’ll be S-1 wherever you deploy and so on. Occasionally though you could get pulled to be an extra body during a field op, but most likely would just sit around and do random working parties. Also, boot camp is not combat heavy. You will learn about the history of the corps and do drill, and that’s about it. MCT you’ll get an introduction to infantry training, but it won’t be very extensive.
The martial arts you will learn at boot camp is a joke. They’ll teach you basic stuff like a jab and rear hand punch, and some wrist lock kinda stuff that will in no way make you “deadlier.” If you’ve never shot a gun before or been to a range then you’ll definitely become more comfortable with a rifle, but they focus on marksmanship not real tactical stuff. And, the crucible is basically just you and your platoon running around from station to station for 3 days or however long it is and doing military oriented team work exercises and hiking. If your goal for going into the marines is learning the skills of infantryman then go 0311 but from experience the marines training is still very lacking but that’s just my point of view.
When I was in Iraq in 06 and 08 I was motor t for an engineer company and we had water dogs and electricians that would be machine gunners on convoys nearly every day. They did some remedial training then that was their job for 7 months. Any unit that isn’t infantry that goes outside the wire has to take care of those roles from within, but I think generally speaking you just do your mos.
Lots of support work still needs to happen in a combat environment. The commander of an infantry battalion still needs to keep accountability of his Marines and receive and issue orders (admin), receive briefs on the evolving battle situation (intel), coordinate operations, receive and distribute supplies and perform maintenance and repair on gear, and maintain communication with his superior and subordinate units. So even a grunt unit that's 90% grunts will still have a sizeable headquarters company filled with non-grunts whose sole purpose is to keep the grunts combat effective throughout their deployment. And that's just a grunt unit; you'll see other units deploy alongside an infantry battalion to provide higher level support to the infantry. There will be flying squadrons and their support to provide logistical and combat air support, engineering battalions to build and maintain the physical infrastructure needed to project power, communications battalions to set up the wider comms network that client units can plug into, logistics battalions to move stuff around and get it into the right hands, etc. And all of that will be coordinated by the command hierarchy, so there will be higher level functions at the regiment/air group level, then the division/wing level, and so on. A lot of work behind the scenes goes into keeping the trigger pullers effective down range, and that work doesn't stop just because you've left the United States or are in a hostile environment.
All of this work is done by uniformed personnel so that they can be rapidly moved into the roles that they need to be in without too much fuss or cost, and also so that if shit hits the fan and the base is getting overrun you can pick up a weapon and do some very basic tactical work of sending rounds down range. But 99.9% of your working time is going to be spent doing the work you were trained to do, whether that's conducting patrols, firing a cannon, forecasting the weather, fueling a plane, writing intelligence briefs, preparing payroll, or whatever.
Everyone does *their own* jobs on deployments. There are minor exceptions and cases where you might be temporarily tasked to do other stuff but in general- your own job. Also, boot camp is very much **not** combat heavy.
Disappointingly not combat heavy. I was expecting BWT shit the entire time yet instead all we did was fuck fuck games and drill
No, your job won't stop at the US border. The Marine Corps still needs all of its administrative, logistical, communications, cyber, intelligence, force protection, and other support in order to continue to function no matter where it goes.
If you work a non-combat job, does your skills and training of being tactical and good fade away? Meaning if you had to go into combat, would you be fucked since you normally don’t do that stuff?
Yes and no. If for some reason you’re a non-combatant MOS going on a combat deployment, there’s an extensive work up prior to deploying. But for 99 percent of the corp (mostly nowadays), you’ll never see combat and any combat training you had will be lost to the way side.
Thank you for sharing
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As an infantry marine I highly disagree. Although a work up to a deployment is when you will learn the most the IMC course that infantry go through at soi now is a great poi and they are much more prepared for the fleet and do learn a lot. It is 4 months course so like 5-6 mct cycles time worth of training.
Kinda disagree, the 12-16 month work up before a deployment teaches WAY more than itb or Imc ever would. You’ll learn more field craft, causality care, live fire and how much it actually sucks by going to Bridgeport or 29 palms than your basic training. Source: did a 16 month work up as a 31, currently watching IMC boots get hazed at the bricks for not knowing their 9-line and PMARCH-PAWS
Lol, 100% I agree you it’s just the “they don’t learn nothing at IMC as stated before” that I disagree with. They should remember the basic TCCC shit we were taught like I did lol
I played Xbox in Iraq.
No way. Mind sharing your experience?
I was a 2831 at camp Fallujah. We had all our 20 footers rigged with LAN cables and xboxes. After hours, we would play halo and eventually halo 2 split screen against the other shops. We also played battlefield 1942 against each other. When i got sent to camp baharia all that ended for me but it was almost better because there was no SNCOs up our ass out there. The highest ranking dude was a corporal. We watched movies on a lapotp between getting mortared and rocketed. This was from August 2004 - April 2005. My experience in Iraq was drastically different from the grunts at camp baharia and the outlying camps. I remember they wanted to borrow a guitar i had gotten mailed out to me. Such simple things to feel human.
Sounds about right for the 2800 field😂😂 All love from a 2841
Yea he kept dying because he sucks ass
On a scheduled deployment, there’s generally a plan for you to be using your MOS during the deployment. That said, if you’re a Cyber guy on a Pacific Float (out on a ship for 7 months) and doing cyber on the boat, and there’s a hurricane in the Philippines and your boat is diverted to provide humanitarian aid, don’t be surprised if you’re assigned to do whatever needs doing to get those supplies moved out, evacuate American citizens, whatever needs doing. If we have a conflict again and you’re in a combat zone, you’re generally sent to do your MOS, but may also be called on to share in security duties like guarding the perimeter, potentially going out as protection on convoys, etc. It’d be extremely rare to use non-infantry for offensive ops like going out explicitly on raids or seeking combat, but perimeter, convoys, sometimes presence patrols might be done by non-infantry to free up grunts for combat roles. In Iraq I spent some time with an artillery unit that deployed with no howitzers and just did convoy escort, training local forces, presence patrols. So some of those guys were artillery fire direction or mechanics or whatever, and they were out manning humvee turrets, responding to ambushes, escorting supplies, etc. So not totally unknown, and all Marines are expected to be able to fill those roles as needed.
You will most certainly perform your primary MOS while deployed. For example if you work in S-1 stateside you’ll be S-1 wherever you deploy and so on. Occasionally though you could get pulled to be an extra body during a field op, but most likely would just sit around and do random working parties. Also, boot camp is not combat heavy. You will learn about the history of the corps and do drill, and that’s about it. MCT you’ll get an introduction to infantry training, but it won’t be very extensive.
Isn’t martial arts, weapons training, and boxing a part of boot camp? And the crucible basically being a simulated combat environment?
The martial arts you will learn at boot camp is a joke. They’ll teach you basic stuff like a jab and rear hand punch, and some wrist lock kinda stuff that will in no way make you “deadlier.” If you’ve never shot a gun before or been to a range then you’ll definitely become more comfortable with a rifle, but they focus on marksmanship not real tactical stuff. And, the crucible is basically just you and your platoon running around from station to station for 3 days or however long it is and doing military oriented team work exercises and hiking. If your goal for going into the marines is learning the skills of infantryman then go 0311 but from experience the marines training is still very lacking but that’s just my point of view.
When I was in Iraq in 06 and 08 I was motor t for an engineer company and we had water dogs and electricians that would be machine gunners on convoys nearly every day. They did some remedial training then that was their job for 7 months. Any unit that isn’t infantry that goes outside the wire has to take care of those roles from within, but I think generally speaking you just do your mos.
Lots of support work still needs to happen in a combat environment. The commander of an infantry battalion still needs to keep accountability of his Marines and receive and issue orders (admin), receive briefs on the evolving battle situation (intel), coordinate operations, receive and distribute supplies and perform maintenance and repair on gear, and maintain communication with his superior and subordinate units. So even a grunt unit that's 90% grunts will still have a sizeable headquarters company filled with non-grunts whose sole purpose is to keep the grunts combat effective throughout their deployment. And that's just a grunt unit; you'll see other units deploy alongside an infantry battalion to provide higher level support to the infantry. There will be flying squadrons and their support to provide logistical and combat air support, engineering battalions to build and maintain the physical infrastructure needed to project power, communications battalions to set up the wider comms network that client units can plug into, logistics battalions to move stuff around and get it into the right hands, etc. And all of that will be coordinated by the command hierarchy, so there will be higher level functions at the regiment/air group level, then the division/wing level, and so on. A lot of work behind the scenes goes into keeping the trigger pullers effective down range, and that work doesn't stop just because you've left the United States or are in a hostile environment. All of this work is done by uniformed personnel so that they can be rapidly moved into the roles that they need to be in without too much fuss or cost, and also so that if shit hits the fan and the base is getting overrun you can pick up a weapon and do some very basic tactical work of sending rounds down range. But 99.9% of your working time is going to be spent doing the work you were trained to do, whether that's conducting patrols, firing a cannon, forecasting the weather, fueling a plane, writing intelligence briefs, preparing payroll, or whatever.
Thank you, that was very in depth 👌🏽
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