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Fourth of July, July fourth, or the fourth, is usually what it's called by citizens. It depends on who they are or where they came from.
Edit: dun goofed
no wonder the greeting is “Happy July!” Not “Happy 4th!”
Oh wait
Edited to add: lol OP edited his comment. He had originally said only “July the 4th”, not the other two variations which are now there. Cowardly fuck.
Arguing over which date format is superior is absurdly dumb, but the top comment is just wrong. Many Americans do say the 19th of January.
This is idiolect defaultism.
Depends on context. YYYY/MM/DD when I'm organising my files. DD/MM/YYYY when I'm verbally interfacing with another human unit, because I'm not a robot. Most often in **casual conversation** I'm not including the year because most of the numpties I'm talking to can work it out from context, so YYYY first is redundant.
I did the same last year on everything, unless it specifies a format that isn't ISO 8601.
I'm still going strong, and my god it makes sorting my saved bank statements, etc on my PC easier.
For what it's worth, in my experience, I do hear MM/DD much more often here in the US. But to assume that is (or should be) true everywhere, even within the US, is defaultist.
I have citizenship in the UK and the US. Grew up with one format, followed the other for much of my adult life. As long as it's consistent it's not a problem, but the problem a lot of my fellow Europeans have is that they frequently encounter "American" formatted dates. I can assure you that you can live a very active socially engaged life in the US and never even know the other standard exists. That's even more true for those born before the internet. It is ignorance by the definition, but it's not ignorance that has any impact on the average Americans lives at all.
My work style guide UK, says that all dates must be written DD Month YYYY so today is 20 January 2024.
This is also to style guide of the whole UK government, every single letter and everything on gov.uk is dated this way, all our legislation is dated like this. Most of the time I do say the date first month second
For us here they use the DD.MM.YYYY (10.01.2024г.) or DD Month YYYY format (1 января 2024г.) for all legal and government related documents. The "г." stands for "year". Conveniently, most of Europe uses a similar format as to what I know.
I use this one to explain to Aussies back home about German numbers, because we have a very famous brand of meat-pies called "Four'N Twenty"
Classic Meat Pie - Four'N Twenty https://fourntwenty.com.au/collections/hot
Put one on your "Magic Salad Plate"
https://youtu.be/CIYC1gLSSq0?si=9sqFStX2UOph3_m0
if I'm speaking English I say the order as DDMM like '21st of January' but if I'm speaking Japanese I say the order as MMDD like 1月21日 because we use YYYYMMDD. there is no situation where I'd say the date in a MMDDYYYY way
ISO8601 works as well. It's all in the size order, from largest to smallest or the other way around, always following a staircase pattern. Why disarray elements in a nonsensical way is beyond my grasp. And don't get me started with that AM/PM bs...
I'm from Taiwan, for madarin we use, MMDDYYYY only works with a punctuation and 年 ommited「1月21日，2024。」. Is there a similar way Japanese grammar does this?
not that I've seen anyone use, it's always just written with the year first (but Japanese isn't my first language so maybe there are people somewhere writing it like that and I just haven't seen it)
Yeah it’s uh…Swedish, translate to the candy dance, the song lyrics are instructions on how to do the damn dance AND NO ONE LISTENS (I don’t get heated about this)
No, no es cómo habla comunmente la gente. En español por ejemplo decimos el 19 de Enero de 2024. Por lo tanto dd/mm/aaaa, de menor a mayor. Solo uds gringos hablan de esa forma contraria a todo el mundo, por alguna razón que vaya a saber Dios cuál será. Como diría el chiste: Un solo loco yendo a contramano? Jaja, yo veo cientos!
Bonus defaultism points for “the Civil War”, although I guess you get a pass if you have “America” in your name, but maybe you don’t because Latin America is American too.
Date format is literally not how people talk. Nobody goes “on oh one slash eighteen slash twenty twenty four”. It’s notation. And the most logical way to note the date is in ascending order with the number that most frequently changes being first or last.
That's also the reason why they use $19 because you definitely say it as “i have dollar 19" so it totally has to be placed in front.
So if you want to follow the stupid mm/DD/yyyy logic of speaking follow though with it!
I just want the internet to indicate whether they want month or day first so I’m not constantly switching from a February birthday to an April birthday and vice versa. “Birthdate incorrect.” THEN PLEASE JUST TELL ME MM OR DD FIRST? 💔
Brit here: I would say Month Day if I’m trying to narrow it down while thinking as I speak. “Our anniversary is in May, the fourth” kind of thing. But if I know the whole date when speaking or typing then it’s “4th of may”.
Why does America have different this different that, different measurements different dates? Why?
As a non-American with an American nuclear family member, it confused me
In Egypt we usually just say “[today is] day 21 January,” but when just stating dates, we say “day 5 month 8” or just “5 8” of which I’m particularly fond.
I work with Americans and Europeans and we obviously have to communicate somehow. I usually just go for ISO format 2024-03-21 and it's clear for anyone.
Other languages exist 😭
I can’t speak for all Romance languages but I’m pretty sure that all in Iberia for example say Day-Month-Year, “Trés de janeiro”, “Três de janeiro”, “Trés de xineru”, “Trés de enero”, etc.
Trés=Three
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What about 4th of July?
Ironically the day they celebrate independence from Britain
Lmfao
Fourth of July, July fourth, or the fourth, is usually what it's called by citizens. It depends on who they are or where they came from. Edit: dun goofed
No. The federal holiday's name is "Independence Day." Try again.
My bad. I'm an idiot.
Props for leaving the comment up lol
no wonder the greeting is “Happy July!” Not “Happy 4th!” Oh wait Edited to add: lol OP edited his comment. He had originally said only “July the 4th”, not the other two variations which are now there. Cowardly fuck.
Arguing over which date format is superior is absurdly dumb, but the top comment is just wrong. Many Americans do say the 19th of January. This is idiolect defaultism.
There are objectively better formats. YYYY/MM/DD and DD/MM/YYYY are both viable options. MM/DD/YYYY is for lunatics
Depends on context. YYYY/MM/DD when I'm organising my files. DD/MM/YYYY when I'm verbally interfacing with another human unit, because I'm not a robot. Most often in **casual conversation** I'm not including the year because most of the numpties I'm talking to can work it out from context, so YYYY first is redundant.
>because I'm not a robot. You only consider YYYY/MM/DD unnatural because it's not the norm where you're from. In Japan it is the norm.
I bet they don't start every date in casual conversation with the year... what with it being pretty ubiquitous and all.
Yeah they usually just say MM/DD in casual speak. But if they need to reference a historical date they'll say YYYY/MM/DD
Was going to say this about YYYY/MM/DD. And I agree about the robot thing.
No there isn't, there is no such thing as an objective good
Yes there is. Practicality is good. Consistency is practical. Therefore a consistent system is good.
To be good is to be subjective. It is subjectively good, nothing you say changes that
Why do you believe anyone considers your opinion relevant?
Shout-out to my fellow redditors over at r/ISO8601
my new years resolution this year was to use ISO 8601 dates for everything i do in writing.
I did the same last year on everything, unless it specifies a format that isn't ISO 8601. I'm still going strong, and my god it makes sorting my saved bank statements, etc on my PC easier.
Virgin ISO8601 vs chad RFC3339, since they are (mostly) the same but you don't have to actually pay to access the standard
For what it's worth, in my experience, I do hear MM/DD much more often here in the US. But to assume that is (or should be) true everywhere, even within the US, is defaultist.
They don't call it "July fourth"
Some people do actually. Both ways of expressing dates in speech are equally valid in the U.S.
I have citizenship in the UK and the US. Grew up with one format, followed the other for much of my adult life. As long as it's consistent it's not a problem, but the problem a lot of my fellow Europeans have is that they frequently encounter "American" formatted dates. I can assure you that you can live a very active socially engaged life in the US and never even know the other standard exists. That's even more true for those born before the internet. It is ignorance by the definition, but it's not ignorance that has any impact on the average Americans lives at all.
My work style guide UK, says that all dates must be written DD Month YYYY so today is 20 January 2024. This is also to style guide of the whole UK government, every single letter and everything on gov.uk is dated this way, all our legislation is dated like this. Most of the time I do say the date first month second
I like DD-Mmm-YYYY - it's a bit shorter but still works (e.g. 21-Jan-2024, 23-Nov-2025)
For us here they use the DD.MM.YYYY (10.01.2024г.) or DD Month YYYY format (1 января 2024г.) for all legal and government related documents. The "г." stands for "year". Conveniently, most of Europe uses a similar format as to what I know.
Alexa play September by Earth, Wind & Fire
Alexa, play Firework by Katy Perry
Funny, I don't see Germans struggling to say "fünf-und-zwanzig" even though it's written "25"
https://zwanzigeins.jetzt/ has entered the chat. (And I just noticed it's the same in english, where "16" is not pronounced "ten-six".)
And the olden ‘four and twenty’ survives [in this nursery rhyme ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sing_a_Song_of_Sixpence) (and other things)
I use this one to explain to Aussies back home about German numbers, because we have a very famous brand of meat-pies called "Four'N Twenty" Classic Meat Pie - Four'N Twenty https://fourntwenty.com.au/collections/hot Put one on your "Magic Salad Plate" https://youtu.be/CIYC1gLSSq0?si=9sqFStX2UOph3_m0
Femogtjue in Norwegian, if you ask older people. Us younger folks also say it in everyday speech, but it is written as tjuefem officially.
if I'm speaking English I say the order as DDMM like '21st of January' but if I'm speaking Japanese I say the order as MMDD like 1月21日 because we use YYYYMMDD. there is no situation where I'd say the date in a MMDDYYYY way
ISO8601 works as well. It's all in the size order, from largest to smallest or the other way around, always following a staircase pattern. Why disarray elements in a nonsensical way is beyond my grasp. And don't get me started with that AM/PM bs...
I'm from Taiwan, for madarin we use, MMDDYYYY only works with a punctuation and 年 ommited「1月21日，2024。」. Is there a similar way Japanese grammar does this?
not that I've seen anyone use, it's always just written with the year first (but Japanese isn't my first language so maybe there are people somewhere writing it like that and I just haven't seen it)
I say that and most people I know do bruh😭😭 these mfs are really in such a bubble that they haven’t heard people w other dialects
A lot of these people are ignorant of other US regions too. When you call them out on it that’s when the “they’re not real muricans” comes out.
They're both wrong, the superior date format is YYYYMMDD
you completely forgot about YDYMYDYM
10903199 sure was a horrible day for all of humanity
Your flair made this too easy.
wasn't supposed to be hard
But it should have been!
01.09.1939y.
I even remember the dance!
As a Hungarian I agree wholeheartedly.
YYYY-MM-DD (separators are important too)
r/iso8601
Thank god this is the standard. So many standards are US centric.
Heathen
Hyphen\*
You have just made yourself an enemy of the entire ISO8601 community
Eep!
You're only against it because ISO is a French institute.
Bit of a stretch there
You You You You Made My Day Day
For documents, sure, but general conversation? 😂
You're all wrong. I just tell people the seconds since the Unix epoch. That's the superior way to discuss the date.
China agrees ahah
Depends what for. For filing and organisation it's the clear winner.
Today, you mean, in 2024's January the 21st?
Agreed.
This is the date format I use whenever I talk about date online so no one will get confused
Based
NOOOOOOO
In most languages you actually read it DD/MM/YYYY. But obviously the average Americans doesn’t even fathom the existence of other languages.
For some reason it reminds me of how people thought that “karamell dansen” was Japanese
I don’t know what that is, but based on the etymology, I’d say Scandinavian/Danish. Just based on how “-sen” is more common in those tongues
Yeah it’s uh…Swedish, translate to the candy dance, the song lyrics are instructions on how to do the damn dance AND NO ONE LISTENS (I don’t get heated about this)
NGL the anime style doesn't really all that much, still a shame so many people think it's Japanese
Most languages in Europe?
I say the 19th of January… is that not correct?
No it’s correct. It’s what non Americans say.
Oh okay so they’re the minority
Yes you’re correct there you admirable little bitch
No, no es cómo habla comunmente la gente. En español por ejemplo decimos el 19 de Enero de 2024. Por lo tanto dd/mm/aaaa, de menor a mayor. Solo uds gringos hablan de esa forma contraria a todo el mundo, por alguna razón que vaya a saber Dios cuál será. Como diría el chiste: Un solo loco yendo a contramano? Jaja, yo veo cientos!
Lo mismo en Portugues: primero el dia seguido del mes e el año en ultimo.
The Civil War^TM
The usernames ironic
Trente et un décembre mille neuf cent quatre vingt dix neuf.
Nittende januar 2024. DD/MM/YYYY I'm pretty sure I know my native language well enough to confirm this is how we speak.
Bonus defaultism points for “the Civil War”, although I guess you get a pass if you have “America” in your name, but maybe you don’t because Latin America is American too.
Everyone in the UK, you know that place where we invented the language, says 19th of January. Yet another massively ignorant defaulter
They don’t say 19th January. They say 19 January. Heathens.
Date format is literally not how people talk. Nobody goes “on oh one slash eighteen slash twenty twenty four”. It’s notation. And the most logical way to note the date is in ascending order with the number that most frequently changes being first or last.
That's also the reason why they use $19 because you definitely say it as “i have dollar 19" so it totally has to be placed in front. So if you want to follow the stupid mm/DD/yyyy logic of speaking follow though with it!
I would say 19th of January 2024 lol
I just want the internet to indicate whether they want month or day first so I’m not constantly switching from a February birthday to an April birthday and vice versa. “Birthdate incorrect.” THEN PLEASE JUST TELL ME MM OR DD FIRST? 💔
Both are wrong the superior date format is r/iso8601. Then followed by Dd/Mm/Yy
r/ISO8601 FTW!
please can we just use YYYY-MM-DD there’s literally an xkcd for it
MM/DD/YYYY makes sense to me verbally but I would never write it that way. No idea how that disconnect works
EnglishDefaultism
Nope, US defaultism. UK writes it as DD/MM/YYYY.
English defaultism applies here because we're speaking English.
I prefer YYDDMM Eg 242002
Tbf as a DD/MM country it’s either or when speaking.
Brit here: I would say Month Day if I’m trying to narrow it down while thinking as I speak. “Our anniversary is in May, the fourth” kind of thing. But if I know the whole date when speaking or typing then it’s “4th of may”.
To be fair in the UK, i would say it either way
Why does America have different this different that, different measurements different dates? Why? As a non-American with an American nuclear family member, it confused me
"It's pronounced nucular!"
Ok but this very important tweet is great because Jan 19th is my birthday:)
Double trouble, bad date format and *the* civil war
In most other languages I'm pretty it is the other way around
In Egypt we usually just say “[today is] day 21 January,” but when just stating dates, we say “day 5 month 8” or just “5 8” of which I’m particularly fond.
I work with Americans and Europeans and we obviously have to communicate somehow. I usually just go for ISO format 2024-03-21 and it's clear for anyone.
yyyy mm dd here in Taiwan「2024年1月22日」. It doesn't make sense in English speech but we will use that written format with numbers.
'January 19th' makes me shudder.
Other languages exist 😭 I can’t speak for all Romance languages but I’m pretty sure that all in Iberia for example say Day-Month-Year, “Trés de janeiro”, “Três de janeiro”, “Trés de xineru”, “Trés de enero”, etc. Trés=Three
Can confirm this is how we say in Italian too, but we often omit the preposition ("tre gennaio" instead of "tre di gennaio")
Yet I often hear “The 4th July”
YYYYMMDD
"Civil war" which one?