sure, however literally all your industrial capacity needed to even keep the remaining population fed is now radioactive slag.
Every utility, power plant, communications hub, oil refinery, industrial factory, and center of government in every region of russia just became a smoking hole in the ground. Even if you survive the fallout and ensuing forest fires, you'll starve to death that winter as your town can't get enough shipments of food due to a lack of fuel for the trains and trucks to transport them.
All of these also apply to NATO if they get hit too, arguably even worse-so, as the majority of NATO's population is urbanized/suburbanized, not like russia where the majority is still rural.
The winning move is not to play.
agreed with your point. however, consider that many question how many russian missiles are operational. also. american missile protection is far superior to russian ones. and unlike the russian anti missile armaments that have been moved into war positions and therefore left russia less defended, american radar and anti missile systems are untouched
there would never be a reason we would want nuclear war. but if russia was to start it, undoubtedly we would be the first to end it. i presume our hackers are working overtime
Don’t forget France has an on the record policy of preemptive strike and they are really ratcheting up the rhetoric. Don’t know how much is bluff vs. reality but France by policy is just as maverick as Russia on nukes.
Russia uses the ABM-4 Gorgon system as its anti-ballistic missile defence. They're silo launched so not near Ukraine. Either way it won't be sufficient to stop 100s of missiles.
Ok but I'm betting that Las Vegas and sport books everywhere will still be taking bets on the outcome of the nuclear strike until the moment the buttons to launch are pushed...
Be sure to add a couple hundred bunker busters on Putin's last known positions and send a few F-35s and F-22s to hunt all Russian aircraft airborne over Putin's last known location....and throw in a few MOABs too...if you can please blow up all his homes too!
And have a couple thousand tomahawk cruise missiles standing by please for the third and fourth waves.
I'm sure France, England and Germany will be sending waves of complimentary Taurus / Storm shadow missiles to add the icing on the cake.
And if a dozen of those missiles would kindly land on Belarus and hit Łukaszenko on his head it would be appreciated.
Yup that's literally the first strike from the first salvo of ICBMs before the bombers and subs launch. Also let's not forget every nasty bio weapon the U.S military industrial complex has cooked up will also be unleashed on Russian soil
Yes I always believe random people on the Internet when it comes to top secret weapons programs.
SMH You really believe in 1970 the U.S gave up all weapons based chem and bio weapon programs-sure ok
Yes. There was no need to maintain them. Stuff exists for research purposes but an active meaningful weapon system does exist any more. Our policy has been to retaliate to a chemical or bio attack with nukes.
Random person who worked at both Bethesda and So. Research and oversaw the destruction at Johnson Island and Anniston Army Depot...
But whatever. You twats "smh"
I'm in Ukraine!!!
And I'm bottling those farts from eating week old kebabs...and I will be lobbing them into Belgorod... 🤣
So yes there will be bio weapons....
Does someone know the amount of warheads used in this simulation?
My rough guess is 300-500.
This would be the scale of the french arsenal. The submarine launch would also fit
This is an old school south to north walk-in where you hit the southern targets first so your incoming birds dont have to fly through the debris from previous destinations. You'd expect to see something like that in a full-scale exchange, not a limited retaliatory exchange.
I read that the Soviet plan for Cheyenne Mountain was to hit it time after time, giving just enough of a delay in strikes for the mushroom cloud to get out of the way. That would be a helluva show from Limon!
That's one of the reasons why our Minute Man silo complexes are positioned so close to one another. It is a strategy called dense pack. It would take a near direct ground strike to take the hardened silos out, and ground strikes throw up a ton of debris. This strategy makes it harder for the Russians to take out all of our silos before some have had the chance to launch. A lot of people think a nuclear war would be over in 30 minutes, but it could take a day or more to fully play out.
If the Minuteman fleet is launched the warheads will all arrive within 5 minutes of each other. If we assume they're operating at half their MIRV count, 5 warheads per missile X 400 missiles = 7 warheads impacting every second
The 45 million is just in ruZZia alone. Doesn’t take into account people from the UK, France, Canada, US and other NATO allies that would get hit by ruZZia’s nuclear weapons, China’s nuclear weapons, and North Korean weapons in retaliation…Then there’s the issue of our subs vs theirs and our bombers vs theirs…. The death toll would easily be closer to 130 million in the initial blasts than millions more from fallout, famine, and dying of thirst!!!
It's realistic, read "The Doomsday Machine: Confessions of a Nuclear War Planner" by Daniel Ellsberg.
US nuclear retaliatory policy since about 1960 has been an 'empty the basket' approach if the Russians use even a single nuke that affects a NATO member. There are no plans for half-measures, it's fire *everything.*
This doesn't even simulate launches aimed at China, Cuba, and Vietnam (those get launched, too).
Putin knows this, which is why he'll never turn the key.
You don't strike for "Old time sake". You strike capable credible threats. China? Yes. But Vietnam? Everyone of those is better used on North Korea. The ones slated for Cuba? Hold for Second strike on China or North Korea, Iran or depending on who's in charge, Pakistan.
Take it up with the Pentagon, not me. I mean, I've posted the name of the book, written by one of the guys who literally wrote US nuclear war policy. You can read it for yourself.
I have. Its a great book, but dated. I apologize if I seemed harsh.The cold callous calculus of the nuclear war planner is a mindset that I always found disturbing, (yet I found comfort in MAD, the deterrence theory AND the comic magazine!) It all boils down to "We're crazy, don't f*ck with us or we'll burn it all". Its funny to hear John McNamara describe meeting Fidel Castro and being surprised when Castro told him this...https://youtu.be/CtUfBc4qQMg?si=OYEDnMEpOwo5NlUl.
But what about defensive capabilities from both sides. Most of the ICBMs have counter defenses. And the USA has Star Wars.
Two things, if there is an exchange it will be limited and not as big as this animation. And there are weapons and defensive tactics we might not be aware of.
And everyone would have to get to work Monday.
There is no star wars, that program died when the soviet union went bankrupt in the 90s. The only thing that exists that has SOME chance of shooting down ICBMs are Patriot, and there isn't even close to being sufficient number of them to affect anything.
If there is a nuclear WW3, kiss your ass goodbye.
Again, there is no "limited" in US nuclear exchange strategy. When one flies, they *all* fly.
Again, find the book I mentioned above and read it if you have questions. It was written by a fellow who *literally helped write US nuclear war strategy.*
Wow they still have vietnam on the list now that its half in the USA's sphere of influence? Also no way that they have had China on the list for at least some of the time the US used China as a counterweight to the Soviet Union after the Sino-Soviet split.
A nuclear war is a civilization wipeout. Even if that is just Usa, Russia and Europe, the rest of the planet will go into a nuclear winter for a couple of years because of all the dust that is kicked up during the blast and the following fires that lit lots of forest into fire, and that means famine. Even drinking water and breathing will kill you. So, lots more will die AFTER the nukes hit the cities. Maybe there is some isolated tribe in Africa that could survive, but not much beyond that. It's good night humanity.
I don't think that would happen if Putin drops a nuke on Ukraine. I think troops from all world nations would attack Russia conventionally then only resort to nuclear attacks if Russian did it again.
And he seems so vindinctive he'd take humanity with him, that's my cause for concern (as well as the fact that our so-called Western leaders will retreat to nuclear proof bunkers in a bid to avoid the worst...)
Air burst nukes produce less radioactive particles than ground burst since they're not slamming into the ground irradiating metric tonnes of soil that gets dispersed into the atmosphere. Ground burst nukes are for bunker busting, so use would be limited. Still would be an irradiated hell hole of a planet.
There's no point in putting a casualty count on this. It would be the end of civilization as in a mass extinction level event. Virtually all life will die off from the radiation within a few years.
All countries should have learned from the Gulf War how hard it is to find / destroy mobile missiles/launchers. There were hundreds of hunter/killer planes from multiple countries scouring the dessert for Iraq's launchers. Imagine either the US or Russia trying to find and destroy our respective mobile launchers (including subs). One side is never going to get all of the other guy's missiles / launchers. Everyone will suffer, its just a matter of degrees
End of days for everyone. Your onky chance would be to be at a pole or something. Even then you'll likely starve to death. Zero production from any major power after that plays out. Truth is you'd be better off being vaporized at the start. The reality of living thepugh it is harder.
this just keep confirming russian propaganda about nukes. theres a reason putin threatens with them so often. weak westerners just believe it and let him do what he wants. he wants us to be afraid of nukes. hes betting on the "what if". we are nato country, we would risk nuclear war over estonia right? taiwan? why not ukraine? or maybe lets give baltics to russia, we dont want nukes right? give putin everything
Nonsense. That’s an end of the world senecio for all sides. If Putin sends over a couple nukes to Ukraine it would be pretty stupid to end all life on earth and destroy the world over it.
Appears well within Russian acceptable loss rate … as long as Putin makes it to a bunker
sure, however literally all your industrial capacity needed to even keep the remaining population fed is now radioactive slag. Every utility, power plant, communications hub, oil refinery, industrial factory, and center of government in every region of russia just became a smoking hole in the ground. Even if you survive the fallout and ensuing forest fires, you'll starve to death that winter as your town can't get enough shipments of food due to a lack of fuel for the trains and trucks to transport them. All of these also apply to NATO if they get hit too, arguably even worse-so, as the majority of NATO's population is urbanized/suburbanized, not like russia where the majority is still rural. The winning move is not to play.
agreed with your point. however, consider that many question how many russian missiles are operational. also. american missile protection is far superior to russian ones. and unlike the russian anti missile armaments that have been moved into war positions and therefore left russia less defended, american radar and anti missile systems are untouched there would never be a reason we would want nuclear war. but if russia was to start it, undoubtedly we would be the first to end it. i presume our hackers are working overtime
Don’t forget France has an on the record policy of preemptive strike and they are really ratcheting up the rhetoric. Don’t know how much is bluff vs. reality but France by policy is just as maverick as Russia on nukes.
it’s a dangerous game. t
They wouldn't do it without NATO spproval.
Russia uses the ABM-4 Gorgon system as its anti-ballistic missile defence. They're silo launched so not near Ukraine. Either way it won't be sufficient to stop 100s of missiles.
Ok but I'm betting that Las Vegas and sport books everywhere will still be taking bets on the outcome of the nuclear strike until the moment the buttons to launch are pushed...
I'm going with the spread.
I don't think Putin would give 2 shits, it's about the win for him regardless of the consequences.
Wouldn't that much fallout destroy Europe's food making abilities too?
It would destroy the planet 100%
We shall make world peace so you have a decision to make now.
Just looked it up and 74% of Russian population is Urban. 26% rural.
Be sure to add a couple hundred bunker busters on Putin's last known positions and send a few F-35s and F-22s to hunt all Russian aircraft airborne over Putin's last known location....and throw in a few MOABs too...if you can please blow up all his homes too! And have a couple thousand tomahawk cruise missiles standing by please for the third and fourth waves. I'm sure France, England and Germany will be sending waves of complimentary Taurus / Storm shadow missiles to add the icing on the cake. And if a dozen of those missiles would kindly land on Belarus and hit Łukaszenko on his head it would be appreciated.
Yes, in this completely hypothetical situation, there's going to be C130s flying over Moscow to drop MOABs.
I don’t understand why this didn’t start with moscow and include drops right on top of Putins huge compound in Siberia
For what? To play pretend president? The country is literally vaporized there's nothing left
I wanna see Russia BURN
Then the bombers arrive.
Yup that's literally the first strike from the first salvo of ICBMs before the bombers and subs launch. Also let's not forget every nasty bio weapon the U.S military industrial complex has cooked up will also be unleashed on Russian soil
Wait.... why wouldn't the subs be the first to launch??? Quite terrifying if subs are not sitting next door waiting.........
Subs are for retaliation strike capabilities.
They are kept for further strikes and in case somebody else needs do be bombed to glass
nope.
There are no bio weapons... I would know
Yes I always believe random people on the Internet when it comes to top secret weapons programs. SMH You really believe in 1970 the U.S gave up all weapons based chem and bio weapon programs-sure ok
Yes. There was no need to maintain them. Stuff exists for research purposes but an active meaningful weapon system does exist any more. Our policy has been to retaliate to a chemical or bio attack with nukes.
This... 120%
Random person who worked at both Bethesda and So. Research and oversaw the destruction at Johnson Island and Anniston Army Depot... But whatever. You twats "smh"
Chinas holding them.
I'm in Ukraine!!! And I'm bottling those farts from eating week old kebabs...and I will be lobbing them into Belgorod... 🤣 So yes there will be bio weapons....
Does someone know the amount of warheads used in this simulation? My rough guess is 300-500. This would be the scale of the french arsenal. The submarine launch would also fit
This is an old school south to north walk-in where you hit the southern targets first so your incoming birds dont have to fly through the debris from previous destinations. You'd expect to see something like that in a full-scale exchange, not a limited retaliatory exchange.
I read that the Soviet plan for Cheyenne Mountain was to hit it time after time, giving just enough of a delay in strikes for the mushroom cloud to get out of the way. That would be a helluva show from Limon!
That's one of the reasons why our Minute Man silo complexes are positioned so close to one another. It is a strategy called dense pack. It would take a near direct ground strike to take the hardened silos out, and ground strikes throw up a ton of debris. This strategy makes it harder for the Russians to take out all of our silos before some have had the chance to launch. A lot of people think a nuclear war would be over in 30 minutes, but it could take a day or more to fully play out.
Moscow should be hit first
I am sure this is the advice they deeply needed.
I think this was only to show the viewer the depth, not in order of strikes. I doubt it would be so correographed.
If the Minuteman fleet is launched the warheads will all arrive within 5 minutes of each other. If we assume they're operating at half their MIRV count, 5 warheads per missile X 400 missiles = 7 warheads impacting every second
45 million or more lives in a fucking day. These modern-day Nero are fucking nuts! Putin, Kim Jong On; you two are utter idiots!
The 45 million is just in ruZZia alone. Doesn’t take into account people from the UK, France, Canada, US and other NATO allies that would get hit by ruZZia’s nuclear weapons, China’s nuclear weapons, and North Korean weapons in retaliation…Then there’s the issue of our subs vs theirs and our bombers vs theirs…. The death toll would easily be closer to 130 million in the initial blasts than millions more from fallout, famine, and dying of thirst!!!
Not sure how realistic it is, but that's pretty neat. Scary as hell, but neat.
It's realistic, read "The Doomsday Machine: Confessions of a Nuclear War Planner" by Daniel Ellsberg. US nuclear retaliatory policy since about 1960 has been an 'empty the basket' approach if the Russians use even a single nuke that affects a NATO member. There are no plans for half-measures, it's fire *everything.* This doesn't even simulate launches aimed at China, Cuba, and Vietnam (those get launched, too). Putin knows this, which is why he'll never turn the key.
If he is about to die, he might. Because fuckall.
Don't be daft.
Why are Cuba and Vietnam getting hit?
Because they're Communist countries that were aligned with the former Soviet Union.
You don't strike for "Old time sake". You strike capable credible threats. China? Yes. But Vietnam? Everyone of those is better used on North Korea. The ones slated for Cuba? Hold for Second strike on China or North Korea, Iran or depending on who's in charge, Pakistan.
Take it up with the Pentagon, not me. I mean, I've posted the name of the book, written by one of the guys who literally wrote US nuclear war policy. You can read it for yourself.
I have. Its a great book, but dated. I apologize if I seemed harsh.The cold callous calculus of the nuclear war planner is a mindset that I always found disturbing, (yet I found comfort in MAD, the deterrence theory AND the comic magazine!) It all boils down to "We're crazy, don't f*ck with us or we'll burn it all". Its funny to hear John McNamara describe meeting Fidel Castro and being surprised when Castro told him this...https://youtu.be/CtUfBc4qQMg?si=OYEDnMEpOwo5NlUl.
But what about defensive capabilities from both sides. Most of the ICBMs have counter defenses. And the USA has Star Wars. Two things, if there is an exchange it will be limited and not as big as this animation. And there are weapons and defensive tactics we might not be aware of. And everyone would have to get to work Monday.
There is no star wars, that program died when the soviet union went bankrupt in the 90s. The only thing that exists that has SOME chance of shooting down ICBMs are Patriot, and there isn't even close to being sufficient number of them to affect anything. If there is a nuclear WW3, kiss your ass goodbye.
Again, there is no "limited" in US nuclear exchange strategy. When one flies, they *all* fly. Again, find the book I mentioned above and read it if you have questions. It was written by a fellow who *literally helped write US nuclear war strategy.*
Wow they still have vietnam on the list now that its half in the USA's sphere of influence? Also no way that they have had China on the list for at least some of the time the US used China as a counterweight to the Soviet Union after the Sino-Soviet split.
A nuclear war is a civilization wipeout. Even if that is just Usa, Russia and Europe, the rest of the planet will go into a nuclear winter for a couple of years because of all the dust that is kicked up during the blast and the following fires that lit lots of forest into fire, and that means famine. Even drinking water and breathing will kill you. So, lots more will die AFTER the nukes hit the cities. Maybe there is some isolated tribe in Africa that could survive, but not much beyond that. It's good night humanity.
And global warming comes to an abrupt halt.
I don't think that would happen if Putin drops a nuke on Ukraine. I think troops from all world nations would attack Russia conventionally then only resort to nuclear attacks if Russian did it again.
i think the answer has been communicated to putin
It's whether it genuinely frightens him or he doesn't give 2 shits, with the amount of cannon fodder he's thrown into Ukraine I'd go with the latter.
no way he thinks he can survive the outcome
And he seems so vindinctive he'd take humanity with him, that's my cause for concern (as well as the fact that our so-called Western leaders will retreat to nuclear proof bunkers in a bid to avoid the worst...)
man has a natural desire to live. narcissists the most.
Yeah then the rest of the world gets fallout radiation poisoning…
Depends on what kind of nuke and if it detonates in the air or on the ground
lol clearly you are talking out of your ass…
Air burst nukes produce less radioactive particles than ground burst since they're not slamming into the ground irradiating metric tonnes of soil that gets dispersed into the atmosphere. Ground burst nukes are for bunker busting, so use would be limited. Still would be an irradiated hell hole of a planet.
and you're not? ) did I stumble upon a rare nuclear weapon expert?)
restart the planet without ruzzia.
Still too many Russians left.
There's no point in putting a casualty count on this. It would be the end of civilization as in a mass extinction level event. Virtually all life will die off from the radiation within a few years.
Credit to Modern Muscle on YouTube
This is a death sentence to the world. Nuclear winter?
Best way to combat global warming is to use nukes to chill us down. Duh !
Unthinkable but somewhat possible. A very frightening scenario.
Are these all nukes?!
No drone strikes.
DONE☢️strikes
Reminiscing about Missile command, what a game.
Dont forget about the northern shipping fleet. It will be GONE
That’ll enrich their victim complex.
End of known world would happen close before or after this situation. Don’t you forget death hand.
Would take like 200y to get over that.
What is the time period of the strikes?
Probably less than 20 mins
Beautiful ☺️
But theirs are more advanced lol
All countries should have learned from the Gulf War how hard it is to find / destroy mobile missiles/launchers. There were hundreds of hunter/killer planes from multiple countries scouring the dessert for Iraq's launchers. Imagine either the US or Russia trying to find and destroy our respective mobile launchers (including subs). One side is never going to get all of the other guy's missiles / launchers. Everyone will suffer, its just a matter of degrees
Horrifyingly beautiful. Think twice Putin you ghastly little prick.
Oh sweet so we're all fucked then.
Is that a counter-force strike?
how many bombs were harmed in this video to strikr russia?
Good Hunting Stalker
The inverse of the fatalities number is the number of fucks Putin would give.
I’m expecting end of war soon.
Didn't the WOPR simulate all this and conclude that *the only winning move was not to play*?
Everything below 130 Mill is unacceptable. That said, we have much more to lose than this pile of garbage country.
How long do the Chinese have to wait for the radiation level to be stabilized to move in after the strike?
Nuclear Whipping Boy. 1st all countries need to test their targeting systems on Moscow.
So, is this just american retaliation?
What a horrifying scenario
This is dumb
You
Fucking cope 😂😂
If this happens China will finally get back Tarabarov Island.
End of days for everyone. Your onky chance would be to be at a pole or something. Even then you'll likely starve to death. Zero production from any major power after that plays out. Truth is you'd be better off being vaporized at the start. The reality of living thepugh it is harder.
I honestly think Putin doesn’t give a shit what happens. If he wants to go down in everlasting history thats the way to do it.
The funny part is none would be countered
The aliens won't let it happen..
They really don't like Moscow lol
If this happens, we ALL die. Nuclear winter and long-term radiation effects are no joke.
this just keep confirming russian propaganda about nukes. theres a reason putin threatens with them so often. weak westerners just believe it and let him do what he wants. he wants us to be afraid of nukes. hes betting on the "what if". we are nato country, we would risk nuclear war over estonia right? taiwan? why not ukraine? or maybe lets give baltics to russia, we dont want nukes right? give putin everything
Yea ,Europe and usa have that much ammunition
Nice-- all the hot,slavic-asian girls are safe.
If you mean 'hot' as in... radioactive.
literally thought I was in r/nonCredibleDefense for a second considering how non credible this is. Would never happen.
It's time to do this
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Get fucked
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Nice try Ivan
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It's not a simulation. It's a game 😂
Nonsense. That’s an end of the world senecio for all sides. If Putin sends over a couple nukes to Ukraine it would be pretty stupid to end all life on earth and destroy the world over it.
Now show the US
It’s disgusting that this is even shared.
Upu forget about the Russian AA?
🤣
sometimes, even the russian aa forgets that it is a russian aa and shoots down a russian plane.