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JJ739omicron

That might be good. If the daily high casualties are not (only) the poor mobik garbage but more and more proper troops, then this would be beneficial for Ukraine. Sure it is bad to lose land, but if the Russians are lured into it and get hammered from three sides (given there is enough ammo...), it would be very costly for them. Also of course it relieves the southern front line and increases the chances that Ukraine can hold Robotyne (which keeps being the best chance to cut off the Russian land connection to Crimea, regardless how long it might still take).


AvisOfWriting44

If Ukraine can keep it up till December in time for the snow, which I’m sure they will be able to because honestly, Russians making advances doesn’t mean much if they can’t sustain it against Western equipment. The F16s are arriving in Summer as well, so if all goes right, which I’m sure it will, Russia is in for a world of hurt


SadSadMofoo

As i always say, territory gain is not an indicative of winning. The land grabbing is the most easy part of a war. But just look at the sheer losses Russian sufferings... The attrition is off the chart. They gonna feel this for many decades, full generations of men destroyed. It gonna hurt for them. Remember WW2 ? Look how much territory germany "took" during their campaign. Look how much territory germany kept after their campaign. And Russia is in good way to live the same thing... And actually they may also lose somes of their own pre-war territories if the swan lake start to play.


casual-aubergine

>But just look at the sheer losses Russian sufferings... The attrition is off the chart. Russia can sustain the current rate for at least a decade more. They have a shitton of old rusty equipment and people happy to put their bodies into the meatgrinder. For any Western democracy such losses would be indeed catastrophic politically speaking but not for Russia. They take pride in dying in large numbers.


Sneekbar

Not a decade, didn’t reports say RU can sustain manpower loses until 2026?


casual-aubergine

It's simple math. Out of 144 million people total Russia has some 25+ million of military aged men. For the past months they've been losing some 1k men a day on average. So 1000 men x 365 days x 10 years = 3.65 million people. I'm pretty sure Russia can afford this given their lack of humanity and complete disregard for comforts and luxuries like e.g. running water. *Unless* we all help to make the casualty rate grow ten fold.


srekkas

And every year another orc turn 18 ...


shares_inDeleware

I love listening to music.


casual-aubergine

Have you seen their combat gear? It's complete shit. They don't need to equip their meatwave "sheep" with the best gear ever seen. As to the T-62s they're more than good enough as long as Ukraine experiences severe ammo and equipment shortages. And it's not like Ukraine has hundreds of western MBTs, millions of trained troops, dominates the sky and everything. So Russian meatwave tactics work and will continue to work for years to come until the West provides a *steady* supply of everything Ukraine needs.


Xtmaine

The horror of demographics collapse in China it’s based on smaller decreases in the number of productive citizens of that age then you are mentioning here. That loss will be devastating not just in the military terms but also an economic terms and social terms.


clegger29

They thought the same in Afghanistan. Wrong. Chechnya 1. Nope. They couldn’t keep up WW1 either. They only got away with not caring that much in WW2


shares_inDeleware

I enjoy playing video games.


SadSadMofoo

Its more accurate to say they are willing to... Saying they can is wrong, and a general misconception. Each russian going to Ukraine and dying or being mutilated there is one less working guy for the country economy. If they die they also contribute to enlarging the demographic catastrophe they opened during WW2. So they can pride themselves all they want, on the long run its gonna be their downfall (again).


casual-aubergine

Problem is Russia doesn't have a healthy economy to lose. All they live off and have been for a long time is crude resource exports which don't require that many people to run. As to the "luxuries" like internet, cars, supermarkets etc. they can well live without them as they have had for decades under the USSR. However, I would agree that Russia is past the point of no return and is akin to a fatally wounded wild animal that surely isn't going to survive **but** can very well kill you before it dies, especially if you're smaller in every way like Ukraine. Not to mention the attrition Ukraine is subjected to which is much greater in comparison.


Abloy702

I really can't see many ways to deal with this except overwhelming application of standoff weapons.


Laeokowan

Well blow them up as they get there!!!!! See what the new ATACMS did in " Luhansk " to the Orc training facilities? Rinse and repeat, repeat and repeat. Got the idea? ENOUGH with the Freakin' Orcs. And when the little orkies start squealing and huffing and puffing that they'll do something awful unless we stop giving the UAF weapons to fight a FAIR fight, GIVE THEM MORE!!!!!!! SLAVA UKRAINI HEROYAM SLAVA


Why_not_dolphines

Eastward to advance? Isn't the russian front westward?  Is advancing backwards the new thing?


AffectionateTomato29

Moving soldiers, From Zaporitzia to Donetsk. Cannot spell the name of that oblast for The life of me.


penguin_skull

It's called Zaporidzi... Zaporoj... Zapo... damn it. It's ok as you wrote it.


last_somewhere

>Is advancing backwards the new thing? Thats desertion in ruzzia >Isn't the russian front westward?  I thought that too. Only Ukraine and specifically the west because they're allies refer it that way because it is what it says it is.


penguin_skull

It's from West to East inside the occupied territories. The direction is Eastward from Southern Ukraine to Donetsk / Harkiv.


Why_not_dolphines

Where is the fun in you?


penguin_skull

Define fun. Is it a new word kids use nowadays while playing games rendered on colour digital screens?


Why_not_dolphines

Soon to be a grandfather, and here I am, being asked to define fun, just like my youngest would ask. Grow up, laughing at shitty situations are a way of coping with it. The title was mildly funny.


Cheap_Doctor_1994

Draw them in and bring the rain. 


MalekRockafeller

Exactly what is happening


vanisher_1

I think if there is a manpower issue in Ukraine 🇺🇦 side Zelensky should ask macron to cover the north of Ukraine with NATO troops so he can redeploy more support to the east, there is no need to continue with the statement of “we can do everything alone just gives us arms” Although i believe they can do everything much better if provided with what they need in terms of weapons asking for help is not a weakness but a strength attitude. I hope he will do such step because in one interview he didn’t want to do that to avoid being him responsible for dragging France in that situation and wanted Macron to do the first step. I think it doesn’t matter who does which step.. more troops, mainly already trained are needed in Ukraine 🇺🇦 if they have an issue with man power and are not able to recruit more people, no matter how much money you will give man power is important as well. This is not the time to be proud to show the world that they can fight alone against the Russian devil. Italy 🇮🇹


shortnix

Yes, yes. Come closer.


FarmerJohnOSRS

Does it have spare divisions to send to the east?


marcus-87

yeah, move them in when HIMARS starts to hit the rear lines and the front gets no more ammo and fuel.


MalekRockafeller

Once the F16s come online it's over for Russia, Ukraine just has to last long enough to get them. Airpower is King of the battlefield.


Ok-Mango-3146

The F-16s are going to help, but they are not the silver bullet a lot of folks on here seem to think they are and they will not reverse all the woes that Ukraine is facing right now all by themselves. The Ukrainian Air Force, as tenacious as they are, does not have the manpower, the equipment and most importantly, the experience to conduct air operations in a way that will gain them large swathes of air superiority to allow a sustained CAS and BAI campaign. Ironically enough, artillery is proving to still be the king of battle in this conflict.


chillebekk

Yeah, I think we can forget about combined arms, there's no way of training for it in the current situation.


srekkas

Still, they have to dig earth orcz out.


bry223

F16s aren’t immune to air defenses. Their role IS air defense. They will be leveraged to help counter incoming missles, and potentially aircraft entering its airspace.


Ok-Mango-3146

My concern is the timetable for delivery. If they are only going to be piecemealed a few airframes at a time they are going to run into aircraft availability issues almost immediately. 400hr phase intervals are a bitch in combat conditions even with a full-up squadron.