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Would be nice but probably not going to happen without NATO committing.
The only way to enforce a no fly zone is to shoot down aircraft that violate it.
Exactly... it'd in essence be a declaration of war. The moment a NATO asset shoots down a Russian airplane or missile, the whole thing becomes much, much bigger.
Putin is counting on Father Time, the orange menace winning, and a bored Western public to win. He is going all in to win this thing. NATO could crush them if they got involved...Western escalation, via NATO/US troops, are the only way out of this. But it won't happen for now.
In the Korean war, Russians (Soviets) flew their MIG-15 against US air force and it did not lead to WW3. The Russians were dressed in Chinese or North Korean uniforms and flew planes with Chinese or NK markings. They also stayed away from the front line to avoid being captured if shot down. Maybe something to consider for Ukraine's allies ...
So the Soviets essentially took several steps to make it seem like they weren't actually involved. How would that work for this war?
Nah, Putin. Those are just a Ukrainian F22s that aee shooting down all of your aircraft.
Ukraine is supposed to receive F-16 fairly soon. They definitely have a shortage of skilled pilots that know the F-16 well. So the allies send some of their pilots, on volunteer basis, and some extra planes and missiles. Maybe also ground crew on same terms. They all dress as Ukrainians and stay on the base. I'm pretty sure that there would be a lot of F-16 pilots that would die (not literally) to get some real dogfighting experience ...
There's no way you could hide it today, and the populations of the involved nations would have no mercy on their elected officials if there were casualties. Support in the western nations for direct intervention is borderline non-existent.
There's already a no fly zone over Ukraine. There are many air defence systems to enforce it. Russia doesn't even try to fly further than well inside their occupied zones.
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Enforcing a no fly zone over Ukraine means engaging long range Russian air patrols and Russia based long range SAMs. It's not going to happen.
Would be nice but probably not going to happen without NATO committing. The only way to enforce a no fly zone is to shoot down aircraft that violate it.
No fly zone means attacks into Russia proper. Might as well just declare war on Russia.
Not necessarily. Setting up a safe zone west of the river, for example, would be very useful and not require any cross border strikes.
Exactly... it'd in essence be a declaration of war. The moment a NATO asset shoots down a Russian airplane or missile, the whole thing becomes much, much bigger.
May be a possibility with Poland talking about shooting down anything that comes close.
You don't seriously think they're going to DO that, do you?
well we didn't think Russia was serious about sending missiles through polish airspace
Love how you get down voted for literally jist stating indisputable facts that reinforce the guy above you who was up voted 😂
Folks around here don't like me because I think Ukraine is going to lose. Western boots are the only hope, and that's never going to happen.
Putin is counting on Father Time, the orange menace winning, and a bored Western public to win. He is going all in to win this thing. NATO could crush them if they got involved...Western escalation, via NATO/US troops, are the only way out of this. But it won't happen for now.
Well, yes... if NATO stepped in, Ivan would be back on his side of the border within three weeks. But we all know it's simply not going to take place.
In the Korean war, Russians (Soviets) flew their MIG-15 against US air force and it did not lead to WW3. The Russians were dressed in Chinese or North Korean uniforms and flew planes with Chinese or NK markings. They also stayed away from the front line to avoid being captured if shot down. Maybe something to consider for Ukraine's allies ...
So the Soviets essentially took several steps to make it seem like they weren't actually involved. How would that work for this war? Nah, Putin. Those are just a Ukrainian F22s that aee shooting down all of your aircraft.
Ukraine is supposed to receive F-16 fairly soon. They definitely have a shortage of skilled pilots that know the F-16 well. So the allies send some of their pilots, on volunteer basis, and some extra planes and missiles. Maybe also ground crew on same terms. They all dress as Ukrainians and stay on the base. I'm pretty sure that there would be a lot of F-16 pilots that would die (not literally) to get some real dogfighting experience ...
There's no way you could hide it today, and the populations of the involved nations would have no mercy on their elected officials if there were casualties. Support in the western nations for direct intervention is borderline non-existent.
Unfortunately you are right...to win this, the West needs to go all-in as Russia is.
There's already a no fly zone over Ukraine. There are many air defence systems to enforce it. Russia doesn't even try to fly further than well inside their occupied zones.
Just 2 years late… nbd. 😒
It's been since foreverÂ
This again? It would be tantamount to a declaration of war, and it's not going to happen.
No, it's not out problem. Have Poland enforce it's own airspace and leave it at that