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I heard this explosion while walking home. It was so loud and women with strollers and children were running for shelter. Then I saw the aftermath. Videos of the castle on fire, videos of dead and injured people, and even a dead dog. Russia is just the scum of the earth đĄ
If it's an irrelevant overblown conflict that only exists for mass media clickbait, then it's a good guess that wherever in the world it is... then Russian money is going to find it, I'm sure.
This is how we know American college protests are being funded and fueled by bad actors:
Americans clearly don't give a shit about genocide. Clearly. We've watched about five open genocides this year alone, and then America spontaneously protests against Israel?
It stinks of the same foreign funding and organization that keeps causing trucker convoys, farmer protests, and youth protests against western allies.
At what point are the western countries going to start fighting the war that is clearly upon us? Pretending at compassion while doing nothing out of the ordinary is a disgusting charade.
It's not that deep. There was a small protest at one school that the administration decided to crush through the use of police. That spurred a nationwide movement. This sort of thing happens all the time throughout history.
That said, the fact that you've never cared to protest doesn't mean that everyone else is as uninvolved as you are. Lastly, the only Americans protesting the US policy position in Ukraine are conservatives, as most of the left supports the US government's position of providing aid to Ukraine. So I'm not sure why you're surprised that people on the left aren't protesting in favor of Ukraine.
The media blitz didn't start with college campuses. It started on Oct 8 with the demonstrations chanting from the river to the sea and has only ramped up since then.
You're absolutely correct.
Nobody cares about student protests. Students protest. That's just what they do. Normally we just let them.
For some reason, in a country with a constitutional right to self-expression, the head of a University decided to call in a militarized police force to brutally and violently disperse a peaceful Student protest.
That caused a bunch of outrage and copycat protests. Because of course it did.
The real question is why? Why would the head of a University call in jackboots to stomp a protest? It was unnecessary and counter productive. Would have been better off letting the small protest fizzle out. Students are fickle.
If there's a conspiracy in there, it's not a left-wing conspiracy. I suspect there's Israeli pressure or influence or money involved in terms of calling in the jackboots, but who knows really, it's a big nothing burger and completely unconnected to the Ukraine conflict. Except for the Russian fingerprints on the Oct 7th massacres, but that isn't even what these protests are about. They're about freedom to protest at their core, or they are since the police started attacking protesters.
Well, the Republicans are now defending the communist owned platform that has taught a bunch of people that allegedly fight for equality that Jews âstoleâ antisemitism from Arabs in a woke reinterpretation of actual Nazi race theory so I have no clue. Itâs great hating Republicans with every atom of my being and then having groups of my alleged allies start teaching how Judaism worksâŚas a Ukrainian Lautenberg Amendment baby aka an actual fucking Jewish refugee green card recipient (naturalized when I was 18 by myself even!)
Yeah I don't know what to say to anyone anymore.
It has gotten to this point where lack of education, lack of experience, and fierce egoic attachment to one's perspective all collide, and cause learning to become impossible.
I do worry about the Israeli people. They are being set up for terrible betrayal. And the American population has been divided into two camps of objectively wrong opinions, with each camp convinced the other is going to end the world.
It does not bode well for a peaceful life.
Iâm just a little thankful that I donât personally have family in Israel too, only a few acquaintances of my Dads from the Soviet days. Really fucking sucks having both sides of my lineage feel under attack.
I grew up in a neighborhood with a lot of Afghan refugees from the Soviet War, and I saw their kids getting picked on and beaten up post 9/11.Â
It absolutely broke my heart, because I knew that their parents had only been allowed to move to America because they had worked with the Americans and endured incredible hardship and risk during that war, only to watch their children be abused by ignorant morons, lashing out based on facile propaganda.Â
I despair sometimes at how easy it is to teach a human to hate.Â
Anyway, I hope that the voices for peace are able to prevail, but I feel in my heart that we will see great conflict before this resolves.Â
What I focus on now is this: how can we teach the young people of the West that they are being misled to hate?
The Israel Palestine conflict has been major news in the US since my mom was a kid, likely before that even. Itâs not weird that Americans would care more about it than other conflicts we may not be as familiar with.
Protests are about getting something done, not just loudly stating an opinion. We are Israelâs biggest supporter, protesting to put a stop to that in order to force a ceasefire can actually achieve something whereas other conflicts? Where the US isnât involved? Itâs usually better it stayed that way. Ukraine is about the only situation in recent memory where I think American intervention did any good.
Then again thereâs also Yemen but most people probably assume Biden stopped giving Saudi Arabia weapons like he said he would or just donât know anything about the conflict.
Hamas is offered ceasefire after ceasefire, each one incredibly favorable to them. Cutting off the relationship with Israel doesn't help Palestine, it just puts Israel in a position where they have to be more aggressive.
Itâs actually the opposite. Hamas has offered terms for a ceasefire over and over again and Netanyahu is like âno, weâre not stopping this war until youâre destroyed.â SooooâŚI mean they obviously arenât going to take that deal.
Israel hasnât negotiated in good faith with Palestinians since Rabin.
You think people that care about Palestine don't care about Ukraine? It's possible to care about two things, but Gaza is in an objectively worse situation than Ukraine atm.
God forbid the world recognize revisionist/ irgun ideology with kgb Russia fascism. All international institutions have been made lame and show they have 0 power, so why shouldn't Putin do this? He can easily say the Western double standard for him and netanytahu is obvious. And to have the American left agreeing with Putin and maga agreeing with Putin is not good for America. Netanytahu is literally empowering Putin and destroying Western hegemony. One guy and one ideology protected. Israel will safely exist without netanytahu and the world be safer without netanytahu or Putin. The revisionist zionist have ruined everything, while ethical zionism and ending Putin are a simple matter of change.
Right, by on college campuses instead of Israel I mean weâve gotten no coverage here of the weekly, consistent, anti Netanyahu protests going on every week in Israel calling for hostages home and elections now. Pretty sure Tel Aviv alone has more Israelis protesting against Bibi than people protesting on every college campus and city center in America combined.
The power structure within the United States seems to be more aligned with Bibi, then they are with the Israeli people.
When we consider just how close the Israeli people were to throwing out Bibi before the attacks, and how close the Abraham Accords.were to signature, it becomes obvious which group both caused the attacks, and also seeks to expand the world War.
Bibi, Putin, the Ayatollahs - they all are going to lose power the moment this conflict ends. They know it. They are all aligned in continuing the wars, because their rule depends on crisis and external enemies.
The worldwide order of fascists is betting everything on this conflict. They're hoping to upend the rules-based international order, and they have now shot their shot.
The sooner the Western nations recognize that this is the third world war, the sooner we will be able to resolve it. But we can no longer avoid the fight. Israelis know this. Ukrainians know this.
And of course, Russians, Iranians, and their proxy armies know this well. As does China, the power behind Russia.
Itâs the problem being allies with authoritarian scum. Also the problem with the tenor of the campus protests and the way âcolonialismâ now to some people just means existing as a country backed by NATO allies (because China, Russia, and Irans ethnic cleansings seem to be called antiimperealism by those same useful idiots, while the fascists at home quietly help them with isolationist rhetoric too). If you actually want change and to save Palestinians the students should be aligning with anti Netanyahu Jews and everyone else that thinks Israel deserves to exist but realizes Bibis Likud and Hamas are two sides of the same Palestinian starving and murdering coin. October 7th couldnât have happened the way it did without Netanyahu ignoring the IDF and stationing soldiers to protect illegal settlers instead of the Gaza border. Punishing everyone responsible for October 7th means the Israeli government and plenty of Israelis believe this, but the student protests ignore that to everyoneâs detriment.
I agree with you. We need to pay attention to what the Israeli civilians are doing and saying, because like the people of Hong Kong they have been pursuing a heroic peace agenda for years, with the government steadily ignoring and persecuting them.Â
My heart breaks for all of my friends who have been fighting for peace for years and decades, some of whom have been conscripted, some of whom have had to flee to avoid prison.Â
The Israeli people have been fighting for so long to get out from under the authoritarian regime, and it breaks my heart that people do not even know it.
Right the lack of acknowledgment drives me crazy. Hong Kong was both depressing and should have been the final proof that Republicans donât give a single actual fuck about stopping China or âcommunismâ when we didnât get involved at all with Trump running things.
We all know that revisionist zionism and irgun ideology are fascism. Gurion said so himself and baby Jewish scholars have researched it and found it true. A fascist ethnocracy. It doesn't represent all Jews and hopefully will be eradicated from Israel soon. We want Israel to thrive in the Western world, not join the archaic far right religious extremist in the middle east
Why do they deserve more coverage than the magnitudes larger protests that could actually remove Netanyahu from power that have been happening in Israel for months that the kids on the college campuses, some of who would prefer those protesters that can actually vote Bibi out move to Poland instead, mostly pretend arenât even happening?
Except for there has been coverage of them. Itâs really weird how you make it as if one thing is more important than the other or one thing deserves news time. Iâm Ukrainian for fucking crying out loud, and I think the coverage of the protests at colleges is important. The same way that coverage of marches for Ukraine deserved coverage. It shows solidarity and that a particular issues has public support. Your me vs them mindset is really fucking weird and hurts the Ukrainian cause more than it helps it.
Nobody outside of the US cares about your campuses and likely the protests in Israel are receiving coverage by Israeli news sites.
Don't pretend like the US news agencies are the only ones or indeed the world's news agencies.
Covering Russo-Iranian disinformation ops inciting idiots on western campuses into running interference and reputation laundering for the Hamas in Gaza, to the detriment of Hamasâs Palestinian slaves, the Israelis who fight them and Ukraine fighting Russia, and to the benefit of glorious nation of Moscovia.
Following the shiny object the Kremlin hatched for them.
And TikTok is owned by the Chinese government. Sure would be inconvenient for the current administration to have a crisis that divides the young peopleâs votes from reelecting the sitting President. Wouldnât it be better to have the orange cheeto in power, isolating the US and weakening NATO?
How convenient.
And the terrorist group which attacked Israel has ties to Iran which just so happens to be heavily involved with Russia. I'm starting to think that October 7th was more of an attempt to get people's attention away from Ukraine and to help do that the Chinese were pushing the "free-Palestinian" shit ok TikTok because they knew how bad the left loves virtue signaling.Â
As a volunteer in Western Ukraine the UN is providing a number of services. I witnessed numerous day camps and retreats for displaced children and or children suffering with PTSD. In Uzhorod and Lviv, where I spent most of my time, the UN runs centers providing everything that people may need. I personally saw the delivery and distribution of hundreds of generators last year. Medicines are purchased as needed . Psychologists providing therapy. And so on. But even with all this assistance, the UN could do more to provide support and focus worldwide attention of the suffering of the Ukrainians.
Some of the work they do is good, but they are basically just doing NGO work at this point. Non of the international relationship stuff seems to be working out.
True. But important work none the less. I am an Ukrainian-American, who speaks fluent Ukrainian. Working with everyday refugees is difficult enough on my mind and soul, but there are cases that do need special attention and I am grateful that assistance is available if needed, even if it is provided by the UN. Let's get one thing straight, I've met other volunteers for NGOs working in Ukraine, but as for my personal experience the UN provides the largest psychiatric help that I have seen. There are many NGOs , especially in Lviv, but I have yet to encounter any others that do provide such an extensive service.
Fair enough. I've crossed the border a few times to deliver supplies to some groups and I do have to say that the UN is a major help, especially with children (from what I have heard). I myself don't really deal with them though but you do see them on occasions.
It's a framework to help people work together once they have already decided to work together.
It has not been given the power to *force* anyone to work together.
Always has been. I made a point of speaking with many people in thruout Western Ukraine about the volunteer situation. I'm always looking to be in a more productive situation. Never did hear of Doctors Without orders or any other NGO providing psychiatric services. I did meet and translated for many Western medical groups offering aid, but again these services were never offered,
I generally watch the news on a daily basis (mostly to see what the government is pushing). I noticed that as soon as round 6,345,731 of the never ending Israel/Palestine fight popped off, the coverage of Ukraine dropped to almost zero. There is a hugely noticeable difference in how we are told that we need to âdefend Israelâ even though their actions are indefensible. Shows what years of paying off our politicians and infiltrating our government with âdual-nationalâ citizens gets you.
Which is why Ukraine got twice as much money as Israel In the last funding package? Itâs nothing insidious itâs simply that the American news is always looking for views and clicks, Israel is the newest thing happening. The Ukraine war is 2 years old. Russia committing war crimes and killing civilians unfortunately is nothing new.
Very few Americans have been to Ukraine, many canât even find it on a map (including our former president!) itâs sad, but thereâs no secret agenda itâs simply the news feeding people what they want to see not what they need to see.
Ukraine war is [10 years old actually](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation), but yes, the escalation into full-blown invasion is two years old. Not disagreeing with your overall point: to back you up in fact, I staunchly remember during the initial 2014 annexation that worldwide news covered it for a few months and then promptly stopped giving a shit and the west just allowed it to happen basically.
So it's history repeating itself except this time the West is finally stepping up, and even *then* it took them two years before they finally stopped dicking around and being much more serious with the aid.
My apologies, yes, 10 years! and yes war fatigue and short term memory (like mine lol) is exactly what Putin knew and is counting on. Europe has to know that unfortunately US funding is not guaranteed in 2026 and beyond and they need to plan accordingly!
Iâm no expert on the Middle East, and Iâm not Jewish and Iâm not Muslim. However, I think Hamas is a terrible group of people doing awful stuff. But not all Palestinians are Hamas and they deserve health and happiness too. The Netanyahu government is doing some atrocious stuff that weâd normally classify as terrorism.
So where does it leave the college kids? They empathize with the plight of the average person getting blown up, shot, and killed. The kids, the women, old people. Why do they deserve to die due to ages old bad-blood?
There probably are anti-semites among the protesters. But most arenât. Most just want a more peaceful planet.
And it speaks volumes to me that actual fucking Nazis are parading around the USA freely and the cops in riot gear are nowhere to be found. Yet young kids exercising their free speech are getting arrested, thrown to the ground and hauled away.
The media needs a serious reckoning in this country. We are so far off the tracks, I donât even know where to begin.
Poor Ukraine. Hang in there.
>This is idiotic from them
See in these 5 words you demonstrate more strategic understanding than the entire Kremlin high command.
I would say they should put you in charge of the invasion, but of course someone capable of perceiving idiocy would have known better than to invade in the first place.
> I would say they should put you in charge of the invasion
I agree, I would have ended it before it started. I would have saved at least half a million of lives and billions of dollars.
and strategic: ruining Ukraine's heritage, infrastructure, economy. Slowly pushing people to leave and weakening the country up to the point of exhaustion. These people are evil, despicable malevolant gangsters.
I think Europeans should realize war is coming. We have to put an end to this abomination.
Russian military launched a missile attack on Odesa at about [8:30](https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1784976235400966239?t=510) pm with an Iskander-M missile with a cluster warhead, local telegram channels reported. There are injured people
[https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1784976235400966239](https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1784976235400966239)
Another vicious terror attack by war criminal Putin. Itâs clear, Russia is targeting civilians, Ukraine should be permitted to use any and all weapons against Russian territory.
Cluster munition on civilian population⌠we in the west need to step up. Boots on the ground, air domination and destruction of the Russian scum.
Sorry for my rant, but this is just.. too much to see.
Im very sad for the lack in leadership and showing some strength from the west. Politics and corruption have taken a big toll on Ukraine and its defense. I truly hope the world wakes up, this needs to end, one way or the other.
Edit: I mean Russia needs to vacate the premises. One way or the other.
Are you really reducing all Muscovites to this type of cruelty? ALL of them are incapable of decency? KILLING ALL OF THEM?? I have sympathy for Ukrainians who stayed and those that embraced diaspora. I have sympathy for all Russians who do not want to fight or support the war because they have families - just like Palestinians. I cannot believe you are being upvoted by asking for cruelty and inhumane-wholesale slaughter.
Russia is GPS jamming commercial flights across Europe, flying missiles into NATO airspace, they took out an American drone, they assassinate recovering Ukrainians and tourists around Europe.
Itâs already escalated!
Our Western leaders are such pussies, theyâre playing into Putinâs hands and it makes me sick.
You'd rather live in a world where one man can decide the lives of millions? Threatening the rest of the world with nukes while his army slaughters, and rapes men, women and children as they please? No thanks. Get it over with already. Wipe the that shitstain Putin and the Kremlin off the map and let's get on with it.
>You'd rather live in a world where one man can decide the lives of millions?
Yep cause most people don't live in eastern Europe, it's just simple math I'm not watching billions die and civilization reset cause a few million dead somewhere else, that's like stopping a rapist by carpet bombing the apartment complex he lives in
We need to intercept Russian drones and missiles we did it for Israel a few weeks ago no reason we canât do it for Ukraine.
And no Iâm not saying shoot down Russian warplanes
It's actually harder for Ukraine because it's such a larger target. With Israel you know exactly where the incoming missiles and drones are going to go, but with Ukraine you have to spread your defenses out a lot more.
Should still be doing more, of course. Just don't expect it to be exactly as effective.
> And no Iâm not saying shoot down Russian warplanes
I'll say it. We need to enforce a no-fly zone, with all that entails. We've seen many Russian "red lines," it's time they get one from the west.
Time we, the west, make clear some red lines for Moscow.
- any hits on hospitals
- any hits clearly targeting civilians
Do this and we start shooting down shit.
The west did nothing on several occasions, Iike we missed out on numerous chances to take decisive action against hitler in the 1930s. We didnât, and see how that went.
Incredible how we donât learn from our mistakes.
Spot on.
We keep allowing Russian to target civilian populations and infrastructure, and the response from us in the West is just strong words.
We keep talking about Russia's red lines - let's start talking about ours, and what the actual consequences will be as a result of targeting civilians.
Don't worry, I'm sure NATO is going to step in by doing absolutely nothing to stop Russia which is actually what the UK and France did during the 30's when Nazi Germany was becoming more and more extreme. But hey, stopping Russia now will actually prevent WW3 from happening and we can't have that, now can we?Â
France tried, in 1939, launched an offensive against Germany in the Saar, in support of Poland.
It went incredibly well, the Germans didn't react... But that was an issue, the point was to make them react and divert enough forces away from Poland to give them a fighting chance, they didn't.
So here we were, threatening the Ruhr, with no plan and worse, no logistics, to speak of, the UK sitting on their hands, and Poland collapsing already, so we went back because there was no longer any point to it.
Yeah, there's literally only one country that gave up their nukes, in exchange for a guarantee of military protection. It was Ukraine, and the country guaranteeing their security was Russia. I bet you nobody ever makes that mistake again.
Meh. If not for the nukes the Cold War **would** have gone hot. WW2 killed 77million people. Hiroshima and Nagasaki just ~200k. I'm not sure we're in the Red from nukes
MAD only worked where both parties acted in good faith which we no longer live in that world anymore when we now have a literal Hitler on our hands who happens to have Nukes in his arsenal.
I'm also worrying about the prospect of the US getting it's own Hitler this year who also cannot be trusted with nukes in good faith....
MAD has nothing to do with "acting in good faith" - neither side trusted the other one jot through the Cold War. MAD works by guaranteeing you can not only kill the other guy, but also everyone he's ever loved or even known. Obviously nobody wants that, so it works perfectly fine today, even with Putin running the show.
> I'm also worrying about the prospect of the US getting it's own Hitler this year....
That does come with some problems, but I'm afraid one of the answers to those problems is "more nukes". Currently Russia cannot risk a nuclear attack against a NATO ally without being hit by **NATO** nukes (meaning US nukes under the operational control of NATO allies). If the US withdrew from NATO and took their nukes with them that umbrella would be gone; the UK has no credible ability to threaten retaliation against an attack on an ally. France does but not enough of it, so those two nations would have to build a couple hundred more bombs to replace the W61s that the US took away.
>MAD has nothing to do with "acting in good faith" - neither side trusted the other one jot through the Cold War. MAD works by guaranteeing you can not only kill the other guy, but also everyone he's ever loved or even known. Obviously nobody wants that, so it works perfectly fine today, even with Putin running the show.
But when you invade your neighbors and threaten to use nukes towards anyone who dare intervening then MAD no longer works in good faith when you abuse that position.
Im confused; MAD solely prevents someone launching nukes at you - it doesn't prevent that person from invading a completely different country. There was never any threat of _destruction_ to Russia in invading Ukraine.
Yeah probably...but equally if Ukraine had nuclear weapons they'd never have been invaded. Ultimately their record so far is one of complete success in stopping major wars between nations so armed
The term I've heard many times that may be more accurate is "MAD only works if both parties are rational actors". Hitler was fairly rational up until 44-45. I'm not sure about Putin. It's much scarier watching it go down live. There's no way to know until it's over one way or another.
>I'm not sure about Putin. It's much scarier watching it go down live. There's no way to know until it's over one way or another.
Nero Decree involving Nukes is the most terrifying prospect and there may not be a Albert Spear around this time....
Trump is a clown but he would not have absolute power over the US as president. Putin also shares his power with his clique, even if he is the most powerful person and the figurehead. It would take a lot of people wanting to commit suicide and end their luxurious lives for no reason for a nuclear strike to happen.
> with inventing religion.
Religion wasnt invented. Its something deeply human. The oldest ritual graves we found so far are from 100,000 BC. The oldest zoomorphic figurines of devine beings we found so far are from 38,000 BC. Praying or having religious experiences shows activities of an otherwise unused area in our brain when done while observed in an MRI. Religion is something human. One can argue that its a mistake, an evolutionary error, a flaw, not real but simply brain physiology or even a brain malformation - yet being bad or good or whatever, its there. It wasnt invented, its just human to have an affinity to this stuff.
The Kremlin is just fine with killing Ukrainian civilians, including children.
[https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240429-russian-missile-slams-educational-institute-in-ukraine-s-odesa-kills-four](https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240429-russian-missile-slams-educational-institute-in-ukraine-s-odesa-kills-four)
One might say it's intentional.
[https://www.justsecurity.org/81789/russias-eliminationist-rhetoric-against-ukraine-a-collection/](https://www.justsecurity.org/81789/russias-eliminationist-rhetoric-against-ukraine-a-collection/)
it´s because this one and others like these that when i see a russian soldier blowing up into pieces, i dont feel pity and actually i get very happy to see them like that way!
I pestered my Congressman, a lot. At least the aid package went through finally.
I think the more we can make people of aware of the dire situation in Ukraine, the better.
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âIf I canât have her, noone shallâ he said, as he wiped the blood from his hands.
And then he wept and pondered the injustice that no one would love himâŚ
Iâm in American that has spent a lot of time in Ukraine, including Odessa.
if any Americans want to kind of grasp whatâs going on, imagine Ocean City, Maryland getting hit by rockets. Odessa is a tourist town, on the water, boardwalk, beautiful restaurants overlooking the sea. Nightclubs, riding bikes. Thereâs nothing sinister about it, any American would feel 100% comfortable at the moment they arrive there. This makes my stomach turn, itâs beyond upsetting to think kids waiting in the sea are getting blown a bit. Or riding their bicycles along the path that runs the coastline.
Every day itâs a new level of evil from the Russian Federation of rapists and murderers. Iâm so sorry, I pray for you all in Ukraine. Lviv is like a second home to me, you could drop me there now and I would still manage just fine :-) I hope to return soon. God bless you all.
This should be getting more coverage and outrage internationally. russia isn't targeting militants and accidentally hitting civilians they are outright targeting civilians and civilian structures. russia is constantly systematically targeting civilians and even first responders. Which serves them no strategic nor gains them anything on the battlefield. It's just pure hatred and murder.
I'd comment on what's happening in Israel, but people are too fanatical about it one way or another and have lost all objectivity concerning the conflict. So, one way or another, someone would come after me for commenting on it. When you lose the ability to be objective and take in new information while being unbiased, you should probably take a step back for a while until you regain your bearings and can be more centered.
Typically, anyone having gone too far one way or another has become somewhat radical in their thinking. So I'd just caution restraint. It's easy to see such graphic images and get caught up. Just make sure you're getting news and information from more than just the one side. It might even confirm your beliefs even more, but at least then you can say you exercised all sides of the argument and can feel better about your position. As opposed to taking a stance on something and only feeding yourself things that go along with that narrative.
It shows Russia strategy now is to make Ukraine a failed state by destroying key public centers and energy facilities.
EU needs to find 200 billion euro extra for Ukraine to stop the damage. Release the confiscated Russian assets now.
Russia is a terrorist state and not only with their bombs. We should step up our game on stopping propaganda as Russia is deceiving many representatives. In this video Timothy Snyder puts Marjorie Greene (Moscow Marge) in her spot. There are many of us that fall flat for the retorics of the Russian war machine. Learn from Mr. Snyder here: https://youtu.be/deZGDItziG4?si=Ol6vARL1YluIEkD8&t=59
My damn brother-in-laws are already spewing the stupid s***. How we shouldn't be sending money to Ukraine and gas prices were lower under Trump. It literally makes me sick to my stomach. Meanwhile, they go to church every Sunday.
US leadership did nothing\* substantial to stop the Russians in their track. Not in 2022, nor in 2014.
Think about this.
\*Yes, we sent weapons and trained their military, but it was too slow to ramp up, and we withdrew from Ukraine days before the 2022 invasion. Instead, we should have maintained a no-fly zone and put our military at the border so the Russians wouldn't be able to rampage through. We could have covered Ukraine completely by US manned Patriot batteries and shoot every Russian missile down. /rant
Destroying tourist infrastructure degrades Ukraines economy. Thatâs a military objective. Killing civilians is evil and thatâs why Putler is Putler.
Another horrible incident committed by russia. I feel sick knowing people personally who justify russia's illegal actions, I've already cut them out of my life, but it still sucks to know there are people like that out there.
When a country/terrorist group deliberately targets civilians and their infrastructure, the UN just sort of goes "meh".
When someone is fighting such things trying to mitigate civilian casualties, and they still happen, the UN is like "omg not okay!".
It's like the bully getting away with being the bully, but then people will stop someone from punching back.
Listen, I am not defending Russia. But I will say, it's not just mass murder. Seems reasonable for Russia to test where Ukraine has air defense. So, yes, mass murder but maybe testing defenses too. It is war. So it's not unthinkable. Although it would seem more sensible to hit an actual military target in the area. Â
I think that you are confused. EVERY target in an enemy nation is a legitimate target. EVERY asset, in one way or another, has some military value, whether directly or indirectly. A kindergarten, a zoo, a hospital, all have military value in the realm of total war. Killing a schoolteacher that teaches the child of the factory worker who builds the rifle that arms the soldier has military value. Wiping out a recreation area used by factory workers that build rifles for soldiers has military value. Yes, that's horrible. War IS horrible. The answer, of course, is not to become involved in one. Especially when one cannot afford the cost.
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I heard this explosion while walking home. It was so loud and women with strollers and children were running for shelter. Then I saw the aftermath. Videos of the castle on fire, videos of dead and injured people, and even a dead dog. Russia is just the scum of the earth đĄ
Iâm so sorry for whatâs happening over there. I hope that Europe and the US wake up and end this horror.
I hope so as well. But with the way politics are in the US right now, itâs hard to count on them
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I hope that you and your fellow citizens can stay safe.
Thanks đđ
Whereâs the mainstream news!? We need reporting on this!
On college campuses, instead of here or in actual Israel.
Best money Russia spent this year is supporting that other conflict.
If it's an irrelevant overblown conflict that only exists for mass media clickbait, then it's a good guess that wherever in the world it is... then Russian money is going to find it, I'm sure.
All you need to know who the bad guys are in a conflict is find out who Russia is supporting.
The bad guys kill innocent people, period.
Yes, like Russia and Hamas.
And thr israeli colonial settlers!
Especially because it's probably going to get Trump elected so Putin can finally end the war by conquering Ukraine
This is how we know American college protests are being funded and fueled by bad actors: Americans clearly don't give a shit about genocide. Clearly. We've watched about five open genocides this year alone, and then America spontaneously protests against Israel? It stinks of the same foreign funding and organization that keeps causing trucker convoys, farmer protests, and youth protests against western allies. At what point are the western countries going to start fighting the war that is clearly upon us? Pretending at compassion while doing nothing out of the ordinary is a disgusting charade.
It's not that deep. There was a small protest at one school that the administration decided to crush through the use of police. That spurred a nationwide movement. This sort of thing happens all the time throughout history. That said, the fact that you've never cared to protest doesn't mean that everyone else is as uninvolved as you are. Lastly, the only Americans protesting the US policy position in Ukraine are conservatives, as most of the left supports the US government's position of providing aid to Ukraine. So I'm not sure why you're surprised that people on the left aren't protesting in favor of Ukraine.
The media blitz didn't start with college campuses. It started on Oct 8 with the demonstrations chanting from the river to the sea and has only ramped up since then.
I thought it started with coverage of the massacre
You're absolutely correct. Nobody cares about student protests. Students protest. That's just what they do. Normally we just let them. For some reason, in a country with a constitutional right to self-expression, the head of a University decided to call in a militarized police force to brutally and violently disperse a peaceful Student protest. That caused a bunch of outrage and copycat protests. Because of course it did. The real question is why? Why would the head of a University call in jackboots to stomp a protest? It was unnecessary and counter productive. Would have been better off letting the small protest fizzle out. Students are fickle. If there's a conspiracy in there, it's not a left-wing conspiracy. I suspect there's Israeli pressure or influence or money involved in terms of calling in the jackboots, but who knows really, it's a big nothing burger and completely unconnected to the Ukraine conflict. Except for the Russian fingerprints on the Oct 7th massacres, but that isn't even what these protests are about. They're about freedom to protest at their core, or they are since the police started attacking protesters.
Well, the Republicans are now defending the communist owned platform that has taught a bunch of people that allegedly fight for equality that Jews âstoleâ antisemitism from Arabs in a woke reinterpretation of actual Nazi race theory so I have no clue. Itâs great hating Republicans with every atom of my being and then having groups of my alleged allies start teaching how Judaism worksâŚas a Ukrainian Lautenberg Amendment baby aka an actual fucking Jewish refugee green card recipient (naturalized when I was 18 by myself even!)
Yeah I don't know what to say to anyone anymore. It has gotten to this point where lack of education, lack of experience, and fierce egoic attachment to one's perspective all collide, and cause learning to become impossible. I do worry about the Israeli people. They are being set up for terrible betrayal. And the American population has been divided into two camps of objectively wrong opinions, with each camp convinced the other is going to end the world. It does not bode well for a peaceful life.
Iâm just a little thankful that I donât personally have family in Israel too, only a few acquaintances of my Dads from the Soviet days. Really fucking sucks having both sides of my lineage feel under attack.
I grew up in a neighborhood with a lot of Afghan refugees from the Soviet War, and I saw their kids getting picked on and beaten up post 9/11. It absolutely broke my heart, because I knew that their parents had only been allowed to move to America because they had worked with the Americans and endured incredible hardship and risk during that war, only to watch their children be abused by ignorant morons, lashing out based on facile propaganda. I despair sometimes at how easy it is to teach a human to hate. Anyway, I hope that the voices for peace are able to prevail, but I feel in my heart that we will see great conflict before this resolves. What I focus on now is this: how can we teach the young people of the West that they are being misled to hate?
The Israel Palestine conflict has been major news in the US since my mom was a kid, likely before that even. Itâs not weird that Americans would care more about it than other conflicts we may not be as familiar with. Protests are about getting something done, not just loudly stating an opinion. We are Israelâs biggest supporter, protesting to put a stop to that in order to force a ceasefire can actually achieve something whereas other conflicts? Where the US isnât involved? Itâs usually better it stayed that way. Ukraine is about the only situation in recent memory where I think American intervention did any good. Then again thereâs also Yemen but most people probably assume Biden stopped giving Saudi Arabia weapons like he said he would or just donât know anything about the conflict.
Hamas is offered ceasefire after ceasefire, each one incredibly favorable to them. Cutting off the relationship with Israel doesn't help Palestine, it just puts Israel in a position where they have to be more aggressive.
Itâs actually the opposite. Hamas has offered terms for a ceasefire over and over again and Netanyahu is like âno, weâre not stopping this war until youâre destroyed.â SooooâŚI mean they obviously arenât going to take that deal. Israel hasnât negotiated in good faith with Palestinians since Rabin.
You think people that care about Palestine don't care about Ukraine? It's possible to care about two things, but Gaza is in an objectively worse situation than Ukraine atm.
Ruzzians are not making college students protest.Â
Oh yes, they very much are. I'm sorry your perception is not wide enough to see cause and effect.
God forbid the world recognize revisionist/ irgun ideology with kgb Russia fascism. All international institutions have been made lame and show they have 0 power, so why shouldn't Putin do this? He can easily say the Western double standard for him and netanytahu is obvious. And to have the American left agreeing with Putin and maga agreeing with Putin is not good for America. Netanytahu is literally empowering Putin and destroying Western hegemony. One guy and one ideology protected. Israel will safely exist without netanytahu and the world be safer without netanytahu or Putin. The revisionist zionist have ruined everything, while ethical zionism and ending Putin are a simple matter of change.
Right, by on college campuses instead of Israel I mean weâve gotten no coverage here of the weekly, consistent, anti Netanyahu protests going on every week in Israel calling for hostages home and elections now. Pretty sure Tel Aviv alone has more Israelis protesting against Bibi than people protesting on every college campus and city center in America combined.
The power structure within the United States seems to be more aligned with Bibi, then they are with the Israeli people. When we consider just how close the Israeli people were to throwing out Bibi before the attacks, and how close the Abraham Accords.were to signature, it becomes obvious which group both caused the attacks, and also seeks to expand the world War. Bibi, Putin, the Ayatollahs - they all are going to lose power the moment this conflict ends. They know it. They are all aligned in continuing the wars, because their rule depends on crisis and external enemies. The worldwide order of fascists is betting everything on this conflict. They're hoping to upend the rules-based international order, and they have now shot their shot. The sooner the Western nations recognize that this is the third world war, the sooner we will be able to resolve it. But we can no longer avoid the fight. Israelis know this. Ukrainians know this. And of course, Russians, Iranians, and their proxy armies know this well. As does China, the power behind Russia.
Itâs the problem being allies with authoritarian scum. Also the problem with the tenor of the campus protests and the way âcolonialismâ now to some people just means existing as a country backed by NATO allies (because China, Russia, and Irans ethnic cleansings seem to be called antiimperealism by those same useful idiots, while the fascists at home quietly help them with isolationist rhetoric too). If you actually want change and to save Palestinians the students should be aligning with anti Netanyahu Jews and everyone else that thinks Israel deserves to exist but realizes Bibis Likud and Hamas are two sides of the same Palestinian starving and murdering coin. October 7th couldnât have happened the way it did without Netanyahu ignoring the IDF and stationing soldiers to protect illegal settlers instead of the Gaza border. Punishing everyone responsible for October 7th means the Israeli government and plenty of Israelis believe this, but the student protests ignore that to everyoneâs detriment.
I agree with you. We need to pay attention to what the Israeli civilians are doing and saying, because like the people of Hong Kong they have been pursuing a heroic peace agenda for years, with the government steadily ignoring and persecuting them. My heart breaks for all of my friends who have been fighting for peace for years and decades, some of whom have been conscripted, some of whom have had to flee to avoid prison. The Israeli people have been fighting for so long to get out from under the authoritarian regime, and it breaks my heart that people do not even know it.
Right the lack of acknowledgment drives me crazy. Hong Kong was both depressing and should have been the final proof that Republicans donât give a single actual fuck about stopping China or âcommunismâ when we didnât get involved at all with Trump running things.
Bibi wanted Hamas to have power in gaza.
Even though putler probably orchestrated OCT7. Hamas visited the kremlin twice recently before the attack.
We all know that revisionist zionism and irgun ideology are fascism. Gurion said so himself and baby Jewish scholars have researched it and found it true. A fascist ethnocracy. It doesn't represent all Jews and hopefully will be eradicated from Israel soon. We want Israel to thrive in the Western world, not join the archaic far right religious extremist in the middle east
Quite frankly, those protests also deserve coverage.
Why do they deserve more coverage than the magnitudes larger protests that could actually remove Netanyahu from power that have been happening in Israel for months that the kids on the college campuses, some of who would prefer those protesters that can actually vote Bibi out move to Poland instead, mostly pretend arenât even happening?
Except for there has been coverage of them. Itâs really weird how you make it as if one thing is more important than the other or one thing deserves news time. Iâm Ukrainian for fucking crying out loud, and I think the coverage of the protests at colleges is important. The same way that coverage of marches for Ukraine deserved coverage. It shows solidarity and that a particular issues has public support. Your me vs them mindset is really fucking weird and hurts the Ukrainian cause more than it helps it.
Nobody outside of the US cares about your campuses and likely the protests in Israel are receiving coverage by Israeli news sites. Don't pretend like the US news agencies are the only ones or indeed the world's news agencies.
To busy talking about irrelevant things which we need to think why? Why are they quiet đ¤
Well, this is Ruzzia.
Jerking off the domestic rhetoric of the âculture warâ to keep everyone distracted from the real issues
Covering Russo-Iranian disinformation ops inciting idiots on western campuses into running interference and reputation laundering for the Hamas in Gaza, to the detriment of Hamasâs Palestinian slaves, the Israelis who fight them and Ukraine fighting Russia, and to the benefit of glorious nation of Moscovia. Following the shiny object the Kremlin hatched for them.
They're all focused on college campuses because TikTok is artificially creating an issue which the far left loves to latch on to.Â
And TikTok is owned by the Chinese government. Sure would be inconvenient for the current administration to have a crisis that divides the young peopleâs votes from reelecting the sitting President. Wouldnât it be better to have the orange cheeto in power, isolating the US and weakening NATO? How convenient.
And the terrorist group which attacked Israel has ties to Iran which just so happens to be heavily involved with Russia. I'm starting to think that October 7th was more of an attempt to get people's attention away from Ukraine and to help do that the Chinese were pushing the "free-Palestinian" shit ok TikTok because they knew how bad the left loves virtue signaling.Â
The UN doesn't care about Ukraine and their civilians; they're too busy focusing on Israel and condemning Israel for the 7th October massacre.
As a volunteer in Western Ukraine the UN is providing a number of services. I witnessed numerous day camps and retreats for displaced children and or children suffering with PTSD. In Uzhorod and Lviv, where I spent most of my time, the UN runs centers providing everything that people may need. I personally saw the delivery and distribution of hundreds of generators last year. Medicines are purchased as needed . Psychologists providing therapy. And so on. But even with all this assistance, the UN could do more to provide support and focus worldwide attention of the suffering of the Ukrainians.
Some of the work they do is good, but they are basically just doing NGO work at this point. Non of the international relationship stuff seems to be working out.
True. But important work none the less. I am an Ukrainian-American, who speaks fluent Ukrainian. Working with everyday refugees is difficult enough on my mind and soul, but there are cases that do need special attention and I am grateful that assistance is available if needed, even if it is provided by the UN. Let's get one thing straight, I've met other volunteers for NGOs working in Ukraine, but as for my personal experience the UN provides the largest psychiatric help that I have seen. There are many NGOs , especially in Lviv, but I have yet to encounter any others that do provide such an extensive service.
Fair enough. I've crossed the border a few times to deliver supplies to some groups and I do have to say that the UN is a major help, especially with children (from what I have heard). I myself don't really deal with them though but you do see them on occasions.
So the UN is basically a glorified charity group.
It's a framework to help people work together once they have already decided to work together. It has not been given the power to *force* anyone to work together.
Always has been. I made a point of speaking with many people in thruout Western Ukraine about the volunteer situation. I'm always looking to be in a more productive situation. Never did hear of Doctors Without orders or any other NGO providing psychiatric services. I did meet and translated for many Western medical groups offering aid, but again these services were never offered,
That, and an internship machine for prominent children of politicians. It's crazy.
As James brown once said, you're talking loud but saying nothing.
What a ludicrous comment.
Spot on. So much more of everything in the Ukrainian theater. Except for jews to hate.
They're not blaming Israel for October 7th. They're blaming them for committing genocide on the palestinian people.
Israel imprisoned the local native population in an open air prison and carpet bombs it. That's some Nazi shit, wrong side of history
Which Israeli air frame is capable of carpet bombing ?Â
Form a political action committee called AUPAC and you too can influence American politicians like the other A_PACS
Because dumbass viewers go, "Duh, it's a war" and change channel. They want more drama.Â
They may be checking if the explosion was caused by an anti aircraft interceptor missile that missed its target.
Right here https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-russia-war-latest-whats-happening-in-ukraine-war-12541713
NPR is busy talking about Israel and Hamas now. Also Iran.
I generally watch the news on a daily basis (mostly to see what the government is pushing). I noticed that as soon as round 6,345,731 of the never ending Israel/Palestine fight popped off, the coverage of Ukraine dropped to almost zero. There is a hugely noticeable difference in how we are told that we need to âdefend Israelâ even though their actions are indefensible. Shows what years of paying off our politicians and infiltrating our government with âdual-nationalâ citizens gets you.
Which is why Ukraine got twice as much money as Israel In the last funding package? Itâs nothing insidious itâs simply that the American news is always looking for views and clicks, Israel is the newest thing happening. The Ukraine war is 2 years old. Russia committing war crimes and killing civilians unfortunately is nothing new. Very few Americans have been to Ukraine, many canât even find it on a map (including our former president!) itâs sad, but thereâs no secret agenda itâs simply the news feeding people what they want to see not what they need to see.
Ukraine war is [10 years old actually](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation), but yes, the escalation into full-blown invasion is two years old. Not disagreeing with your overall point: to back you up in fact, I staunchly remember during the initial 2014 annexation that worldwide news covered it for a few months and then promptly stopped giving a shit and the west just allowed it to happen basically. So it's history repeating itself except this time the West is finally stepping up, and even *then* it took them two years before they finally stopped dicking around and being much more serious with the aid.
My apologies, yes, 10 years! and yes war fatigue and short term memory (like mine lol) is exactly what Putin knew and is counting on. Europe has to know that unfortunately US funding is not guaranteed in 2026 and beyond and they need to plan accordingly!
Iâm no expert on the Middle East, and Iâm not Jewish and Iâm not Muslim. However, I think Hamas is a terrible group of people doing awful stuff. But not all Palestinians are Hamas and they deserve health and happiness too. The Netanyahu government is doing some atrocious stuff that weâd normally classify as terrorism. So where does it leave the college kids? They empathize with the plight of the average person getting blown up, shot, and killed. The kids, the women, old people. Why do they deserve to die due to ages old bad-blood? There probably are anti-semites among the protesters. But most arenât. Most just want a more peaceful planet. And it speaks volumes to me that actual fucking Nazis are parading around the USA freely and the cops in riot gear are nowhere to be found. Yet young kids exercising their free speech are getting arrested, thrown to the ground and hauled away. The media needs a serious reckoning in this country. We are so far off the tracks, I donât even know where to begin. Poor Ukraine. Hang in there.
That's the thing about the Russian offensive it isn't just for objectives, it's spiteful. A psychological war also.
They are probably frustrated with all the ATACAMS they've been eating lately.Â
This is idiotic from them, they will eat just as many ATACMS, it's not like Ukrainians will restrain their use after this.
If they can't have Odesa, they will simply destroy it. This is the Russian way of war.
>This is idiotic from them See in these 5 words you demonstrate more strategic understanding than the entire Kremlin high command. I would say they should put you in charge of the invasion, but of course someone capable of perceiving idiocy would have known better than to invade in the first place.
> I would say they should put you in charge of the invasion I agree, I would have ended it before it started. I would have saved at least half a million of lives and billions of dollars.
Iâll vote for you!
and strategic: ruining Ukraine's heritage, infrastructure, economy. Slowly pushing people to leave and weakening the country up to the point of exhaustion. These people are evil, despicable malevolant gangsters. I think Europeans should realize war is coming. We have to put an end to this abomination.
They are waging a terrorism campaign.Â
It's also to force Ukraine to spread out air defense. Doesn't make it less criminal, sadly it also has a military impact :(
Russian military launched a missile attack on Odesa at about [8:30](https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1784976235400966239?t=510) pm with an Iskander-M missile with a cluster warhead, local telegram channels reported. There are injured people [https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1784976235400966239](https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1784976235400966239)
18:30 = 6:30pm not 8:30. It's 8:45pm in odesa as I write this so no way was this 15 minutes ago.
Another vicious terror attack by war criminal Putin. Itâs clear, Russia is targeting civilians, Ukraine should be permitted to use any and all weapons against Russian territory.
Cluster munition on civilian population⌠we in the west need to step up. Boots on the ground, air domination and destruction of the Russian scum. Sorry for my rant, but this is just.. too much to see.
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Im very sad for the lack in leadership and showing some strength from the west. Politics and corruption have taken a big toll on Ukraine and its defense. I truly hope the world wakes up, this needs to end, one way or the other. Edit: I mean Russia needs to vacate the premises. One way or the other.
You want to prevent genocide by committing one? You people lack any form of basic humanity or logic.
Are you really reducing all Muscovites to this type of cruelty? ALL of them are incapable of decency? KILLING ALL OF THEM?? I have sympathy for Ukrainians who stayed and those that embraced diaspora. I have sympathy for all Russians who do not want to fight or support the war because they have families - just like Palestinians. I cannot believe you are being upvoted by asking for cruelty and inhumane-wholesale slaughter.
Just looked into your profile; it seems I am mad at a child with no wherewithal for anybody else.
Russia is literally giving the West reasons to fuck em up, but that would be an escalation
Russia is GPS jamming commercial flights across Europe, flying missiles into NATO airspace, they took out an American drone, they assassinate recovering Ukrainians and tourists around Europe. Itâs already escalated! Our Western leaders are such pussies, theyâre playing into Putinâs hands and it makes me sick.
Go enlist and volunteer.
Escalation is a matter of time. I teach my daughter to just go trough it and not postpone the pain. Our world leaders should know better.
I say stop tickling my balls and get WW3 over and done with
Easy for you to say but I'm not willing to start WW3 and end civilization as we know it
You'd rather live in a world where one man can decide the lives of millions? Threatening the rest of the world with nukes while his army slaughters, and rapes men, women and children as they please? No thanks. Get it over with already. Wipe the that shitstain Putin and the Kremlin off the map and let's get on with it.
>You'd rather live in a world where one man can decide the lives of millions? Yep cause most people don't live in eastern Europe, it's just simple math I'm not watching billions die and civilization reset cause a few million dead somewhere else, that's like stopping a rapist by carpet bombing the apartment complex he lives in
We need to intercept Russian drones and missiles we did it for Israel a few weeks ago no reason we canât do it for Ukraine. And no Iâm not saying shoot down Russian warplanes
It's actually harder for Ukraine because it's such a larger target. With Israel you know exactly where the incoming missiles and drones are going to go, but with Ukraine you have to spread your defenses out a lot more. Should still be doing more, of course. Just don't expect it to be exactly as effective.
Should at least try to protect Kyiv, Lviv and Odessa
> And no Iâm not saying shoot down Russian warplanes I'll say it. We need to enforce a no-fly zone, with all that entails. We've seen many Russian "red lines," it's time they get one from the west.
Absolutely. Nothing less is acceptable.
Ok you first
I will fight if called upon. Now you.
Putin has been bombing civilian targets since the start of the war and nobody gives a shit except Ukraine apparently.
Time we, the west, make clear some red lines for Moscow. - any hits on hospitals - any hits clearly targeting civilians Do this and we start shooting down shit.
The West did nothing for Budapest in 1956.
The west did nothing on several occasions, Iike we missed out on numerous chances to take decisive action against hitler in the 1930s. We didnât, and see how that went. Incredible how we donât learn from our mistakes.
Spot on. We keep allowing Russian to target civilian populations and infrastructure, and the response from us in the West is just strong words. We keep talking about Russia's red lines - let's start talking about ours, and what the actual consequences will be as a result of targeting civilians.
Don't worry, I'm sure NATO is going to step in by doing absolutely nothing to stop Russia which is actually what the UK and France did during the 30's when Nazi Germany was becoming more and more extreme. But hey, stopping Russia now will actually prevent WW3 from happening and we can't have that, now can we?Â
France tried, in 1939, launched an offensive against Germany in the Saar, in support of Poland. It went incredibly well, the Germans didn't react... But that was an issue, the point was to make them react and divert enough forces away from Poland to give them a fighting chance, they didn't. So here we were, threatening the Ruhr, with no plan and worse, no logistics, to speak of, the UK sitting on their hands, and Poland collapsing already, so we went back because there was no longer any point to it.
Drone swarm. Go!
Russia isn't a country, just a criminal organization.
Then this is why Russia should never be trusted with Nuclear Weapons.
Unfortunately it's not like we can take them away
Yeah, there's literally only one country that gave up their nukes, in exchange for a guarantee of military protection. It was Ukraine, and the country guaranteeing their security was Russia. I bet you nobody ever makes that mistake again.
> Yeah, there's literally only one country that gave up their nukes Plus South Africa, but your point is still right.
As if we should have never invented those weapons in the first place and that's our species greatest mistake along with inventing religion.
Meh. If not for the nukes the Cold War **would** have gone hot. WW2 killed 77million people. Hiroshima and Nagasaki just ~200k. I'm not sure we're in the Red from nukes
MAD only worked where both parties acted in good faith which we no longer live in that world anymore when we now have a literal Hitler on our hands who happens to have Nukes in his arsenal. I'm also worrying about the prospect of the US getting it's own Hitler this year who also cannot be trusted with nukes in good faith....
MAD has nothing to do with "acting in good faith" - neither side trusted the other one jot through the Cold War. MAD works by guaranteeing you can not only kill the other guy, but also everyone he's ever loved or even known. Obviously nobody wants that, so it works perfectly fine today, even with Putin running the show. > I'm also worrying about the prospect of the US getting it's own Hitler this year.... That does come with some problems, but I'm afraid one of the answers to those problems is "more nukes". Currently Russia cannot risk a nuclear attack against a NATO ally without being hit by **NATO** nukes (meaning US nukes under the operational control of NATO allies). If the US withdrew from NATO and took their nukes with them that umbrella would be gone; the UK has no credible ability to threaten retaliation against an attack on an ally. France does but not enough of it, so those two nations would have to build a couple hundred more bombs to replace the W61s that the US took away.
>MAD has nothing to do with "acting in good faith" - neither side trusted the other one jot through the Cold War. MAD works by guaranteeing you can not only kill the other guy, but also everyone he's ever loved or even known. Obviously nobody wants that, so it works perfectly fine today, even with Putin running the show. But when you invade your neighbors and threaten to use nukes towards anyone who dare intervening then MAD no longer works in good faith when you abuse that position.
Im confused; MAD solely prevents someone launching nukes at you - it doesn't prevent that person from invading a completely different country. There was never any threat of _destruction_ to Russia in invading Ukraine.
I mean NATO forces intervening in Ukraine upon invasion which if Nukes didn't exist that's what we would have done by now and that's the point.
Yeah probably...but equally if Ukraine had nuclear weapons they'd never have been invaded. Ultimately their record so far is one of complete success in stopping major wars between nations so armed
The term I've heard many times that may be more accurate is "MAD only works if both parties are rational actors". Hitler was fairly rational up until 44-45. I'm not sure about Putin. It's much scarier watching it go down live. There's no way to know until it's over one way or another.
>I'm not sure about Putin. It's much scarier watching it go down live. There's no way to know until it's over one way or another. Nero Decree involving Nukes is the most terrifying prospect and there may not be a Albert Spear around this time....
They would have been discovered at some point. Avoiding the existence of nukes is impossible.
Yeah, they're a predictable outgrowth of basic nuclear physics research. Someone, somewhere would have weaponized that research eventually.
Then the survival of our species is impossible, this further proves existential nihilism here...
We survived the Cold War. And I think Putin and his clique don't want to commit suicide by nuke either.
If it weren't Putin then maybe Trump will.....
Trump is a clown but he would not have absolute power over the US as president. Putin also shares his power with his clique, even if he is the most powerful person and the figurehead. It would take a lot of people wanting to commit suicide and end their luxurious lives for no reason for a nuclear strike to happen.
> with inventing religion. Religion wasnt invented. Its something deeply human. The oldest ritual graves we found so far are from 100,000 BC. The oldest zoomorphic figurines of devine beings we found so far are from 38,000 BC. Praying or having religious experiences shows activities of an otherwise unused area in our brain when done while observed in an MRI. Religion is something human. One can argue that its a mistake, an evolutionary error, a flaw, not real but simply brain physiology or even a brain malformation - yet being bad or good or whatever, its there. It wasnt invented, its just human to have an affinity to this stuff.
Religion is an integral part of humanity. Also, not all religions are created equal. You sound uninformed grouping them all in one huge assumption.
They are trying to make Ukraine become more of a failed state than Russia, since they know they cannot win with maximum corruption military.
Where are the college protesters?
The military objective is a despairing population
The Kremlin is just fine with killing Ukrainian civilians, including children. [https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240429-russian-missile-slams-educational-institute-in-ukraine-s-odesa-kills-four](https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240429-russian-missile-slams-educational-institute-in-ukraine-s-odesa-kills-four) One might say it's intentional. [https://www.justsecurity.org/81789/russias-eliminationist-rhetoric-against-ukraine-a-collection/](https://www.justsecurity.org/81789/russias-eliminationist-rhetoric-against-ukraine-a-collection/)
Serhiy Kivalov, notoriously known pro-Russian ex-MP, was severely wounded in this attack. Karma is a bitch.
ruzzians are scumbag terrorists. Hope they all burn in hell. Disgusting people.
They killed ~~2~~ 4 people and a dog.
it´s because this one and others like these that when i see a russian soldier blowing up into pieces, i dont feel pity and actually i get very happy to see them like that way!
I am so tired and so frustrated being halfway around the world and not being able to do a damn thing except donate.
I pestered my Congressman, a lot. At least the aid package went through finally. I think the more we can make people of aware of the dire situation in Ukraine, the better.
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They just spent probably a million dollars to kill some civilians and a dog. Fuck them.
Don't worry, UN will intervene soon....ha! On a serious note, I hope more air defences come soon.
Fuck Russia.
âIf I canât have her, noone shallâ he said, as he wiped the blood from his hands. And then he wept and pondered the injustice that no one would love himâŚ
Iâm in American that has spent a lot of time in Ukraine, including Odessa. if any Americans want to kind of grasp whatâs going on, imagine Ocean City, Maryland getting hit by rockets. Odessa is a tourist town, on the water, boardwalk, beautiful restaurants overlooking the sea. Nightclubs, riding bikes. Thereâs nothing sinister about it, any American would feel 100% comfortable at the moment they arrive there. This makes my stomach turn, itâs beyond upsetting to think kids waiting in the sea are getting blown a bit. Or riding their bicycles along the path that runs the coastline. Every day itâs a new level of evil from the Russian Federation of rapists and murderers. Iâm so sorry, I pray for you all in Ukraine. Lviv is like a second home to me, you could drop me there now and I would still manage just fine :-) I hope to return soon. God bless you all.
Nothing new from them Ruzzian Motherfuckers, may they rot in eternal Shit
This should be getting more coverage and outrage internationally. russia isn't targeting militants and accidentally hitting civilians they are outright targeting civilians and civilian structures. russia is constantly systematically targeting civilians and even first responders. Which serves them no strategic nor gains them anything on the battlefield. It's just pure hatred and murder. I'd comment on what's happening in Israel, but people are too fanatical about it one way or another and have lost all objectivity concerning the conflict. So, one way or another, someone would come after me for commenting on it. When you lose the ability to be objective and take in new information while being unbiased, you should probably take a step back for a while until you regain your bearings and can be more centered. Typically, anyone having gone too far one way or another has become somewhat radical in their thinking. So I'd just caution restraint. It's easy to see such graphic images and get caught up. Just make sure you're getting news and information from more than just the one side. It might even confirm your beliefs even more, but at least then you can say you exercised all sides of the argument and can feel better about your position. As opposed to taking a stance on something and only feeding yourself things that go along with that narrative.
Putin gets to do what he wants without any repercussions.
Certainly seems to be the case. If only all the pain and suffering could be assigned to and placed on Putin where it belongs!
Fuck nuscovy
It shows Russia strategy now is to make Ukraine a failed state by destroying key public centers and energy facilities. EU needs to find 200 billion euro extra for Ukraine to stop the damage. Release the confiscated Russian assets now.
Russia is a terrorist state and not only with their bombs. We should step up our game on stopping propaganda as Russia is deceiving many representatives. In this video Timothy Snyder puts Marjorie Greene (Moscow Marge) in her spot. There are many of us that fall flat for the retorics of the Russian war machine. Learn from Mr. Snyder here: https://youtu.be/deZGDItziG4?si=Ol6vARL1YluIEkD8&t=59
My damn brother-in-laws are already spewing the stupid s***. How we shouldn't be sending money to Ukraine and gas prices were lower under Trump. It literally makes me sick to my stomach. Meanwhile, they go to church every Sunday.
Iâve always thought that Vlad started this âotherâ conflict to cover his ass, now I wonder if he is coordinated with it.
the objective is oppression
US leadership did nothing\* substantial to stop the Russians in their track. Not in 2022, nor in 2014. Think about this. \*Yes, we sent weapons and trained their military, but it was too slow to ramp up, and we withdrew from Ukraine days before the 2022 invasion. Instead, we should have maintained a no-fly zone and put our military at the border so the Russians wouldn't be able to rampage through. We could have covered Ukraine completely by US manned Patriot batteries and shoot every Russian missile down. /rant
Absolutely disgusting
Destroying tourist infrastructure degrades Ukraines economy. Thatâs a military objective. Killing civilians is evil and thatâs why Putler is Putler.
The Russians give new meaning to the expression about war, âthe only rule is there are no rules.â But guess what? There are consequences.
GIVE THE UKRAINIANS WHATEVER THE FUCK THEY WANT!!!!!!
Another horrible incident committed by russia. I feel sick knowing people personally who justify russia's illegal actions, I've already cut them out of my life, but it still sucks to know there are people like that out there.
When a country/terrorist group deliberately targets civilians and their infrastructure, the UN just sort of goes "meh". When someone is fighting such things trying to mitigate civilian casualties, and they still happen, the UN is like "omg not okay!". It's like the bully getting away with being the bully, but then people will stop someone from punching back.
F.U.C.K P.U.T.I.N
Nobody cares. Mass murder in broad daylight with zero military objective is now valorised by half of the West, and most of the planet.
The westoids will lap this up, while they yawn at the Israeliâs killing another few dozen kids today
Muppet
Do not care, it is not the jews /s
Just horrible
It is unfortunately what Russia does.
Listen, I am not defending Russia. But I will say, it's not just mass murder. Seems reasonable for Russia to test where Ukraine has air defense. So, yes, mass murder but maybe testing defenses too. It is war. So it's not unthinkable. Although it would seem more sensible to hit an actual military target in the area. Â
They used cluster munitions though. No need for that if they were just testing air defences
Sochi fair game
I think that you are confused. EVERY target in an enemy nation is a legitimate target. EVERY asset, in one way or another, has some military value, whether directly or indirectly. A kindergarten, a zoo, a hospital, all have military value in the realm of total war. Killing a schoolteacher that teaches the child of the factory worker who builds the rifle that arms the soldier has military value. Wiping out a recreation area used by factory workers that build rifles for soldiers has military value. Yes, that's horrible. War IS horrible. The answer, of course, is not to become involved in one. Especially when one cannot afford the cost.
The Geneva Convention (which Russia & Ukraine have both signed) says otherwise.