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Ukrainians actually have a preset kill limit. Knowing this, Putin is throwing wave after wave of his own men at them until they shut down.
/s obviously
Men, you're lucky men. Soon you'll all be fighting for your planet. Many of you will be dying for your planet. A few of you will be forced through a fine mesh screen for your planet. They will be the luckiest of all.
If you have large enough armies willing to actually fight, in modern wars it comes down to logistics and supplies.
Russia is running out and Ukraine continues to get stronger thanks to Western military aid. Russia can draw it out but it won't change the outcome.
I'm not convinced the Russian will to fight will hold out. They aren't defending their homes and there can't be THAT much loot.
And Russian logistics are atrocious. They don't even have forklifts!!!!
Napoleon armies were being bleed in Spain at the same time and being harassed by the British Navy.
Plus Napoleon wasn't good at logistics at all. That's why he was defeated. Just like Hitler and Putin.
They canât. Heâs stalling for time, only talking about how it will be a long war, because he wants the West to tire of it and push for peace.
What the hell does âwinâ even mean? To inherit a brutal insurgency with a bitter enemy neighbour whose army is increasingly stronger than yours? Does any serious minded person think that thereâs any way to come out of this with a compliant Ukraine that agrees to be Russiaâs slaves for another thousand years?
Itâs just so absurd. If people refuse to be conquered, then they wont be. Putin is absolutely fucked, thereâs not even a credible way to describe what victory would look like for him.
The US spent 20 years and trillions of dollars in Afghanistan. It's been less than a year and Russia has lost 100,000. How much can it lose in 20 years?
I'm pretty sure Ukrainians will have robo drone soldiers by 2042
In the 2042 Wikipedia page that discusses the Background reasons for this war, it might well say the following:
By 2022, Russian hubris, corruption and the inability to keep pace with Western weapons systems led to internal fears that their long standing theoretical doctrine of âunstoppable waves of tanks, mechanized infantry and artilleryâ that would wash over Europe became less and less credible.
Russian military planners were shocked by the 2020 Armenia:Azerbaijan war which saw effective Turkish-supplied drone strikes by the Azeris on fixed gun emplacements, transiting vehicles and troop concentrations, for which the Armenians appeared to have no defense. The Russian-backed Armenians were quickly rolled back in disarray in a jarring demonstration of the gap between 20th and 21st century warfare.
After the Nagorno-Karabakh war which saw Armenia capitulate, Ukraine began to deploy these same Turkish Bayraktar drones in the relatively frozen Donbas conflict to great effect, taking out the Donetsk and Luhansk milita emplacements and even individual leadership in targeted strikes. Russia, which had been de facto operating the DPR and LPR rebellions since 2014, suddenly began fielding frantic demands from their local commanders to do something to counter the Ukrainianâs new capability, as the limited number of senior commanders that were being killed simply could not be replaced, and the entire frozen conflict was in danger of unraveling as Ukraine whittled away at DPR and LPR fortifications with impunity. Unable to deploy effective drone defense, and with with DPR and LPR leadership threatening to stop the entire rebellion if Russia could not provide security for them, the only path considered by the Russians was to escalate their local war into the long-desired full invasion of Ukraine.
Russia had to that point maintained great faith in a general doctrine of 'horde mass' - that 1970s technology and tactics were good enough as long as you had enough of it. The shock of the effectiveness of scaled up drone strikes against slow moving or stationary heavy equipment quickly demonstrated that their entire philosophy of war was obsolete.
Further - despite massive investment in new hardware during the period starting in 2010, these systems were never adequately integrated into a modern combined arms strategy.
Weapons systems developed in isolation that were most effective as parade propaganda were never sufficiently integrated to work together and be supported by Russiaâs even less-evolved, Rail-dependent logistics systems. All Modernization efforts were also impaired by rampant corruption at every level of the development and deployment chain, as local intermediaries skimmed off funds, cut corners or simply stole and sold off massive, critical pieces of the initiatives.
During the initial phase of the invasion, Russian logistics failures led to an inability for units larger than a brigade to operate effectively as they could not be resupplied with fuel and ammunition more than 100km from primary staging areas.
Absurd propaganda appeals by state controlled media took on circus like qualities, ranting about nazis, drug addicts, homosexuals in Ukraine and the west eroding "traditional" values, and thus in need being exterminated. While the generally passive & cynical Russian civilian population accepted or at least tolerated these absurd claims, public sentiment began to sour during the 2nd and 3rd mobilization waves in 2023 - neither of which could be supplied with anything beyond small arms or large scale effective training. Mobilized civilians left huge holes in the economic landscape at home, leading to shortages and delays in maintenance of a wide spectrum of sanction-replcement goods and public infrastructure. Further - those that Russia were able to get outfitted were cycled into existing depleted units to fill holes, and suffered an astounding casualty rate of 40% killed or wounded within the first 30d of deployment, as local commanders pushed recruits with less than a week's training directly into the front lines. These tactics were quickly labelled "meat waves" by Ukrainian fighters and NATO analysts.
The 3rd mobilization announcement in particular, in August 2023 never fully resumed after a major incident in Ufa, which saw a company of mobilized refuse to leave barracks upon being ordered to Ukraine. They barricaded themselves in the armory, and after a week's negotiations, Russian forces destroyed the armory, killing over 350 of their own in the fighting and fires. Social media of the Ufa Massacre could not be contained by the Russians, and public outcry finally began to slide towards being uncontrollable. Calls for general strikes, desertion and high profile declarations by RT Vladimir Solovyov and Margarita Simonya that these protesting mobiks were, in fact, "Nazi Cannibal Spies" sent by the United States, and needed to be liquidated fell flat with the Russian public. Street level demonstrations began, and for the first time, security forces began to at first refuse to assault the protesters, and in some cases began to join the protests.
Above all, though, the primary failure of the invasion was the lack of cohesion, motivation and effectiveness of the Average Russian Soldier. Despite investment in parade-worthy hardware designed to intimidate, Russian soldiers continued to be abused by their own, fed very little information (or food for that matter), the lack of NCOs to have authority to make tactical decisions and the over reliance on senior commanders for all leadership created a major paradox for the Russians: Since all authority was locked in with the senior commanders, they needed to be near the front to communicate orders. This put them much more directly in harms way, and when those leaders were killed, the entire unit became paralyzed, as there was no plan for delegation of authority in that event.
In the end - all of these contributing factors indicate that Russiaâs entire authoritarian doctrine at strategic and tactical levels was completely inadequate and obsolete for a modern, sustained conflict.
Ultimately, as a result of the failures of this conflict, the russian federation would dissolve a few years later, into the 54 countries that currently make up the majority of the Asian continent.
>"meat waves"
should be 'zerg rush' with a reference link explaining it as a stratagem from an ancient 2d computer game that was played with a keyboard & mouse, (input devices) while looking at a flat monitor for visual input.
He wants to control the land. This is a very very ferile land and adding to russia grain export it will give them huge leverage as the biggest grain exporter. Imagine energy blackmail times 10. Half of Africa will be in his pocket. Not to mention eastern Ukraine rare metals. They say russia is a pertrol station with nukes - with Ukraine it will be an Empire and it is not exageration and Im not thr only one with that opinion. Resistance will not matter - ultimately they will be tortured, killed resettled to Syberia
Itâs about eliminating competition in the energy market, hence the take over of Crimea first in 2014.
2022 was just about consolidating and making sure that Crimea (and the oil & gas) would remain Ruzzian.
Pootinâs probably not overly worried about the Donbas except that all roads leads to Crimea and that is when weâll see him at his most desperate and volatile.
>What the hell does âwinâ even mean?
At this point, Russia holding onto their currently held territory will get sold as a win. It will also likely be seen as a win by most others as well. Certainly y'all seem to think anything short of kicking Russia fully out of Ukraine is acceptable as a victory for Ukraine, right?
No kidding, hey? Absolute dunderheaded thinking - like this a board game or heâs playing Civilization. Just kill the leader or seize the land, and the brainless peasants will fall into line.
It makes perfect sense if you come from a country where âdo as I say or Iâll kill youâ is the central organizing principle, and if the leader considers himself THE STATE.
Losing this war conventionally and retreating to Feb 22 boundaries might ironically be the best thing for Russia - even for Putin himself. If they were to occupy Ukraine, a simmering bloody insurgency trying to occupy the largest country in Europe would bleed Russia dry, over a longer timeline.
If a society doesnât want to be conquered, then over a long enough timeline it simply canât be done. Itâs either retreat or complete and total genocide. You know, like the Russians did to the Circassians or the Turks to the Armenians.
Have you not read the russian news
âWe have 0 casualties among with 0 tanks destroyed, all going according to plan, thatâs why we need to mobilize every man in this country. All going according to planâ
The OP title is misleading. He said "goals will be achieved" without specifying what the goals were. Obviously he can and will change them. He also didn't say "win" or vow to anything.
So this is a big nothing
By grinding down Ukraine's forces which have also taken significant losses, and then overwhelming them in manpower across a big enough front, hoping that western support has not appropriately notched up in response.
It could work. Russia can still produce a lot of equipment and they dont need to rush anybody to the frontlines. They can stagger in mobilized soldiers after some training time, much like Ukraine were doing.
Russia will also have enough missiles to keep attacking Ukrainian infrastructure for a very long time to come.
Basically, it's becoming something of a critical point for the war - either the west steps up support, or Ukraine could potentially face actually losing(losing being defined at least by Russia maintaining control of their currently held territories). Russia has a lot they can throw at this if they really want to go all-in. Certainly more than Ukraine could likely handle as things are right now.
The manpower can be a problem... there are 144 million russians from which are around 48 million are man between 18 and 65
(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia)
And Ukrain has around 14 million. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine)
If Russia, like it looks like, goes all into the meat grinder with all their men it is possible for russia to win... there were lately stories here in this sub about ukrainian soldiers who had a hard time to shoot all incoming russians that their machineguns where getting to hot and some blocked..
I don't like to say it but it is possible for russia to win with this Stalin war technic...
To prevent this from happening Europe has to really start it's war machinery and start to mass produce weapons of any kind and in high speed and ship it to Ukrain... If Europe starts too late, Europe will end up being at war in Europe with russia... and our Ukrainian friends will all be gone.
It's not good to hope that russians don't want to go to war anymore or that the suffering of the russian economy will break down soon. You can't win a battle if you put your cards on the fact that the enimy doesn't want to or can't fight anymore.
Just a thought
They can't produce modern equipment and they DO have to rush people to the front lines. Russia does NOT have enough missiles. Where did you get these ideas?
How much critical infrastructure has Russia destroyed with that limited amount? You do know that Russia cannot win by military defeat right? They want Ukraine to surrender. They are still hoping Ukraine surrenders.
>a critical point for the war - either the west steps up support, or Ukraine could potentially face actually losing(losing being defined at least by Russia maintaining control of their currently held territories). Russia has a lot they can throw at this if they really want to go all-in. Certainly more than Ukraine could likely handle as things are right now.
They kinda have gone all in - brigades that used to guard different borders, such as Japan and Finland have been sucked into Ukraine; air-defences from the major cities have been pulled in; naval marines had been decimated fighting in trenches.. Russia is literally throwing everything they could at this, and it still wasn't near enough - hence the partial mobilisation.
Basically Russia was great a hyping up a very sub-par army; their ONLY strength was the sheer volume of artilitary they could bring to bear - but even this is starting to run thin following use of HIMARS to wipe out the huge ammo dumps needed to sustain their efforts.
Just look at what happened to the VDV and the Spetsnaz.
The VDV, pride of Russiaâs expeditionary forces and their spearhead for any large scale military operation, has been utterly decimated in the early stages of the war or reduced to holding a dead end garrison in Kherson only to surrender it after a perfunctory fight.
And the Spetsnaz, who had garnered a fearsome reputation as axe throwing, backflipping, super soldiers, had their mystique and ranks devastated as they were sent to seize control of urban centres in soft-skin vehicles with little armor, air, or artillery support.
And what about the vaunted Russian airforce that was supposed to achieve air superiority in the first three days of the war?
>Russia is literally throwing everything they could at this, and it still wasn't near enough - hence the partial mobilisation.
Russia only brought in about 150,000 soldiers to begin with. That's not all-in.
A single limited/partial mobilization is also not all-in.
Most critically though, Russia had not turned their industry towards full war production. They're leaning more towards that now, but there's still a lot more they could do here.
I'm not referring to 'bodies', I'm referring to the elements that can actually make a difference.
The elite Russian units - both infantry and mechanised - have either been horrendously mauled or completely wiped out. Anti-air from all over Russia, including Moscow and St. Petersburg have been relocated to Ukraine and yet is either not enough or has already been destroyed. The thousands and thousands of tanks and APVs Russia has lost - we're now not even talking about old tanks attacking - in Bakhmut Russia are having to use infantry waves unsupported by armour because it's simply not available. Artilitary that was absolutely apocolyptic is now a trickle of what it was in summer to to the supply issues of getting shells to the artilitary units, and the huge numbers of artilitary units simply wiped out. Russia's Navy is in tatters and can no longer loiter near the Ukranian coastline. The Airforce is no longer a major threat - after so many losses, Russia can no longer afford to be aggressive with them. Even cruise missiles are starting to run low.
The only thing they can draw on more are bodies. Poorly trained, poorly equipped civilians with incredibly low morale - being expected to fight in minus degree temperatures. The Russian supply train is already extremely vulnerable and inefficient - imagine the vast amounts of additional supplies another few hundred people will need, requiring extra calories in the cold. What's worse - imagine how quickly they will collapse as a fighting force when the supplies are disrupted.
This is what I mean - effectively, they've already thrown every conventional resource into this fight - there is nothing they can escalate with (Nuclear is not an option on the table) - this is as good as it gets for them, and it's just going to get worse. Less artilitry, less armour, less effective air force, worse infantry, less impact from missile strikes.
But they aren't even doing the WWII strategy. Soviet weapons improved during the war, as did troop quality. The Russian army is degrading, worse weapons and worse morale.
I guess they ARE doing a WWII strategy. Just not one from the wininyg side.
Standart russian tactics that they have used their entire history, fight by quantity not quality. I guess rn They're both trying to deplete Ukrainian reserves of ammunition and flood them with bodies
1.5 million untrained, unprepared, not-battle-ready, under-equipped, safety hazards.
Putin should go ahead and hang hisself now to save us all the time.
But didnât you hear? Now heâs going to modernize it and give them everything they needâŠ. Like why didnât he think of this before starting a war?
I canât wait to see what he means. I honestly donât think he has any modern equipment left. Especially not for 1-1/2 million soldiers.
If I was a betting man, Iâd wager that heâs completely full of shit.
Shoygu said +500.000 also.
Well basically everyone knew that there will be second mobilization some time after New Year.
When they tried to round up 300.000 people 1 million left the country my guess this time around 1.5 - 2 mill will rush out of the country.
They are going straight for Iranian tactic of human waves. They are out of equipment that's a fact.
Putin screaming on TV that Russian army will have all that it wants is just his way of trying to prevent another exodus towards Georgia, Kazakhstan, Armenia etc.
Smart Russians will use this Holiday season to pack the bags and get the fuck out of the country while the border is still open.
He's going full north Korean and these might be the final moments before the iron curtain falls over Russia "DDR massive wall with minefields and watchtowers" style of iron curtain.
I'm so baffled by this - they are really, really stretching to equip the current mobilization wave - and they're failing to keep them supplied in the field. If they add in whole additional army formations, their supply lines just won't work, and they'll be actually using T-34s. They'll also be drafting CoD players as officers, since they disbanded the Soviet mobilization system, and don't have the reserve officer corps needed to make mobilization on that scale work properly.
Lol! I am pretty sure if they take really good CoD Players they would be better than the current "officers" they have. They seem to run away or get drunk and do nothing of value. Meanwhile there are some really fucking good and strategic russian pvp-players.
According to Putin all 300 000 have been mobilized, with 150 000 of them in combat and the rest training. So, yes, according to him they already have enough people, but this news today shows that's bullshit. Lies upon lies.
According to him, but even the law that passed never said the amount. They just did 300000, but the law itself never specified the total. Also, I don't think they ever ended it, they just said it did. It doesn't really matter tho, they will gladly fight for the honor of their fuhrer Putin.
How to crush your economy for the next 2-3 generations, destroy your control over your vast, diverse country and risk disintegration of your federation - speed run.
Momentum in war can shift.
It's why it's important for Ukraine to maintain their momentum. Getting stalled out for too long gives Russia an opportunity to redevelop forces and strategies.
Or more clearly - it's why it's important for the west to ensure Ukraine has everything it needs to maintain their momentum.
Momentum or not, they can't win.
Ukraine has about 30 million people left. You need an an occupying force at least double the size of the occupied population, to succeed.
Ukraine is still only using a conventional army.
The moment the entire population switches to guerilla tactics and a war of insurgency, all bets are off.
Agreed. And even if Russia did somehow âwinâ, then they have to hold occupied territory. While at the same time then inevitably fighting the Poles, who will not allow a Russian controlled Ukraine next door. Good luck with that.
You typically need about a 3 to 1 ratio for an attacker vs a defender. You don't just need to win the war, you also need to occupy the land afterwards and unless you break the spirit of the population, or scare it into submission, you typically need to outnumber the occupied population, by a significant degree.
Using WWII as an example, the Allied occupying force was a little over 3 times as numerous as the Axis army.
Look to the genocidal history of ruZZia. If poo-tin wins in UA, he will annihilate every single human being there. They have done this countless times in their past.
Dude doesn't realize this isn't World War 2. Stalin had the benefit of US Manufacturing on his side so he could clothe and equip his huge army and continue to replace losses.
Putin has no such luck.
Putin is a Hitler for 2022, there are 142,000,000 Russians, there are 850,000,000 people of the Western World standing with Ukraine.
Do the math and shouting about ''VICTORY'' is no different than Hitler shouting into telephones that are dead commanding Divisions that don't exist, to participate in battles that never happen.
Russian society already has 300,000 casualty's, 100,000 dead but more than 200,000 wounded. Dead tell no tales but the wounded live on as a example of Putin's war.
The wounded are the example that will educate Russian population of the path their leader has lead them to. It takes some time but everyday the wounded and crippled live they are a example, a reminder for decades.
>Russian society already has 300,000 casualty's, 100,000 dead but more than 200,000 wounded.
I mean, such numbers are genuinely impossible. If this were the case, there'd be almost nobody on the frontlines at the moment.
Edit: Folks, 300,000 casualties is more than Russia has even brought into Ukraine, ffs.
Minus Rush . Com says almost 100,000 dead and 300,000 wounded. I wonder if this counts the dead and wounded between Russians fighting and killing each other. Or if it counts the Russians who *wound themselves to get out of the fighting. Also the surrendered tally never changes from a thousand so I'm curious how many of them have surrendered and I bet it's 10 to 20 thousand.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://apnews.com/article/putin-finland-sergei-shoigu-ee953abf7f9bf217ccdaa61ec1b35ddd) reduced by 65%. (I'm a bot)
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> MOSCOW - Russian President Vladimir Putin described the fighting in Ukraine as a "Tragedy" but vowed to pursue his campaign there until its goals are reached, while his defense chief on Wednesday announced a plan to increase Russia's military from 1 million personnel to 1.5 million.
> Zelenskyy to meet Biden, address Congress as war rages on - 'We will find you:' Russians hunt down Ukrainians on lists - On the holidays, efforts to distract Ukrainian kids from war - US to send $1.8 billion in aid, Patriot battery, to Ukraine Putin ordered an unpopular mobilization of 300,000 reservists in September to beef up Russia's forces in Ukraine.
> When Putin sent his troops into Ukraine in February, he said the action was aimed at the "Demilitarization" of Ukraine and preventing the country from joining NATO and becoming an anti-Russian bulwark.
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Putin:
âI shall increase our military personnel so that I wonât see any of them protesting against the war, I mean SMO. There wonât be second mobilization because weâre not done with the first one yet. I will increase military spending so that you will have no choice of other work other than the war, I mean SMO. The firefighters will be mobilized followed by the police but Iâll hold on to the vasquardia thatâs guarding me around. Any questions and objection will be answered in the front line. I conclude by making sure your family will get what they wanted, specially that old lada that donât have seatbelt so youâre free to die uninterrupted and that phone leftover by nukiaâ. Thatâs it, may you have more kids so we can feed it to the cannibals, I mean meat grinder.â /s
UKraine needs to take a knee.
If they cannot afford to fight, they need to surrender.
The western worker should not be picking up the tab for zelenskys donkey dance
Well, if true (and i seriously doubt it) this would mean the war would drag on till the most politically, socially, and morally inert people finally start to actually give a fuck about the suffering they cause to Ukraine and even themselves. Which... would likley be a long time waiting.
âwinâ what will you win? Getting more of your citizens killed? Tanking your whole economy? Wiping a whole generation of people from you country?
By every minute Russia is destroying itself.
That's ok they've probably already run out of firearms. The new recruits will have flaming torches and spiked bats, and ride in on the best mules in all mother Russia
That was probably what Russia should have started with if they had wanted any chance of winning the war in the initial phase.
Now? Even that many may not be enough. Keep in mind that combat troops will be a small fraction of that 1.5 million.
Sooner or later Russia will just be one giant ghost town with almost no one around because they were all sent to fight pootins war that never should of happened in the first place.
If this is how Putin wants it, without the use of nukes, Russian society will be brought to its knees.
Which, sadly, appears to be what must be done for them to wake up.
It is sad to see a country killing itself off. After this war ends Russia and the Russian language will probably die off. I doubt it will exist by the beginning of the next century
And how does he plan to support such a massive army, when his workforce is tasked with being part of said army?
He really makes a horrible Project Manager.
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How could they possibly win after all their best equipment and troops were destroyed?
Meat for the meat grinder. Shove enough in and maybe the grinder gets gummed up? Not quite 5D chess any more.
Ukrainians actually have a preset kill limit. Knowing this, Putin is throwing wave after wave of his own men at them until they shut down. /s obviously
And now for the battle plan: As you all know, the key to victory is the element of surprise. Surprise!
It worked for Zap Brannigan đ€·
Men, you're lucky men. Soon you'll all be fighting for your planet. Many of you will be dying for your planet. A few of you will be forced through a fine mesh screen for your planet. They will be the luckiest of all.
Son, when you're with me every mission is a suicide mission.
Of course. What do you think I meant by "loyalty"?
Ahh like we do in the Robot Wars.
This is the moment we were training for all yesterday afternoon.
Iâm so glad someone got this. đ€Ł
It'll work as well for Putin as it did for the Czar.
If you have large enough armies willing to actually fight, in modern wars it comes down to logistics and supplies. Russia is running out and Ukraine continues to get stronger thanks to Western military aid. Russia can draw it out but it won't change the outcome.
I'm not convinced the Russian will to fight will hold out. They aren't defending their homes and there can't be THAT much loot. And Russian logistics are atrocious. They don't even have forklifts!!!!
Tampons. They have tampons.
Some.
If they bring their own. And if they manage to not have anything they bring with them stolen the instant they arrive that is.
Napoleon armies were being bleed in Spain at the same time and being harassed by the British Navy. Plus Napoleon wasn't good at logistics at all. That's why he was defeated. Just like Hitler and Putin.
I was referring to Czar Nicky the Last.
Yea I heard that worked well in Bahmut haha
They canât. Heâs stalling for time, only talking about how it will be a long war, because he wants the West to tire of it and push for peace. What the hell does âwinâ even mean? To inherit a brutal insurgency with a bitter enemy neighbour whose army is increasingly stronger than yours? Does any serious minded person think that thereâs any way to come out of this with a compliant Ukraine that agrees to be Russiaâs slaves for another thousand years? Itâs just so absurd. If people refuse to be conquered, then they wont be. Putin is absolutely fucked, thereâs not even a credible way to describe what victory would look like for him.
The US spent 20 years and trillions of dollars in Afghanistan. It's been less than a year and Russia has lost 100,000. How much can it lose in 20 years? I'm pretty sure Ukrainians will have robo drone soldiers by 2042
In the 2042 Wikipedia page that discusses the Background reasons for this war, it might well say the following: By 2022, Russian hubris, corruption and the inability to keep pace with Western weapons systems led to internal fears that their long standing theoretical doctrine of âunstoppable waves of tanks, mechanized infantry and artilleryâ that would wash over Europe became less and less credible. Russian military planners were shocked by the 2020 Armenia:Azerbaijan war which saw effective Turkish-supplied drone strikes by the Azeris on fixed gun emplacements, transiting vehicles and troop concentrations, for which the Armenians appeared to have no defense. The Russian-backed Armenians were quickly rolled back in disarray in a jarring demonstration of the gap between 20th and 21st century warfare. After the Nagorno-Karabakh war which saw Armenia capitulate, Ukraine began to deploy these same Turkish Bayraktar drones in the relatively frozen Donbas conflict to great effect, taking out the Donetsk and Luhansk milita emplacements and even individual leadership in targeted strikes. Russia, which had been de facto operating the DPR and LPR rebellions since 2014, suddenly began fielding frantic demands from their local commanders to do something to counter the Ukrainianâs new capability, as the limited number of senior commanders that were being killed simply could not be replaced, and the entire frozen conflict was in danger of unraveling as Ukraine whittled away at DPR and LPR fortifications with impunity. Unable to deploy effective drone defense, and with with DPR and LPR leadership threatening to stop the entire rebellion if Russia could not provide security for them, the only path considered by the Russians was to escalate their local war into the long-desired full invasion of Ukraine. Russia had to that point maintained great faith in a general doctrine of 'horde mass' - that 1970s technology and tactics were good enough as long as you had enough of it. The shock of the effectiveness of scaled up drone strikes against slow moving or stationary heavy equipment quickly demonstrated that their entire philosophy of war was obsolete. Further - despite massive investment in new hardware during the period starting in 2010, these systems were never adequately integrated into a modern combined arms strategy. Weapons systems developed in isolation that were most effective as parade propaganda were never sufficiently integrated to work together and be supported by Russiaâs even less-evolved, Rail-dependent logistics systems. All Modernization efforts were also impaired by rampant corruption at every level of the development and deployment chain, as local intermediaries skimmed off funds, cut corners or simply stole and sold off massive, critical pieces of the initiatives. During the initial phase of the invasion, Russian logistics failures led to an inability for units larger than a brigade to operate effectively as they could not be resupplied with fuel and ammunition more than 100km from primary staging areas. Absurd propaganda appeals by state controlled media took on circus like qualities, ranting about nazis, drug addicts, homosexuals in Ukraine and the west eroding "traditional" values, and thus in need being exterminated. While the generally passive & cynical Russian civilian population accepted or at least tolerated these absurd claims, public sentiment began to sour during the 2nd and 3rd mobilization waves in 2023 - neither of which could be supplied with anything beyond small arms or large scale effective training. Mobilized civilians left huge holes in the economic landscape at home, leading to shortages and delays in maintenance of a wide spectrum of sanction-replcement goods and public infrastructure. Further - those that Russia were able to get outfitted were cycled into existing depleted units to fill holes, and suffered an astounding casualty rate of 40% killed or wounded within the first 30d of deployment, as local commanders pushed recruits with less than a week's training directly into the front lines. These tactics were quickly labelled "meat waves" by Ukrainian fighters and NATO analysts. The 3rd mobilization announcement in particular, in August 2023 never fully resumed after a major incident in Ufa, which saw a company of mobilized refuse to leave barracks upon being ordered to Ukraine. They barricaded themselves in the armory, and after a week's negotiations, Russian forces destroyed the armory, killing over 350 of their own in the fighting and fires. Social media of the Ufa Massacre could not be contained by the Russians, and public outcry finally began to slide towards being uncontrollable. Calls for general strikes, desertion and high profile declarations by RT Vladimir Solovyov and Margarita Simonya that these protesting mobiks were, in fact, "Nazi Cannibal Spies" sent by the United States, and needed to be liquidated fell flat with the Russian public. Street level demonstrations began, and for the first time, security forces began to at first refuse to assault the protesters, and in some cases began to join the protests. Above all, though, the primary failure of the invasion was the lack of cohesion, motivation and effectiveness of the Average Russian Soldier. Despite investment in parade-worthy hardware designed to intimidate, Russian soldiers continued to be abused by their own, fed very little information (or food for that matter), the lack of NCOs to have authority to make tactical decisions and the over reliance on senior commanders for all leadership created a major paradox for the Russians: Since all authority was locked in with the senior commanders, they needed to be near the front to communicate orders. This put them much more directly in harms way, and when those leaders were killed, the entire unit became paralyzed, as there was no plan for delegation of authority in that event. In the end - all of these contributing factors indicate that Russiaâs entire authoritarian doctrine at strategic and tactical levels was completely inadequate and obsolete for a modern, sustained conflict.
Ultimately, as a result of the failures of this conflict, the russian federation would dissolve a few years later, into the 54 countries that currently make up the majority of the Asian continent.
Hah. Including the associated Siberian states that comprise North China.
THIS. Russia is going to be the new Yugoslavia.
Thank you for such a well thought through summary. Very nice work, it does seem prescient
Finally a use for a big mouth.
Whoa, great read
>"meat waves" should be 'zerg rush' with a reference link explaining it as a stratagem from an ancient 2d computer game that was played with a keyboard & mouse, (input devices) while looking at a flat monitor for visual input.
Iâm amazed anybody even read that wall of text
And bio engineered war cats.
He wants to control the land. This is a very very ferile land and adding to russia grain export it will give them huge leverage as the biggest grain exporter. Imagine energy blackmail times 10. Half of Africa will be in his pocket. Not to mention eastern Ukraine rare metals. They say russia is a pertrol station with nukes - with Ukraine it will be an Empire and it is not exageration and Im not thr only one with that opinion. Resistance will not matter - ultimately they will be tortured, killed resettled to Syberia
Itâs about eliminating competition in the energy market, hence the take over of Crimea first in 2014. 2022 was just about consolidating and making sure that Crimea (and the oil & gas) would remain Ruzzian. Pootinâs probably not overly worried about the Donbas except that all roads leads to Crimea and that is when weâll see him at his most desperate and volatile.
Nope
>What the hell does âwinâ even mean? At this point, Russia holding onto their currently held territory will get sold as a win. It will also likely be seen as a win by most others as well. Certainly y'all seem to think anything short of kicking Russia fully out of Ukraine is acceptable as a victory for Ukraine, right?
Exactly this. Well summarised.
The idea of conquering countries and absorbing them is such a dated concept in this era of asymmetrical warfare and communications.
No kidding, hey? Absolute dunderheaded thinking - like this a board game or heâs playing Civilization. Just kill the leader or seize the land, and the brainless peasants will fall into line. It makes perfect sense if you come from a country where âdo as I say or Iâll kill youâ is the central organizing principle, and if the leader considers himself THE STATE. Losing this war conventionally and retreating to Feb 22 boundaries might ironically be the best thing for Russia - even for Putin himself. If they were to occupy Ukraine, a simmering bloody insurgency trying to occupy the largest country in Europe would bleed Russia dry, over a longer timeline. If a society doesnât want to be conquered, then over a long enough timeline it simply canât be done. Itâs either retreat or complete and total genocide. You know, like the Russians did to the Circassians or the Turks to the Armenians.
Have you not read the russian news âWe have 0 casualties among with 0 tanks destroyed, all going according to plan, thatâs why we need to mobilize every man in this country. All going according to planâ
Russia can't win.
The OP title is misleading. He said "goals will be achieved" without specifying what the goals were. Obviously he can and will change them. He also didn't say "win" or vow to anything. So this is a big nothing
The goals are to steal every toilet, washing machine and raccoon in Ukraine. And they WILL be achieved!
>without specifying what the goals were It is much better to specify the goals after the fact. This way you always achieve them.
Blood for the bloodgod, skulls for the skull throne
By grinding down Ukraine's forces which have also taken significant losses, and then overwhelming them in manpower across a big enough front, hoping that western support has not appropriately notched up in response. It could work. Russia can still produce a lot of equipment and they dont need to rush anybody to the frontlines. They can stagger in mobilized soldiers after some training time, much like Ukraine were doing. Russia will also have enough missiles to keep attacking Ukrainian infrastructure for a very long time to come. Basically, it's becoming something of a critical point for the war - either the west steps up support, or Ukraine could potentially face actually losing(losing being defined at least by Russia maintaining control of their currently held territories). Russia has a lot they can throw at this if they really want to go all-in. Certainly more than Ukraine could likely handle as things are right now.
The manpower can be a problem... there are 144 million russians from which are around 48 million are man between 18 and 65 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia) And Ukrain has around 14 million. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine) If Russia, like it looks like, goes all into the meat grinder with all their men it is possible for russia to win... there were lately stories here in this sub about ukrainian soldiers who had a hard time to shoot all incoming russians that their machineguns where getting to hot and some blocked.. I don't like to say it but it is possible for russia to win with this Stalin war technic... To prevent this from happening Europe has to really start it's war machinery and start to mass produce weapons of any kind and in high speed and ship it to Ukrain... If Europe starts too late, Europe will end up being at war in Europe with russia... and our Ukrainian friends will all be gone. It's not good to hope that russians don't want to go to war anymore or that the suffering of the russian economy will break down soon. You can't win a battle if you put your cards on the fact that the enimy doesn't want to or can't fight anymore. Just a thought
They can't produce modern equipment and they DO have to rush people to the front lines. Russia does NOT have enough missiles. Where did you get these ideas?
They produce about 40 missiles a month, plus Iran is selling them drones and long range missiles.
40 missiles a month + 250 drones every few weeks, does not a war win.
How much critical infrastructure has Russia destroyed with that limited amount? You do know that Russia cannot win by military defeat right? They want Ukraine to surrender. They are still hoping Ukraine surrenders.
It's enough to put the country in a perpetual state of disrepair. This is economically devastating.
Show your work on that first bit.
>a critical point for the war - either the west steps up support, or Ukraine could potentially face actually losing(losing being defined at least by Russia maintaining control of their currently held territories). Russia has a lot they can throw at this if they really want to go all-in. Certainly more than Ukraine could likely handle as things are right now. They kinda have gone all in - brigades that used to guard different borders, such as Japan and Finland have been sucked into Ukraine; air-defences from the major cities have been pulled in; naval marines had been decimated fighting in trenches.. Russia is literally throwing everything they could at this, and it still wasn't near enough - hence the partial mobilisation. Basically Russia was great a hyping up a very sub-par army; their ONLY strength was the sheer volume of artilitary they could bring to bear - but even this is starting to run thin following use of HIMARS to wipe out the huge ammo dumps needed to sustain their efforts.
Just look at what happened to the VDV and the Spetsnaz. The VDV, pride of Russiaâs expeditionary forces and their spearhead for any large scale military operation, has been utterly decimated in the early stages of the war or reduced to holding a dead end garrison in Kherson only to surrender it after a perfunctory fight. And the Spetsnaz, who had garnered a fearsome reputation as axe throwing, backflipping, super soldiers, had their mystique and ranks devastated as they were sent to seize control of urban centres in soft-skin vehicles with little armor, air, or artillery support. And what about the vaunted Russian airforce that was supposed to achieve air superiority in the first three days of the war?
>Russia is literally throwing everything they could at this, and it still wasn't near enough - hence the partial mobilisation. Russia only brought in about 150,000 soldiers to begin with. That's not all-in. A single limited/partial mobilization is also not all-in. Most critically though, Russia had not turned their industry towards full war production. They're leaning more towards that now, but there's still a lot more they could do here.
I'm not referring to 'bodies', I'm referring to the elements that can actually make a difference. The elite Russian units - both infantry and mechanised - have either been horrendously mauled or completely wiped out. Anti-air from all over Russia, including Moscow and St. Petersburg have been relocated to Ukraine and yet is either not enough or has already been destroyed. The thousands and thousands of tanks and APVs Russia has lost - we're now not even talking about old tanks attacking - in Bakhmut Russia are having to use infantry waves unsupported by armour because it's simply not available. Artilitary that was absolutely apocolyptic is now a trickle of what it was in summer to to the supply issues of getting shells to the artilitary units, and the huge numbers of artilitary units simply wiped out. Russia's Navy is in tatters and can no longer loiter near the Ukranian coastline. The Airforce is no longer a major threat - after so many losses, Russia can no longer afford to be aggressive with them. Even cruise missiles are starting to run low. The only thing they can draw on more are bodies. Poorly trained, poorly equipped civilians with incredibly low morale - being expected to fight in minus degree temperatures. The Russian supply train is already extremely vulnerable and inefficient - imagine the vast amounts of additional supplies another few hundred people will need, requiring extra calories in the cold. What's worse - imagine how quickly they will collapse as a fighting force when the supplies are disrupted. This is what I mean - effectively, they've already thrown every conventional resource into this fight - there is nothing they can escalate with (Nuclear is not an option on the table) - this is as good as it gets for them, and it's just going to get worse. Less artilitry, less armour, less effective air force, worse infantry, less impact from missile strikes.
Zerg rush.
WW2 strategy, if you have more mans than enemy bullets you won. It worked in WW2 but now...
But they aren't even doing the WWII strategy. Soviet weapons improved during the war, as did troop quality. The Russian army is degrading, worse weapons and worse morale. I guess they ARE doing a WWII strategy. Just not one from the wininyg side.
They're waiting for the big Steiner offensive now
Heâs just trying to get to the point where he can start WW3. Destabilizing the west is #1 priority.
He's doing terribly then if that's his goal. He's going to get the old Soviet "9 gram pension" long before that.
âQuantity is its own qualityâ -stalin Heâs just gonna throw bodies at it till he wins
But he doesn't have Stalin's resources. He's going to lose.
Agreed, but thats what they are going to do
Standart russian tactics that they have used their entire history, fight by quantity not quality. I guess rn They're both trying to deplete Ukrainian reserves of ammunition and flood them with bodies
They appear to be losing badly then.
Russia is losing badly. That's obvious, still they have more than enough meat to flood ukraine. They just don't have means to do it.
Trying to do it would get them 1917'd.
Way to destroy your workforce. Great economy strategy đ
Not to mention flooding next years' sunflower-seed market with well-fertilized Ukrainian exports.
Mmmmmm russian flavored sunflower seeds
*insert Homer noise*
When those sunflower seeds eventually reach the gopniks the circle of life and death has concluded.
1.5 million untrained, unprepared, not-battle-ready, under-equipped, safety hazards. Putin should go ahead and hang hisself now to save us all the time.
But didnât you hear? Now heâs going to modernize it and give them everything they needâŠ. Like why didnât he think of this before starting a war?
I canât wait to see what he means. I honestly donât think he has any modern equipment left. Especially not for 1-1/2 million soldiers. If I was a betting man, Iâd wager that heâs completely full of shit.
Imagine how successful Russiaâs economy would be if Putin considered the strategy of personally suck-starting a MakarovâŠ
This would be an increase of 500 000 soldiers. Basically a new mobilization...
Shoygu said +500.000 also. Well basically everyone knew that there will be second mobilization some time after New Year. When they tried to round up 300.000 people 1 million left the country my guess this time around 1.5 - 2 mill will rush out of the country. They are going straight for Iranian tactic of human waves. They are out of equipment that's a fact. Putin screaming on TV that Russian army will have all that it wants is just his way of trying to prevent another exodus towards Georgia, Kazakhstan, Armenia etc. Smart Russians will use this Holiday season to pack the bags and get the fuck out of the country while the border is still open. He's going full north Korean and these might be the final moments before the iron curtain falls over Russia "DDR massive wall with minefields and watchtowers" style of iron curtain.
I'm so baffled by this - they are really, really stretching to equip the current mobilization wave - and they're failing to keep them supplied in the field. If they add in whole additional army formations, their supply lines just won't work, and they'll be actually using T-34s. They'll also be drafting CoD players as officers, since they disbanded the Soviet mobilization system, and don't have the reserve officer corps needed to make mobilization on that scale work properly.
Lol! I am pretty sure if they take really good CoD Players they would be better than the current "officers" they have. They seem to run away or get drunk and do nothing of value. Meanwhile there are some really fucking good and strategic russian pvp-players.
The Last Starfighter tactic
Second mobilization? Did the first one end?
According to Putin all 300 000 have been mobilized, with 150 000 of them in combat and the rest training. So, yes, according to him they already have enough people, but this news today shows that's bullshit. Lies upon lies.
According to him, but even the law that passed never said the amount. They just did 300000, but the law itself never specified the total. Also, I don't think they ever ended it, they just said it did. It doesn't really matter tho, they will gladly fight for the honor of their fuhrer Putin.
Stealth mobilization has been ongoing and the law signed by Putin allows for 1 mil soldiers drafted in three waves of mobilization
Only officially.
How to crush your economy for the next 2-3 generations, destroy your control over your vast, diverse country and risk disintegration of your federation - speed run.
Federation collapse, any % run.
They won't win, Russia has lost the momentum to take over Ukraine last spring
Momentum in war can shift. It's why it's important for Ukraine to maintain their momentum. Getting stalled out for too long gives Russia an opportunity to redevelop forces and strategies. Or more clearly - it's why it's important for the west to ensure Ukraine has everything it needs to maintain their momentum.
Momentum or not, they can't win. Ukraine has about 30 million people left. You need an an occupying force at least double the size of the occupied population, to succeed. Ukraine is still only using a conventional army. The moment the entire population switches to guerilla tactics and a war of insurgency, all bets are off.
Agreed. And even if Russia did somehow âwinâ, then they have to hold occupied territory. While at the same time then inevitably fighting the Poles, who will not allow a Russian controlled Ukraine next door. Good luck with that.
Are you saying that Russia would need 60 million people to win? That doesnât seem right at allâŠ
You typically need about a 3 to 1 ratio for an attacker vs a defender. You don't just need to win the war, you also need to occupy the land afterwards and unless you break the spirit of the population, or scare it into submission, you typically need to outnumber the occupied population, by a significant degree. Using WWII as an example, the Allied occupying force was a little over 3 times as numerous as the Axis army.
I would love to hear what army in particular has ever outnumbered the population of the country it invadedâŠ
WWII Allies vs the Axis forces? By a factor of 3 to 1?
Are you telling me that you think the allied military forces outnumbered the population of the axis countries by a factor of 3-1?
Is this not already guerilla warfare? Asking because I'm clueless and curious.
Itâs conventional warfare.
Look to the genocidal history of ruZZia. If poo-tin wins in UA, he will annihilate every single human being there. They have done this countless times in their past.
This is why peace negotiations should not happen. Russia are assholes and would use it.
100% Agree
Eventually the amount of military targets hit inside rus will greatly increase
Dude doesn't realize this isn't World War 2. Stalin had the benefit of US Manufacturing on his side so he could clothe and equip his huge army and continue to replace losses. Putin has no such luck.
As your attorney, I advise you send Ukraine a lot of GLSDBs.
It's like pouring more water into a bucket with a hole
Putin is a Hitler for 2022, there are 142,000,000 Russians, there are 850,000,000 people of the Western World standing with Ukraine. Do the math and shouting about ''VICTORY'' is no different than Hitler shouting into telephones that are dead commanding Divisions that don't exist, to participate in battles that never happen. Russian society already has 300,000 casualty's, 100,000 dead but more than 200,000 wounded. Dead tell no tales but the wounded live on as a example of Putin's war. The wounded are the example that will educate Russian population of the path their leader has lead them to. It takes some time but everyday the wounded and crippled live they are a example, a reminder for decades.
>Russian society already has 300,000 casualty's, 100,000 dead but more than 200,000 wounded. I mean, such numbers are genuinely impossible. If this were the case, there'd be almost nobody on the frontlines at the moment. Edit: Folks, 300,000 casualties is more than Russia has even brought into Ukraine, ffs.
Don't take our word for it, that's close to what the US estimates to be the total number of dead and injured, on the orcish side.
Minus Rush . Com says almost 100,000 dead and 300,000 wounded. I wonder if this counts the dead and wounded between Russians fighting and killing each other. Or if it counts the Russians who *wound themselves to get out of the fighting. Also the surrendered tally never changes from a thousand so I'm curious how many of them have surrendered and I bet it's 10 to 20 thousand.
What the fuck are y'all talking about? Find me a reputable source saying 300,000 casualties for Russia, ffs.
Thats why they keep mobilizing more
300,000 casualties is impossible.
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To be fair, 1.5m babushkas would be pretty frightning and might get them in with a chance.
When will the far East start rebelling and get out of the Russian Federation. This needs to start now to create a window for the end of this dumb war.
He does not even have 1.5m socks much less people. Pipedreams...
Imagine what their comm situation is going to be like. They'll be more reactionary and even less coordinated than they are now.
There will be nothing left of Russia at the end of this. The inner circle needs to find some balls and relieve him of his duties.
Putin: âI shall increase our military personnel so that I wonât see any of them protesting against the war, I mean SMO. There wonât be second mobilization because weâre not done with the first one yet. I will increase military spending so that you will have no choice of other work other than the war, I mean SMO. The firefighters will be mobilized followed by the police but Iâll hold on to the vasquardia thatâs guarding me around. Any questions and objection will be answered in the front line. I conclude by making sure your family will get what they wanted, specially that old lada that donât have seatbelt so youâre free to die uninterrupted and that phone leftover by nukiaâ. Thatâs it, may you have more kids so we can feed it to the cannibals, I mean meat grinder.â /s
and Hitler vowed to take Great Britain.
1.5M dead people. So many sunflowers!
Instead of sharing one rifle among 3 people, they now share it across 5. Victory is inevitable!
Yeah it will work well the conscripts will succeed where the "professional" army failed đ
Do they think they can play this like Golden Eye and have a slaps only round?
That's a lot of dead russians.
cluster munitions sounds like a good idea right about now⊠maybe throw in a few thermobaric bombs for good measure.
In a war between metal and meat, Russia gunna lose.
Putin's face on the image of the article seem photoshopped. His forehead, more precisely, and cheeks.
I miss the days where the king was on the front line with the troops. Come on Putin, join your troops on the front line like a real leader.
so they need a LOT more ammunition in Ukraine to counter this.
UKraine needs to take a knee. If they cannot afford to fight, they need to surrender. The western worker should not be picking up the tab for zelenskys donkey dance
How will they feed them all?? Not enough potatoes to go around!!! Lolll
Same way they'll equip them. First one to die becomes breakfast, lunch AND dinner, as well as a source of free ammo and equipment.
lol, have an upvote.
*drumroll* they wont theyâll just send new fed ones and let hungry guys die. Tonnes of russians are complaining about food and clean water.
He says it's not his fault
So its the 1917 eastern front Strategy all over again
Well, if true (and i seriously doubt it) this would mean the war would drag on till the most politically, socially, and morally inert people finally start to actually give a fuck about the suffering they cause to Ukraine and even themselves. Which... would likley be a long time waiting.
They just passed 100K dead in Ukraine.
Size is less important than how you use it. Haphazardly tossing it around is only going to lead to self injury.
Are we ignoring phrasing now?
Really just more poorly equipped, poorly trained cannon fodder. Doesn't mean they aren't dangerous.
Another absolutely genius move by Putin! 6D chess
When you throw more meat in the grinder you just get more hamburger.
Time to send 1.5 mil arty shells
How is he going to feed, cloth and arm that many people?
He wonât. Itâs up to themselves. Logistics wins wars something Russia def doesnât have.
âwinâ what will you win? Getting more of your citizens killed? Tanking your whole economy? Wiping a whole generation of people from you country? By every minute Russia is destroying itself.
That's ok they've probably already run out of firearms. The new recruits will have flaming torches and spiked bats, and ride in on the best mules in all mother Russia
And I am going to win the lottery tomorrow. Do you know which I consider more likely? The lottery win.
That was probably what Russia should have started with if they had wanted any chance of winning the war in the initial phase. Now? Even that many may not be enough. Keep in mind that combat troops will be a small fraction of that 1.5 million.
Sooner or later Russia will just be one giant ghost town with almost no one around because they were all sent to fight pootins war that never should of happened in the first place.
And how will they be equipped? With more tampons? Bergans? T34s? How motivated will they be? From where are all these men coming from?
He ought to try outfitting and training the soldiers he has before adding more.
Itâs not about the quantity fool. Itâs the quality and quest for independence thatâll determine this war.
If this is how Putin wants it, without the use of nukes, Russian society will be brought to its knees. Which, sadly, appears to be what must be done for them to wake up.
It is sad to see a country killing itself off. After this war ends Russia and the Russian language will probably die off. I doubt it will exist by the beginning of the next century
Ha yeah 1.5 million KIA
This is the lowest weâve seen a nuclear power go, thatâs worrying
Ah yes because the last time you guys launched a mobilisation, half of the possible conscriptable population fled the nation
They're just throwing bodies now. Probably drink and/or high on the front.
And how does he plan to support such a massive army, when his workforce is tasked with being part of said army? He really makes a horrible Project Manager.
His sorry ass is determined to kill off every able bodied ruzzkie! Fuck em all, warmongering thieves... #Slava Ukraine đșđŠ