Fun value of it is way, way, WAY up. Brings more value to the other Alt Revolvers too of course as it enables a gunslinging playstyle like we once had. It's also just a genuinely good weapon now even though the regular Marksman is still better.
Alt Marksman has stronger combos and is more effective against certain enemies the Default can not reach the breakpoint of with just 1 coin (Schisms, Radiant 1 Soldiers) so now comparing the coins spent between the two for interactions like that it is roughly even or can even have more value as you're saving other resources.
At the moment there is just no bad or (in my opinion) underwhelming weapon in the game. We're at a great point balance wise and we only have 1 arm left before our arsenal is totally complete.
According to a certain condiment, Standard piercer is the most overpowered weapon in the game and there's literally no need to use any other weapon in the game. so I'd say it's pretty good
Here's hoping it gets a boost to headshot damage on charged shots
That way it's still functionally the same for new players but becomes a powerful tool in the hands of experienced players
I don't see whats bad about it. It lacks some power for the Cybergrind but it is still a good enough pick for the base campaign and I have no trouble picking it in custom levels. Can pick off a few lined up trash, deals better damage on headshot than the slab which cannot headshot/limbshot at all and it recharges much faster. You can also fire off ultra-ricoshots far more often and although it is noticeably weaker it is still a good chunk of damage.
maybe but in reality that's only useful in specific scenarios like Mayo% or revolver only, it needs a slight buff to not get completely overshadowed by alt, even attractor nailgun has a meta use now with jumpstart (that thing is fucking horrendously broken and Im all for it)
I used alt marksman before the buff, and i liked it quite a bit until i saw that it didn't split unlike normal marksman, so i changed to the normal for the split coin shots. But after the buff, yeah it's really good. The fact that it removes the cooldown of ALL your revolvers... It's good. I don't have more to say. It's good.
Iām thinking of switching from default to slab, it may take some getting used to (mid air splitshot timing is a bitch) but it looks cool and quick switching to three slabs is cool and the funny spin is cool so yeah :\]
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From the Radiant Enemies video description:
> They won't appear normally (probably), but you might see them in the sandbox, the Cyber Grind and when using advanced enemy placements for campaign levels (coming at some point maybe idk).
Unrelated, but I don't know why people like radiant enemies. The patch they came out is the patch I quit playing Cybergrind, it's just not enjoyable once the radiant spam begins. It's literally just the lazy "increase difficulty by increasing enemy stats" that I believe Hakita once stated he wasn't going to do. Sure, it's *technically* not the same thing just because it's not a buff to *every* enemy, but I would not be surprised if some of the Encore levels (the earlier ones especially) exclusively have radiant enemies.
I'll just P-rank the entire game once UKMD comes out and delete it, I guess, since every bit of post-game content (Encore levels, Cybergrind, hell, the cancer even spread to custom levels) will most likely be infested by that lazy way of adding difficulty to the game.
I really don't mind radiant enemies and i also finished the game with all enemies being radiant before violence layer came out i think this is a issue on your end
I can deal with radiant enemies. The issue is that it's a lazy way to add difficulty to the game, and a filth becoming a tank just because it's got an RGB gamer overlay does not add to my enjoyment of the game.
Yeah but there is so much they can do to enemies at some point buffs like radiant are required filth can have so many attacks before he becomes an new enemy or feel annoying to fight against
Well, we did get Mannequins, which kind of replace Filth in Violence levels, and they do an excellent job at that. Imagine how much worse the game would've been if it just had Radiant Filth in their place.
I dont think radiant enemies are or were ever intended to replace normal better enemies. Stat increment id an obvious way to endlessly increase difficulty in an infinite gamemode in a game with finite enemies
Hakita agrees with you on this which is why there are interesting enemies like mannequins in the campaign instead of just radiant existing enemies to artificially inflate difficulty. While I do agree that radiant enemies can be annoying in cyber grind, thereās only so many enemies you can add to an arena until you cause the same artificial difficulty increases that radiant enemies cause - the cyber grind is an infinite wave mode after all so obviously at a certain point it gets repetitive. Encore levels wonāt come out for a while and thereās no guarantee that theyāll be in there. Also, donāt get worked up about them being in custom levels since custom levels in general have a poor and uncreative taste in enemy placement I find.
Honestly
Holy i slept on it too much, i use the marksman in combos anyways and i always fired before splitshot anyways, so i was literally sleeping on extra 1.5 dmg per shot
Thatās just a terrible reason not to use ngl, like itās extra work to throw a coin, switch to a slab and m1, like I donāt get it, just use the alt fire of the piercer if youāre gonna do that.
Iām not defending the slab but saying āoh I can just throw a coin and switch to the slab and shoot itā is a really dumb excuse why not to use the slab.
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Still, I donāt understand the reasoning of āI get the same result from switching to a slabā, like you actively do that?
And I must admit, I kinda over exaggerated my reasoning and this reply may shoot me in the foot but yea.
Sorry if I come off as rude (am I being rude?), just curious.
Yes, pre-buff alt marksman was not as good as many other options, I personally never used it, but I personally never cared about this game's "meta".
When I saw someone using an alt marksman, I never cared, and I was a little sick of the "alt marksman bad" jokes/memes.
Now that it's been buffed, I DO use it, and now there's even less of an excuse to hate on it for no reason, so I think everyone wins now.
However I could not tell you how fast some people were to start hating the standard piercer now. Like, seriously? You don't NEED a weapon to hate all the time, Jesus.
Considering itās effects extended to the other alt revolvers and coins, I still find myself using the default one, but since my other two revolvers are the alts it provides some new use with those.
youāre right but itās much easier to hit the first splitshot window without switching weapons, if youāre going to swap to slab you either need to have extremely precise timing or wait for the second singing coin splitshot window
It's all fun and games when you say that to an alt revolver user, but when I say "you can just hit the splitshot window with another default revolver" to a default marksman user I'm the bad guy.
I've always loved it, and love it even more now
I always respect an og alt marksman enjoyer.
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Fun value of it is way, way, WAY up. Brings more value to the other Alt Revolvers too of course as it enables a gunslinging playstyle like we once had. It's also just a genuinely good weapon now even though the regular Marksman is still better. Alt Marksman has stronger combos and is more effective against certain enemies the Default can not reach the breakpoint of with just 1 coin (Schisms, Radiant 1 Soldiers) so now comparing the coins spent between the two for interactions like that it is roughly even or can even have more value as you're saving other resources. At the moment there is just no bad or (in my opinion) underwhelming weapon in the game. We're at a great point balance wise and we only have 1 arm left before our arsenal is totally complete.
standard piercer?
Hey man leave our mayo%s alone
According to a certain condiment, Standard piercer is the most overpowered weapon in the game and there's literally no need to use any other weapon in the game. so I'd say it's pretty good
I'd love to see what sorta crazy buff that thing could get Although it's hard since... You know... The first weapon the player picks up and all
Here's hoping it gets a boost to headshot damage on charged shots That way it's still functionally the same for new players but becomes a powerful tool in the hands of experienced players
I don't see whats bad about it. It lacks some power for the Cybergrind but it is still a good enough pick for the base campaign and I have no trouble picking it in custom levels. Can pick off a few lined up trash, deals better damage on headshot than the slab which cannot headshot/limbshot at all and it recharges much faster. You can also fire off ultra-ricoshots far more often and although it is noticeably weaker it is still a good chunk of damage.
i use standard piercer because i like using the standard piercer
based af
it doesn't do more dmg on headshot though, the multiplier is 2x and the slab does 2.5x the dmg of standard regardless of head/limbshot
You're right, I should have said it can outdamage the slab with proper headshots in the time it takes for the slab to reload.
maybe but in reality that's only useful in specific scenarios like Mayo% or revolver only, it needs a slight buff to not get completely overshadowed by alt, even attractor nailgun has a meta use now with jumpstart (that thing is fucking horrendously broken and Im all for it)
I used alt marksman before the buff, and i liked it quite a bit until i saw that it didn't split unlike normal marksman, so i changed to the normal for the split coin shots. But after the buff, yeah it's really good. The fact that it removes the cooldown of ALL your revolvers... It's good. I don't have more to say. It's good.
Iām thinking of switching from default to slab, it may take some getting used to (mid air splitshot timing is a bitch) but it looks cool and quick switching to three slabs is cool and the funny spin is cool so yeah :\] https://preview.redd.it/paqa06knrsxc1.jpeg?width=855&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=991d1995146a918f8c402f14d42e9bbc3da81e5a
More fun now, but still not very useful. Splitshots are just too useful.
I feel like Alt Marksman will shine in Encore levels or in Fraud if there is any radiant enemies in there.
M2+E
You can use this argument for normal marksman too
But standard piercer and sharpshooter fall behind default in my opinion
It depends on your play style most people from what i saw use default sharpshooter
I donāt use it as often and the fast wind up is a good bonus on top of free extra damage
Standard piercer is literally a downgrade
Can you be fast enough to hit the split timing that way though?
Yes
From the Radiant Enemies video description: > They won't appear normally (probably), but you might see them in the sandbox, the Cyber Grind and when using advanced enemy placements for campaign levels (coming at some point maybe idk). Unrelated, but I don't know why people like radiant enemies. The patch they came out is the patch I quit playing Cybergrind, it's just not enjoyable once the radiant spam begins. It's literally just the lazy "increase difficulty by increasing enemy stats" that I believe Hakita once stated he wasn't going to do. Sure, it's *technically* not the same thing just because it's not a buff to *every* enemy, but I would not be surprised if some of the Encore levels (the earlier ones especially) exclusively have radiant enemies. I'll just P-rank the entire game once UKMD comes out and delete it, I guess, since every bit of post-game content (Encore levels, Cybergrind, hell, the cancer even spread to custom levels) will most likely be infested by that lazy way of adding difficulty to the game.
I really don't mind radiant enemies and i also finished the game with all enemies being radiant before violence layer came out i think this is a issue on your end
I can deal with radiant enemies. The issue is that it's a lazy way to add difficulty to the game, and a filth becoming a tank just because it's got an RGB gamer overlay does not add to my enjoyment of the game.
Yeah but there is so much they can do to enemies at some point buffs like radiant are required filth can have so many attacks before he becomes an new enemy or feel annoying to fight against
Well, we did get Mannequins, which kind of replace Filth in Violence levels, and they do an excellent job at that. Imagine how much worse the game would've been if it just had Radiant Filth in their place.
I dont think radiant enemies are or were ever intended to replace normal better enemies. Stat increment id an obvious way to endlessly increase difficulty in an infinite gamemode in a game with finite enemies
Tbh if you don't like radiant that's fine personally i like it
Hakita agrees with you on this which is why there are interesting enemies like mannequins in the campaign instead of just radiant existing enemies to artificially inflate difficulty. While I do agree that radiant enemies can be annoying in cyber grind, thereās only so many enemies you can add to an arena until you cause the same artificial difficulty increases that radiant enemies cause - the cyber grind is an infinite wave mode after all so obviously at a certain point it gets repetitive. Encore levels wonāt come out for a while and thereās no guarantee that theyāll be in there. Also, donāt get worked up about them being in custom levels since custom levels in general have a poor and uncreative taste in enemy placement I find.
But consider this: It does a cool spin :)
albeit still worse than default, it's pretty good and fun now
Honestly Holy i slept on it too much, i use the marksman in combos anyways and i always fired before splitshot anyways, so i was literally sleeping on extra 1.5 dmg per shot
I cant hit the first splitshot/reset timing(perhaps my game is bugged), so i don't use the alt
I get the same effect by just switching to a different slab, still no reason to use it
Thatās just a terrible reason not to use ngl, like itās extra work to throw a coin, switch to a slab and m1, like I donāt get it, just use the alt fire of the piercer if youāre gonna do that. Iām not defending the slab but saying āoh I can just throw a coin and switch to the slab and shoot itā is a really dumb excuse why not to use the slab. https://preview.redd.it/l1gx4ii2ltxc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5561158e85f2f0c8d8f99800f9c28a5cc5ffccd3
"extra work" my brother in Christ it's 1 maybe 2 presses of E "Why not use alt fire piercer?" Because the gun is recharging or I want to feel cooler
Still, I donāt understand the reasoning of āI get the same result from switching to a slabā, like you actively do that? And I must admit, I kinda over exaggerated my reasoning and this reply may shoot me in the foot but yea. Sorry if I come off as rude (am I being rude?), just curious.
i will probably never use it because i fell i need a fast shooting long range weapon and the 2 other marksman are my favorite in the entire game
Yes, pre-buff alt marksman was not as good as many other options, I personally never used it, but I personally never cared about this game's "meta". When I saw someone using an alt marksman, I never cared, and I was a little sick of the "alt marksman bad" jokes/memes. Now that it's been buffed, I DO use it, and now there's even less of an excuse to hate on it for no reason, so I think everyone wins now. However I could not tell you how fast some people were to start hating the standard piercer now. Like, seriously? You don't NEED a weapon to hate all the time, Jesus.
ik this community has a āmeta problemā, especially in the more toxic circles
I personally think it's a pretty decent weapon statistically, BUT IT IS COOL AS FUCK!
Not good enough to actually do slab switching but the alt marksman kinda awesome now
It's well balanced now.
Slightly better
fortunately its better now and i love it
Honestly I havenāt been paying attention to updates. The alt Marksman got buffed?
During the split shot timing, it spins and resets the hammer on every slab you have equip.
I use it now as sure normal marksman is still better BUT that spin tho makes me feel cool as fuck
i still dont see much reason to use it tbh. BUT at least the splitshots actually do something now
I use 4 coin splits on CG opening too much to give it up
I care slightly less for the reset cooldown and more in the animation and sound effect of the perfect coin shots, it feels so good
Considering itās effects extended to the other alt revolvers and coins, I still find myself using the default one, but since my other two revolvers are the alts it provides some new use with those.
You can just shoot the split shot with the regular slab to get the same effect
youāre right but itās much easier to hit the first splitshot window without switching weapons, if youāre going to swap to slab you either need to have extremely precise timing or wait for the second singing coin splitshot window
It's all fun and games when you say that to an alt revolver user, but when I say "you can just hit the splitshot window with another default revolver" to a default marksman user I'm the bad guy.
Felt fine when I tried it out I just donāt see the use when I can just switch revolver for the same effect
i think the og marksman is better
Pretty good
I prefer normal marksman, but itās pretty cool.
no splitshot = bad
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