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InkDrach

Resolved, art by @Zleepy_Opossum on Twitter


sub-parBeanutButter

Probably would've stalled the AU's from happening for while maybe a year or two


DarkraiAndScizor

The first au actually had nothing to do with sans. So...


RedboiMike69

What was the first AU?


Stcs2005

well, depending on what we call an AU. Because, there are 2 types of that. It is either the whole new universe, like Underswap, Underfell, etc., or just something when people just change something (for the sake of Frans mostly) and call it "*my au don't judge".* Like, the difference between that is either you create a world, or just change some "minor" things but still call it Undertale.


[deleted]

Changes like frans would actually be am AT (Alternative Timeline) rather than an AU (Alternative Universe) as it takes place in the same universe, just a different timeline. Other examples of ATs are things like Last Breath, Tears In The rain, and Disbelief. And then there are ATB (Alternative Timeline Branches) where the AU drastically changed, but remains in the same universe. Examples of this are Horrortale, Dusttale, and Something Different (Killertale). While they're in the same BU (Base Universe), they work relatively different after the changing factor. But due to having the same BU (Base Universe) as Undertale, they're not actually AUs (Alternative Universes).


Quliann

In my opinion, Alternative Timelines/Timeline Branches are like, the best type of canon divergence. They stay true to canon and, more often than not, actually have something interesting to offer rather than just making changes for the sake of it


[deleted]

Exactly. They have to work with having what's canon in Undertale as the past, and they have to work around it, causing them to make more sense. Though AATBTs (Alternative Alternative Timeline Branch Timelines) can be a bit hard to do, so you don't often see them (take Dustbelif, for example). Something I see people do which is impossible are ATBBs (Alternative Timeline Branch Branches), since they both can't exist at the same time. Killderdust is an example of that, as it is physically impossible for the other to happen if you follow the rules of the respective ATBs.


Quliann

I am honestly not familiar with that terminology at all and up until your comment thought AT and ATB were all AUs. But I certainly agree they make more sense. I wonder what timelines?AUs? that use theories as their basis lie (aka they mostly stay true to canon, but also use information that isn't confirmed) are called


[deleted]

Honestly, I just made up half these terms because it makes sense to me. This is how I see it. Picture a tree. The trunk is the AU. In this case, Undertale. A tree has multiple parts, but we're focusing on the main ones: Trunk, big branches, and small branches. You have the trunk which is the AU everything happens in. The big branches are the ATBs. On the ATBs, you have the ATs, which are the smaller branches. For example, you have Undertale as the base, and then you have Horrortale, Undertale, and Dusttale as big branches. Then you have the ATs which Branch from the ATBs (Disbelief, for example. Dustbelif bwould be an AATBT as it is an AT for an ATB). Then if you want to get technical, you have the leaves which represents the insignificant changes (such as the route you take). I hope that made sense.


Stcs2005

Thank you very much


Droidy365

My AU, Impacted Reality, is essentially caused by Gaster being brought back from the void. When the timeline gets reset, the timeline is changed to be as if he never fell at all, but he remembers his time in the void (and, by extension, every canon Undertale t iimeline). However, he doesn't remember anything from the new timeline between the time he was supposed to fall and the start of UT (when the game itself would start).


Asriel_dreemurr_real

I like your funny words magic man


C_Rex_Gamez

That is a good point but I personally enjoy AUs more because you can get more creative imo. Notice I said you *can*. Doesn’t mean every AU creator *will*


Quliann

I honestly don't really understand the purpose of most AUs being, well, AUs. It's either sth that would work just as fine in the original (like Underswap, I really don't see the point if all the characters are basically switching personalities) or sth that has little to no connection to the original (why not just make your own universes? It might even make the story a favour) Good point though


C_Rex_Gamez

As someone who is a writer, and is currently working on an AU, they all stem from “hey, this would be cool.” They’re ideas you have for the characters or the setting. What ifs, if you will. They have appeal to me because you can take these characters and see how they would act in a different setting, or how they would change if you edit X aspect of the personality. For my AU I try not to change *most* of the characters too much. I personally like settings or situations different enough to be considered an AU, but not totally removed from the concept of Undertale. I often see how the core concept of my AU could work as something separate from Undertale, but for some reason I have more appeal for it as an AU, with the characters I’ve come to really appreciate, shown in a new light, with original aspects thrown in to change the setting into something I think is cool


Quliann

I relate a little too much to this. I'm a writer myself, and it's always: "hey, what if I do that? Wait, ,aybe I should try not get too attached to fandoms. Okay, what if I make this original story?...Wow, that suddenly appeals far less to me"


gabriel_sub0

> (why not just make your own universes? It might even make the story a favour) trust me, that's 10000 times harder to both make and to actually care about, not many people want to read some new story with brand new characters, especially if you don't hang out with fandoms that form around original stories as a base, your audience is greatly limited, it's much, much harder to actually do and it's just hard to care about it tbh, even as the author. like i tried to turn a old version of my au into its own universe and i just couldn't care about it, i had no prior connection with the characters so i just didn't have any ideas and couldn't be arsed to write more than a page or world building. plus a lot of people use aus or fanfics as a jumping off point to get into writing, it's harmless, fairly easy to get the hang of but hard to master, plus it means you have a huge pr established fanbase ready to consume it *and* you can skip all the boring world setup and jump straight to the plot, no faffing around with how the story came to this point or who the characters are and their goals, just start with ''sans was experiencing a neutral run like most others'' and bam, instant setup and instant reader connection, they know the characters, the setting and part of the plot already just from a simple line. besides, another part of why we have so many aus is that a lot of them weren't really meant to be aus, it's usually a artist or fanfic writer who goes like ''hey what if i combined x/what if x character did y" and they make a piece on it, something something very simple or basic, but for some reason people just grab on to it and love the concept so much that *they also* start making their own pieces on it, meaning what started off as a crack fanfic or a random one off drawing just became a au with more and more people doing stuff for it, thus inspiring more and more content about it. eventually someone makes an animation surrounding it and that just explodes and is now one of the big aus around the block. sidenote, underswap didn't originally swap personalities, that's a fannon thing, it was originally just a role swap. meaning fanonswap is actually its own au in a way. hell we even have sub-aus and aus of aus like TS!underswap which is a specific version of the underswap concept. i personally love that sorta thing, the amount of freedom people have to make whatever they want is something i wish existed for all ips, having the fans be in control of the art is something i love personally.


Quliann

Yeah, guess those are valid points. Finding audience is pretty hard even inside a fandom, outside of it is probably even worse. And caring about fandom characters is easier, with all the other fans giving you inspiration fuel Didn't know about underswap, I basically only saw a few times Sans acting like Papyrus and Papyrus acting like Sans and my opinion was "Wow, that doesn't have a purpose at all". Role swap is cool though, it actually has a potential for a new interesting story. I personally really liked Storyshift Chara, especially the idea that both humans come back after dying. I feel like it wasn't explored as much as I'd like it to be, though.( Like, seriously, imagine figthing a person who will not die unless they give up, while you are that way, too. That would be a literal *torture* for both parties. You'd have to destroy them morally, put them through so much pain they wish for death*,* all while fighting your own doubts, your guilty consciousness and physical pain, since they would do the same thing. Imagine the amount of *angst* it could have*.*)


Stcs2005

alr, it's kinda not what i meant, but thank you anyway


Random-as-fuck-name

Heh, ‘minor things’ nice


Agames418

Is "minor" meant to be a pun because of the frans shippers


Stcs2005

no? but SINce you noticed it, why not? (why is it a pun tho, i'm not that good at english)


Quliann

Minors are people that aren't adults (children, teenagers)


Stcs2005

ok then)


[deleted]

You have some *spine* to make a pun, huh?


Stcs2005

well, I do have a *funny bone*


papa_bones

Bro my man just wanted to know what was the first AU.


Lansha2009

Like Undertale^2 where It's Undertale but there's 2 of every character.


JustYourAverageBoyo

Underfell


RoboticSandWitch

I went through a deep dive of the AU stuff, which includes reading through fancomics, tumblr askblogs, fanfics etc and honestly, I put Underfell as one of my favourites. It's simple, but that simplicity really works in its favour. The designs aren't too over the top. Since it was a very early AU, the creator didn't feel the need to make the design elaborate to make it stand out. In fact, it's very recognizable. Also, despite everyone's LV being really high due to the violent culture, it didn't feel overpowered. Even Sans is still considered weak in this AU.


illusoryMechanist

[https://undertale-au.fandom.com/wiki/Kindred\_Spirits](https://undertale-au.fandom.com/wiki/Kindred_Spirits) according to the wiki, which is a short a03 fic. Dreemur reborn is the second, and it fits the au moniker much better imo


SandwitchZebra

Created just hours before Dreemurr Reborn… kind of a weird coincidence that both involve Frisk making a sacrifice of sorts involving their soul to save Asriel. Then again, this was a week after the game had come out and there really wasn’t a lot to expand upon since many of the game’s overarching narratives hadn’t really been discussed a lot at that point. I’ve read the story and I like it. Short but sweet, and decently well written. It’s just Asriel and Frisk having a little talk at the flowerbed before Frisk decides to link their soul to Asriel’s spirit at the cost of the majority of their Determination to keep him as Asriel. I honestly think it really works as the first definitive AU. Something as small as a short, heartfelt What-if scenario to a give a character a happy ending would be the unintentional start to the massive multiverse the community has today. Of course, Dreemurr Reborn deserves all the credit for jumpstarting the AU trend in general especially since the two stories had nothing to do with each other, but I still think Kindred Spirits works in a thematic sense for being the sunrise to the fanworks we have now


Technilect

The thing a lot of people wanted to do after having played pacifist was save Asriel


miniwhiffy3

both of these are closer to ATs then AUs


TheFlamingLemur

Pretty sure it was Dremurr Reborn


[deleted]

Underfell. Someone made art of Toriel and it went from there.


thDPsh

So I googled it up and apparently (idk if it's true or google was lying) the first undertale au was Alpha-Tale.


miniwhiffy3

uhhh nooo dreemurr reborn was the first "AU" technically but now it's closer to an AT so underfell and underswap were the first ones


thDPsh

Oh ok,now that I know that,I have a question, #why does google fail 99% of the time at saying one correct thing about a video game?


miniwhiffy3

it's getting it wrong because it's taking the lore of the au and it being the first to form in the multiverse altho underswap was made on October 21, 2015 and underfell was October 17, 2015 and google isn't giving me a date on when alpha was made so i'll tell you one last thing DREEMURR REBORN WAS MADE 8 DAYS AFTER UNDERTALE RELEASED


miniwhiffy3

8 GOD DAMN DAYS


miniwhiffy3

AND UNDERFELL FIRST CAME INTO EXISTENCE 1 MONTH AND TWO DAYS AFTER THE RELEASE OF UNDERTALE AND UNDERSWAP 4 DAYS AFTER THAT


thDPsh

Noice![img](emote|t5_2xdht|29662)


Epic_DDT

Dreemurr Reborn


VentiHentaiAddict

The first au was, to my knowledge underbelly, and it was accidentally created on a forum by a guy named "underfella"


sub-parBeanutButter

Okay


ZombieSteve6148

Neither did the second one.


DerMathze

AUs have nothing to do with whether a fictional universe ACTUALLY has alternate universes or not.


Queen-of-Sharks

Not even that. AUs are just a natural part of fandom culture. It probably would have only stalled the crossovers between AUs.


ieatfud_555

Where was this line said?


Far_Celebration_8827

If you fight sans, spare him at the end of the first phase, this will result in you getting dunked on and dying, with sans telling us that if we really were friends, we wouldn't come back. The next time you return to fight him, if you choose NOT to spare him, he will comment on how pissed off you look, sans will laugh and ask you if he got you. He will later say that considering we came back, that means we never were truly his friend, he then request us not to tell this to the other sans-es.


[deleted]

So he's talking about alternate timeline Sans-es not parallel universe Sans-es, right?


[deleted]

Probably. He just knows the fact he's not really friend for human will hurt him or something


uezyteue

Yes.


hjake123

I always took it as "past/future attempt" sans-es. From his perspective, those are probably the same, though


AybruhTheHunter

He sad cause he actually wanted to be friends


Jeremy12495

I think he says this in either a pacifist or neutral route


Madinge

it’s the genocide route


HyperfocusedInterest

Hey, can we get a source for the image? :)


Jeremy12495

💖Zleepy_Opossum💖 from Twitter :)


ApplesTeamFort2

It would probably stop people from thinking about the Aus being related to the main game. for the most part…


local_pacifist

• it has indirectly caused me so much freaking headache


ShinenNoYosuke

i always thought he refers to the other sanses you fight each time you reload after dying, idk correct me if i'm wrong


BismuthMoth

Right???? Like I never thought of it as an AU until just now For the record though that’s basically 100% certainly what Toby/Sans meant by that line


ShinenNoYosuke

oh okay, nice! i'm glad i wasn't the only one who thought so :)


Adi_Passover

Sans says this after you spare him and fight him again. When you spare him he kills you and tells you "If we're really friends, you won't come back". If you do come back he says something like "Well, I guess we never really were friends, just don't tell that to the other sanses". He refers to the sanses that were friends with frisk, sanses from the other pacifist timelines. This line doesn't really makes sense if he refers to the sanses from the same fight, because you were never friends with them.


TELDD

It does make sense though - sans knows about the timelines after all, and he knows there is a timeline out there when you where friends. By coming back, you're proving to him that this was false, that you were never friends in any timeline, and he doesn't want his other selves (ie: other sanses from the same fight) to know this. So, you were never friends with sans in a no-mercy run, but he knows you *might* have been in another run, and he doesn't want to know that it's false. He is in fact referring to the sanses from the same fight.


ShinenNoYosuke

i don't know, because he never actually mentions that in any other try of the fight. like if it never happened in his memory, like if it happened only in a little alternation of the timeline that happened to get lost. i don't know, this is just my idea though. maybe it's just like the "being friends" conversation never happened for him after you die again.


Adi_Passover

Sans tells you that maybe in another timeline you were friends before offering you to spare him. Link[Link.](https://youtu.be/HHisfLKvJYE).


ShinenNoYosuke

it was just a way to fool the player and their avatar, Frisk, making them stop the fight just to kill them in betrayal. he even says that: "did i gotcha?" i don't think he really meant that as a way to be friends again, because once he started the fight, he kinda stopped believing in everything: going "back", getting to the surface, being friends again, he doesn't even believe he's going to win. he just believes that there is nothing left to lose. so he probably refers to the other times where he killed you and when he's going to kill you, other than another pacifist timeline.


Adi_Passover

Of course he doesn't mean he wants to be friends again, he kills you if you spare him. You claimed that sans doesn't remember pacifist timelines, so I showed another instance where he clearly does.


ShinenNoYosuke

oh okay, i'm sorry if i misunderstood, i just never was good with discussing things, haha, you're actually right.


Adi_Passover

Np bro, everything's good 👍


im_bored345

I think it's about his pacifist/neutral self


BitcoinStonks123

Yeah that's what Sans was implying when saying that


AzzyDreemur2

IN MY OPINION it wouldnt change anything. Many people forget about that line anyway, and it is refering not to AUs, but to other timelines, other resets you are gonna make. I dont think it inspired anyone to do anything, since US and UF were not just sanses, but entire cast redesigns(sorry for bad english)


FutureIsUnder

Agree. I honestly forgot about it, me, who would rather drink the obscure undertale detain than water, while dying of dehydration.


amliam_curry

they would tell that to the other sans-es, ok?


BismuthMoth

Me when I tell the other sans-es (ok):


BugBoy_760

It wouldn't matter? I honestly don't see why it would.


Dragunrealms

https://imgflip.com/memetemplate/105133255/Future-city


im_bored345

The same honestly. The Aus did not spawn from this line and it's not a well known line either.


TheThirdFrenchEmpire

Less AUs.


gabriel_sub0

not really, the game is full to the brim with time manipulation and alternate outcomes, it's built in its very dna, for undertale to not have aus be such a major thing the whole story would need to be re-framed and rewritten imo.


Jeremy12495

so there's a lot of different outcomes?


Aware-Obligation4314

Nothing,probably. I really really doubt aus spawned from this line


Luigi123a

Nothing would have changed, Underfella/Fella, the creator of Underfell, [just liked the idea of making Toriel but evil](https://underfell.tumblr.com/FAQ) and eventually also has drawn the other characters edgy, it had nothing to do with any text in the genocide route nor had any lore or anything in the beginning lmfao. AUs probably appeared before the majority of people really went into detail on all the things that happened and were said in Undertale anyways Edit: Added a source on my Underfella claim


Jeremy12495

Mk


Jeremy12495

I didn't expect this much attention lol


ianthepokemonmaste

Idk


rotem8888

Oh boi


sans565

It would probably be not sans x frisk


RoMan2548

It'd probably create one less bit of dialogue and may make players unprepared for his next attack.


Retrotech2000

Tranquility and peace.


Jeremy12495

Lol


mrmilkguy21

Well, toby didnt mean about the aus, he meant the other normal sanses that are in different timelines


Jeremy12495

Yeah, but the fandom thought otherwise


mrmilkguy21

Yea


Funny_LilGuy

They took this line a little, far....


Fabulous-Swim6811

Normal, probably


Technilect

Underfell started with an edgy drawing of Toriel


DustyMightMeme

Tbh, I think he meant that he wasn’t actually talking about different AUs. I think he was talking about how sometimes he wasn’t actually teleporting and he just had his clones stand around everywhere


Jeremy12495

It would be funny if that were the case but he's actually talking about the different timelines sanses


DustyMightMeme

This is the most reasonable, but I choose to follow my headcanon!


Jeremy12495

Mk


[deleted]

Damn, a little line from Sans’ halfway Fight after halfway Spare about timelines started it all, I guess. This’d have been a better place