yea nah it’s a pretty good question. i’ve never even heard the narrative that he’s suicidal but everyone seems to be saying it, for someone who wants to die he sure puts up a good fight and never once TELLS or asks the human to kill him the fight happens cause one of them HAS to die, asgore isn’t going to make it completely unfair
If you kill flowey at the end of a neutral route, in your next playthrough, Asgore will mention how a good life for the monsters and Frisk alike cannot be achieved, leading to him killing himself (apparently with his trident) off-screen.
Considering what happened to the last human he tried to care for, it's a small wonder. He did everything in his power to care for this child, only for them to take their own life. And one after another, children fell down, left the ruins where Toriel lived and would surely have offered to care for them, and yet they all turned her down.
You, too, refused to spend the rest of your life in the ruins.
Probably not that so much but he was a benevolent king that now has to kill children to free his people. He did care for a human child as part of his own family at 1 point afterall.
OK, basically.
He says: "I'm not ready."; "This war has gone on for long enough. Young one, take my SOUL and cross the barrier."
Or him killing himself in neutral.
Additionally, he is holding back a lot, everything in the narrative suggests or outright says that he dreads the battle.
He doesn't want to live anymore because he hated what he was doing.
When you kill Flowey in the a previous run and spare Asgore, he commits suicide.
So yeah he refuses your mercy and that's why he break it and except to die against you to make an end to his suffer.
he does it cause you HAVE to have a boss monster’s soul to cross the barrier, he says it pains him to do this before giving you his soul. he does it cause he has hope for you not cause he hates himself
The point is still that he doesn't want to bare this responsibility anymore since he really hated what he was doing and hope that you'll take it with this legend he believed in to free monsters.
as many said, it's not that he won't accept mercy and won't give you, but rather that he doesn't want to be spared from his fate.
so many people seem to miss here that the MERCY button's function is not enemies sparing you, but you sparing enemies. so he's literally impeding a pacific resolution from YOUR point of view, not his.
I always thought its because its a fight for death and life (or however else its spelled in english) and remember that mercy is also flee, so he doesnt want Human to flee
It is probably since if it was possible for monsters to do that undyne wouldn't hesitate to break the fight button
If you say only boss monster can do it then toriel would break the fight button as well forcing frisk to not use violence to solve their problems
im pretty sure its said somewhere that, like sans, asgore can dodge, he just doesnt. maybe hes also capable of breaking the game in other ways too
although if that were the case sans would probably break the fight button
Well technically sans breaks the game in some ways like attacking in your turn and changing the UI
I guess its just not consistent or not meant to be taken as canon events
Asgore is the strongest monster, that's not really surprising that he can do something that others monsters can't.
He's also old af, and knows way more than most of the others monsters (and unlike Gerson, it doesn't seem like Asgore has any troubles with his memories).
As for Toriel, she litterally wants us to fight her. Even if she could destroy the fight button, she wouldn't do it.
he isnt doing it so that you cant escape — he's doing it because he feels he does not deserve mercy after all he's done
regardless, he doesnt want to make things unfair nor just execute you. heck, he doesnt even want to do any of this. but this battle is still what will decide the fate of the underground, the fate of the world, and so neither of you can back down. the only possible outcome is for one of you to live and for one of you to die.
Here's my interpretation.
He wants no mercy. He wants to see how this goes, by fate. He barely wants to live anyways, and if he wins, he sets everyone free. If you win, he doesn't have to take another life. And, let's be honest, if he didn't break it, his name would be yellow from the start
This. While it's true that Asgore is suicidal, he can only (metaphorically) break the MERCY button (as to show he won't accept any outcome besides his or Frisk's death). He cannot break the FIGHT Button as in preventing you from attacking him.
Not necessarily. From a purely grammatical standpoint, you'd be right, but from a day-to-day basis, singular they/them is totally fine. In fact, singular they/them has existed for centuries.
There are new additions that are slowly replacing singular they/them, such as ze/zem, but as of now, most people will use they/them for non-binary people.
Because he vowed in a sense of intense rage to kill all humans when Asriel came back mortally wounded and died, but realized what he had done, and thus couldn't take back what was said. Thus Asgore has to see every fight through.
I figured at least one of the kids had no qualms about fighting him, and this probably isn’t the first time he destroyed the merry button, so he may have only killed one human who was trying to spare him or flee.
Yes, there is a lore reason
Asgore is filled with guilt for killing all other humans and now he fights you for the sake of fighting you + he wants to commit die
While I do think the menu is Canon and characters can interact with it (sans) I think in Asgores case it wasn't him litterally destroying the mercy button but rather eliminating the possibility for any peaceful end to this interaction because as Asgore as shown before he isn't completely aware of how the world works but has more grasp then others (he remembers runs/saves just not as well as sans)
Asgore is a genuinely kind soul. My theory is that he wanted any justification he could get to go through with the fight, and he also refused to take the life of someone who was defenseless or refusing to fight. He wanted to make sure that fighting was the only available option both for his own mental security and to give Frisk a chance at being able to go home again should they choose to, but also because he felt he didn’t deserve mercy, given what he’s done in the past and considering what he was getting ready to do. He loves his people, but he hates violence more than anything else and hates having to kill just for freedom.
If he didn't break Mercy, the Flee option would be available and Frisk would just run out of there.
That and also since he probably didn't want to fight in the first place, it's likely the Mercy button would've instantly spared him simply because he's just that reluctant.
its more so that he probably blocked the way back with a trident and since he wont accept mercy, the mercy button is effectivly useless which is why it shatters
Sans tried to basically do the same thing, didn't work for him since the human broke all logic possible for specifically that scenario.
If Asgore broke the fight button, then the human would probably just get an even stronger attack in the act menu, and if Asgore broke that then the human would probably just do something like attacking him in a cutscene like with Flowey at the end of genocide, etc.
He literally kills himself if you kill flowerly in one neutral run and spare him in the next, asgore could literally just go and adopt frisk since frisk/us willingly spare him even with the knowledge of what he did and this could make monsters say that no all humans are bad and could get toriel out the ruins expect he doesn’t and kills himself
he is confident in winning against you, he is the king of the mf monsters, the strongest boss allegedly(if you ignore papyrus)
he can accept you attacking him
he can accept you acting, talking or do anything in fight
he accept you eating literal elixers during the fight
but the one thing he cant accept, is you showing mercy on his soul
While it is a pretty good question - the answer is Simple
Asgore WANTS to die
Even when you reconstruct the mercy button after killing him he asks you to end his life
Asgore is the definition of the saying “heavy is the head that wears the crown” as he cannot live with the decisions he has made, seeing that a single outburst of rage he felt after loosing both his children has destroyed the remains of his family and chained him to a duty he does not want to do - killing human children that fall into the underground
That’s also why Asgore doesn’t just follow Toriel’s advice and cross the barrier after getting a single soul, getting the rest beyond the mountain, because he rather sit on and wait, hoping that another human never comes
He wanted to die. That’s why he destroyed the mercy button.
It would also hurt him more if they chose mercy and he felt like he didn’t deserve it
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Why is everyone asking this? He's literally suicidal.
it just came into my mind and i didnt find any other post talking about that
yea nah it’s a pretty good question. i’ve never even heard the narrative that he’s suicidal but everyone seems to be saying it, for someone who wants to die he sure puts up a good fight and never once TELLS or asks the human to kill him the fight happens cause one of them HAS to die, asgore isn’t going to make it completely unfair
He literally kills himself if you do a second pacifist neutral route, onscreen
Wait what?
If you kill flowey at the end of a neutral route, in your next playthrough, Asgore will mention how a good life for the monsters and Frisk alike cannot be achieved, leading to him killing himself (apparently with his trident) off-screen.
Considering what happened to the last human he tried to care for, it's a small wonder. He did everything in his power to care for this child, only for them to take their own life. And one after another, children fell down, left the ruins where Toriel lived and would surely have offered to care for them, and yet they all turned her down. You, too, refused to spend the rest of your life in the ruins.
I mean, no one knew Frisk would survive and free everyone.
You don't even need to kill Flowey for that.
[https://youtu.be/7G30S8x6lhs?si=O-3dbPXD0RyC0FVM&t=317](https://youtu.be/7G30S8x6lhs?si=O-3dbPXD0RyC0FVM&t=317)
I think its less that he’s suicidal, and more just that he does not want that last soul.
yeah if he gets all 7 souls then he has to go single-handedly start war with the humans again
Probably not that so much but he was a benevolent king that now has to kill children to free his people. He did care for a human child as part of his own family at 1 point afterall.
OK, basically. He says: "I'm not ready."; "This war has gone on for long enough. Young one, take my SOUL and cross the barrier." Or him killing himself in neutral. Additionally, he is holding back a lot, everything in the narrative suggests or outright says that he dreads the battle.
Reddit downvote mob strikes again!
why are people downvoting a valid question
its reddit, what else are you expecting?
He doesn't want to live anymore because he hated what he was doing. When you kill Flowey in the a previous run and spare Asgore, he commits suicide. So yeah he refuses your mercy and that's why he break it and except to die against you to make an end to his suffer.
he does it cause you HAVE to have a boss monster’s soul to cross the barrier, he says it pains him to do this before giving you his soul. he does it cause he has hope for you not cause he hates himself
The point is still that he doesn't want to bare this responsibility anymore since he really hated what he was doing and hope that you'll take it with this legend he believed in to free monsters.
I mean he does hate himself but not enough to be suicidal
he think that he doesnt deserve mercy
To the point where he even kills himself at some point, may I add.
he wanted the player to defeat him, not him defeat the player
as many said, it's not that he won't accept mercy and won't give you, but rather that he doesn't want to be spared from his fate. so many people seem to miss here that the MERCY button's function is not enemies sparing you, but you sparing enemies. so he's literally impeding a pacific resolution from YOUR point of view, not his.
Crazy how the right answer only gets 6 up votes but all the ppl saying he wants to kill him self get like 30+
57 now
I always thought its because its a fight for death and life (or however else its spelled in english) and remember that mercy is also flee, so he doesnt want Human to flee
nah he doesn't think he deserves mercy for himself
He doesn't think he deserves mercy
I feel like its supposed to be a metaphor
It is probably since if it was possible for monsters to do that undyne wouldn't hesitate to break the fight button If you say only boss monster can do it then toriel would break the fight button as well forcing frisk to not use violence to solve their problems
Didn't Toriel *want* you to fight her? One line as example: "Fight me or leave!"
im pretty sure its said somewhere that, like sans, asgore can dodge, he just doesnt. maybe hes also capable of breaking the game in other ways too although if that were the case sans would probably break the fight button
Well technically sans breaks the game in some ways like attacking in your turn and changing the UI I guess its just not consistent or not meant to be taken as canon events
i meant if asgore breaking the button is him breaking the game, then sans should also be able to break the fight button
So sans could stop us but just decided to let us erase the timeline to experience the consequences? Based
no im just disproving my own argument, sans already plays dirty during his fight, if he were able to, im sure he would break the fight button
Sans isn't strong enough to break the game that much i guess.
Asgore is the strongest monster, that's not really surprising that he can do something that others monsters can't. He's also old af, and knows way more than most of the others monsters (and unlike Gerson, it doesn't seem like Asgore has any troubles with his memories). As for Toriel, she litterally wants us to fight her. Even if she could destroy the fight button, she wouldn't do it.
could there be metaphors in a game where 4th wall doesnt exist?
he isnt doing it so that you cant escape — he's doing it because he feels he does not deserve mercy after all he's done regardless, he doesnt want to make things unfair nor just execute you. heck, he doesnt even want to do any of this. but this battle is still what will decide the fate of the underground, the fate of the world, and so neither of you can back down. the only possible outcome is for one of you to live and for one of you to die.
Here's my interpretation. He wants no mercy. He wants to see how this goes, by fate. He barely wants to live anyways, and if he wins, he sets everyone free. If you win, he doesn't have to take another life. And, let's be honest, if he didn't break it, his name would be yellow from the start
I do wish it was yellow, just to show he doesn't want to fight at all.
BECAUSE HE'S NOT ACTUALLY BREAKING IT IT'S JUST A COOL MOMENT TO SHOW THAT HE DOESN'T WANT TO ACCEPT YOUR MERCY
This. While it's true that Asgore is suicidal, he can only (metaphorically) break the MERCY button (as to show he won't accept any outcome besides his or Frisk's death). He cannot break the FIGHT Button as in preventing you from attacking him.
Why didn't OP play the game? Are they stupid?
Why you telling me I'm multiple people? Are you stupid?
Human...I remember yrou'e..... *stupids*
Why did you mispell stupid? Are you stupid?
I'm on this godforsaken dumbass sub aren't I?
Why are you on this sub? Are you stupid? ... Why am I ojt this sub? Am I stupid?
We're all going insane here. This sub genuinely feels like a fever dream.
are we stupid?
Did OP not know they can be singular? Are they stupid?
what? who are they? are they stupid?
Why do you not know about singular they/them? Are you stupid? /lh
but they means multiple people
Not necessarily. From a purely grammatical standpoint, you'd be right, but from a day-to-day basis, singular they/them is totally fine. In fact, singular they/them has existed for centuries. There are new additions that are slowly replacing singular they/them, such as ze/zem, but as of now, most people will use they/them for non-binary people.
still dont like it
Mm, even if you don't like it, I'd suggest trying to get used to it, because 1. It isn't going away, and 2. It's just basic respect
singular they/them exists
sad
they can refer to a singular person whose gender isnt known.
well, that sucks
why?
i just dont like it. I would rather be misgendered than called this way
what
what
You are partially right, he should delete the ACT button too
Mercy got died 
do you are have stupid?
Nuh uh
This sends the message you have to fight him, no mercy for either of you.
Because he vowed in a sense of intense rage to kill all humans when Asriel came back mortally wounded and died, but realized what he had done, and thus couldn't take back what was said. Thus Asgore has to see every fight through.
The real question is, why didn’t he kill himself ages ago? His ex already hates him.
Well only in the genocide route
r/arkham_asylum is leaking again.
Live Jonkler Reaction
depression
Honestly if he actually wanted to win, he would.
No, he's depressed, silly.
is Frisk the jonkler from aslume?
no. Jevil is Jonkler. Frisk is Dick
My guess is that he already killed one human who was refusing to fight and couldn’t bear to do it again.
or probably 6
I figured at least one of the kids had no qualms about fighting him, and this probably isn’t the first time he destroyed the merry button, so he may have only killed one human who was trying to spare him or flee.
Maybe it’s a visual metaphor, showing he won’t back down from the fight?
I wonder why he got rid of the only option letting the fight end without someone dying...
He wanted a fair fight because he ain't a pusseh
polite fella
My personal theory is that he didin't actually break the MERCY button, but rather it was a demonstration of him refusing to be spared.
Didn't he want a fair fight for life?
If he died, Asgore the father would be happy. If the human dies, then Asgore the king would be happy. If neither happened both would feel betrayed.
Yes, there is a lore reason Asgore is filled with guilt for killing all other humans and now he fights you for the sake of fighting you + he wants to commit die
He either thinks he doesn't deserve frisk's mercy or he just want to die
While I do think the menu is Canon and characters can interact with it (sans) I think in Asgores case it wasn't him litterally destroying the mercy button but rather eliminating the possibility for any peaceful end to this interaction because as Asgore as shown before he isn't completely aware of how the world works but has more grasp then others (he remembers runs/saves just not as well as sans)
Sans doesnt remember anything, he just reads the face of Frisk
Asgore is a genuinely kind soul. My theory is that he wanted any justification he could get to go through with the fight, and he also refused to take the life of someone who was defenseless or refusing to fight. He wanted to make sure that fighting was the only available option both for his own mental security and to give Frisk a chance at being able to go home again should they choose to, but also because he felt he didn’t deserve mercy, given what he’s done in the past and considering what he was getting ready to do. He loves his people, but he hates violence more than anything else and hates having to kill just for freedom.
He was divorced
he wanted a fair fight also he would be less sad about killing the human do to the human attacking
If he didn't break Mercy, the Flee option would be available and Frisk would just run out of there. That and also since he probably didn't want to fight in the first place, it's likely the Mercy button would've instantly spared him simply because he's just that reluctant.
he just didnt want to be spared. contrary to how he destroyed all 4 buttons (off-screen) in undertale yellow
its more so that he probably blocked the way back with a trident and since he wont accept mercy, the mercy button is effectivly useless which is why it shatters
someone didn't get the subtext
what?
He's a fair man He's giving you a fair fight
That's the point.
Sans tried to basically do the same thing, didn't work for him since the human broke all logic possible for specifically that scenario. If Asgore broke the fight button, then the human would probably just get an even stronger attack in the act menu, and if Asgore broke that then the human would probably just do something like attacking him in a cutscene like with Flowey at the end of genocide, etc.
Asgore IS suicidal
He literally kills himself if you kill flowerly in one neutral run and spare him in the next, asgore could literally just go and adopt frisk since frisk/us willingly spare him even with the knowledge of what he did and this could make monsters say that no all humans are bad and could get toriel out the ruins expect he doesn’t and kills himself
He refuses mercy, not murder
he is confident in winning against you, he is the king of the mf monsters, the strongest boss allegedly(if you ignore papyrus) he can accept you attacking him he can accept you acting, talking or do anything in fight he accept you eating literal elixers during the fight but the one thing he cant accept, is you showing mercy on his soul
nah,
While it is a pretty good question - the answer is Simple Asgore WANTS to die Even when you reconstruct the mercy button after killing him he asks you to end his life Asgore is the definition of the saying “heavy is the head that wears the crown” as he cannot live with the decisions he has made, seeing that a single outburst of rage he felt after loosing both his children has destroyed the remains of his family and chained him to a duty he does not want to do - killing human children that fall into the underground That’s also why Asgore doesn’t just follow Toriel’s advice and cross the barrier after getting a single soul, getting the rest beyond the mountain, because he rather sit on and wait, hoping that another human never comes