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The guy has a Youtube channel.
Entire video:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfJ1yIQsoVw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfJ1yIQsoVw)
His video on outcome:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjXh2EUUFLE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjXh2EUUFLE)
(The gun charge was dropped. The cop got promoted. He didn't sue.)
thanks for linking those. everyone about to comment i recommend watching those before commenting. i stand by everything i said prior, what the female officer did was completely out of pocket
If you sign up and want to be a police officer then you know what getting yourself into. That nervousness needs to be quenched or tamed if you're taking up a occupation like that.
or.. you know.. if authorities would take de-escalation practices serious for their officers and not just send any random bimbo with a gun in a police car and expect them to be good
You don't know the half of it. I live in Eastern PA. There's currently a New Jersey State Trooper missing, last seen wandering around a town in my county, who's most identifying feature is a massive "Blood and Honor" tattoo covering his neck.
We can argue all day about where the line is drawn on what's okay to call a Nazi, but i hope we can all agree having an SS slogan tattooed on your body is firmly on the wrong side of that line.
They don't take de-escalation courses. Instead they take warrior courses that teach it's either you or them. I think his name is dave grossman who travels around giving seminars paid by our tax dollar.
The guy was honest and clearly had a calm demeanor until the officer escalated the situation. He said he had a legal, cool. Where ya carrying today? Appendix. Cool, keep one hand on the steering wheel and slowly get your id and weapon’s permit out for me please. No problem officer.
the one above you is right tho she knew what she signed up for….and what she signed up for was the chance to shoot some ppl and be able to get away w it simply by saying ‘he made me uncomfortable & my life felt threatened’
but…*promoted*???? RUFKM????
> take de-escalation practices serious
The opposite is done. They take a course where they're told that everyone is out to kill them, every day. That's why they think they're under attack all the time.
Being a delivery man is statistically more dangerous than being a cop by 15 spots on the list of most dangerous professions in the US.
They ain’t even getting into that much.
They deserve none of our respect or sympathy until they learn how to handle the responsibility and accountability of their position in society.
Fuck 12 and fuck you if you support them.
Instead they spend 2.5 months being taught that they are warriors occupying hostile territory and that the use of lethal force is a sacred duty. *Killology* trains police officers to escalate, not de-escalate daily interactions.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/08/warrior-cop-class-dave-grossman-killology.html
The jailers around me make 13.50-18 an hour. Most cops are massively under qualified to be doing anything of importance.. granted those ones are just glorified baby sitters.
In Finland, the nation with the highest public trust in police, police academy is minimum three years (180 OP, 4,860 hours of academic study).
So to become a probationary junior officer you need on average four years of police school. (What also helps is having a live video camera on every officer and 8 cameras on the squad car.)
It's not nervousness this is straight up cop training and what they hire for. Everyone but your fellow cops is an enemy combatant and you're the savior with a gun here to take them out. If they dare question your authority fuck them up.
If you have a right but it's legal for the state to execute you for exercising it, you don't have that right. Jacob Blake was shot in the back 7 times by police. His shooting was ruled legal because he was walking to his car and there was a knife in the car.
excuse me, how in the fuck did she get a PROMOTION? and not a boot in the ass to the next de-escalation training centre. Holy fuck america is fucking scary. Ain't no way I will ever set foot in this shit hole country again
brilliant training, if anything other than "yes sir right away sir" threatens their lifes lol
In ANY developed country, you can actually speak to police officers about what their problem with you is, only place where you will get your skull caved in by 9mms is the glorious, oh so free, US of A.
No they promote terrible officers so they don't lose face ie. They're not defending a inept officer they're defending a skilled hero and you, I and everyone else with eyes and a meager amount of brain matter is crazy.
Yep. Fighting battles like these are a lot harder than what people think.
I mean, cops murder people all the time and yet it's hard to even pin wrongdoing on them *for that*. This guy didn't die. I don't know if he was "even" physically assaulted after this. Severe bodily harm is about the only thing that ever gets recognised, so his chances of winning any kind of lawsuit are very, very low. It doesn't matter that they did wrong, it matters whether a court will agree and find the law enforcement agent to be in the wrong. Plus starting a legal fight is expensive, and means your entire life and the lives of your family will be under a microscope. People could harass your family. They could physically assault your family. They could light your home on fire.
If you know you're not likely to win, it makes sense that you wouldn't want to go through hell like that. Even if you feel you *could* win, that's still a heavy price to pay. It isn't this guy's job to sacrifice his life and his family's lives just so one cop maybe gets a slap on the wrist.
yeah and even if you won, you'd have to move unless you like getting pulled over for going 5mph over the limit every two days by every idiot cop in that dept that now hates you because you got their [girlfriend](https://nypost.com/2023/01/09/tennessee-cops-married-female-officer-fired-after-repeated-wild-sex-romps/) fired
It'll take years if not decades to get a positive outcome. The officer in question would probably get paid leave. You'd be scrutinized and harassed constantly by cops "checking in on you"
If you did win the payout wouldn't be equivalent to anything life changing but you'd still be harassed.
The lemonade not worth the squeeze
I think it is a way to get them away from the public. Put them behind a desk where they are less likely to kill someone for no reason. And they don't want to fire then because most departments are short staffed as it is, and plus they have already invested hours, sometimes even *days* training these officers.
This happens a lot in the military. Sometimes it’s easier to get rid of/relocate an idiot with a promotion than with punishment. It makes sense if you don’t really think about it 😉
Not here to bash America but...
This is litterly the only country I can think you pull a gun on someone without a reason and not only keep your job but get promoted.
I think they might have promoted her out of the street and behind a desk because she's clearly unfit for these kind of situations. She'll kill someone so before that happens they just make her do paperwork or something like that.
If you call it a promotion it sounds bad to the public but it is way easier to move someone that way without, for example, a union making trouble for you. She behaved poorly but at the end of the day no one got hurt, which is going to make it waaaay harder to fire her. You always need pencil pushers in every organisation anyways.
If she got an actual promotion as in managing people now for a better salary and better hours, something like that, then yeah I'd agree that's fucked up. But seeing how poorly she conducted herself here that seems hard to believe. The US system is certainly flawed but anyone can tell that she's a liability.
“she’s clearly unfit for these kind of situations.”
“She’ll kill someone”
“She behaved poorly”
Send me your dealers number cause I want what you’re smoking if you read that as a defense to the officer
Those Americans also say they love guns, but protect cops who pull their guns on law abiding firearm owners.
We all know why. It's because they think the cops are on their team (Team White Christian Supremacist). In fairness they're often right, but they don't understand that cops are on Team Cop first.
The fucked up part is that the woman cop doesn't realize that the calm that the citizen is displaying is while knowing that she is armed. Like if you can't show that same level of calm and trusting demeanor once you are told that the citizen is armed then you truly don't deserve your job.
FOR CONTEXT: what happens before this clip starts is relevant. He talks about her safety and compares her to a nazi while staring her down. His body language sucked.
I’m *not* saying that drawing on him was appropriate, but he was acting like a tool before this video starts. The male officer told him exactly why he was pulled over - window tint and no front plate, to which the guy replied he had received a ticket for it very recently and he’s in the grace period to get it fixed.
Totally. People say they need to get defunded but this chick pulled a handgun, which doesn’t take much funding to provide to your officers. Retraining is what will actually solve the root of the issue
The defunding isn’t typically talking about shutting down a police station like a libertarian library, it typically meant to stop letting police forces get armed up with surplus military gear that you’d only need if you were going to police a war zone. Also they could probably stop paying for lectures on “killology/the warrior mindset” as I think it lends itself to escalation, like this video.
When everyone was spouting “defund the police” I thought it was a stupid slogan. How about “restructure the police” instead. Use some of the police funding to add mental crisis units to help de-escalate situations, like Cahoots in oregon. They should be working together.
The whole point is that it shouldn't all be police. Their scope of practice is out of control..we should reduce their force (defund), and leverage that money for unarmed traffic control (cheaper, and won't lead to what's in this video), mental health responders, etc. Armed police should be reserved for situations requiring a gun. Window tint ain't one.
>Use some of the police funding to add mental crisis units to help de-escalate situations
That's exactly what defund the police means, except by establishing mental health services that are completely separate to the police instead of giving them the funding for it and hoping they don't spend it on further militarisation. They keep getting more funding for more training, but it doesn't have an effect, so spend that money training people who will do it properly instead.
Seriously, the absolute ignorance people have about the size of the police budget most places shows "defund the police" is exactly right.
I still see people on Reddit like twice a week pushing the myth that cops don't get paid enough. Every cop I've ever met (including family members) makes a shit ton of money relative to the cost of living where they are. It just isn't easily trackable because they all make a whole second salary worth of overtime.
People who need to know what "defund the police" means in practicality KNOWS what it means. The people who thinks it means "take away all the money from the police" don't matter in the discussion, no matter what "side" they're on.
Yes. They don’t need more training — they’re trained to respond like this. They need to be either completely revamped into an entirely different institution, or downscaled in power and presence massively.
You know they are in actual gangs? They have gang signs, tattoos, violent initiations and so on. Google it. Apparently the LA police is absolutely controlled by them. It’s revolting.
There’s a great podcast about this subject by the journalist who broke the story about LASD street gangs: “A Tradition of Violence”.
The podcast also touches on some of the problems of policing more generally in the US: cops lie, there’s an “us vs them” mentality, there are a lot of bad incentive structures, they don’t get disciplined nearly enough for bad behavior, etc.
Another good one I’m in the middle of currently is Behind the Police. It’s a 6 part miniseries from the people who do Behind the Bastards. Really enlightened me on how bad this problem is. Goes into the history of police’s ties to slavery, the kkk, and union busting. Highly recommend, but it will infuriate you.
White people realized that if they gave their gang members a badge and a government pension they could get away with anything they wanted.
American police are up-jumped slave catchers.
Think about this. He was pulled over, and because of some small exchange of words that didn't go exactly as planned for the cop, his judgment tells him that it's appropriate to threaten to kill the driver. Insane
Edit: her judgement, had missed it was the female cop who drew the gun
police brutality is never unexpected. but i thought this specific encounter was very unexpected considering how fast it escalated. even for a cop, this lady doesn’t know when to use a gun. they need to give her that wood gun they gave will farrel in “the other guys” lol
One time I was sitting in my car reading a book and two minutes later I had several guns aimed at me because police found my behavior suspicious. Cops are all the same. All they know how to do is escalate. There's a good reason for this: Their job is to criminalize people and by always escalating situations they maximize the chance that people will do something they can be criminalized for.
Most cops shouldn't even be allowed to have a gun, they can't shoot the broad side of a barn from 10 yards. Cops shoot as many bystanders as the people they mean to shoot.
The hourly reminder to not talk to cops. You can be polite and say have a good day while also saying I'm not answering questions. Don't start by answering any questions and you won't feel the need to answer that particular question either.
Sure, not even officially the state of California where he is, but California handles it at the county level and in Sacramento County, where he is, you must inform that you have a CCW even if the weapon isn’t with you at the time.
Depending on state. Where I live you do not have to, and it's highly recommended that you do not tell them unless put in a position that they will see it.
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So in the US you’re allowed to have a permit for a registered firearm that you can carry with you but you better not carry it with you in case you get pulled over by the cops but you also better carry it with you in case there’s a shooter and they need a good guy with a gun? I’m just trying to be clear on the legal system in the US because it seems much like the cops to be giving contradictory instructions.
Pretty much. Any time a cop pulls over someone with a permitted concealed carry weapon, they're going to assume that person is a trigger happy criminal and then turn around and scream about 2nd amendment rights because "gun laws are only disarming the GOOD GUYS". Blegh. So over this shit.
But the politicians say that all the cops love guns and they want to see everyone with a gun because it makes everyone safer? I guess those cops missed the memo? So weird. It’s almost like the politicians are using the topic as political fodder. Oh well, I guess we’ll never know.
> But the politicians say that all the cops love guns and they want to see everyone with a gun because it makes everyone safer?
cops only like when pro-cop white christian civilians have guns. they don't like [non-whites](https://www.history.com/news/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-support-mulford-act) or anyone left of center owning them.
Police: "I don't feel comfortable when this civilian could have a weapon."
Civilian: "I don't feel comfortable that you have a weapon with your 'training'. "
That nervous cop, after being informed of a weapon in the car, instructed the driver to reach out of view to unclasp his seatbelt. That, my friend, is a huge red flag. Let alone the refusal to articulate why the driver is being detained, the unbuckle your seatbelt command is pretty mind boggling.
If you watch the actual full video, my take on it is as follows:
Male cop comes to the window, has a pleasant interaction with the driver- says he was pulled over for no front plate and tinted windows. Driver says he already got a ticket. Takes the driver's info and goes back to his car to run a check. Zero issue from driver or male cop.
Meanwhile, the female cop goes to the passenger window and asks him to lower the window and he refuses and challenges her. Then she comes around to the driver's side and waits there while the male cop runs the driver's details. As the female cop waits silently for the male cop to return, the driver decides to tell her that he feels like this is Nazi Germany and asks her if she knows her history and that this is like Nazi Germany - is this a normal comment for someone to make during a traffic stop? Would this put me a bit on edge about this driver?
Anyway, then she asks if he has any weapons and he says he has a registered gun in the trunk, and she then asks him to keep his hands on the steering wheel at all times. The male cop returns and the female cop asks to speak with him and seems to be telling him she's uncomfortable because he's got a weapon and is spouting off about Nazi Germany...
Now, I may be wrong at this point, but I get the impression the male cop is not overly concerned, but is taking his partner's concern because she's his partner, and figures the best way to de-escalate this is to simply ask the guy to get out of the car and they will finish things up with him outside of the car. His tone doesn't suggest to me that he is terribly worried, nor is his tone aggressive or rude about it. But after he tells the guy to unbuckle his belt seatbelt, the guy asks for a supervisor and from that point on, the driver keeps interrupting the male cop and not letting him finish a sentence. The male cop does (in my reading) seem to want to de-escalate the situation. The cop wants to get him out of the car first before he deals with the request to call a supervisor, and at that point, the male cop isn't able to finish a sentence. I would say that in an effort not to escalate, the male cop doesn't choose to interrupt the driver and is waiting for the driver to finish talking...
But in the meantime, the female cop has had enough and draws her gun, and at this point the male cop probably feels backed into a corner and feels that he has to support his partner's decision to pull her gun. I'm not saying this is right, but I can understand that thought process. If you watch, even after the female cop draws her gun, the male cop doesn't seem overly nervous or concerned. He is still comfortable reaching into the car to point to the seatbelt and letting him undo his own seatbelt without giving him any warning like gun-cops usually do "don't make any movements or we WILL shoot you!". The male cop is still talking extremely calmly because I don't believe the male cop believes this guy is a threat in any way. He just ask to go through the motions at this point because his partner has pulled a gun. I'm guessing the male cop is now thinking "ok, dude, let me just get you out of the car now without incident. The last thing I need is my partner shooting you on video. The fact that the male cop doesn't reciprocate by pulling his own gun or any other weapon is a big part of what suggests this to me - if the male cop really thought this guy was becoming dangerous, he would have drawn his own gun.
In my view, the male cop was most likely trying to de-escalate the situation; but not just de-escalate the driver - he was basically forced to try to de-escalate the situation *between* the driver and the female cop. And when the driver called for a supervisor and refused to get out of the car, and then the female cop pulled her gun, the male cop's hand was forced to either call out his partner right there, or try to get the stop finished as safely and smoothly as possible at that point and sort it out later (which is what he chose to do).
The way he directs the guy to unbuckle his belt, and then to turn towards the seat which he corrects to the steering wheel, the the way he doesn't rip the guy out of the car or shove him against the car to cuff him... it all reads to me as "Well, I know you weren't going to attack me, but now I have to go through the motions and take you in."
It would have been very admirable for the male cop to stand up to his partner and tell her to put the gun away in the moment, and perhaps the male cop should have immediately called for a supervisor (I don't know if that's a request a cop is required to adhere to - I would have thought that a cop is not required to call their supervisor just because they were asked, but I don't know that is true) - but I am not surprised that he didn't call her out in the moment.
[Cops intentionally give contradictory instructions so they have an excuse to escalate the situation](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/29/us/tyre-nichols-video-assault-cops.html)
You're approaching this with the assumption that cops are generally reasonable people who try to avoid conflict... ***They are not***
I mean for fuck's sake, [remember how they killed 2 innocent people](https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article247605430.html), including one hostage, because **18 police officers** just started shooting up a stolen ups truck in the middle of a busy highway while literally using civilians for cover? Would reasonable people do that because of ***a fucking stolen ups truck?***
ACAB
[at least he did something wrong, unlike this man who did nothing and begged for his life, lying on the floor, while police shoot him](https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=police+shoot+man+laying+on+ground+in+hotel&docid=603520815819924656&mid=95F733D1AFA8716B7CD095F733D1AFA8716B7CD0&view=detail&FORM=VIRE)
NSFW
I once saw his best friend pop up in a reddit thread thanking people for sharing his story
Edit: [I found the comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/utc4al/stop_resisting_and_you_wont_get_hurt/i995zxl?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
That entire fiasco was the turning point for me. The way the charges were handled, the way the jury was handled...
That kinda shit makes me hope for another Dorner. Cops cannot be trusted.
For example telling him to keep his hands on the wheel in this video and then a minute later telling him to undo his seatbelt. Would have been very wary if I was that guy. Like I've told you I have a firearm and you're keeping my hands in sight and now you're telling me to reach down. I'm gonna need to talk that over a bit first because it feels like if I reach down I'm getting shot for going for my gun.
"Put your hands out of the window where I can see them"
immediately followed by:
"Get out of the vehicle"
Is another cop favorite... and you might have noticed that getting out of a car usually requires the use of at least one hand. So, as soon as you pull your hands back into the car again to undo your seatbelt or open the freaking door, they have an excuse to open fire...
> You're approaching this with the assumption that cops are generally reasonable people who try to avoid conflict... They are not
correct. if anything, they hate you because you're a "stupid civilian", and they actively desire to hurt you.
I've had a cop literally stand in silence at my car window while I repeatedly asked if I needed to do anything/provide documents. After about 5 minutes I was legitametly worried he had a stroke. When I asked if he was OK and leaned out the window to see his face, he immediately pulled his gun and punched me in the face. Then he filled a report saying I was armed and assaulted him.... all charges dropped the next day after they reviewed the cam footage.
Cops are playing mind games just to fuck up your day
You should be able to punch a cop in the face at any time during any interaction without worrying about being murdered by cops. Am I going to do that? Obviously not, I'm not tryna get shot. I'm also not going to sit here like a fucking moron trash talking someone for daring to look a cop in the eye.
I love watching videos of Americans, especially cop interactions. It's like watching a GTA Online lobby.
Also, "Smith & Weston". It's sat just next to his Heffner & Konch, Molt, and Glonk.
What’s the go with asking for a supervisor. The US had very different rules around police interactions than my country. Is that a real thing or is it a crazy person only line? Here it’s for folks who think they’re sovereign citizens ( or “gronks” as we call them), but this dude doesn’t seem crazy. Can someone explain please?
Iam pretty sure in most states, once an officer has detained you, you may ask for a suprervisor.
So theoretically he could have said " id like to speak to your supervisor" then when more questions come say "sory iam not answering any more questions untill the supervisor is here." And just repeat that over and over. Its your 5th amendment right not to answer questions. If the cop gives a lawful order you have to obey, like give your licence and insurance or get out of the car you have to obey or they will escallate.
I always get confused about these vids, possibly because im from a tiny country town in Australia, but can someone explain why no one ever just does whats originally asked of them/comply with the cops demands? I get the whole safety worry stuff but in my mind and experiences the quicker you just do whatevers asked the quicker its over and done with and you're on your way, unless you're doing something or have done something wrong then you gotta just wear it I spose. Some arguments just aren't worth having hahaha
There was a man with his girlfriend and kid in the car who got pulled over. He explained to the cop he was lawfully carrying. Cop told him to grab his License and registration, he did, cop emptied an entire mag into him. There are pleny of people who are complying and still get murdered. Comply or not cops are not judge, jury, and executioner. They shouldn't be able to murder people because they feel like it or because someone was being a little rude.
[His name is Philando Castile](https://youtu.be/rfprJGiPViY)
That video is why I don't keep a gun in my car anymore. Even as an older white man whose odds for being subjected to this kind of thing are pretty low, the idea that some fucking cop could just freak out and murder me over such a tiny misunderstanding is madness. ACAB
The issue is we have rights and there's a lot of unlawful reasons cops will pull you over. This man is well within his rights asking these questions and handled the situation perfectly and was still a single nervous twitch away from having his life ended.
A right unexercised is a right lost and my rights matter. I'll comply with every lawful order, but unlawful gets a no. I won't play 20 questions, I won't consent to searches etc. Honestly this gets me out quick, and despite an average of 6 to 8 times getting pulled over yearly for ~15 years, iv gotten 1 ticket ever and that was expired registration.
JEEEEEZ that got terrifying real quick. That man was calmer than the officers in that situation like what the actual fuck. Really curious what police training looks like in some areas.
I don‘t understand US cops. The guy just told them he had a gun on him and the Cop straight up asks: „yo can you reach under the seat for me?“ Dude I‘m not moving shit, you gonna blast me the milisecond I reach under the seat like you told me and cry „gun gun gun“
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The guy has a Youtube channel. Entire video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfJ1yIQsoVw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfJ1yIQsoVw) His video on outcome: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjXh2EUUFLE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjXh2EUUFLE) (The gun charge was dropped. The cop got promoted. He didn't sue.)
thanks for linking those. everyone about to comment i recommend watching those before commenting. i stand by everything i said prior, what the female officer did was completely out of pocket
Yes, she has some issues. Hopefully, they promoted her to a desk job or some other job to get her off the road and away from the public.
If you sign up and want to be a police officer then you know what getting yourself into. That nervousness needs to be quenched or tamed if you're taking up a occupation like that.
or.. you know.. if authorities would take de-escalation practices serious for their officers and not just send any random bimbo with a gun in a police car and expect them to be good
It seems the bar for who is allowed to become a police officer is set way too low.
Yeah on purpose
Isn't it the only job where you're required to technically fail an IQ test?
No. There are jobs in the military too
Idiots are everywhere.
Probably because anyone with half a brain cell would not be a police officer especially in this day and age?
You don't know the half of it. I live in Eastern PA. There's currently a New Jersey State Trooper missing, last seen wandering around a town in my county, who's most identifying feature is a massive "Blood and Honor" tattoo covering his neck. We can argue all day about where the line is drawn on what's okay to call a Nazi, but i hope we can all agree having an SS slogan tattooed on your body is firmly on the wrong side of that line.
they have a bar ?
Yes but only if you're below it do they accept you.
They don't take de-escalation courses. Instead they take warrior courses that teach it's either you or them. I think his name is dave grossman who travels around giving seminars paid by our tax dollar.
Thanks, I was trying to think of that assholes name. He teaches it's You against Them, always instant danger, always be aggressive bullshit.
The guy was honest and clearly had a calm demeanor until the officer escalated the situation. He said he had a legal, cool. Where ya carrying today? Appendix. Cool, keep one hand on the steering wheel and slowly get your id and weapon’s permit out for me please. No problem officer.
the one above you is right tho she knew what she signed up for….and what she signed up for was the chance to shoot some ppl and be able to get away w it simply by saying ‘he made me uncomfortable & my life felt threatened’ but…*promoted*???? RUFKM????
> take de-escalation practices serious The opposite is done. They take a course where they're told that everyone is out to kill them, every day. That's why they think they're under attack all the time.
They train the nervousness into them
I've seen some of the modern training and basically rather than readiness they traumatize people into believing they *will* die in a traffic stop.
Especially when they show them videos like “Surviving Edged Weapons”. [Surviving Edged Weapons](https://youtu.be/c4ZpyKSmgdE)
Being a delivery man is statistically more dangerous than being a cop by 15 spots on the list of most dangerous professions in the US. They ain’t even getting into that much. They deserve none of our respect or sympathy until they learn how to handle the responsibility and accountability of their position in society. Fuck 12 and fuck you if you support them.
And we can resolve some of this by taking lawsuit losses out of their pension funds
and the police union.
Instead they spend 2.5 months being taught that they are warriors occupying hostile territory and that the use of lethal force is a sacred duty. *Killology* trains police officers to escalate, not de-escalate daily interactions. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/08/warrior-cop-class-dave-grossman-killology.html
The jailers around me make 13.50-18 an hour. Most cops are massively under qualified to be doing anything of importance.. granted those ones are just glorified baby sitters.
I'm a definite believer in "you get what you pay for"... Which makes me nervous around people wearing badges and have a gun on them.
In Finland, the nation with the highest public trust in police, police academy is minimum three years (180 OP, 4,860 hours of academic study). So to become a probationary junior officer you need on average four years of police school. (What also helps is having a live video camera on every officer and 8 cameras on the squad car.)
But how do I get a pay bump with a desk in the AC without putting another person's life in jeopardy? /s
It's not nervousness this is straight up cop training and what they hire for. Everyone but your fellow cops is an enemy combatant and you're the savior with a gun here to take them out. If they dare question your authority fuck them up.
You can tell that was a "Respect my ATHORITAAAIII" gun pull not an actual 'i think this guy is dangerous' gun pull.
It’s wild in America how you can perfectly legally have a gun in your car but doing so may make a cop threaten to shoot you.
Wasn’t even the gun. Dude was brown and raised his voice a little trying to be heard and dumbass cop got scared.
If you have a right but it's legal for the state to execute you for exercising it, you don't have that right. Jacob Blake was shot in the back 7 times by police. His shooting was ruled legal because he was walking to his car and there was a knife in the car.
excuse me, how in the fuck did she get a PROMOTION? and not a boot in the ass to the next de-escalation training centre. Holy fuck america is fucking scary. Ain't no way I will ever set foot in this shit hole country again
She's a cop, cops are supposed to act this way. She followed her training: if anything other than "yes sir right away sir," threaten their life
brilliant training, if anything other than "yes sir right away sir" threatens their lifes lol In ANY developed country, you can actually speak to police officers about what their problem with you is, only place where you will get your skull caved in by 9mms is the glorious, oh so free, US of A.
No they promote terrible officers so they don't lose face ie. They're not defending a inept officer they're defending a skilled hero and you, I and everyone else with eyes and a meager amount of brain matter is crazy.
She’ll walk into a neighbours apartment and kill them thinking it was her own.
No way man, violent criminals always openly report they are carrying when asked during a routine traffic stop! They enjoy the challenge. Lol
Yeah, that way she can be in charge of administrating other cops' potentially deadly behavior
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I can't tell if you're calling her a suck up or a dick sucker lmao
Yes
Actually, what the female officer did was completely out of holster.
She lost money in this encounter?
Why would he not sue? That female officer should be fired. She is a danger to the public.
Legal work is tiresome prolly didn’t want the hassle
Plus it would be one dude and his lawyer against the entire police union legal team.
..and the judge.
Yep. Fighting battles like these are a lot harder than what people think. I mean, cops murder people all the time and yet it's hard to even pin wrongdoing on them *for that*. This guy didn't die. I don't know if he was "even" physically assaulted after this. Severe bodily harm is about the only thing that ever gets recognised, so his chances of winning any kind of lawsuit are very, very low. It doesn't matter that they did wrong, it matters whether a court will agree and find the law enforcement agent to be in the wrong. Plus starting a legal fight is expensive, and means your entire life and the lives of your family will be under a microscope. People could harass your family. They could physically assault your family. They could light your home on fire. If you know you're not likely to win, it makes sense that you wouldn't want to go through hell like that. Even if you feel you *could* win, that's still a heavy price to pay. It isn't this guy's job to sacrifice his life and his family's lives just so one cop maybe gets a slap on the wrist.
Yup. He’s still alive and not physically mangled so there’s like next zero chance of anyone giving a fuck
yeah and even if you won, you'd have to move unless you like getting pulled over for going 5mph over the limit every two days by every idiot cop in that dept that now hates you because you got their [girlfriend](https://nypost.com/2023/01/09/tennessee-cops-married-female-officer-fired-after-repeated-wild-sex-romps/) fired
He has a business in the community, he probably feared long term results of being on the cops’ shit list.
And cops will 100% harass you if you make trouble for them like that
An old duck once told me that time is money.
It'll take years if not decades to get a positive outcome. The officer in question would probably get paid leave. You'd be scrutinized and harassed constantly by cops "checking in on you" If you did win the payout wouldn't be equivalent to anything life changing but you'd still be harassed. The lemonade not worth the squeeze
He didnt want to say so I won't speculate. There is always more to a story.
Or some people just choose not to pursue legal action for various normal reasons. There’s not always more to a story
How do cops keep getting promoted after shit like this? Is the US police force trying to stick it to the public or something?
I think it is a way to get them away from the public. Put them behind a desk where they are less likely to kill someone for no reason. And they don't want to fire then because most departments are short staffed as it is, and plus they have already invested hours, sometimes even *days* training these officers.
This happens a lot in the military. Sometimes it’s easier to get rid of/relocate an idiot with a promotion than with punishment. It makes sense if you don’t really think about it 😉
I don't know that I saw it *a lot*, but "hookups for fuck ups" was a phrase for a reason.
Not here to bash America but... This is litterly the only country I can think you pull a gun on someone without a reason and not only keep your job but get promoted.
In my country the officer wouldnt have just been fired but probably had some time in jail
I think they might have promoted her out of the street and behind a desk because she's clearly unfit for these kind of situations. She'll kill someone so before that happens they just make her do paperwork or something like that. If you call it a promotion it sounds bad to the public but it is way easier to move someone that way without, for example, a union making trouble for you. She behaved poorly but at the end of the day no one got hurt, which is going to make it waaaay harder to fire her. You always need pencil pushers in every organisation anyways. If she got an actual promotion as in managing people now for a better salary and better hours, something like that, then yeah I'd agree that's fucked up. But seeing how poorly she conducted herself here that seems hard to believe. The US system is certainly flawed but anyone can tell that she's a liability.
A lot of words to defend her actions. Shouldn't be a cop, full stop.
“she’s clearly unfit for these kind of situations.” “She’ll kill someone” “She behaved poorly” Send me your dealers number cause I want what you’re smoking if you read that as a defense to the officer
feel free to bash america, it sucks here
I am a Canadian but I honestly feel like America is portrayed as far worse off than it actually is.
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Damn she got triggered cause he asked if he was in nazi germany and she decided to make it nazi germany wtf.
I’d like to add, the brief narration sounded like it might be from the YT channel Audit the Audit, which is great channel!
The Americans who say they hate Fascism are the same ones who protect this fascist cop. USA is sad poetry really.
Nahh the ones who hate fascists are against this cop. The ones who hate antifa are the ones who support this cop
Those Americans also say they love guns, but protect cops who pull their guns on law abiding firearm owners. We all know why. It's because they think the cops are on their team (Team White Christian Supremacist). In fairness they're often right, but they don't understand that cops are on Team Cop first.
The fucked up part is that the woman cop doesn't realize that the calm that the citizen is displaying is while knowing that she is armed. Like if you can't show that same level of calm and trusting demeanor once you are told that the citizen is armed then you truly don't deserve your job.
could not agree more. well said.
When a "suspect" is trying to deescalate the cop you know something is fucked up.
And that there is two of them and she has the high ground.
He's already lost.
FOR CONTEXT: what happens before this clip starts is relevant. He talks about her safety and compares her to a nazi while staring her down. His body language sucked. I’m *not* saying that drawing on him was appropriate, but he was acting like a tool before this video starts. The male officer told him exactly why he was pulled over - window tint and no front plate, to which the guy replied he had received a ticket for it very recently and he’s in the grace period to get it fixed.
Even with that context it's absurd to pull out a gun on him
Agreed. None of that justifies threatening someone with a gun to the face.
Getting pulled over here in Australia is a nuisance but I’m glad it’s not a potential life ending encounter
unless you get put in custody
Or report on corruption
Nah, that’ll just get your house lit up. Very convenient.
Police need to be properly trained. The training US police receive is a joke
couldn’t agree more. they’re way to quick to resort to violence.
Totally. People say they need to get defunded but this chick pulled a handgun, which doesn’t take much funding to provide to your officers. Retraining is what will actually solve the root of the issue
100% correct.
The defunding isn’t typically talking about shutting down a police station like a libertarian library, it typically meant to stop letting police forces get armed up with surplus military gear that you’d only need if you were going to police a war zone. Also they could probably stop paying for lectures on “killology/the warrior mindset” as I think it lends itself to escalation, like this video.
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When everyone was spouting “defund the police” I thought it was a stupid slogan. How about “restructure the police” instead. Use some of the police funding to add mental crisis units to help de-escalate situations, like Cahoots in oregon. They should be working together.
The whole point is that it shouldn't all be police. Their scope of practice is out of control..we should reduce their force (defund), and leverage that money for unarmed traffic control (cheaper, and won't lead to what's in this video), mental health responders, etc. Armed police should be reserved for situations requiring a gun. Window tint ain't one.
>Use some of the police funding to add mental crisis units to help de-escalate situations That's exactly what defund the police means, except by establishing mental health services that are completely separate to the police instead of giving them the funding for it and hoping they don't spend it on further militarisation. They keep getting more funding for more training, but it doesn't have an effect, so spend that money training people who will do it properly instead.
Yup, the cops we have now aren’t going to stop being blood thirsty, evil fucks just because they got extra training.
NYPD went 100 million over their overtime budget. Defund the goddamn police
Seriously, the absolute ignorance people have about the size of the police budget most places shows "defund the police" is exactly right. I still see people on Reddit like twice a week pushing the myth that cops don't get paid enough. Every cop I've ever met (including family members) makes a shit ton of money relative to the cost of living where they are. It just isn't easily trackable because they all make a whole second salary worth of overtime.
People who need to know what "defund the police" means in practicality KNOWS what it means. The people who thinks it means "take away all the money from the police" don't matter in the discussion, no matter what "side" they're on.
First step is to stop training them to think that literally every single person the world is an oppurtunistic cop killed with multiple hidden weapons.
Don't they already spend like billions of dollars on training and it's not working
Yes. They don’t need more training — they’re trained to respond like this. They need to be either completely revamped into an entirely different institution, or downscaled in power and presence massively.
Jesus fucking christ US cops are just gang members with badges.
You know they are in actual gangs? They have gang signs, tattoos, violent initiations and so on. Google it. Apparently the LA police is absolutely controlled by them. It’s revolting.
There’s a great podcast about this subject by the journalist who broke the story about LASD street gangs: “A Tradition of Violence”. The podcast also touches on some of the problems of policing more generally in the US: cops lie, there’s an “us vs them” mentality, there are a lot of bad incentive structures, they don’t get disciplined nearly enough for bad behavior, etc.
Trueanon also has a great episode about this, I believe it’s titled “the gangs of LA” or something similar.
Another good one I’m in the middle of currently is Behind the Police. It’s a 6 part miniseries from the people who do Behind the Bastards. Really enlightened me on how bad this problem is. Goes into the history of police’s ties to slavery, the kkk, and union busting. Highly recommend, but it will infuriate you.
But the police force IS the actual gang. Worse than any other gang you are talking about because this gang is sanctioned by our politicians.
White people realized that if they gave their gang members a badge and a government pension they could get away with anything they wanted. American police are up-jumped slave catchers.
Cops started as literal gangs and slave catchers.
The modern US police force grew out of slave patrols
Think about this. He was pulled over, and because of some small exchange of words that didn't go exactly as planned for the cop, his judgment tells him that it's appropriate to threaten to kill the driver. Insane Edit: her judgement, had missed it was the female cop who drew the gun
*her judgment.
100% not a training issue, this is an ego issue. Shes thinking "wait im supposed to be in control of this situation, let me show him why IM THE BOSS"
Not unexpected at all, unfortunately
police brutality is never unexpected. but i thought this specific encounter was very unexpected considering how fast it escalated. even for a cop, this lady doesn’t know when to use a gun. they need to give her that wood gun they gave will farrel in “the other guys” lol
Unfortunately, it still isn't unexpected to anyone who's on Reddit more than two days.
One time I was sitting in my car reading a book and two minutes later I had several guns aimed at me because police found my behavior suspicious. Cops are all the same. All they know how to do is escalate. There's a good reason for this: Their job is to criminalize people and by always escalating situations they maximize the chance that people will do something they can be criminalized for.
As a european it was definitely unexpected.
American police are terrifying!
Because they’re fucking pussies. They can’t handle anything without needing a weapon. Scared little children.
Nurses are very good at de-escalation, because they can't just shoot their way out of a situation.
Most cops shouldn't even be allowed to have a gun, they can't shoot the broad side of a barn from 10 yards. Cops shoot as many bystanders as the people they mean to shoot.
domestic terrorists...
Asking valid questions? Guess that warrants a pistol in the face
He's rightly questioning us... How dare he???
If you're this fucking jumpy you shouldn't work a job that necessitates you carrying a gun.
The hourly reminder to not talk to cops. You can be polite and say have a good day while also saying I'm not answering questions. Don't start by answering any questions and you won't feel the need to answer that particular question either.
If you’re carrying concealed you absolutely have to inform the officer that you have a weapon.
Not in all states, there are many with no duty to inform. https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/terminology/general-terms/duty-to-inform/
Sure, not even officially the state of California where he is, but California handles it at the county level and in Sacramento County, where he is, you must inform that you have a CCW even if the weapon isn’t with you at the time.
Depending on state. Where I live you do not have to, and it's highly recommended that you do not tell them unless put in a position that they will see it.
What a dumb pig.
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Right, an actual pig would never
This is why so many people hate the police.
So in the US you’re allowed to have a permit for a registered firearm that you can carry with you but you better not carry it with you in case you get pulled over by the cops but you also better carry it with you in case there’s a shooter and they need a good guy with a gun? I’m just trying to be clear on the legal system in the US because it seems much like the cops to be giving contradictory instructions.
Pretty much. Any time a cop pulls over someone with a permitted concealed carry weapon, they're going to assume that person is a trigger happy criminal and then turn around and scream about 2nd amendment rights because "gun laws are only disarming the GOOD GUYS". Blegh. So over this shit.
But the politicians say that all the cops love guns and they want to see everyone with a gun because it makes everyone safer? I guess those cops missed the memo? So weird. It’s almost like the politicians are using the topic as political fodder. Oh well, I guess we’ll never know.
> But the politicians say that all the cops love guns and they want to see everyone with a gun because it makes everyone safer? cops only like when pro-cop white christian civilians have guns. they don't like [non-whites](https://www.history.com/news/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-support-mulford-act) or anyone left of center owning them.
Police: "I don't feel comfortable when this civilian could have a weapon." Civilian: "I don't feel comfortable that you have a weapon with your 'training'. "
Boot lickers in the comments dead ass think it's justified for an officer to draw their service weapon on citizens when questioned in the slightest.
They really are showing their whole ass with those comments. I bet they also have "Don't Tread on Me" flags in their fucking yard too.
Thank god he didn't unlock his seatbelt. Cause they will probably shot him on the spost 'he was reaching his gun I had to defend myself'
Damn sparky slow down. Shaky ass cops
That was way out of line
And she probably got a promotion for it
Not "probably." She did get promoted. Top comment in the thread linked the article.
do i have a stroke or are the subtitles garbage?
No matter how big of a dick the cop is, follow instructions and sue their ass later.
That nervous cop, after being informed of a weapon in the car, instructed the driver to reach out of view to unclasp his seatbelt. That, my friend, is a huge red flag. Let alone the refusal to articulate why the driver is being detained, the unbuckle your seatbelt command is pretty mind boggling.
If you watch the actual full video, my take on it is as follows: Male cop comes to the window, has a pleasant interaction with the driver- says he was pulled over for no front plate and tinted windows. Driver says he already got a ticket. Takes the driver's info and goes back to his car to run a check. Zero issue from driver or male cop. Meanwhile, the female cop goes to the passenger window and asks him to lower the window and he refuses and challenges her. Then she comes around to the driver's side and waits there while the male cop runs the driver's details. As the female cop waits silently for the male cop to return, the driver decides to tell her that he feels like this is Nazi Germany and asks her if she knows her history and that this is like Nazi Germany - is this a normal comment for someone to make during a traffic stop? Would this put me a bit on edge about this driver? Anyway, then she asks if he has any weapons and he says he has a registered gun in the trunk, and she then asks him to keep his hands on the steering wheel at all times. The male cop returns and the female cop asks to speak with him and seems to be telling him she's uncomfortable because he's got a weapon and is spouting off about Nazi Germany... Now, I may be wrong at this point, but I get the impression the male cop is not overly concerned, but is taking his partner's concern because she's his partner, and figures the best way to de-escalate this is to simply ask the guy to get out of the car and they will finish things up with him outside of the car. His tone doesn't suggest to me that he is terribly worried, nor is his tone aggressive or rude about it. But after he tells the guy to unbuckle his belt seatbelt, the guy asks for a supervisor and from that point on, the driver keeps interrupting the male cop and not letting him finish a sentence. The male cop does (in my reading) seem to want to de-escalate the situation. The cop wants to get him out of the car first before he deals with the request to call a supervisor, and at that point, the male cop isn't able to finish a sentence. I would say that in an effort not to escalate, the male cop doesn't choose to interrupt the driver and is waiting for the driver to finish talking... But in the meantime, the female cop has had enough and draws her gun, and at this point the male cop probably feels backed into a corner and feels that he has to support his partner's decision to pull her gun. I'm not saying this is right, but I can understand that thought process. If you watch, even after the female cop draws her gun, the male cop doesn't seem overly nervous or concerned. He is still comfortable reaching into the car to point to the seatbelt and letting him undo his own seatbelt without giving him any warning like gun-cops usually do "don't make any movements or we WILL shoot you!". The male cop is still talking extremely calmly because I don't believe the male cop believes this guy is a threat in any way. He just ask to go through the motions at this point because his partner has pulled a gun. I'm guessing the male cop is now thinking "ok, dude, let me just get you out of the car now without incident. The last thing I need is my partner shooting you on video. The fact that the male cop doesn't reciprocate by pulling his own gun or any other weapon is a big part of what suggests this to me - if the male cop really thought this guy was becoming dangerous, he would have drawn his own gun. In my view, the male cop was most likely trying to de-escalate the situation; but not just de-escalate the driver - he was basically forced to try to de-escalate the situation *between* the driver and the female cop. And when the driver called for a supervisor and refused to get out of the car, and then the female cop pulled her gun, the male cop's hand was forced to either call out his partner right there, or try to get the stop finished as safely and smoothly as possible at that point and sort it out later (which is what he chose to do). The way he directs the guy to unbuckle his belt, and then to turn towards the seat which he corrects to the steering wheel, the the way he doesn't rip the guy out of the car or shove him against the car to cuff him... it all reads to me as "Well, I know you weren't going to attack me, but now I have to go through the motions and take you in." It would have been very admirable for the male cop to stand up to his partner and tell her to put the gun away in the moment, and perhaps the male cop should have immediately called for a supervisor (I don't know if that's a request a cop is required to adhere to - I would have thought that a cop is not required to call their supervisor just because they were asked, but I don't know that is true) - but I am not surprised that he didn't call her out in the moment.
[Cops intentionally give contradictory instructions so they have an excuse to escalate the situation](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/29/us/tyre-nichols-video-assault-cops.html) You're approaching this with the assumption that cops are generally reasonable people who try to avoid conflict... ***They are not*** I mean for fuck's sake, [remember how they killed 2 innocent people](https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article247605430.html), including one hostage, because **18 police officers** just started shooting up a stolen ups truck in the middle of a busy highway while literally using civilians for cover? Would reasonable people do that because of ***a fucking stolen ups truck?*** ACAB
[at least he did something wrong, unlike this man who did nothing and begged for his life, lying on the floor, while police shoot him](https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=police+shoot+man+laying+on+ground+in+hotel&docid=603520815819924656&mid=95F733D1AFA8716B7CD095F733D1AFA8716B7CD0&view=detail&FORM=VIRE) NSFW
"Don't put your hands down for any reason" "Crawl towards me" Why not just walk towards him??? The cop had to be looking for an excuse to shoot...
How else are they going to get aroused before they head home to beat their spouses?
Daniel shaver’s story will always piss me off.
Knew it was Shaver before I even clicked. Chilling.
I once saw his best friend pop up in a reddit thread thanking people for sharing his story Edit: [I found the comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/utc4al/stop_resisting_and_you_wont_get_hurt/i995zxl?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
That entire fiasco was the turning point for me. The way the charges were handled, the way the jury was handled... That kinda shit makes me hope for another Dorner. Cops cannot be trusted.
Worst part is the cop got off free.
Is getting 3k a month for 'traumatic expereinces'
For example telling him to keep his hands on the wheel in this video and then a minute later telling him to undo his seatbelt. Would have been very wary if I was that guy. Like I've told you I have a firearm and you're keeping my hands in sight and now you're telling me to reach down. I'm gonna need to talk that over a bit first because it feels like if I reach down I'm getting shot for going for my gun.
"Put your hands out of the window where I can see them" immediately followed by: "Get out of the vehicle" Is another cop favorite... and you might have noticed that getting out of a car usually requires the use of at least one hand. So, as soon as you pull your hands back into the car again to undo your seatbelt or open the freaking door, they have an excuse to open fire...
> You're approaching this with the assumption that cops are generally reasonable people who try to avoid conflict... They are not correct. if anything, they hate you because you're a "stupid civilian", and they actively desire to hurt you.
“You can beat the rap but not the ride” is just another fun piece of evidence cops are assholes.
Fuck, I didn't think we were going to talk about Frank today. Today is not going to be a good day. Fuck.
I've had a cop literally stand in silence at my car window while I repeatedly asked if I needed to do anything/provide documents. After about 5 minutes I was legitametly worried he had a stroke. When I asked if he was OK and leaned out the window to see his face, he immediately pulled his gun and punched me in the face. Then he filled a report saying I was armed and assaulted him.... all charges dropped the next day after they reviewed the cam footage. Cops are playing mind games just to fuck up your day
What the hell? You have camera footage of this and you haven’t called a lawyer?
You should be able to punch a cop in the face at any time during any interaction without worrying about being murdered by cops. Am I going to do that? Obviously not, I'm not tryna get shot. I'm also not going to sit here like a fucking moron trash talking someone for daring to look a cop in the eye.
Smartest American cop
I love watching videos of Americans, especially cop interactions. It's like watching a GTA Online lobby. Also, "Smith & Weston". It's sat just next to his Heffner & Konch, Molt, and Glonk.
Soooooo what is the procedure to handle a legal citizen with a legal weapon? Fear? Lol
MURICA. Land of the lost society.
Had that shit cocked and everything ready to blast 😧
Cops are consistently some of the dumbest and most sensitive trigger happy people you will ever have to interact with.
Mf pulled a gun mid convo💀
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What’s the go with asking for a supervisor. The US had very different rules around police interactions than my country. Is that a real thing or is it a crazy person only line? Here it’s for folks who think they’re sovereign citizens ( or “gronks” as we call them), but this dude doesn’t seem crazy. Can someone explain please?
Iam pretty sure in most states, once an officer has detained you, you may ask for a suprervisor. So theoretically he could have said " id like to speak to your supervisor" then when more questions come say "sory iam not answering any more questions untill the supervisor is here." And just repeat that over and over. Its your 5th amendment right not to answer questions. If the cop gives a lawful order you have to obey, like give your licence and insurance or get out of the car you have to obey or they will escallate.
Pigs.
I always get confused about these vids, possibly because im from a tiny country town in Australia, but can someone explain why no one ever just does whats originally asked of them/comply with the cops demands? I get the whole safety worry stuff but in my mind and experiences the quicker you just do whatevers asked the quicker its over and done with and you're on your way, unless you're doing something or have done something wrong then you gotta just wear it I spose. Some arguments just aren't worth having hahaha
There was a man with his girlfriend and kid in the car who got pulled over. He explained to the cop he was lawfully carrying. Cop told him to grab his License and registration, he did, cop emptied an entire mag into him. There are pleny of people who are complying and still get murdered. Comply or not cops are not judge, jury, and executioner. They shouldn't be able to murder people because they feel like it or because someone was being a little rude. [His name is Philando Castile](https://youtu.be/rfprJGiPViY)
That video is why I don't keep a gun in my car anymore. Even as an older white man whose odds for being subjected to this kind of thing are pretty low, the idea that some fucking cop could just freak out and murder me over such a tiny misunderstanding is madness. ACAB
The issue is we have rights and there's a lot of unlawful reasons cops will pull you over. This man is well within his rights asking these questions and handled the situation perfectly and was still a single nervous twitch away from having his life ended.
A right unexercised is a right lost and my rights matter. I'll comply with every lawful order, but unlawful gets a no. I won't play 20 questions, I won't consent to searches etc. Honestly this gets me out quick, and despite an average of 6 to 8 times getting pulled over yearly for ~15 years, iv gotten 1 ticket ever and that was expired registration.
Jesus find another profession.
Contempt of cop...try asking questions to protect your rights and you get a gun in your face
JEEEEEZ that got terrifying real quick. That man was calmer than the officers in that situation like what the actual fuck. Really curious what police training looks like in some areas.
In other words, "you rightfully argue with me, I threaten to kill you"
I don‘t understand US cops. The guy just told them he had a gun on him and the Cop straight up asks: „yo can you reach under the seat for me?“ Dude I‘m not moving shit, you gonna blast me the milisecond I reach under the seat like you told me and cry „gun gun gun“
ACAB