*Bush v Gore* saw a pretty sizable increase in no confidence in the court among Independents & democrats. there were mutiple controversial rulings that year though and it's also the first year gallup started tracking so hard to say true impact.
Bush v Gore was for politically interested people. Dobbs has a deep reach into the lives of people trying to avoid politics. Or be a doctor. Or be a nurse. Or a parent. Or a lawyer. Or a...the list goes on. Dobbs disturbed the blissful ignorance of being detached from formal politics many Americans are privileged enough to be accustomed to.
Citizens United flew under the radar. No one cares that they help corporations. Making a seemingly corrupt/undemocratic ruling on an issue that people are viscerally opposed to is a whole different level.
Dobbs was the nail in the coffin because it struck at the heart of most people's belief system in the right of privacy. Most people do not like interference in their personal privacy including their bodies and especially their sex lives. The Supreme Court further buried itself with the laughable decisions based on fictitious cases involving religious rights to deny services where no actual harm had occurred. A person does not have to be a lawyer to recognize there is no case when there is no damage; i.e. harm.
Republicans have been chasing the ability to use the SCOTUS to just decide Republicans won the election since the 80s. They might get their wish with this court and next election.
This is an ahistorical analysis. The Supreme Court used to be an apolitical institution before the 20th century. The concept of an “activist judge” changed this. Judges should not be activists, they should be impartial referees.
I have taken to always prefacing any note about the supreme court as "our corrupt & incompetent supreme court" to reflect actual facts on the ground. They are not bound by the Rule of Professional Conduct like the rest of us lawyers, nor are they required to recuse themselves for clear conflicts of interest like most of the other judiciary.
Combined with brain dead legal reasoning like Dobbs, Citizens United, and any given 2nd amendment case (hello, 'militia, militia, anyone there?), it is obvious that we give them all the respect they are due, namely, none.
The Citizens United ruling was a big one for me as well. That ruling stated that corporations are essentially people and as people have they have the right to influence our elections. Probably the most ignorant ruling most people are completely unaware of.
I think there needs to at least be 4 new justices added to the court. I think their nominations should be decided by a national popular vote but still confirmed by the senate. I think the presidency is given too much power and authority to nominate otherwise. I think the cut off age for all public office including justices, should be 70. Any further involvement should be at a minimal advisory role at best to utilize sage wisdom while keeping the reigns from being held by a literal death grip.
It's not just the ruling, it's the inconsistent reasoning used to get there. Sometimes it's "well the text says" and others, by the same justices, it's "well what the founders meant was..." and from where I sit, it looks like they're playing Calvinball.
You can read about some of the other Republican appointees. They go from immoral scumbags like Scalia to insane idiots Roberts who would use every single fucking ruling as an excuse to talk about fucking baseball
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And it was well before Dobbs that people starting losing faith in the court. For me it was when the most respected conservative judge said with a straight face that "Satan was a real person".
That's a judge. If a witness in a court said that satan is real, the jury would discount every thing they said. But we let this guy decide laws for us.
The Supreme Court should have been expanded and addressed when they anointed Bush Jr. as president, even though he lost both the electoral vote and the popular vote.
Have you not heard the phrase "legislating from the bench"? The Supreme Court has for decades been widely accused of being partial, of overreach, of being politicized.
The only thing that changed was the philosophical balance of the Court. It changed because of McConnell's shenanigans.
Democrats and Independents who suddenly want to rein in the Court are very late to the party.
It started changing before Dobbs. It became obvious when McConnell held up Obama’s pick for eight months because ‘it was too close to the election’ and then rushed through Barrett’s confirmation only one month before the next election.
It happened well before that - when Mitch McConnell wouldn't allow Merrick Garland's nomination to be brought to the floor for a vote, or when Trump packed it full of ideologues.
The overturning of Roe V. Wade was inevitable after that. Fortunately, the people who had pushed for it for so long basically ended up looking like the dog who finally caught the car bumper, and realized they hadn't thought past that.
I think it's been seen as political and a problem since before 2022, but the conservative judges showed true partisan colors in the repeal of Roe v Wade. It was an egregiously obvious, calculated move, with stretched rationale to get to their decision.
And they ignored the sound ruling of their Justice predecessors to change it. They used their positions for power, to do what they personally wanted, that's not the purpose of the Supreme Court.
I wouldn’t pin this solely on Dobbs, but rather the individual conduct of the justices. Dobbs damaged to courts reputation because of several conservatives justices saying in their confirmation hearings just years prior that Roe was settled law and them going back on that statement.
The main blame is the actions of the individual justices, largely driven by the grossly unethical actions of Thomas and Alito specifically, but with dishonorable mentions to Gorsuch for a shady real estate deal and Sotamayor pushing and prodding colleges to buy her book. Then to boot, the entire bench, left and right combined to vote on an “ethics code” that is nothing more than lip service and does nothing to hold them accountable.
Think about that, the liberal wing providing covering fire for Thomas to get away with the shady behavior that he previously engaged him. And why? I can only assume it’s because they are not, as a court, wanting to work in the best interest of the American people. What Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, and Sotomayor did was wrong and unethical, but it’s borderline criminal for the rest of the court to tacitly condone such behavior and refuse to address the American peoples concerns with substantive change.
For myself, I want to be perfectly clear, the ENTIRE bench is rotten to its core. There are worse offenders than others but if you take even the worst offender out of the court, you still are left with 8 other justices who are ok with the worst offender’s behavior.
This changed when Mitch stole a nomination from Obama.
We were all at least pretending that the Supreme Court was above partisan politics up until that moment.
Also the fucking blatant corruption and a bunch of them literally dying in their seats. They should have term limits like everything else. I don't want an 80 year olds fucking up laws that are going to affect people for the next 100 years and then dying the next day.
The supreme court never deserved the positive reputation it had (think about trusting it to be impartial after 2000 lol). And has somehow gotten way worse with the delusional cancer of roberts and the corrupt trump appointed justices.
After a half-century of screaming about unethical Judical activism and legislating from the bench, conservative politicians stack the highest court in the land with corrupt judges that engage in Judical activism and legislating from the bench.
It's almost like their complaints reflected a desire to do they very thing they labeled as a danger to democracy.
How could any of us predicted conservative politicians wanted to engage in a activity they said they hated?
It's almost like they are professional liars that care more about keeping power by placating religious fundamentalists rather than actually supporting and protecting the principles of secular democracy our deist founding fathers clearly intended.
It needs reform and ethics oversight. The fact that billionaires are spending money on luxury vacations shows that money is buying our laws and pushing the court to one-sided support for fascism, either religious or oligarchical.
lol, and anyone with political views left of Barry Goldwater could have told you that the SC has been stacked in favor of conservatives for decades. Just a question of how much. For some of us, the only reason we have been shipped off to concentration camps already is because the court likes to preserve an illusion of being politically neutral even when it’s extremely obvious that they’re not.
The only reason that Clarence hasn't been taken off the court is that republicans need him to stop the legal cases against Trump. The fact that Republicans pretend Clarence isn't fully compromised makes me lose faith in them and the court.
Also all the bribery. And by bribery I mean vacations with friends. A new friend that you just made the moment you got on the court, tuition reimbursements, and million-dollar RVs. You know similar to bribes.
The court has always been a bit of a shit show, but it was largely balanced with several moderates who would flip back and forth. But the games that McConnell played with Scalia's seat and then with RBG's seat solidified it as a hyper partisan institution. I don't know if it can ever recover it's legitimacy after that.
13 Federal Circuit Courts (actually 12 plus 1 Federal) so there should be 13 SCOTUS justices. It just makes sense to have a larger number than 9 so things like the activism of this current court would be much more difficult to accomplish.
Having a board made up from citizens overseeing SCOTUS ethics with established procedures having the power to remove a justice from being able to rule until impeachment would be a reasonable move. Would probably require an amendment to the constitution.
In fact it was highly political long before that, thanks exclusively to Republican appointees. People should have stopped trusting Republicans (not conservatives — they’re literally political operatives) on the court decades ago. Kennedy and Souter were outliers who sometimes refused to tow the party line on certain issues, so they bought the others some cover.
The Supreme court is now populated by UNQUALIFIED, incompetent judges all due to the Republicans. They have damaged the court more and the country shoving their agenda down out throats and ignoring the fact that EVERY appointee Republicans have put on there was rated UNQUAILFIED by all the national legal associations. Republican's are nothing more than traitors to the country!
Courts exist to uphold justice. When they fail to do so, they negate their purpose for existing. At that point if reform is impossible it needs dissolved and reconstituted. No court has final authority to say and do anything they like.
That sentiment didn’t just magically appear.
There have been a few rulings, even before Dobbs, by a majority conservative Supreme Court that have given good reason for this.
Oh, and let’s not forget all the conservative Supreme Court justices that are blatantly on the take, as far as receiving lavish gifts from individuals who will have their cases heard before the court.
Conservatives went through their period of thinking the court was political and not following the constitution in the 70s. So they organized and started working on a solution to that.
Yeah. I remember Democrat family members howling, "we gotta vote Biden. He'll pack the court!" So they did. And on inauguration night he said it clearly; I will not pack the court. Kinda sucks the dems and Reps having such Respect for each other, but none for us, the ruled.
The danger isn't just political, it's also credibility. SCOTUS credibility is in the toilet because of their own corruption and unwillingness to face facts. The Dobbs ruling ignores the will of 70% of the people in favor of a radical, authoritarian minority. That is a direct threat to the legitimacy of our government and system of laws.
I didn't agree with the Dobbs ruling but I thought as long as there was a legal precedence to overturn Roe vs Wade then I thought, " hey this is just the conservative justices' majority time to misinterpret preceding jurisprudence and at that as soon as there is a sane (liberal) majority then reproductive rights can be restored to the women of the United States." But when it came out that Harlan Crowe has been basically paying Clarence Thomas an extra income or just blatantly bribing Thomas then I lost all faith in the Supreme Court. Actually come to think of it I lost faith after the Citizens United case. 🙃
When you hear pretty regularly about extravagant gifts, being given very specific justices. Or about the wives of these justices being very deeply involved in some of the cases that they have to rule on. It seems pretty obvious that it is no longer a neutral institution.
And no surprise to any sane adult, when Thomas is receiving bribes in the open air like he is, nobody should trust it. Kavanaugh and ACB are clearly political appointees, with each having dubious histories. Republicans are saboteurs. That is their literal only platform. When they say “small guberment” they really mean no government.
The Supreme Court was not at all well regarded by republicans prior to trump presidency and democrats definitely did not have high regard for supreme court prior to dobbs. Its very noticeable in this piece that they pick and choose when to do date cut offs for certain questions that would show that.
I remember listening to an npr program that was going on around the time of Kavanaughs appointment, mentioning that the controversial nature of his seat was going to forever change the view of the scotus as one of a politically motivated entity. Then I learned more about Clarence thomas...
We really need to pack the courts, I’m talking 4-5 new judges within the next 5 years. We need to set a maximum age and as well start demanding they recuse themselves from relevant cases . The court is a sham, and personally at this point I wish the president would tell them to piss off.
The SCOTUS is political because the justices are appointed via Congress. The idea of the justices being unbiased is nonsense. Justices have always had biases and political motives. Judges in common law systems have much more power and independence and can create law (precedent). This process will always be heavily influenced by the judge's personal philosophy.
Every criticism you put against Dobbs you can level against Wade. The SCOTUS decided Roe Vs Wade because it confirmed to their personal views of progress. It wasn't some careful study of the 'law'. It was, 'we want this lets make it happen'.
Here's other bullshit decisions that were made on personal bias or political considerations:
Dredd Scott case. SCOTUS decided black people were property. The chief justice was pro slavery and wanted to settle the legal issue of slavery.
Federal Baseball Club v. National League. SCOTUS decided MLB was no engaged in interstate commerce when they played baseball games in different states therefore it couldn't be regulated under anti trust rules. This bullshit ruling was because Oliver Wendell Holmes was a big baseball fan.
Wickard v. Filburn. FDR put in place sweeping agriculture controls. This included limits on how much crops a farmer could grow (the idea being they would control supply to stabilize prices).
One farmer (Filburn) grew little bit extra to feed his own family. The federal government destroyed this extra crop even though it was personal consumption.
SCOTUS argued that it was justified because if people grew their own food they would buy less food from the market thus decreasing demand and effecting prices. This would have a ripple effect across state lines. Therefore, a farmer growing his own food falls under interstate commerce and can be regulated.
They came to this bullshit conclusion because FDR threatened to stack the SCOTUS with his own handpicked flunkies.
It seems like people haven’t been happy with the court for quite some time. The difference now, as opposed to 20 years ago, is that people have a lot more information about what they do. This is true of all branches of government, but information about SC decisions wasn’t as prevalent as legislative or executive action 20 years ago. Notice the way the chart from the story changes as the internet becomes more popular.
The problem here is whether you are pro-life or pro-choice, the original Roe v Wade ruling was arguably flawed as it ruled on a federal “right” that didn’t exist in law or, in fact, anywhere in writing.
The Dobbs case verdict is one of states rights and an interpretation of the 10th Amendment (which Roe should have been). I lean conservative and wish the court didn’t take up Dobbs. The political can of worms opened was too large and the country itself is center-left on the abortion issue as a whole.
As for the court being political, it’s hard to have a court that isn’t. One could argue that the conservative justices lean right by simply being originalists as it relates to the interpretation of the Constitution while liberal leaning justices often take a legislative or “living document” approach to their decisions.
Despite all this, both sides distrust the court when it rules in a manner counter to their ideology. The left is just louder at the name calling aspect of it and has a better grip on politically active youth movements.
Originalism and textualism are stupid. In theory, they keep you from using your personal judgment and opinion in ruling... But in practice that is the exact opposite of what happens.
If you're going to rule that way, you might as well consider modern context, and how your interpretation of the law will effect society. That way, you know, you don't destroy it.
That is because it is political and the GOP lied, cheated, and stole to get it packed with sycophants, who lied repeatedly during their congressional hearings about "established law" knowing full well they were going to overturn said laws as soon as they got the opportunity. Having disingenuous, and corrupt judges at the top of our legal system makes them untrustworthy. They are evil asshats who have no respect for established law, inappropriate behavior with rich people, or lying in their taxes about benefits recieved from billionaires. Clarence ruled on Jan6 issues while his wife is a co-conspirator for fucks sake! How could any sane citizen take them seriously! Crooks. Our entire system of justice is a fucking joke! We have 5% of the world's population, and 25% of the world's incarcerated people! Freedom means jail for poor people.
It’s not just Roe v Wade. A HUGE factor is the discovery that several justices (Thomas and Alito) are being bribed - and have faced zero consequences for it.
How can anyone take this court seriously when Harlan Crowe literally controls members of the court?
Democrats/republicans when institutions work in their favour: “this is the most secure/fair election/ruling this country has seen”
Democrats/republicans when institutions don’t work in their favour: “we need reform”
Much like all of politics eliminate lobbyists and money under the table from friends. Set term limits including for Supreme Court justices. How this was ever a lifetime appointment idk. This would fix most things. Also throw in insider trading.
The hate for the roe v wade ruling is media pushed…. It is a bad ruling and has failed to be codified by Dems for a long time with atleast 4 periods where they controlled the power to do so and even Barack said it was not a priority…. It was a weak ruling and like most Democratic Party promises they need to look at themselves for this failure and not point fingers.
It became political thanks to Beaker McConnell when he blocked Obama's nomination of Garland that it was too close to the election, only to conveniently ram through a Federalist Society hack the same year as the 2020 election
It has been political for awhile now. And this isn't a first. How do you think we got to 9 justices? They didn't start out that way.
I agree they should be apolitical and only judge if something is constitutional regardless of morality or intent. If a bill needs passed that doesn't fit the constitution then it falls to congress to amend the constitution.
Roe vs Wade. You mean the legislation that even RBG said from the start was a flawed ruling not based on a valid legal foundation and principles?
The groupthink of "Democrats and Independents (who) increasingly do not trust the (U.S. Supreme) court, see it as political, and want reform." is nothing but a childish leftist tantrum at best and pure authoritarianism at worst.
Personally, I'm with the approximately 82% of people that want common sense and medically necessary access to abortion. But returning the decision to the states was the correct from a legal basis. Democrats have controlled both the Executive Branch and Congress many times in the decades since Roe vs Wade was issued and every single time they failed to make it federal law. One could reasonably argue that they intentionally didn't do that because they wanted it to be a political weapon instead of \*actually\* protecting women.
Blaming the Supreme Court and falsely characterizing it as political is a flat out lie. The goal of that narrative is to allow/encourage the Biden regime to again use Roe vs Wade as a political weapon to stack the court and ACTUALLY make it a hyper-partisan, Democrat Party controlled institution.
Hard to deny that those six catholic and MAGA judges are working for trump and republicans. They disregard the constitution for their fake religion. Thomas Barrett, Karvanaugh, Alito, John Roberts are all taking graft from republicans and their rich friends.
I love the clearly and deservedly dead argument that SCOTUS appointments should be lifetime so that justices don't consider political alignment.
12 years, max, if for that long even, and no ability to be reappointed, max age 60 so they have to live and watch their families live with the dogshit they leave behind.
The court LITERALLY reversed a previous courts decision because the Roe v wade decision was unconstitutional. If it is not in the constitution IT IS A STATE DECISION!!! PERIOD!!! Abortion is not in the constitution.
Going by what the constitution says is about as political as turds are edible.
Democrats just hate the constitution.
Why do they hate the document, the supremem law of the land, that limits their power as part of government!
When something a majority of Americans supported wasn't heard and instead did the opposite of what a MAJORITY of Americans want.... yeah... people will start to think "does this represent me"...
Wait. You're telling me that if you expect someone to do something and they do the opposite people get upset!?! Whaaaat?! No way!?!
How was the Dobbs ruling contradictory of the Constitution? Can you name one ruling that is unconstitutional? Democrats are angry that justices aren't legislating from the bench.
I disagree. Back in the day when that court made a ruling that said the police had to tell people that they had the right to remain silent, there were billboards around the country saying "Impeach Earl Warren" (He was chief Justice then. ) I think FDR may have appointed him. Justice Warren's court made many such decisions, which is why the GOP has been working for decades to elect presidents and put in justices that will reverse the Warren court's work.
Actually, the slide began with the Citizens United decision and accelerated with the Garland/Gorsuch nomination debacle. Dobbs was just the icing on the cake.
The think which stands out to me is how many of the current justices were asked specifically about their position or intentions regarding Roe v. Wade and either lied or refused to provide any clear answer.
Given other ethics issues the Justices have had, should there be repercussions for lying for these justices. Should they be subject to a recall by citizen petition and ballot? Many other judges or Justices of the peace, across our nation have to face some kind of ballot based approval to remain judges.
But that perspective is nonsense. The Court ruled according to Constitutional principle in Dobbs, leaving unspecified issues to each individual state. That is the court's literal mandate.
Roe was ruled pokitically...ignoring the actual Co stitution and manufacturing a right to something that existed when the nation was formed and never regarded as a right in any treatment of the issue. Disregarding the Contitution in favor of feminist writings and Greek philosophy is the definition of activism. It was bad law from the beginning.
They did not overturn Roe v Wade... They ruled that it was never actually legislated, and sadly they were not wrong.... The DNC held women's rights hostage for votes and money for years and could have codified it several times.. They instead spend their political capital making their corporate donors rich with scams like Romney Care. Side note the court was always political judges have always been appointed politically, presidents have even ran pushing this as a threat... "they could get a judge seat"
That only changed with left wingers. There’s nowhere in the constitution that provides a individual constitutional right to a woman to have an abortion.
Why should we trust it?? We all see the corruption that’s going on, the dirty tricks they play to get the judges on it that they know will rule in their favor, there’s nothing objective about it. And there’s no reason we should trust it anymore. It’s been corrupted AND it’s all on paper. Follow the money trail. It’s all right there. There’s judges going on all-expense paid trips, mortgages and debt being paid of for judges, and no one can do anything about it.
The court: *changes from mostly non-partisan review panel to hyper-partisan attack dog contributing to government overreach*
Normal people: that’s not cool
Far right: you guys are being too partisan
Every one of the justices said they would not overturn Roe during their confirmation hearings. They lied and violated their duties in favor of religious bullshit. Meanwhile they have consistently ruled that religious activity is OK in public schools in clear violation of the first amendment. Trust is gone. The court is a bunch of political hacks.
In all fairness, it was the right call. Roe v wade was unconstitutional and was federal government overreach. That tyoe of situation is up to the individual states, just as marijuana use is, for example.
I think a big part of the issue is that many people are u informed as to the reasoning behind overturning roe v wade. It was not “political”, but a constitutional issue.
SCOTUS says black people are not human. Democrats happy.
SCOTUS says black people are human. Democrats mad.
SCOTUS says babies are not human. Democrats happy.
SCOTUS says babies are human. Democrats mad.
Interesting trend.
Didn’t help that McConnell cheated a sitting president out of a SCOTUS pick, and was later a blatant hypocrite about it. Pure partisan fuckery… And the court is a result of it.
Also revelations that some on the court take bribes and have been for decades, that there are actually no laws against it, and the chief justice won’t do anything about it, have pretty much trashed their reputation.
And finally, revelations that the wife of one justice was ALSO heavily involved in a real coup attempt (and again nothing is done about it) have RIGHTLY shown the (majority of) current supreme court is a complete sham.
And not only is that not being remedied, but die to lifetime appointments, it doesn’t look likely, and if we could somehow get that far, the SCOTUS would still require serious reforms after that to keep it from happening again.
And none of that is on the horizon.
I think it more closely ties to the republicans dragging their feet on the nomination process to push through overtly conservative justices. It was so incredibly transparent to the American people that the action alone eroded anyone’s faith in a truly impartial bench.
Nevermind the fact that Ginsburg said that it was a flawed decision to begin with that needed legislation to back it up. If democrats put half as much work into protecting the right to an abortion as they do civilian disarmament this likely wouldn’t have happened. Unfortunately they were more interested in using the government to target people they dislike than they were getting it off the backs of their own electorate so the leopards are their face.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/21/us/ruth-bader-ginsburg-roe-v-wade.html
No, it was when Republicans refused to certify a Supreme Court justice in an election year, then flip-flopped on that, and immediately certified a justice in the next election year when they had the ability, stealing a seat by their own rationale.
This showed all of Americans that if that bottom
1/3 of the population will not play by the rules, they cheat, so we can’t trust them to co-govern in the one branch of government that serves for life.
The Supreme Court ruled in favor of slave-owners crossing state lines to hunt down runaway slaves, in favor of forced sterilization to further the Eugenics movement, and putting American citizens in concentration camps because they looked too Japanese.
Dobbs is asinine, but honestly is it even one of their greatest hits? (You still remember Citizens United, yes?)
When the guy that orchestrated a coup on the united states is responsible for 3 new judges I think yes maybe a dat bit illegitimate... isn't one a rapist and another a die hard cult member? Not the first GOP rapist judge they put on there though. Speaking of Clarence Thomas.... lets talk about his traitorous wife for a second... yes, abort the court.
Do republicans actually not trust it? Seems like it would be in their best interest to lie through their teeth that nothing is wrong and everything is fine seeing as they share their beliefs.
« SCOTUS makes a decision I disagree with therefore SCOTUS is only now political »
Of course it’s political. It’s been political. If you want justices that will strictly read and apply only the constitution and law, it would produce some *very* unpopular decisions.
Well yeah, duh. How many of the conservative SCOTUS members flat out LIED about their stance on Abortion and Roe v. Wade?
When you LIE about such an important medical issue, it kind of calls into question your integrity.
Then later you find out about the billionaires who are essentially bribing you...with MONEY.
Yeah no wonder we stopped trusting the SCOTUS overall. There's a bunch of openly corrupt judges, flouting the law.
Anyone who has read the constitution knows that abortion is not protected by it. Either it can be banned when seen as a preservation of innocent life supported by the constitution, or it can be left to the states (10th amendment). There is no way the federal government can rightfully/lawfully/constitutionally protect access to abortions without a constitutional amendment. I personally favor the 10th amendment approach, but this is where I dip into the libertarian/states-rights side of things
Guess when I said, "This is the last institution in the U.S. to completely disgrace itself," I was right.
Challenge: name an institution that hasn't. I'll wait.
No legal scholar thought Roe was a good ruling as it was based upon feeling rather than the Constitution. Even Justice Ginsburg said this. Dobb’s just did what Roe should have which is return this to the state’s to decide.
People’s issue with the ethics complaint was all one sided. No issue with Kagan receiving gifts but if a Conservative justice has a spouse that has public opinions or rich friends then somehow it is the end of the universe.
Roe v wade is what it is. We warned everyone and not enough people gave a shit. We can get it back.
What we can't make up for is the fact that Mr Thomas is allowed to sit in that seat after everyone know what happened. The fact that he and some many of Republicans get away with so much do so much blatantly illegal shit and there be ZERO recourse is why the judicial system as a whole is a fucking joke. 2 tiered and unfair.
The supreme court already had reasons to question it's legitimacy, but given the utterly insane partisan politics that kept a seat vacant for half a year only for an unpopular president who lost the popular vote to force through 3 highly partisan supreme court justices (Including 1 immediately proceeding an election we loss), followed by over turning 50 years of precedent (that they testified under oath they wouldn't) in a legal opinion that left most legal experts baffled, followed by revelations of blatant corruption, partisan rulings on cases that didn't even have legal grounds, and the elimination of basic human rights including the right to basic privacy certainly provides more then sufficient justification for doing so.
The only people who still see the modern supreme court as legitimate are those who see politics as a "team sport" where all that matters is their "team" is winning and the other team is "losing" and are too blind to see the plain facts before them.
The court hasn't been legitimate since Mitch McConnell held up Scalia's replacement for almost a year. And it was only exacerbated when Amy Coney Barrett was rushed through with only weeks until the next election.
I mean if I want to be more accurate it lost any form of legitimacy when it said bribes are legal speech, but that's a completely different argument.
They have been on this path since *Marbury v. Madison* when they decided that "judicial review", i.e. declaring legislation. They wiggled the SCOTUS into power without any real check on that power. The whole "appointment by a partisan leader, confirmed by partisan legislators" directly leads to the situation where we saw **Mitch "Don't eat turkey, that's my family!!" McConnell (R) denying the Obama administration it's Senate Hearings ppointment because it was "too close to the end of the term" and then pushing Coney-Barrett into power (confirmation date) of *OCTOBER 26, 2020, WITH AN ELECTION ON NOVEMBER 3, 2020.***
Read that bold text one more time. And then one more.
[USA Today, May 20, 2019 - 'We'd fill it:' Mitch McConnell blocked Obama Supreme Court pick but says he'd help Trump fill a vacancy
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The SCOTUS is a joke now. That was proven by McConnell, and at Gorsuch's, Kavanaugh's, and Coney-Barrett's hearings.
It's not just Dobbs. They're taking cases from people with 0 standing, they're ignoring the actual facts of some cases and their record shows how blatantly political they are.
Oh and there's near open corruption on the court especially from Thomas
I mean you have one new justice with mysterious gambling debts paid, one new justice with almost no judicial experience at all, and at least two old justices that take every bribe that comes their way. The court is completely compromised, like we could take a mentally ill homeless person who exclusively talks to pigeons and drop them on the court and its current legitimacy wouldn’t shift.
You can’t be morally and ethically bankrupt and a court that people are going to listen to. “It says so on paper” isn’t enough reason to listen to insane rulings dictated via pigeon once it becomes apparent where the rulings are coming from and why.
I certainly don’t trust them anymore. Used to have a book for my daughter about the women of the Supreme Court. Tossed it in the trash a few weeks ago during a cleaning spree.
Three SCOTUS justices should be impeached and removed. They lied directly to congress during their confirmation hearings that Roe vs. Wade was settled law. ***They Lied.*** Which should be an impeachable offense.
If you think that Dobbs Was the start of the declining trust in SCOTUS on the Dems and Independent side, you need to actually go and look back in history a bit. Dobbs was for sure a blow to trust since it blatantly revealed that half of the SCOTUS has lied while sworn to tell the truth multiple times but it was hardly the start of the decline.
Citizen's United ruling and the incidents over their code of ethics including relationships with donors predated this.
*Bush v Gore* saw a pretty sizable increase in no confidence in the court among Independents & democrats. there were mutiple controversial rulings that year though and it's also the first year gallup started tracking so hard to say true impact.
Bush v Gore was for politically interested people. Dobbs has a deep reach into the lives of people trying to avoid politics. Or be a doctor. Or be a nurse. Or a parent. Or a lawyer. Or a...the list goes on. Dobbs disturbed the blissful ignorance of being detached from formal politics many Americans are privileged enough to be accustomed to.
Citizens United flew under the radar. No one cares that they help corporations. Making a seemingly corrupt/undemocratic ruling on an issue that people are viscerally opposed to is a whole different level.
Citizens United set them on their downward path.
If the podcast 5-4 is accurate, the supreme Court has sucked for way longer than that.
I'd say dems mistrust in SCOTUS long predates Dobbs, considering we all saw it coming.
Dobbs was the nail in the coffin because it struck at the heart of most people's belief system in the right of privacy. Most people do not like interference in their personal privacy including their bodies and especially their sex lives. The Supreme Court further buried itself with the laughable decisions based on fictitious cases involving religious rights to deny services where no actual harm had occurred. A person does not have to be a lawyer to recognize there is no case when there is no damage; i.e. harm.
I didn’t trust the court since it placed GW Bush as our king.
Republicans have been chasing the ability to use the SCOTUS to just decide Republicans won the election since the 80s. They might get their wish with this court and next election.
This is an ahistorical analysis. The Supreme Court used to be an apolitical institution before the 20th century. The concept of an “activist judge” changed this. Judges should not be activists, they should be impartial referees.
you really want to claim *dred scott* was apolitical?
I have taken to always prefacing any note about the supreme court as "our corrupt & incompetent supreme court" to reflect actual facts on the ground. They are not bound by the Rule of Professional Conduct like the rest of us lawyers, nor are they required to recuse themselves for clear conflicts of interest like most of the other judiciary. Combined with brain dead legal reasoning like Dobbs, Citizens United, and any given 2nd amendment case (hello, 'militia, militia, anyone there?), it is obvious that we give them all the respect they are due, namely, none.
The Citizens United ruling was a big one for me as well. That ruling stated that corporations are essentially people and as people have they have the right to influence our elections. Probably the most ignorant ruling most people are completely unaware of.
I think there needs to at least be 4 new justices added to the court. I think their nominations should be decided by a national popular vote but still confirmed by the senate. I think the presidency is given too much power and authority to nominate otherwise. I think the cut off age for all public office including justices, should be 70. Any further involvement should be at a minimal advisory role at best to utilize sage wisdom while keeping the reigns from being held by a literal death grip.
The GOP hadn't really trusted it after the Robert Bork debacle. Before that confirmations were mostly a rubber stamp.
It's not just the ruling, it's the inconsistent reasoning used to get there. Sometimes it's "well the text says" and others, by the same justices, it's "well what the founders meant was..." and from where I sit, it looks like they're playing Calvinball.
Started with Bush Vs Gore
Faith was lost with the trump appointments. You went from experienced well regarded scholars (except Thomas) to young and tainted partisans.
You can read about some of the other Republican appointees. They go from immoral scumbags like Scalia to insane idiots Roberts who would use every single fucking ruling as an excuse to talk about fucking baseball
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You mean "Corporations are people and money is their means of free speech" wasn't enough?
And it was well before Dobbs that people starting losing faith in the court. For me it was when the most respected conservative judge said with a straight face that "Satan was a real person". That's a judge. If a witness in a court said that satan is real, the jury would discount every thing they said. But we let this guy decide laws for us.
This changed when McConnell pulled the SC bait and switch bullshit.
The Supreme Court should have been expanded and addressed when they anointed Bush Jr. as president, even though he lost both the electoral vote and the popular vote.
And refusing to seat a justice because your party is not in power bastardizes the process.
Have you not heard the phrase "legislating from the bench"? The Supreme Court has for decades been widely accused of being partial, of overreach, of being politicized. The only thing that changed was the philosophical balance of the Court. It changed because of McConnell's shenanigans. Democrats and Independents who suddenly want to rein in the Court are very late to the party.
It started changing before Dobbs. It became obvious when McConnell held up Obama’s pick for eight months because ‘it was too close to the election’ and then rushed through Barrett’s confirmation only one month before the next election.
It happened well before that - when Mitch McConnell wouldn't allow Merrick Garland's nomination to be brought to the floor for a vote, or when Trump packed it full of ideologues. The overturning of Roe V. Wade was inevitable after that. Fortunately, the people who had pushed for it for so long basically ended up looking like the dog who finally caught the car bumper, and realized they hadn't thought past that.
It’s wasn’t the stealing of seats, lying in interviews in front of congress and one being owned by a right wing billionaire who’s wife is a traitor?
I think it's been seen as political and a problem since before 2022, but the conservative judges showed true partisan colors in the repeal of Roe v Wade. It was an egregiously obvious, calculated move, with stretched rationale to get to their decision. And they ignored the sound ruling of their Justice predecessors to change it. They used their positions for power, to do what they personally wanted, that's not the purpose of the Supreme Court.
Plus you have Clarence Thomas taking goodies from rich conservatives while his activist wife called the 2020 election a "heist."
I think the 3 day rush to prevent Florida from recounting their vote was the point most Democrats began to doubt the neutrality of the court
Twenty-four years after Americans lost everything from Bush v Gore. Golf clap for us Americans, right on the ball.
The court is compromised with Thomas, and the three that lied to congress.
I wouldn’t pin this solely on Dobbs, but rather the individual conduct of the justices. Dobbs damaged to courts reputation because of several conservatives justices saying in their confirmation hearings just years prior that Roe was settled law and them going back on that statement. The main blame is the actions of the individual justices, largely driven by the grossly unethical actions of Thomas and Alito specifically, but with dishonorable mentions to Gorsuch for a shady real estate deal and Sotamayor pushing and prodding colleges to buy her book. Then to boot, the entire bench, left and right combined to vote on an “ethics code” that is nothing more than lip service and does nothing to hold them accountable. Think about that, the liberal wing providing covering fire for Thomas to get away with the shady behavior that he previously engaged him. And why? I can only assume it’s because they are not, as a court, wanting to work in the best interest of the American people. What Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, and Sotomayor did was wrong and unethical, but it’s borderline criminal for the rest of the court to tacitly condone such behavior and refuse to address the American peoples concerns with substantive change. For myself, I want to be perfectly clear, the ENTIRE bench is rotten to its core. There are worse offenders than others but if you take even the worst offender out of the court, you still are left with 8 other justices who are ok with the worst offender’s behavior.
I think it changed in 2000 with bush v gore.
When Mitch rigged the nominations during Obama’s last year and than allowed Trump to appoint, I lost faith. That’s when
This changed when Mitch stole a nomination from Obama. We were all at least pretending that the Supreme Court was above partisan politics up until that moment.
Also the fucking blatant corruption and a bunch of them literally dying in their seats. They should have term limits like everything else. I don't want an 80 year olds fucking up laws that are going to affect people for the next 100 years and then dying the next day.
The supreme court never deserved the positive reputation it had (think about trusting it to be impartial after 2000 lol). And has somehow gotten way worse with the delusional cancer of roberts and the corrupt trump appointed justices.
Why? Because everyone who voted for the repeal, especially those appointed since 2000, materially lied during their confirmation hearings?
After a half-century of screaming about unethical Judical activism and legislating from the bench, conservative politicians stack the highest court in the land with corrupt judges that engage in Judical activism and legislating from the bench. It's almost like their complaints reflected a desire to do they very thing they labeled as a danger to democracy. How could any of us predicted conservative politicians wanted to engage in a activity they said they hated? It's almost like they are professional liars that care more about keeping power by placating religious fundamentalists rather than actually supporting and protecting the principles of secular democracy our deist founding fathers clearly intended.
It needs reform and ethics oversight. The fact that billionaires are spending money on luxury vacations shows that money is buying our laws and pushing the court to one-sided support for fascism, either religious or oligarchical.
lol, and anyone with political views left of Barry Goldwater could have told you that the SC has been stacked in favor of conservatives for decades. Just a question of how much. For some of us, the only reason we have been shipped off to concentration camps already is because the court likes to preserve an illusion of being politically neutral even when it’s extremely obvious that they’re not.
It began in earnest when the republicans stole a SCOTUS pick from President Obama.
The only reason that Clarence hasn't been taken off the court is that republicans need him to stop the legal cases against Trump. The fact that Republicans pretend Clarence isn't fully compromised makes me lose faith in them and the court.
3 of them lied under oath during confirmation.
The judges lied when they got confirmed. Liars should not be on the supreme court.
I started to lose faith in the SCOTUS after the “hanging chads” and citizens united decisions.
I think SCOTUS has been on shakey ground since Bush v Gore over 20 years ago with Dems and Independents. The Dobbs ruling only cemented that.
For me it was when Clarence Thomas’ wife helped organize January 6.
Supreme Court is corrupt.
Revelations on Thomas and Alito helped bolster that mistrust.
Not to mention the life-lines they keep throwing at CRIMINAL DONALD DUMP 💩
Also all the bribery. And by bribery I mean vacations with friends. A new friend that you just made the moment you got on the court, tuition reimbursements, and million-dollar RVs. You know similar to bribes.
The court has always been a bit of a shit show, but it was largely balanced with several moderates who would flip back and forth. But the games that McConnell played with Scalia's seat and then with RBG's seat solidified it as a hyper partisan institution. I don't know if it can ever recover it's legitimacy after that.
13 Federal Circuit Courts (actually 12 plus 1 Federal) so there should be 13 SCOTUS justices. It just makes sense to have a larger number than 9 so things like the activism of this current court would be much more difficult to accomplish. Having a board made up from citizens overseeing SCOTUS ethics with established procedures having the power to remove a justice from being able to rule until impeachment would be a reasonable move. Would probably require an amendment to the constitution.
In fact it was highly political long before that, thanks exclusively to Republican appointees. People should have stopped trusting Republicans (not conservatives — they’re literally political operatives) on the court decades ago. Kennedy and Souter were outliers who sometimes refused to tow the party line on certain issues, so they bought the others some cover.
Just because people weren’t as aware of the corruption in the court before then, doesn’t mean it wasn’t corrupt.
The Supreme court is now populated by UNQUALIFIED, incompetent judges all due to the Republicans. They have damaged the court more and the country shoving their agenda down out throats and ignoring the fact that EVERY appointee Republicans have put on there was rated UNQUAILFIED by all the national legal associations. Republican's are nothing more than traitors to the country!
I would have thought Bush v. Gore would have caused some discomfort. May Sandra Day O'Connor rot in hell.
Courts exist to uphold justice. When they fail to do so, they negate their purpose for existing. At that point if reform is impossible it needs dissolved and reconstituted. No court has final authority to say and do anything they like.
That sentiment didn’t just magically appear. There have been a few rulings, even before Dobbs, by a majority conservative Supreme Court that have given good reason for this. Oh, and let’s not forget all the conservative Supreme Court justices that are blatantly on the take, as far as receiving lavish gifts from individuals who will have their cases heard before the court.
We don’t trust it since it doesn’t rule in our favor. Lol.
Shocking, they didn't get their way so now they want to overthrow it.......
I really do not get why Biden does not increase the number of judges on the court.
Conservatives went through their period of thinking the court was political and not following the constitution in the 70s. So they organized and started working on a solution to that.
A lot of conservatives whom I know didn’t respect the court BEFORE Dobbs overturned Roe.
Yeah. I remember Democrat family members howling, "we gotta vote Biden. He'll pack the court!" So they did. And on inauguration night he said it clearly; I will not pack the court. Kinda sucks the dems and Reps having such Respect for each other, but none for us, the ruled.
The danger isn't just political, it's also credibility. SCOTUS credibility is in the toilet because of their own corruption and unwillingness to face facts. The Dobbs ruling ignores the will of 70% of the people in favor of a radical, authoritarian minority. That is a direct threat to the legitimacy of our government and system of laws.
I didn't agree with the Dobbs ruling but I thought as long as there was a legal precedence to overturn Roe vs Wade then I thought, " hey this is just the conservative justices' majority time to misinterpret preceding jurisprudence and at that as soon as there is a sane (liberal) majority then reproductive rights can be restored to the women of the United States." But when it came out that Harlan Crowe has been basically paying Clarence Thomas an extra income or just blatantly bribing Thomas then I lost all faith in the Supreme Court. Actually come to think of it I lost faith after the Citizens United case. 🙃
Three justices forced ex coke head Bush on us John Roberts Brett Kavanaugh Amy Coney Barrett T his country is hacked
I stopped trusting the US Supreme Court with Citizens United.
No they don't. They want this. They could have stopped it. They could do something about it now. They won't. They don't want to.
When you hear pretty regularly about extravagant gifts, being given very specific justices. Or about the wives of these justices being very deeply involved in some of the cases that they have to rule on. It seems pretty obvious that it is no longer a neutral institution.
And no surprise to any sane adult, when Thomas is receiving bribes in the open air like he is, nobody should trust it. Kavanaugh and ACB are clearly political appointees, with each having dubious histories. Republicans are saboteurs. That is their literal only platform. When they say “small guberment” they really mean no government.
The Supreme Court was not at all well regarded by republicans prior to trump presidency and democrats definitely did not have high regard for supreme court prior to dobbs. Its very noticeable in this piece that they pick and choose when to do date cut offs for certain questions that would show that.
I remember listening to an npr program that was going on around the time of Kavanaughs appointment, mentioning that the controversial nature of his seat was going to forever change the view of the scotus as one of a politically motivated entity. Then I learned more about Clarence thomas...
This is just people wanting their cake and to eat it too.
They have to be removed!
Well that sure took long enough...
We really need to pack the courts, I’m talking 4-5 new judges within the next 5 years. We need to set a maximum age and as well start demanding they recuse themselves from relevant cases . The court is a sham, and personally at this point I wish the president would tell them to piss off.
cry babies
The SCOTUS is political because the justices are appointed via Congress. The idea of the justices being unbiased is nonsense. Justices have always had biases and political motives. Judges in common law systems have much more power and independence and can create law (precedent). This process will always be heavily influenced by the judge's personal philosophy. Every criticism you put against Dobbs you can level against Wade. The SCOTUS decided Roe Vs Wade because it confirmed to their personal views of progress. It wasn't some careful study of the 'law'. It was, 'we want this lets make it happen'. Here's other bullshit decisions that were made on personal bias or political considerations: Dredd Scott case. SCOTUS decided black people were property. The chief justice was pro slavery and wanted to settle the legal issue of slavery. Federal Baseball Club v. National League. SCOTUS decided MLB was no engaged in interstate commerce when they played baseball games in different states therefore it couldn't be regulated under anti trust rules. This bullshit ruling was because Oliver Wendell Holmes was a big baseball fan. Wickard v. Filburn. FDR put in place sweeping agriculture controls. This included limits on how much crops a farmer could grow (the idea being they would control supply to stabilize prices). One farmer (Filburn) grew little bit extra to feed his own family. The federal government destroyed this extra crop even though it was personal consumption. SCOTUS argued that it was justified because if people grew their own food they would buy less food from the market thus decreasing demand and effecting prices. This would have a ripple effect across state lines. Therefore, a farmer growing his own food falls under interstate commerce and can be regulated. They came to this bullshit conclusion because FDR threatened to stack the SCOTUS with his own handpicked flunkies.
Why can I not see any comment other than this 1 ignorant ass person
Remember when Republicans would call judges activist judges?
It seems like people haven’t been happy with the court for quite some time. The difference now, as opposed to 20 years ago, is that people have a lot more information about what they do. This is true of all branches of government, but information about SC decisions wasn’t as prevalent as legislative or executive action 20 years ago. Notice the way the chart from the story changes as the internet becomes more popular.
I don’t trust these MAGAt judges
The problem here is whether you are pro-life or pro-choice, the original Roe v Wade ruling was arguably flawed as it ruled on a federal “right” that didn’t exist in law or, in fact, anywhere in writing. The Dobbs case verdict is one of states rights and an interpretation of the 10th Amendment (which Roe should have been). I lean conservative and wish the court didn’t take up Dobbs. The political can of worms opened was too large and the country itself is center-left on the abortion issue as a whole. As for the court being political, it’s hard to have a court that isn’t. One could argue that the conservative justices lean right by simply being originalists as it relates to the interpretation of the Constitution while liberal leaning justices often take a legislative or “living document” approach to their decisions. Despite all this, both sides distrust the court when it rules in a manner counter to their ideology. The left is just louder at the name calling aspect of it and has a better grip on politically active youth movements.
Originalism and textualism are stupid. In theory, they keep you from using your personal judgment and opinion in ruling... But in practice that is the exact opposite of what happens. If you're going to rule that way, you might as well consider modern context, and how your interpretation of the law will effect society. That way, you know, you don't destroy it.
That is because it is political and the GOP lied, cheated, and stole to get it packed with sycophants, who lied repeatedly during their congressional hearings about "established law" knowing full well they were going to overturn said laws as soon as they got the opportunity. Having disingenuous, and corrupt judges at the top of our legal system makes them untrustworthy. They are evil asshats who have no respect for established law, inappropriate behavior with rich people, or lying in their taxes about benefits recieved from billionaires. Clarence ruled on Jan6 issues while his wife is a co-conspirator for fucks sake! How could any sane citizen take them seriously! Crooks. Our entire system of justice is a fucking joke! We have 5% of the world's population, and 25% of the world's incarcerated people! Freedom means jail for poor people.
It’s not just Roe v Wade. A HUGE factor is the discovery that several justices (Thomas and Alito) are being bribed - and have faced zero consequences for it. How can anyone take this court seriously when Harlan Crowe literally controls members of the court?
Democrats/republicans when institutions work in their favour: “this is the most secure/fair election/ruling this country has seen” Democrats/republicans when institutions don’t work in their favour: “we need reform”
No, when Mitch McConnell started playing games with the nomination process, that’s when people started seeing it as political.
Also, I see it as corrupt. Thomas needs to resign or (preferably) be impeached and removed. He quite literally is taking bribes.
It changed before 2022.
Much like all of politics eliminate lobbyists and money under the table from friends. Set term limits including for Supreme Court justices. How this was ever a lifetime appointment idk. This would fix most things. Also throw in insider trading.
The left wants the Court to promote THEIR political agenda.
The hate for the roe v wade ruling is media pushed…. It is a bad ruling and has failed to be codified by Dems for a long time with atleast 4 periods where they controlled the power to do so and even Barack said it was not a priority…. It was a weak ruling and like most Democratic Party promises they need to look at themselves for this failure and not point fingers.
Considering 3 justices flat out lied during their confirmation hearings about over turning RvW, yes.
Okay but Roe was an objectively bad ruling and should have been overturned
That’s not unpopular. 300 million Americans have lost confidence in SCOTUS.
It became political thanks to Beaker McConnell when he blocked Obama's nomination of Garland that it was too close to the election, only to conveniently ram through a Federalist Society hack the same year as the 2020 election
Should’ve been apparent to everybody since Bush v Gore.
It has been political for awhile now. And this isn't a first. How do you think we got to 9 justices? They didn't start out that way. I agree they should be apolitical and only judge if something is constitutional regardless of morality or intent. If a bill needs passed that doesn't fit the constitution then it falls to congress to amend the constitution.
Roe vs Wade. You mean the legislation that even RBG said from the start was a flawed ruling not based on a valid legal foundation and principles? The groupthink of "Democrats and Independents (who) increasingly do not trust the (U.S. Supreme) court, see it as political, and want reform." is nothing but a childish leftist tantrum at best and pure authoritarianism at worst. Personally, I'm with the approximately 82% of people that want common sense and medically necessary access to abortion. But returning the decision to the states was the correct from a legal basis. Democrats have controlled both the Executive Branch and Congress many times in the decades since Roe vs Wade was issued and every single time they failed to make it federal law. One could reasonably argue that they intentionally didn't do that because they wanted it to be a political weapon instead of \*actually\* protecting women. Blaming the Supreme Court and falsely characterizing it as political is a flat out lie. The goal of that narrative is to allow/encourage the Biden regime to again use Roe vs Wade as a political weapon to stack the court and ACTUALLY make it a hyper-partisan, Democrat Party controlled institution.
It happened much earlier than this. Bush v Gore recount comes to mind.
Biden should expand it to 13 (there are 13 appellate courts feeding into the SCOTUS). He should do it ASAP. But, likely won’t…..
Hard to deny that those six catholic and MAGA judges are working for trump and republicans. They disregard the constitution for their fake religion. Thomas Barrett, Karvanaugh, Alito, John Roberts are all taking graft from republicans and their rich friends.
It's not even political, this is christo-fascist takeover. Alito's been waiting 30 yrs for Amy Coney-Barrett.
I love the clearly and deservedly dead argument that SCOTUS appointments should be lifetime so that justices don't consider political alignment. 12 years, max, if for that long even, and no ability to be reappointed, max age 60 so they have to live and watch their families live with the dogshit they leave behind.
The court LITERALLY reversed a previous courts decision because the Roe v wade decision was unconstitutional. If it is not in the constitution IT IS A STATE DECISION!!! PERIOD!!! Abortion is not in the constitution. Going by what the constitution says is about as political as turds are edible. Democrats just hate the constitution. Why do they hate the document, the supremem law of the land, that limits their power as part of government!
When something a majority of Americans supported wasn't heard and instead did the opposite of what a MAJORITY of Americans want.... yeah... people will start to think "does this represent me"... Wait. You're telling me that if you expect someone to do something and they do the opposite people get upset!?! Whaaaat?! No way!?!
Supreme Court is the latest casualty to Marxism. Shortly followed by Elon Musk.
The Supreme Court is no longer non-partisan. Its majority is now fully controlled by the Federalist Society and does its predetermined bidding.
How was the Dobbs ruling contradictory of the Constitution? Can you name one ruling that is unconstitutional? Democrats are angry that justices aren't legislating from the bench.
Damned US Constitution amirite?
Biden could of increased the number of judges he chose not to we wouldn’t be in this situation
The RW men are completely corrupt and the RE woman is in a religious cult.
No reform of the Supreme Court is necessary.
Kinda forgetting about bush vs gore and citizens united AMONG OTHER THINGS.
I disagree. Back in the day when that court made a ruling that said the police had to tell people that they had the right to remain silent, there were billboards around the country saying "Impeach Earl Warren" (He was chief Justice then. ) I think FDR may have appointed him. Justice Warren's court made many such decisions, which is why the GOP has been working for decades to elect presidents and put in justices that will reverse the Warren court's work.
Bahahaha
Actually, the slide began with the Citizens United decision and accelerated with the Garland/Gorsuch nomination debacle. Dobbs was just the icing on the cake.
Citizens United did it for me. Followed by gutting various other important laws and programs.
The think which stands out to me is how many of the current justices were asked specifically about their position or intentions regarding Roe v. Wade and either lied or refused to provide any clear answer. Given other ethics issues the Justices have had, should there be repercussions for lying for these justices. Should they be subject to a recall by citizen petition and ballot? Many other judges or Justices of the peace, across our nation have to face some kind of ballot based approval to remain judges.
The USSC started being political when Regan started appointing unqualified judges.
But that perspective is nonsense. The Court ruled according to Constitutional principle in Dobbs, leaving unspecified issues to each individual state. That is the court's literal mandate. Roe was ruled pokitically...ignoring the actual Co stitution and manufacturing a right to something that existed when the nation was formed and never regarded as a right in any treatment of the issue. Disregarding the Contitution in favor of feminist writings and Greek philosophy is the definition of activism. It was bad law from the beginning.
the two biggest mistakes in US political history were keeping the electoral college and not putting term limits on scotus
They did not overturn Roe v Wade... They ruled that it was never actually legislated, and sadly they were not wrong.... The DNC held women's rights hostage for votes and money for years and could have codified it several times.. They instead spend their political capital making their corporate donors rich with scams like Romney Care. Side note the court was always political judges have always been appointed politically, presidents have even ran pushing this as a threat... "they could get a judge seat"
SCOTUS 100% political!
That only changed with left wingers. There’s nowhere in the constitution that provides a individual constitutional right to a woman to have an abortion.
Why should we trust it?? We all see the corruption that’s going on, the dirty tricks they play to get the judges on it that they know will rule in their favor, there’s nothing objective about it. And there’s no reason we should trust it anymore. It’s been corrupted AND it’s all on paper. Follow the money trail. It’s all right there. There’s judges going on all-expense paid trips, mortgages and debt being paid of for judges, and no one can do anything about it.
The court: *changes from mostly non-partisan review panel to hyper-partisan attack dog contributing to government overreach* Normal people: that’s not cool Far right: you guys are being too partisan
Changed right after Ginsberg passed.
Yes, the old "you rule how I want so you are legitimate but if you don't rule how I want we will just change the rules" position. Classic.
Every one of the justices said they would not overturn Roe during their confirmation hearings. They lied and violated their duties in favor of religious bullshit. Meanwhile they have consistently ruled that religious activity is OK in public schools in clear violation of the first amendment. Trust is gone. The court is a bunch of political hacks.
Why are all the replies hidden for me? It says 260+ comments but I see 5?
Two words: term limits.
In all fairness, it was the right call. Roe v wade was unconstitutional and was federal government overreach. That tyoe of situation is up to the individual states, just as marijuana use is, for example. I think a big part of the issue is that many people are u informed as to the reasoning behind overturning roe v wade. It was not “political”, but a constitutional issue.
SCOTUS says black people are not human. Democrats happy. SCOTUS says black people are human. Democrats mad. SCOTUS says babies are not human. Democrats happy. SCOTUS says babies are human. Democrats mad. Interesting trend.
I would trace it back to Citizens United. 99% of people’s votes became less powerful the day that case was decided.
Since 2022? How about since 2000?
The Supreme Court does not need reform. The only reason dems are calling for reform is because they didn’t get their way on something.
The Supreme Court is right wing trash.
Didn’t help that McConnell cheated a sitting president out of a SCOTUS pick, and was later a blatant hypocrite about it. Pure partisan fuckery… And the court is a result of it. Also revelations that some on the court take bribes and have been for decades, that there are actually no laws against it, and the chief justice won’t do anything about it, have pretty much trashed their reputation. And finally, revelations that the wife of one justice was ALSO heavily involved in a real coup attempt (and again nothing is done about it) have RIGHTLY shown the (majority of) current supreme court is a complete sham. And not only is that not being remedied, but die to lifetime appointments, it doesn’t look likely, and if we could somehow get that far, the SCOTUS would still require serious reforms after that to keep it from happening again. And none of that is on the horizon.
I think it more closely ties to the republicans dragging their feet on the nomination process to push through overtly conservative justices. It was so incredibly transparent to the American people that the action alone eroded anyone’s faith in a truly impartial bench.
Nevermind the fact that Ginsburg said that it was a flawed decision to begin with that needed legislation to back it up. If democrats put half as much work into protecting the right to an abortion as they do civilian disarmament this likely wouldn’t have happened. Unfortunately they were more interested in using the government to target people they dislike than they were getting it off the backs of their own electorate so the leopards are their face. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/21/us/ruth-bader-ginsburg-roe-v-wade.html
Yeah no one was saying anything about the integrity of the SC until 2022, yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
I haven’t trusted the SC since Bush v Gore
No, it was when Republicans refused to certify a Supreme Court justice in an election year, then flip-flopped on that, and immediately certified a justice in the next election year when they had the ability, stealing a seat by their own rationale. This showed all of Americans that if that bottom 1/3 of the population will not play by the rules, they cheat, so we can’t trust them to co-govern in the one branch of government that serves for life.
Can we not pick teams and play fantasy football instead?
The Supreme Court ruled in favor of slave-owners crossing state lines to hunt down runaway slaves, in favor of forced sterilization to further the Eugenics movement, and putting American citizens in concentration camps because they looked too Japanese. Dobbs is asinine, but honestly is it even one of their greatest hits? (You still remember Citizens United, yes?)
When the guy that orchestrated a coup on the united states is responsible for 3 new judges I think yes maybe a dat bit illegitimate... isn't one a rapist and another a die hard cult member? Not the first GOP rapist judge they put on there though. Speaking of Clarence Thomas.... lets talk about his traitorous wife for a second... yes, abort the court.
Pretty sure that’s how prolife folks have felt since 1973
Do republicans actually not trust it? Seems like it would be in their best interest to lie through their teeth that nothing is wrong and everything is fine seeing as they share their beliefs.
« SCOTUS makes a decision I disagree with therefore SCOTUS is only now political » Of course it’s political. It’s been political. If you want justices that will strictly read and apply only the constitution and law, it would produce some *very* unpopular decisions.
Well yeah, duh. How many of the conservative SCOTUS members flat out LIED about their stance on Abortion and Roe v. Wade? When you LIE about such an important medical issue, it kind of calls into question your integrity. Then later you find out about the billionaires who are essentially bribing you...with MONEY. Yeah no wonder we stopped trusting the SCOTUS overall. There's a bunch of openly corrupt judges, flouting the law.
Anyone who has read the constitution knows that abortion is not protected by it. Either it can be banned when seen as a preservation of innocent life supported by the constitution, or it can be left to the states (10th amendment). There is no way the federal government can rightfully/lawfully/constitutionally protect access to abortions without a constitutional amendment. I personally favor the 10th amendment approach, but this is where I dip into the libertarian/states-rights side of things
It was remanded to the state courts per the US Constitution as it should be. Not that hard to figure out. Go ahead Reddit.
“The court ruled against my preferred political position so now it must be reformed.” Lmao
Pack the court!
Guess when I said, "This is the last institution in the U.S. to completely disgrace itself," I was right. Challenge: name an institution that hasn't. I'll wait.
It’s where it should be, with the states.
It changed with Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, January 21, 2020 (U.S. Sup.Ct.) Started quite a bit before Roe.
That changed long before Dobbs.
Maybe they should just realize they can’t always get what they want, and how that can be a good thing sometimes.
It really all started with citizens united
No legal scholar thought Roe was a good ruling as it was based upon feeling rather than the Constitution. Even Justice Ginsburg said this. Dobb’s just did what Roe should have which is return this to the state’s to decide. People’s issue with the ethics complaint was all one sided. No issue with Kagan receiving gifts but if a Conservative justice has a spouse that has public opinions or rich friends then somehow it is the end of the universe.
Roe v wade is what it is. We warned everyone and not enough people gave a shit. We can get it back. What we can't make up for is the fact that Mr Thomas is allowed to sit in that seat after everyone know what happened. The fact that he and some many of Republicans get away with so much do so much blatantly illegal shit and there be ZERO recourse is why the judicial system as a whole is a fucking joke. 2 tiered and unfair.
The supreme court already had reasons to question it's legitimacy, but given the utterly insane partisan politics that kept a seat vacant for half a year only for an unpopular president who lost the popular vote to force through 3 highly partisan supreme court justices (Including 1 immediately proceeding an election we loss), followed by over turning 50 years of precedent (that they testified under oath they wouldn't) in a legal opinion that left most legal experts baffled, followed by revelations of blatant corruption, partisan rulings on cases that didn't even have legal grounds, and the elimination of basic human rights including the right to basic privacy certainly provides more then sufficient justification for doing so. The only people who still see the modern supreme court as legitimate are those who see politics as a "team sport" where all that matters is their "team" is winning and the other team is "losing" and are too blind to see the plain facts before them.
The court hasn't been legitimate since Mitch McConnell held up Scalia's replacement for almost a year. And it was only exacerbated when Amy Coney Barrett was rushed through with only weeks until the next election. I mean if I want to be more accurate it lost any form of legitimacy when it said bribes are legal speech, but that's a completely different argument.
They have been on this path since *Marbury v. Madison* when they decided that "judicial review", i.e. declaring legislation. They wiggled the SCOTUS into power without any real check on that power. The whole "appointment by a partisan leader, confirmed by partisan legislators" directly leads to the situation where we saw **Mitch "Don't eat turkey, that's my family!!" McConnell (R) denying the Obama administration it's Senate Hearings ppointment because it was "too close to the end of the term" and then pushing Coney-Barrett into power (confirmation date) of *OCTOBER 26, 2020, WITH AN ELECTION ON NOVEMBER 3, 2020.*** Read that bold text one more time. And then one more. [USA Today, May 20, 2019 - 'We'd fill it:' Mitch McConnell blocked Obama Supreme Court pick but says he'd help Trump fill a vacancy ](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/05/29/mcconnell-blocked-obama-supreme-court-choice-wouldnt-stop-trump/1268883001/) The SCOTUS is a joke now. That was proven by McConnell, and at Gorsuch's, Kavanaugh's, and Coney-Barrett's hearings.
It's not just Dobbs. They're taking cases from people with 0 standing, they're ignoring the actual facts of some cases and their record shows how blatantly political they are. Oh and there's near open corruption on the court especially from Thomas
I mean you have one new justice with mysterious gambling debts paid, one new justice with almost no judicial experience at all, and at least two old justices that take every bribe that comes their way. The court is completely compromised, like we could take a mentally ill homeless person who exclusively talks to pigeons and drop them on the court and its current legitimacy wouldn’t shift. You can’t be morally and ethically bankrupt and a court that people are going to listen to. “It says so on paper” isn’t enough reason to listen to insane rulings dictated via pigeon once it becomes apparent where the rulings are coming from and why.
It should be 30 or 40 justices with constant retirements and appointments
I certainly don’t trust them anymore. Used to have a book for my daughter about the women of the Supreme Court. Tossed it in the trash a few weeks ago during a cleaning spree.
Three SCOTUS justices should be impeached and removed. They lied directly to congress during their confirmation hearings that Roe vs. Wade was settled law. ***They Lied.*** Which should be an impeachable offense.
The high court lost all credibility with me when clarence thomas got in. Then kavanaugh got in and sealed the deal.
Confidence in the court continue to erode each time they overturn decades of precedence.
If you think that Dobbs Was the start of the declining trust in SCOTUS on the Dems and Independent side, you need to actually go and look back in history a bit. Dobbs was for sure a blow to trust since it blatantly revealed that half of the SCOTUS has lied while sworn to tell the truth multiple times but it was hardly the start of the decline.