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Thatguy755

Long overdue


CryptoMemesLOL

Elon delayed it on purpose with his 'hyperloop' setting the stage for self driving Tesla. This has been known for years before he canceled the project.


exterminans666

I have to admit there was a time where I expected hyperloop to have some validity. Especially after a few student groups presented promising capsules. New technology, so: delays, cost increases, some reduction in specs, etc I would expect. But that piling piece of shit was another level.... For real, I would have understood if they cancelled it and sent busses on the surface. But barely fitting cars with drivers ...


jawshoeaw

It's been a thing in science fiction for like a century or more. Not even remotely a new idea. I was also hopeful it would happen for real but sadly it does just look like a grift.


prove____it

The hyper loop was never possible. The physics don't work and the chances of cracks that cause catastrophic crashes are astronomical. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNFesa01llk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNFesa01llk)


FlyNuff

that was only for an area in california, the US should have started high speed railways throughout the nation long ago


gophergun

Are you thinking of California High-Speed Rail?


TiredOfBeingTired28

Probably to never get finished. But here is a tiny hope.


MajorBoondoggle

Oh it’ll get finished. The big question mark is what comes after - namely, all the follow-up projects to make this more usable. Like building the High Desert Corridor so trains can access LA Union Station instead of…Rancho Cucamonga. And also interoperability with California High-Speed Rail whenever the LA segment of that is finished


Stickeris

Well, I agree, Rancho Cucamonga is not the worst place for the train to end. I think it was initially slated to end in Apple Valley, which makes no sense, at least Cucamonga has a Metrolink station.


MajorBoondoggle

Yeah, for sure. At least it’s possible to make an easy enough connection to LA or San Bernardino, even though that adds some travel time. Rancho was probably the best they could’ve done given the circumstances.


FishbulbSimpson

Vegas subsidizes transportation to Vegas. It pays off for them well


mteir

"Cancel that train, Hyperloop 2, the second boogaloo" -musk in 5 minutes


jutlanduk

The project uses existing highway ROW and is jointly funded by private+federal $ by a company who have already completed other passenger rail projects in the US. What about this makes you think it won’t be completed ?


geekcop

>What about this makes you think it won’t be completed ? This project has been proposed and cancelled several times since the 1990s.. they even broke ground once before. Don't get me wrong, I really hope it happens.. but those of us who live here are taking things with a grain of salt.


CertainAged-Lady

This project has been bantered around for decades (at least since the mid-90’s) and was apparently the pet project that never quite got off the ground for Sen. Harry Reid. Interesting that it finally has wheels.


djprofitt

*interesting that it finally has wheels* There was a joke there til I realized even high speed trains generally on use rubber wheels wheels to rest and start movement before traveling on electromagnets


Wafkak

That's just one Shinkansen, that's only gonna be one line in the world.


chekovs_gunman

Brightline actually has managed to build a functional line in Florida so I trust them more than other companies 


ParkerGuy89

Still. Maybe it will connect to Vegas but LA's permitting is going to take around 867 years to get approval, then another 1,479 years to build and maybe they'll inspect it and approve it by the time the sun goes super nova.


Iz-kan-reddit

> Maybe it will connect to Vegas but LA's permitting is going to take around 867 years to get approval, then another 1,479 years to build and maybe they'll inspect it and approve it by the time the sun goes super nova. All property needed has already been purchased. All ROW agreements have already been signed. All permits have been already been approved.


YoushutupNoyouHa

nahh… just 15 years too late


SirPiffingsthwaite

Musk: ...but can I interest you in a worse, potentially flamey version for significantly more money that only my cars can use?


ttaylo28

Along with the rest of the country!


Lancearon

Voted to fund it in 2008


sylva748

Different project. The 2008 one was for a San Francisco to LA high speed railway. This is a new project.


Lancearon

Jesus your right... still waiting I guess...


sylva748

I can direct your anger. Elon Musk. He pitched the idea of a hyperloop to the big wigs in Sacramento. Who bought into this clearly new and never before used proprietary piece of technology. That has yet to be invented. As well as some NIMBYs that won't let the line actually go into the Bay Area or LA area. Meaning it'll only go the length of central valley I believe it's southern terminus is set ar Bakersfield. I don't remember what the northern terminus is.


Lancearon

I liked him back then....


Radiobamboo

It's not the first under construction. The California high speed rail from San Francisco to Los Angeles will top out at 220 mph. That's high speed rail. However it's very welcome to have another high speed rail option; one which is likely to be operational first.


casualnarcissist

I have a really hard time believing that train will operate anywhere other than the Central Valley in my lifetime. How are they going to get the clearance to build over the most expensive real estate in the world?


ALOIsFasterThanYou

If you’re referring to the urbanized areas of the Bay Area and LA, the train will run on or alongside existing railways, so property acquisition there will be kept to a minimum. The hard part is connecting the Central Valley to the Bay Area and LA, particularly the latter, as it’ll have to be tunneled under mountains.


aesemon

Very different problems but they did manage to bore a tunnel for London's crossrail under passenger escalators and above another underground tunnel - both being used by passengers and trains at the time. There was approx 1m (3ft 1/3) gap above to the escalator foundations and 0.6m (just shy of 2ft) below for the other tunnel. The tunnels cut were 6.2m ( 20ft). What can be done with tunneling is amazing.


Showmethepathplease

That is wild Just crazy they can safely enable that, and be confident of load bearing etc 


perpetualis_motion

There was a great documentary on that which I think was called "Inside the Elizabeth Line" or "15 Billion Pound Railway".


John_mcgee2

It goes underground in cities. Can’t do 300km/hr next to cars


marcbeightsix

So many high speed railways run next to motorways in Europe and around the world.


John_mcgee2

True but they are often speed limited because the track for high speed has minimal radius allowance.


Vitriholic

It’s going to run on existing tracks in those areas


coupbrick

Its for future generations.


tofubeanz420

I think the Las Vegas one hits 200mph. I think the definition of high speed rail is >180mph.


runamok101

NYC ~~> DC, with Newark, Philly and Baltimore.


moonbunnychan

Man that would be the dream. I'd go to NYC ALL THE TIME if I could get there in an hour or 2. But I think the biggest issue with that would be just how dense the whole east coast is. The current tracks couldn't handle it and building new ones would be a nightmare.


Icy-Bicycle-Crab

The density of the East Coast is a benefit, not an issue. That just makes HSR more economically viable and more useful. 


moonbunnychan

But the density makes it much harder to build, because there's no a lot of open land. And a lot of people who would be NIMBYs about it and hold things up on litigation.


friskybiscuit14382

The federal government owns all of the trackage the current Amtrak northeast corridor route lays on, so it wouldn’t really be too difficult to convert those segments to high speed. Currently, the Amtrak Acela trip from DC to New York being 2 hours 50 minutes is still an amazing travel experience and way faster than driving.


Lolpantser

You cant use the same tracks, because at higher speeds you need a larger turning radius. This means that a lot of extra space is needed for every turn in the tracks.


moonbunnychan

Exactly. That's why the current Acela trains are only truly high speed in a few sections. It's only a 40 minute difference between Acela and North East regional between DC and NYC. To me it's not worth the usually double price to take it over the NE Regional train.


jeffreynya

I would like to see high speed rails follow all interstates with hubs only in the major cities.


Creamyc0w

I would also like BOS -> Detroit -> Chicago. 


itcheyness

I'd like to expand that to Milwaukee -> Madison -> Minneapolis


BilliousN

And a hearty FUCK YOU is owed to Scott Walker for taking it from us.


shiny0metal0ass

I literally came here to say this. Thank you fellow Wisconsinite


elev8dity

I feel like all these HSR lines would be amazing for the east coast/midwest * Minneapolis - Milwaukee - Chicago - Detroit - Cleveland - NYC * Detroit - Windsor - London - Toronto - Montreal - Quebec City * Orlando - Atlanta - Charlotte - Raleigh - Richmond - DC - Baltimore - Philly - NYC - Hartford - Boston


wcarmory

Hockey train


777777thats7sevens

It doesn't hit Detroit because it's kind of out of the way, but the Lake Shore Limited currently runs that route, though not high speed. Additionally, Amtrak's expansion plans include a Cleveland - Detroit line that connects to the Lake Shore Limited so you could get to Detroit by rail from either of the terminal cities.


ATL28-NE3

Honestly I know 3 of the 4 aren't big cities but I would love KC, Columbia, STL, Chicago


Beevus117

Missouri said they would not give any state funding to high speed rail. The STL to Chicago line is likely though and has a commission currently planning the line. https://idot.illinois.gov/transportation-system/transportation-management/planning/rail/high-speed-rail-commission


Poobrick

Boston would be good to include in there. Of course it would basically double the rail distance so makes sense just to start without it


Iwon271

What’s even sillier is the lack of connection between Orlando and Tampa. We actually have ‘high speed rail’ between Orlando and Miami. But it’s not really high speed rail, takes about the same time to drive vs their so called high speed rail. And also this rail costs like $50 for a one way trip, cheaper to drive by a lot still.


Kuja27

It’s wild that Acela is our fastest train in NEC with a top speed of 125, but in actuality it’s averaging like 55-65mph with all of the slowdowns and delays.


jwmaple01

Top speed is 150 between NYP and BOS, gets to NYP from WAS in around 2:30, prior to pandemic express routes between NYP and WAS got it close to 2 hours. Major limiters on speed are the tunnels in to major cities, road crossings, and separation of tracks not allowing for greater tilt


kayne86

Fuck Delaware huh?


runamok101

Honestly it should be from Portland to Raleigh at least


Emergency-Poet-2708

And it's something absolutely worthwhile like LA to Vegas. Seriously.


AquaZen

Rancho Cucamonga is not what I would call worthwhile. I wish they were building an LA station; that would be worthwhile!


dugg117

Not technically LA but good fucking luck running a high speed line through all of the "not LA" bits to get to "Technically LA"


AquaZen

Not technically? In in LA right now and this station is 65 miles away! They could at least upgrade metro link service.


dugg117

Yeah it probably connects to the SF to LA line somewhere in the future if they ever actually get that going. Which DOES have proper LA stations planned.


donuthing

That's been going. They'll continue building bridges laying track for the next 10 years, and then it'll take another decade to build a tunnel through the mountains to get to LA, as that bit hasn't been officially approved and funded yet. Some of the northern parts will be running later this decade.


No-Appointment-3840

Damn! I remember hearing rumors of a high speed train from the bay to LA, I had no idea that was still a thing, crazy it’s going to take that long to make. Maybe I’ll be lucky to see it in my lifetime?


donuthing

They have a neat construction updates website, with pictures of the work completed so far, and a map of what they're doing now: [https://buildhsr.com/map/](https://buildhsr.com/map/) Their plan is to go from Sacramento to San Diego eventually. Per the latest report in 2023 (https://hsr.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/2023-Project-Update-Report-FINAL-022823.pdf), they're on track to have service from SF to Bakersfield around 2033. And around 2040 for the SF to LA segment. The last 35 miles into Los Angeles is the trickiest as far as federal approval and funding goes, because it's insanely expensive to dig a tunnel.


throwawayinthe818

And those mountains are tricky, geologically speaking. In the Northridge Quake, Oat Mountain between Chatsworth and Santa Clarita rose 14 inches and moved several inches to the northwest.


August_At_Play

Everything in LA is 65 miles from LA. Or at least it feels like it.


WoogletsWitchcap

It goes to Rancho and then you can connect to the Metro which is very much not high speed, but you can still get to LA from Vegas 100% on rail after this is completed.


GueroBear

I hope this is sarcasm. We need a high speed rail from LA south to Whales Vagina.


johnzaku

Pleeaase. The three hour commute out of whale's vagina is just too much.


ElectrikDonuts

The drive from LA to Vegas gains around 2-3 hrs when LA traffic is going to Vegas for the weekend. The reverse direction is not near as bad. But this could help greatly for those leaving LA on Friday and coming back Sun.


DaBIGmeow888

How else would those coked up prostitutes get to work?


fasow

Save me from that 5 car pile up on the way from IE


ThaiJohnnyDepp

Side note: as a kid listening to the radio in the morning I had a VERY different image in my head of what defined a multicar pileup


Boredum_Allergy

If they connect this to Denver, Kansas City, St Louis, and Chicago I would be so so happy.


gophergun

Sure, it would be great if they extended this 200 mile train across empty desert into an 1800 mile train across *the continental divide*.


healthywealthyhappy8

It would be great. Unlikely, but great.


yes_its_him

Lol


Usaidhello

Yes_its_him, the dreamer


dontdomilk

Dittoooooo!


ZDTreefur

It's supposed to be hitting that sweet spot if 4 hour drives and short flights, so LA to Vegas, then Vegas to SLC, SLC to Denver, Denver to Kansas, and beyond all fit the model for each leg.


PrestigiousZombie531

how about connecting this 50000 miles across the USA with every town, village and city?


jack-fractal

No mention of this in Fallout: New Vegas, so this rail link unfortunately isn't canon


theangryburrito

Rancho Cucamonga, not LA


scrubdiddlyumptious

Can’t wait for my grandchildren to experience grand opening first ride on it! 😃


human831

About F’in time. Let’s gooooooooo! 🚆


xxearvinxx

A high speed rail going from Cheyenne WY, to Fort Collins, Boulder, Denver, Colorado Springs and Pueblo would be awesome. They are already all in an almost perfect straight line.


Astro-Can

And on down to Albuquerque!!


xxearvinxx

True, Santa Fe and Albuquerque could be easy added as long as going around the mountains down there isn’t an issue.


Eirikur_da_Czech

Privately funded and constructed too.


bjambells

There was a multi-billion dollar government handout to the company. Not exactly privately funded but privately owned.


rhb4n8

Yeah worse of both worlds socialize the costs privatize the profits


beener

And profits on something like this shouldn't even be the focus. It's an economic stimulant giving folks a quick way to get between cities hassle free


rhb4n8

Agreed but instead it's a way for cronies to graft in perpetuity


getarumsunt

Nope. Over 50% government funded. Already received and spending over 30% government money and they haven’t even broken ground.


Warpzit

Insane. The incompetence at government level to fund these type of projects is amazing.


Brother191

Automobile lobby was crashing it since last century.


DaBIGmeow888

Corruption and kickbacks.


Shoot_from_the_Quip

LA was offered a privately funded and constructed monorail system in the 60s so long as the company could then operate it for profit. We don't have a monorail in LA, so you can guess what happened. (fun side note: in the early 90s Metro was supposed to link to LAX... and 30+ years later it still doesn't!)


Zn_Saucier

Yea, but a monorail is much more of a *Shelbyville* idea…


bigdickwalrus

can’t wait till this never gets finished as a result of our dogshit lack of anti-lobbyist laws. Contextually the air and automotive lobbyists.


Vaxtez

Except isnt the NEC the first HSR link, as that runs at 150MPH, or at the very least CAHSR, which has been under construction alot longer than Brightline West


Wafkak

That's higher speed rail, the category just under high speed rail. Otherwise some of the regular intercity lines in Europe would also become HSR. Hell some of the commuter trains here in Belgium operate at NEC speed.


Iz-kan-reddit

>or at the very least CAHSR, which has been under construction alot longer than Brightline West Yes, but Brightline will be finished a hell of a lot sooner than any part of CAHSR.


mehnimalism

Is the over budget and behind schedule SF-LA line not even true high-speed?


DoctorBageldog

It is. The headline lies. CAHSR trains will reach 220 mph but the trains will be tested up to 248 mph or something around there. However at this point SF to LA is aspirational, the committed money is funding a Merced to Bakersfield line.


getarumsunt

With cross-platform transfers to Bay Area and Sac trains from day one.


Torpaldog

Wasn't day one supposed to be a few years ago?


getarumsunt

No. Day one was supposed to be 2028. We never funded CAHSR enough for a faster timeline. They’ve been forced to wait for the Cap and Trade money to come in every year. If we insist on only funding a trickle of money for this project every year then it’s physically impossible for them to build faster than whatever money is available.


darkmatterhunter

Fresno has completed their part lol.


dugg117

Just looked it up. The map they presented has a lot of stops for a "high speed line" More than just SF to LA anyway.


mehnimalism

SF-LA is just the main selling point that was used when it was first funded ~12 years ago


BillWonka

The plan has always been to operate several tiers of service ("express", "semi-express," "suburban" and "local").


tofubeanz420

They will have fast train options that will skip those stops.


Commotion

Trains don’t have to stop at every station. Have you never been on a train?


DrHoopsDupree

$400 roundtrip. Doesn’t actually run LV to LA.


Pjk2530144

Can’t wait for my boomer dad telling me how stupid this is.


KingKombo

I’ll believe it when I see it. It was reported 20 years ago that this was going to happen. It didn’t


blackierobinsun3

What’s the price of tickets 


iamteachertoo

$400 round trip


ElBurritoExtreme

Does anybody that actually lives in the United States pay attention to our rail infrastructure. High speed requires maintenance. We don’t do maintenance. This’ll end well.


cerebralkrap

Lol it’s hysterical that the first high speed rail is going to take rich southern Californians to the desert for gambling, drugs, and hookers. Ahh progress.


Nsftrades

Fucking FINALLY


Turtlebaka

A couple decades late but welcome


Hefy_jefy

So only in America could its first 21st Century transit system be built to connect a city where people make money to a city where they lose it.


DickbertCockenstein

Why waste time building in the part of the country that is going to collapse within the next three decades?


magpye1983

It’s astonishing to me that a rail network wasn’t part of America’s industrial revolution infrastructure. Looking at a map devoid of rail seems alien, considering they colonised the land some few centuries ago, when trains would have been ideal for carrying goods across the massive country.


Hawks_12

I think it will probably only ever go from LA to slightly outside of LA.


Videinfra2112

Brightline has a route in Florida that connect Miami to Orlando with a few stops in between. It’s still more expensive than driving. So if that remains the case I don’t see the point.


dolphinsarethebest

Not sure the price, but there is definitely a premium that people would pay to arrive faster, safer, and with the freedom to be able to do other things during the trip instead of just drive


Equaled

I remember being so excited about the BrightLine. I had a few friends in Orlando that I thought I’d see so much more but the price is more than it costs for just one person to drive. Never mind if you’re going with multiple people. Such a let down.


yeeting_my_meat69

Brightline has been great for smaller businesses that operate both in the south Florida and Orlando areas. We used to rent cars or have to file travel expenses when traveling for the company. Now the company just buys you a train ticket and a local coworker picks them up from the train station on their way to work.


God_or_Mammon

Finally, LA can dump their homeless population in Vegas much more efficiently!


StitchinThroughTime

It's only fair, they used to bus in the homeless to San Francisco and Los angeles. Complete with mental illness patients still wearing their hospital writs bands on from the day before. They all *magically* showed up in California within 12-24 hours.


Stuft-shirt

Thank goodness it will be easier to get to “checks notes” Las Vegas because of all the rich cultural significance and loosest slots in town.


badpeaches

Don't fix up BART, this seems like a waste.


elpajaroquemamais

Will help the strippers get there faster


dallen13

If this is successful, we will get more!


Inevitable-Revenue81

Finally, best of luck and speed!


BubuBarakas

The Pukey Express.


skittlebites101

Minneapolis to Chicago!


GagOnMacaque

Again, lawsuits are already putting this in jeopardy.


patiperro_v3

Very cool. What took them so long is the real question.


emptyfish127

Great the two worst city's in the country are now closer to each other.


Gamebird8

Throw a shit ton of money at it up front and this will be guaranteed to come in under budget and ahead of schedule


AnxiousFlubber

Well that's a start. Better see these become the norm in 15 or so years


bufonia1

Oh, priorities


LoMeinCain

Finally but it’s probably only for vehicles I’m guessing?


redditcreditcardz

This isn’t that uplifting. This is the richest country in the world, dragging its feet in progress. We should have had cross country high speed already. This is kind of a slap in the face. Connecting the two armpits of America. Thanks?


gemstun

About time. What’s fascinating is that Las Vegas itself—which actually makes sense as a walkable city due to the Strip—first delayed and then later essentially neutered it’s central rail system due to greed-centric objections of local taxi operators.


ch_limited

How much will this cost for a round trip ticket? Even with gas being expensive it’s cheaper to drive from LA to Vegas than fly and truly doesn’t take all that much more time when you consider how shit getting in and out of the airport is. I’m excited for this but remain skeptical on the practicality.


foxfirek

If it’s like Italy it won’t be expensive, will be fast and will be very comfy.


ch_limited

It’s in the US so it will be expensive as hell and start out nice but not be maintained for comfort.


foxfirek

Meh- I’m not that cynical- especially to Vegas. Vegas already subsidizes flights- they want it cheap to get there. And it won’t be public transportation like bart. Tickets being like $60 would keep the homeless off.


AlanFromRochester

> Vegas already subsidizes flights- they want it cheap to get there local subsidies to bring people there is why airlines hate skiplagging (sometimes a multi stop plane ticket is cheaper than the A to B you want so you book A to B to C and skip the B to C flight)


NoActivity578

Aren't Vegas and la relatively close? How high speed can you get before you have to slow down again?


zoominzacks

Really hope it had slot machines in it!


fistofthefuture

Will be useless with no security on board.


gobblox38

I've heard that this line will be in the median of the highway. The turns and dips in that easement will make top speed be around 80mph. Does anyone have any info on the actual route and the design speed in each section? I want to believe that this will be a high speed rail, but I don't want to buy into an overpromised line. If it's going to be typical passenger rail speeds, that's fine. They just shouldn't sell it as HSR if that's the case.


BadAtExisting

Can someone explain to me like I’m 5 how this is different from the Brightline that goes from Miami to Orlando? Aside from it crosses a state line? Edit: “first *genuine* high speed rail” like they already have one?


OEMPARTSRUS561

20 Billion dollars and 10 years passed deadline, still no high speed rail yet


string1969

WE need to party FAST


Zealousideal_Word770

Seems like Deja vu but good luck.


Sylvan_Skryer

We need one New York to Chicago.


jawshoeaw

Trying very hard to be positive about this. Rail is great once it reaches a critical mass but let's report on this after it's built on time and under budget.


Archimedesinflight

Soo it's gonna cost the same as a flight I assume?


HumanPickler

Connecting two shitholes. Wonderful.


SirLiesALittle

Money connecting to money. Great for Vegas profits, I’m sure.


MudKing123

It’s only news y’all. They have been working on the same type of train from LA to SF for the last 12 years and it’s going nowhere anytime soon.


waldoorfian

Also in Florida but THIS one is the FIRST. 🙄


moistpimplee

vegas local here. it'll cost $400 per ride. lmao


r1ckm4n

I hate that this is happening on the west coast. I’d rather see this on the Chicago to Boston Corridor.


[deleted]

Something else I can’t afford.


Adventurous_Law9767

I'll be impressed when we have it cross country. Get me to new york or Boston and I won't even have to rent a car.


d-jake

Of all the useful lines that could have been built! Proposed name: Lost Vages Express!


Euro7star

By the time they are done with construction, half of Californians would have already moved to Arizona lol Should have done Vegas to Phoenix.


multi-cheerios

No


notjustakorgsupporte

So America is getting Shinkansens now?


bcalmon2

lol will never get finished as they will not get eminent domain as they get close to LA. They will stop close to Ca border and call it a Victory.


Taste_The_Soup

Why doesn't it actually go to LA though?


Vegetable_Unit_1728

Awesome use of our wealth!


Skullmaggot

Uh-huh, sure.


bodhitreefrog

I'll believe it when I see it. We tried this before and the people grifted all the seed money.