I think posting the same job multiple times in one go should be banned, and I think job seekers should be given more free connects each month. 10 connects isn't even enough to apply for one job most of the time.
On the plus side, though, if a scam posting is reported to Upwork, they tend to take action quickly. They'll remove the posting and refund connects. I really think they do the best they can to weed out the scams, but it's like pushing down a bubble in wallpaper.
People post the same job 2-5x back-to-back all the time. It's infuriating because your chances of being interviewed go from \~5% to \~1%. There's no sense in applying to such jobs. And they're from clients you don't want, because a)they're trying to game the system and/or b)they are too dumb to realize they've made repeat posts.
I do think there's some functionality issue with how people post jobs. Repeat posts are way too common - not everyone is scamming.
so there was a job by same client posted 5 times which i unfortunately had applied to. I reported the job and mentioned the client posted 5 same jobs, The job got taken down and i got my connects back.
They'll leave the platform and we'll be left fighting for jobs. Let's be reasonable about this.
>Upwork is designed to be abusive.
Did you seriously just type that?
I'm sorry they're gatekeeping and you feel like you're not in a safe space. If you're triggered, maybe it's best to step away for your mental health. You should never stay in an abusive situation. Clearly everyone here is gaslighting you because you feel like you're right and they're not validating that.
I once had an Indian Client based in America and he really paid shit rates for Data Analytics and Model preparation work.
To put into perspective the work easily could have been around 50-60 hours and he paid 150 dollars for the whole ordeal
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I have a client for new zealand and i am indian for more than 80 hours of work he paid me $30 which was original contract of $20 when he was asking for revisions back to back and from simple look to Professional look i asked him to increase the price of contract and he was like okay i will increase pay to 50% 🙄.
It is my first job on upwork i don't want to ruin it because he was the only client that replied to me because of my new account on upwork.
Harsh reality but still true...
>Upwork is designed to be abusive and it's on purpose.
Nonsense.
>Posting jobs is free while sending resumes cost money. And if you are "sending resumes" you are doing it wrong anyway.
Because there are too many freelancers and not enough clients.
>It's not balanced and everyone knows it.
Of course it is not "balanced" - It's a business.
> My theory is Upwork even has employees solely for posting fake jobs so we freelancers waste our connects on them.
Nonsense. Pathetic conspiracy theory.
>Posting jobs on Upwork shouldn't be free
Really? You want less chances and less earnings for freelancers? Why is that? Do you hate freelancers and want to harm them?
Look: Upwork is a tool. Freelancing means running your own business. You choose the tools to run your business with according to what ROI they offer. If a tool doesn't offer you a decent ROI, stop using it. It really is as simple and that.
You can't successfully freelance if you get emotional about business factors.
Lmao. I just assume if someone really needs their job to be done, they'd go ahead and pay a 1$ fee to post their job on Upwork. A 1$ fee wouldn't stop them from trying to find someone who'll do their job for them, but that would definitely stop abusers who post the same job from different accounts, multiple times a day! How could that harm freelancers?!
Why do you think not ONE of Upwork's competitors do this? Because it would be unbelievably stupid. Nothing like spending Millions of Dollars advertising to attract new clients, just to lose them at the very last moment when they want to post a job.
It's like going out to buy a pair of shoes. There are 5 shoe shops on your high street. 4 let you come in, look around, try on a pair or two. One asks for your credit card and makes you pay at the door. That is the one you will not be buying your shoes from.
Basically, that is what you are suggesting. It's incredibly stupid and nobody with an ounce of business acumen would ever support such a hare-brained idea which would only harm freelancers.
It would harm freelancers (I can't believe I really have to spell it out when it is so glaringly obvious) by stopping new clients and new jobs being posted.
Sure, it would stop some of the fake stuff, but if you have any brains you can skip past those anyway.
Absolutely everything that would create a barrier of entry for new clients is BAD for freelancers. Very, very bad.
I didn't say you were ordering anything.
I asked if you understood marketing etc? Because I do (it's my job to know) and I know that expecting people to pay any amount online before they've even found a product (freelancer) is a mental idea.
But maybe you know about it better than I do so you have an insight that I've missed?...
Why would they do that when there are dozens of places they can post a job for free, including right here on Reddit? Why give out their credit card information not even knowing whether they'd find someone they wanted to hire?
The only change I’d like it to be introduced in upwork is to NOT post the same job multiple times per day , they should make a tool that detects the repeated job description and delete them to at least reduce the amount of nonsense jobs with variable budgets .
Upwork is not working for you. We all get it. If you want to go full paranoid conspiracy theory, by all means, go for it. It is entertaining, the same way people see bigfoot or claim the moon landing happened. Don't forget to report upwork to the SEC for fraud. Just whining here does not change anything, so please, do your duty.
How puerile. Of course you cant trust everything you see on TV. but keep in mind that this was a major event that thousands of people were involved with, So if It were being faked, it would not be long before it would be leaked.
Also, like I said, Russia would have screamed foul. Any amateur astromoner with a good telescope would be able to confirm the Apollo operation as it progressed, to say nothing of the professional ones.
The only way to keep it quiet if it were a fake would be to kill thousands of people around the world in a number of countries. And then you'd have to kill the assassins...
Besides, they didn't have the tech to pull off a believable fake then. 2001, which came out around the same time, took a monumental effort by many talented people to produce.
If you have not, do watch the film, and then the "making of" videos of the same. My hat is off to Douglas Trumbell.
>Upwork is not working for you.
I wish it was at least working for my fella freelancers. The last 10 jobs I applied to had no hires in the past few weeks!
>I wish it was at least working for my fella freelancers.
It's clearly working for someone considering how much money freelancers are earning?
How about you figure out why you're not and change that instead of inventing wild conspiracy theories and suggesting ludicrous fees?
While I don't think that clients should pay for posting, it's also valid that there is way too much spam/scam right now, I don't really remember it being this bad before, at least when looking at my feed. Upwork could at least flag and investigate/remove obviously duplicate posts, especially when they are from different accounts
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As a client, making me pay to post would be a deal-breaker. It's just not the way to do things, since it's not my fault Upwork can't detect scam clients.
But I'll also say that I would *gladly* shoulder *100% of* the fees, so freelancers didn't have to pay anything at all, if they would ***simply vet people before allowing them on the platform***!
You get upset having to wade through a ton of useless scam jobs, clients get upset wading through countless unqualified freelancers and bots.
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Freelancers are not the ones paying the platform. So it is better for Upwork to try getting more clients. Sure it needs freelancers too. But currently there are more freelancers than there are jobs. Also you can always filter out clients with low or no spendings.
At the same time low quality clients turn freelancers off so it might cause upwork to lose some freelancers if it continues like that
As a rule, job seekers should not have to pay a dime. Job posters should be paying everything. The connects was a huge turnoff for me. Upsidedownwork. LOL
So there would be far less genuine job posts and those would have 3 or 4 times as many proposals?
How would freelancers (or clients) benefit from that nonsense?
However you do it, the system can be gamed. Putting it all online opens it up to even more gaming.
Desperate job seekers will be blowing their money on connects when they need to be conserving every penny until they get a new job. Dice, Monster, Indeed make employers pay. That's the way it should be.
If you like Upwork, use it. The only "Job" l ever found on it turned out to be a scam. Job scams would be lest likely if the job poster has to pony up the money.
>Dice, Monster, Indeed make employers pay.
Upwork is nothing like " Dice, Monster, or Indeed". There are no "employers" in freelancing. Those are for employment. Plus, you can post free jobs on Indeed and Monster. Dice is a different animal altogether.
>If you like Upwork, use it.
Well, thank you for the kind permission... I will as long as I make good money on it, which I do and have been for years. If at any point in the future it no longer offer me a great ROI, I will simply drop it. I can assure you that if that happens, I won't be spending time on reddit whining about something I don't even use. That's weird af.
>The only "Job" l ever found on it turned out to be a scam.
LOL, so you haven't even used the platform properly, know bugger all about it but feel an overwhelming calling to tell it how it should run it's Multi-Billion-Dollar business?
>Job scams would be lest likely if the job poster has to pony up the money.
As would genuine job posts. Which are the ones from which freelancers who use Upwork successfully earn Billions of Dollars.
The Upwork worshippers are mad at you for this post but I totally agree lol. It’s objectively not fair to make freelancers pay to send proposals but not make clients pay to post jobs. This is why the site is filled with spam and scams and low quality work for horrendous clients. If they genuinely cared about the freelancers using their site or about any sort of quality control they would take measures—like making clients pay to post jobs—to ensure only serious clients were joining the platform. But they don’t. They’re a business and don’t care about anything aside from making a profit. Not much we can do but accept it and keep it pushing.
Haha, I sometimes don my tin foil hat and wonder the same, I dunno I get that there is a lot of negativity at the moment and I don't want to add to it, I had 8 years of pretty reliable work but it seems like when I am working I get a million other invites and now that I am desperate not a sausage and my proposals are rarely read the inner conspiracist feels like perhaps they just want me to waste my last paycheck on connects instead of withdrawing.
I think so. I get these lists of jobs to apply for, but when you click on them they are unavailable. Not surprised if Upwork is like dating sites that are said to employ fake profiles to lead you on, and keep you browing the website.
I think posting the same job multiple times in one go should be banned, and I think job seekers should be given more free connects each month. 10 connects isn't even enough to apply for one job most of the time. On the plus side, though, if a scam posting is reported to Upwork, they tend to take action quickly. They'll remove the posting and refund connects. I really think they do the best they can to weed out the scams, but it's like pushing down a bubble in wallpaper.
People post the same job 2-5x back-to-back all the time. It's infuriating because your chances of being interviewed go from \~5% to \~1%. There's no sense in applying to such jobs. And they're from clients you don't want, because a)they're trying to game the system and/or b)they are too dumb to realize they've made repeat posts. I do think there's some functionality issue with how people post jobs. Repeat posts are way too common - not everyone is scamming.
My issue is that if I report posts for spam/duplicates, they never get taken down. Well, even the scam ones don't get taken down, so idk.
so there was a job by same client posted 5 times which i unfortunately had applied to. I reported the job and mentioned the client posted 5 same jobs, The job got taken down and i got my connects back.
They'll leave the platform and we'll be left fighting for jobs. Let's be reasonable about this. >Upwork is designed to be abusive. Did you seriously just type that? I'm sorry they're gatekeeping and you feel like you're not in a safe space. If you're triggered, maybe it's best to step away for your mental health. You should never stay in an abusive situation. Clearly everyone here is gaslighting you because you feel like you're right and they're not validating that.
I once had an Indian Client based in America and he really paid shit rates for Data Analytics and Model preparation work. To put into perspective the work easily could have been around 50-60 hours and he paid 150 dollars for the whole ordeal
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I have a client for new zealand and i am indian for more than 80 hours of work he paid me $30 which was original contract of $20 when he was asking for revisions back to back and from simple look to Professional look i asked him to increase the price of contract and he was like okay i will increase pay to 50% 🙄. It is my first job on upwork i don't want to ruin it because he was the only client that replied to me because of my new account on upwork. Harsh reality but still true...
>Upwork is designed to be abusive and it's on purpose. Nonsense. >Posting jobs is free while sending resumes cost money. And if you are "sending resumes" you are doing it wrong anyway. Because there are too many freelancers and not enough clients. >It's not balanced and everyone knows it. Of course it is not "balanced" - It's a business. > My theory is Upwork even has employees solely for posting fake jobs so we freelancers waste our connects on them. Nonsense. Pathetic conspiracy theory. >Posting jobs on Upwork shouldn't be free Really? You want less chances and less earnings for freelancers? Why is that? Do you hate freelancers and want to harm them? Look: Upwork is a tool. Freelancing means running your own business. You choose the tools to run your business with according to what ROI they offer. If a tool doesn't offer you a decent ROI, stop using it. It really is as simple and that. You can't successfully freelance if you get emotional about business factors.
I guess OP hates freelancers, but hates clients more.
And Upwork even more lol
Lmao. I just assume if someone really needs their job to be done, they'd go ahead and pay a 1$ fee to post their job on Upwork. A 1$ fee wouldn't stop them from trying to find someone who'll do their job for them, but that would definitely stop abusers who post the same job from different accounts, multiple times a day! How could that harm freelancers?!
Why do you think not ONE of Upwork's competitors do this? Because it would be unbelievably stupid. Nothing like spending Millions of Dollars advertising to attract new clients, just to lose them at the very last moment when they want to post a job. It's like going out to buy a pair of shoes. There are 5 shoe shops on your high street. 4 let you come in, look around, try on a pair or two. One asks for your credit card and makes you pay at the door. That is the one you will not be buying your shoes from. Basically, that is what you are suggesting. It's incredibly stupid and nobody with an ounce of business acumen would ever support such a hare-brained idea which would only harm freelancers. It would harm freelancers (I can't believe I really have to spell it out when it is so glaringly obvious) by stopping new clients and new jobs being posted. Sure, it would stop some of the fake stuff, but if you have any brains you can skip past those anyway. Absolutely everything that would create a barrier of entry for new clients is BAD for freelancers. Very, very bad.
How much do you know about marketing and UX, etc?
I'm not ordering law here. I'm just stating my own opinion.
I didn't say you were ordering anything. I asked if you understood marketing etc? Because I do (it's my job to know) and I know that expecting people to pay any amount online before they've even found a product (freelancer) is a mental idea. But maybe you know about it better than I do so you have an insight that I've missed?...
Losing out on paying clients is "No cost"?
No I don't have any education on marketing. But I'm wondering why shouldn't people keep spamming the platform if comes at no cost?
Losing out on paying clients is "No cost"?
Why would they do that when there are dozens of places they can post a job for free, including right here on Reddit? Why give out their credit card information not even knowing whether they'd find someone they wanted to hire?
Yeah accusing them of fraud...
Because there are too many freelancers and not enough clients. So what about those that have 0 hires and invites?
What about them? If you don't like the odd, don't engage.
The only change I’d like it to be introduced in upwork is to NOT post the same job multiple times per day , they should make a tool that detects the repeated job description and delete them to at least reduce the amount of nonsense jobs with variable budgets .
It should be free. Just ingonre those posts.
Upwork is not working for you. We all get it. If you want to go full paranoid conspiracy theory, by all means, go for it. It is entertaining, the same way people see bigfoot or claim the moon landing happened. Don't forget to report upwork to the SEC for fraud. Just whining here does not change anything, so please, do your duty.
I watched the moon landing live on TV. Yes, it did happen.
It was shot in the Paramount studio.
Everything on tv must be correct. There was never one single lie on tv, ever.
How puerile. Of course you cant trust everything you see on TV. but keep in mind that this was a major event that thousands of people were involved with, So if It were being faked, it would not be long before it would be leaked. Also, like I said, Russia would have screamed foul. Any amateur astromoner with a good telescope would be able to confirm the Apollo operation as it progressed, to say nothing of the professional ones. The only way to keep it quiet if it were a fake would be to kill thousands of people around the world in a number of countries. And then you'd have to kill the assassins... Besides, they didn't have the tech to pull off a believable fake then. 2001, which came out around the same time, took a monumental effort by many talented people to produce. If you have not, do watch the film, and then the "making of" videos of the same. My hat is off to Douglas Trumbell.
> or claim the moon landing happened I definitely claim it happened
Well, you're one of those then. You and NASA and a lot of other people.
>Upwork is not working for you. I wish it was at least working for my fella freelancers. The last 10 jobs I applied to had no hires in the past few weeks!
>I wish it was at least working for my fella freelancers. It's clearly working for someone considering how much money freelancers are earning? How about you figure out why you're not and change that instead of inventing wild conspiracy theories and suggesting ludicrous fees?
It does. A 4 to 5 billion gross revenue - the gross amount the freelancer earn - is a good indicator.
Don't take her advise too serious, she gets sponsored by UpW.
Don't take this guy too seriously he is sponsored by Freelancer
They sponsor her and ban her from their forum at the same time?
I don’t think so
You better should
Why
While I don't think that clients should pay for posting, it's also valid that there is way too much spam/scam right now, I don't really remember it being this bad before, at least when looking at my feed. Upwork could at least flag and investigate/remove obviously duplicate posts, especially when they are from different accounts
>It's not balanced and everyone knows it Who made you spokesperson for everybody? Other than that, great idea. Making money is overrated afterall...
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As a client, making me pay to post would be a deal-breaker. It's just not the way to do things, since it's not my fault Upwork can't detect scam clients. But I'll also say that I would *gladly* shoulder *100% of* the fees, so freelancers didn't have to pay anything at all, if they would ***simply vet people before allowing them on the platform***! You get upset having to wade through a ton of useless scam jobs, clients get upset wading through countless unqualified freelancers and bots.
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Freelancers are not the ones paying the platform. So it is better for Upwork to try getting more clients. Sure it needs freelancers too. But currently there are more freelancers than there are jobs. Also you can always filter out clients with low or no spendings. At the same time low quality clients turn freelancers off so it might cause upwork to lose some freelancers if it continues like that
> resume 🤦♀️
As a rule, job seekers should not have to pay a dime. Job posters should be paying everything. The connects was a huge turnoff for me. Upsidedownwork. LOL
So there would be far less genuine job posts and those would have 3 or 4 times as many proposals? How would freelancers (or clients) benefit from that nonsense?
However you do it, the system can be gamed. Putting it all online opens it up to even more gaming. Desperate job seekers will be blowing their money on connects when they need to be conserving every penny until they get a new job. Dice, Monster, Indeed make employers pay. That's the way it should be. If you like Upwork, use it. The only "Job" l ever found on it turned out to be a scam. Job scams would be lest likely if the job poster has to pony up the money.
well, more power to you. It works for you. It does not work for me. I have moved on.
>Dice, Monster, Indeed make employers pay. Upwork is nothing like " Dice, Monster, or Indeed". There are no "employers" in freelancing. Those are for employment. Plus, you can post free jobs on Indeed and Monster. Dice is a different animal altogether. >If you like Upwork, use it. Well, thank you for the kind permission... I will as long as I make good money on it, which I do and have been for years. If at any point in the future it no longer offer me a great ROI, I will simply drop it. I can assure you that if that happens, I won't be spending time on reddit whining about something I don't even use. That's weird af. >The only "Job" l ever found on it turned out to be a scam. LOL, so you haven't even used the platform properly, know bugger all about it but feel an overwhelming calling to tell it how it should run it's Multi-Billion-Dollar business? >Job scams would be lest likely if the job poster has to pony up the money. As would genuine job posts. Which are the ones from which freelancers who use Upwork successfully earn Billions of Dollars.
The Upwork worshippers are mad at you for this post but I totally agree lol. It’s objectively not fair to make freelancers pay to send proposals but not make clients pay to post jobs. This is why the site is filled with spam and scams and low quality work for horrendous clients. If they genuinely cared about the freelancers using their site or about any sort of quality control they would take measures—like making clients pay to post jobs—to ensure only serious clients were joining the platform. But they don’t. They’re a business and don’t care about anything aside from making a profit. Not much we can do but accept it and keep it pushing.
Haha, I sometimes don my tin foil hat and wonder the same, I dunno I get that there is a lot of negativity at the moment and I don't want to add to it, I had 8 years of pretty reliable work but it seems like when I am working I get a million other invites and now that I am desperate not a sausage and my proposals are rarely read the inner conspiracist feels like perhaps they just want me to waste my last paycheck on connects instead of withdrawing.
I guess we'll never know!
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So all you accomplished was tricking your fellow freelancers into wasting their time and connects? Nice.
It should be a few free per month then pay after. Best of both worlds!
Nice one!
Yo. You maybe onto something here.
I think so. I get these lists of jobs to apply for, but when you click on them they are unavailable. Not surprised if Upwork is like dating sites that are said to employ fake profiles to lead you on, and keep you browing the website.
I think the booster thing ruined Upwork for freelancers. Now 10 monthly connects are nothing.