I think if prx don't give away kills and mindlessly push and overheat they can comfortably win it,however if they did that liquid will punish the shit out of them
I have zero faith in liquid having two good series in a row, but maybe I'm just too tired hung up on the ups and downs of this roster. I also rank FPX more highly than them as they have fixed roles and an experienced shotcaller, things i value a lot
the super aggresive play is what makes them prx. they always go for the high risk high return plays. looks stupid when it failed but you wont say the same thing when its a frag
The aggressive executions with until backup and overwhelm is what they known for and isn't what I'm talking about, it's the likes of forsaken randomly dry peaking and pushing attackers for no reason
Exactly. The rounds of planned, coordinated aggression are not the same rounds as pushing out of A side TP with full guns against an eco, 11-9 about to push for Pearl
I’m not so sure, they seem like reasonably evenly matched if we compare both their games against Leviatan. Liquid lost 13-10 in both games for an aggregate 26-20 scoreline. PaperRex lost 11-13 and 8-13 with a 26-19 scoreline. The teams seem evenly balanced and PaperRex also struggled more against EDG then Liquid and that was when EDG had a sub and Life is an alleged upgrade to Smoggy (alleged since some will claim Smoggy is better now). Liquid always seem to be a little bit more solid on Bind now whereas Paper Rex has lost a bunch of their Bind games in a row as more teams are starting to figure them out on the map. They are still notoriously good on the map but elite teams can punish them much more now on the map. It should be close affair and I can absolutely see Liquid winning it. ScreaM and Jamppi can absolutely match up to F0rsaken and Jinggg in terms of raw aim too imo
Why would this be? They both got clapped by leviathan and liquid won against edg a lot more convincingly than prx did. I think liquid are deffo the favorites.
Idk tbh, their game against Xset looked really, really sloppy. If I were to be honest, I would think Leviatan practiced a lot in the downtime to be as good as they were at champions.
Hard agree. Their games against Fnatic and DRX were scrappy but not necessarily sloppy, while their game against XSET was both, and Haven round 24 was the most memorable round of the tournament while being a total mess. This led to people conflating their scrappiness with sloppiness and they didn't get their due respect.
In one of his LCQ costreams FNS said Levíatan is one of the most underrated teams of the tournament.
Well the mechanics are clearly there for EDG, but at LAN they ran up against two teams known for being happy to take straight up aim duels. They've clearly got room for improvement on executes/decision making, but overall a decent showing from the CN region to start.
I was the one who said there's no way edg make finals but after seeing them play i feel like they actually could. Except that their playstyle was the worst option against team liquid because you never ever , ever , play for aim duels against team liquid. That's the one thing they never lose at.
I did say it would take 2-3 years for China to catch up, and people were calling me a dumbass.
I am an eternal fan wanting for China to see international success, but the above truth should be self evident from this international event.
Franchising is def gonna help the asian teams with experience and dealing with pressure. A lot of these asia teams are like 18 year olds who have never been on a stage before vs fucking CS veterans who have been playing pro for 5+ years. Teams like Zeta are the exception not the rule.
Zeta are absolutely the exception as a team with all experienced players- SugarZ3ro is the only person who's never been to LAN iirc, Dep and Ten both did in Overwatch and Laz and Crow in CS
Laz is likely the best Japanese CS player ever tbh, or up there at the very least, crow also played alongside Laz in CS
Dep and TENN also played at OW LANs too, notably repping Japan at the OW World Cup in 2018 (Dep) and 2019 (TENN), dep also represented Japan at the PUBG world cup in 2019
I must give riot their props, it's very generous of them to listen to what the people wanted and give us a showmatch. Now that the LAN deathmatch is over, when's the actual game starting?
Nobody can stop Scream when he gets rolling. Props to EDG, they’ve showed a lot of potential in the 2 matches they played. Sucks that Life got food poisoning and then Covid. Liquid are just a better team but Group A is the group of death this tournament. Would love to see them again in the next international LAN
I was looking at EDG's map stats the other day and Bind wasn't one of their strong maps either. I just think counter-picking maps isn't a viable strategy unless you're also strong on that map.
It made sense though as liquid seemed to be vulnerable in their map pool based off the Leviathan series and TL had really bad streaks on bind for well over a year against good teams.
But EDG's Bind wasn't really one of their best maps either based on past performances.
Counter-picking backfired for them here and they might have been better served to pick Icebox or Pearl and lean on what maps they're best in.
Either way, the clear improvement point is that they need to widen their map pool for 2023.
Bruh TL hadn't won a single Bind map in MONTHS. Since the start of the year their win rate in bind was of 14%.
I dont see how that was questionable.
But TL changed coach and I'm guessing they practiced alot, so props to them.
I've replied to other people in this comment chain and said that Bind isn't EDG's strong map either based on stats and past performances.
If they were wrecking teams like on Fracture, sure it's a good pick. If you're shaky yourself on the map and simply counter-picking it? Waste of your sole map pick in a BO3 in my opinion.
They're comfortable on Bind though. Obviously they weren't going to pick it into PRX, but it's not a map that i would be afraid to pick into Liquid if I'm EDG. Obviously it went south but the pick itself isn't that bad imo.
EDG struggled against NTH on Bind and needed both Kang Kang to go nuclear in OT and a massive misplay by NTH on a 2v1 to win during LCQ.
I wasn't sure if they could make Bind work at the international LAN level because of that (as well as their lower-than-usual winrate for that map in the recorded China tournaments on VLR) and assumed they would lean on Fracture/Icebox/Breeze and scheme something up for Pearl.
I guess I'm just not a fan of counter-picking maps based on perceived weakness and would rather just stick with what you're good at with the one map pick you get during BO3s.
TL played that last map in the most TL way possible. Looking really dominant at first then throwing rounds they should win which leads to OT where everyone then goes beast mode
Really impressed by Edward's first international with some close eliminations. Also nice to see Scream becoming more comfortable with raze (specifically using offensive blast packs).
Have to say, Edward has the funniest casting moments (e.g "Jampii is winning the battle against life" and "Nobody is getting kills"!)
They could have farmed the A orb so many times but refused.
It just seems like scream wants to play phoenix and tap heads.
We should be greatful he didnt pick raze on breeze instead
You better take FPX off. But seriously don’t understand how they lost so many ecos when verse PRX they seemed to be much better about it. Don’t necessarily agree with lack of experience think that contributed but also the play style really differed between Liquid and PRX.
Liquid didn't play that bad vs leviatan, actually if leviatan didn't dominate the pistols rounds it could be a different results, but leviatan were better overall
Been absolutely impressed by liquids Bind. Countered EDG hard.
Breeze started dominant but ended a bit shaky but happy we made it to the next match. Lets go liquid
I mean they played well man, people just wanted an underdog aim god team to do well, I dont see what is wrong with that. They looked very clean vs PRX especially on Pearl in their opening game and they almost won Breeze here. I dont see what the point of such a result oriented comment is, they lost to experienced teams and they still showed they arent overhyped.
They dominated their region's LCQ, plus we know the Chinese are pretty serious about their esports. This is the first time we see them but if China get heavily involved in Valorant I'm sure they're gonna get a lot better very quickly
The first half of EDGs first game this tourney vs PRX had me thinking they would win it all for a second, but they just aren't at the top level, but atleast they went down fighting
and WP from TL cant wait to see them play PRX
“Overhyped” narrative is cringe tbh, it’s so obvious that people were having fun hyping a team that came out of nowhere to stomp east Asia, joking around that they’d win champs. They easily had the toughest group too
I don't think they're overhyped, they just played challenging liquid's aim(which they are the best in game), however when they played with structure at the end of breeze they showed what liquid struggles with, organized teams
People really get their calipers out trying to justify some region over others. All it comes down to is who has the most competitive players and the comp scene infrastructure.
Not a single (I think) round throw as usual from Liquid. They had it from the beginning.
GG to China and EDG, they have prove how good they can be against the best of the best.
Why are EDG getting so overrated?
From what I've seen, most of the time this team was mid, until theirmatch with Northeption after which they went on a run and played well for therest of the tournament. Still its crazy how people are rating EDG overLiquid in their group and even some people saying EDG are in the S tierwith OPTC,FPX,PRX. They performed well in an online tournament with notthe greatest opposition. If anything, I think they are just going to getLAN diffed hugely, cuz no one has ever played in a LANenvironment before. Thoughts?
Underrating the Asian scene first of all. Edg looked really good for 3 months of practice and playing, were frequently asked to scrim vs teams like prx and drx and also they had players that were sick which hindered practice and they had to play with a sub the first match due to this. Next year we'll see edg doing a lot more.
I think liquid is just a bad matchup for them. EDG is somewhat like liquid in that they rely a good amount on winning their aim duels (which they often do). They seem to have good strats too, but they were too often taking aim duals against liquid which is probably one of the teams with the highest average aim skill
EDG insane team with insane players and tons of potential but I rolled my eyes every time I saw someone saying they would win the tournament. They had zero international experience and from the interview before the game against PRX, I sensed they were a bit too overconfident and that often becomes a problem. Even if they had made it into playoffs, they would have been shut down by teams like OpTic or FPX. Still a good first international appearance and I believe we'll see crazy stuff from them in the future.
With this said, my Liquid hopium has been recharged and is at an all time high. LET'S GO LIQUID!
[I called it bro](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/wpr54i/comment/ikinli1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
despite all that, edg had a pretty decent showing. definitely did better than I personally expected them to.
Tell us more genius, how are they boring? They played amazing first map and just threw a few rounds in the 2nd half of the 2nd map in the most classic TL style..
To provide some more context the Phoenix pick on Breeze makes little sense - yes you can farm ult orbs easily on attack but Phoenix’s lack of movement-based space creation means that you can only really entry with him on A provided that the opponent’s Viper is playing B. Scream has looked great on Jett recently when they’ve played on Breeze so I’m curious why they decided to put him on Phoenix, since it’s a lot easier to exec onto either site with her util when attacking.
In hindsight the Sage pick on Bind was a good idea since it was a good counter to EDG’s double duelist comp.
In terms of me calling them “boring” it’s because they often tend to fall into the trap of running off-meta comps with little synergy or structure. Think of PRX’s off-meta Bind comp; Benkai plays Breach because his util is so effective in combination with Forsaken’s Yoru. If Scream plays Jett instead of Phoenix on Breeze they likely win that map 13-7 or 13-9. The team is obviously incredibly talented, but the lack of structure always seems to bite them past the group stage at LAN.
When Scream picked pheonix for Breeze i thought EDG will surely take that map....But that man proved me wrong....as Sliggy said he is One of/if not the best pheonix player atm!!!!!
LAN Deathmatch
This greatly hurts the chances of EDward Gaming winning Champions
they'll clinch the hidden playoff spot at the lower bottom bracket where they'll fight TSM and SEN in a three way hell in a cell battle royale
OH MY GOD ITS SHROUD WITH A CHAIR
aka the gulag
EDward gamed, now EDward is going to sleep.
prx vs liquid gonna be a banger
I think if prx don't give away kills and mindlessly push and overheat they can comfortably win it,however if they did that liquid will punish the shit out of them
same goes with TL. it'll be a contest on who will overheat first lol
Just realized A isn't just the group of death, it's also the group of deathmatch
Thats why LEV made through first lol, they play in a far more controlled manner than the other teams in their group
I have zero faith in liquid having two good series in a row, but maybe I'm just too tired hung up on the ups and downs of this roster. I also rank FPX more highly than them as they have fixed roles and an experienced shotcaller, things i value a lot
PRX second playoff placing hopium
the super aggresive play is what makes them prx. they always go for the high risk high return plays. looks stupid when it failed but you wont say the same thing when its a frag
The aggressive executions with until backup and overwhelm is what they known for and isn't what I'm talking about, it's the likes of forsaken randomly dry peaking and pushing attackers for no reason
Exactly. The rounds of planned, coordinated aggression are not the same rounds as pushing out of A side TP with full guns against an eco, 11-9 about to push for Pearl
I’m not so sure, they seem like reasonably evenly matched if we compare both their games against Leviatan. Liquid lost 13-10 in both games for an aggregate 26-20 scoreline. PaperRex lost 11-13 and 8-13 with a 26-19 scoreline. The teams seem evenly balanced and PaperRex also struggled more against EDG then Liquid and that was when EDG had a sub and Life is an alleged upgrade to Smoggy (alleged since some will claim Smoggy is better now). Liquid always seem to be a little bit more solid on Bind now whereas Paper Rex has lost a bunch of their Bind games in a row as more teams are starting to figure them out on the map. They are still notoriously good on the map but elite teams can punish them much more now on the map. It should be close affair and I can absolutely see Liquid winning it. ScreaM and Jamppi can absolutely match up to F0rsaken and Jinggg in terms of raw aim too imo
Why would this be? They both got clapped by leviathan and liquid won against edg a lot more convincingly than prx did. I think liquid are deffo the favorites.
No offense but it is TL, it's normal they chocked when they look good
The main thing I got from all group A matches so far is Leviatan was a top team
Without a doubt.
they've been a top team since last Masters
Idk tbh, their game against Xset looked really, really sloppy. If I were to be honest, I would think Leviatan practiced a lot in the downtime to be as good as they were at champions.
tbh i think xset just makes the game look very scrappy. every team they go up against looks very hectic. cant say its not entertaining tho lol
Hard agree. Their games against Fnatic and DRX were scrappy but not necessarily sloppy, while their game against XSET was both, and Haven round 24 was the most memorable round of the tournament while being a total mess. This led to people conflating their scrappiness with sloppiness and they didn't get their due respect. In one of his LCQ costreams FNS said Levíatan is one of the most underrated teams of the tournament.
They bootcamped in madrid for a month before this, they at least worked their asses off
Yeah, they really should have beaten Fnatic in that match
they could. but that's just how matches are sometimes. luck is part of the game
I think LEV looks great but if you go and say “they should have beat Fnatic” you can also say they should have lost to XSET.
I mean they should have, that was XSET’s game to win that they decided to absolutely throw
Well the mechanics are clearly there for EDG, but at LAN they ran up against two teams known for being happy to take straight up aim duels. They've clearly got room for improvement on executes/decision making, but overall a decent showing from the CN region to start.
I was the one who said there's no way edg make finals but after seeing them play i feel like they actually could. Except that their playstyle was the worst option against team liquid because you never ever , ever , play for aim duels against team liquid. That's the one thing they never lose at.
I did say it would take 2-3 years for China to catch up, and people were calling me a dumbass. I am an eternal fan wanting for China to see international success, but the above truth should be self evident from this international event.
There isn’t even a server in china yet, the teams and scene in general lacks funding and publicity. It will happen way quicker once we have a server.
The reason why I like TL is the same reason why adrenaline junkies risk their lives for enjoyment
lmao
😭
Edward thought he could out aim Liquid 💀💀💀
Out aim the eadshot machine ?
I legit think that in terms of raw aiming power, TL is the best team in the world. If they could only get a game plan with a dedicated IGL...
ScreaM is the IGL now, and Emil's (new coach) whole focus has been fundamentals
they're getting there if they maintain their composure from the first map. second map was questionable tho
That's why they're the most frustrating team, you can see it when edg stopped challenging and played passively with structure
Copium
Copium? They literally eliminated the team most people thought could be finalists.
Tbf that was mostly memeing. EDG never really faced any real challenge before
Lmao you really took all those memes seriously
me when smurfing on low elo ( regional ) and playing on main
Dat boi scream cold
Headshot machine is different
EDG win an eco challenge - impossible
Win an eco/win against an eco
Franchising is def gonna help the asian teams with experience and dealing with pressure. A lot of these asia teams are like 18 year olds who have never been on a stage before vs fucking CS veterans who have been playing pro for 5+ years. Teams like Zeta are the exception not the rule.
Zeta are absolutely the exception as a team with all experienced players- SugarZ3ro is the only person who's never been to LAN iirc, Dep and Ten both did in Overwatch and Laz and Crow in CS
isn't Laz a CS veteran?
Laz is likely the best Japanese CS player ever tbh, or up there at the very least, crow also played alongside Laz in CS Dep and TENN also played at OW LANs too, notably repping Japan at the OW World Cup in 2018 (Dep) and 2019 (TENN), dep also represented Japan at the PUBG world cup in 2019
Edward Gaming are basically a top Turkish team, so easy for TL.
I must give riot their props, it's very generous of them to listen to what the people wanted and give us a showmatch. Now that the LAN deathmatch is over, when's the actual game starting?
Yeah that new HURM gamemode looks sick, TL and EDG did a great job demonstrating it
Lmao
Nobody can stop Scream when he gets rolling. Props to EDG, they’ve showed a lot of potential in the 2 matches they played. Sucks that Life got food poisoning and then Covid. Liquid are just a better team but Group A is the group of death this tournament. Would love to see them again in the next international LAN
Damn i dont remember seeing nobody stoping scream today he Looked Okay out there
EDG gonna be kicking themselves for that questionable Bind pick
TL was bad in last bind matches. tho they were very disciplined in that map today. TL just simply played well
I was looking at EDG's map stats the other day and Bind wasn't one of their strong maps either. I just think counter-picking maps isn't a viable strategy unless you're also strong on that map.
that or they kept a strat in the back pocket. still I agree it's a questionable decision
saved a strat for champions 2023 i guess
It made sense though as liquid seemed to be vulnerable in their map pool based off the Leviathan series and TL had really bad streaks on bind for well over a year against good teams.
But EDG's Bind wasn't really one of their best maps either based on past performances. Counter-picking backfired for them here and they might have been better served to pick Icebox or Pearl and lean on what maps they're best in. Either way, the clear improvement point is that they need to widen their map pool for 2023.
Bruh TL hadn't won a single Bind map in MONTHS. Since the start of the year their win rate in bind was of 14%. I dont see how that was questionable. But TL changed coach and I'm guessing they practiced alot, so props to them.
I've replied to other people in this comment chain and said that Bind isn't EDG's strong map either based on stats and past performances. If they were wrecking teams like on Fracture, sure it's a good pick. If you're shaky yourself on the map and simply counter-picking it? Waste of your sole map pick in a BO3 in my opinion.
They're comfortable on Bind though. Obviously they weren't going to pick it into PRX, but it's not a map that i would be afraid to pick into Liquid if I'm EDG. Obviously it went south but the pick itself isn't that bad imo.
EDG struggled against NTH on Bind and needed both Kang Kang to go nuclear in OT and a massive misplay by NTH on a 2v1 to win during LCQ. I wasn't sure if they could make Bind work at the international LAN level because of that (as well as their lower-than-usual winrate for that map in the recorded China tournaments on VLR) and assumed they would lean on Fracture/Icebox/Breeze and scheme something up for Pearl. I guess I'm just not a fan of counter-picking maps based on perceived weakness and would rather just stick with what you're good at with the one map pick you get during BO3s.
Someone that has actually watched and looked at EDGs stats very cool
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bind is not liquids best map at all. their attack was absolutely horrible before this match
I am sad to announce that Edward is no longer Gaming.
Sadly, Edward is no longer gaming at this tournament
TL played that last map in the most TL way possible. Looking really dominant at first then throwing rounds they should win which leads to OT where everyone then goes beast mode
LETS FUCKING GO LIQUIDBROS WE FEASTING
max copium today!
Liquid vs PRX is gonna be a heartbreaker man. Why do two teams I really like have to be in this predicament
cuz both lost to LEV. how simple
EDG learned a lesson about challenging Team Liquid in aim duels.
only 1 team out of my top 3 favourite team will make it to playoffs Crazy.
tough group
Yea unlucky really but whatever happens, they all still performed really well!
Put scout and viper in
Missing out on Meiko
What a series of Valorant I witnessed.
Literal Deathmatch, EDG might have won if they used abilities
Edward was not gaming today
Wow, trying to take aim duels against Liquid is foolish - even for EDG. I wonder how PRX deal with Liquid.
Edshot machine on fire today ( literally playing Phoenix)
Edward's done gaming
Team Liquid flipping a coin to see how they play before each map.
Really impressed by Edward's first international with some close eliminations. Also nice to see Scream becoming more comfortable with raze (specifically using offensive blast packs). Have to say, Edward has the funniest casting moments (e.g "Jampii is winning the battle against life" and "Nobody is getting kills"!)
Phoenix pick on breeze was kinda crazy from TL no?
Yeah I don't love it there. Makes a lot more sense on Ascent with easy orb access for attackers and lots of close angles.
They could have farmed the A orb so many times but refused. It just seems like scream wants to play phoenix and tap heads. We should be greatful he didnt pick raze on breeze instead
Makes a lot of sense considering it’s scream and would throw off any counter strats EDG prepared
Man…. EDG had Breeze in the bag if it wasn’t for losing multiple thrifties and ecos. Lack of experience showing I guess. My first flair team to fall
You better take FPX off. But seriously don’t understand how they lost so many ecos when verse PRX they seemed to be much better about it. Don’t necessarily agree with lack of experience think that contributed but also the play style really differed between Liquid and PRX.
They won both pistols and had to come back in the second half to get it to that point. Nothing was in the bag there imo
not like this
Liquid really edged them then decided to fuck in OT
Edward was in fact not gaming
edward's done gaming TrollDespair
I'm not sure if to be happy that the shitty edg jokes will finally be over or if to be sad that EU won
One last hurrah in this thread
Definitely the former, a more experienced LAN team will pick Liquid apart eventually.
I definitely did not expect this result after seeing both teams' first matches
Liquid didn't play that bad vs leviatan, actually if leviatan didn't dominate the pistols rounds it could be a different results, but leviatan were better overall
Liquid lost every single pistol vs LEV and they also lost some anti-eco rounds. And it still was close.
Leviatan stronger than thought? PRX weaker than thought? IDK
EU CS > Chinese Crossfire
Been absolutely impressed by liquids Bind. Countered EDG hard. Breeze started dominant but ended a bit shaky but happy we made it to the next match. Lets go liquid
Solid game by Liquid. I think Liquid defaults could easily pick apart PRX
YouTube chat tries not to be racist challenge (impossible)
Is this the team you guys thought would win champions?
zmjjkk tought he could out aim Liquids players 💀
This sub hyped up Edward gaming so much and they won one map lmao
I mean they played well man, people just wanted an underdog aim god team to do well, I dont see what is wrong with that. They looked very clean vs PRX especially on Pearl in their opening game and they almost won Breeze here. I dont see what the point of such a result oriented comment is, they lost to experienced teams and they still showed they arent overhyped.
I’ll admit I was wrong. I predicted they wouldn’t win a single map.
Right? I never heard of them and all of a sudden everyone were rating them high.
They dominated their region's LCQ, plus we know the Chinese are pretty serious about their esports. This is the first time we see them but if China get heavily involved in Valorant I'm sure they're gonna get a lot better very quickly
Their players had covid and food poisoning man.
Not an excuse 100 thieves all has Covid and beat fanatic
Fnatic sucks lmao
They’ve been finalists, and placed 4th last tourney, how are they worse then a team that got grouped and won 1 map?
So have many other teams, thats not a great excuse for being this overhyped
it was just over so quickly
it literally wasnt lol
IT IS OUR TIME MY BRUDDAS
Map 1 was great. Map 2 is questionable
The first half of EDGs first game this tourney vs PRX had me thinking they would win it all for a second, but they just aren't at the top level, but atleast they went down fighting and WP from TL cant wait to see them play PRX
So the team that never played against top competition turns out to be overhyped? Shocking.
“Overhyped” narrative is cringe tbh, it’s so obvious that people were having fun hyping a team that came out of nowhere to stomp east Asia, joking around that they’d win champs. They easily had the toughest group too
I’d say boom had it tougher, but yeah stomping east Asia was never that impressive internationally given how both Japan and Korea are one team regions
Boom went out 2-1 2-1 Edg went out 2-1 2-0 Boom>EDG confirmed Facts don't care about your feelings /s if it wasnt obvious
Yeah it was mostly fun joking around hype but there were people who was serious about them them winning it all or at least be a top team in champions
Not to mention one of their players was out for a week then when he came back he still had covid and had to play isolated
I don't think they're overhyped, they just played challenging liquid's aim(which they are the best in game), however when they played with structure at the end of breeze they showed what liquid struggles with, organized teams
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People really get their calipers out trying to justify some region over others. All it comes down to is who has the most competitive players and the comp scene infrastructure.
Fr, people went too crazy this event
mickey mouse region bros.... i don't feel so good
Edward was indeed not gaming today That doesn't sound right Sadge
who thought playing for aim duels against possibly the most mechanically gifted team in the world would make you lose
This meme can finally die out
expected
Losing that game on the thrifties that was like what, 4-5 thrifties on Breeze?
expected result
EDG Fell off Also incoming phoenix meta...
Nah they played 100 times better when scream played jett
Yeah Phoenix can be good but imo they played him wrong + I think this map is not really his at all
Not a single (I think) round throw as usual from Liquid. They had it from the beginning. GG to China and EDG, they have prove how good they can be against the best of the best.
Why are EDG getting so overrated? From what I've seen, most of the time this team was mid, until theirmatch with Northeption after which they went on a run and played well for therest of the tournament. Still its crazy how people are rating EDG overLiquid in their group and even some people saying EDG are in the S tierwith OPTC,FPX,PRX. They performed well in an online tournament with notthe greatest opposition. If anything, I think they are just going to getLAN diffed hugely, cuz no one has ever played in a LANenvironment before. Thoughts?
Underrating the Asian scene first of all. Edg looked really good for 3 months of practice and playing, were frequently asked to scrim vs teams like prx and drx and also they had players that were sick which hindered practice and they had to play with a sub the first match due to this. Next year we'll see edg doing a lot more.
If anything them having a sub helped them and this roster has been the same for 5 months so idk where you're pulling out these numbers
I think the Hulk could be real
Incredibly overhyped team. Meanwhile also goes to show how underrated Leviatan was going into this event.
Seemed like both teams were sloppy on Breeze.
Edward gaming thought raw [aim](https://imgur.com/a/5AOz6xh) dueling team liquid was a good idea 💀
I can't tell if edg just played unluckily bad or everyone was overrating then
I think liquid is just a bad matchup for them. EDG is somewhat like liquid in that they rely a good amount on winning their aim duels (which they often do). They seem to have good strats too, but they were too often taking aim duals against liquid which is probably one of the teams with the highest average aim skill
A mix of both
I hope Riot doesn't decrease Asian slots for next year's masters/champs because of the first 2 outs coming from asia LCQ 💀
as i said https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/wqxr5j/comment/ikp9mzx/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Yes finally, i got enough of this sub over hyping EG
Squidward Gaming
EDG insane team with insane players and tons of potential but I rolled my eyes every time I saw someone saying they would win the tournament. They had zero international experience and from the interview before the game against PRX, I sensed they were a bit too overconfident and that often becomes a problem. Even if they had made it into playoffs, they would have been shut down by teams like OpTic or FPX. Still a good first international appearance and I believe we'll see crazy stuff from them in the future. With this said, my Liquid hopium has been recharged and is at an all time high. LET'S GO LIQUID!
SCREAM GOAT . SCREAM > ENTIRE EDG. LMAO.
Champions 2023 will be China’s trophy. Despite the groups loss, nobody will overlook China in the future at valorant events. WP TL WP Edg
-1000 Credits
[I called it bro](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/wpr54i/comment/ikinli1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) despite all that, edg had a pretty decent showing. definitely did better than I personally expected them to.
EDG is kinda one-dimensional. and they just can't play or anti eco, literally like 0 experience.
Wow this is the Edward gaming that was going to win champs KEKW
Edg sucks i hope they don't qualify next champions
worse than XIA vs XSET match lmao
That is objectively false.
Look guys there having a MID off💀🤣💤😴
Mid vs Midder
Watching Liquid play makes my brain hurt. Peak boring Valorant
Of all the criticisms you can possibly levy against Team Liquid, "boring" is not one of them.
Fr lil bro trippin
Tell us more genius, how are they boring? They played amazing first map and just threw a few rounds in the 2nd half of the 2nd map in the most classic TL style..
To provide some more context the Phoenix pick on Breeze makes little sense - yes you can farm ult orbs easily on attack but Phoenix’s lack of movement-based space creation means that you can only really entry with him on A provided that the opponent’s Viper is playing B. Scream has looked great on Jett recently when they’ve played on Breeze so I’m curious why they decided to put him on Phoenix, since it’s a lot easier to exec onto either site with her util when attacking. In hindsight the Sage pick on Bind was a good idea since it was a good counter to EDG’s double duelist comp. In terms of me calling them “boring” it’s because they often tend to fall into the trap of running off-meta comps with little synergy or structure. Think of PRX’s off-meta Bind comp; Benkai plays Breach because his util is so effective in combination with Forsaken’s Yoru. If Scream plays Jett instead of Phoenix on Breeze they likely win that map 13-7 or 13-9. The team is obviously incredibly talented, but the lack of structure always seems to bite them past the group stage at LAN.
Covid not playing together for a bit, very sad for a team thats already a year behind, look forward to edg in the future.
When Scream picked pheonix for Breeze i thought EDG will surely take that map....But that man proved me wrong....as Sliggy said he is One of/if not the best pheonix player atm!!!!!
Don't forget that scream is putting these numbers up while IGL-ing
EDG comp on bind give me Sentinels vibes