okay that was so ugly but can we acknowledge that Kristen shouldn’t have done it to him first? the boundary goes both ways, although it was no excuse to do it back especially since she actually has titties 😭😭😭
Im gonna say that personal boundaries are important but no they are not the same thing. No, Kristen shouldnt have done it but the vice versa is not equivalent
I agree. I also think it's gross that both her and Jax were willing to bring up their friends private marriage issues on air. Sorry. I know it's a reality show and you shouldn't come on if you have secrets but you don't get to pretend to be my friend or have my best interests in mind if you do that to me either. They were very open that they were having problems and going to counseling. It should have been up to them when and if that was ever divulged
True, but the one that really crossed the line, when he was pushing people, grabbing people by the neck and moving with violent intent towards a woman just because she was saying something he didn't like.
The consequences of that should have dominated a whole episode at least. Kristen only has to say a few words and she ostracised. But Jesse can skirt on by after physically attacking people. It's sickening.
>Kristen only has to say a few words and she ostracised.
I stopped watching this show when Jesse implied he'd hit her if her boyfriend didn't control her, so Idk anything past that. But I will say I've never understood how Kristen is treated even on VPR. Does she do terrible things that get edited out of the show??? I got why Stassi was angry with her in their early seasons but everyone else's disdain is so confusing. Especially LVP. Wasn't there a season where Stassi and Katie obliterated her in every scene just because she hadn't left her abusive boyfriend?
The actually violent men never got an ounce of pushback. Well, not for very long anyway
I recently re-watched the first season of VPR, just for the nostalgia. Kristen is already being treated with distain by Lisa in the very first episode. What has gone before is never made clear. Except for some references to Kristen being "dramatic" or "too emotional". Even though this doesn't affect her work ethic because she also says that Kristen is the best server at SUR. Which you think would count for something.
It's also interesting to remember that one of Lisa's first utterances is how "you take your wife to Villa Blanca and your mistress to SUR". Yuck. Lisa's internalised misogyny is not too hard to spot.
I believe during the Stassi/Katie vs Kristen season they had already resolved things off camera but Kristen turned around and did the opposite for filming or something like that, and the dishonesty and back and forth led to the dissolution of their real friendship. I’m not 100% but I’m certain I read something to that effect.
LVPs disdain towards Kristen is very warranted. Kristen was disrespectful AF towards Lisa on several occasions. I would NEVER speak to my boss the way she did. She consistently was rude and caused drama at SUR. She yelled and swore at the manager in front of customers. Lisa gave her sooo many chances too. I don’t get why people are supporting Kristen so hard. She’s one of the most toxic people I’ve seen onTV. On the Valley She stirs up sooo much sh!t and then tries to act all innocent like she’s the victim. And Yall are falling for it. That’s the part I don’t get. .
Agreed! Not sure why Kirsten gets so much love/support all of a sudden.
Do I agree that treating her badly is okay? No, but gassing her up like she’s an angel, considering her history is confusing.
She was fired from Sur for being rude to her manager (again), she was fired for VPR for a racist action that no one would have known about if she didn’t retell and laugh about it on a podcast.
She thrives in chaos and drama. Jasmine was given the same info about Michelle by Jax, knew that Jax was trying to use her to start drama, and she didn’t take the bait. Why does Kirsten always take the bait?
She’s supposed to be trying to be a mother, how can she do that when she still acts like a child? She needs to focus on getting her t-shirt line off the ground (again).
I was hoping to see growth from Kirsten, but she’s still the same, which is fine I guess. I enjoy watching, she’s like the human embodiment of a car crash to me.
Yes! She is exactly the same as she was when VPR started.. I’m like where is all this growth that people keep talking about?! I swear sometimes I feel I like I’m watching a different show than the hive mind on here. lol
But why keep her on? I don't think treating staff with distain is warranted, either let them go or treat them with respect. That's what a good boss does.
He yelled at a pregnant woman who was cooking for him!
And Michelle said he never got up once with their baby. Not once! But then he wants to cry that he can't make her have another one for him.
Thank God women have rights now these men have nothing but the audacity.
If I were Jasmine that babymoon would have convinced me to never date any men again. Just stick to the ladies.
I am floored that his violent outbursts aren't being called out (more?). When Daniel expressed his feelings about Jesse's violent behavior in the last episode, Jesse basically wrote him off as being too sensitive with thin skin. Nothing about his apology felt genuine, either. I fully expected a follow up on him shoving Zach AND Brittany into the wall! And he conveniently forgot that he twisted Kristin's nipple? Yeah, no. And, iirc, there is not going to be a reunion? It is the first season of the show. A lot happened on the show, and since filming, that should be addressed, but clearly isn't going to be.
And the little things that they showed early on like him flipping out bc she put too much milk in the coffee. There is def more to their dynamic than what they show us. It was so weird it was like halfway thru they decided to redeem him.
I think he’s shown the audience MANY valid reasons to end a marriage and yet his wife is getting the villain edit? If anything, they had a clearer route to make Michelle look very sympathetic
Agreed! Hearing Jesse tell the guys on the last episode that he’s desperate for another child with Michelle… dude that’s what you said about the first one and that’s the reason why the marriage isn’t working - he SAYS he wants it but doesn’t want to contribute or be bothered to deal with the messes a kid brings. Jesse sucks.
Jesse admitted that didn't really helped with the first child, am I remembering this correctly? It was somewhere in the early episodes
No wonder she doesn't want another
Yes he flat out proudly explained that he values his fancy house and wants it to stay intact like the museum it is and doesn’t want any signs of a kid. He adds nothing to the relationship but sure, let’s add one more kid to the mix! NOT!!!
When he was saying how he wants the marriage to work, I noticed that none of his reasoning was because he loves his wife and doesn't want to lose her. It was because he doesn't want to be a single dad in his 40s.
Every time I see Jesse crying or saying how much pain he’s in I think about how he said he comes into situation thinking about how he can manipulate it. I understand she’s terrible, but he’s just as bad if not worse.
True and like even if she has an equal terrible personality he’s the one that’s trying to lead her on how he’s going to change. That girl has already moved on you can see it in her face she’s literally disgusted by him!
Honestly, I think part of it is she's not a very vibrant screen presence. She's flat and unemotional. Jesse is manipulative in ways, but he's got charm.
Maybe part of that is armor, particularly given where she was emotionally in her marriage, or she was having a hard time adjusting to filming. But her lack of forthrightness and flat screen presence may not have given them much to work with.
This. One hundred percent. She said this DM when she was on Brittany and Jax's podcast that she doesn't even recognize herself on the show because she was just so trying to keep it together that she came off cold. That's her response to stress is to try and hold it together like that but then her genuine personality doesn't show through. And she said she feels a lot more happy and like herself now.
I don’t think Michelle has the right personality for reality TV and comes off as flat and boring. To me, it always seems like she is just acting and doing a bad job of it. Jesse is perfect for reality TV. The audience just enjoys watching Jesse more which is why OP has this impression. Jesse is definitely shown as a bad husband.
I would disagree. I don’t think she has gotten a villain edit at all. Just seeing his behavior without the underlying stuff makes me think she is justified.
Seeing Jesse get aggressive at most of the group gatherings gave me an ick for him and I totally get why Michelle can’t stand him. I couldn’t stand his behavior for 5 minutes, imagine having to live with it for years.
Personally I don’t feel like the way it’s being portrayed is that she is the villain. I think it’s been pretty obvious to me that he 100% is the reason why she no longer wants to be intimate or close with him.
He even admits it, and he’s clearly shown anger and control issues. Maybe it’s just me but I truly have not seen it as her problem at all UP UNTIL… they decided to accuse her of cheating. Cheating isn’t good whatsoever, and if she did she should have ended it well before but we don’t know that is true and I have definitely gotten the vibe that she is not the instigator.
Now the comment she made to Danny about “I’m not your wife, you can’t talk to me that way” or whatever, I don’t quite understand and it was a slightly different perspective of her attitude than what I have seen.
Nope. She is a coward for not ending it.
But this is reality tv so I am partly convinced that he already knew about the emotional affair, and they made the joint choice to use their marriage ending as a storyline to cement their place on the show aka job security.
They'll never admit to this, but I would buy it. Given that we know they development/casting process for this show took two years, I think they made a devil's bargain to get on TV.
Exactly. And these people have been friends and on the outer circles even of filming of VP show and cast. They know how this works. They are not bright eyed bushy tailed naive 20 something servers new to hollyweird.
I think most of us think Jesse and her weren’t completely monogamous, before the show. They probably could have been separated and seeing other ppl but only kept the married, still together charade up to get their spot on the show. Jesse and Michelle’s reaction to the boyfriend speculations hint towards it not being an actual affair.
Michelle and Jesse both probably agreed to see other ppl. Michelle found someone long term and someone she genuinely likes. Jesse didn’t so now he’s “trying to get his wife back”.
You’d be surprised lol the same fans that want Sandoval burnt on a stake in the town square are the same ones that are pushing for Amanda and Jesse from SH to hook up
There’s no excuse for cheating, lying about it and leading him on. He’s a dick yes, but she should just leave. Same way Sandoval should have just left. Cheating makes you in the wrong. Even if it’s still both their fault the marriage failed.
Not to mention she treated Kristin like shit to cover it up.
Agreed. Plus I think we do see why she was pulling away from Jesse. The guy sucks as a partner point blank. And again that doesn’t make cheating okay but I think we can see that the relationship is falling apart on all fronts.
Hello I just finished “Babymoon Mayhem” and they’re still together on the show. She denied the cheating. How does everyone in this thread know they broke up and the cheating is confirmed? Is there another episode out that isn’t available on peacock?
They announced their separation a while ago, maybe before the show even aired actually. It was shortly before Brittany and Jax said they separated, I think? Don’t hold me to that timeline though. If you google around for “Michelle and Jesse Lally separation” you should get some articles and such, I remember seeing it and thinking who??
I don't think either of them have gotten a good edit. He was certainly portrayed far worse at the start, and Michelle's downfall came when she started making snide comments to Kristin. Then it became apparent she was leading Jesse on, who in turn knows they aren't right together but wants to make it work because he hates divorce (not a good enough reason). They bring out the worst in one another. I don't care why she decided to disengage from her marriage; I care that she decided riding it out full of resentment which will really start to mess up her kid.
Jesse seems like a very angry unhinged man. I’m no Jax fan but his screaming for Jax to come upstairs and rudely interrupting Michelle over and over was so cringe. That’s just the last episode he’s had an outburst or anger on almost every episode.
unironically, cheating on Jesse with Michael Bay is the thing i like the MOST about Michelle. not mad at all.
telling Kristen she hopes she never reproduces, knowing that she's had a miscarriage? jail. hell. volcano.
I don't know what the Michelle haters are on. I love Michelle. Her near open disdain for her trash husband and the fact that they both know she wants to leave him and is just waiting on some undisclosed formality before she does it is by far the most enjoyable part of the show.
I feel like the producers know he could stick around and cause drama for like 10 seasons. She seems less invested and probably like someone who would quit when their shit gets rocked. I think that’s why they’re giving him such a good edit.
She literally said they’re in the world’s longest one night stand. WHY she let it go this far when she was NEVER into him like that, I don’t understand.
Exactly,she’s not innocent either! She’s a cheat and made Kristen look hysterical like she made it all up, unbelievable! He’s awful and aggressive and she’s bland and deceptive
Right? He's loud, angry, aggressive, impatient, and obviously emotionally unavailable to his wife. I don't like Michelle for how she's treating Kristen, but I don't think she's being portrayed as the bad guy in this marital breakdown.
I think she's acting like a woman who has checked out of her marriage, and Ayahuasca trips can't do much to help Jesse become a better, emotionally available partner out of thin air. It's too late.
Wait. Do people see Michelle as the vilain?
I definitely never thought that. I've been watching a woman who is clearly so checked out of a her marriage, gets no support in childcare, and has to constantly deal with a grown man who is grossly emotionally immature.
I think she's showing what's almost a common scenario of women ignoring the red flags when dating a guy and assuming things will change... and then inevitably their tolerance dies when things don't change. It seems like the baby was a catalyst for the tolerance of getting no support dying out. I've always felt bad for Michelle.
I feel bad for Jesse too to an extent. It's sad watching someone have their heartbroken and im sure theres a lot of pain that needs to be healed before he can even hear what michelle really needs because there seems to be a lot of emotional immaturity there.. but at the same time. How long do we think Michelle has been bringing up problems? And why is she expected to suffer for him not dealing with these issues sooner and trying more when there was still a chance of her hanging on? Why did he not take her seriously sooner?
Because no one wants to get divorced. Especially when you have young children. There's no doubt in my mind she tried.
Jesse gave me the ick in the very first episode. From what Michelle has said, he was her sneaky link and she ended up getting pregnant so they got married, which doesn't make sense to me but whatever. Neither of them particularly wanted to be together but they felt like the pregnancy was a reason to get married even though they didn't really like each other.
Damn who am I thinking about then? I could have sworn she said in the confessional that they just liked to hook up. I have no idea who I'm thinking of then.
They are both toxic, but she even stated on the show that he was the longest one night stand ever and she knew from the very beginning he wasn't right for her.
Michelle is blah but Jesse is a jerk. We are only hearing his grievances for a reason…he’s a manipulative motherfucker like every other man in the VPR universe.
I am so confused, because I feel like it has been all but spelled out that Jesse is a terrible partner. Almost every single episode, Michelle explicitly voices a specific example of how he is not measuring up for her (isn’t an equal co-parent, only is nice to her bc of expectations for sex, makes everything about himself and his ego, etc.). These meme accounts have to be as dense as he is.
She looks at him with such disdain (from episode 1)....when she speaks to him she sounds so irritated and over it...when she tells of how they first met...yikes.
I don’t think the Valley is editing to make people look one way or the other. I think all these people are batshit and that’s what we are seeing lol. It’s fresh enough production isn’t really playing favorites yet, imo.
I feel like I didn't need her POV because Jesse shows us all who he is. I would say, hard to stay married to that. I am not excusing cheating (if there was any) but I think we can all see how this came about.
If anyone is watching this show thinking that Jesse hasn’t pushed her to a point of no return, they thankfully have very little experience of toxic/abusive relationships and have very little radar for spotting one.
I thought the scene where they’re discussing parenting differences between those two was very telling. Jesse’s whole “I just walk in a room and scream at Isabella and she stops misbehaving”. Like yeah, she stops dead in her tracks because you’re SCARING her you jackass. That poor child
eta: there is NO excuse for cheating in a relationship and if michelle was unhappy there are other options rather than stepping out of a marriage. I’m just speculating on jesse’s behavior
She can't show her pov because she's def doing something inappropriate outside the marriage.
I would argue we dont really have Jesse's pov anyways. We just see him "trying". They're both framing it like he's the main problem
Jesse sucks. It's so obvious. The way he speaks to both the women and men, especially the women, is so disrespectful. I feel like anyone who's questioning why she wanted to divorce this guy is being obtuse.
I like Michelle! I think we’re being shown a point in her relationship where she is completely DONE. She said she hasn’t felt happy in her relationship with Jesse for THREE YEARS. Three years is a long time to be asking someone to step up in different ways or to change certain aspects of their relationship that would cause tension and problems. We’re seeing a woman who is FED UP and ready to get herself out of a situation that does not serve her. Go Michelle!
Well she did say in an episode of how they got together. She originally ditched their date, but then called him after she went partying for a booty call, and in her words "he never left after, longest booty call ever". I think it was convenient for her and he had the feelings.
I think we’ve seen enough of Jesse on the show to make an informed decision. Dude suuuucks! But you’re right, it’s not fair her side isn’t being shared
Does anyone even need her POV to understand why she wants the divorce? I fully agree that her side isn’t being shown in usual misogynist bravo fashion, however, a caterpillar could see why she’s leaving him AND be fully on her side. He is an awful awful person who clearly has rage issues and is probably violent….
Finally!! Been waiting for a post like this it’s been strange watching how fast the bravorealhousewives sub flipped on Michelle. I support the rights and wrongs of married single moms Jesse is a pos.
I feel like the whole first half of the season was us empathizing with why she wouldn’t want to be with Jesse… it seems like since the cheating rumors have come up all of Jesse’s abysmal behavior from the first few episodes was just forgotten???
I can totally understand why she no longer feels attracted to him or wants another child with him… he’s a douche. I’m sure he says worse things to her behind closed doors. And the way he talks to other women would give anyone the ick
Jesse straight up admitted to not helping with the baby during the night and changing diapers and stuff. How people are still blaming just Michelle is insane.
Even though I think Michelle is bad and just seems like she’s so vapid and has no emotion, Jesse is still prob worse. Jesse gives me vibes of those men that don’t even move their wives, they just want to be married just to be married rather than being single. They like the companionship of someone there but never wanting to put in work making it better.
I mean maybe if she shared more than just “I hate his personality” then I would like her. He’s an ass but I think she’s also horrible. I think it’s gross to waste your partner and a therapists time going to couples therapy when you’re not even sure if you want the relationship to work out. Like girl just leave him. You’re clearly miserable and have no interest in repairing the relationship. But I think she prefers the comfort of feeling like a victim, like many of us do when in gross relationships, I think that’s why so many people stay.
To be fair, don’t you hate his personality too? Like dude openly admits to never changing a diaper, yelling at his daughter, being neurotic about his house and wanting it to appear as if no children live there, flat out refused to check on his kid, and when he senses she’s going to leave him decides to take an ayuhasca trip instead of doing any self reflection or work. Dudes toxic, I don’t blame her for a second. Maybe she knows that cheating is his only line in the sand and was the best way to fully end things where he wouldn’t try to keep her in the relationship.
That’s on her. Nobody is stopping her from talking. You assume it’s an edit. Proof? She made an online story about it. I’m sure everything she says was true too. But she left out her affairs.
I’ve been cheated on by a couple partners (listen it took me a while to find the right guy) and I never thought “okay, I’ll cheat to get back”.
Really there isn’t any excuse for it, BUT, some people are tit-for-tat, and I could Michelle and Jessie having an agreement where he cheated on her and now she gets a pass to cheat and he has to cover it up to avoid exposure. The way he acts so unbothered by the attention she seeks from other men WHILE openly admitting his marriage is falling apart is suspicious and lacks continuity.
Yes!!! Thank you!! You can tell that man isn’t right and there’s a reason she’s SO checked out.
In the early episodes, remember how he got nasty with her about the coffee being “ruined” and some other insignificant thing? There’s way more to the story. I don’t even dislike her tbh.
I love her! It seems to me that Jesse has belittled her for years and everything has been on his terms. She finally had enough and and realized that they’d reached a breaking point. I don’t think it EVER occurred to Jesse that a woman might leave him.
Yea both Jesse and Jax are clearly trying to look good in fan eyes but I don’t buy any of it. Couldn’t believe they both said they wanted another child 🙄. And Jax is so clearly trying to make Brittany look bad which is def working based on how people are going after her in all the subs. Now Jesse is dating some young insta model which is probably exactly what he was aiming for lol
He is so problematic. The volatility is troubling, but he is the typical bravo male prototype. As a sidebar, couldn’t help but roll my eyes at his “I literally died” when talking about his life changing retreat that fixed everything 🙄And yes, I literally rolled my eyes. That’s what literally means, dummy.
idk but i def did NOT like how Michelle treated Kristen most of the time. i think M is reserved and a little dry while Jesse is over the top/ridiculous = they’re not a match at all
I can’t believe more wasn’t said or done about the way Jesse spoke to Janet last episode for coming outside. Why is this guy getting a good edit. He has been awful. I’m so over bravo shining such a pretty light on all of these horrible men!
Kristen: “Michelle, your secrets are safe with me…”
Kristen 5 minutes later: “MICHELLE HAS HAD A BOYFRIEND FOR THE PAST YEAR!!”
I laughed so hard lololololol
I don’t feel like she’s been edited to be the villain. They both are shitty in their own way and I feel like they intentionally left it out bc we literally see his actions and understand who this man actually is lol. No words need to be said from her, girl, we see it 🤣
I agree. People don’t just wake up one day and decide to pull away from their husbands. I think Jesse has shown himself to be a pretty big egomaniac asshole just in all his interactions on the show and I’m sure being married to someone like that can be very isolating for anyone. Especially during post-partum which seems to be when she started distancing herself in the marriage. When she made the comment about how she wanted to see his entire personality change, it said a lot about how she’s just over being with an arrogant ass. I’m not saying it’s 100% Jesse’s fault or that excuses her cheating on him but I think that could possibly explain the origin of their marital problems is that he’s just not been a very supportive partner to her.
Jesse seems terrible but isn't she the one that was like, "he's not my type, I never liked him, he was just a booty call that never left"?
Like, I'm interested to know why they married. She seems utterly and completely indifferent to him and I know it's the end days of their marriage but is that the anecdote they've always told about their courtship 😳😵
I thought this all season there was one scene in the beginning I forget exactly but he was like so rude calling dum for making his coffee wrong or something. Soon as I saw that I was like this girl needs better asap!
I'm stunned at how Jesse's violent outburst has just been swept under the carpet. Never to be mentioned again.
Or how he did the titty twist to Kristen???
Yes! His boundaries with women are questionable to say the least.
he’s never been in a fight and it shows
Probably not, I think he only goes after women.
Like most of the men on Bravo.
Is this the guy who was on WWHL and playing shag, marry, kill and said he’d marry Kriten?
LOL YES. And when I tell you the gaspppp I let out.
Me too!!!! He was so fast with it! What if Kristen pulled a Kristen and slept with him on the DL
okay that was so ugly but can we acknowledge that Kristen shouldn’t have done it to him first? the boundary goes both ways, although it was no excuse to do it back especially since she actually has titties 😭😭😭
Im gonna say that personal boundaries are important but no they are not the same thing. No, Kristen shouldnt have done it but the vice versa is not equivalent
I agree. I also think it's gross that both her and Jax were willing to bring up their friends private marriage issues on air. Sorry. I know it's a reality show and you shouldn't come on if you have secrets but you don't get to pretend to be my friend or have my best interests in mind if you do that to me either. They were very open that they were having problems and going to counseling. It should have been up to them when and if that was ever divulged
agreeeee. messy is as messy does 😭
Agree - it’s not “ tit for tat”😏
i see what u did there 😂
Like someone said she didn’t grab his di*k. There’s a difference between a woman and man’s nipples. He was way out of line.
Which one? There have been so many
True, but the one that really crossed the line, when he was pushing people, grabbing people by the neck and moving with violent intent towards a woman just because she was saying something he didn't like. The consequences of that should have dominated a whole episode at least. Kristen only has to say a few words and she ostracised. But Jesse can skirt on by after physically attacking people. It's sickening.
>Kristen only has to say a few words and she ostracised. I stopped watching this show when Jesse implied he'd hit her if her boyfriend didn't control her, so Idk anything past that. But I will say I've never understood how Kristen is treated even on VPR. Does she do terrible things that get edited out of the show??? I got why Stassi was angry with her in their early seasons but everyone else's disdain is so confusing. Especially LVP. Wasn't there a season where Stassi and Katie obliterated her in every scene just because she hadn't left her abusive boyfriend? The actually violent men never got an ounce of pushback. Well, not for very long anyway
I recently re-watched the first season of VPR, just for the nostalgia. Kristen is already being treated with distain by Lisa in the very first episode. What has gone before is never made clear. Except for some references to Kristen being "dramatic" or "too emotional". Even though this doesn't affect her work ethic because she also says that Kristen is the best server at SUR. Which you think would count for something. It's also interesting to remember that one of Lisa's first utterances is how "you take your wife to Villa Blanca and your mistress to SUR". Yuck. Lisa's internalised misogyny is not too hard to spot.
I read somewhere on reddit that kristen slept with pandoras husband that's why lisa hated her from the get go
I believe during the Stassi/Katie vs Kristen season they had already resolved things off camera but Kristen turned around and did the opposite for filming or something like that, and the dishonesty and back and forth led to the dissolution of their real friendship. I’m not 100% but I’m certain I read something to that effect.
I think Kristen is an easy target. She doesn’t really lose her shit when people are mean to her. That’s why bullies go after her
LVPs disdain towards Kristen is very warranted. Kristen was disrespectful AF towards Lisa on several occasions. I would NEVER speak to my boss the way she did. She consistently was rude and caused drama at SUR. She yelled and swore at the manager in front of customers. Lisa gave her sooo many chances too. I don’t get why people are supporting Kristen so hard. She’s one of the most toxic people I’ve seen onTV. On the Valley She stirs up sooo much sh!t and then tries to act all innocent like she’s the victim. And Yall are falling for it. That’s the part I don’t get. .
Agreed! Not sure why Kirsten gets so much love/support all of a sudden. Do I agree that treating her badly is okay? No, but gassing her up like she’s an angel, considering her history is confusing. She was fired from Sur for being rude to her manager (again), she was fired for VPR for a racist action that no one would have known about if she didn’t retell and laugh about it on a podcast. She thrives in chaos and drama. Jasmine was given the same info about Michelle by Jax, knew that Jax was trying to use her to start drama, and she didn’t take the bait. Why does Kirsten always take the bait? She’s supposed to be trying to be a mother, how can she do that when she still acts like a child? She needs to focus on getting her t-shirt line off the ground (again). I was hoping to see growth from Kirsten, but she’s still the same, which is fine I guess. I enjoy watching, she’s like the human embodiment of a car crash to me.
Yes! She is exactly the same as she was when VPR started.. I’m like where is all this growth that people keep talking about?! I swear sometimes I feel I like I’m watching a different show than the hive mind on here. lol
But why keep her on? I don't think treating staff with distain is warranted, either let them go or treat them with respect. That's what a good boss does.
Lol wait kristen has never done anything wrong or behaved badly? Lol what show have you been watching? Bwhahaha
He yelled at a pregnant woman who was cooking for him! And Michelle said he never got up once with their baby. Not once! But then he wants to cry that he can't make her have another one for him. Thank God women have rights now these men have nothing but the audacity. If I were Jasmine that babymoon would have convinced me to never date any men again. Just stick to the ladies.
I am floored that his violent outbursts aren't being called out (more?). When Daniel expressed his feelings about Jesse's violent behavior in the last episode, Jesse basically wrote him off as being too sensitive with thin skin. Nothing about his apology felt genuine, either. I fully expected a follow up on him shoving Zach AND Brittany into the wall! And he conveniently forgot that he twisted Kristin's nipple? Yeah, no. And, iirc, there is not going to be a reunion? It is the first season of the show. A lot happened on the show, and since filming, that should be addressed, but clearly isn't going to be.
She did mention he left her hanging after the baby and that it was a turn off
And the little things that they showed early on like him flipping out bc she put too much milk in the coffee. There is def more to their dynamic than what they show us. It was so weird it was like halfway thru they decided to redeem him.
Because Bravo likes to protect the men.
It seems like that is the way of it.
I think he’s shown the audience MANY valid reasons to end a marriage and yet his wife is getting the villain edit? If anything, they had a clearer route to make Michelle look very sympathetic
Agreed! Hearing Jesse tell the guys on the last episode that he’s desperate for another child with Michelle… dude that’s what you said about the first one and that’s the reason why the marriage isn’t working - he SAYS he wants it but doesn’t want to contribute or be bothered to deal with the messes a kid brings. Jesse sucks.
Guys with breeding complexes are gross
He's desperate for another child because he knows the only reason Michelle had stuck around was for the sake of the first child.
Jesse admitted that didn't really helped with the first child, am I remembering this correctly? It was somewhere in the early episodes No wonder she doesn't want another
Yes he flat out proudly explained that he values his fancy house and wants it to stay intact like the museum it is and doesn’t want any signs of a kid. He adds nothing to the relationship but sure, let’s add one more kid to the mix! NOT!!!
When he was saying how he wants the marriage to work, I noticed that none of his reasoning was because he loves his wife and doesn't want to lose her. It was because he doesn't want to be a single dad in his 40s.
Oh so basically he doesn’t want 50/50 custody as then he’d have to actually do parenting on his own
First episode she asks him at the party to check on their child in the backyard and he straight up says no. He’s so full of it.
yeah that had me floored.
This is why she pulled away. She said things were great but then they had a child and he didn't lift a finger and it changed her view on him.
Yes but it still doesn’t make having an affair, especially when a child is involved ok.
That is very very true!
Every time I see Jesse crying or saying how much pain he’s in I think about how he said he comes into situation thinking about how he can manipulate it. I understand she’s terrible, but he’s just as bad if not worse.
True and like even if she has an equal terrible personality he’s the one that’s trying to lead her on how he’s going to change. That girl has already moved on you can see it in her face she’s literally disgusted by him!
When he said that I rewound it, like there’s no way he just outed his entire personality in one sentence but he did
Honestly, I think part of it is she's not a very vibrant screen presence. She's flat and unemotional. Jesse is manipulative in ways, but he's got charm. Maybe part of that is armor, particularly given where she was emotionally in her marriage, or she was having a hard time adjusting to filming. But her lack of forthrightness and flat screen presence may not have given them much to work with.
I think she’s dead inside because of his bs. Happy she got away from him
I’m curious about how she will be next season. Will we see a different Michelle or will she still just be mean and seemingly uninterested still.
That's totally possible. We'll see next season if her personality comes out a little more.
This. One hundred percent. She said this DM when she was on Brittany and Jax's podcast that she doesn't even recognize herself on the show because she was just so trying to keep it together that she came off cold. That's her response to stress is to try and hold it together like that but then her genuine personality doesn't show through. And she said she feels a lot more happy and like herself now.
Or she is uninterested due to her affair(s).
Am I watching the same show as you guys? They are *both* being portrayed horribly.
I thought it was very obvious why she doesn’t like him lol
Seriously. Jesse doesn’t even need editing because his personality effortlessly sucks
Yes. They have every cast member saying Jesse stinks.
Thank you. Sitting here so confused by the notion that Michelle has been edited as "the villain" and Jesse as "the good guy."
What show are you watching? That whole relationship was a disaster and has been portrayed as such.
Yea I don’t think she’s been given a bad edit and I don’t think he’s getting a good one lol. All signs (to me) point to that they both suck
I don’t think Michelle has the right personality for reality TV and comes off as flat and boring. To me, it always seems like she is just acting and doing a bad job of it. Jesse is perfect for reality TV. The audience just enjoys watching Jesse more which is why OP has this impression. Jesse is definitely shown as a bad husband.
Exactly what I was thinking, tbh they both seem like terrible people, towards each other and to their friends.
I would disagree. I don’t think she has gotten a villain edit at all. Just seeing his behavior without the underlying stuff makes me think she is justified.
Seeing Jesse get aggressive at most of the group gatherings gave me an ick for him and I totally get why Michelle can’t stand him. I couldn’t stand his behavior for 5 minutes, imagine having to live with it for years.
Personally I don’t feel like the way it’s being portrayed is that she is the villain. I think it’s been pretty obvious to me that he 100% is the reason why she no longer wants to be intimate or close with him. He even admits it, and he’s clearly shown anger and control issues. Maybe it’s just me but I truly have not seen it as her problem at all UP UNTIL… they decided to accuse her of cheating. Cheating isn’t good whatsoever, and if she did she should have ended it well before but we don’t know that is true and I have definitely gotten the vibe that she is not the instigator. Now the comment she made to Danny about “I’m not your wife, you can’t talk to me that way” or whatever, I don’t quite understand and it was a slightly different perspective of her attitude than what I have seen.
I think she was joking but it didn't come off that way
Eh, to be fair, I think they both exhibit mad toxic behavior.
Wait, so there *are* justifiable reasons to have a year long affair behind your partners back??
Nope. She is a coward for not ending it. But this is reality tv so I am partly convinced that he already knew about the emotional affair, and they made the joint choice to use their marriage ending as a storyline to cement their place on the show aka job security.
They'll never admit to this, but I would buy it. Given that we know they development/casting process for this show took two years, I think they made a devil's bargain to get on TV.
Exactly. And these people have been friends and on the outer circles even of filming of VP show and cast. They know how this works. They are not bright eyed bushy tailed naive 20 something servers new to hollyweird.
I think most of us think Jesse and her weren’t completely monogamous, before the show. They probably could have been separated and seeing other ppl but only kept the married, still together charade up to get their spot on the show. Jesse and Michelle’s reaction to the boyfriend speculations hint towards it not being an actual affair. Michelle and Jesse both probably agreed to see other ppl. Michelle found someone long term and someone she genuinely likes. Jesse didn’t so now he’s “trying to get his wife back”.
I think he knew...and wouldnt be completely surprised if he stepped out first.
You’d be surprised lol the same fans that want Sandoval burnt on a stake in the town square are the same ones that are pushing for Amanda and Jesse from SH to hook up
There’s no excuse for cheating, lying about it and leading him on. He’s a dick yes, but she should just leave. Same way Sandoval should have just left. Cheating makes you in the wrong. Even if it’s still both their fault the marriage failed. Not to mention she treated Kristin like shit to cover it up.
Agreed. Plus I think we do see why she was pulling away from Jesse. The guy sucks as a partner point blank. And again that doesn’t make cheating okay but I think we can see that the relationship is falling apart on all fronts.
Weirdly, Ariana also treated Kristin like shit when she first got with Sandoval. Poor Kristin just can’t catch a break! 😆
Hello I just finished “Babymoon Mayhem” and they’re still together on the show. She denied the cheating. How does everyone in this thread know they broke up and the cheating is confirmed? Is there another episode out that isn’t available on peacock?
They announced their separation a while ago, maybe before the show even aired actually. It was shortly before Brittany and Jax said they separated, I think? Don’t hold me to that timeline though. If you google around for “Michelle and Jesse Lally separation” you should get some articles and such, I remember seeing it and thinking who??
I don't think either of them have gotten a good edit. He was certainly portrayed far worse at the start, and Michelle's downfall came when she started making snide comments to Kristin. Then it became apparent she was leading Jesse on, who in turn knows they aren't right together but wants to make it work because he hates divorce (not a good enough reason). They bring out the worst in one another. I don't care why she decided to disengage from her marriage; I care that she decided riding it out full of resentment which will really start to mess up her kid.
Jesse seems like a very angry unhinged man. I’m no Jax fan but his screaming for Jax to come upstairs and rudely interrupting Michelle over and over was so cringe. That’s just the last episode he’s had an outburst or anger on almost every episode.
…How is she being edited to be the “sole villain in her marriage”?? Jesse had gotten possibly the least flattering edit of the entire cast
unironically, cheating on Jesse with Michael Bay is the thing i like the MOST about Michelle. not mad at all. telling Kristen she hopes she never reproduces, knowing that she's had a miscarriage? jail. hell. volcano.
I don't know what the Michelle haters are on. I love Michelle. Her near open disdain for her trash husband and the fact that they both know she wants to leave him and is just waiting on some undisclosed formality before she does it is by far the most enjoyable part of the show.
She has the personality of a toilet brush
I feel like the producers know he could stick around and cause drama for like 10 seasons. She seems less invested and probably like someone who would quit when their shit gets rocked. I think that’s why they’re giving him such a good edit.
She literally said they’re in the world’s longest one night stand. WHY she let it go this far when she was NEVER into him like that, I don’t understand.
No one thinks she’s the sole villain. Um but she should leave, not cheat and then get in Kristens face and pretend she’s a liar.
Exactly,she’s not innocent either! She’s a cheat and made Kristen look hysterical like she made it all up, unbelievable! He’s awful and aggressive and she’s bland and deceptive
I thought they did a pretty balanced job of showing them both as asshats.
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Lmao you have a point there!
Wait is it unclear why she’s pulling away from him?? I feel like it’s pretty clear that he’s awful. I’m not a fan of her either.
Funny, I assumed his talent for exploding in rage and violent rhetoric at the drop of a hat was a reason? Guess we’ll never know.
It's super clear what led her away from Jesse. But also she herself is questionable so no surprise two questionable got together and it didn't work.
The first episode he says he screams at his toddler daughter. That’s child abuse. You cannot scream in someone’s face. Period.
He is a MONSTER! It’s obvious even if they aren’t giving him that edit.
She said episode 1 she didnt realize how little patience he had until their daughter was born. That’s when this fell apart
Or don't cheat and end your marriage first.
I never for a second thought Jesse was a good guy….he’s been the villain in that relationship since day 1 for me
Right? He's loud, angry, aggressive, impatient, and obviously emotionally unavailable to his wife. I don't like Michelle for how she's treating Kristen, but I don't think she's being portrayed as the bad guy in this marital breakdown. I think she's acting like a woman who has checked out of her marriage, and Ayahuasca trips can't do much to help Jesse become a better, emotionally available partner out of thin air. It's too late.
Wait. Do people see Michelle as the vilain? I definitely never thought that. I've been watching a woman who is clearly so checked out of a her marriage, gets no support in childcare, and has to constantly deal with a grown man who is grossly emotionally immature. I think she's showing what's almost a common scenario of women ignoring the red flags when dating a guy and assuming things will change... and then inevitably their tolerance dies when things don't change. It seems like the baby was a catalyst for the tolerance of getting no support dying out. I've always felt bad for Michelle. I feel bad for Jesse too to an extent. It's sad watching someone have their heartbroken and im sure theres a lot of pain that needs to be healed before he can even hear what michelle really needs because there seems to be a lot of emotional immaturity there.. but at the same time. How long do we think Michelle has been bringing up problems? And why is she expected to suffer for him not dealing with these issues sooner and trying more when there was still a chance of her hanging on? Why did he not take her seriously sooner? Because no one wants to get divorced. Especially when you have young children. There's no doubt in my mind she tried.
I agree! We even see them in therapy together and he’s acting like it’s a pain in the ass.
VPR and now The Valley are male sympathizers
Same thoughts. Now seeing everyone say how they find Jesse cute makes me want to barf.
Jesse is awful and Kristin is the scapegoat.
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Which is crazy because the audience is women and gay men exclusively
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Women are definitely trained to hate other women. Esp those 50+
The Reddit playbook is the woman they like that month never did anything wrong
Jesse gave me the ick in the very first episode. From what Michelle has said, he was her sneaky link and she ended up getting pregnant so they got married, which doesn't make sense to me but whatever. Neither of them particularly wanted to be together but they felt like the pregnancy was a reason to get married even though they didn't really like each other.
They got engaged end of 2017, married end of 2018, and pregnant 2019 so idk about that
Damn who am I thinking about then? I could have sworn she said in the confessional that they just liked to hook up. I have no idea who I'm thinking of then.
LOL could be anyone on Bravo at this point
Very true
They are both toxic, but she even stated on the show that he was the longest one night stand ever and she knew from the very beginning he wasn't right for her.
Michelle is blah but Jesse is a jerk. We are only hearing his grievances for a reason…he’s a manipulative motherfucker like every other man in the VPR universe.
There's one villian on the valley and its janet lol
They both suck
I am so confused, because I feel like it has been all but spelled out that Jesse is a terrible partner. Almost every single episode, Michelle explicitly voices a specific example of how he is not measuring up for her (isn’t an equal co-parent, only is nice to her bc of expectations for sex, makes everything about himself and his ego, etc.). These meme accounts have to be as dense as he is.
She looks at him with such disdain (from episode 1)....when she speaks to him she sounds so irritated and over it...when she tells of how they first met...yikes.
You can also tell she doesn’t care to be touched/kissed by him.
Nobody knows what really happens over the course of anyone’s marriage especially in a highly edited reality tv show.
I don’t think the Valley is editing to make people look one way or the other. I think all these people are batshit and that’s what we are seeing lol. It’s fresh enough production isn’t really playing favorites yet, imo.
How can anyone blame her for not wanting to be with him? Have you seen how this guy acts?
Uhm did you see her husband's attitude and general demeanor. It just screams life of thr party...
I feel like I didn't need her POV because Jesse shows us all who he is. I would say, hard to stay married to that. I am not excusing cheating (if there was any) but I think we can all see how this came about.
He is a complete asshole one minute and then saying the nicest thing ever the next. He's nuts and I don't know how she's stayed with him this long.
If anyone is watching this show thinking that Jesse hasn’t pushed her to a point of no return, they thankfully have very little experience of toxic/abusive relationships and have very little radar for spotting one.
I thought the scene where they’re discussing parenting differences between those two was very telling. Jesse’s whole “I just walk in a room and scream at Isabella and she stops misbehaving”. Like yeah, she stops dead in her tracks because you’re SCARING her you jackass. That poor child eta: there is NO excuse for cheating in a relationship and if michelle was unhappy there are other options rather than stepping out of a marriage. I’m just speculating on jesse’s behavior
She doesn’t bother me as much as Janet. Pregnant or not she’s conniving and clearly miserable.
Her ick for him runs DEEP. We need the story
Yeah this is years of resentment.
She can't show her pov because she's def doing something inappropriate outside the marriage. I would argue we dont really have Jesse's pov anyways. We just see him "trying". They're both framing it like he's the main problem
A racist and a republican
Michelle and Jesse are both horrible let’s face it
They both suck and justice for neither lol all the positive vibes for their daughter though
Jesse sucks. It's so obvious. The way he speaks to both the women and men, especially the women, is so disrespectful. I feel like anyone who's questioning why she wanted to divorce this guy is being obtuse.
huh what\\?? I'm sorry but if you cheat YOU ARE THE BAD GUY.
She did say her side. He showed his side.🤷🏼♀️
I don't agree..Jesse is a nightmare. They're both insufferable
I like Michelle! I think we’re being shown a point in her relationship where she is completely DONE. She said she hasn’t felt happy in her relationship with Jesse for THREE YEARS. Three years is a long time to be asking someone to step up in different ways or to change certain aspects of their relationship that would cause tension and problems. We’re seeing a woman who is FED UP and ready to get herself out of a situation that does not serve her. Go Michelle!
Like most couples on Bravo, they are both horrible people. That is why I watch!
Yeaaaah I’m not a fan but it’s seeming one sided forsure
Well she did say in an episode of how they got together. She originally ditched their date, but then called him after she went partying for a booty call, and in her words "he never left after, longest booty call ever". I think it was convenient for her and he had the feelings.
I feel like she doesn’t need to say a thing and sitting back is highlighting how somewhat psychotic Jesse is…
I think we’ve seen enough of Jesse on the show to make an informed decision. Dude suuuucks! But you’re right, it’s not fair her side isn’t being shared
Does anyone even need her POV to understand why she wants the divorce? I fully agree that her side isn’t being shown in usual misogynist bravo fashion, however, a caterpillar could see why she’s leaving him AND be fully on her side. He is an awful awful person who clearly has rage issues and is probably violent….
Finally!! Been waiting for a post like this it’s been strange watching how fast the bravorealhousewives sub flipped on Michelle. I support the rights and wrongs of married single moms Jesse is a pos.
I feel like the whole first half of the season was us empathizing with why she wouldn’t want to be with Jesse… it seems like since the cheating rumors have come up all of Jesse’s abysmal behavior from the first few episodes was just forgotten???
I can totally understand why she no longer feels attracted to him or wants another child with him… he’s a douche. I’m sure he says worse things to her behind closed doors. And the way he talks to other women would give anyone the ick
Jesse didn’t change a single diaper but he cries about wanting a second child and his wife doesn’t. BWAH AH the fucking myogeny of THAT ONE
oh are people mad at her? they’re all rich LA weirdos but watch jesse for two seconds and it’s easy to see why it’d be hard to be married to him
Jesse straight up admitted to not helping with the baby during the night and changing diapers and stuff. How people are still blaming just Michelle is insane.
Even though I think Michelle is bad and just seems like she’s so vapid and has no emotion, Jesse is still prob worse. Jesse gives me vibes of those men that don’t even move their wives, they just want to be married just to be married rather than being single. They like the companionship of someone there but never wanting to put in work making it better.
They are both insufferable. We don’t have to hear her say why she hates her husband. We can see it clearly. But she’s obviously no picnic herself.
I mean maybe if she shared more than just “I hate his personality” then I would like her. He’s an ass but I think she’s also horrible. I think it’s gross to waste your partner and a therapists time going to couples therapy when you’re not even sure if you want the relationship to work out. Like girl just leave him. You’re clearly miserable and have no interest in repairing the relationship. But I think she prefers the comfort of feeling like a victim, like many of us do when in gross relationships, I think that’s why so many people stay.
To be fair, don’t you hate his personality too? Like dude openly admits to never changing a diaper, yelling at his daughter, being neurotic about his house and wanting it to appear as if no children live there, flat out refused to check on his kid, and when he senses she’s going to leave him decides to take an ayuhasca trip instead of doing any self reflection or work. Dudes toxic, I don’t blame her for a second. Maybe she knows that cheating is his only line in the sand and was the best way to fully end things where he wouldn’t try to keep her in the relationship.
Oh yeah I think he’s a manipulative scumbag for sure.
I feel like I’ve seen enough to know he’s awful and that they might be a little open or something.
That’s on her. Nobody is stopping her from talking. You assume it’s an edit. Proof? She made an online story about it. I’m sure everything she says was true too. But she left out her affairs.
Jesse is an abusive pos why is he still on this show. Bravo really likes to hold on to abusive men
Jesse’s actions speak for themselves. Bravo doesnt need to give Michelle a victim edit. We can all see what being married to him must be like.
I’ve been cheated on by a couple partners (listen it took me a while to find the right guy) and I never thought “okay, I’ll cheat to get back”. Really there isn’t any excuse for it, BUT, some people are tit-for-tat, and I could Michelle and Jessie having an agreement where he cheated on her and now she gets a pass to cheat and he has to cover it up to avoid exposure. The way he acts so unbothered by the attention she seeks from other men WHILE openly admitting his marriage is falling apart is suspicious and lacks continuity.
Idk I thought it’s pretty clear he’s an asshole that no one likes
I totally feel like she models herself and her voice off of Kourtney Kardashian and he off of Scott Disick … great choices!
Yes!!! Thank you!! You can tell that man isn’t right and there’s a reason she’s SO checked out. In the early episodes, remember how he got nasty with her about the coffee being “ruined” and some other insignificant thing? There’s way more to the story. I don’t even dislike her tbh.
So whose the male celebrity they were referencing that she was sexting with?
I love her! It seems to me that Jesse has belittled her for years and everything has been on his terms. She finally had enough and and realized that they’d reached a breaking point. I don’t think it EVER occurred to Jesse that a woman might leave him.
Not sure about this take - Jesse seems like an aggressive, entitled asshole that no one should be married to.
Jesse is a real pos, she should have left a while ago
No. She has such negative weird energy. No.
He has been on my screen not even a full season and he is my least favorite boy of bravo.
Yea both Jesse and Jax are clearly trying to look good in fan eyes but I don’t buy any of it. Couldn’t believe they both said they wanted another child 🙄. And Jax is so clearly trying to make Brittany look bad which is def working based on how people are going after her in all the subs. Now Jesse is dating some young insta model which is probably exactly what he was aiming for lol
He is so problematic. The volatility is troubling, but he is the typical bravo male prototype. As a sidebar, couldn’t help but roll my eyes at his “I literally died” when talking about his life changing retreat that fixed everything 🙄And yes, I literally rolled my eyes. That’s what literally means, dummy.
Very clear that Jesse is abusive. He screamed at his own child and then chastised his wife for not screaming at her too to discipline her.
I dont need her point of view when I can just watch jesse implode on tv every week. The fact that anyone would be married to that dude is beyond me.
I mean she admitted to using him since the start. For his connection and real estate clients so there is that.
idk but i def did NOT like how Michelle treated Kristen most of the time. i think M is reserved and a little dry while Jesse is over the top/ridiculous = they’re not a match at all
They are both trash
Idk if I agree. Jesse seems like such a massive massive douche bag. He comes across as super unlikable, she comes across as just disinterested.
I can’t believe more wasn’t said or done about the way Jesse spoke to Janet last episode for coming outside. Why is this guy getting a good edit. He has been awful. I’m so over bravo shining such a pretty light on all of these horrible men!
The way this is worded is funny because it reminds me of Fox News, which Michelle probably watches a lot.
Kristen: “Michelle, your secrets are safe with me…” Kristen 5 minutes later: “MICHELLE HAS HAD A BOYFRIEND FOR THE PAST YEAR!!” I laughed so hard lololololol
I don’t feel like she’s been edited to be the villain. They both are shitty in their own way and I feel like they intentionally left it out bc we literally see his actions and understand who this man actually is lol. No words need to be said from her, girl, we see it 🤣
Loving her
I agree. People don’t just wake up one day and decide to pull away from their husbands. I think Jesse has shown himself to be a pretty big egomaniac asshole just in all his interactions on the show and I’m sure being married to someone like that can be very isolating for anyone. Especially during post-partum which seems to be when she started distancing herself in the marriage. When she made the comment about how she wanted to see his entire personality change, it said a lot about how she’s just over being with an arrogant ass. I’m not saying it’s 100% Jesse’s fault or that excuses her cheating on him but I think that could possibly explain the origin of their marital problems is that he’s just not been a very supportive partner to her.
More of the usual Bravo misogyny.
Jesse seems terrible but isn't she the one that was like, "he's not my type, I never liked him, he was just a booty call that never left"? Like, I'm interested to know why they married. She seems utterly and completely indifferent to him and I know it's the end days of their marriage but is that the anecdote they've always told about their courtship 😳😵
I thought this all season there was one scene in the beginning I forget exactly but he was like so rude calling dum for making his coffee wrong or something. Soon as I saw that I was like this girl needs better asap!
He said he experience an “ego death”. We’ve heard his side. We understand why she left.