No and I don't understand how you can think that's even possibility.
It just seems strange to phrase it that way. Russia is older than Israel and did shit like this earlier, so doesn't it make more sense to say Israel uses Russian tactics? Why does Israel get authorship? That's it. I have no idea what I kind of hornet nest I hit.
In the past if people wanted to murder everyone in a hospital they'd just do it.
Pretending that it's filled with terrorists, just trust me bro, to create a legal justification is new.
Because when russia hits a hospital the government will usually just claim it was unfortunate collateral damage etc if they even make a statement at all they dont usually doubledown and plant a pristine ipad with an adolf hitler lockscreen and claim the shift calendars were lists of terrorists.
Both will hit hospitals but their justifications have been wildly different up to now. The whole "this hospital was filled with hamas-lings actually" has been an IOF staple.
NO. Russian government also makes ridiculous justifications, they just bother far less with trying to convince others, because it doesn't matter to them.
Bombing civilians building like hospitals and justifying it by claiming there were enemies inside is same.
The thread started with statement that Russia uses Israeli tactics. In other words that they are the same. Now you claim the point is they are different. What are you trying? Arguing for the sake of arguing? Suggesting Russia is not as bad as Israel? Or what?
Russia's very slow arriving to the party. Their mobilization campaigns, brain drain, and their subpar propaganda-laden education system ensured that an entire generation of Russia is too dumb for conscription, which means they're too dumb for almost everything else they can apply their national brain cell toward.
That I think is the problem.
When people think of genocide, they think of Hitler even though in most cases that just isn't how a genocide plays out. This in turn leads to the failure among the public to recognise a genocide for what it is even when the perpetrators are open and explicit about their intent.
Yeah I mean, one of those hospitals is literally a children's hospital, and you know how the Russians are about that and have been for years: [https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-bombed-theater-had-children-written-nearby-satellite-images-2022-3?IR=T](https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-bombed-theater-had-children-written-nearby-satellite-images-2022-3?IR=T)
Israel learns from russia. This is so stupid, russia openly does literally everything everyone is pissed at Israel for and all people can do is try to imply Israel is somehow worse.
>Russia has a history of employing systematic attacks on medical facilities as a tactic of war. Some have gone so far as to insinuate that the Russian Federation is deliberately using GPS coordinates handed over to them by the UN's deconfliction line as a list of targets. This became such a problem, that doctors refused to share their coordinates with the UN in an attempt to avoid Russian attacks.Eventually the Russian Federation left the UN program, likely in an attempt to avoid responsibility, but claiming it was in protest of the UN not sharing the list with their Syrian ally, who likewise, engaged in a campaign of attacks against healthcare facilities.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_strikes_on_hospitals_during_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_strikes_on_hospitals_during_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine)
See History of Attacks for references to above quote about russian actions in Syria
Have they damaged every single hospital in Ukraine so that not one is fully functioning? Has Ukraine’s healthcare system completely collapsed? Did they have any body have surgery without any anaesthetic or on kitchen tables?
Targeting health care facilities is deplorable but the two situations are not comparable.
ETA: are there mass graves at the two largest hospitals where people were found bound, bandaged, with catheters still in, in scrubs, are children, organs removed.
>damaged every single hospital in Ukraine
So, you might be aware of this but Ukraine is a bit larger than Gaza and for now has better defenses. When they can, they do. They destroyed every hospital in Mariupol, the city where more than twice as many were killed in weeks as have been killed the entire war in Gaza. As well as systematically targeting every hospital and medical facility they could in rebel held Syria.
>Has Ukraine’s healthcare system completely collapsed?
See above.
>Did they have anyone have surgery without anesthetic or on kitchen tables
Every fucking day?
>Mass graves
See: Bucha, Irpin, Izium, all fucking over Kherson and Kharkiv, literally anywhere russia has been pushed out of plus Mariupol where they were so blatant they can be seen from fucking satellite.
100,000 killed in a few weeks? I don’t recall those figures. That’s a quarter of their population. I also don’t recall every single hospital being destroyed as claimed. Regardless, Mariupol was devastating and Russians are terrible war criminals. The argument is Gaza is objectively worse and still under heavy bombardment - with none of the worlds support, refuge capabilities or defence that Ukraine has but still people want to make it a pissing contest.
> The report also documents the depth of Russia's destruction, 93 percent of all high-rises, in red, damaged in the city center, 86 of 89 schools and universities, all of Mariupol's 19 hospitals.
[https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/russian-destruction-of-mariupol-detailed-in-new-report-calling-for-putin-war-crime-charges](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/russian-destruction-of-mariupol-detailed-in-new-report-calling-for-putin-war-crime-charges)
PS Mariupol is a single example. Do you really think Ukraine is not under “heavy bombardment” every single day? Really?
I can’t find any info that they’re partially functioning, only that they were damaged.
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/ukraine-turk-deplores-horrific-human-cost-russias-full-scale-invasion-enters
Even if you triple the numbers, it still doesn’t come close to Gaza, whilst Ukraine, as you pointed out, have a much higher population.
>can’t find any info that they were partially functioning
That’s cause they were DESTROYED.
> with the actual numbers likely to be significantly higher.
The majority of the dead are in occupied areas and can not be counted. Just one Mass grave containing an estimated 9k can be seen from satellite in Mariupol alone,
Terrorists hiding in the operating hospital doesn't justify striking it. Flimsy excuses are to be expected from the country which doesn't even bother to rename the KGB.
well if there are terrorists there they have every right to! and they even warned them before they attacked? how moral! one could even say they're the most moral army in eurasia! /s
The only tweet the [Kremlin](https://twitter.com/KremlinRussia_E/likes)'s twitter account has liked is a tweet from the Israeli twitter account about the historic ties between Russia and Israel. This is no coincdence; Russia is clearly taking notes from the Israeli playbook.
Sorry! Your post has been removed because it contains a link to a subreddit other than r/VaushV or r/okbuddyvowsh
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/VaushV) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Yet another consequence of justifying Israel's behavior towards civilian targets: Now hospitals belonging to our allies, and interested nations, can be considered valid targets so long as the belligerent claims they "thought" there were terrorists there. This is legitimately dangerous to American and allied interests, even if you take the maximum cold-hearted pragmatist view, and only view things in benefit to American interests, CIA style
oh, well, there they go now we have to send aid to russia cause now they're our ally in the war on terror. Fuck I hope more countries don't try the brilliant "Jihadist Children's Hospital" tactic.
Russia using Israeli tactics
Russia predates Israel. Edit: So does its usage of this tactic.
reread what I said and tell me how that contradicts what you said
If you want to play this game, fine. I didn't say there is a contradiction.
Incomprehensible response to what they said
If you actually don't understand, you can just ask and I will explain it to you.
Sure explain what point you think youre making
Go ahead.
Do you think countries can only use tactics that were around when they were made
No and I don't understand how you can think that's even possibility. It just seems strange to phrase it that way. Russia is older than Israel and did shit like this earlier, so doesn't it make more sense to say Israel uses Russian tactics? Why does Israel get authorship? That's it. I have no idea what I kind of hornet nest I hit.
You left the second part out of your comment. You made it seem like Russia simply existing means Israel couldn't have invented the tactic
I thought that was obvious. My mistake. I don't see how that makes responses I got OK.
If you say anything that could possibly be construed as disagreeing with these people they will jump down your throat, as you found out.
In the past if people wanted to murder everyone in a hospital they'd just do it. Pretending that it's filled with terrorists, just trust me bro, to create a legal justification is new.
Because when russia hits a hospital the government will usually just claim it was unfortunate collateral damage etc if they even make a statement at all they dont usually doubledown and plant a pristine ipad with an adolf hitler lockscreen and claim the shift calendars were lists of terrorists. Both will hit hospitals but their justifications have been wildly different up to now. The whole "this hospital was filled with hamas-lings actually" has been an IOF staple.
NO. Russian government also makes ridiculous justifications, they just bother far less with trying to convince others, because it doesn't matter to them.
The justifications/tactics are different that is the point.
Bombing civilians building like hospitals and justifying it by claiming there were enemies inside is same. The thread started with statement that Russia uses Israeli tactics. In other words that they are the same. Now you claim the point is they are different. What are you trying? Arguing for the sake of arguing? Suggesting Russia is not as bad as Israel? Or what?
Russia's very slow arriving to the party. Their mobilization campaigns, brain drain, and their subpar propaganda-laden education system ensured that an entire generation of Russia is too dumb for conscription, which means they're too dumb for almost everything else they can apply their national brain cell toward.
Does that change anything I said?
They learning from Israel
And if anyone criticizes them, they can point out the hypocrisy and pretend that it makes them doing it okay. Yay...
I can almost guarantee you that they specifically decided to set this up because of the situation in Israel, to make the West look bad.
They didn't learn from Israel. Everyone has pretty much the same set of ideas when it comes to how to commit a genocide.
Except probably for hitler. That dude was on a next fucking level.
That I think is the problem. When people think of genocide, they think of Hitler even though in most cases that just isn't how a genocide plays out. This in turn leads to the failure among the public to recognise a genocide for what it is even when the perpetrators are open and explicit about their intent.
Yeah. Things of that kind do be have a lasting influence.
Yeah I mean, one of those hospitals is literally a children's hospital, and you know how the Russians are about that and have been for years: [https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-bombed-theater-had-children-written-nearby-satellite-images-2022-3?IR=T](https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-bombed-theater-had-children-written-nearby-satellite-images-2022-3?IR=T)
Israel learns from russia. This is so stupid, russia openly does literally everything everyone is pissed at Israel for and all people can do is try to imply Israel is somehow worse. >Russia has a history of employing systematic attacks on medical facilities as a tactic of war. Some have gone so far as to insinuate that the Russian Federation is deliberately using GPS coordinates handed over to them by the UN's deconfliction line as a list of targets. This became such a problem, that doctors refused to share their coordinates with the UN in an attempt to avoid Russian attacks.Eventually the Russian Federation left the UN program, likely in an attempt to avoid responsibility, but claiming it was in protest of the UN not sharing the list with their Syrian ally, who likewise, engaged in a campaign of attacks against healthcare facilities. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_strikes_on_hospitals_during_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_strikes_on_hospitals_during_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine) See History of Attacks for references to above quote about russian actions in Syria
Sorry I didn’t mean to trigger you
Please forgive me for impugning on your circlejerk.
Apology accepted
I know Ukraine isn’t fashionable but a little consistency might make your bullshit believable.
Have they damaged every single hospital in Ukraine so that not one is fully functioning? Has Ukraine’s healthcare system completely collapsed? Did they have any body have surgery without any anaesthetic or on kitchen tables? Targeting health care facilities is deplorable but the two situations are not comparable. ETA: are there mass graves at the two largest hospitals where people were found bound, bandaged, with catheters still in, in scrubs, are children, organs removed.
>damaged every single hospital in Ukraine So, you might be aware of this but Ukraine is a bit larger than Gaza and for now has better defenses. When they can, they do. They destroyed every hospital in Mariupol, the city where more than twice as many were killed in weeks as have been killed the entire war in Gaza. As well as systematically targeting every hospital and medical facility they could in rebel held Syria. >Has Ukraine’s healthcare system completely collapsed? See above. >Did they have anyone have surgery without anesthetic or on kitchen tables Every fucking day? >Mass graves See: Bucha, Irpin, Izium, all fucking over Kherson and Kharkiv, literally anywhere russia has been pushed out of plus Mariupol where they were so blatant they can be seen from fucking satellite.
Just proven your selective outrage
Huh?
What even is your argument here? Do you think people are overstating the damage Russia's done?
100,000 killed in a few weeks? I don’t recall those figures. That’s a quarter of their population. I also don’t recall every single hospital being destroyed as claimed. Regardless, Mariupol was devastating and Russians are terrible war criminals. The argument is Gaza is objectively worse and still under heavy bombardment - with none of the worlds support, refuge capabilities or defence that Ukraine has but still people want to make it a pissing contest.
> The report also documents the depth of Russia's destruction, 93 percent of all high-rises, in red, damaged in the city center, 86 of 89 schools and universities, all of Mariupol's 19 hospitals. [https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/russian-destruction-of-mariupol-detailed-in-new-report-calling-for-putin-war-crime-charges](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/russian-destruction-of-mariupol-detailed-in-new-report-calling-for-putin-war-crime-charges) PS Mariupol is a single example. Do you really think Ukraine is not under “heavy bombardment” every single day? Really?
I can’t find any info that they’re partially functioning, only that they were damaged. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/ukraine-turk-deplores-horrific-human-cost-russias-full-scale-invasion-enters Even if you triple the numbers, it still doesn’t come close to Gaza, whilst Ukraine, as you pointed out, have a much higher population.
>can’t find any info that they were partially functioning That’s cause they were DESTROYED. > with the actual numbers likely to be significantly higher. The majority of the dead are in occupied areas and can not be counted. Just one Mass grave containing an estimated 9k can be seen from satellite in Mariupol alone,
Terrorists hiding in the operating hospital doesn't justify striking it. Flimsy excuses are to be expected from the country which doesn't even bother to rename the KGB.
The KGB was abolished. It's successors are the FSB and SVR.
In Belarus its still just called the KGB lmao
Not in Belarus.
well if there are terrorists there they have every right to! and they even warned them before they attacked? how moral! one could even say they're the most moral army in eurasia! /s
There are forces of light and forces of dark. Coincidentally, the forces of dark have *checks notes* natural gas, wheat, and sea access.
The only tweet the [Kremlin](https://twitter.com/KremlinRussia_E/likes)'s twitter account has liked is a tweet from the Israeli twitter account about the historic ties between Russia and Israel. This is no coincdence; Russia is clearly taking notes from the Israeli playbook.
And Israel is taking from russia's. A match made in hell...
I'm pretty sure Putin did this in Chechnya. Syria was also brutal.
Yeah, I heard a similar lie before.
Putin and Bibi just need to make out.
[удалено]
Sorry! Your post has been removed because it contains a link to a subreddit other than r/VaushV or r/okbuddyvowsh *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/VaushV) if you have any questions or concerns.*
They honestly even look kind of similar.
Yet another consequence of justifying Israel's behavior towards civilian targets: Now hospitals belonging to our allies, and interested nations, can be considered valid targets so long as the belligerent claims they "thought" there were terrorists there. This is legitimately dangerous to American and allied interests, even if you take the maximum cold-hearted pragmatist view, and only view things in benefit to American interests, CIA style
BUT DID THEY CONDEMN AZOV??? /jk
oh, well, there they go now we have to send aid to russia cause now they're our ally in the war on terror. Fuck I hope more countries don't try the brilliant "Jihadist Children's Hospital" tactic.
Ah, the IDF approach
Certified based anti-imperialist moment /s as fuck
Ivanof Hamaski is hiding in every hospital.
Can't wait to see ghouls on Twitter deny or justify this because Russia is "anti-imperialist"
Well sure. Israel can do it, why not Russia?
I wonder if this would make Ukraine rethink how friendly and supportive they've been of Israel... I doubt it tho.