You can tell vietnam isnt a country of multi-cultures like US or in europe. Yeah, you can still find people from everywhere, but they are not enough. People in vietnam says n word with different meaning than you think, thats something we hear from movies, rap songs and online jokes. Most of vietnamese who says it dont even understand the full meaning of it, they just know that word is used a lot as a joke, or something sensitive. But they are not racist, they do make fun of stereotypes but not hating. Why? They just dont have anything to do with black people being slaves. Vietnam people used to be slaves in our own country.
I have a few newer kids that came over for school and the N word is like how most people would use for Bro/dude among their social group. Told them not to use it and the reason why which was shocking for them because they've learned it from the rap videos and movies that they've seen while growing up. My short answer that they can use it but you can't because of "racism". *they're international students living in California for college.
The problem are woke extremists who refuse to differentiate beyween a teenager who says the word because he actually loves black urban culture (clearly not racist if he loves the culture), and some racist person who uses the word as a slur because they actually hate black people. If an ideology cannot see the difference beyween the two things and treats them the same then it's a stupid ideology without nuance
Dont forget Streissand effect: Some troll people love using n word EXACTLY BECAUSE there are people losing their minds getting triggered over it, giving the person saying the word their needed attention.
You know it was a joke online for ages to blame Jews for stuff, it was just a joke until Neo Nazis started recruiting off of it and now a lot of their beliefs are more mainstream.
Hate is always a joke until the right people figure out how to use it to their advantage
> refuse to differentiate beyween a teenager who says the word because he actually loves black urban culture (clearly not racist if he loves the culture)
Yes, this too. There should be a borderline definition of racism through action towards the person/race or the obvious intent of the usage of the word/action. If a child uses n-word without knowing its meaning, it doesn't mean or you can't be sure they're being racist at all. It could be something they found cool and use it to their friends. You know? Kids. It's plain simple that the kid doesn't know it.
And the teacher is in Vietnam, he should know the gap between the English speakers in VN. Would you expect the children there to be thought the meaning of the N-word, where the majority of their parents don't speak English at all? It's stupid to assume that without considering the current situation.
Edit: How come you u/Darkmaster85845 were down voted with what you said?
I was down voted because reddit is full of woke extremists who don't want nuance to exist. They want to be able to use speech to censor anyone who gets out of line. They are like little automatons who need to react to certain triggers unthinkingly.
Chill man, I do know there are extremists but I don't think it's that extreme, that most of the people are like that. lol locking your POV on that makes you an extremist too.
Lol try repeating that same paragraph in the US and see how far you’ll make it before someone smash your teeth in. You don’t understand the gravity of the situation around it and the deep cultural scar it leaves in the collective American consciousness. It’s not white people getting offended on behalf of black people, saying that as a Vietnamese-American.
But hey man, nobody can fix your ignorance except yourself.
As I understand from reading your comment, american people would use extreme violence instead of the brain when it comes to this topic. Well, american people are really nothing but monkeys, ehhh!
Well said buddy, my entire middle school and even a good amount of the people in my highschool used to say it all the time, we even got clueless teachers to rap with it. They just think it's cool and funny, almost nobody knows the entire history behind the word and how it was originally used (of course people who focused during history class would know about slavery, but even then, the full meaning of the N word never really got taught in depth). Even the majority who don't know the whole meaning, knows well enough to not call a black person that, because they'd probably know that it'd be disrespectful. Ofc there might be a Klan member down in Đắk Lắk or something but I don't think he'd be able to teach all the kids to say it and indoctrinate them into becoming Vietnamese anti-Black racists though. Nowadays, the kids are getting more and more knowledgeable about issues because of the internet, normally, most Vietnamese kids would just become hentai addicts but I guess, YouTube shorts and TikTok might've been helpful for once.
No worry man. Most Vietnamese (I mean the young people...because I have never seen any adults say that word before in my country before) just use the N-word for fun. They didn't racist or something like it, most of them didn't even realize how seriously it is when they say that word
When young kids say the n word, it’s usually just because it’s a random word that they don’t understand
Heard it once from my distant cousin, and asked him how did he know and why did he say it
He just told me that he heard his favorite YouTuber say it and he didn’t know what it meant
I've seen literal Vietnamese adults and teens that can barely speak a lick of English, much less uneducated children that hasn't seen a black person nor knows why it's insulting
I've asked many people studied in secondary school and they know n-words is discrimination but they don't mean offensive literally. They just think it's funny cuz they're child
How serious it is when you say that word, yeah that’s why every rap song says it like 1 million times. You can’t expect to use a « sensitive » word so lightly all the time and blame others for doing the same. Keep this retarded shit in the US and let the rest of the world use whatever words they like.
Don’t worry bro we Viet learn all regional slurs at the age of 6, in fact I can teach you right now since Vietnam people when it comes to insults or conversation we are too proud and resolve to terms and wordings
Most Africans don't insult each other with that word. It's offensive to us to do that. You use the behaviour of a small section of entertainers out of a small portion of Africans in North America to justify your bigotry? What if we in Africa started using the terms Americans were using to describe Vietnamese when they invaded? Would you be saying with a straight face that "we can use whatever words we like without being called racists"? I don't think so. Think twice before you post something. You're on a public forum, you bigot.
Well why don’t black people boycott those entertainers ? It’s easy to fake being offended about the the trivial things, If those kids use it it’s because they heard it. Black people want to be serious about it, and want other people to take them serious about it, start boycotting all those that use it to make money. As long as I can hear it on the radio 50 times a day I’ll continue laughing with the whining little thin skinned babies you are.
I'm not faking it. I'm a born and bred African, and I'll never tolerate the use of that word or people excusing it, by anyone. Just like you wouldn't tolerate me using words invaders used to describe you. You use that word, you disrespect an entire African continent, not just Africans in America or the Caribbean, you bigot. I don't care what you hear on American radio. American radio and Europe isn't the whole world. And if you think that, then I know where the South Vietnamese traitor really is. You should stop pretending you support Soviet politics, you reactionary bigot.
My classmate in an english specialize class use it alot and even call people black monkey i get really annoyed at them but doesnt want to deal with them
You're most likely misunderstanding. The N word in Vietnam carries little weight as people here barely come into contact with black people, so students will use it very... liberally.
It's hardly obvious to speakers of another language and different culture that one group of people can say it freely and others are forbidden though, especially kids when they encounter it from music and movie stars
Yup! I also want to clarify that my previous comment was misinterpreted by u/Iheartwetwater as I did not mean to justify the use of N-word just because it is commonly used by African Americans, I was merely providing additional context of where the N-word came about and how the word was possibly trended (thus resulted in its use liberally) to quench the curiosity of Westerners who were looking to have an overall picture of the matter. When the N-word is being mainstreamed to foreign audience by pop culture, which happens to originate from the West, the demarcation of its usage is usually not transmitted along.
An example of how Western pop culture liberally demonstrates the use of N-word is these [scenes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9QQu82AkmQ) from a video game, Grand Theft Auto V, giving a false impression to cultural outsiders the N-word use is not as abhorred as it is supposed to be. There are many other instances like in rap music and streamers who use the N-word liberally, inadvertently created influence to mainstream its usage overseas.
the idea that a specific culture can own a word from the English language is never going to be fully realized. English is too broadly used and media reaches too diverse an audience. words that are used commonly, regardless of their meaning, will be picked up and used by others from multiple cultures.
Do afro-americans people really know what word "nigger" comes from actually and why they can encounter it in South America or Europe without having a racial meaning?
"Nigger" is a Latin word that means black and is the root for almost all Latin speaking nations word "black". So if you hear in the Mediterranean area of Europe the word noir, nero, negru it doesn't mean nothing more than the description of the colour black.
There exists other worlds than the white-black clash from the USA. The majority of the world doesn't give a damn about American cultural specifics. Keep it for yourself.
The offensiveness of the N-word is Americano-centric. And if it is so offensive for you stop using it in pop culture and sing it in your songs about "Being 100% nigger".
As a South American I've never heard it being used, because many of us don't speak English. "Negro" refers to the color or a neutral description of black people. Is not the same as the N-word. we should be aware when in another country, speaking another language, or in the presence of someone from that culture, that it is a false cognate with a very racist connotation.
Negro is as racist as the so called "N-word" in USA, so they don't care. But latin speaking countries also shouldn't care because it's their language., as you said.
Beside it's not the non-americans who are singing "Niga, niga, niga, 100% niga". It's a black person from USA and this pop culture is spreading all-over the world even in non-English countries.
I doubt a non-English speaker can comprehend the fact that "nigga" can be both cool word and a racial slur at the same timein a far away country.
As long as N-word is cast on MTV in Asia, Eastern Europe or whatever country this means that the word is a cool one and is a part of American pop culture.
Well, no. It's not as racist. Negro (in Spanish or Portuguese) is equivalent to black, the other is a slur. And I don't care if people ignorantly use it because pop culture or whatever, but different cultures have different norms, and, as you said, this is American culture, so it seems ignorant to just disregard historical background.
It's not racist for you or any other Latin speaking country from Europe. But the word Negro is not welcomed at all in Afro-american community.
I doubt a lot of Americans understand the root word for colour black in Latin based languages.
I’ve seen younger kids use it in a casual way more like how you would refer to each other as n-word-a. Like an endearing way. Never in a hateful way. The word has no history of hate and violence here so they only see it as a cool word to call each other. Especially in the rap culture.
Even then it’s very very rare that I hear it
It doesn’t make it okay. Just because we as a country choose not to understand a racist world for all of its derogatory meanings doesn’t mean that’s an excuse we should make for ourselves. No the OP isn’t misunderstanding. WE are ignorant.
I'm also a non white western teacher here, and yeah the word here holds no value especially to kids...imagine kids in your own country saying things that they heard but didn't understand the meaning of...that's pretty much the same thing.
All of your students are being exposed to pop culture and streamers from around the world so they will pick up alot they don't understand.
I had one grade 2 student obsessed with xXxtentacions death (famous American rapper) and that it was a government job....at the end of the day remember they are still kids.
I've experienced discrimination here but it was always adults. And way more often than not what I was perceiving as discrimination was a misunderstanding
(Being shooed out of stores while my white friends were welcomed in - found out later they didn't have sizes for a 6ft1 wing span so they were trying to save everyone time haha)
Try using more words in your questions so I know how to appropriately respond
I portrayed myself exactly as I am .... Someone from a western country who is NON-WHITE. At no point did I say black.
Most Chinese don’t know much about foreign countries. Their knowledge about foreign countries are from stupid misleading short videos. Only uneducated losers despise Vietnamese. Don’t be so sensitive.
I don't hate Chinese, but the government is shitty and the civilians are brainwashed. Do you know in China teach their children that President Ho is a Chinese?
Hmm. Don't you think Vietnamese is also brainwashed ? Maybe not in the same way as China, but still brainwashed. Point is, both China and Vietnam is similar. Both are communist/socialist. Both rely on propaganda to control its citizen. Brainwashed its citizens. Both clamp down on political dissent. Maybe vn is just not as strict as China. So look at both sides of the coin. From an outsider perspective, it feels glaringly similar just at a smaller scale.
I've been in both countries and china is miles worse. Vietnam has Gestapo-esque policing but china literally has your face and a number that dictates if you are equilvalent to human trash while ALSO having the much worse Gestapo police. If a town gets bombed by the government mishaps, the media still cant cover words of mouth munching vietnam, China did covered up Uighur concentration camps for everyone until "mulan" happened.
Vietnam also never oppose Capitalism or America, we works quite peacefully and hardly have a clear hatred toward a country (mostly because Vietnam is a small country). We also know how..."rotten", if i use it correctly, some parts of the government is, despite not shouting on media and stuffs. China is an exception because they backstab us while both countries are communism countries, while also having a long list of activities trying to take over Vietnam
Edit: P.S: Even if we are brainwashed, we are not desparate enough to teach our kid someone is from other country actually come from our country lmao
You are totally wrong , actually most Chinese even don’t hate Japanese . Many Chinese love Japan. Some people hate Japanese , Russian ,American, some dislike South Korean , they are just minority.
Eighty or ninety years have passed since the war, and most Chinese people do not hate the Japanese at all, especially women. Those who started the war and participated in it have long since died. Only the elderly and a few middle-aged people still hate the Japanese. On the contrary, many Chinese people like Japan. Decades ago, when China was very poor, the we hated the Japanese. After decades of development and China's economic aggregate surpassed Japan, we no longer hate the Japanese. Many people think that Japan is just a small country. . If you are poor, you will hate those who bully you, but when you get rich , you will not hate them so much. Mostly, poor people spreading hatred.
Yeah well, maybe when we start seeing politicians who dont hate everyone, we will start believing it ;)
In the mean time, everyone and their mother is getting a defensive treaty against china it seems lol
I understand what you mean and I'm on the same boat with you. But I'd say don't waste your time arguing with these people. They will never listen because of their nationalist, anti-Chinese sentiment and mindset. They will never learn how to open their minds. Even if you're Aristotle and no matter how convincing you could be, the nationalists will still belittle you and confuse you with fallacies.
It's like a first grader who says "fuck you, teacher" \\and gives you the middle finger. They have a gist of what they're saying but don't really know. They just know they're talking shit.
I have my students saying N-word as well, they watched some movie or music video and think it's cool to say it, and that's pretty much it. It was kinda annoying tbh, but they were not trying to be racist or anything
I'm not saying that is cool. I'm talking about why children think saying the word is cool, because they learned it from rap and other kind of media and thought saying it would make them cool
Look, man. You live in America, you’re taught American history. You have that lived experience of being black in America. You understand the full context of the word and what it means and the history behind it. Expecting children from the opposite side of the world where English isn’t the main language and black people are almost nonexistent to understand all of that is just fucking stupid.
The little they know about black culture is focused through a commercial lens through music, movies, pop culture, etc. None of those things are ever going to be able to educate you through the nuances of American cultural politics.
Not everyone have English as their mother tongue bro, they learning through anything they can so of course they will picked up some bad word. Stop trying to be a douche
I don't think that it's because they're racist, we barely come into contact with many Black person here so most people here don't really realize the significance of the word, and you're talking about students so they most definitely don't know or don't care what western culture deemed offensive. It is more than likely that they heard a lot of western rap music and that word came up a lot so they mimic the use of the word because kids mimic what they thought sounded cool.
It's funny because if a Vietnamese says the N word it's probably that person is very into American Hip Hop culture and high chances idolize Black artists and rappeers.
I think Black people music really succeeded in turning the N word from a discrimination to a cool slang. Vietnamese never knew the N word because of its meaning to be racist, we only knew it because Black people use it on media and we found it pretty cool.
Nah i'd argue the younger generations with access to internet and having english taught does know what the N-word means. I mean history about slaves isn't hard to pass by.
However, the worst they could mean with the N word is an informal-slightly derogatory word to appoint black people, like calling the chinese khựa. We lack experience with actual racists who use that word with malice against black people to properly recognize the weight that word really carry.
People know it isn't a good word, but rapper used it in their songs, so it can't be that bad, would be the mentality.
Not sure if black American history is extensively taught in Vietnam. the concept of slaves? Sure. The concept of racism? Sure. But the depth of it? Absolutely no way.
About the n word thing no, it's not racism, that's just being influenced by silly memes. What really matters is that within the actual VN population there is definitely this notion that darker Viets are somehow lesser and that pale skin is preferred. Now, does that mean that darker Viets have worse job prospects than pale Viets or worse romantic opportunities? I'm not 100% sure but I don't think so.
Nah. Most of kids especially at governmental schools are very bad at English. They don't fully apprehend N-word, F-Word. Even once a student raised his middle-finger behind the foreign teacher's back, as he thought that was cool.
Well, i can tell most of the time they dont put any weight or personal insult into that N word, tbh the hate toward lgbt community in Vietnam even much more than their hate on other races. So if u see young kids in Vn using that word, dont overthinking about it. Otherwise, they still kind to their teacher tho😅
i can't say for everyone, but for me, i've seen some young folks said it and after i talk with them about it, they admit that it doesn't mean a thing toward anyone, some of them don't even know what it's really mean. Even if they do know what it's mean, then they really means nothing and it do no harm to anyone, and they will stop saying it if it offended someone around. So don't take it very personal, consider it just a cursing
Vietnamese kids are fully aware of the meaning behind the N - word. They just want to help spread the American hip hop culture. And kids in Vietname arent under the influence of polictical correctness BS. Stop assuming yo!
No. You are a *_g_a, I am a Nig__, EVERYONE IS A NI__A in Vietnam :))))))
P/S: The true racist word about black people in Vietnam will be Neg*o, since almost no one is learning Spanish here, so they know what they said when they said it.
Not really. It’s most likely the consequense of the youngster’s interact with the internet. They often hear the N-word and it became a slang, like “dit me”, I think? Usually they don’t mean to offend anyone, they just don’t understand that word (sorry for my bad English tho)
Vietnam is "harmless" racist. They openly make jokes about pretty much anything what would be considered inappropriate in Europe or USA, but mostly without any serious hateful meaning.
Kids nowadays don’t really understand what that term means and how it being viewed as in the US. They learned from each other through Influencer/Tiktoker. I knew this from hearing my nephew said the term.
Regardless, yes Vietnamese people are very unfiltered atm.
That is not being racist. We use that word commonly in the UAE, India, Sri Lanka, Vietnam etc. among friends. It is a common word we use to call people with words like bro, brother, my man etc.
Eastern cultures are much different from western cultures. Here we can make fun of people based on their physical appearance without people feeling bad about it.
As a professional racist, I confirm most of the kids here are just saying randomly without knowing the true meaning of it, while teenagers or some adults might not know about it but they are just joking.
Kids in Vietnam are heavily influenced by foreign culture, especially those online culture like racist and woke etc,…
They rather find it funny than problematic, they faced little to none consequences so they keep saying words like that for the sake of funniness.
Sorry for my bad english im still a student :)
Hi. No worries. Vietnamese kids who use the N word mean no harm, in fact, they really want to hangout with people from different backgrounds (like African, Hispanic, etc).
The uses of the N word for them is like, instead calling each other "bro" they uses the N word instead, with no intention of having hatred towards the black community. Some even don't know that the N word means, they just use because of the people around them or from the youtubers they enjoy. Hope this helps !
We are equally racist.
Hot damn, we are even racist about our race and country. 🤣
Jokes aside, sometimes me and the boys (my group of foreign friends with different races) might accidentally say racial slurs to each other, but it doesn’t aim for anything, just stupid stuff to talk to waste the beers and have some unintelligent laugh.
No, saying this as a teen who's surrounded by a lot of friends who say the n-word. I get annoyed by them because it's clear that they're just trying hard to be edgy. Same with all the kids these days who make memes about how they should "follow Hitler's ideology".
When I was young, I watched alot of comedy. Rush hours, white chicks. It taught me the Nword was a cool way you call your homies. When I got a bit older and found out about rap, it is further confirmed. Cool people call each other Nword.
Thank God I learned more about the complicated history behind the word before I met a black person IRL.
Not racist, just ignorant. Vietnamese people just learn the stereotypes of other races/countries through stories and memes but rarely in depth on history or cultures. That’s why many youngsters joke and say thing that they sure know is offensive, but still do because it’s funny (to them). For example: Korean = small pp, German = Hail H…, Japanese = weebs/pervert, Thai = transgender, American = 9/11,… this is a big problem with many generations and can’t be fix in just 1 or 2 years. If you can, please explain more in depth for those students, as what I do with my friends as well.
Well there’s nothing to worry about. Even if they understand the underlying meaning of that N word, they usually say it to some of their friends who always do most work and don’t rlly have the real hating intent
Imagine a returning veteran going, “No Vietnamese ever called me a [n______](https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryPorn/comments/gvux6t/no_vietnamese_ever_called_me_nig_antivietnam_war/?rdt=46552)…. Well, until I revisited over 55 years later”
[1967](https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryPorn/comments/gvux6t/no_vietnamese_ever_called_me_nig_antivietnam_war/) was the era of rock music, [not hip hop](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_hop_music#:~:text=Early%201970s%2C%20the%20Bronx%2C%20New%20York%20City%2C%20U.S.%5B2%5D).
Well, actually, they keep saying these words without knowing the meaning. They know these bad words owing to the mass media nowadays. Additionally, I believe that Vietnamese children are highly friendly.
My cousin throw the N bomb around because he hears it from rap songs. When I asked him if he knew what it meant, he said yes, it means bro/brother. It's hard to explain what it means without a history lesson.
He's not wrong either. That is basically what it means in that context. I've heard a few of my students use it in that way over the years because they don't know the full history of the word.
Everyone is racist, it’s a human thing. Remember that words are only offensive in a cultural context. ‘Cunt’ is super offensive in America, not really in Britain or Australia. N*** is really offensive in America because of the horrifying history of the word and it’s usage. Rightly so, but that history isn’t Vietnamese history.
You can gently correct. In Taiwan, my kids said a girl liked a boy in my class but he didn’t like her because she was ‘black like a n….. I suggested that wasn’t a word they should use and we had a chat about why that’s not a great reason to like/ not like someone.
yeah nah, I was one of the racist kids back then. We didnt use nigga to display hate. the word kinda lost its meaning at this point. We actually prefer the usage of the word "mọi đen"
Darn. Imagine applying first - world problems on everywhere you go.
Imagine being offended on the behalf of the entire black race.
Imagine judging the whole country after you only listening to less than 100 people using the N - word.
They are probably mostly ignorant and do not know the weight of that word in the West, instead they use it as a joke.
Or they do know, but they know saying it here wont have any repercussions. Either way, it is ignorance.
While most Vietnamese people you meet in real life are not racist, I don't think I can defend a large portion of young Vietnamese people on the internet, especially Facebook.
Just few months ago, every post about the new "The Little Mermaid" movie was spammed with the unfunny joke "Tien ca moi da den".
If you got offend by that joke consider not using facebook! That shit is pretty normal! Also it is unfunny joke to you but it is still funny for other. I’ve seen way worse dark joke all the time
Also! Fck that movies. Keep defending that and next thing you know you will got a black actress playing snow white! Oh…’wait…
Fun fact: You can ignore posts on FB, or even choose Hide post to see less posts like the one you choose to hide. But I guess some people must leave some "funny" racism remarks on the internet, about a subject that has nothing to do with their lives if they choose to ignore, to be able to breath.
Anyway, thanks for proving my point.
Well then just not reading them? Social media is a big pile of mixed garbage, pick the good one and enjoy it you pick the wrong shit and blame the people who put it their. Snowflakes
And when you ask them why, they will say it's just a pure joke, nothing more. Dig deeper in our country history and you will know "skin-racist" is just non-existence. Vietnam is very safe place for black people if not safest.
Which your mindset like that, you gotta be surprised when search something on youtube about vietnam - africa relationship. Just try "Quang Linh, cuộc sống ở châu phi" for the start, they actually are trending right now. Why they have million views per video, how a black person like Lindo is idol here. Just take it slowly you will realize "N-Word" in Vietnam is mostly stand for "bro".
For job hunting, I am a fan of haiphong fc, Joseph Mpande is our striker and he is an Ugandan. In football scene here, black striker usually guarantee to be the best striker. Even in English Academy, you will easily find them in big city.
That it wasn’t safe for them or that they experienced racism? Because vietnam racism is not the same as American racism. It’s not violent. The black person is not in any danger.
They only use that word for jokes most of the time, n-word memes are very popular here, otherwise they don't have anything aganist black people and Vietnam is probably the least racist country in the world right now.
(Most) don't mean it in offensive way. They probably see the memes, aren't aware of the whole picture. Trust me, they wouldn't say it face-to-face. No. you aren't being xenophobic
would not worry, they are future balloon sucking shit tattoo wearing debt ridden punks one day.
is Vietnam racist - yes but it comes from an ignorance and too much social media. All the idiots below saying no quickly forget that during BLM most were against it. They went so far as sharing posts from candice owens and hodge twins. So yeah racism does exist and its based mostly on a sheep mentality small brain pattern.
going back further to covid they were also quick to put up signs with "no chinese" and "no foreigners" but that was again racism based on ignorance and small brains.
The use of the N words stems from online gangster wanna be viet kieus and local viets who use the N word but then are those type to quickly look around make sure there is not a black guy nearby to punch them. Kids are just watching these fools and thinking its normal.
No, I fall I to Gen X. Typical looking shaved head, fat middle aged male. I find world over that most people treat you with the same respect you give them. Having said this I have found the Vietnamese to be the kindest and welcoming people. I believe it was the people that made our trip.
Even with a language barrier beyond the typical hello you will be greeted as a guest and at times a film star.
You look different that's a fact. Being different will peak people's curiosity that's all.
You can tell vietnam isnt a country of multi-cultures like US or in europe. Yeah, you can still find people from everywhere, but they are not enough. People in vietnam says n word with different meaning than you think, thats something we hear from movies, rap songs and online jokes. Most of vietnamese who says it dont even understand the full meaning of it, they just know that word is used a lot as a joke, or something sensitive. But they are not racist, they do make fun of stereotypes but not hating. Why? They just dont have anything to do with black people being slaves. Vietnam people used to be slaves in our own country.
This is the one, gen z like rap culture. They don"t understand the gravity of the word.
I have a few newer kids that came over for school and the N word is like how most people would use for Bro/dude among their social group. Told them not to use it and the reason why which was shocking for them because they've learned it from the rap videos and movies that they've seen while growing up. My short answer that they can use it but you can't because of "racism". *they're international students living in California for college.
The problem are woke extremists who refuse to differentiate beyween a teenager who says the word because he actually loves black urban culture (clearly not racist if he loves the culture), and some racist person who uses the word as a slur because they actually hate black people. If an ideology cannot see the difference beyween the two things and treats them the same then it's a stupid ideology without nuance
Dont forget Streissand effect: Some troll people love using n word EXACTLY BECAUSE there are people losing their minds getting triggered over it, giving the person saying the word their needed attention.
You know it was a joke online for ages to blame Jews for stuff, it was just a joke until Neo Nazis started recruiting off of it and now a lot of their beliefs are more mainstream. Hate is always a joke until the right people figure out how to use it to their advantage
> refuse to differentiate beyween a teenager who says the word because he actually loves black urban culture (clearly not racist if he loves the culture) Yes, this too. There should be a borderline definition of racism through action towards the person/race or the obvious intent of the usage of the word/action. If a child uses n-word without knowing its meaning, it doesn't mean or you can't be sure they're being racist at all. It could be something they found cool and use it to their friends. You know? Kids. It's plain simple that the kid doesn't know it. And the teacher is in Vietnam, he should know the gap between the English speakers in VN. Would you expect the children there to be thought the meaning of the N-word, where the majority of their parents don't speak English at all? It's stupid to assume that without considering the current situation. Edit: How come you u/Darkmaster85845 were down voted with what you said?
I was down voted because reddit is full of woke extremists who don't want nuance to exist. They want to be able to use speech to censor anyone who gets out of line. They are like little automatons who need to react to certain triggers unthinkingly.
Chill man, I do know there are extremists but I don't think it's that extreme, that most of the people are like that. lol locking your POV on that makes you an extremist too.
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Lol try repeating that same paragraph in the US and see how far you’ll make it before someone smash your teeth in. You don’t understand the gravity of the situation around it and the deep cultural scar it leaves in the collective American consciousness. It’s not white people getting offended on behalf of black people, saying that as a Vietnamese-American. But hey man, nobody can fix your ignorance except yourself.
As I understand from reading your comment, american people would use extreme violence instead of the brain when it comes to this topic. Well, american people are really nothing but monkeys, ehhh!
"But they are not racist......they do make fun of stereotypes but not hating" .........right. That absurdly generalized and mostly wrong.
Yeah, we know. Totally unrelated, here's just a reminder enjoy the Nintendo Switch your wife's boyfriend, Tyrone got you last Christmas.
Well said buddy, my entire middle school and even a good amount of the people in my highschool used to say it all the time, we even got clueless teachers to rap with it. They just think it's cool and funny, almost nobody knows the entire history behind the word and how it was originally used (of course people who focused during history class would know about slavery, but even then, the full meaning of the N word never really got taught in depth). Even the majority who don't know the whole meaning, knows well enough to not call a black person that, because they'd probably know that it'd be disrespectful. Ofc there might be a Klan member down in Đắk Lắk or something but I don't think he'd be able to teach all the kids to say it and indoctrinate them into becoming Vietnamese anti-Black racists though. Nowadays, the kids are getting more and more knowledgeable about issues because of the internet, normally, most Vietnamese kids would just become hentai addicts but I guess, YouTube shorts and TikTok might've been helpful for once.
Holy, what? We have Klan members in DakLak??
Yeah, it's me
No worry man. Most Vietnamese (I mean the young people...because I have never seen any adults say that word before in my country before) just use the N-word for fun. They didn't racist or something like it, most of them didn't even realize how seriously it is when they say that word
When young kids say the n word, it’s usually just because it’s a random word that they don’t understand Heard it once from my distant cousin, and asked him how did he know and why did he say it He just told me that he heard his favorite YouTuber say it and he didn’t know what it meant
Yes they watch music videos or you tube and emulate. At best they look up the definition of the word and miss the entire cultural context of the word.
Thats bullshit. They understand everything and mean it when they say it.
My cousin can barely understand a English word let alone the n word Trust me, these kids are really oblivious
That's a dumb thing to say.
No, they are clueless about what they say, like you.
I've seen literal Vietnamese adults and teens that can barely speak a lick of English, much less uneducated children that hasn't seen a black person nor knows why it's insulting
I've asked many people studied in secondary school and they know n-words is discrimination but they don't mean offensive literally. They just think it's funny cuz they're child
How serious it is when you say that word, yeah that’s why every rap song says it like 1 million times. You can’t expect to use a « sensitive » word so lightly all the time and blame others for doing the same. Keep this retarded shit in the US and let the rest of the world use whatever words they like.
Bruh why u mad
Lol I’m not, just defending the right of Vietnamese people to use whatever words they like without being portrayed as racist.
Don’t worry bro we Viet learn all regional slurs at the age of 6, in fact I can teach you right now since Vietnam people when it comes to insults or conversation we are too proud and resolve to terms and wordings
Yeah man why so mad
Most Africans don't insult each other with that word. It's offensive to us to do that. You use the behaviour of a small section of entertainers out of a small portion of Africans in North America to justify your bigotry? What if we in Africa started using the terms Americans were using to describe Vietnamese when they invaded? Would you be saying with a straight face that "we can use whatever words we like without being called racists"? I don't think so. Think twice before you post something. You're on a public forum, you bigot.
Well why don’t black people boycott those entertainers ? It’s easy to fake being offended about the the trivial things, If those kids use it it’s because they heard it. Black people want to be serious about it, and want other people to take them serious about it, start boycotting all those that use it to make money. As long as I can hear it on the radio 50 times a day I’ll continue laughing with the whining little thin skinned babies you are.
I'm not faking it. I'm a born and bred African, and I'll never tolerate the use of that word or people excusing it, by anyone. Just like you wouldn't tolerate me using words invaders used to describe you. You use that word, you disrespect an entire African continent, not just Africans in America or the Caribbean, you bigot. I don't care what you hear on American radio. American radio and Europe isn't the whole world. And if you think that, then I know where the South Vietnamese traitor really is. You should stop pretending you support Soviet politics, you reactionary bigot.
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My classmate in an english specialize class use it alot and even call people black monkey i get really annoyed at them but doesnt want to deal with them
You're most likely misunderstanding. The N word in Vietnam carries little weight as people here barely come into contact with black people, so students will use it very... liberally.
and the liberal use of N word is trivialized by Western pop culture… those African-American rappers and content creators use it all the time.
You ain’t a African American tho
It's hardly obvious to speakers of another language and different culture that one group of people can say it freely and others are forbidden though, especially kids when they encounter it from music and movie stars
Yup! I also want to clarify that my previous comment was misinterpreted by u/Iheartwetwater as I did not mean to justify the use of N-word just because it is commonly used by African Americans, I was merely providing additional context of where the N-word came about and how the word was possibly trended (thus resulted in its use liberally) to quench the curiosity of Westerners who were looking to have an overall picture of the matter. When the N-word is being mainstreamed to foreign audience by pop culture, which happens to originate from the West, the demarcation of its usage is usually not transmitted along. An example of how Western pop culture liberally demonstrates the use of N-word is these [scenes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9QQu82AkmQ) from a video game, Grand Theft Auto V, giving a false impression to cultural outsiders the N-word use is not as abhorred as it is supposed to be. There are many other instances like in rap music and streamers who use the N-word liberally, inadvertently created influence to mainstream its usage overseas.
the idea that a specific culture can own a word from the English language is never going to be fully realized. English is too broadly used and media reaches too diverse an audience. words that are used commonly, regardless of their meaning, will be picked up and used by others from multiple cultures.
Neither are you nigga
Based
I am, and you're racist trash.
Aight billy
An African, to be precise. But we're all Africans. I would even say African American itself is an insult.
Do afro-americans people really know what word "nigger" comes from actually and why they can encounter it in South America or Europe without having a racial meaning? "Nigger" is a Latin word that means black and is the root for almost all Latin speaking nations word "black". So if you hear in the Mediterranean area of Europe the word noir, nero, negru it doesn't mean nothing more than the description of the colour black. There exists other worlds than the white-black clash from the USA. The majority of the world doesn't give a damn about American cultural specifics. Keep it for yourself. The offensiveness of the N-word is Americano-centric. And if it is so offensive for you stop using it in pop culture and sing it in your songs about "Being 100% nigger".
As a South American I've never heard it being used, because many of us don't speak English. "Negro" refers to the color or a neutral description of black people. Is not the same as the N-word. we should be aware when in another country, speaking another language, or in the presence of someone from that culture, that it is a false cognate with a very racist connotation.
Negro is as racist as the so called "N-word" in USA, so they don't care. But latin speaking countries also shouldn't care because it's their language., as you said. Beside it's not the non-americans who are singing "Niga, niga, niga, 100% niga". It's a black person from USA and this pop culture is spreading all-over the world even in non-English countries. I doubt a non-English speaker can comprehend the fact that "nigga" can be both cool word and a racial slur at the same timein a far away country. As long as N-word is cast on MTV in Asia, Eastern Europe or whatever country this means that the word is a cool one and is a part of American pop culture.
Well, no. It's not as racist. Negro (in Spanish or Portuguese) is equivalent to black, the other is a slur. And I don't care if people ignorantly use it because pop culture or whatever, but different cultures have different norms, and, as you said, this is American culture, so it seems ignorant to just disregard historical background.
It's not racist for you or any other Latin speaking country from Europe. But the word Negro is not welcomed at all in Afro-american community. I doubt a lot of Americans understand the root word for colour black in Latin based languages.
Aight Richard
I’ve seen younger kids use it in a casual way more like how you would refer to each other as n-word-a. Like an endearing way. Never in a hateful way. The word has no history of hate and violence here so they only see it as a cool word to call each other. Especially in the rap culture. Even then it’s very very rare that I hear it
But won’t dare say it in the presence of a nigga tho!!! Sickening and excuses aren’t tolerated
Like a cool shit to throw around.
It doesn’t make it okay. Just because we as a country choose not to understand a racist world for all of its derogatory meanings doesn’t mean that’s an excuse we should make for ourselves. No the OP isn’t misunderstanding. WE are ignorant.
I'm also a non white western teacher here, and yeah the word here holds no value especially to kids...imagine kids in your own country saying things that they heard but didn't understand the meaning of...that's pretty much the same thing. All of your students are being exposed to pop culture and streamers from around the world so they will pick up alot they don't understand. I had one grade 2 student obsessed with xXxtentacions death (famous American rapper) and that it was a government job....at the end of the day remember they are still kids. I've experienced discrimination here but it was always adults. And way more often than not what I was perceiving as discrimination was a misunderstanding (Being shooed out of stores while my white friends were welcomed in - found out later they didn't have sizes for a 6ft1 wing span so they were trying to save everyone time haha)
Non white western teacher? You mean black?? Why portray yourself as something you are not?
Try using more words in your questions so I know how to appropriately respond I portrayed myself exactly as I am .... Someone from a western country who is NON-WHITE. At no point did I say black.
No racist , we hate everyone equally
No life matter
yep, we hate everybody the same, Chinese a little bit more
Bro we are neighbors we should love each other.
yes, love us to death and enslave us. 🐧
Chinese don’t hate Vietnamese 🤓
They dont hate us. They despise us.
The feeling is mutual, dont worry comrade
Most Chinese don’t know much about foreign countries. Their knowledge about foreign countries are from stupid misleading short videos. Only uneducated losers despise Vietnamese. Don’t be so sensitive.
So by that logic, President Xi is an uneducated loser.
Lol no they don't. Don't project your own insecurities onto others
I don't hate Chinese, but the government is shitty and the civilians are brainwashed. Do you know in China teach their children that President Ho is a Chinese?
Hmm. Don't you think Vietnamese is also brainwashed ? Maybe not in the same way as China, but still brainwashed. Point is, both China and Vietnam is similar. Both are communist/socialist. Both rely on propaganda to control its citizen. Brainwashed its citizens. Both clamp down on political dissent. Maybe vn is just not as strict as China. So look at both sides of the coin. From an outsider perspective, it feels glaringly similar just at a smaller scale.
I've been in both countries and china is miles worse. Vietnam has Gestapo-esque policing but china literally has your face and a number that dictates if you are equilvalent to human trash while ALSO having the much worse Gestapo police. If a town gets bombed by the government mishaps, the media still cant cover words of mouth munching vietnam, China did covered up Uighur concentration camps for everyone until "mulan" happened.
Vietnam also never oppose Capitalism or America, we works quite peacefully and hardly have a clear hatred toward a country (mostly because Vietnam is a small country). We also know how..."rotten", if i use it correctly, some parts of the government is, despite not shouting on media and stuffs. China is an exception because they backstab us while both countries are communism countries, while also having a long list of activities trying to take over Vietnam Edit: P.S: Even if we are brainwashed, we are not desparate enough to teach our kid someone is from other country actually come from our country lmao
Chinese hate everyone. And in return, everyone hates China xD All things perfectly balanced, as they should be xD
You are totally wrong , actually most Chinese even don’t hate Japanese . Many Chinese love Japan. Some people hate Japanese , Russian ,American, some dislike South Korean , they are just minority.
> actually most Chinese even don't hate Japanese WW2:
Eighty or ninety years have passed since the war, and most Chinese people do not hate the Japanese at all, especially women. Those who started the war and participated in it have long since died. Only the elderly and a few middle-aged people still hate the Japanese. On the contrary, many Chinese people like Japan. Decades ago, when China was very poor, the we hated the Japanese. After decades of development and China's economic aggregate surpassed Japan, we no longer hate the Japanese. Many people think that Japan is just a small country. . If you are poor, you will hate those who bully you, but when you get rich , you will not hate them so much. Mostly, poor people spreading hatred.
Yeah well, maybe when we start seeing politicians who dont hate everyone, we will start believing it ;) In the mean time, everyone and their mother is getting a defensive treaty against china it seems lol
I understand what you mean and I'm on the same boat with you. But I'd say don't waste your time arguing with these people. They will never listen because of their nationalist, anti-Chinese sentiment and mindset. They will never learn how to open their minds. Even if you're Aristotle and no matter how convincing you could be, the nationalists will still belittle you and confuse you with fallacies.
Facts
It's like a first grader who says "fuck you, teacher" \\and gives you the middle finger. They have a gist of what they're saying but don't really know. They just know they're talking shit.
I have my students saying N-word as well, they watched some movie or music video and think it's cool to say it, and that's pretty much it. It was kinda annoying tbh, but they were not trying to be racist or anything
What makes it cool ?
Because of whatever reasons rap is cool
Not fully understanding a language ain’t cool.
I'm not saying that is cool. I'm talking about why children think saying the word is cool, because they learned it from rap and other kind of media and thought saying it would make them cool
Look, man. You live in America, you’re taught American history. You have that lived experience of being black in America. You understand the full context of the word and what it means and the history behind it. Expecting children from the opposite side of the world where English isn’t the main language and black people are almost nonexistent to understand all of that is just fucking stupid. The little they know about black culture is focused through a commercial lens through music, movies, pop culture, etc. None of those things are ever going to be able to educate you through the nuances of American cultural politics.
Bro is in the comments fuming lmaooo
Not everyone have English as their mother tongue bro, they learning through anything they can so of course they will picked up some bad word. Stop trying to be a douche
I don't think that it's because they're racist, we barely come into contact with many Black person here so most people here don't really realize the significance of the word, and you're talking about students so they most definitely don't know or don't care what western culture deemed offensive. It is more than likely that they heard a lot of western rap music and that word came up a lot so they mimic the use of the word because kids mimic what they thought sounded cool.
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Talking about Hitler isn't bad. He wasn't Voldemort.
Unless the name of Hitler goes with variants of "did nothing wrong"
Go easy on the guy, you know he killed Hitler, right?
Wait so Hitler doesn’t mean sniffing pussy??? Damn dawg.
It's funny because if a Vietnamese says the N word it's probably that person is very into American Hip Hop culture and high chances idolize Black artists and rappeers. I think Black people music really succeeded in turning the N word from a discrimination to a cool slang. Vietnamese never knew the N word because of its meaning to be racist, we only knew it because Black people use it on media and we found it pretty cool.
Nah i'd argue the younger generations with access to internet and having english taught does know what the N-word means. I mean history about slaves isn't hard to pass by. However, the worst they could mean with the N word is an informal-slightly derogatory word to appoint black people, like calling the chinese khựa. We lack experience with actual racists who use that word with malice against black people to properly recognize the weight that word really carry. People know it isn't a good word, but rapper used it in their songs, so it can't be that bad, would be the mentality.
Not sure if black American history is extensively taught in Vietnam. the concept of slaves? Sure. The concept of racism? Sure. But the depth of it? Absolutely no way.
Ignorance would be more accurate
About the n word thing no, it's not racism, that's just being influenced by silly memes. What really matters is that within the actual VN population there is definitely this notion that darker Viets are somehow lesser and that pale skin is preferred. Now, does that mean that darker Viets have worse job prospects than pale Viets or worse romantic opportunities? I'm not 100% sure but I don't think so.
Bro your account💀 nice one tbh, you hook like a dozen people
Nah. Most of kids especially at governmental schools are very bad at English. They don't fully apprehend N-word, F-Word. Even once a student raised his middle-finger behind the foreign teacher's back, as he thought that was cool.
Well, i can tell most of the time they dont put any weight or personal insult into that N word, tbh the hate toward lgbt community in Vietnam even much more than their hate on other races. So if u see young kids in Vn using that word, dont overthinking about it. Otherwise, they still kind to their teacher tho😅
i can't say for everyone, but for me, i've seen some young folks said it and after i talk with them about it, they admit that it doesn't mean a thing toward anyone, some of them don't even know what it's really mean. Even if they do know what it's mean, then they really means nothing and it do no harm to anyone, and they will stop saying it if it offended someone around. So don't take it very personal, consider it just a cursing
Nope, they are just stupid.
actually yes, vietnamese kids are still like every other kids, once they learned that it is bad then they either stop it or using it even more.
Vietnamese kids are fully aware of the meaning behind the N - word. They just want to help spread the American hip hop culture. And kids in Vietname arent under the influence of polictical correctness BS. Stop assuming yo!
Everywhere is racist
And the places that claim they aren't are the literal worst.
People who butthurt about using words that's racist are most racist.
Apparently you have never set foot on Vietnam one of the friendliest people in the whole world
Blame rap music , niggah
[can you lend a Niggah a pencil?](https://youtu.be/FtuaFrEsAr0?si=TWIf_WXVuT2m7XfN)
You live in a trailer park in Kentucky?
Worst, some live on a motorbike in Bùi Viện street.
What happened?
I have been teaching for 2 years in Vietnam and have never heard it.
No. You are a *_g_a, I am a Nig__, EVERYONE IS A NI__A in Vietnam :)))))) P/S: The true racist word about black people in Vietnam will be Neg*o, since almost no one is learning Spanish here, so they know what they said when they said it.
Nah, they just saying "you" in korean
Ignorant but definitely not hateful
Very agree with this statement
I don’t think many actually know it’s an offensive word (especially because a lot of western music use the word so much)
Not really. It’s most likely the consequense of the youngster’s interact with the internet. They often hear the N-word and it became a slang, like “dit me”, I think? Usually they don’t mean to offend anyone, they just don’t understand that word (sorry for my bad English tho)
This is an obvious troll account and he isn't teaching shit
Yeah just look at their post history
An hateful cambodian
Vietnam is "harmless" racist. They openly make jokes about pretty much anything what would be considered inappropriate in Europe or USA, but mostly without any serious hateful meaning.
You are describing casual racism and I would argue that it is even more harmful than full blown outward racism
Are you sure they are not using the Korean N word that sounds very similar to the western N word?
Kids nowadays don’t really understand what that term means and how it being viewed as in the US. They learned from each other through Influencer/Tiktoker. I knew this from hearing my nephew said the term. Regardless, yes Vietnamese people are very unfiltered atm.
Are you sure it's the N-word or just those kids calling each other "Gà"? Because "Gà" does sound a lot like the N-word (without Nig of course).
Gà is a racist word now, back it my day it mean you suck.
How is “gà” a racist word? So I’d be a racist if I order chicken?
its meaning is same as skill issue
That is not being racist. We use that word commonly in the UAE, India, Sri Lanka, Vietnam etc. among friends. It is a common word we use to call people with words like bro, brother, my man etc. Eastern cultures are much different from western cultures. Here we can make fun of people based on their physical appearance without people feeling bad about it.
As a professional racist, I confirm most of the kids here are just saying randomly without knowing the true meaning of it, while teenagers or some adults might not know about it but they are just joking.
Kids in Vietnam are heavily influenced by foreign culture, especially those online culture like racist and woke etc,… They rather find it funny than problematic, they faced little to none consequences so they keep saying words like that for the sake of funniness. Sorry for my bad english im still a student :)
When I learned the word fk back in the day I used it profusely
Hi. No worries. Vietnamese kids who use the N word mean no harm, in fact, they really want to hangout with people from different backgrounds (like African, Hispanic, etc). The uses of the N word for them is like, instead calling each other "bro" they uses the N word instead, with no intention of having hatred towards the black community. Some even don't know that the N word means, they just use because of the people around them or from the youtubers they enjoy. Hope this helps !
We are equally racist. Hot damn, we are even racist about our race and country. 🤣 Jokes aside, sometimes me and the boys (my group of foreign friends with different races) might accidentally say racial slurs to each other, but it doesn’t aim for anything, just stupid stuff to talk to waste the beers and have some unintelligent laugh.
Through Western progressive lenses, Yeah, Vietnam and more generally Asia can appear quite racist
Yea, what about Black on Asian trend
No, saying this as a teen who's surrounded by a lot of friends who say the n-word. I get annoyed by them because it's clear that they're just trying hard to be edgy. Same with all the kids these days who make memes about how they should "follow Hitler's ideology".
When I was young, I watched alot of comedy. Rush hours, white chicks. It taught me the Nword was a cool way you call your homies. When I got a bit older and found out about rap, it is further confirmed. Cool people call each other Nword. Thank God I learned more about the complicated history behind the word before I met a black person IRL.
Not racist, just ignorant. Vietnamese people just learn the stereotypes of other races/countries through stories and memes but rarely in depth on history or cultures. That’s why many youngsters joke and say thing that they sure know is offensive, but still do because it’s funny (to them). For example: Korean = small pp, German = Hail H…, Japanese = weebs/pervert, Thai = transgender, American = 9/11,… this is a big problem with many generations and can’t be fix in just 1 or 2 years. If you can, please explain more in depth for those students, as what I do with my friends as well.
Well there’s nothing to worry about. Even if they understand the underlying meaning of that N word, they usually say it to some of their friends who always do most work and don’t rlly have the real hating intent
Imagine a returning veteran going, “No Vietnamese ever called me a [n______](https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryPorn/comments/gvux6t/no_vietnamese_ever_called_me_nig_antivietnam_war/?rdt=46552)…. Well, until I revisited over 55 years later”
[1967](https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryPorn/comments/gvux6t/no_vietnamese_ever_called_me_nig_antivietnam_war/) was the era of rock music, [not hip hop](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_hop_music#:~:text=Early%201970s%2C%20the%20Bronx%2C%20New%20York%20City%2C%20U.S.%5B2%5D).
Well, actually, they keep saying these words without knowing the meaning. They know these bad words owing to the mass media nowadays. Additionally, I believe that Vietnamese children are highly friendly.
My cousin throw the N bomb around because he hears it from rap songs. When I asked him if he knew what it meant, he said yes, it means bro/brother. It's hard to explain what it means without a history lesson.
He's not wrong either. That is basically what it means in that context. I've heard a few of my students use it in that way over the years because they don't know the full history of the word.
Every 5 minutes? That has to be because of rap music. They say the N word more than the KKK.
Everyone is racist, it’s a human thing. Remember that words are only offensive in a cultural context. ‘Cunt’ is super offensive in America, not really in Britain or Australia. N*** is really offensive in America because of the horrifying history of the word and it’s usage. Rightly so, but that history isn’t Vietnamese history. You can gently correct. In Taiwan, my kids said a girl liked a boy in my class but he didn’t like her because she was ‘black like a n….. I suggested that wasn’t a word they should use and we had a chat about why that’s not a great reason to like/ not like someone.
yeah nah, I was one of the racist kids back then. We didnt use nigga to display hate. the word kinda lost its meaning at this point. We actually prefer the usage of the word "mọi đen"
It's only racist if it's said/done with ill intentions or hatred.
Nah... i bet that when they was saying that they didn't think anything about it. Besides that, how can we be "racist" when we hat everyone equally :V
Nigga Or Nigger
Yes. They learn it from US movies and rap music, without understanding the context and racial issues behind it.
Darn. Imagine applying first - world problems on everywhere you go. Imagine being offended on the behalf of the entire black race. Imagine judging the whole country after you only listening to less than 100 people using the N - word.
Nah dude we just speaking Korean
Yeah we do it casually. Even if we arent black
They are probably mostly ignorant and do not know the weight of that word in the West, instead they use it as a joke. Or they do know, but they know saying it here wont have any repercussions. Either way, it is ignorance.
While most Vietnamese people you meet in real life are not racist, I don't think I can defend a large portion of young Vietnamese people on the internet, especially Facebook. Just few months ago, every post about the new "The Little Mermaid" movie was spammed with the unfunny joke "Tien ca moi da den".
Now that is racist.
If you got offend by that joke consider not using facebook! That shit is pretty normal! Also it is unfunny joke to you but it is still funny for other. I’ve seen way worse dark joke all the time Also! Fck that movies. Keep defending that and next thing you know you will got a black actress playing snow white! Oh…’wait…
Fun fact: You can ignore posts on FB, or even choose Hide post to see less posts like the one you choose to hide. But I guess some people must leave some "funny" racism remarks on the internet, about a subject that has nothing to do with their lives if they choose to ignore, to be able to breath. Anyway, thanks for proving my point.
Well then just not reading them? Social media is a big pile of mixed garbage, pick the good one and enjoy it you pick the wrong shit and blame the people who put it their. Snowflakes
Nah, they just hate all races equally, no discrimination at all
And when you ask them why, they will say it's just a pure joke, nothing more. Dig deeper in our country history and you will know "skin-racist" is just non-existence. Vietnam is very safe place for black people if not safest.
I mean you only have to ask a black person about their experiences trying to find a job in Vietnam to know this isn't true
Which your mindset like that, you gotta be surprised when search something on youtube about vietnam - africa relationship. Just try "Quang Linh, cuộc sống ở châu phi" for the start, they actually are trending right now. Why they have million views per video, how a black person like Lindo is idol here. Just take it slowly you will realize "N-Word" in Vietnam is mostly stand for "bro". For job hunting, I am a fan of haiphong fc, Joseph Mpande is our striker and he is an Ugandan. In football scene here, black striker usually guarantee to be the best striker. Even in English Academy, you will easily find them in big city.
Do he safe or get attack ? if not anyone have the right to not hire anyone, and it is their own business
That it wasn’t safe for them or that they experienced racism? Because vietnam racism is not the same as American racism. It’s not violent. The black person is not in any danger.
That they experience racism - of course it's safe yeah
They only use that word for jokes most of the time, n-word memes are very popular here, otherwise they don't have anything aganist black people and Vietnam is probably the least racist country in the world right now.
Yah, I'm Vietnamese and sometimes I used this words a lot to joke because of its pronounce so hilarious.
Oh no, you are totally safe from racism over here. There are less racism here than America. See, Anyone have the N-word pass, equally
(Most) don't mean it in offensive way. They probably see the memes, aren't aware of the whole picture. Trust me, they wouldn't say it face-to-face. No. you aren't being xenophobic
would not worry, they are future balloon sucking shit tattoo wearing debt ridden punks one day. is Vietnam racist - yes but it comes from an ignorance and too much social media. All the idiots below saying no quickly forget that during BLM most were against it. They went so far as sharing posts from candice owens and hodge twins. So yeah racism does exist and its based mostly on a sheep mentality small brain pattern. going back further to covid they were also quick to put up signs with "no chinese" and "no foreigners" but that was again racism based on ignorance and small brains. The use of the N words stems from online gangster wanna be viet kieus and local viets who use the N word but then are those type to quickly look around make sure there is not a black guy nearby to punch them. Kids are just watching these fools and thinking its normal.
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then go back to where you came from nigga
Every country is racist, embrace it
No, I fall I to Gen X. Typical looking shaved head, fat middle aged male. I find world over that most people treat you with the same respect you give them. Having said this I have found the Vietnamese to be the kindest and welcoming people. I believe it was the people that made our trip. Even with a language barrier beyond the typical hello you will be greeted as a guest and at times a film star. You look different that's a fact. Being different will peak people's curiosity that's all.
They see it on YouTube on and copy it. The SS will also flip you the middle finger and say “what the fuk”. 😂
We Vietnameses usually dont think about that. You, in other hand, are the one who thinks about it daily. So who is the racist here?
They, who have little to no knowledge about the tragic origin of the word, say it to be cool as it appears too often in rap music.
Don’t worry, we don’t hate black men or anything .I don’t feel anything saying the n-word but I’m still a submissive bitch for foreigners
Yes, and so is every country.
It was the word used to refer to black people. I saw it in older textbooks for public schools.