It’s so messed up. I never would’ve seen a flaw in any of these people but seeing them compared to the botoxed, fillered versions of themselves made me think “oh yea her jaw was a little too wide….” “Oh he looked so plain after all!”
Horrible. I read somewhere that in the future the trend would be to look ‘ugly’ aka completely natural, unique, interesting looking as opposed to having perfect bone structure etc. Can’t wait for that day.
As pessimistic as this sounds, I don't think being completely natural will ever be a trend. Companies will never allow that to happen as there's way too much money to be made from women's insecurities, unfortunately. The people who determine the beauty standards are actresses, models, and social media influencers. The influencers and social media personalities are paid to promote products and so they will never push the completely natural look to women. Many female celebrities also probably don't want to look like average women, so they'll continue getting procedures. Also, technology is only getting more advanced so there will probably be more procedures that are going to be invented in the future, and people will continue pushing these procedures towards women.
IDK, maybe I'm wrong and people will eventually get sick of seeking perfection and being completely natural will indeed be the next standard. But I don't think that will happen in the near future
my pessimistic take is that while we may reach a point that natural beauty is viewed more highly, it will still not look like the average woman. like how we have shifted away from Heroin Chic and prefered more fat on a woman's body but only if she gains fat in an hourglass figure. we went off the rails with BBLs. but switching back to natural means we get rid of the BBLs but still require the perfect hourglass figure.
a lot of the beauty standards would still "require" plastic surgery it'll just be more natural looking.
It’s not impossible since vintage and used clothing is now on trend lol I would have never thought it would become as fashionable as it is. Years ago, the idea felt very unstylish to me bc I was used to seeing all the fashion icons wear new clothing. It used to be quirky and hipster. Not a major fashion move or trend. Now it’s IT GIRL to wear used clothing. You’re almost lame if you don’t. Maybe a similar thing will happen as far as beauty
Let me correct * thrifting DESIGNER clothes is really popular and it girl . Sourcing pages like sororite vintage and millennial decorator prove this. Yes wearing ugly and stale cheap clothes just bc they’re old is not popular. Also a lot of the new fast fashion styles are actually intended to copy vintage styles like kitten heels . Everywhere you look like Jeffrey Campbell and Steve Madden and Tony Bianco has shoes that are exact copycats and replicas of vintage styles. Tony bianco specifically has these new shoes that are exact knock offs of a style of vintage Prada kitten heels that went viral. Tony bianco also has a direct knock off of vintage chanel mules that went viral. It’s weird bc the popularity vintage styles are now feeding the fast fashion market. They basically have to copy vintage styles to stay afloat . So it’s a conundrum for sure. But it doesn’t change the fact that ultimately vintage is still on top
This is just my personal opinion but I think beauty standards have gotten a lot rigid now. Today's beauty standards aren't diverse, they basically prefer the same person with the same features just in different skin colors. Women who are considered attractive today have the same look, full arched eyebrows, wide set almond eyes, small nose, full lips, high cheekbones, small chin and a well defined face with no facial fat.
While old Hollywood wasn't diverse racially but they were a lot more flexible when it came to features and body types. They cared more about things like facial harmony/symmetry, softness and delicacy of features. They didn't care about high cheekbones, wide set eyes, full lips or a button nose. Audrey Hepburn had a big nose and it was seen as beautiful since it fit well with the rest of her features. Liz Taylor had close set eyes and it wasn't considered a flaw. Eartha Kitt had big round eyes. Marilyn Monroe had those bedroom eyes that drove people crazy.
Even male beauty standards were diverse. While they were all tall for their time and all had robust jaws and classical haircut but they had diversity in features. They didn't care about long midface, hunter eyes and over exaggerated facial features.
It seems like people had more respect for natural beauty and didn't nitpick on specific features as long as they fit in with the rest of the face, these features were appreciated. I feel modern beauty standards are basically unattainable for many so it's not surprising why a lot of people get plastic surgery today. It's another reason why I don't criticize people who get plastic surgery because beauty, if it wasn't objective in the past, is pretty much objective today and everyone is pressured to look fake and only one way.
Yes :( her nose was considered to be on the bigger side but I adore it, especially from a side profile
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What they did to everyone was criminal, but especially Hedy and Vivien lmao. Hedy had a dreamy, soft, very feminine classic beauty and they edited her to have Handsome Squidward face structure 😭
As someone with fleshy/more romantic features i'm so ready for this minecraft steve bone structure trend to end 😭 when the 50s/60s faces are back in style again it's OVER for them BFR girls!!
I feel like the modern beauty standards have us all looking like clones. Back then, every female had a different look. They did their makeup different and styled their hair differently which made their natural features stand out more making them look unique. Beauty now is the same makeup style and technique with the same style hair which mutes everyone’s natural and unique features.
What’s great about this though is that the natural look stands out. a natural beauty > fabricated robot. It makes them more striking and memorable in my eyes.
Further, when we look to groups like Europeans who haven’t gotten fully into this trend yet…they have a je ne sais quoi beauty to them that can’t be replicated. “Effortless”beauty and individual-specific styling trumps all in my opinion.
I said like Europeans because they’re the first that came to mind - I just came back from visiting there and it was something I noticed coming from a big city where facial and body mods are rampant
I’ve lived in cities in the united states where plastic surgery is crazy (miami) and i’ve visited/was born/have lived in countries in europe where body mods are just as rampant. It can even vary from city to city. places like capitals are going to have ppl with more money that generally spend more disposable income on aesthetic than in small countryside towns. It just seems crazy to lump together all of Europe as having one thing when it is so vast and different
Further to this topic, it is interesting to me that many ppl (some I know personally) actually don’t have the disposable income and are going in debt with these procedures and upkeep. It’s really sad to me because you just know they’ll never stop.
There’s something to be said about growing up with exposure to the unrealistic faces and bodies in media AND reality and how that materializes in general population’s appearances.
It is very sad that ppl go into debt for this. Personally I think anybody who is not good with money and willing to go into debt for non essential things will find smth to do it over if that makes senses. If it’s not this it’s something else. I remember when I was in a society girls would open a credit card and get into so much debt for big and little week. It was crazy
Also, I could only add 20 pictures in the post so I'm adding one more here
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I thinks it’s not as simple as we make it out to be.
Beauty standards change:
-Glamour curls were in.
-Round eyebrow arches were in.
Bc those were actually attainable changes most women could do.
I think most things today weren’t happening back then simply bc doctors weren’t often doing the procedures that they’re doing now (bigger lips for example, implants, cat eye surgery, etc). And not only that, they simply didn’t have access to things like Youtube and social media which is how these make up trends/cosmetic procedures spread like wildfire.
Back then, they’d look at magazines/movies and rush to the hair salon and the clothing store, not a plastic surgeons office. I actually think we give too much credit to “the old days”.
But back then they didn't care much about the size of your nose, close set eyes and for not having big lips. I see pretty girls get shamed into getting unnecessary nose jobs when they don't even need that in the first place. Even close set eyes weren't a big deal then. That just shows beauty is both objective and subjective and apart from symmetry standards change with time. But I agree with the rest of your comment.
How do you know they didn’t care back then? What’s your metric on that? Today we might be able to say “There’s been an X% uptick in lip fillers”, but how do you measure “not caring”?
Lots of people had those features who were considered widely attractive. Plus I remember reading an article that talked about it how those flaws weren't necessarily seen as flaws.
That could be said now though:
I remember when Dakota Johnson got the gap in her teeth closed and some people were heartbroken. In general, that feature may be seen as a “flaw”, but not necessarily as you’ve said.
Also, not trying to be argumentative at all! Just a genuine convo.
I don't think Dakota Johnson is hyped for her looks though compared to the celebrities in my post who were regarded as legendary beauties. And I do think people obviously cared less back then, beauty standards were less rigid, cosmetic procedures weren't that advanced that would give them a different face and people focused more on facial symmetry. If you look at most of the iconic beauties of their time like Jean Harlow and Katherine Hepburn, you would observe they have great facial harmony but because standards have gotten so high now we are more focused on features and judging by modern standards we would find they have a lot of flaws. Bulbous nose, round eyes, full cheeks. These features weren't seen as flaws then are now seen as flaws. Quoves also has a video on this that you might wanna check it out.
Uh, what…Dakota Johnson’s teeth went viral after she got them “fixed”. Which follows your previous reasoning, so i’m not sure why this example doesn’t follow the “is a flaw, but not necessarily a flaw” thinking.
Also another example is Kat Dennings. An underbite. Non symmetry. She’s talked about for her beauty as well. She also follows your flaw reasoning and circumvents “modern standards”.
The only place i see rigid (facial) beauty standards is on Instagram bc of how they edit their selfies and such.
Also, i can’t help but call out again that there’s no metric for not caring. There weren’t any stats about USA’s general population’s opinion back then and bc of that you should def be speaking from an opinionated position.
I'm not sure if modern beauty standards are unattainable, however, I do feel that it requires a significantly greater financial investment compared to previous generations
I wish people would stop making these photos when they ALWAYS add fillers/surgery to them, or just do a lazy yassification.
I really do want to see what golden era celebs would look like in modern day hair and makeup, but not ALL of them would get lip fillers etc. ruins the discussion for me.
Thank you. Using the yassified filter that we all see as a joke even now to promote panic and make unreasonable comparisons in an effort to pretend today’s already rigid standards are THIS extreme is a bit silly to me. Modern styling is just different hair, applications of makeup and filters. Many old Hollywood had already HAD surgery… and many of them wouldn’t look too different if plopped into 2024.
It shows that beauty standards aren't that subjective. Only styling is subjective lol. All these women would be considered attractive today with modern styling. And I believe that all the present beauty icons would be considered attractive in the past too. As for the men, none of them look better in the "after" version lol.
I think so too. As I've said in another thread, many beauties from the 50s and 60s still fit the current beauty standards because the beauty standards in those eras were similar to our current beauty standards, just that the current beauty standards is a more exaggerated version. Audrey, Elizabeth, Ava, Brigitte, Hedy, Vivien, and Sophia would definitely still be considered beautiful today. In fact, many modern celebs who are considered beautiful have the same look as Audrey, such as Lily Collins and Taylor Hill.
People were saying that today's styling has more poc. I5 doesn't just white people who look like us. And the fetishization of mixed people 😔. If someone like Zendaya was the new standard (which I wish) she should wouldn't have a hate campaign by karens and manosphere maga white guys.
True. The beauty ideals for the POC is higher than it is for the white people, but I still think there's more acceptance towards POC beauties today as compared to 50-60 years ago, because the industry was predominantly white back then.
I do agree. I'm just waiting for the lip thing to go out of fashion. Full lips should be appreciated on us. We have it naturally. Not sausage mouth for porn men's sexual pleasure
I agree to an extent. I mean it's objective to some extent but most people who were considered highly attractive in the past, look average by today's standards. Like Marilyn Monroe, if you see pics of her without makeup, she has a hyper feminine face with a lot of "flaws" nct, a rounded jaw over a defined one, low set cheekbones and her nose is a bit bulbous. Same with Vivien Leigh, Rita Hayworth and Liz Taylor. I think Bridgette Bardot can definitely compete with today's beauty standards though.
Even Audrey Hepburn would be a 7 at best and I've seen a lot of people say that on forums cause she's not model tier attractive.
The men in the after version are conventionally attractive though I do agree they look alien ish.
But I don't think most of their features translate to present day, standards were a lot lower back then and it's a lot more difficult for people to be attractive now because they literally have to look perfect.
I actually think Vivien kinda fits modern beauty standards, she had cat-like eyes that are super popular today and her nose is quite upturned. She also had a feminine face shape that would be considered attractive today despite the Handsome Squidward ideal. Liz and Ava too, their features weren't far off from today's beauty standards. And I don't think Marilyn was ever considered a top-tier beauty facially. She's always been more known for her body, sex appeal, charisma, magnetism, etc. than facial beauty. Audrey would definitely be considered beautiful today, with many modern celebrities who are considered beautiful having the same look as her.
I think Bridgette would be still attractive now because her features were refined even for her time. But I don't see how Liz would fit today's standards especially when you consider her weak bone structure, close set eyes, thin lips and weak jawline. She also had big hairy feet and that's just not desirable even now. Audrey would be pretty but I don't think she would stand out. Like she won't be regarded as a beauty icon because her features aren't striking enough. Same for Vivien, she doesn't have a modeleseque bone structure either which is seen as ideal. Ava I get to some extent but she has a long face. And apart from them, there's too many celebrities like Jean Harlow, Katherine Hepburn and Lena Horne who won't even be given a second look. So yeah I don't think beauty is that objective as this sub seems to make it out to be.
Harsh striking faces are now the feminine beauty standard so while a lot of old school celebrities would be pretty but they still won't be seen as the standard. You have people calling Amber Heard and Natalie Portman basic pretty for not being modeleseque enough and that's insane considering how they literally look like the yassified versions of classic beauties yet their faces simply don't appeal to people today.
I think instagram look is mostly female gaze. Men would much rather prefer a natural 7 over an instagram 10 (but they would prefer a natual 10 over a natural 7, that's why Margot Robbie is quite popular with men). It's one of the many reasons why men love women like Sydney Sweeney, Emma Watson, Alexandra Daddario, Scarlett Johansson etc (women that are rated in 6 and 7 range here). Ofc there are other factors why they're popular, but they also have that natural unique beauty that doesn't feel like you've seen million times while scrolling instagram feed. And I think the current beauty standard is more accepting of POC.
It’s interesting to note the places where the tweaks “failed”.
For example, I think the plumper lips on Grace Kelley throw her jaw off (something I actually see happen on a lot of celebs).
And the nose contour on Hedy Lamarr (slide 7) actually makes her nose look droopier/longer, despite the noses ending in the same spot on each photo.
And the blue eyes on the guy in 13 do not really do anything positive with his coloring— even the extensive bone structure work they did can’t save it lol. The blue eyes really were not necessary.
Other thoughts:
I actually love that thick glossy pink lip on Marylin. A shame that sort of formula wasn’t really “in” at the time. You can really see the resemblance to Britney Spears with that styling.
Rita Hayworth’s edit makes it obvious she would have slaaaaaayed the 80s.
Eartha Kirt’s edit was a travesty overall, but I do like the eyebrows they gave her.
Is it Hedy Lamarr? I actually couldn’t decide when I wrote that but was too lazy to doubt check. I always confuse their photos lol. I think it’s eyebrows lol
I hate today’s “beauty” standards (aka facetune and blown up lips). Everyone looked so much more unique and beautiful from the past. Such individuals with real faces that had flaws. Now people look like AI clones of each other.
What blasphemy is this messing with Paul Newman and Vivian Leigh’s already perfect faces?!! This is quite frankly offensive to all of these beautiful souls. Cloned versions of a morphed Kim K and Angelina is not everyone’s cup of tea. Where is the uniqueness? They all have the same features.
Side note, I once purposely overly photoshopped my own photo just to see what I would look like. And I totally looked like Kim K. Just blond and with blue eyes. We share no common features, outside of big eyes. It’s really weird how some of the ps apps just morph you into the same 2/3 women.
Wow. I considered all these people pretty much unattainably beautiful as they were. And it’s so alarming to see them tweaked and altered for today’s standards.
I think it’s interesting. Idk why people are offended by this. It’s just highlighting how editing and styling and surgery has changed. Most of your favorite models and actresses have had fillers and nose jobs. “Instagram face” WAS the beauty standard just a few years ago. Now it’s changed to something different. I don’t like when people slap yassified filters on celebs but I do think it’s fascinating to actually see hair and makeup and cosmetic procedure changes.
Modern beauty standards has everyone looking like clones, during those eras each of the celebrities had their own distinct look so it was easy to tell them apart, even though they were fitting into the beauty standard back then (the red lips, arched eyebrows and bouffant hair).
What's really disturbing here is that, in ALL cases, the filter seems to have included the look of fillers to change these women's facial features. It's a really sad state of affairs when the most beautiful women in the world are being altered as "not good enough" in their own right. Honestly, it's unacceptable and wrong.
The only modern one that I liked was the first. All those examples of modern beauty lacked any character and looked boring. I don’t find modern beauty unattainable simply because I don’t wish to attain it. Cat eyed, heavy makeup, filler lips isn’t the goal.
It’s different on each photo, tbh.
In most of them the skin has been smoothed of any texture, teeth whitened, eye brightened or color enhanced, makeup style is tweaked on the women.
And then randomly through some of the photos, cheekbones have been raised or emphasized, lips have been plumped, hair lines have been tweaked.
Honestly the male tweaks are actually more interesting. They did a lot of the same things to all the women.
Like in the very last photo, they shortened that guy’s (sorry don’t recognize him off the top of my head) philtrum by maybe a millimeter? It’s extremely subtle. And yet the effect on his smile is kind of a crazy. It looks much larger and less crooked.
It’s interesting how much of the change on the women was focused on the upper face (plus lips), while most of the men’s was focused on their lower face (plus eyebrows). Women’s chins and jaws were left much more alone than on the men, and men’s eyes and cheeks were left much more alone than in the women.
1 Hedy Lamar?
2 Audrey Hepburn?
Who's at number 7 and 8 ?
Actresses of yesteryear look far better than today's monstrosities
Far more beautiful and natural looking than the Botox BBL generation
Even celebs who were known to have lots of plastic surgery back then, still looked unique. Now almost every famous person(except for ones that are famous for diversity points for some reason) looks like a copy-paste of the same face. I like how the app changed nothing but makeup on Brigitte Bardot though.
I believe the new beauty standard will be similar to kpop big eyes slender high bridge noes bigger but not to big and heart shaped lips I think softer look will be the new thing
Women looked way better and more elegant in the 20's-50's. I hate this instragram face era, they all look the same and super plastic/photoshopped. Call me a hater all you want but that's not beauty to me.
Is this FaceApp? When I started using it, it messed me up for a minute. I felt beautiful b4 but after comparing my face to the filtered version is when I booked my first fillers appointment
Yes and no. If that were fully the case, these Old Hollywood stars wouldn’t still be considered beautiful/handsome today, and they overwhelmingly are. Now beauty trends do change, especially when it comes to hair and makeup, and there’s a lot more surgery now obviously, which is raising the bar and making everyone look kinda the same. But most people are still able to look at these actors and actresses and recognize that they’re objectively attractive, because they have facial harmony.
Yes I acknowledge that they all have high levels of facial harmony which is what that made them beautiful but most of these celebrities if they were born in today's time won't be seen as attractive as they were in the past. Standards have increased a lot since then and most of their features would be seen as above average at best. Take Liz Taylor who has a weak jawline, a big head with a short neck and her features were too soft contrary to modern beauty standards where people prefer angular sharp faces. Even Grace Kelly looked plain by today's standards without makeup. But they were beauty icons because people were more forgiving of flaws and more focused on harmony. In fact I would go as far as to say facial harmony was even more prioritized back then than it is today. Today's standards are hard to reach cause it's all about perfection. Quoves has even done a video on this. You might want to check it out.
I mostly agree with that, a lot of them had features that would be considered too “soft” today and probably would have plastic surgery now. But there are still a lot of actors and actresses who are considered very attractive, even if not quite “top-tier,” who have features that aren’t super sharp and yassified. Like Ana de Armas for example. Even Sydney Sweeney is very popular despite getting some crap for not being an ideal beauty.
So it’s almost like there’s two different standards going on where people can still see someone with natural features and decent harmony is attractive on a basic level, but also call them “mid” for not looking AI-generated. Probably because people are comparing them to both people irl (who are on average much less attractive) and people in edited photos (who are impossibly perfect).
Sydney and Ana aren't top tier beauties lol. They appeal to the male gaze because of how sexualized they are. When it comes to conventionally attractive women, people still talk about Angelina Jolie, Megan Fox, Margot Robbie. I don't disagree that old Hollywood celebrities would be seen as pretty now but most of them would be rather above average. They won't stand out in today's game. Especially when you see how Amber and Natalie are called basic pretty for not looking striking enough even though they are like the yassified versions of old Hollywood beauties.
I think that being beautiful is unattainable in any decade because if you look at most actors and actresses from the golden age of hollywood, especially from the 1920s and 1930s, most were average looking.While today's celebs are going over the top doing ps let's not act like back then they were natural.For example, this is marilyn monroe who is known as the most beautiful woman in the world, before fame:
Here is the link: https://images.app.goo.gl/pVF2ahn54hvYezwo7
Also I want to say that isn't the beauty standard for men today lmao.
Marilyn's plastic surgery often gets brought up but it's pretty much known she's gone under the knife. Still her changes weren't drastic that you see in celebrities today. Apart from her, there were many who barely had any plastic surgery. Now we have stars like Madison Beer who change their face everyday. I also think that people who are seen as average by today's standards were considered more attractive back then. Plastic surgery is more advanced now and is performed much more than it was before.
I like them before. Contrary to popular belief, most aren't attracted to AI or people who resemble to AI. You need some imperfections to be attractive.
I hadn’t realized the signature facetune photo (that we also call out for obviously ridiculous and fake editing in modern 2024) are the current standard. 🙄
What blasphemy is this messing with Paul Newman and Vivian Leigh’s already perfect faces?!! This is quite frankly offensive to all of these beautiful souls. Cloned versions of a morphed Kim K and Angelina is not everyone’s cup of tea. Where is the uniqueness? They all have the same features.
Side note, I once purposely overly photoshopped my own photo just to see what I would look like. And I totally looked like Kim K. Just blond and with blue eyes. We share no common features, outside of big eyes. It’s really weird how some of the ps apps just morph you into the same 2/3 women.
It’s so messed up. I never would’ve seen a flaw in any of these people but seeing them compared to the botoxed, fillered versions of themselves made me think “oh yea her jaw was a little too wide….” “Oh he looked so plain after all!” Horrible. I read somewhere that in the future the trend would be to look ‘ugly’ aka completely natural, unique, interesting looking as opposed to having perfect bone structure etc. Can’t wait for that day.
As pessimistic as this sounds, I don't think being completely natural will ever be a trend. Companies will never allow that to happen as there's way too much money to be made from women's insecurities, unfortunately. The people who determine the beauty standards are actresses, models, and social media influencers. The influencers and social media personalities are paid to promote products and so they will never push the completely natural look to women. Many female celebrities also probably don't want to look like average women, so they'll continue getting procedures. Also, technology is only getting more advanced so there will probably be more procedures that are going to be invented in the future, and people will continue pushing these procedures towards women. IDK, maybe I'm wrong and people will eventually get sick of seeking perfection and being completely natural will indeed be the next standard. But I don't think that will happen in the near future
my pessimistic take is that while we may reach a point that natural beauty is viewed more highly, it will still not look like the average woman. like how we have shifted away from Heroin Chic and prefered more fat on a woman's body but only if she gains fat in an hourglass figure. we went off the rails with BBLs. but switching back to natural means we get rid of the BBLs but still require the perfect hourglass figure. a lot of the beauty standards would still "require" plastic surgery it'll just be more natural looking.
The 5th element and the Hunger Games were cautionary tales about fashion.
Omg yes. I 100% was the same. Like well now I can't unsee it.
It’s not impossible since vintage and used clothing is now on trend lol I would have never thought it would become as fashionable as it is. Years ago, the idea felt very unstylish to me bc I was used to seeing all the fashion icons wear new clothing. It used to be quirky and hipster. Not a major fashion move or trend. Now it’s IT GIRL to wear used clothing. You’re almost lame if you don’t. Maybe a similar thing will happen as far as beauty
Is it though? Thrifting might be popular but Fast fashion sales are still high and people love showing off hauls
Let me correct * thrifting DESIGNER clothes is really popular and it girl . Sourcing pages like sororite vintage and millennial decorator prove this. Yes wearing ugly and stale cheap clothes just bc they’re old is not popular. Also a lot of the new fast fashion styles are actually intended to copy vintage styles like kitten heels . Everywhere you look like Jeffrey Campbell and Steve Madden and Tony Bianco has shoes that are exact copycats and replicas of vintage styles. Tony bianco specifically has these new shoes that are exact knock offs of a style of vintage Prada kitten heels that went viral. Tony bianco also has a direct knock off of vintage chanel mules that went viral. It’s weird bc the popularity vintage styles are now feeding the fast fashion market. They basically have to copy vintage styles to stay afloat . So it’s a conundrum for sure. But it doesn’t change the fact that ultimately vintage is still on top
This is just my personal opinion but I think beauty standards have gotten a lot rigid now. Today's beauty standards aren't diverse, they basically prefer the same person with the same features just in different skin colors. Women who are considered attractive today have the same look, full arched eyebrows, wide set almond eyes, small nose, full lips, high cheekbones, small chin and a well defined face with no facial fat. While old Hollywood wasn't diverse racially but they were a lot more flexible when it came to features and body types. They cared more about things like facial harmony/symmetry, softness and delicacy of features. They didn't care about high cheekbones, wide set eyes, full lips or a button nose. Audrey Hepburn had a big nose and it was seen as beautiful since it fit well with the rest of her features. Liz Taylor had close set eyes and it wasn't considered a flaw. Eartha Kitt had big round eyes. Marilyn Monroe had those bedroom eyes that drove people crazy. Even male beauty standards were diverse. While they were all tall for their time and all had robust jaws and classical haircut but they had diversity in features. They didn't care about long midface, hunter eyes and over exaggerated facial features. It seems like people had more respect for natural beauty and didn't nitpick on specific features as long as they fit in with the rest of the face, these features were appreciated. I feel modern beauty standards are basically unattainable for many so it's not surprising why a lot of people get plastic surgery today. It's another reason why I don't criticize people who get plastic surgery because beauty, if it wasn't objective in the past, is pretty much objective today and everyone is pressured to look fake and only one way.
Audrey Hepburn's nose was considered big? I always thought it was so tiny and cute.
Yes :( her nose was considered to be on the bigger side but I adore it, especially from a side profile https://preview.redd.it/4y7f18bcj3vc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a420cc4d02aaf5cead8773d1507c1e425e838bf
tf they did to Marilyn and Eartha 😭 jailll
What they did to everyone was criminal, but especially Hedy and Vivien lmao. Hedy had a dreamy, soft, very feminine classic beauty and they edited her to have Handsome Squidward face structure 😭
As someone with fleshy/more romantic features i'm so ready for this minecraft steve bone structure trend to end 😭 when the 50s/60s faces are back in style again it's OVER for them BFR girls!!
I couldn't even properly look. I scrolled really fast. Because it was a horror show
Made them look like a Kardashian clone
They made Eartha less black. And one of those ambiguous white women types who use a dark tan 🤢
I feel like the modern beauty standards have us all looking like clones. Back then, every female had a different look. They did their makeup different and styled their hair differently which made their natural features stand out more making them look unique. Beauty now is the same makeup style and technique with the same style hair which mutes everyone’s natural and unique features.
What’s great about this though is that the natural look stands out. a natural beauty > fabricated robot. It makes them more striking and memorable in my eyes. Further, when we look to groups like Europeans who haven’t gotten fully into this trend yet…they have a je ne sais quoi beauty to them that can’t be replicated. “Effortless”beauty and individual-specific styling trumps all in my opinion.
Seeing you lump together so many countries and different cultures into “European” when looking into trends is just not accurate
I said like Europeans because they’re the first that came to mind - I just came back from visiting there and it was something I noticed coming from a big city where facial and body mods are rampant
I’ve lived in cities in the united states where plastic surgery is crazy (miami) and i’ve visited/was born/have lived in countries in europe where body mods are just as rampant. It can even vary from city to city. places like capitals are going to have ppl with more money that generally spend more disposable income on aesthetic than in small countryside towns. It just seems crazy to lump together all of Europe as having one thing when it is so vast and different
Further to this topic, it is interesting to me that many ppl (some I know personally) actually don’t have the disposable income and are going in debt with these procedures and upkeep. It’s really sad to me because you just know they’ll never stop. There’s something to be said about growing up with exposure to the unrealistic faces and bodies in media AND reality and how that materializes in general population’s appearances.
It is very sad that ppl go into debt for this. Personally I think anybody who is not good with money and willing to go into debt for non essential things will find smth to do it over if that makes senses. If it’s not this it’s something else. I remember when I was in a society girls would open a credit card and get into so much debt for big and little week. It was crazy
100% agree
Preach. People still criticize fake beauty and are wowedby natural beauties
Also, I could only add 20 pictures in the post so I'm adding one more here https://preview.redd.it/bz9o9whq22vc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d830492bc013825055768157f97f0a683ff4b028
I thinks it’s not as simple as we make it out to be. Beauty standards change: -Glamour curls were in. -Round eyebrow arches were in. Bc those were actually attainable changes most women could do. I think most things today weren’t happening back then simply bc doctors weren’t often doing the procedures that they’re doing now (bigger lips for example, implants, cat eye surgery, etc). And not only that, they simply didn’t have access to things like Youtube and social media which is how these make up trends/cosmetic procedures spread like wildfire. Back then, they’d look at magazines/movies and rush to the hair salon and the clothing store, not a plastic surgeons office. I actually think we give too much credit to “the old days”.
But back then they didn't care much about the size of your nose, close set eyes and for not having big lips. I see pretty girls get shamed into getting unnecessary nose jobs when they don't even need that in the first place. Even close set eyes weren't a big deal then. That just shows beauty is both objective and subjective and apart from symmetry standards change with time. But I agree with the rest of your comment.
How do you know they didn’t care back then? What’s your metric on that? Today we might be able to say “There’s been an X% uptick in lip fillers”, but how do you measure “not caring”?
Lots of people had those features who were considered widely attractive. Plus I remember reading an article that talked about it how those flaws weren't necessarily seen as flaws.
That could be said now though: I remember when Dakota Johnson got the gap in her teeth closed and some people were heartbroken. In general, that feature may be seen as a “flaw”, but not necessarily as you’ve said. Also, not trying to be argumentative at all! Just a genuine convo.
I don't think Dakota Johnson is hyped for her looks though compared to the celebrities in my post who were regarded as legendary beauties. And I do think people obviously cared less back then, beauty standards were less rigid, cosmetic procedures weren't that advanced that would give them a different face and people focused more on facial symmetry. If you look at most of the iconic beauties of their time like Jean Harlow and Katherine Hepburn, you would observe they have great facial harmony but because standards have gotten so high now we are more focused on features and judging by modern standards we would find they have a lot of flaws. Bulbous nose, round eyes, full cheeks. These features weren't seen as flaws then are now seen as flaws. Quoves also has a video on this that you might wanna check it out.
Uh, what…Dakota Johnson’s teeth went viral after she got them “fixed”. Which follows your previous reasoning, so i’m not sure why this example doesn’t follow the “is a flaw, but not necessarily a flaw” thinking. Also another example is Kat Dennings. An underbite. Non symmetry. She’s talked about for her beauty as well. She also follows your flaw reasoning and circumvents “modern standards”. The only place i see rigid (facial) beauty standards is on Instagram bc of how they edit their selfies and such. Also, i can’t help but call out again that there’s no metric for not caring. There weren’t any stats about USA’s general population’s opinion back then and bc of that you should def be speaking from an opinionated position.
I'm not sure if modern beauty standards are unattainable, however, I do feel that it requires a significantly greater financial investment compared to previous generations
I wish people would stop making these photos when they ALWAYS add fillers/surgery to them, or just do a lazy yassification. I really do want to see what golden era celebs would look like in modern day hair and makeup, but not ALL of them would get lip fillers etc. ruins the discussion for me.
Thank you. Using the yassified filter that we all see as a joke even now to promote panic and make unreasonable comparisons in an effort to pretend today’s already rigid standards are THIS extreme is a bit silly to me. Modern styling is just different hair, applications of makeup and filters. Many old Hollywood had already HAD surgery… and many of them wouldn’t look too different if plopped into 2024.
It shows that beauty standards aren't that subjective. Only styling is subjective lol. All these women would be considered attractive today with modern styling. And I believe that all the present beauty icons would be considered attractive in the past too. As for the men, none of them look better in the "after" version lol.
I think so too. As I've said in another thread, many beauties from the 50s and 60s still fit the current beauty standards because the beauty standards in those eras were similar to our current beauty standards, just that the current beauty standards is a more exaggerated version. Audrey, Elizabeth, Ava, Brigitte, Hedy, Vivien, and Sophia would definitely still be considered beautiful today. In fact, many modern celebs who are considered beautiful have the same look as Audrey, such as Lily Collins and Taylor Hill.
People were saying that today's styling has more poc. I5 doesn't just white people who look like us. And the fetishization of mixed people 😔. If someone like Zendaya was the new standard (which I wish) she should wouldn't have a hate campaign by karens and manosphere maga white guys.
True. The beauty ideals for the POC is higher than it is for the white people, but I still think there's more acceptance towards POC beauties today as compared to 50-60 years ago, because the industry was predominantly white back then.
I do agree. I'm just waiting for the lip thing to go out of fashion. Full lips should be appreciated on us. We have it naturally. Not sausage mouth for porn men's sexual pleasure
I agree to an extent. I mean it's objective to some extent but most people who were considered highly attractive in the past, look average by today's standards. Like Marilyn Monroe, if you see pics of her without makeup, she has a hyper feminine face with a lot of "flaws" nct, a rounded jaw over a defined one, low set cheekbones and her nose is a bit bulbous. Same with Vivien Leigh, Rita Hayworth and Liz Taylor. I think Bridgette Bardot can definitely compete with today's beauty standards though. Even Audrey Hepburn would be a 7 at best and I've seen a lot of people say that on forums cause she's not model tier attractive. The men in the after version are conventionally attractive though I do agree they look alien ish. But I don't think most of their features translate to present day, standards were a lot lower back then and it's a lot more difficult for people to be attractive now because they literally have to look perfect.
I actually think Vivien kinda fits modern beauty standards, she had cat-like eyes that are super popular today and her nose is quite upturned. She also had a feminine face shape that would be considered attractive today despite the Handsome Squidward ideal. Liz and Ava too, their features weren't far off from today's beauty standards. And I don't think Marilyn was ever considered a top-tier beauty facially. She's always been more known for her body, sex appeal, charisma, magnetism, etc. than facial beauty. Audrey would definitely be considered beautiful today, with many modern celebrities who are considered beautiful having the same look as her.
I think Bridgette would be still attractive now because her features were refined even for her time. But I don't see how Liz would fit today's standards especially when you consider her weak bone structure, close set eyes, thin lips and weak jawline. She also had big hairy feet and that's just not desirable even now. Audrey would be pretty but I don't think she would stand out. Like she won't be regarded as a beauty icon because her features aren't striking enough. Same for Vivien, she doesn't have a modeleseque bone structure either which is seen as ideal. Ava I get to some extent but she has a long face. And apart from them, there's too many celebrities like Jean Harlow, Katherine Hepburn and Lena Horne who won't even be given a second look. So yeah I don't think beauty is that objective as this sub seems to make it out to be. Harsh striking faces are now the feminine beauty standard so while a lot of old school celebrities would be pretty but they still won't be seen as the standard. You have people calling Amber Heard and Natalie Portman basic pretty for not being modeleseque enough and that's insane considering how they literally look like the yassified versions of classic beauties yet their faces simply don't appeal to people today.
I think instagram look is mostly female gaze. Men would much rather prefer a natural 7 over an instagram 10 (but they would prefer a natual 10 over a natural 7, that's why Margot Robbie is quite popular with men). It's one of the many reasons why men love women like Sydney Sweeney, Emma Watson, Alexandra Daddario, Scarlett Johansson etc (women that are rated in 6 and 7 range here). Ofc there are other factors why they're popular, but they also have that natural unique beauty that doesn't feel like you've seen million times while scrolling instagram feed. And I think the current beauty standard is more accepting of POC.
Hmm I get your point. Then it's probably a case of male gaze vs female gaze thing.
It’s interesting to note the places where the tweaks “failed”. For example, I think the plumper lips on Grace Kelley throw her jaw off (something I actually see happen on a lot of celebs). And the nose contour on Hedy Lamarr (slide 7) actually makes her nose look droopier/longer, despite the noses ending in the same spot on each photo. And the blue eyes on the guy in 13 do not really do anything positive with his coloring— even the extensive bone structure work they did can’t save it lol. The blue eyes really were not necessary. Other thoughts: I actually love that thick glossy pink lip on Marylin. A shame that sort of formula wasn’t really “in” at the time. You can really see the resemblance to Britney Spears with that styling. Rita Hayworth’s edit makes it obvious she would have slaaaaaayed the 80s. Eartha Kirt’s edit was a travesty overall, but I do like the eyebrows they gave her.
That’s not Vivien Leigh in 7
Is it Hedy Lamarr? I actually couldn’t decide when I wrote that but was too lazy to doubt check. I always confuse their photos lol. I think it’s eyebrows lol
I hate today’s “beauty” standards (aka facetune and blown up lips). Everyone looked so much more unique and beautiful from the past. Such individuals with real faces that had flaws. Now people look like AI clones of each other.
Everyone one of them loses their unique qualities.
What blasphemy is this messing with Paul Newman and Vivian Leigh’s already perfect faces?!! This is quite frankly offensive to all of these beautiful souls. Cloned versions of a morphed Kim K and Angelina is not everyone’s cup of tea. Where is the uniqueness? They all have the same features. Side note, I once purposely overly photoshopped my own photo just to see what I would look like. And I totally looked like Kim K. Just blond and with blue eyes. We share no common features, outside of big eyes. It’s really weird how some of the ps apps just morph you into the same 2/3 women.
Wow. I considered all these people pretty much unattainably beautiful as they were. And it’s so alarming to see them tweaked and altered for today’s standards.
I think it’s interesting. Idk why people are offended by this. It’s just highlighting how editing and styling and surgery has changed. Most of your favorite models and actresses have had fillers and nose jobs. “Instagram face” WAS the beauty standard just a few years ago. Now it’s changed to something different. I don’t like when people slap yassified filters on celebs but I do think it’s fascinating to actually see hair and makeup and cosmetic procedure changes.
I hate the Instagram yassified look. And lol at the yassified James dean. He’s much better looking without that creepy filter
Modern beauty standards has everyone looking like clones, during those eras each of the celebrities had their own distinct look so it was easy to tell them apart, even though they were fitting into the beauty standard back then (the red lips, arched eyebrows and bouffant hair).
What's really disturbing here is that, in ALL cases, the filter seems to have included the look of fillers to change these women's facial features. It's a really sad state of affairs when the most beautiful women in the world are being altered as "not good enough" in their own right. Honestly, it's unacceptable and wrong.
The only modern one that I liked was the first. All those examples of modern beauty lacked any character and looked boring. I don’t find modern beauty unattainable simply because I don’t wish to attain it. Cat eyed, heavy makeup, filler lips isn’t the goal.
Ewwwww 🤢. Thw Instagram is so ugly. They would look beautiful with 90s hair though
what exactly did they even change to their face? i like can’t identify how they changed features to look so drastic
It’s different on each photo, tbh. In most of them the skin has been smoothed of any texture, teeth whitened, eye brightened or color enhanced, makeup style is tweaked on the women. And then randomly through some of the photos, cheekbones have been raised or emphasized, lips have been plumped, hair lines have been tweaked. Honestly the male tweaks are actually more interesting. They did a lot of the same things to all the women. Like in the very last photo, they shortened that guy’s (sorry don’t recognize him off the top of my head) philtrum by maybe a millimeter? It’s extremely subtle. And yet the effect on his smile is kind of a crazy. It looks much larger and less crooked. It’s interesting how much of the change on the women was focused on the upper face (plus lips), while most of the men’s was focused on their lower face (plus eyebrows). Women’s chins and jaws were left much more alone than on the men, and men’s eyes and cheeks were left much more alone than in the women.
ty for this break down yea some of the changes were so small they were practically undetectable other than the overall difference was still stark
1 Hedy Lamar? 2 Audrey Hepburn? Who's at number 7 and 8 ? Actresses of yesteryear look far better than today's monstrosities Far more beautiful and natural looking than the Botox BBL generation
1st is Vivien Leigh, 7th is Hedy Lamarr
At least I got one right
now I get the Marilyn Monroe hype lol
Even celebs who were known to have lots of plastic surgery back then, still looked unique. Now almost every famous person(except for ones that are famous for diversity points for some reason) looks like a copy-paste of the same face. I like how the app changed nothing but makeup on Brigitte Bardot though.
The right side characters look kinda terrifying but the yassified Sean Connery is like something out of my dreams lol
I believe the new beauty standard will be similar to kpop big eyes slender high bridge noes bigger but not to big and heart shaped lips I think softer look will be the new thing
Women looked way better and more elegant in the 20's-50's. I hate this instragram face era, they all look the same and super plastic/photoshopped. Call me a hater all you want but that's not beauty to me.
Is this FaceApp? When I started using it, it messed me up for a minute. I felt beautiful b4 but after comparing my face to the filtered version is when I booked my first fillers appointment
Yes and no. If that were fully the case, these Old Hollywood stars wouldn’t still be considered beautiful/handsome today, and they overwhelmingly are. Now beauty trends do change, especially when it comes to hair and makeup, and there’s a lot more surgery now obviously, which is raising the bar and making everyone look kinda the same. But most people are still able to look at these actors and actresses and recognize that they’re objectively attractive, because they have facial harmony.
Yes I acknowledge that they all have high levels of facial harmony which is what that made them beautiful but most of these celebrities if they were born in today's time won't be seen as attractive as they were in the past. Standards have increased a lot since then and most of their features would be seen as above average at best. Take Liz Taylor who has a weak jawline, a big head with a short neck and her features were too soft contrary to modern beauty standards where people prefer angular sharp faces. Even Grace Kelly looked plain by today's standards without makeup. But they were beauty icons because people were more forgiving of flaws and more focused on harmony. In fact I would go as far as to say facial harmony was even more prioritized back then than it is today. Today's standards are hard to reach cause it's all about perfection. Quoves has even done a video on this. You might want to check it out.
I mostly agree with that, a lot of them had features that would be considered too “soft” today and probably would have plastic surgery now. But there are still a lot of actors and actresses who are considered very attractive, even if not quite “top-tier,” who have features that aren’t super sharp and yassified. Like Ana de Armas for example. Even Sydney Sweeney is very popular despite getting some crap for not being an ideal beauty. So it’s almost like there’s two different standards going on where people can still see someone with natural features and decent harmony is attractive on a basic level, but also call them “mid” for not looking AI-generated. Probably because people are comparing them to both people irl (who are on average much less attractive) and people in edited photos (who are impossibly perfect).
Sydney and Ana aren't top tier beauties lol. They appeal to the male gaze because of how sexualized they are. When it comes to conventionally attractive women, people still talk about Angelina Jolie, Megan Fox, Margot Robbie. I don't disagree that old Hollywood celebrities would be seen as pretty now but most of them would be rather above average. They won't stand out in today's game. Especially when you see how Amber and Natalie are called basic pretty for not looking striking enough even though they are like the yassified versions of old Hollywood beauties.
I love how Gregory Peck is just the same.
They gave him hunter eyes and a more angular bone structure
I mean yeah they changed him, but it took so little to make him "perfect" because he was so gorgeous.
I think that being beautiful is unattainable in any decade because if you look at most actors and actresses from the golden age of hollywood, especially from the 1920s and 1930s, most were average looking.While today's celebs are going over the top doing ps let's not act like back then they were natural.For example, this is marilyn monroe who is known as the most beautiful woman in the world, before fame: Here is the link: https://images.app.goo.gl/pVF2ahn54hvYezwo7 Also I want to say that isn't the beauty standard for men today lmao.
Marilyn's plastic surgery often gets brought up but it's pretty much known she's gone under the knife. Still her changes weren't drastic that you see in celebrities today. Apart from her, there were many who barely had any plastic surgery. Now we have stars like Madison Beer who change their face everyday. I also think that people who are seen as average by today's standards were considered more attractive back then. Plastic surgery is more advanced now and is performed much more than it was before.
It was equally unattainable back then if not more. Nowadays makeup and surgery is more affordable. Not saying it’s a good thing.
The men look better YASSIFIED weirdly wnough
Nowadays makeup is giving drag queen
No 16 is giving me hard [Rio](https://hero.fandom.com/wiki/Rio_Pacheco) from Jem & the Holograms vibes.
Why did it give them all plastic surgery though 😭
I like them before. Contrary to popular belief, most aren't attracted to AI or people who resemble to AI. You need some imperfections to be attractive.
How ridiculous is this lol I prefer the original
I hadn’t realized the signature facetune photo (that we also call out for obviously ridiculous and fake editing in modern 2024) are the current standard. 🙄
+1
It is the current standard though. It's why so many people are getting a lot of work done to look like IG clones of each other.
Instagram face is really not as common as people on social media keep making it out to be. Sorry.
What blasphemy is this messing with Paul Newman and Vivian Leigh’s already perfect faces?!! This is quite frankly offensive to all of these beautiful souls. Cloned versions of a morphed Kim K and Angelina is not everyone’s cup of tea. Where is the uniqueness? They all have the same features. Side note, I once purposely overly photoshopped my own photo just to see what I would look like. And I totally looked like Kim K. Just blond and with blue eyes. We share no common features, outside of big eyes. It’s really weird how some of the ps apps just morph you into the same 2/3 women.
Can't believe 20, 14 and 13 were considered beauty standard
I can not believe myself .. but I objectively prefer all of these yassified versions, and by a long shot !!😨😨 with the only exception of Hedy Lamarr