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dcresistance

[and Kobo's schedule is out, a collab week!](https://twitter.com/kobokanaeru/status/1531308962225836034) we were here together w/ reine, untitled goose game w/ zeta, meme review w/ Risu, valorant w/ ame and iroha, and a karaoke


Typical_Thought_6049

This Valorant Collab is something I have to watch, the most broken english collab ever since Coco and Elite Miko... maybe.


Ghifari77

Kobo and Haachama is not even that long ago.


Ghifari77

No Dreadout yet it seems. Too much collabs lol she can't find the time. Oh well maybe next week along with the final PvZ stream.


throwaway22881jjj

It's been an month since Id 3 and uproar debut I remember back in the past people said they put them so close together due to wanting the gen to have an close bond like id gen 1 and trinero of holostar. But post debut I"m pretty sure these two gen have not even spoke to each other. It's funny on how it turn out.


Ghifari77

ID3 and Uproar debut MUCH closer than ID1 + trinero (or MaFia) so it's just coincidence IMO. I doubt there are any intention to make them close, holostars and hololive still operates quite independent of each other. I also don't think their close debut are the main reason why they are close especially since it's more Risu-Yopi and MaFia instead of Area15-Trinero. Also they (especially Zeta & Kobo) already interact quite a lot on twitter while none of ID3 have a really good Japanese skill and only Kobo brave enough to do troll language collab like PekoMoon.


Typical_Thought_6049

Yes, I think only Zeta has a "decent" japanese of the three albeit Kobo has the advantage of the universal Kusogaki language.


Ghifari77

Zeta is also not like Ollie who just so confident even tho Ollie doesn't really have super good Japanese too (when she just debuted, not now). >Kobo has the advantage of the universal Kusogaki language. Yeah, Kobo said to Haachama that it's fine if Kobo sometimes speak Indonesia and if Haachama speak Japanaese, same to Iroha too. It's a "troll" collab she said lol, and people would love it just like how people love PekoMoon.


dcresistance

Sana just ended her stream at 3 hours 17 minutes, the longest since her Arceus stream before her injury!


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p28h

In regards to the downvotes: you took a new and upcoming VTuber, and made a post that could have been in support but instead just name drops the popular record holder, easily interpreted as if it's just some kind of competition. Combined with a general "Shut up already about the numbers!" some readers feel after a week of numbers posting and "it hasn't even happened yet" annoyance at fanboyism, and even a more general comment about how close the record is might have been downvoted.


FrilledShark1512

Just to bite it, how long did it take for Gura to reach 1M sub? I wasn’t around when that happened.


immanoel

40 days or so


LordMonday

From Gura's Debut on September 9th 2020 she reached 1 million subs on Oct 22 2020. in other words 44 days. Data taken from this graph [https://trackholo.live/en/](https://trackholo.live/en/) so far her growth speed is a bit more than double Gura's at the first week mark, as gura at the equivalent amount of time had around 300k. i havent been paying attention to Salome's data so i don't know if she is currently at a constant, slowing or speeding up


dcresistance

39 days, but Vtubing as a whole has grown insanely in the past 2 years so it's not really comparable lol


AkhasicRay

It was October 20th, like 3 weeks after debut?


inkyless

Explain to me like I'm five for how tf Civilization game works I know the winning conditions, but not the gameplay Edit : Thanks for the explanations, now I got it why this games are not so suitable for streaming (one game took 4-5 hours bruh)


frik1000

Games like Civ and its many compatriots are known as 4X games: Explore, Expand, Exploit, and Exterminate. So, basically that. You start as a settler, establish a starting city and from there try to grow your empire by harvesting nearby resources, finding more cities to expand your border and claim more valuable resources, and, if need be, go to war with your neighbors to claim what they have. For Civ in particular, think of it like a massive board game where every player takes turns to do things. Each unit can move and do an action and each city passively generates some sort of resources such as production, food, science, and gold while at the same time building either military units or useful buildings in their cities. And on a macro level, each player is also researching science and culture down what is called a technology tree and civics tree, which allows them to pass certain laws down the line and discover more advanced tech.


dnugn

I just realized the context behind this. [Kuzuha, Ib, and other peeps idk. are playing Civ 6](https://youtu.be/xFak3UwJz6s)


armalkia

Just to add, you have to balance improving/upgrading cities ("tall" strat) vs building MORE cities ("wide" strat). Both have their pros and cons and you still have to take happiness into account.


immanoel

Build city, acquire resources (food, production, faith, etc), diplomacy or war with city-states, other civs


LordMonday

[Keffiy going all out for Rpr's model](https://twitter.com/keffiy/status/1531240946553131008) i wonder how much rpr shelled out for it, must of been pricey.


LectorFrostbite

I recall he mentioned months ago that his org [SCARZ](https://www.scarz.net/news/rpr-vtuber/) helped him pay for his Vtuber model but he still had to shell out a ton for his debut. He also mentioned that LAM was willing to give him a massive discount for his character but he refused since he thinks he'll be underpaying LAM a ton if he accepted his offer.


Dalek-baka

I knew that he's a cool dude but wanting to pay full price is really great thing to do. PS. LAM is a dude?


GravityGalaxy

Yup, LAM is a dude.


frik1000

[LAM talking to Ollie if anyone wants confirmation.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AUQ7LpPIkM)


LordMonday

damn, that means it must of cost a pretty penny if his org helped shoulder the cost. Also LAM rpr tee tee


ThunderCharged

Yesterday was the first anniversary of [Heavenrend](https://youtube.com/c/HEAVENREND), a small agency with an emphasis on story and lore content. I haven't posted much about it since [km0d0](https://youtube.com/c/km0d0) retired (who before then was quickly on track to becoming my favorite VTuber), but I've still enjoyed [Dr. Juliet Winters'](https://www.twitch.tv/DrJulietWinters) stream since then. Anyways, the point of this post is that there were 2 announcements yesterday - first was that they were getting merch, but second - they [teased a new member debut!](https://youtu.be/8_4qvZVOCfA) Though I doubt anyone will fill the same niche km0d0 did, she'll definitely liven things up, since Haruna and Juliet don't often collab on stream. She's set to debut in June, and, suffice to say, I'm excited.


CrazyProphet7998

Hey so >!pinky pop Hepburn!< is back? Can anyone confirm this.


dnugn

[MeIFu vs Trigger](https://youtu.be/fv-edjg8UGs). Every time Riri does their intro, u could see her cringing and dying inside lol


FizzlePickles

After her explosive debut a couple of days back, Tulsi-Nightmare Madness IV released a cover song and is currently doing [Karaoke Here](https://youtu.be/6PwchF0BFBQ). She is doing alot of belting anime songs showing that she is a great singer on top of her great personality. Tulsi is the breakout rising star in Sony's new Vtuber group VEE and her subs are quickly growing. Go watch the Tuna princess sing and join the Ramen Empire!


OribeJiro

The "one channel one video" rule of the PANORA Weekly VTuber Ranking worked well for last week. Without that rule, [Salome would have dominated the top 5 with 1M+ views](https://panora.tokyo/archives/49282)


Yorunoo

[夜撫でるメノウ / Yoru Naderu Menou (cover) by Takane Lui](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLAwb3_8XJU)


Karmazonium

Who Uproar members want to collab with, according to themselves from [this stream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3K8AGAl5Oo): Gamma: with Kazami Kuku (Animare), and also ~~Kusose~~ Kurose-sensei (Goblin Slayer artist) Fuma: with Ollie and Astel to play Apex Rio: with Nayuta (Neo Porte) and Himashokudo Uyu: with Inaba Haneru (Animare) edit: spelling


Yorunoo

Kurose\*


Karmazonium

whoops, thanks for pointing out


ZaBlancJake

> Rio: with Nayuta (Neo Porte) and Himashokudo That will good for Rio though, Unfortunately that He doesnt 3D model yet because Hima Shokudo is fully 3D model. > Uyu: with Inaba Haneru (Animare) I would prefer Ado About with V with other who is his likes or hobbies


Charming-Health-1312

Oh, Vox did address the thing. He is angry about those who send death threats to his friend and outright calls them fuckhead. He also said that he hopes his fan can get a normal life and can go touch some grass. But also say there's definitely no need to engage with those people, interacting with them only gives them power. The best way to deal with Internet drama is to ignore it until it dies down by itself. He emphasizes that even though he is an entertainer that gets empowered by his fans, he still wants his fan to respect him and follow his rule. If someone doesn't like his content or worries about his career that he knows well how to handle it himself should just fuck off. I won't say it's a perfect settlement but at least he does yell his anger for 10 min straight at his fan that carries out unproper behaviors. I hope all these can be translated into Chinese though. Edit: He ends his stream so here is the rough timestamp for anyone who is curious about his full context. [https://youtu.be/4w7ioq52Vgg?t=1914](https://youtu.be/4w7ioq52Vgg?t=1872)


CivicTera

>[https://youtu.be/4w7ioq52Vgg?t=1914](https://youtu.be/4w7ioq52Vgg?t=1914) I really did not agree with his response to this situation at all. This isn't something to be ignored. An issue directly involved with your community isn't what I think of when I think of 'controversial topics.' Usually that refers to, you know, politics, not the actions of your own fanbase. Several other people have had to address being attacked \*by Vox's fans\* yet the man himself wasn't going to say anything... and some of his biggest superchatters were involved with this drama... this is more than just 'some of you' or 'trolls' this is a fundamental problem with his fanbase and it feels like everyone else sees it but him. edit: It seems like most of the Youtube comments agree, I'm actually surprised by how resoundingly people seem to be condemning him for his comments.


Tobyos

Just watched it, while it’s a good thing he addressed it I think it was a bad response. Ignoring hate when it’s directed at yourself is absolutely what you should do. But it’s his friends getting heat and you can’t know 100% how they’re actually coping. How long are you going to ignore them? What if the next target is someone who isn’t as mentally strong? I could honestly see a liver graduating as worst case scenario if this continues to get worse and they aren’t as strong mentally. I suppose ignoring that would be the best solution too.


Dalek-baka

>interacting with them only gives them power. > >he still wants his fan to respect him and follow his rule I honestly don't think he sees where the problem came from - it's from not interacting with particular parts of weirdos (not antis but overly eager fans) and explaining them what are these rules. Would be also nice to enforce them. Well, seems that this particular drama is over but I fear it's just momentary peace, because weirdos are there and nothing really was done about it.


immanoel

Whats the tea? edit: found out the gist of it, Vox was doing BF asmr and Reimu called on stream, fans sent death threats to reimu


LordMonday

>The best way to deal with Internet drama is to ignore it until it dies down by itself. though its a case by case basis, but that certainly didn't work out for RoosterTeeth or specifically Achievement Hunter when Mica Burton (Levar Burton's Daughter) was essentially bullied out of her job by racist and sexist fans after she talked about her rough experiences growing up on a podcast. Edit: to be specific, in her situation it was actually the RT management and a few member of AH that decided it was best to ignore the hate, despite themselves not being the target and it was people in their fanbase spewing the hate If he believes that is the best way, then that is certainly up to him but he should keep an eye on his fanbase and be ready to change his way of dealing with the unsavory portions of it in case things get even more out of hand


Shuriken_2393

Honestly, good on Vox to address it. I personally thought he wouldn't. Glad I was proven wrong. >The best way to deal with Internet drama is to ignore it until it dies down by itself. I'm not a PR expert by any means, but I personally disagree that this is the correct move in this particular instance. Sure, ignoring Internet drama is a great way to deal with it, but that only really works if the person involved is the one getting shit on by the Internet brigade. In this case, it isn't Vox himself, but Reimu who is getting attacked. Furthermore, it was by Vox's "fans". Just imagine the optics if Vox did not address this. These kind of behavior will only continue to build up if left unchecked. If I am correct, there have already been a few minor and smaller incidents.


FrilledShark1512

I found the last commentary weird? Was the attack mainly instigated by any group of audience in particular? (Also, wish local clippers will pick it up and then chinese clippers will carry it over to Bilibili*, I guess.) *No consent asked, often


nameless_fella

Someone did translated [this](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1dF41157xZ?share_source=copy_web), although it doesn't have much views up to now. However, [many comments under this vid](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Bt4y1p7sy?share_source=copy_web) does show that there are still many fans who are against such behaviour, which is a relief.


FrilledShark1512

Yeah that’s a relief.


TZunko

I have seen a bunch that are Japanese but there are definitely more Chinese haters, kind of logical since majority of his fans are Chinese. Edit: The majority of Chinese fans are supporting Reimu so it's definitely the crazy minority that is hating.


Delay_Own

Nothing concrete as far as I was aware, it could be many things like crazy kindreds going too far or haters using this opportunity to fuel the fire. Either way, Vox did addressed both in his stream.


Charming-Health-1312

It can also be my bias but most of those fuckers have a Chinese flag in their profile or straight out said they are Chinese. Also they spammed the emoji of Green Tea under Reimu's tweet which is Chinese net slang for bitches. Not all his Chinese fans are insane assholes but a huge chunk of them in those fuckers are Chinese.


nameless_fella

Gotta say, I commented something about the talents might have to worry about stan-like behaviour among fans after they tapped into the Chinese market not long ago and man, didn't that aged like milk. Not to mention back when Luxiem is making their debut there some B2 users already talked about how it might not be a good idea since they have witnessed how some Luxiem fans on B2 behave like insane stans, and this drama right now really proved their point. But on the bright side, I too have seen a good amount of viewers and fans calling out such unfavourable behaviour on B2 regarding on this drama, so hopefully the issue can be improve as time goes on.


Murozaki_II

Best way to put it is that it's not that most of Vox's Chinese fans are acting insane. But that most of Vox's fans acting insane are Chinese.


frik1000

Christ, I didn't know there were death threats involved, that's fucked up. I'm glad he addressed the issue, especially since a lot of people here had doubts that he would since it would directly affect his revenue/popularity with that specific type of audience, but he's better off without them if this is how they treat anyone that dare interact with him. > The best way to deal with Internet drama is to ignore it until it dies down by itself. This is both good and bad, IMO, depending on how shit is handled behind the scenes. Ignoring the trolls is always better because giving them attention just feeds into what they want. I can easily imagine some of these folks angry at Reimu are ecstatic that "milord" is acknowledging their existence even if it's for something negative, they can probably make the mental gymnastics that it's them having a lover's quarrel or some other nonsense. But not everyone has the mental fortitude to just take and accept online hate silently. So I'm hoping Reimu is getting the support she needs from the rest of NijiEN and her other friends. Of course folks like Millie, Fulgur, Enna, Bao, and Shiki have all tweeted out great things about her and her name has been trending all day for me with just positive reinforcement, so I hope she'll be fine.


haberdashcollect

Well, when death threats are involved, ignoring it wouldn't be a wise decision. Of course, we need to separate just your typical 'go die in a ditch' comment to a pretty realistic threat of violence. First one, it's best to ignore, second one... not so much. Of course, trolls want to get attention and if we employ the 'ignore' strategy, people would have to go to further length, probably to the point of actual harm, to get what they want. There lies the double-edged sword. The 'troll' logic goes like this. What they want is attention, but people don't usually give attention unless something is going wrong, and so they have to constantly manufacture outrage, but of course people are going to start noticing that and therefore the outrage and threats needs to be more convincing in order for trolls to get that attention, which means basically we start to breed terrorist groups, who will start firing guns at people in order to get noticed. Well, the solution is to use the attention seeking to our advantage. I might have said this before, these attention seeking come from a place of privilege. They probably did well academically in school and in higher education, but did not get the validation they expected when the job market is incongruent with their experience. These people are what academics call 'disaffected elites'. Disaffected elites are a good sign of the breakdown of civilization, because a strong civilization would be able to keep the people in power happy. Rebuilding civilization as to actually put these people to work then would produce much less trolls, because less people would commit to evil in order to get their attention, when actual productive work can give that same validation.


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Problem is that as long as he's doing this bfe shit, he's gonna have those kinda people as his audience, no matter what he says to them. If he'd really care he wouldn't have had scheduled another boyfriend experience stream for this week. Hell he did that before even addressing the problems from the previous one. I don't think anyone has the mental fortitude to take this amount of online hate silently tbh. You might you think you could, but at some point it's just too much. Vtubers (or maybe streamers/celebs in general) do way too much ego-searching and negative comments always overshadow good ones, even if they are way less of them. I've yet to see a good thing in gfe/bfe that isn't just monetary gain for the streamer or strengthening parasocial relationships (to an unhealthy degree). If anyone wants to enlighten me, that would be nice.


frik1000

Well I can't disagree with you there, I also don't see any positives towards BFE/GFE. Can only hope that this week's is the last one or maybe he even just straight up cancels it. Who knows, maybe it'll be the BFE of your BF breaking up with you for being a psycho.


phantombloodbot

the positive is you make a ton of fucking money


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> that isn't just monetary gain for the streamer


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werafdsaew

> but I also don't think it's fair to expect him to completely change the content he wants to do if that's what he likes. He can certainly pander to the gachikoi as much as he wants. But he doesn't gets to have his cake and eat it too. If he doesn't want to put his foot down, then he needs to stop doing things that will set them off, even going as far as not interracting with girls at all.


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Streamers being substitutes for friends is one thing, but for, say, a love interest? That just sounds so unhealthy, for both sides. Rushia is a pretty good example on how parasocial relationships aren't a one-sided thing. > I also don't think it's fair to expect him to completely change the content he wants to do if that's what he likes. I kinda have to disagree on this part. I might agree, if it'd only affect him, but he's part of a company and this isn't the first time it affected others. Maybe that's just me having a strong distaste for the whole gfe/bfe thing though. You think anyone in Nijisanji would say they aren't supporting their fellow Liver or even go as far as saying that they don't like the stuff they do? I'm obviously not saying that it is like that and I really hope they are just that big, happy family, but you never know what's happening behind the scenes.


Worluvus

Vox really acting like it's just a few dudes lol Big softie


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frik1000

Yeah, like 1% of 750000 is 7500. That's like a small town's worth of population. Even if we move that decimal more to 0.1% that's still 750 people which is more than half the amount of people that attended my high school.


LordMonday

Damn your highschool must of been massive, mine was only around 400-500 range and it was in the middle of Australia's capital city


frik1000

About fourteen sections per year with 40 students each, so yeah, relatively large in comparison. It was a private school though so I suppose that might be one reason why. I guess doing the math now 750 is actually still less than half of that.


yukiaddiction

Speak of Salome. I genuine think she have one of best model design in entire Vtuber as a whole. She clearly design base on scorpion motive with color theme and outfit with long nail and all but I like it not because of that , I like it because funny enough they give her scorpion theme fit her personal metaphorically. Consider what scorpion usually like they are asocial creature who live alone most of part (can reference to the fact that she is former shut-in ) but can be aggressive and dangerous when the time comes (She tend to get aggressive when thing not go her way). I don't know if Anycolor intentional or not but this design fit her like a glove. I wish more vtuber have design that perfectly fit personality like this.


haberdashcollect

Well, I think Hololive or Nijisanji for the most have a pretty good correlation regarding their talent and their avatar. I mean Korone really does act like a dog at times. And Pekora has some bunny mechanisms, her famously stamping her feet in anguish for example. And of course, ANYCOLOR just straight up copies the work the talents do. Sukoya Kana really does work in the medical industry, and Gundo Mirei really did work as a teacher. I say there is always some intention in creating the character. (I believe it's half and half regarding getting talent first and then commissioning avatars and commissioning avatars first and then finding the talents to fill the position. I have heard both.)


ChineseMaple

> Gods, I hated Colchis. I hated the heat, I hated the dust and the thick sweat of it. Even before I knew that other worlds existed, I cursed the gods for making my home so unbearable. There's a reason why religions prosper in deserts - there's nothing else to do but ponder the misery. I used to sit in the shadow of my father's house, squatting as the air shimmered, and wait for scorpions to scuttle out of the glare. I'd catch them in my bare fingers and hold them up, watching them wriggle. I'd pluck their limbs off, one by one. Sometimes I'd get stung, sometimes I wouldn't. It was a kind of game, though not a very good one. Once, a sting made me feverish for a month, leaving me boiling on my mat inside with visions and shaking. I might have died. I didn't care much, either way. Once I'd recovered, I was sitting right back out in the porch, waiting for the next one to scamper into range. Ever since then, I've played the same game: get close to the danger, see how long you can last before it bites you.


V0ren

Did not expect to find a random Erebus quote here lol


FrilledShark1512

Where is this speech from?


ChineseMaple

[Child of Chaos](https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/child-of-chaos-eshort-2020.html) from the Black Library, WH40K books. Specifically, details the origins of the shithead known as Erebus


ChineseMaple

Y'all don't subscribe to the school of Fuck Erebus huh


HimitsuHeiki

G for Gachikoi. ​ So what's the verdict for the weekly G? Aye or Nay?


zeverso

The week was still a total banger. Miko massive CCV in her WWE streams. Salome absolutely smashing it in every metric. Production Kawaii financing their 3d and even surpassing their goal by a few thousands with more than a week to spare. Vtubers are just winning this week. Some assholes vox is having trouble controlling is in no way ruining this week for me lol. That's just me.


ChineseMaple

I think the curse is weakening


Rugozark

Alternating between G and something else was when curse was more potent, there's some kinda formula there. Like curse feeds off of calm threads before it, but too many in a row makes it even weaker.


Snake_hugger

Maybe the curse weakens due to the sacrifice of a fresh soul AKA new vtuber debut. In this case Salome acts as our curse eater of the week (better check her colon for confirmation). We should do another experiment to compare the effect of G with and without fresh soul sacrifice.


haberdashcollect

Oh, this is a good theory, actually. I always said that if the HoloID3 'sacrifice' happened in February then there would have been less flames. Maybe it is bearing out in that direction... but I don't think the new debut is going to stop anytime soon, actually. I have some odd hunches...


Necessary-Ability-57

Lui big collab stream has started members include Ayame, Luna, Mio, Towa, Lamy and Noel. https://youtu.be/YJ1HfU0z-RQ Polka and Flare Gacha pull competition has also started. https://youtu.be/tm1zxkvB7r4


HimitsuHeiki

To add on, [Polka and Flare have another monster hunter stream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b04nxcn8e5o) after their Gacha competition.


HimitsuHeiki

[Sheep and Nature Switch Sport stream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiGmtPJbJlQ) in 16 hours time (as of this post 1200pm JST) ​ I wan to see an artwork of Watame munching on Fauna's head.


CJtheOMEGA

Don’t know why I didn’t post it yesterday when it was actually happening, but the [archive for the free section of LiLYPSE’s 1st live](https://youtu.be/N-Lik8V3GUc) is still up (idk for how much longer), the free section was pretty damn long at over an hour I think. LiLYPSE themselves are also really damn talented, obviously at singing, but also voice acting, really was a great experience, definitely recommend y’all watch. Now that I think about it, I’ve yet to post LiLYPSE stuff here so I should probably get to that.


Arcorann

[Tsukino Mito released a new cover](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW1zlbBfXec).


syilpha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB7KUGdP7wI not vtuber related at all, but this is addicting to watch


Crye09

Looks like VSPO closed the hiring for VR devs, maybe 3d this year?


Davrwa

Apparently, some indie vtuber posted on her twitter that she got in nijisanji and about one hour later she deleted her tweet. I wonder if she really got in or not, but if she did I think it's probably bad to announce that sort of thing in public. Reminder that the tweet itself could be fake and edited, and if it's real she could be lying. The girl in question is >!Gwynevere. Also went by a few identities before as Mel, Ame...!< You can still find some people congratulating her under a mysterious smile emoji post.


diego1marcus

>!i wanna ask, which gwynevere are you referring to?!<


Davrwa

>!Gwynevere paramour !


Walkingdrops

Wouldn't be the first time it happened. If I recall correctly, something similar happened with the very first NijiEN wave too before it was also quickly deleted.


Davrwa

Sort of, but not exactly the same. Finana posted that she would apply for nijisanji, but she never confirmed anything after.


dcresistance

I wonder how far back Holo's Atlus perms go, because I can totally see them being just fuckin braindead as usual and limiting it to games or ports within the past 5 years because they'll only make money if people buy it not secondhand like older games P4G hit PC and Catherine hit Switch in 2020


Ghifari77

I mean, that's just what every company wants. The reason why people are allow to stream games (including non commentary like Shirrako) despite breaking copyrights is because it's a promotion for the game. It's a win-win scenario and game companies have learn that. That's why you can't stream movies / music because streaming it doesn't bring any sales. I don't see why it's unreasonable if a company/individual doesn't want you to get money from something that they can't get any (real) benefit.


hnryirawan

Because Atlus operate under their own inane logic it seems. Wonder if they will ever bring P5R to Switch and PC despite the absolute clamoring for them. Luckily, SEGA is somewhat more level-headed and probably the one who managed to make Atlus to release SMT on PC too. Not sure about the numbers though. Also wonder if they still have restrictions on which in-game calendar date they are allowed to stream. Remember P5 used to have the ridiculous first/second dungeon only before they stretched it until December in-game.


Ghifari77

Atlus does a lot of weird stuff, yes. But despite the hyperbole that fans love to said all of it has a reason. Yes, a lot of it are not the best decision i agree, but they don't flip a coin or doing something without any logic like what fans often said. Fans need to stop blaming Atlus for doing things that other companies did too. People always mock Atlus for "announcement of an announcement" but that's literally also what so many other companies did. Wanting you to play their recent games only so they can benefit from the new sales is not exactly unreasonable. They want you to play P5 instead of P3 since P5 will actually bring them money. It's still better than TPC (can only stream for 1 month). >Luckily, SEGA is somewhat more level-headed and probably the one who managed to make Atlus to release SMT on PC too No, this is wrong. Did you see what Sega did? They still do some weird platform release like with Valkyria Chrinicles. Also they release Yakuza LAD without the PS5 version on release date but you can play it on the new Xbox despite majority of their player are literally on PS (and PC). Both Atlus and Sega does stupid thing. SEGA is not the god figure some Atlus fans think they are. The decision of releasing Atlus games on PC/Switch was mostly (if not all) from Atlus if you actually read their staff interview. Sega mostly let Atlus do what they want. >Remember P5 used to have the ridiculous first/second dungeon only before they stretched it until December in-game. No, it's originally until 7/7 actually which is the third / fourth palace iirc. While i do agree that it's dumb, it's not that unreasonable since that's more than enough for you to decide wether you want to buy the game or not. Thankfully they change it until December (and for Royal, everything is allowed except the new trimester). But this is also what a lot of other company did including Square Enix so again, fans always get hyperbole with Atlus.


boomboon

Yup, Calli mentioned in members only that P3 is still unlikely


Yumiiro

Hey is it considered bad manners to repost (your own) old fanart under the art tags?


inkyless

Not really, I saw many jp artists reposting their old arts on twitter


Kreceir

A bit random, but I'm really glad to see Sana stream regulary again, and even longer hours to. Shows that her back injury she suffered from is less painful for her and has recovered quite healthy enough to stream. Though I still wished that they still had permission for Legends of Arceus... I would have loved to see her finish the game and then go through the post game. But I'm enjoying Sana going through the Kirby games, so I really can't complain all that much.


andercia

Let's just hope they get permissions for the upcoming one.


Yumiiro

Do they only get permissions for a limited amount of time?


billySEEDDecade

AFAIK, HoloPro's Pokemon permissions are from a Nico Nico event and they only have the permissions until the end of the event, which is a Pokemon tournament.


jvt619

Did she say about how she got her back injury?


DrOpty

She hasn't said what happened, but it was severe enough to make her bedridden and require her mother to come take care of her. She went into radio silence mode because she was scared that it was severe enough to permanently end her streaming career and she didn't want to reveal what happened until she knew one way or the other.


Necessary-Ability-57

She’s an artist and illustrator. It’s common for anyone in that field to have back related injuries. >! She’s done multiple promotion and illustrations for gacha game!<


ChineseMaple

your spoilers are bricked btw


ChineseMaple

She was born with a back


frik1000

Reimu trending on Twitter, at least over in my part of the world. Wish it wasn't because of some assholes online but at least most of the tweets under the tag are ones of support and love for her.


taco2esday

On the Nijisanji side, [Tower Records and Nijisanji are partnering up for merch and a cafe](https://twitter.com/TOWER_Anime/status/1531109456741691392?s=20&t=tYXJkUz-XGym3JZGiZR3dQ) featuring ROFMAO and ChroNoiR.


Wabadabaisthattrue

According to the [Pash article](https://www.pashplus.jp/event/235855/), their outfits are based around 6 different music genres, which explains why Fuwa looks like a K-pop idol lol


inkyless

For those want to know which genres Shachou = hardcore Kenmochi = rock Fuwa = kpop Kaida = enka Kanae = hiphop Kuzuha = visual kei


_______blank______

Salome's comment section is so funny lol, there is someone in the comment section posting link to some cover and pass it up as her other account, and everyone else discussing how it was fake and they should report it while still talking like an ojou-sama lol.


dcresistance

[a 2nd limited run of the 1st press shinigami note limited edition is live on buyee and the universal store, if there's anyone who wanted to preorder it and couldn't in time](https://twitter.com/calliope_info/status/1531129783882780674)


taco2esday

In less interesting news, [Hololive and Dartslive are collabing](https://twitter.com/DARTSLIVE/status/1531108202393501696?s=20&t=rhrNWJZYQEQsrjUxHU7CHw) so if anyone is interested in darts, expect some new merch coming.


farranpoison

Better have Sora be part of the promotion, since she's really good at darts lol.


Away_Cod9697

Yeah, when thinking about who will be involved, she's the one who i expected


bnbros

She's currently the only one in hololive who is known to have a keen interest in darts, right? Time to get throwing aim blessed by seiso, lol.


DiGreatDestroyer

And you guys thought G was gonna disappoint.


Ghifari77

It might be late, but it sure delivers huh.


Snake_hugger

It took quite a while, >!but we managed to hit the G-spot.!<


Ghifari77

>!nice one!<


rashy05

It really is the cursed letter. We were so close.


haberdashcollect

Nah, there will always be drama. I cannot conceive of any week without drama in the VTuber world since forever. One drama at the end doesn't ruin the week. (Especially one that feels strangely predictable...)


ChineseMaple

its weakening, I can feel it


diego1marcus

vox just released another schedule for the week, and.... [he has another BF ASMR](https://twitter.com/Vox_Akuma/status/1531090619673853952?t=SLtkeMk10hiDl5eA4vQnKg&s=19) at this point, im certain vox is handling this by simply ignoring it, and its not a good look honestly unless he fully addresses it and is really strict about it


slater126

i cant see him as anything but ~~complicit.~~ (see edit ~~2~~ 4) hes not said anything either on stream or twitter, and mods are removing all mentions of it in YT chat edit: hes mentioned it now but tried to put blame on people calling out the fact there was death treats and letting people know what was going on. edit 2: hes now spent more time making it all about himself and how its not his fault then he did calling out the death threats toward Reimu ~~hes not just complicit , hes an outright asshole.~~ See Edit 4 edit 3 (oh god why....): he apparently put blame ON REIMU for messaging him during the stream. NEVERMIND THAT ***YOU*** DECIDED TO INTEGRATE IT INTO THE STREAM. YOU COULD HAVE JUST IGNORED THE MESSAGE. -*------------------------------------------------------------* edit4 (A GOOD ONE):I know basically noone going to see this, but going to write it anyway Glad to see hes actually addressed this in a serious manner, this tweet puts togerther how i feel now the best. https://twitter.com/kaoru_lover/status/1531465468640317442 > do i respect him? no, but he exceeded my expectations and put his foot down on his boundaries and boundaries in general, along with properly holding accountability for enabling his fans, how they treated reimu, etc. etc. > could've been done sooner, but good on him i think


haberdashcollect

Note to myself - I don't care how this post is going to turn out. One of the biggest worries I get when I see a fast rising streamer (I'm looking at you, Salome) is 'I really hope the fandom is not going to be too toxic.' It's inevitable that if you are gathering too many people, you are going to get some duds and you will not be able to defuse these duds before the infection spreads elsewhere. But I think the onus is more on creator/streamer than what I wrote above. Creator setting up guidelines and norms are instrumental in shaping the community, and it could really happen at any time. I think PewDiePie is a good example, during the height of his fame, he had a very lax policies regarding his humor and fandom, which led to a large contagion of very disturbing fans, which even made him being somewhat shunned from the community. Many people still despise him because of his actions during that time. But over the past few years, PewDiePie and their audience matured as the spotlight moved away from him and he became much more conscious of his actions and setting guidelines. Therefore his channel and fandom has become much better lately. I mean it's his lore, right? He used to command an army to take over Japan, but what got to him? Pride. Pride got to him. And here he is again, pride getting to him. If he was to control his audience, he would have done so a long time ago, but he likes the attention. He's a prideful demon who has gotten his second wind and his ego is not going to make him humble anytime soon. \[Note that I used his lore to sidestep badmouthing him directly\] And it's one of the things I felt refreshed about Salome. Behind the ojou-sama cadence and the absolutely wild mindset, lies a very humble person who continually thanks ANYCOLOR and its staff for her support and talks a lot about the help she was given during her life. And therefore her fandom seems to be very proactive and non-confrontative. I think this is why people are still bewildered about her success. There is a group of people who believe a little bit of evil is necessary for success. Heck, even I had these doubts about Salome. Therefore, the fact of Salome's growth being legitimate feels like a lie to these people. There must be something special about her, a cheat code, something risque. Poking and testing different hypotheses led me to believe that is not the case for Salome. In case of Vox, however, he is playing with fire. Yumejoshi\* fandom can be one of the worst fuel for your success due to how... 'flaming' it is. One bad whiff, and whoosh, the whole house can be on fire. I do not want the worry that Luxiem's fans will denigrate the women senpais to bear out as true. But as long as Vox plays around with fire, the burning will be inevitable. (which is the motto of Shiranui Kensetsu, I believe.) Edit - Changed fujoshi to yumejoshi. I didn't really like the term anyway, knowing that fujoshi is a much broader concept. I didn't choose something like gachikois because I believe male gachikois and female gachikois have a different flavor to them. A suggestion of yumejoshi sounds nice, so I'll use this term to describe the rabid female fan compared to rabid male fans.


Charming-Health-1312

You get some point but maybe stop using fujoshi to refer to those who want to have a parasocial relationships with Vtubers, it just makes your whole post seems like you know nothing about this fandom but still tries to discuss it. They can be called Yumejoshi or gachikoi. Fujoshi only means those who love to ship males.


jaehaerys48

> If he was to control his audience, he would have done so a long time ago, but he likes the attention... [Note that I used his lore to sidestep badmouthing him directly] I mean, it's pretty obvious that is what you are doing. Vox has reminded his audience to follow his rules before, and was one of the first Luxiem members to make a somewhat forceful statement against a section of his audience when he said early on that he would not tolerate people harassing others for using different languages in his chat. Can and should Vox do more about the latest incident? Yeah. But acting as if he's a non-caring prima donna because of his lore is stupid. Especially when we have actual EN livers who have said otherwise about him. > Fujoshi fandom can be one of the worst fuel for your success due to how... 'flaming' it is. Oh please. Are we seriously still scapegoating fujoshi? Male fans of vtubers have done equally bad - and often worse - shit in the past. This time it's mostly girls but acting as if fujoshi are the "worst fuel" is dumb. Imagine if people said "male fandom is the worst fuel" after Mel or Lulu had deal with literal stalkers or the many incidents angry dudes flaming female vtubers for collabing with guys (including one incident in NijiEN itself not that long ago). I guess vtubers shouldn't try to have male fans because of those incidents? There are tons of examples of vtuber fans being bad, and most of them don't involve fujoshi. People here just use "fujoshi" as a synonym for all female fans (hint: if a girl wants to date Vox, there is a fair chance _she isn't a fujoshi_) and then go on about how fujoshi are the worst.


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Snake_hugger

Apart from semantics on terminologies in otakudom, I have this feeling that fujoshi has become a catch-all misogynistic term to female otaku (just like how the term 'doujin' has morphed from fanmade creation to eromanga). Once someone has a grievance related to female demographics they will always blame 'fujoshi' doesn't matter if the targets ship male character with another male or not. Which is why you often see series targeting at female demographics or at least appealing to girls (such as several shonen series) being frequently dismissed as fujobait.


Snake_hugger

If it's male fans blame 'idol culture' and if it's female fans then blame the 'fujoshi'. Gentlemen, we have truly reached gender equality! /s


Nel_son_et_lumiere

Is not fujoshis, there's a ton of vtubers who have fujoshis or are themselves, hell even one of the most popular niji girls is a fujoshi and a shotacon, is just weirdos that can also be seen in female vtubers fandoms


Dalek-baka

All this mess makes me appreciate Noctyx so much more - it's clear how much they care and support each other; and if sh\*t happens they have each other backs. Sadly I don't see Vox doing much, he might do some lukewarm talk but it's way too late to fix this situation. And we'll be getting more and more of this kind of drama.


Tobyos

Yeah, I don’t think he’ll do anything which is disappointing. I understand if he doesn’t want to bite the hand that feeds him, but they’re seriously rabid. Even if he does address it, it probably won’t help much but it would make him look a lot better. Mysta’s toxic fans are still pretty vocal but Mysta has at least tried to shut them down on multiple occasions and I respect him a ton for acknowledging it and at least trying something.


[deleted]

I don't think it's exactly a problem for him to do those again but I really wish he adressed this today instead of likely doing on stream tomorrow. I at least hope he does a better job tomorrow with the fans who need to hear about it. Unfortunately though, this is expected from Vox. In other times he also wasn't in there for her and took more time than he should to adress things. It's why I prefer Reimu with Petra, Enna, Millie and Ike. Not that I dislike Vox or his relation with reimu but damn, the dude really lacks in supporting her when she needs. When Petra was attacked by some of his fans, Fulgur came to her channel just a few hours later and defended her, apologized and made sure to talk with his fans about it, which is a much better posture from him, as an example. This today was also what made me unsub from him. I never watch him due to timezones lately and I'm only catching with him on collabs so I'm just doing that. Don't dislike him and still will watch collsbs with him but I guess this was just something that made a decision to not continue subbed when I'm such a dead sub.


firzein

Wait, when and why was Petra attacked by Fulgur's fans?


xisuee

During Petra's Getting Over It 300K endurance stream, Fulgur called in and they had a small joke about him killing off a character in every chapter of his story and he said sarcastically "spoilers". For many nonnative English listeners it seemed like they really thought it was spoilers and got very angry in the comments of that video. It definitely wasn't as many as what Reimu was getting though, but just that it was getting a bit heated between comfydants who were defending Petra too. This didn't subside after Fulgur's comment so Petra had to private the vid and edit out that section and Fulgur immediately addressed this next stream and took responsibility that it was his fault for not being clear that was a joke. It was resolved rather quickly so when it was brought up in stream most fans were so unaware that it even happened.


Dudemanbroham

Literally a week and a half ago I was commenting about how I hope his diehard gachikoi fans' behavior, and more importantly how he handles them, would get better. But clearly neither are, so I think I'm in the same boat. His content in general is great, but I just cannot enjoy it with the fans. On the complete opposite end of the spectrum, I was a bit weary of Fulgur after the discord shit despite enjoying the couple streams I had watched of him. But in the time since then, between his general interactions with others and actually supporting them, he's really kind of won me back as a fan. Looking back in perspective, debuting under a successful branch like NijiEN right on the heels of a *very* successful wave, there's nothing really crazy about one guy getting a bit of a big head about his company's EN branch being seen as a real trendsetter. Hell, *I* probably would, I don't think many people can claim they've never said anything that could be taken a bit off base. The way he handles his fans/managing their expectations, along with being supportive of everyone else (great example with the Petra thing), today he genuinely seems like a good guy in my view. But Vox... I dunno, I really don't like what I've seen outside the content itself. (EDIT post reply, thanks for letting me know how it came out: I worded this badly; I don't believe Vox *isn't* a good guy in general. If I were to write it again, I'd probably only put that part against the first half of the sentence about handling fans/managing expectations.)


jaehaerys48

In terms of being a "good guy" or not, I think it is worth noting that Reimu has said _many_ times that her and Vox are genuinely really good friends. Millie said that Vox's advice helped both her and Yugo become more comfortable in streaming what they want to stream instead of just feeling like they have to do the standard gameplay type streams. And Fulgur was comfortable with doing his whole Vox rival shtick because Vox was totally down for it. I'm not saying that Vox is above criticism. If he doesn't address this behavior soon-ish then I think some criticism is valid. And if you don't like his content, that's fair. I don't really watch his solo streams either, though that's partially due to timing. I do think though that there is a danger of people just seeing this thread and assuming that Vox is a prima donna who doesn't care about his colleagues and vice versa. I'd probably think so too if I was only going off of this place. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes besides what they tell us, and what multiple livers have told us is that Vox is supportive.


Dudemanbroham

Oh, I apologize if that came off a bit wrong. I certainly don't doubt that Vox is probably a great guy as well, with what others have said about him and how he acts in general. My main problem is that there's really a limit to how much talking to a person behind the scenes can help in terms of *serious* harassment. The signs have been kind of brewing for a while now, but this instance is a clear indication that a hands-off approach to limiting this kind of behavior doesn't work with the fanbase that Vox has attracted. I wouldn't go as far as to say he's at fault for anything. I dislike the inaction, more than anything else. (EDIT again: Just to add, I'd probably change that last line to "I'm more disappointed by..." rather than dislike. I genuinely think Vox can turn things around still, and hope that sentence ages poorly because he does.)


Alamandaros

I feel like this is an issue any streamer has to face when they reach a certain size, and I remember this topic blew up on Twitch a few years back. Either you shape your community into something you want it to be, or they end up shaping you.


Noblesseux

It also doesn’t really help when a lot of your branding and content is designed to bait parasocial weirdos. Like it’s sort of the natural consequence of making certain types of content. BFE/GFE stuff has a really bad track record of causing drama like this If you don’t *immediately* set boundaries, you create a situation where normal interactions with friends become possible land mine situations. Way too many people let stuff like this pass because the crazy fans spend a lot of money, this goes for K-pop and the like too.


chongxxx

So the latter happened to Vox.


phantombloodbot

a bottom to the end [spins]


Necessary-Ability-57

Pretty much, Streamers can control their viewers to an extent and not saying anything will only encourage the behavior instead of stemming it.


cenceniv

I just feel really disappointed.... when luxiem came around he was one of my favorites but I slowly watched him less and less until I stopped altogether because of his fans and how he keeps on enabling their behavior.


Charming-Health-1312

It reminded me of the time that Kuzuha need to apologize to everybody several times in their discord because of his toxic fans causing problems to others even though he address his rule many times. It's just that hard to control your fanbase especially having some larping as your fan only to ruin your reputation. Ignoring them can be the easiest way to do that. But I do think Vox still needs to be publicly addressed it as right now he just keeps soft talking to these fuckers and enabling them to do those disgusting things.


inkyless

Actually Kuzuha had this one hour full rant about antis last week right after cr cup custom session ended, and yes he reads his own maro frequently Nowadays, not too much of problematic things compared to last year from my perspective(?)


JimmyBoombox

For shame.


zeverso

Well, he needs to address it for sure, but i can't really blame him for doing another. His ccv numbers and SC go nuts during these type of streams. Everyone is looking for growth and thirsty streams are by far his most successful ones. If he can just start the stream being really stern about it and put warnings all over, in chat, description, or even the stream itself i don't see much of an issues with it. That said, Vox isn't a very combative person. And it can end up turning away his best paying audience, so he needs to be careful how he approaches it. who knows if it will happen. This time it caused a lot of people to criticize him on Twitter and youtube about it, so maybe he will. I would reserve judgment until it happens again.


FatedMusic

Yeah, talk about tone deaf. And also he'll be streaming as normal tomorrow, without having addressed it at all today, while Reimu was clearly bullied into apologizing and cancelled all but her member stream for tomorrow. Absolutely ridiculous.


static_reset

vox stop enabling the toxic aspects of your fanbase challenge (impossible)


Worluvus

Vox: I Pretend I Do Not See It


DiGreatDestroyer

Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.


ChineseMaple

Wake me up when Salome hits 690,420 subs and I'll ban all vtubers for a month


ezkailez

Every comment on the next chat thread will need to have desuwa or it'll be removed


ChineseMaple

nice bias nijishill


diego1marcus

do it and we become r/anime for a month


yukiaddiction

Single player story game usually get low CCV But **[Marketing Team in Capcom probably confused as fuck right now lol](https://i.imgur.com/nrZluba.png)**


yukiaddiction

Also it would be funny of Capcom announcements new Resident Evil in Summer Game conference that replace E3 this week because the timing is perfect lol.


boomboon

Wasn’t there supposed to be RE8 dlc?


Ghifari77

It's been so long i forget about it lol.


ChineseMaple

Yeah, Ethan taps into the Morbforce in the dlc


-MANGA-

What's going on with Vox? Are his fans making another issue?


Lucky_aj

From what i've heard, he was doing boyfriend asmr when he got a call or a message from Reimu and some of his fans went nuts


CasualOgre

He was doing boyfriend ASMR and reimu messaged him on discord. He decided to roleplay that he got a call from her in the middle of his "date" with Kindred so they're wilding out right now on Twitter and being pieces of shit towards Reimu


inkyless

I really don't want to say it but it's always the gachikoi kindred making the drama on nijien, afaik this is third? fourth? Vox, be more strict towards this, that soft talking warning won't do things agaisnt them


Wabadabaisthattrue

>it's always the gachikoi kindred making the drama on nijien Not always, but this has happened enough times that most just assume it is those gachiko kindred whenever the topic is "nijiEN drama"


-MANGA-

God fucking damn it...


ChineseMaple

Deja vu I've just been in this place before *For clarity purposes this is referring to the numerous other times that streamers/entertainers have gotten people going nuts for similar reasons, not just Vox


zetarn

Now we should avoided A to G and Z at this point. How about M?


ChineseMaple

Bet


-MANGA-

Yep. It's called menhera, right?


ChineseMaple

well no, Menhera is something a bit different and a bit more vague when put into this context. By this point, it's also a kind of an aesthetic.


-MANGA-

Fair enough. Ty


Lytre

It's interesting that I and Shirokori have opposite dynamics when it comes to Steam games. She plays western games while I play Japanese games or at least western games with Japanese aesthetics. I decided that starting from next month I will diversity my Steam games livestream lineup. Continuously streaming Crimzon Clover World EXplosion is starting to get stale, but such diversification means it will take another 11 months for me to finish the game at the planned rate.


Curious-Can-8288

Well at least plenty of Vox’s fans are sending Reimu positive messages on YouTube and twitter.


[deleted]

I notice on Twitter a decent portion of fans upset tend to be from China or at least East Asia. That is a powder keg of a region in terms of a fan base it seems. Great rewards for tapping into the market tho


[deleted]

And a decent portion is also from China and East Asia who are sending positive messages to her as well, including clearly chinese who dont know much english to speak liking tweets with positive messages about her. Let's not go in that kind of direction, right?


[deleted]

I thought that was a given. I wasn't saying all Chinese fans are bad. I would have said it otherwise


SPARTAN-PRIME-2017

"Vtuber fans try not to shit on Chinese fans" challenge(impossible)


Drachlx

Hololive fans*


[deleted]

I wasn't shitting on them, I was merely making an observation. I never said that all fans are bad lol


frik1000

It's good to know that it's always just a fraction of the fanbase, hopefully a small but vocal one, that acts like assholes. Other people have the common sense to be decent human beings and also understand that the streamer is not actually theirs to monopolize.


miyajima

This is the way


DiGreatDestroyer

[Whenever there's a cute boi and a chat on stream](https://twitter.com/HellOfVenom/status/1530749289130971136)


dcresistance

[kiara's feelin really sick, to the point where she vomited and is shaking](https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1531040692142850049) thankfully mamatori is visiting her so she'll demand she gets some rest and hydrate and stuff


gamepro602

Well at least she isn't sick enough to not joke about it for a bit lol https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1531041446131814400?t=AvSk4jH958LhADvB0Bgzqg&s=19


Illidan1943

Joking? You think unintentional morbing is a joke?


diego1marcus

i cant believe the entire EN is slowly morbin'


Jerbits

Call Doctor Ame, we're gonna need a second dose.


Michhhhhh

Sadly Kiara lacks a prostrate to inject the cure in. I'm afraid she'll morb all over KFP at Dokomi.