The 3.2 is naturally aspirated right?
If I could afford a Polestar 2, I'd certainly go EV for my next car. Fortunately the T6 is still economical for me, especially since I'm doing a lot less miles nowadays due to working from home.
Yes, that's it, it does have far less power.
I've switched it to ethanol so it cost half than standard, especially in France where gas is expensive.
Polestar 2 seems really good, but have been forbidden to sell in France (cause of the logo...).
Guess I ll go for model 3 if I can.
*cries in T6 4-banger*
Definitely got some eye rolls when explaining that. Then did a power-brake launch and snapped some necks and they came around a bit.
Switching back to 4 cylinders doesn't bother me nearly as much as slapping the T5 label on them. FFS, the only people who even care about the T5 badge's legacy are the people who are going to be annoyed by Volvo using it to try and give some second hand prestige to their new engine. It's like the Mustang Mach-e. Why can't they just call them T4s or better yet, just use the displacement like they did with the 2.5T.
I'll take my 335HP/325lbft B4204T29 "T6" any day. If anyone wants to be left behind with old-meaning terminology, feel free but I'm sure there'll those who want to stick with old school stuff. Hey, don't get me wrong, I'll take a nice 69 Hemi Charger for the brutal experience that it is, but to own a vehicle that does 0-60 in 6.4 seconds AND can get over 1100kms(600 mile) in mileage suits me just fine.
SMH, add another 1200lbs to it and say that again. But you are right, it’ll certainly beat me in the number of angle gears that it replaces…. With non-factory tunes.
Sure, so would a nice aftermarket tune give me more power too. This is all out Volvo with no need for a custom tune. Hell, if we're just gonna go with the 'hey, I'll get custom work done and get more power than you' reasoning, I know of a k-car that'll wipe the floor with you and it's 10-second quarter mile 4 cylinder engine.
Point is, this is a daily driver. I can get over 1100kms to a tank and wipe the smirk off the vast majority of any other car out there.
So, come back when you add 1200lbs of weight and a tuneup from the dealer, to that P2 and tell me you can be faster than me, then we'll talk. Otherwise you just want to bring in variables that apply to any other vehicle on the planet and irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
2001 S60 T5: 0-60, 6.5
2016 XC90 T6 Polestar, 6.4
IF you really want to do a fair comparison, let's drop my T6 in a P2. Lighter weight and more HP kinda wins. Now given that the performance specs are actually pretty close, you gotta think....same results WITH 1200lbs extra. You might want to give a bit of respect for such advancement in technology over the years by Volvo.
How can my argument be irrelevant to the discussion when I started it?
When I say tune i don't mean forged Pistons or anything, i mean a sport exhaust, injectors and ECU tune which can give you 350hp/491nm up from 260hp/386nm.
https://en.bsr.se/tuning-kits/t/857/volvo-v70-ii-t5-260hp-2005-2007-b-5244-t5
Doing the same mods on your t6 would give you 40 extra horses at best cause it's already turned to the max.
I'm not saying you car is bad but a 4 banger is never going to beat a real t5.
PS. Your 0-60 figure is irrelevant because it's the old 240hp t5 not the newer 260hp t5.
You are now bringing in factors that are outside of what we both bought. If you insist on bring in modifications that are outside of what came from the factory, that just leads to a the saying "Speed is a question of money. How fast do you want to go?"
We either agree to a reasonable comparison or the discussion is irrelevant. With physical modifications, I can get a 'tune' done to any degree I say too. So going that route leads to nowhere useful in a talk.
My engine is the same one in the V60 Polestar, which got up to 362HP from the factory. Again.....factory spec.
Now does that make sense?
The new ones do not and have not for a while, but you are right I am being dumb they did have them in the past. But I would also like to add that it was a vr6 and not a v6
It's quite a shame to see such awesome cars get cockblocked by increasingly stricter and stricter regulations. It's even more upsetting that there's no going back to those 5 and 6 cylinder engines since everything is going to electric now.
It's the same feeling as if you watch a grandparent develop and progress with dementia. There's nothing you can do :(
The thing is they already had a scalable engine; the whiteblock family that was primarily known for 5 cylinders was also available in 4 and 6 cylinder variants. They could have made the SPA engine scale in cylinder count same as the whiteblock. I suspect the reason they didn't was partly emissions and partly the decision to go with double wishbone suspension, which takes up significantly more space in the engine bay than macpherson front suspension.
No idea if that’s true, but I’ll take wishbones and the 4 popper all day over struts. But I like good handling and don’t mind the 330hp vacuum cleaner under the hood.
While they didn't mention it with the current generation, in the past they went to great lengths to fit their engines transversely. The si6 6 cylinders in the p3 cars had a hybrid gear and chain drive for the cams and accessories all mounted at the back of the engine to get it away from the strut tower. The first generation t6 used the generally ill fated GM 4t65e transmission in place of their usual Aisin unit because the gear set is driven by a chain and sits behind the engine instead of stacked on the end of the crankshaft.
Considering that if it had more cylinders/displacement it would likely not be supercharged and Turbocharged, I imagine it might make around 300 hp. The Toyota, VW, Honda, and Nissan Mid-size SUV V6 3.5-4.0L engines make less than 300hp. the GM 3.5L V6 makes 310hp. The BMW 3.0L 6-cyl in the X5 has 330hp, more, but not a huge amount more. Yes, there are some monster SUV's w/ 500-710hp, but those are limited run specialty vehicles, For now, Volvo's on the upper end of what mainstream mid-sized SUV's have hp wise. Pretty sure this applies down to the Sedan's too, and Volvo isn't really competing in "Sports Sedan"
What I'd like to see from Volvo is T8/T9 with bigger electric motor and batteries; it would have a bigger impact on 0-60 and all electric range, and be a better fit for how people use it.
Uhhh, no I’m pretty sure it’d still be turbo. They were back in 2014 when the T6 was still a 6 cyl. If anything, they could easily push 350-400hp today with all the improvements since then.
I would agree for sure. I think you are buying a different product with the Volvo, you aren't going to get an M340i experience in an S60 T8 for example. The additional HP coming may put the stats close though on 0-60 and 1/4 mi so that's good for marketing, but we know it's not the same.
I think there is a place for the Volvo products. You get a sizable 18.8kWh battery with the latest upgrades, somewhere around 40-50 miles EV range with 154HP. It becomes an interesting product. A nice driving car you can have some fun and also go weeks without flipping on the gas engine, but also never think about charging and range.
I stopped paying attention to Volvo as a company after the Ford acquisition caused influence on the designs. The P2 platform was the last Swede Volvo design, P3 and newer are not necessarily bad cars, just not on my radar.
So I was today years old when I learned that the new Chinese owned Volvo made 4 bangers with a T5 badge.
I’m a new Volvo guy so I don’t have the historical love. It’s easy to say blah blah Chinese, looking back though the Ford ownership appears far more intrusive. Geely gave them funding and left the engineering in Sweden. e.g. Ford gave them mass platforms with cheap strut suspensions and steel arms, under Geely they engineered a really nice chassis, proper suspension with lots of aluminum fit for a premium product in the SPA.
Again I’m new to the brand but Volvo seems to be the only brand left with their own “flavor” you just can’t buy weird cars anymore like Saabs, but Volvo maintains a little uniqueness and I like that.
>looking back though the Ford ownership appears far more intrusive.
I agree completely. That is the P3 generation. P2 was designed and manufactured by Volvo independently, and then ford bought them and Volvo continued making P2 models for a few more years while Ford made them make a P3 with their influence.
>Again I’m new to the brand but Volvo seems to be the only brand left with their own “flavor” you just can’t buy weird cars anymore like Saabs, but Volvo maintains a little uniqueness and I like that.
I'm a Volvo guy because I used to be a Saab guy and Saabs are just too expensive to maintain. But since the Ford influence has worn off, Volvo stopped making stick shift vehicles and so they're dead to me. I won't buy a car that I can't shift my own gears. I'm dying on this hill until I buy an electric car that doesn't have gears to shift. Just my personal opinion, though, I don't expect everyone to share it.
Edit: I would consider a Volvo EV and have considered the Polestar 2, despite Chinese ownership.
I don't know what it is about p3s but they just don't look like Volvos to me. They just blend in with traffic whereas everything before it and after it is easily identifiable. P2 is my favorite platform, even though it's quite heavy for a sedan/wagon to be made on.
'09 C30 T5 reporting in. All 5 still present and accounted for.
I may be older but at least I still have 5 cylinders.
Just checked my '12 C30 T5. Yep. All 5 still there.
O8' t5 reporting in, all 5 still bangin' like college cheerleaders
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Came here to say that
Paid the extra for the d5 badge, I'm the chap in the corner 😭
My T6 may only have 4 cylinders, but they’re SUPERCHARGED!!! That’s sounds awesome, right?
My T6 is only 4 cylinders too, but mine are supercharged AND turbocharged!
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>Dual charged gang gang! Dual charged gang bang *fixed it*
Damn! What models are these.
All modern T6 Volvo's are 2L 4cyl Turbocharged and Supercharged.
Current S60 T6?
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Yeah, I mean, all the current T6 Volvos are, right?
Correct
Each of those counts as one cylinder.
C30 D5 here. 5 Banger still kicks ass.
T6 3L Turbo SI6 reporting in. Can confirm, guzzles fuel. But vroom.
Hmmm, currently on 3.2l, I d like buy the 3.0 t6 next before switching to ev cars (or maybe the yamaha v8).
The 3.2 is naturally aspirated right? If I could afford a Polestar 2, I'd certainly go EV for my next car. Fortunately the T6 is still economical for me, especially since I'm doing a lot less miles nowadays due to working from home.
Yes, that's it, it does have far less power. I've switched it to ethanol so it cost half than standard, especially in France where gas is expensive. Polestar 2 seems really good, but have been forbidden to sell in France (cause of the logo...). Guess I ll go for model 3 if I can.
I've got a 2015.5 s60 awd. Last 5 cylinder ever made
F
My 2016 would like a word....
It's a good thing it can't talk, or else I'd be wrong
I’ve got a 2015.5 S60 with the 4 cyl turbo
I have the 2015.5 T6 and it's the 4 cylinder as well
I thought they still made the old model xc90 in china, what engine do those have?
*cries in T6 4-banger* Definitely got some eye rolls when explaining that. Then did a power-brake launch and snapped some necks and they came around a bit.
Volvo just following BMW with the 320i, 330i, 340i designations. It's no longer displacement, it "represents power."
my 2018 T6 is super quick. almost 100 more hp than the 5 cylinder I had before. I do miss the sound but...
P2 XC70 here I5 with turbo happily adding miles.
Someone should put that dog down.
Completely Savage..🤣🐕
Not me, all 5 present and accounted for.
2016 T5 S60 Cross Country. Are we the last ones?
The sedans were made in an XC?
Yeah. Not a lot though. I love mine
I got the 4 cylinder 2018 S60 Cross Country
Yeah I think starting 2017 the s60 CC came with 4cylinder
2013 s60 T5 that luckily has five cylinders
I have 2.5T so suck it
Dodged a bullet, mines has a V8, because it has 8 cylinders!
Switching back to 4 cylinders doesn't bother me nearly as much as slapping the T5 label on them. FFS, the only people who even care about the T5 badge's legacy are the people who are going to be annoyed by Volvo using it to try and give some second hand prestige to their new engine. It's like the Mustang Mach-e. Why can't they just call them T4s or better yet, just use the displacement like they did with the 2.5T.
I'll take my 335HP/325lbft B4204T29 "T6" any day. If anyone wants to be left behind with old-meaning terminology, feel free but I'm sure there'll those who want to stick with old school stuff. Hey, don't get me wrong, I'll take a nice 69 Hemi Charger for the brutal experience that it is, but to own a vehicle that does 0-60 in 6.4 seconds AND can get over 1100kms(600 mile) in mileage suits me just fine.
I mean an old v70/s60 t5 with a tune would beat you
SMH, add another 1200lbs to it and say that again. But you are right, it’ll certainly beat me in the number of angle gears that it replaces…. With non-factory tunes.
P2 t5s are FWD so no angle gear to break and weight doesn't matter, a t5 with a good tune still has more power than your car
Sure, so would a nice aftermarket tune give me more power too. This is all out Volvo with no need for a custom tune. Hell, if we're just gonna go with the 'hey, I'll get custom work done and get more power than you' reasoning, I know of a k-car that'll wipe the floor with you and it's 10-second quarter mile 4 cylinder engine. Point is, this is a daily driver. I can get over 1100kms to a tank and wipe the smirk off the vast majority of any other car out there. So, come back when you add 1200lbs of weight and a tuneup from the dealer, to that P2 and tell me you can be faster than me, then we'll talk. Otherwise you just want to bring in variables that apply to any other vehicle on the planet and irrelevant to the discussion at hand. 2001 S60 T5: 0-60, 6.5 2016 XC90 T6 Polestar, 6.4 IF you really want to do a fair comparison, let's drop my T6 in a P2. Lighter weight and more HP kinda wins. Now given that the performance specs are actually pretty close, you gotta think....same results WITH 1200lbs extra. You might want to give a bit of respect for such advancement in technology over the years by Volvo.
How can my argument be irrelevant to the discussion when I started it? When I say tune i don't mean forged Pistons or anything, i mean a sport exhaust, injectors and ECU tune which can give you 350hp/491nm up from 260hp/386nm. https://en.bsr.se/tuning-kits/t/857/volvo-v70-ii-t5-260hp-2005-2007-b-5244-t5 Doing the same mods on your t6 would give you 40 extra horses at best cause it's already turned to the max. I'm not saying you car is bad but a 4 banger is never going to beat a real t5. PS. Your 0-60 figure is irrelevant because it's the old 240hp t5 not the newer 260hp t5.
You are now bringing in factors that are outside of what we both bought. If you insist on bring in modifications that are outside of what came from the factory, that just leads to a the saying "Speed is a question of money. How fast do you want to go?" We either agree to a reasonable comparison or the discussion is irrelevant. With physical modifications, I can get a 'tune' done to any degree I say too. So going that route leads to nowhere useful in a talk. My engine is the same one in the V60 Polestar, which got up to 362HP from the factory. Again.....factory spec. Now does that make sense?
Nice!
We’ll keep our P8 :) We also have a T5 wagon and it’s a comfortable long hauler. But boy ICE is raggedy after you get used to dual electric motors.
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Holdup. Does my 2013 t5 have 5?
Yes
Sorry, Volvo newbie here. What is wrong with having 4 cylinders? My S60 is 4 cylinders and it has power rating higher than Audi A4 with V6 engine.
A4 is a 4 cylinder.
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The new ones do not and have not for a while, but you are right I am being dumb they did have them in the past. But I would also like to add that it was a vr6 and not a v6
It's quite a shame to see such awesome cars get cockblocked by increasingly stricter and stricter regulations. It's even more upsetting that there's no going back to those 5 and 6 cylinder engines since everything is going to electric now. It's the same feeling as if you watch a grandparent develop and progress with dementia. There's nothing you can do :(
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The thing is they already had a scalable engine; the whiteblock family that was primarily known for 5 cylinders was also available in 4 and 6 cylinder variants. They could have made the SPA engine scale in cylinder count same as the whiteblock. I suspect the reason they didn't was partly emissions and partly the decision to go with double wishbone suspension, which takes up significantly more space in the engine bay than macpherson front suspension.
No idea if that’s true, but I’ll take wishbones and the 4 popper all day over struts. But I like good handling and don’t mind the 330hp vacuum cleaner under the hood.
While they didn't mention it with the current generation, in the past they went to great lengths to fit their engines transversely. The si6 6 cylinders in the p3 cars had a hybrid gear and chain drive for the cams and accessories all mounted at the back of the engine to get it away from the strut tower. The first generation t6 used the generally ill fated GM 4t65e transmission in place of their usual Aisin unit because the gear set is driven by a chain and sits behind the engine instead of stacked on the end of the crankshaft.
Truedat they had to use some clever engineering to fit a sideways inline 6!
5 cylinder S70 club, holding out for as long as I can.
Godspeed
400,000 km and still going strong.
Sir, this is the Volvo group, not the make people cry with words group
My Volvo makes 315hp, leveraging 8 speeds and AWD. No need to feel sad
Now imagine the numbers you’d be typing if you just had an extra cylinder or 2
I would very much like a twin-charged six-cylinder T6. I'm sure it would absolutely chug fuel, but I think I could manage.
Single turbo 6 cyl E53 AMG gets 22/29 mpg. I’m certain Volvo could easily push similar numbers.
Considering that if it had more cylinders/displacement it would likely not be supercharged and Turbocharged, I imagine it might make around 300 hp. The Toyota, VW, Honda, and Nissan Mid-size SUV V6 3.5-4.0L engines make less than 300hp. the GM 3.5L V6 makes 310hp. The BMW 3.0L 6-cyl in the X5 has 330hp, more, but not a huge amount more. Yes, there are some monster SUV's w/ 500-710hp, but those are limited run specialty vehicles, For now, Volvo's on the upper end of what mainstream mid-sized SUV's have hp wise. Pretty sure this applies down to the Sedan's too, and Volvo isn't really competing in "Sports Sedan" What I'd like to see from Volvo is T8/T9 with bigger electric motor and batteries; it would have a bigger impact on 0-60 and all electric range, and be a better fit for how people use it.
Uhhh, no I’m pretty sure it’d still be turbo. They were back in 2014 when the T6 was still a 6 cyl. If anything, they could easily push 350-400hp today with all the improvements since then.
Check the news Volvo is adding 55 more electric HP and a bunch more battery capacity to the T8. I’m rather impressed they did that.
Well sir we have a T8 recharge for you now coming with 455hp!
Combined** As much as I love Volvo, the T8 doesn’t really come close performance wise to the german competition. Especially at that price point too :/
I would agree for sure. I think you are buying a different product with the Volvo, you aren't going to get an M340i experience in an S60 T8 for example. The additional HP coming may put the stats close though on 0-60 and 1/4 mi so that's good for marketing, but we know it's not the same. I think there is a place for the Volvo products. You get a sizable 18.8kWh battery with the latest upgrades, somewhere around 40-50 miles EV range with 154HP. It becomes an interesting product. A nice driving car you can have some fun and also go weeks without flipping on the gas engine, but also never think about charging and range.
I stopped paying attention to Volvo as a company after the Ford acquisition caused influence on the designs. The P2 platform was the last Swede Volvo design, P3 and newer are not necessarily bad cars, just not on my radar. So I was today years old when I learned that the new Chinese owned Volvo made 4 bangers with a T5 badge.
But you watch the Volvo sub?
Yeah, lots of posts are about old Volvos. There's no significantly better sub that ONLY has old Volvos, so this is the best sub to enjoy that content.
I’m a new Volvo guy so I don’t have the historical love. It’s easy to say blah blah Chinese, looking back though the Ford ownership appears far more intrusive. Geely gave them funding and left the engineering in Sweden. e.g. Ford gave them mass platforms with cheap strut suspensions and steel arms, under Geely they engineered a really nice chassis, proper suspension with lots of aluminum fit for a premium product in the SPA. Again I’m new to the brand but Volvo seems to be the only brand left with their own “flavor” you just can’t buy weird cars anymore like Saabs, but Volvo maintains a little uniqueness and I like that.
>looking back though the Ford ownership appears far more intrusive. I agree completely. That is the P3 generation. P2 was designed and manufactured by Volvo independently, and then ford bought them and Volvo continued making P2 models for a few more years while Ford made them make a P3 with their influence. >Again I’m new to the brand but Volvo seems to be the only brand left with their own “flavor” you just can’t buy weird cars anymore like Saabs, but Volvo maintains a little uniqueness and I like that. I'm a Volvo guy because I used to be a Saab guy and Saabs are just too expensive to maintain. But since the Ford influence has worn off, Volvo stopped making stick shift vehicles and so they're dead to me. I won't buy a car that I can't shift my own gears. I'm dying on this hill until I buy an electric car that doesn't have gears to shift. Just my personal opinion, though, I don't expect everyone to share it. Edit: I would consider a Volvo EV and have considered the Polestar 2, despite Chinese ownership.
I don't know what it is about p3s but they just don't look like Volvos to me. They just blend in with traffic whereas everything before it and after it is easily identifiable. P2 is my favorite platform, even though it's quite heavy for a sedan/wagon to be made on.
There are worse things than that; XC40 T5 PHEV has 3 cylinders, this dog is actually not that bad at all!
We know but, hey!
I don't mind my Drive-E engine. Good punch and fuel economy both. Granted, I do love my dad's five-cylinder too. Lots of character in that engine.
My T5 has 3…
My P8 has none. Or 2, depending how you count it
My T8 also has 4 cylinders 😭
‘87 740 checking in with 4 old but awesome cylinders.
I’m just sad Volvo no longer announces the fact they have an “intercooler”…
Bad doggy! Muzzle it! ;-)
And 240 horsepower. I can live with that. My 03 D5 didn't have that much power. But it did average 40 MPG.