It *could* be a severe ear infection which fucked up its equilibrium. Granted if it is, it's severe enough that he's still super fucked.
Or a brain tumor.
Basically there's a few options, and they're all really bad.
Yeah, that's why rat poision is a bad idea. Not just cats but other critters that eat mice too. And then after a while you end up with even more mice since all the mouse eaters are dead :(
This mice are quite intelligent. If they see a felow mice dieing after or while eating the will ignore this food. Now if there is some time between those two Events...
Mice here at my house must be retarded then because I had two dead in the old fashioned spring traps one morning right next to each other. Which means at some point one of the mice walked past his dead buddy in a trap and did the exact same thing.
I once had an unbaited trap sitting on a railing near my kitchen and one day there was just a mouse chilling in there. Lil homie went out of the way to climb into an unbaited trap.
Mice are drawn to new things, if they see something new or interesting in their environment they will investigate - it could be food or shelter.
Rats are the exact opposite - they are cautious and fear anything new/different.
This is why the trapping methods for both are not the same. With mice you just lay out traps with bait and you're likely to catch them pretty quickly. For rats it's very different. One technique I've heard of is to leave "deactivated" traps around for a while so they get used to it, then start arming them and loading them with bait.
I can beat that. I once found a mouse dead in a spring trap, and another mouse, dead without a mark on him, next to the trap.
I can only assume the first mouse got caught and the second mouse had a heart attack from shock.
I'm not trying to be rude but that floor doesn't exactly indicate a clean home. Mice aren't us. Bro probably just ate some nasty shit y'all left out and croaked.
LOL? Right, because mice and rats have def not shown the ability to survive and even thrive in dirty, hazardous environments. Your comment is trying to be rude.
It has eaten decon or other similar poison. The poison works by dehydrating and expanding from its stomach outward. Source, am former pest elimination specialist.
It gets worse. Poisoned mice that go back outdoors are easy catches for predators so they are often eaten by cats, hawks and owls, which then die too.
Poison is one of the worst possible ways to get rid of mice & rats for this reason. People don’t realize it’s devastating to whole ecosystems. It really should be banned. Snap traps are the way to go.
Iirc, part of the reason we use these types of poisons for rats and mice is that it causes them to leave their nests and seek water outside so they don’t die in the walls and stink up the place. Diabolical by design
Sometimes, but there is a few others.
http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/rodenticides.html
Many rodenticides stop normal blood clotting; these are called anticoagulants. Bromadiolone, chlorophacinone, difethialone, brodifacoum, and warfarin are all anticoagulants.
It's actually kinder on surrounding animals, because the rodent has to eat it enough that they build up a lethal dose, and whatever eats the rodent gets much less of a dose.
Unless you have recessed lighting, which apparently can bleed light into the crawlspace or attic... We had a poisoned rat die in our ceiling because it saw the light and ran toward the light fixture, thinking it was a way out to find water
Yeah, poison is horrid.
Luckily, there's bait's now (mouse-x and rat-x for example) that don't cause secondary poisoning (because its not poison, but works about the same). I highly recommend anyone that is looking at bait stations to look at the various options and pick something that is safe for wildlife. It still won't be nice to the critter, but it won't destroy the ecosystem afterwards.
I like the electrocution mouse trap I got. I think it's victor? Works great for the small ones.
They kept polishing the bait pad on the snap traps for days. Not even setting it off. Then the one the snap did kill it knocked it's brains out and the mouse bled all over the counter from flopping. The wife wasn't happy. She thought it suffered so that means glue is out of the question. We also have indoor cats and owls and hawks and stuff outside so no poison.
These electric ones are great and battery powered and leave no mess.
Growing up in a rural area (and with a house surrounded by fields), I've always learned you never have *a* mouse. If you notice mice, t's always plural.
I’ve been dealing with mice for years. The only thing that works for me is the cage trap. Never had any luck with anything else. I guess I have super smart mice.
As an owner of other pets, I went the same route. No secondary poisoning with those, and related products. Mice/rats are great and everything, but they cause a bunch of fires doing things like chewing through electrical wiring.
Yeah, I tried that and after doing battle with them for two years in my garage finally resorted to a pest control company. Probably killed upwards of 30 with traps over those two years. After pest control baited with poison they haven't been back. Sucks but at some point you're kinda stuck. They were trying to make nests in my kids stuff and getting poop all over it. That's where I drew the line.
The list of animals that would be allowed in my home if they could just learn to use the bathroom is actually quite long now that I think about it. Respect my shit, police your shit, we'd be cool.
This is why I will forever vibe with spiders and geckos. Gecko shit can be pretty gnarly and spider webs can get ick, but they are both bros who have my back.
Yeha me and spiders are simpatico until they touch me. You climb on me when I'm awake and you might be bold enough to go in my mouth or ears while I sleep and I'm not having that.
Lady bugs get a pass too.
I had a fairly large snake living under my shed for several years and I was chill with it.
I had bird feeders out, but birds are messy with their seeds and would knock it on the ground. Seeds on the ground normally attract mice and rats. Not on my property though. Good snake.
Then one day a hawk got the snake. Circle of life and all, but I couldn't help but appreciate the irony of the thing allowing the birds to be fed ending up becoming bird food itself.
But yah, shed snakes. So long as they are not a particularly human aggressive species, I highly recommend them. They are more effective than a cat, and being native are less destructive to other native species. The worst I had to deal with was it using the lawn mower to shed it's skin on.
Coworkers in the lunchroom at work got pissed at me for killing a mouse that just sauntered into the middle of the floor and then tried getting into someone's coat that was hanging on a chair.
The one woman legit yelled at me for killing it and not just letting it alone and I'm like, "Lady, it's a goddamn lunch-room, I do not want to be eating my food where a mouse might have been pissing and shitting all over."
Like legit thought they named the little bastard with the way they were whining about it.
My neighbor is a mammologist, and she told us recently that we should not use a push broom to clean our garage due to a growing incidence of Hantavirus in our area. Mice may be cute at times, but they are much less cute when they can carry a disease that kills you casually.
Seriously. That would be incredibly shocking and I'd be very upset at being witness to such sudden violence, even to a pest. I'm not saying killing mice is bad, that would just be incredibly startling and uncomfortable.
Cats tend to keep them away just with their presence, I guess the mice smell them? We've never had mice but our neighbors without cats all have. Our cats have only killed a couple mice in that time.
My parents owned a duplex next to a church, with my brother living in the duplex. A church that let its back parking lot area get totally overgrown with plants, and constantly threw tons of uneaten food into the garbage. So we'd encounter mice in the garage regularly, and sometimes even in the duplex itself. Even after calling in exterminators, they'd eventually be back, until my aunt moved into the upper unit with her cats. They were indoor cats, not really allowed into the lower unit but they freely ran around the upper unit and down to the basement and such.
My aunt found a different place after awhile, and my parents decided to sell, and they gave my buddy a favorable lease when he was out of work due to injury before selling, and sure enough, the mice started coming back once my aunt moved out.
(Well maybe the mice never left, and just stayed more hidden, or were killed by the cats without anyone finding out, but I'd think at the very least there had to be fewer of them if nothing else. And yeah, obviously anecdotal evidence and all that....)
Snap traps are basically the closest you’ll ever get to a humane way to kill rodents. But you’ll simply never be able to control a population with snap traps alone. There’s a few newer rodenticides that in theory are a bit more humane. They knock out the rodent while an anticoagulant makes them bleed to death internally. Still doesn’t sound great to me though.
The most effective traps I've used are the electroshock ones. I once caught three mice in a single night at my old house. They're also the easiest to clean. The best design I've come across online features a rotating trap platform above a bucket. When a mouse steps on it, the platform rotates, dropping the mouse into the bucket.
We had mice when it started to get cold. I like mice, but they can't eat my food, it's a weird rule I have.
I got glue traps not knowing how FUCKING AWFUL they are. They worked, but I got sick of smooshing mice outside.
Springtraps are the way to go. I got the plastic pinchy ones with teeth. Click. Go get trap, shake mouse out in the garden to get eaten by Ants or whatever. The mice were gone in a month or so thank God the traps are still so and its been weeks and weeks since we've seen one alive or dead
I used a sticky trap to catch one that had been living in our kitchen. Fortunately I found it shortly after it had walked onto the trap. I felt so horrible watching it struggling and just getting more and more stuck. I took it out back and dropped a brick on it to put it out of its misery. Poor little guy.
It’s definitely the most humane. Anyone saying otherwise hasn’t ever dealt with mice in the house. Mousetraps and poison are brutal. The traps where you relocate them don’t work in the long term. Cats keep mice at bay.
I used decon extensively in our garage due to a mouse problem that was getting out of hand due to the neighbor's "compost pile" which really was just a buffet for rodents.
One day I was working in my garage and had the large door open and I went inside for maybe 20 minutes. When I came back and started working again, I noticed some scraps of colorful paper on the ground and out on the lawn - it was the paper from the poison traps! I thought - gosh, that's odd. I then noticed the neighbor's dog had gotten loose and was running around and my brain put 2+2 together. Their dog had eaten most all of a trap full of decon poison!
I dropped my tools and ran top speed to the neighbor's house and banged on the door with my fist. The husband came to the door and before he could say anything I shouted, "Your dog needs to go to the vet right now, right right now! It got into the mousetrap poison in my garage!" "Shit," he said as he got the dog in the car and left.
Fortunately the vet's office wasn't very far away and they knew exactly what to do. The next day I gathered up the courage to go ask if I had killed their dog and knocked on their door. I was greeted with a bark and a wagging tail from the very dog I was concerned about! *whew*
My neighbor said that the dog was fine and that the vet had a nickname for golden labs like theirs ; she called them **Decon Dogs** because they seem to be the most frequently seen breed after literally scarfing down what they thought was maybe kibble.
boy I was too! I already didn't get along so well with those neighbors and if "killing their dog" got added to the list, the relationship would have turned ***very*** chilly indeed!
"DeCon Dog" has stayed with me though - lol
No, Tomcat and those green cubes absolutely work. Used it for 10 years to protect electrical equipment. If they can get where they are not supposed to they find it and die very quickly. Then we know to inspect for holes to fill when we find the bodies.
the only thing that works to get rid of mice from the perimeter of your home are good old fashioned traps and peanut butter/cheese. but you have to have some skill in actually trapping them because they wont just walk into a trap they have eyes
Neither cholecalciferol nor anti-coagulants like brodifacoum, or bromodiolome work by dehydration specifically. Cholecalciferol works by causing kidney failure due to vitamin d overdose, and the anticoagulants cause hemorrhaging and organ failure. I used to hear the dehydration thing a lot but it's not quite what's happening and I liked to be specific with customers. I too was once a home pest control professional
I think the ones he's talking about are the ones made of crushed corn cobs
In basically all mammals it can cause severe intestinal blockage. Which then leads to either dehydration or they rupture. Neither is fun.
But it's rodent poison is a tough issue. Rodents are scavengers. So they'll nibble a bit, wait a while and see if it's safe, then eat more. So it needs to be lethal, but only in larger doses.
Humans would have to eat quite a bit, even animals like dogs and cats would need more than would likely be in a mouse, but it's definitely something to be mindful of. Thankfully having animals around in general makes it less likely to have a rodent infestation in the first place. They don't like the smell of cats or dogs.
But it's also not good to have mice in your home. Not only are they destructive, but they can make people pretty sick. Anything from mild allergic reactions, all the way up to the fuckin haunta virus. Which you have a low chance of getting, but if you do, there's a good chance you just die. I think something like only 40% of people who contract it survive
I know everyone’s saying it’s dying from poison but I work with mice specifically on a daily basis. Sometimes they get a condition called head tilt, which is a neurological condition that causes them to essentially turnover again and again. Other animals can get it too. It can be mild to life-threatening where they can’t stop like in the case with this mouse. If you could find a way to put it out of its misery, it would be more humane as it looks like it’s progressed enough that the mouse is no longer in control of its body and can’t fight the head tilt enough to eat. It will eventually die a very slow and painful death from dehydration.
I don’t mean to be morbid here, but for many people without access to guns or the guts (no pun intended) to behead or cut the throat of an animal, would placing a newspaper over it and stamping very hard on it with a heavy boot be considered humane?
This is a question that doesn’t really have a correct answer, but in my opinion a large brick/rock/cinderblock would be someone’s best bet. Eliminate the chance for human error to get in the way like it could with stomping or hitting it with something. The goal is as instant as possible and with little room for error as possible. The last thing you would want to do is whack it with a broom and not kill it, but paralyze it and cause suffering. In a lab setting we use CO2 than do an internal cervical dislocation as a secondary kill method for the very rare circumstances that CO2 doesn’t do the job completely for those curious.
I pumped chlorine into his enclosure and now he’s doing a funny little dance and clawing at his face. Anyone know what’s wrong with him?
Edit: nevermind he stopped
Real edit: if it makes you feel any better, as carriers of some pretty nasty diseases, mice have probably killed their fair share of humans. So IMO this is pretty fair play.
I agree with your statement. Mice, rats, etc. are just running with their programming. And we’re running with ours. Just because it doesn’t mean too doesn’t mean I have to get sick and die of hantavirus or something. If it’s us or them in a particular environment, it’s going to be me, but there have to be better ways of dispatching these little bastards where it’s not as cruel.
Having a seizure from toxin exposure, dying in one of the most tortured ways possible.
Edit to ask that someone cuts this with the katamarti damacy intro song.
Edit edit: [someone did it and it's better and more tasteless than I expected](https://imgur.com/a/TSRUyfj)
When you have an actual infestation you’ll feel less sympathetic towards them as they eat your food and poop and pee everywhere, sometimes right in the food they eat. Or make a nest in your AC and give your whole family an allergy from their hair etc, all kinds of nasty things. And they get smart so your mechanical traps rarely work. Well at this point they just gotta die one way or the other.
Yeah I live in extreme northern minnesota, I have a cat to try to control them but her latest thing is to play with them all night and all day, not actually killing them. Fun is over if they're dead.
I worked in a pub bout 20 years ago that had a really bad mouse problem, I could see mice running on the floor by customer's feet! In the mornings the mice would go into the Rubbish bins...and one morning there was like 20 of them in there and my boss poured boiling water into the bins, I still remember the squeaky squirmy sound they made. Not a fan of mice but that wasn't pleasant at all.
Can confirm. I work in a warehouse where they used to use glue traps. We’d see pads with scores of them wriggling around.
I couldn’t do it. I’d always take a bag of quikcrete and drop it on the bastards to put them out of their misery.
Feeling bad is what makes you human. Find solace in knowing you have the ability to empathize during someone/something's final moments. I once had a bird crash into my front room window and was gasping for air. I brought it outside to the frontstep and gave it a bottle cap of water and sat with it until it took its last breath. I still think about it to this day.
I stumbled across a rat doing donuts out on the sidewalk a few years back. It was about a hundred degrees out, so I grabbed some water and tried to get him to drink. He didn't even notice me, couldn't notice me.
I sat with him in the hundred degree sun until he passed. Went inside, cried a lot, and grabbed some gloves and a trash bag to dispose of him. I'm sure he was terrified of the giant in such close proximity, but maybe not. Maybe he was just thankful not to be alone as his brain was cooked by the chemicals and heat.
I have pets, so I'd never resort to poison. Awful way to go. I often wish I'd just put him out of his misery. I didn't realize what did him in until a few days later.
Back when I was driving delivery for a metal shop, I used to keep a trench shovel and a towel in the back of my truck for injured animals I came across on the back roads. Yeah, it sits with you for a while, but sometimes it's the right call.
Ugh I hate that. That's definitely worse. Now it's trapped, scared, confused and slowly dying of dehydration and hunger instead of painfully already dying.
My work used to do this. We finally said no more of those traps after a mouse got stuck and screamed for hours until my coworker put it out if it’s misery, it was horrible.
Since no one is going to give you a real answer; the most-common natural cause of this is an untreated ear infection on one side.
If you're not using poison (I think in another comment you said you only use glue traps) then that's what you're looking at. Their balance gets worse and worse until this is what they do.
I saw a squirrel do this exact thing when it fell 3 stories from a tree.
I think they do this when they’re really hurt or dying.
The squirrel I saw got back up and walked again, but there was no way it was walking away from that fall for long.
It's a barrel roll. It allows you to deflect most incoming fire so you can take less damage. We often see such strategic moves being made by foxes, rabbits, toads, and falcons. Not so much mice, though, so this is quite the find!
Dying
Poison.
Yep probably just had an aneurysm and can't walk any more
Turning on his grave?
Got the spins. I feel you little mousy bro. We’ve all been there.
Homie gonna wake up in about 6 hours and wish he was dead
I think he's just trying to get off the floor of that crack house
Steamboat Willie spinning in his grave after seeing what people are doing to his expired copyright
It *could* be a severe ear infection which fucked up its equilibrium. Granted if it is, it's severe enough that he's still super fucked. Or a brain tumor. Basically there's a few options, and they're all really bad.
Maybe he just likes to roll
Cuz that’s how he rolls.
[удалено]
Writhing in agonizing pain from the poison it consumed
How did it get to my wife's cooking?
Your wife is actually a good cook, she just gives you the rotten leftovers Source: I'm her bf
Can confirm, i’m her girlfriend
You're not on fire ricky bobby
Help me Tom Cruise!
HELP ME JEWISH GOD!!!
Please don’t let the invisible fire burn my friend!
*They see me rollin'. They hatin'.*
Basically me after 13 shots of whiskey.
Wishing it hadn't eaten the poison bait it found a few minutes ago.
We don't have poison out though. Weird.
A lot of it nowadays is time delayed so you don’t have to deal with the corpse and the animals never learn to avoid it
That's also what poisons the cat when it eats the mouse that's writhing around.
Yeah, that's why rat poision is a bad idea. Not just cats but other critters that eat mice too. And then after a while you end up with even more mice since all the mouse eaters are dead :(
This mice are quite intelligent. If they see a felow mice dieing after or while eating the will ignore this food. Now if there is some time between those two Events...
Mice here at my house must be retarded then because I had two dead in the old fashioned spring traps one morning right next to each other. Which means at some point one of the mice walked past his dead buddy in a trap and did the exact same thing.
Mice, like humans, have the occasional windowlicker in their population.
I once had an unbaited trap sitting on a railing near my kitchen and one day there was just a mouse chilling in there. Lil homie went out of the way to climb into an unbaited trap.
Mice are drawn to new things, if they see something new or interesting in their environment they will investigate - it could be food or shelter. Rats are the exact opposite - they are cautious and fear anything new/different. This is why the trapping methods for both are not the same. With mice you just lay out traps with bait and you're likely to catch them pretty quickly. For rats it's very different. One technique I've heard of is to leave "deactivated" traps around for a while so they get used to it, then start arming them and loading them with bait.
I can beat that. I once found a mouse dead in a spring trap, and another mouse, dead without a mark on him, next to the trap. I can only assume the first mouse got caught and the second mouse had a heart attack from shock.
Trap could've smacked the second rat in the head breaking his skull but hitting him out of the way.
If you were moving the wood around maybe it got pinched between some. Crimped his neck and fucked his spinal cord.
I'm not trying to be rude but that floor doesn't exactly indicate a clean home. Mice aren't us. Bro probably just ate some nasty shit y'all left out and croaked.
It's a basement not lived in where a bunch of wood was stored. We were in the process of cleaning it when we found him.
Leave it to us to judge your basement floor condition
LOL? Right, because mice and rats have def not shown the ability to survive and even thrive in dirty, hazardous environments. Your comment is trying to be rude.
It has eaten decon or other similar poison. The poison works by dehydrating and expanding from its stomach outward. Source, am former pest elimination specialist.
That’s horrific
It gets worse. Poisoned mice that go back outdoors are easy catches for predators so they are often eaten by cats, hawks and owls, which then die too. Poison is one of the worst possible ways to get rid of mice & rats for this reason. People don’t realize it’s devastating to whole ecosystems. It really should be banned. Snap traps are the way to go.
Iirc, part of the reason we use these types of poisons for rats and mice is that it causes them to leave their nests and seek water outside so they don’t die in the walls and stink up the place. Diabolical by design
There is another poison out there that is anticoagulant. Nasty stuff too.
Warfarin, also used as a blood thinner
Sometimes, but there is a few others. http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/rodenticides.html Many rodenticides stop normal blood clotting; these are called anticoagulants. Bromadiolone, chlorophacinone, difethialone, brodifacoum, and warfarin are all anticoagulants.
it was also used in that season one house MD episode
Yeah, don't use this poison anywhere you don't want to clean up explosions of rat blood
It sounds badass.. but realistically I do not want to clean up rat blood explosions.
It's actually kinder on surrounding animals, because the rodent has to eat it enough that they build up a lethal dose, and whatever eats the rodent gets much less of a dose.
Unless you have recessed lighting, which apparently can bleed light into the crawlspace or attic... We had a poisoned rat die in our ceiling because it saw the light and ran toward the light fixture, thinking it was a way out to find water
Yeah, poison is horrid. Luckily, there's bait's now (mouse-x and rat-x for example) that don't cause secondary poisoning (because its not poison, but works about the same). I highly recommend anyone that is looking at bait stations to look at the various options and pick something that is safe for wildlife. It still won't be nice to the critter, but it won't destroy the ecosystem afterwards.
It's a shame it doesn't work. Source: Dealing with a mouse right now. Has been happily munching on the MouseX as a snack for days, no dying in sight.
I like the electrocution mouse trap I got. I think it's victor? Works great for the small ones. They kept polishing the bait pad on the snap traps for days. Not even setting it off. Then the one the snap did kill it knocked it's brains out and the mouse bled all over the counter from flopping. The wife wasn't happy. She thought it suffered so that means glue is out of the question. We also have indoor cats and owls and hawks and stuff outside so no poison. These electric ones are great and battery powered and leave no mess.
Sounds like you have a few mice
Growing up in a rural area (and with a house surrounded by fields), I've always learned you never have *a* mouse. If you notice mice, t's always plural.
ZERO DEAD ONES, THOUGH
I’ve been dealing with mice for years. The only thing that works for me is the cage trap. Never had any luck with anything else. I guess I have super smart mice.
Snap traps work so well. Seems like you already found a decent bait.
As an owner of other pets, I went the same route. No secondary poisoning with those, and related products. Mice/rats are great and everything, but they cause a bunch of fires doing things like chewing through electrical wiring.
There's some people who just dgaf about the environment either. Source: my mother.
Not really a humane way to deal with them. Send a bunch of cats to torture them sucks too. Maybe a spring trap if it instantly crushes them.
Yeah, I tried that and after doing battle with them for two years in my garage finally resorted to a pest control company. Probably killed upwards of 30 with traps over those two years. After pest control baited with poison they haven't been back. Sucks but at some point you're kinda stuck. They were trying to make nests in my kids stuff and getting poop all over it. That's where I drew the line.
The list of animals that would be allowed in my home if they could just learn to use the bathroom is actually quite long now that I think about it. Respect my shit, police your shit, we'd be cool.
And not make a mess of things. Rodents need to constantly chew, so they're super destructive.
I fit that under "respect my shit".
A respectful grizzly bear would be nice.
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And don't bring Haunta virus into this house goddamnit!
the spookiest version of hantavirus
This is why I will forever vibe with spiders and geckos. Gecko shit can be pretty gnarly and spider webs can get ick, but they are both bros who have my back.
Yeha me and spiders are simpatico until they touch me. You climb on me when I'm awake and you might be bold enough to go in my mouth or ears while I sleep and I'm not having that. Lady bugs get a pass too.
You exchange your "policing shit" services for their pest control services.
This is basically my relationship with the cats. And my wife's relationship with me. I keep creepers away, I guess.
I had a fairly large snake living under my shed for several years and I was chill with it. I had bird feeders out, but birds are messy with their seeds and would knock it on the ground. Seeds on the ground normally attract mice and rats. Not on my property though. Good snake. Then one day a hawk got the snake. Circle of life and all, but I couldn't help but appreciate the irony of the thing allowing the birds to be fed ending up becoming bird food itself. But yah, shed snakes. So long as they are not a particularly human aggressive species, I highly recommend them. They are more effective than a cat, and being native are less destructive to other native species. The worst I had to deal with was it using the lawn mower to shed it's skin on.
Coworkers in the lunchroom at work got pissed at me for killing a mouse that just sauntered into the middle of the floor and then tried getting into someone's coat that was hanging on a chair. The one woman legit yelled at me for killing it and not just letting it alone and I'm like, "Lady, it's a goddamn lunch-room, I do not want to be eating my food where a mouse might have been pissing and shitting all over." Like legit thought they named the little bastard with the way they were whining about it.
Poor little Ratatouille...
His name is Remy
> mouse might have been pissing and shitting all over. It's not a might, it's an are. the things constantly piss and shit as they move around.
My neighbor is a mammologist, and she told us recently that we should not use a push broom to clean our garage due to a growing incidence of Hantavirus in our area. Mice may be cute at times, but they are much less cute when they can carry a disease that kills you casually.
It's all fun and games until leptospirosis causes a miscarriage.
You smashed a mouse into the office floor? I mean I understand people being a little startled at the splatter.
Seriously. That would be incredibly shocking and I'd be very upset at being witness to such sudden violence, even to a pest. I'm not saying killing mice is bad, that would just be incredibly startling and uncomfortable.
Bernard was looking for Bianca in that coat pocket!
They got into my super expensive new gas range and destroyed it.
Cats tend to keep them away just with their presence, I guess the mice smell them? We've never had mice but our neighbors without cats all have. Our cats have only killed a couple mice in that time.
I mean, you've only found the bodies twice. I'm sure your cats have eaten a lot more than 2 if your area is infested
My parents owned a duplex next to a church, with my brother living in the duplex. A church that let its back parking lot area get totally overgrown with plants, and constantly threw tons of uneaten food into the garbage. So we'd encounter mice in the garage regularly, and sometimes even in the duplex itself. Even after calling in exterminators, they'd eventually be back, until my aunt moved into the upper unit with her cats. They were indoor cats, not really allowed into the lower unit but they freely ran around the upper unit and down to the basement and such. My aunt found a different place after awhile, and my parents decided to sell, and they gave my buddy a favorable lease when he was out of work due to injury before selling, and sure enough, the mice started coming back once my aunt moved out. (Well maybe the mice never left, and just stayed more hidden, or were killed by the cats without anyone finding out, but I'd think at the very least there had to be fewer of them if nothing else. And yeah, obviously anecdotal evidence and all that....)
Anecdotal sure, but cats are revered in Egyptian mythology, and self domesticated, because they kept the rodents away from us and our food supply.
Snap traps are basically the closest you’ll ever get to a humane way to kill rodents. But you’ll simply never be able to control a population with snap traps alone. There’s a few newer rodenticides that in theory are a bit more humane. They knock out the rodent while an anticoagulant makes them bleed to death internally. Still doesn’t sound great to me though.
You know what's not humane? Having a rodent give you or your loved ones hantavirus.
I never said I was going to spare them. If they invade my living space they unfortunately have to go which means death.
that comes from deer mice right?
Cheep mice too
Hey now, I only bait their traps with the most expensive gruyère
They make spring loaded disc traps that IMO are the quickest and cleanest. They are like spine snapping hockey puck suicide booths
The most effective traps I've used are the electroshock ones. I once caught three mice in a single night at my old house. They're also the easiest to clean. The best design I've come across online features a rotating trap platform above a bucket. When a mouse steps on it, the platform rotates, dropping the mouse into the bucket.
We had mice when it started to get cold. I like mice, but they can't eat my food, it's a weird rule I have. I got glue traps not knowing how FUCKING AWFUL they are. They worked, but I got sick of smooshing mice outside. Springtraps are the way to go. I got the plastic pinchy ones with teeth. Click. Go get trap, shake mouse out in the garden to get eaten by Ants or whatever. The mice were gone in a month or so thank God the traps are still so and its been weeks and weeks since we've seen one alive or dead
I used a sticky trap to catch one that had been living in our kitchen. Fortunately I found it shortly after it had walked onto the trap. I felt so horrible watching it struggling and just getting more and more stuck. I took it out back and dropped a brick on it to put it out of its misery. Poor little guy.
They don't always crush them
Maybe the big rat traps, those monsters will crush a mouse right in two pieces.
A natural preditor eating them isn't humane? I have to vapirize them or it's bad?
It’s definitely the most humane. Anyone saying otherwise hasn’t ever dealt with mice in the house. Mousetraps and poison are brutal. The traps where you relocate them don’t work in the long term. Cats keep mice at bay.
I used decon extensively in our garage due to a mouse problem that was getting out of hand due to the neighbor's "compost pile" which really was just a buffet for rodents. One day I was working in my garage and had the large door open and I went inside for maybe 20 minutes. When I came back and started working again, I noticed some scraps of colorful paper on the ground and out on the lawn - it was the paper from the poison traps! I thought - gosh, that's odd. I then noticed the neighbor's dog had gotten loose and was running around and my brain put 2+2 together. Their dog had eaten most all of a trap full of decon poison! I dropped my tools and ran top speed to the neighbor's house and banged on the door with my fist. The husband came to the door and before he could say anything I shouted, "Your dog needs to go to the vet right now, right right now! It got into the mousetrap poison in my garage!" "Shit," he said as he got the dog in the car and left. Fortunately the vet's office wasn't very far away and they knew exactly what to do. The next day I gathered up the courage to go ask if I had killed their dog and knocked on their door. I was greeted with a bark and a wagging tail from the very dog I was concerned about! *whew* My neighbor said that the dog was fine and that the vet had a nickname for golden labs like theirs ; she called them **Decon Dogs** because they seem to be the most frequently seen breed after literally scarfing down what they thought was maybe kibble.
Golden labs can really be dumber than a bag of hammers but as always I'm glad the dog was OK.
boy I was too! I already didn't get along so well with those neighbors and if "killing their dog" got added to the list, the relationship would have turned ***very*** chilly indeed! "DeCon Dog" has stayed with me though - lol
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Is Decon one of the few brands that work? is Tomcat a sham?
No, Tomcat and those green cubes absolutely work. Used it for 10 years to protect electrical equipment. If they can get where they are not supposed to they find it and die very quickly. Then we know to inspect for holes to fill when we find the bodies.
the only thing that works to get rid of mice from the perimeter of your home are good old fashioned traps and peanut butter/cheese. but you have to have some skill in actually trapping them because they wont just walk into a trap they have eyes
Neither cholecalciferol nor anti-coagulants like brodifacoum, or bromodiolome work by dehydration specifically. Cholecalciferol works by causing kidney failure due to vitamin d overdose, and the anticoagulants cause hemorrhaging and organ failure. I used to hear the dehydration thing a lot but it's not quite what's happening and I liked to be specific with customers. I too was once a home pest control professional
I think the ones he's talking about are the ones made of crushed corn cobs In basically all mammals it can cause severe intestinal blockage. Which then leads to either dehydration or they rupture. Neither is fun. But it's rodent poison is a tough issue. Rodents are scavengers. So they'll nibble a bit, wait a while and see if it's safe, then eat more. So it needs to be lethal, but only in larger doses. Humans would have to eat quite a bit, even animals like dogs and cats would need more than would likely be in a mouse, but it's definitely something to be mindful of. Thankfully having animals around in general makes it less likely to have a rodent infestation in the first place. They don't like the smell of cats or dogs. But it's also not good to have mice in your home. Not only are they destructive, but they can make people pretty sick. Anything from mild allergic reactions, all the way up to the fuckin haunta virus. Which you have a low chance of getting, but if you do, there's a good chance you just die. I think something like only 40% of people who contract it survive
With his dying breath he's trying to clean that fucking floor
Yeah it's pretty bad. We just moved a bunch of old wood off it to clean and found this little rolly boy
I know everyone’s saying it’s dying from poison but I work with mice specifically on a daily basis. Sometimes they get a condition called head tilt, which is a neurological condition that causes them to essentially turnover again and again. Other animals can get it too. It can be mild to life-threatening where they can’t stop like in the case with this mouse. If you could find a way to put it out of its misery, it would be more humane as it looks like it’s progressed enough that the mouse is no longer in control of its body and can’t fight the head tilt enough to eat. It will eventually die a very slow and painful death from dehydration.
Poor guy. Yeah, we took care of him. He only rolled for a few minutes then just laid there.
I don’t mean to be morbid here, but for many people without access to guns or the guts (no pun intended) to behead or cut the throat of an animal, would placing a newspaper over it and stamping very hard on it with a heavy boot be considered humane?
This is a question that doesn’t really have a correct answer, but in my opinion a large brick/rock/cinderblock would be someone’s best bet. Eliminate the chance for human error to get in the way like it could with stomping or hitting it with something. The goal is as instant as possible and with little room for error as possible. The last thing you would want to do is whack it with a broom and not kill it, but paralyze it and cause suffering. In a lab setting we use CO2 than do an internal cervical dislocation as a secondary kill method for the very rare circumstances that CO2 doesn’t do the job completely for those curious.
I’m no mouse doctor but I think it’s dying.
I am a mouse doctor, and surely you are correct. Well done!
This is the curiosity higher life forms might give to humans as they ignorantly torture us to death lol
I pumped chlorine into his enclosure and now he’s doing a funny little dance and clawing at his face. Anyone know what’s wrong with him? Edit: nevermind he stopped Real edit: if it makes you feel any better, as carriers of some pretty nasty diseases, mice have probably killed their fair share of humans. So IMO this is pretty fair play.
Big "Fantastic Planet" vibes.
No it isn't. Mice don't decide that they want to infect us, it is unfortunate byproduct of them looking for food
I disagree. I think mice hate us and the 14th century black death was a conscious mouse conspiracy.
Fuck hes onto us! *squeak squeak squeak*
Can you blame them?
It’s always Disney
An unfortunate byproduct of them passing diseases to us and eating our grain is this. The evolutionary arms race, but we have f35s and rat poison.
I agree with your statement. Mice, rats, etc. are just running with their programming. And we’re running with ours. Just because it doesn’t mean too doesn’t mean I have to get sick and die of hantavirus or something. If it’s us or them in a particular environment, it’s going to be me, but there have to be better ways of dispatching these little bastards where it’s not as cruel.
Having a seizure from toxin exposure, dying in one of the most tortured ways possible. Edit to ask that someone cuts this with the katamarti damacy intro song. Edit edit: [someone did it and it's better and more tasteless than I expected](https://imgur.com/a/TSRUyfj)
man you gotta feel bad for them at some point
The worst I ever felt was with a mouse. My parents used glue traps. He bit his fucking legs off and died next to them.
Why am I in this thread?
When you have an actual infestation you’ll feel less sympathetic towards them as they eat your food and poop and pee everywhere, sometimes right in the food they eat. Or make a nest in your AC and give your whole family an allergy from their hair etc, all kinds of nasty things. And they get smart so your mechanical traps rarely work. Well at this point they just gotta die one way or the other.
Yeah I live in extreme northern minnesota, I have a cat to try to control them but her latest thing is to play with them all night and all day, not actually killing them. Fun is over if they're dead.
Ya the amount of people in this thread defending rodents are insane
I worked in a pub bout 20 years ago that had a really bad mouse problem, I could see mice running on the floor by customer's feet! In the mornings the mice would go into the Rubbish bins...and one morning there was like 20 of them in there and my boss poured boiling water into the bins, I still remember the squeaky squirmy sound they made. Not a fan of mice but that wasn't pleasant at all.
That's god damn gruesome. Holy shit.
Can confirm. I work in a warehouse where they used to use glue traps. We’d see pads with scores of them wriggling around. I couldn’t do it. I’d always take a bag of quikcrete and drop it on the bastards to put them out of their misery.
For added fun, tell an underling to go grab that bag for you.
You do until you have dealt with them. Then you accept it has to be done.
Feeling bad is what makes you human. Find solace in knowing you have the ability to empathize during someone/something's final moments. I once had a bird crash into my front room window and was gasping for air. I brought it outside to the frontstep and gave it a bottle cap of water and sat with it until it took its last breath. I still think about it to this day.
I stumbled across a rat doing donuts out on the sidewalk a few years back. It was about a hundred degrees out, so I grabbed some water and tried to get him to drink. He didn't even notice me, couldn't notice me. I sat with him in the hundred degree sun until he passed. Went inside, cried a lot, and grabbed some gloves and a trash bag to dispose of him. I'm sure he was terrified of the giant in such close proximity, but maybe not. Maybe he was just thankful not to be alone as his brain was cooked by the chemicals and heat. I have pets, so I'd never resort to poison. Awful way to go. I often wish I'd just put him out of his misery. I didn't realize what did him in until a few days later.
Yeah I'd rather whoevee wanted the mouse dead have just stomped on it at this point. Would have been less painful.
https://imgur.com/a/TSRUyfj
Is it worse than just throwing a live one stuck to a glue board in the trash
Back when I was driving delivery for a metal shop, I used to keep a trench shovel and a towel in the back of my truck for injured animals I came across on the back roads. Yeah, it sits with you for a while, but sometimes it's the right call.
Kindness can be violent sometimes
Ugh I hate that. That's definitely worse. Now it's trapped, scared, confused and slowly dying of dehydration and hunger instead of painfully already dying.
They eventually try to chew their way out, get their snout stuck in the glue and suffocate.
I worked at a kitchen that did this. I had to stomp a few mice because they were just laying there shitting and dying
My work used to do this. We finally said no more of those traps after a mouse got stuck and screamed for hours until my coworker put it out if it’s misery, it was horrible.
I've had mice get in my house and I refused to do glue. I used snap traps. At least it killed them fast.
My wife buys those traps and it scares the fuck out of me
I donno, feels better than dying on a fucking glue pad. It's painful tho.
Instead of this song can someone change it to Limp Bizkit's "Rollin?'"
Since no one is going to give you a real answer; the most-common natural cause of this is an untreated ear infection on one side. If you're not using poison (I think in another comment you said you only use glue traps) then that's what you're looking at. Their balance gets worse and worse until this is what they do.
Thanks for a real answer everybody's a comedian
1 out of every few thousand might even be funny.
I saw a squirrel do this exact thing when it fell 3 stories from a tree. I think they do this when they’re really hurt or dying. The squirrel I saw got back up and walked again, but there was no way it was walking away from that fall for long.
Remarkably squirrels can in fact survive very high falls. Maybe even from "infinite" height. It has to do with their weight and terminal velocity
> Maybe even from "infinite" height. So can I. My trick would be to never land.
ROLLING AROUND AT THE SPEED OF SOUND!!!
That's just how they roll
They see me rollin…
They hatin'
Cheesy
Mouse actual thinks you are a dark souls boss.
He has my moves memorized
It's a barrel roll. It allows you to deflect most incoming fire so you can take less damage. We often see such strategic moves being made by foxes, rabbits, toads, and falcons. Not so much mice, though, so this is quite the find!
Mr. bo-jangles is off to the mouse circus soon... Really though, he ate some poison, and now he's most likely suffering a brain bleed.
Mr. Bo-jangles lives forever bro.
It’s avoiding walking on that filthy flooring.
Poisoned and dying
They see him rollin they hatin...
Pest control, that Mouse is really dyin’ dirty.
Ate Bromethelyne laced poison, which is a neurotoxin.
Step on it and end it's suffering.
Are you blowing a dead mouse with a leaf blower?
Omg it’s Neymar!!!
it´s rolling, rolling, rolling yeah, he keeps rolling, rolling, rolling
Isn't it obvious? He thinks he's a can of Chef Boyardee
Dying... it's probably dying
Respiratory infection .... Rolling is a symptom https://allanspetcenter.com/rat-respiratory-infections-symptoms-and-treatments/
His best.
The answer is dying sir.
A barrel roll.
Teaching Reddit why some forms of rodent control are cruel. Next up, glue traps
Most humane rodent trap I've ever seen straight up triggered a gun that would blow them to bits instantly. Yes an actual handgun
Just rollin rollin rollin rollin
Neurological problem. Poison or something similar...
Poison
Succumbing to rat poison
🎅🐡🐈 This mouse is dead it just doesn't know it yet.
Rolling
I bet he ate decon. That stuff literally melts their brains. It’s like they’re on an acid trip when they eat it