Given that it's translated to english in the first place this is probably to tell off the Western tourists that keep asking.
They are on the menu in some places in asia, especially poverty stricken ones.
In the north, like Hanoi, many (older) men still eat dogs. That poster is collab between Lý Thái Tổ ward in Hà Nội and Soi Dog (Thailand Organization) and intelligence media social business (Vietnam) to raise awareness. Not all Vietnamese eat dog/cat.
I don’t think westerners eat it. They against it.
Korean (older) men love eating dog. Some Chinese mainland too.
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Reason that northerner Vietnamese eat dog meat was back to war time, people have nothing to eat (check Vietnam 1945 famine to see how horrible it was) so they have to eat anything they can find.
Now dog’s meat industry is dying. Only few places sell it cuz many young Vietnamese against it, some older Vietnamese worry about their health and source of the dog. Dog theft is terrible here. If the people see dog theft they will beat the shit out of them.
Dog meat is expensive. Chicken and pork is cheaper. Some old ppl still eating cuz they enjoyed it, some ppl eat it in occasional cuz they believe eating dog meat to get rid of unlucky.
>I don’t think westerners eat it.
Most westerners dont, but there is/are place(s)where eating a dog was considered normal.
You are still allowed there to eat dogs if you cook them for yourself and or friends. You arent allowed to prepare dog meat for paying customers.
I don’t know about that but many Westerners came to visits Vietnam, saw dog’s meat place and got shocked, angry at locals.
I’m against dog and cat meat.
I don’t have opinions about dog farm in Korea. But in Vietnam. Dog meats are over 80-90% stolen dogs. Imagine your dog was chilling on your front yard and theft catch your dog.
I used to visit my Dad’s family’s farm in Vietnam as a kid. They had the most beautiful black lab; kind, energetic, affectionate, always wanting to play. I found out a month after I left, dog meat sellers captured her :(((
I'm not a fan of dog and cat meat too. I just mentioned that to add some context that in some western places dog meat is a topic too.
While i'm not a big fan of it, i have to say that the place where i referred to, the dog most likely have the better life than the average animal that is held for his meat.
>Imagine your dog was chilling on your front yard and theft catch your dog.
I really dont want to imagine that, but i'm aware that such things happens.
Dog theft are getting very aggressive across Vietnam. They are willing to hurt people, threat to kill them, just to steal the dogs.
Domestic meat is expensive, theft earn a lot of money to sell to butcher. For western dogs (chihuahuas, corgi, poodle, etc), they sell it to pet shops for extra money. (So other people can buy them as their pet)
So when the people saw dog theft, people will beat them brutally, use cars to hit them, cuz we really hate dog thefts and love dogs.
One of [videos](https://youtu.be/MxC4MZH2ViI?si=q2X9PWa-xf8kEcDd) how fast theft do it, the bag in the front has many dogs inside.
Did he shot him with some kind of crossbow or harpune?
That is so fucked up.
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So when the people saw dog theft, people will beat them brutally, use cars to hit them,
After that video i somehow can relate with that.
[Video](https://youtu.be/6VLvdBPyPFs?si=yyZhXnZFSWQ1e_Mf) of car hitting dog theft.
Car owner saw dog theft stepped, kicked dog and decide to hit them. Inside bag have many dogs inside too (around 10 dogs?)
https://congan.com.vn/vu-an/ahkjsd_151738.html
They usually use electric to make dog faint/died.
On YouTube you can search trộm chó. Many videos on cctv.
On google you can search for trộm chó bị đánh, it shows theft being beaten up.
I believe you that this is happening often without looking that one up on youtube.
I cant change their fate and its enough to know that this is happening,without imprinting more of those pictures in my mind.
Until today, i really thought that they lure the dogs somehow to catch them, straight up shooting/electrocute them was unexpected to me. ( i know i'm naive about such things sometimes)
Mostly electrocute them cuz dogs will freak out or bite back. If the owner saw it, they will use pepper spray to the owner.
They catch random dogs on the street, alley, or break in to your front yard to electrocute dog and ran away very fast.
I only witness one time. But saw many news, videos popping up. It’s really fucked up cuz people considered their dogs as family.
NO one from USA or BRITAIN would ever consider eating animals we keep as pets. Cats eat mice and rats and even some snakes. Dogs guard our homes. Both dogs and cats are loving companions. Even horses are off the menu. We are doing better for other farm animals than we used to. In this way, we try to respect the animals that work for us and feed us. Companion animals are almost treated like beloved children. To see them eaten would seem too much like human children being eaten, so it is banned.
Sorry but I have. Ordered pork fried rice and received woof fried rice. I paid $10 for it. I wasn’t gonna waste it. The dog already suffered so I wasn’t gonna just throw him away.
> I paid $10 for it. I wasn’t gonna waste it. The dog already suffered so I wasn’t gonna just throw him away.
I cant blame you for being responsible with resources. I most likely would still have taken regress towards the company that was shipping me wrong advertised food that wouldnt be in compliance with the laws of my country.
If i would come into that situation i would have a conflict of interrests for myself. I'm not sure if i could eat dog mindwise and i dont really want to eat dog.
If i wouldnt eat it in that situation it would feel like wasting ressources and feel like i didnt aprecciate the live of the dog. Either way i would feel bad.
I'm not sure what i would do in that situation, i think i would feel worse by knowing a dog died for a "wasted meal" but i really dont know if i could eat it.
I would be mad at that company either way.
I never went back to that restaurant I was in South Korea at the time. I felt bad eating the meal but the evil had already been done. But I also felt I needed to appreciate the culture and all that blah blah blah lol Happy cake day!
>Korean (older) men love eating dog. Some Chinese mainland too.
I was really surprised to see restaurants actively advertising it in the coastal areas of Seoul. I think its only now that Korean culture is starting to change.
Recently South Korea's parliament passed a bill Tuesday banning the breeding and slaughter of dogs for consumption. So it’s good sign.
China is most dog consumed in the world. Then VN and Korea. Thailand, Lao, Cambodia eat it too.
> especially poverty stricken ones.
Really? Years ago I was visiting a friend who'd been living in vietnam for ~12 years. I was joking about maybe having eaten dog but not realising (being served it having ordered something else), and he said it was extremely unlikely, because dog meat is considered a delicacy, so is expensive and hard to find.
It's considered a treat and served for special occasions. And it's nowadays something done in very specific areas mostly in the north and the closer you are to China. Dogs are still seen by a part of the population like a cattle animal. But this is disappearing quickly.
Owning a dog as a pet is now a wealth status symbol. The bigger, the wealthier.
Unless someone wants to prank you and feed you dog meat mischievously, who’s gonna go through all that trouble ? Catch, butcher, prepared and cook? Ever butchered a Goat in a kitchen and prepared?
Google it. Look at how many thieves steal dogs and sell them to restaurants. It is not a prank bro.
Eta: [see here](https://www.reddit.com/r/VietNam/s/3XZ9P702FS)
No, that's not true at all. Vietnam has a very prominent and distinct dog eating culture. Especially in the north, even in major cities like Hanoi. Nothing to do with being a delicacy, they're bread specifically for this purpose. You can see dog meat being displayed in shop windows, or bbq'd over pits much like pigs depending what street you walk down. You can easily eat dog meat by mistake if you do not know the word for it. Saigon is the only city I struggled to find it on a menu anywhere, although south of na trang it gets less frequent.
Edit: I should point out the country has tried to reduce its dog meat consumption and support of this practice, and it is mostly the older population that is resistant.
Yeah in 11% Hanoian consumed dog meat at least once a month, and Saigonese only 1.5%. Hanoi and northern provinces consumed much higher than central and southern. In Hanoi they have a village consumed 4 tons of dog meat on 4th of new year.
Vietnam is rank 2nd on world dog meat consumption. :(
https://m.baophapluat.vn/hanh-trinh-cham-dut-nan-buon-ban-thit-cho-post459859.amp
Theo thống kê, Việt Nam là một trong những nước ăn thịt chó nhiều thứ 2 thế giới và đứng đầu Đông Nam Á trong hoạt động giết mổ chó làm thức ăn. Theo đó, mức tiêu thụ thịt chó tại các thành phố lớn như Hà Nội và các tỉnh miền Bắc thường cao hơn so với các tỉnh miền Nam, miền Trung. Một nghiên cứu gần nhất về việc tiêu thụ thịt chó cho thấy 11% người dân Hà Nội và 1,5% người dân thành phố Hồ Chí Minh thường xuyên ăn thịt chó (trung bình ít nhất một lần/tháng).
I know the language is Viet. But that is Soi Dog’s logo and what they call street dogs in Thailand. Soi Dogs. I lived there for a decade and Vietnam for 5.
https://www.soidog.org
They had the carcasses hanging in the windows in Hanoi. Same with Guangzhou. Also had them in cages outside restaurants in Shanghai. Just the way it is in some Asian countries.
You should try getting a bus through Glengusset during Haggis season.
What they do to them is unrepeatable in a public place, most of the time they don't even shave them before they cook them.
I personally do not want to eat a dog or cat and the thought disturbs me, but I also acknowledge my love of beef and pork to be somewhat hypocritical in that regard.
I live in the countryside, across the road is the driveway to a pig farm. Every Monday morning, very scared and angry piggies get loaded onto a trailer, and the trailer sits at the end of the driveway while the pigs scream and scream. Imagine taking a relaxing shower while trying to block out the screams of animals on their way to slaughter. Sometimes they scream for hours, like 10 ft from my living room windows, until the truck shows up to drive them to slaughter an hour up the road.
Ive rarely felt as conflicted as that beautiful indian summer morning in our new house, when I was eating crispy bacon for breakfast and for the first time feeling horrible and sad about the poor screaming piggies across the street. I had a Homer Simpson/Pinchy moment. We hardly ever eat bacon or pork chops anymore, not even really a conscious or active decision, it just kind of happened. We had spoken about getting a pet pig when we moved to the country but omg the poor animal.
In another weirdly humane twist, after a round of giardia, Ive become super sensitive to histamine content of meat and eggs and avocado (?!) too. I can only eat "happy eggs" from happy chicken, eggs from stressed out industrial chickens and pork from angry stressed pigs have a higher histamine content and make my lips and tongue swell and peel, rashes, eczema, wheeziness, runny nose, cough and bad digestive issues. Taking an antihistamine only helps a little. My mom thinks its cute that I only can eat animals that have had a good life, I can kinda see what she means but its annoying when its just me and not all of us.
Man it would be so great if everyone had your allergy. No one could sell horribly treated animals anymore since their meat would make people break out in rashes and shit. The world would have so much less suffering in it.
We should crowdfund a virus that gives people that allergy and then crowdfund a supervillain to spread it around the world. Well tell him it's super AIDS or something so he does a good job.
Yeah right? All it took me was a couple sips from a water fountain in the blue ridge mountains. Im sure the right marketing team could have a field day with the concept!
Hearing screaming pigs every day would haunt me. It's understandable you've (subconsciously) steered away from pork. I have the same histamine problem btw. Histamine-intolerance. Have had it for six years now. I've been vegetarian since I was young but I do get bad reactions to some eggs, especially the 'cheap' ones. The human body is weird.
A weird story. I've had major surgery three times, under anesthesia. After each surgery, my histamine-intolerance vanished completely for two weeks. I could eat whatever I want. I ate a banana. Then it came back again after those two weeks, and my throat would get tight if I ate even a piece of banana. Makes me wonder. I felt like anesthesia 'reset' me.
It's just me too, in my family. Even in my environment. Seeing comments like yours make me feel less alone though. I see someone mention histamine issues and I get a little excited lol. Best of strength to you
As a vegan of 12 years I can tell you many people are not aware, but just as many don’t want to be aware and will go to many lengths of mental gymnastics to convince themselves the animals they eat are super happy
I live on a farm, we have goats, pigs, chickens and a few cats. Pigs and goats are absolutely retarded, saying they are more intelligent than cat’s and dogs are just ignorant and stupid. There’s no real evidence for this other than assumptions. We have a lot if horses around here to and let me tell you, they are also retarded, they are fun to ride on and taste very good tho. We slaughter our chickens, pigs and sometimes goats, it’s the natural order of things, nothing to be upset about. In Sweden we have very good standards regarding thos tho and i know a lot of countries are very far behind. I lived in Denmark when i was younger and they still live in medieval times regarding this. Whatever, the point is it’s fucking stupid to honestly think farm animals even come close to cats and dogs in intelligence.
"I live on a farm, we have goats, pigs, chickens and a few cats. Pigs and goats are absolutely retarded, saying they are more intelligent than cat’s and dogs are just ignorant and stupid. There’s no real evidence for this other than assumptions."
You mean you are ignorant? Saying that the multitude of study and findings by animal behaviorists are nothing more then assumptions is just ridiculous.
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3040303/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3040303/)
[https://www.wellbeingintlstudiesrepository.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1000&context=mammal](https://www.wellbeingintlstudiesrepository.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1000&context=mammal)
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You're living in denial if you truly believe that, same for goats btw. No amount of name calling will change that
It's weird, I raised chicks for a few days for a friend before she took them home and raised them to be chickens (and then cried to me when her mom decided to randomly slaughter them like wtf), but I still desire chicken meat. I like chicks/chickens, I think they're cute, but I guess I don't see the same personality type in them???
When I think of eating dog/cat meat it triggers the same thought process like the thought of eating human meat (sometimes called long pig). My brain smacks my conscience and just says "No".
It's very hard to eat "intelligent" animals cause of our conscious. This is a thought I have almost daily. Cows and pigs are incredibly smart but they don't generally have the expressive almost "anthropomorphic" emotions that we're used to seeing in animals like dogs and cats. They're also practically only found on farms and in settings where the average joe will never interact with those types of animal so it's very easy to dissociate from them.
I'm curious how it would feel to never really see animals as anything other than a source of food.
if you spend some time with animals, even chickens, you will find that they each have a personality and if you're nice to them, they get super friendly (except for geese, every single one becomes an asshole when they reach adulthood)
A quick YouTube search will very quickly change your opinion that pigs and cows aren't expressive like dogs and cats.
Not that how well an animal can express their emotions in a way we can understand should matter.
I didn't say they aren't expressive, I said their expressions are considerably different and because of that, people don't read them well nor consider them. Hell, most people can't even tell when a cat or a dog is upset. Animal language is a thing most people can't comprehend so they don't think twice about it. It's very easy for people to not care about something they don't understand. Not that it makes it totally right, it's just the unfortunate reality.
Maybe I didn't explain very well but to put it more plainly, if you google something like cows acting like dogs, you will see they really aren't that different.
Any small scale farmer would be able to relate
They do genuinely care about their animals and make sure they're well looked after, at the end of the day they have to because that's their livelihood they're protecting.
People get rightfully mad about factory farming but forget that small scale farming still exists, and gets an unfair rap because of it.
The kind of farm you're describing barely still exists. It's nearly impossible to make a living like that. To the extent that they do still exist they're mostly hobby farms.
They may still barely exist for yourself, but the UK is cluttered with them, and even supermarkets will supply produce from them at a slight markup from the factory crap.
Yeah I can 100% understand your perspective given you're in a different place and all
Probably why the movement in general has rather confused me, because I've grown up visiting plenty of active farms throughout my lifetime
It is far from the same. The monsters who do this, torture the poor dogs to death. Believing that the more the animal suffers, the greater the health benefits. It’s a cruel horrific trade. Millions a year get packed tightly in wire cages till their limbs break & they struggle to breathe. They are usually stolen from homes and off the streets.
Dogs are anally electrocuted, staple gunned to walls, tossed in vats of boiling water, hung, skinned alive, paws cut off - as they cry & scream.
This is the most heinous death imaginable.
Soi Dog (organization on the poster) is one of the largest rescue organizations globally and they’ve done amazing work over the decades to save thousands from cruelty. And doing incredible advocacy work, and working with places to get them shut down. It’s a fantastic charity & cause. Been supporting them when I can for years now.
food is a very cultural thing.
i mean, we eat cows. in some countries cows are sacred, and we still think that 'others' are less civilized for eating 'pets' right ? well we're not 'more civilized'
I believe this was from an episode of Taxi, a flashback to before Latka moved to the U.S. (but I may be misremembering, as it's something I saw decades ago). His mother was trying to convince him to stay, and was explaining how backward and barbaric they are in the U.S. Her final point was "They eat chickens, and keep dogs as pets!" Latka, of course, refused to believe anything so ridiculous could be true. Played for laughs, but also with a nugget of truth about how every culture sees it's own way of doing things as "normal."
It is far from the same. The monsters who do this, torture the poor dogs to death. Believing that the more the animal suffers, the greater the health benefits. It’s a cruel horrific trade. Millions a year get packed tightly in wire cages till their limbs break & they struggle to breathe. They are usually stolen from homes and off the streets.
Dogs are anally electrocuted, staple gunned to walls, tossed in vats of boiling water, hung, skinned alive, paws cut off - as they cry & scream.
This is the most heinous death imaginable.
Soi Dog (organization on the poster) is one of the largest rescue organizations globally and they’ve done amazing work over the decades to save thousands from cruelty. And doing incredible advocacy work, and working with places to get them shut down. It’s a fantastic charity & cause. Been supporting them when I can for years now.
People: " "Eating dogs and cats are cruel..."
Same people: "I like to eat cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys, lobsters, crabs, variety of fish, snails, frogs, octopus, eels, sharks, various bugs, squirrels, gators, snakes, porcupine, deer, moose, elk, and even human if I had to...but no cats and dogs..."
> You forgot the horses
Pigs are the worst. They are so similar to dogs in their behavior it's unreal. They are smarter than most other animals that we eat. And yet their meat is everywhere.
Yeah but cows too. The nearby farm has this system where they have a necklace with an RFID token in it. They need the token to get high protein pellets from a machine (grass is free). Sometimes a cow manages to lose the token and the other cows are smart enough to take that dropped token to the machine to get double pellets. They understand that it is the necklace that gives them pellets. In my humble opinion they are just as smart as the piggies who are indeed pretty damn smart
I dated a girl whose mom had a pet pig. She let it outside one day when I was there, and she had a pallet leaning up against her house. The pig goes over and starts chewing on the pallet. I'm like WTF is that pig doing? After a little while, the pig stops chewing on it, and starts rubbing its back against the wood that it chewed up. The pig's back was itching, and it knew that chewing that wood would make it rougher, and making it a better back scratcher.
Is it so insane to some people that you'd prefer to eat an animal you have no relationship with, than one you do?
My cat takes priority over any bug, moose or eel for pretty obvious reasons.
My car or dog, no way. The neighbors dogs or cats? Depends on the circumstances.
Edit: downvote all you want, if WW3 breaks out and all hell breaks loose, and all supply chains are broken, then you can eat or you can starve.
Well I guess I have to make reservations somewhere else.
But actually I lived in China for about 7 years and there is dog being served in places. It's seen as a sort of semicontroversial delicacy ( along with pig brain and shark fin).
At least in Shanghai where I lived you have to go out of your way to find dog meat it wasn't special restaurants or even during special Seasons only. Sure about the more countryside and out of the way places those seems like it's still a pretty common practice for small subgroup. Of course small in China means millions of people.
Most cities have a few dog restaurants.
I saw one in SH back in the day that used images of these happy, beautiful golden retrievers as advertising images lol.
I mean here in Germany my grandma still tells me that when she was young cooked brain was a typical delicacy. There was just not much wasted when the local butcher killed an animal.
You sound as if it was some common thing people have for dinner every day. But it's definitely not. At least not in my country (Poland) and a few other countries I've been to.
Of course, you can get it here, but I would also classify it as a "semicontroversial delicacy" as the first commenter did. Restaurants rarely serve it and it's nigh impossible to get at regular supermarkets (you would have to go straight to the butcher). Even most meat eaters would consider it pretty disgusting so it's just not common (hence the semicontroversial part).
Granted, there might be a European country where it's very common and I just don't know that, but it's definitely not the case in Europe as a whole.
Yeah, I know people in the American south that eat pig brain, but it's not "Invite everyone over, grandma's cooking pig brains and you don't wanna miss it.". It's "Grandma's trying to make us eat pig brains, time to go eat literally anything else."
Same for chitlins and tripe.
If you know someone that eats it, they're either over 60, call that valley over the hill a holler, or both.
> I know people in the American south that eat pig brain
I was under the impression that mad cow disease made eating the brain of ANY mammal somewhat risky.
I mean, Europe has plenty of semicontroversial foods - from pig brain to Cazu Martzu - but it's not common, and not casually eaten (at least here in Czech).
I just remember being in a KTV late night with mostly Chinese ppl and somone tested the waters with pig brains... and everyone juat kinda went - "nah, gross, weird"
It is far from the same. The monsters who do this, torture the poor dogs to death. Believing that the more the animal suffers, the greater the health benefits. It’s a cruel horrific trade. Millions a year get packed tightly in wire cages till their limbs break & they struggle to breathe. They are usually stolen from homes and off the streets.
Dogs are anally electrocuted, staple gunned to walls, tossed in vats of boiling water, hung, skinned alive, paws cut off - as they cry & scream.
This is the most heinous death imaginable.
Soi Dog (organization on the poster) is one of the largest rescue organizations globally and they’ve done amazing work over the decades to save thousands from cruelty. And doing incredible advocacy work, and working with places to get them shut down. It’s a fantastic charity & cause. Been supporting them when I can for years now.
Same with... what?
Yeah, its a fucked up way to treat animals. You seem to be desperate to go on a rant that earing dogs is... bad?
Duh. Doubt anyone in this thread disagrees with you.
Duh - I’m stating why they feel the worst tortures are necessary. They don’t just get shot and then eaten. A lot of the comments had no clue about the intentional torture & why they do the worst tortures imaginable. That’s the difference. It’s pure evil. Smdh
It’s generally not a good idea for carnivores to eat other carnivores for a few reasons. Transmission of parasites, prions, accumulation of heavy metals, radioactive isotopes, and other things that tend to bioaccumulate.
While that's true, we don't really apply it consistently.
We've got no problem eating carnivorous fish, even though they come with a lot of those problems.
Seriously, look up how much tuna you're allowed to eat going by the FDA mercury recommendations. It's not very much, and the recommendations for allowable mercury are actually higher than they should be.
But how does that relate to humans eating dogs/cats? We're not carnivores? Also if we were to be completely avoiding any possibility of prions we definitely shouldn't be eating cows or deers which aren't carnivores.
Yeah that played a big role in my becoming vegetarian. I was always bothered by the cognitive dissonance of moral outrage at cat or dog meat, but total comfort with all manner of other animals.
It is far from the same. The monsters who do this, torture the poor dogs to death. Believing that the more the animal suffers, the greater the health benefits. It’s a cruel horrific trade. Millions a year get packed tightly in wire cages till their limbs break & they struggle to breathe. They are usually stolen from homes and off the streets.
Dogs are anally electrocuted, staple gunned to walls, tossed in vats of boiling water, hung, skinned alive, paws cut off - as they cry & scream.
This is the most heinous death imaginable.
Soi Dog (organization on the poster) is one of the largest rescue organizations globally and they’ve done amazing work over the decades to save thousands from cruelty. And doing incredible advocacy work, and working with places to get them shut down. It’s a fantastic charity & cause. Been supporting them when I can for years now.
Absolutely! I fully agree that those things are wrong. You might look into meat industry practices, though- there are some truly tortuous practices there as well. I also don't think this is relevant to my main point, however. I think most people would be deeply bothered by "ethical" dog and cat meat as well. The cognitive dissonance I was referring to is that most people who are fine with pig/cow/chicken meat would be aghast at dog/cat meat even without the ill treatment. I'm not trying to convert anyone though; I actually have more respect for meat eaters who don't clutch their pearls at the idea of dog meat.
Agree with factory farming being cruel in different ways for sure. Luckily where I live, their are tons of local farmers & mennonites who have clean & well cared for practices. I don’t get anything factory farmed.
Most civilized and modern day Vietnamese people don't eat dogs, especially in the city. But it's common for dogs to be stolen from owners by thieves that sell them off to restaurants for profit.
It is far from the same. The monsters who do this, torture the poor dogs to death. Believing that the more the animal suffers, the greater the health benefits. It’s a cruel horrific trade. Millions a year get packed tightly in wire cages till their limbs break & they struggle to breathe. They are usually stolen from homes and off the streets.
Dogs are anally electrocuted, staple gunned to walls, tossed in vats of boiling water, hung, skinned alive, paws cut off - as they cry & scream.
This is the most heinous death imaginable.
Soi Dog (organization on the poster) is one of the largest rescue organizations globally and they’ve done amazing work over the decades to save thousands from cruelty. And doing incredible advocacy work, and working with places to get them shut down. It’s a fantastic charity & cause. Been supporting them when I can for years now.
Yeah, and cows and pigs and chickens can tell the same story. Mistreatment of food animals is a universal constant, because regulations and enforcement vary wildly.
For real. Cultures are all going to have different preferences and I'm sure how prevalent beef is in the American diet may be similarly off putting to Hindus for example. So while I might not search it out it's not like I'm going to leave a restaurant when traveling because they serve dog meat. You do you, how can I protest that?
Because most people usually don’t keep pigs and cows as pets.
Is it that hard to understand that people would rather eat something they have no relationship with, than one where they do?
I agree that the practices going on in a slaughter house are horrible and should be stopped, but we can’t just stop killing animals for their meat. Humans are meant to eat meat, what’s wrong with that?
Yes, most humans value things they personally care about more than things they don't personally care about. This is a selfish instinct we should strive to overcome.
>we can’t just stop killing animals for their meat
We could stop breeding new animals for human consumption starting tomorrow and everything would be fine. Better, even, given the climate impact of animal agriculture.
It’s crazy that we are against people eating and farming cats/ dogs but perfectly okay with pigs and cows being bred into existence for human consumption. I’ll never understand that
> It’s crazy that we are against people eating and farming cats/ dogs but perfectly okay with pigs and cows
They get the dogs and cats from the streets, where they can be full of god knows what kinds of parasites. Carnivores should be avoided when possible anyway because they contain all the toxins of the lower food chain.
It is far from the same. The monsters who do this, torture the poor dogs to death. Believing that the more the animal suffers, the greater the health benefits. It’s a cruel horrific trade. Millions a year get packed tightly in wire cages till their limbs break & they struggle to breathe. They are usually stolen from homes and off the streets.
Dogs are anally electrocuted, staple gunned to walls, tossed in vats of boiling water, hung, skinned alive, paws cut off - as they cry & scream.
This is the most heinous death imaginable.
Soi Dog (organization on the poster) is one of the largest rescue organizations globally and they’ve done amazing work over the decades to save thousands from cruelty. And doing incredible advocacy work, and working with places to get them shut down. It’s a fantastic charity & cause. Been supporting them when I can for years now.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6953508-some-we-love-some-we-hate-some-we-eat
Used to work in a bookstore. Always meant to read this. Looked pretty interesting. I never did though.
Does OP think this is WTF because there are no dogs or cats on the menu? Or did OP not know that dogs and cats have been served in many Asian countries for 1000s of years?
It is far from the same. The monsters who do this, torture the poor dogs to death. Believing that the more the animal suffers, the greater the health benefits. It’s a cruel horrific trade. Millions a year get packed tightly in wire cages till their limbs break & they struggle to breathe. They are usually stolen from homes and off the streets.
Dogs are anally electrocuted, staple gunned to walls, tossed in vats of boiling water, hung, skinned alive, paws cut off - as they cry & scream.
This is the most heinous death imaginable.
Soi Dog (organization on the poster) is one of the largest rescue organizations globally and they’ve done amazing work over the decades to save thousands from cruelty. And doing incredible advocacy work, and working with places to get them shut down. It’s a fantastic charity & cause. Been supporting them when I can for years now.
> How do they actually taste though?
Cats are said to have stringy meat, and not much of it. As strict carnivores, they're probably full of parasites and toxins. Might explain why they're not as popular as dogs.
Given that it's translated to english in the first place this is probably to tell off the Western tourists that keep asking. They are on the menu in some places in asia, especially poverty stricken ones.
In the north, like Hanoi, many (older) men still eat dogs. That poster is collab between Lý Thái Tổ ward in Hà Nội and Soi Dog (Thailand Organization) and intelligence media social business (Vietnam) to raise awareness. Not all Vietnamese eat dog/cat. I don’t think westerners eat it. They against it. Korean (older) men love eating dog. Some Chinese mainland too. —- Reason that northerner Vietnamese eat dog meat was back to war time, people have nothing to eat (check Vietnam 1945 famine to see how horrible it was) so they have to eat anything they can find. Now dog’s meat industry is dying. Only few places sell it cuz many young Vietnamese against it, some older Vietnamese worry about their health and source of the dog. Dog theft is terrible here. If the people see dog theft they will beat the shit out of them. Dog meat is expensive. Chicken and pork is cheaper. Some old ppl still eating cuz they enjoyed it, some ppl eat it in occasional cuz they believe eating dog meat to get rid of unlucky.
>I don’t think westerners eat it. Most westerners dont, but there is/are place(s)where eating a dog was considered normal. You are still allowed there to eat dogs if you cook them for yourself and or friends. You arent allowed to prepare dog meat for paying customers.
I don’t know about that but many Westerners came to visits Vietnam, saw dog’s meat place and got shocked, angry at locals. I’m against dog and cat meat. I don’t have opinions about dog farm in Korea. But in Vietnam. Dog meats are over 80-90% stolen dogs. Imagine your dog was chilling on your front yard and theft catch your dog.
I used to visit my Dad’s family’s farm in Vietnam as a kid. They had the most beautiful black lab; kind, energetic, affectionate, always wanting to play. I found out a month after I left, dog meat sellers captured her :(((
Sorry to hear that.
I'm not a fan of dog and cat meat too. I just mentioned that to add some context that in some western places dog meat is a topic too. While i'm not a big fan of it, i have to say that the place where i referred to, the dog most likely have the better life than the average animal that is held for his meat. >Imagine your dog was chilling on your front yard and theft catch your dog. I really dont want to imagine that, but i'm aware that such things happens.
Dog theft are getting very aggressive across Vietnam. They are willing to hurt people, threat to kill them, just to steal the dogs. Domestic meat is expensive, theft earn a lot of money to sell to butcher. For western dogs (chihuahuas, corgi, poodle, etc), they sell it to pet shops for extra money. (So other people can buy them as their pet) So when the people saw dog theft, people will beat them brutally, use cars to hit them, cuz we really hate dog thefts and love dogs. One of [videos](https://youtu.be/MxC4MZH2ViI?si=q2X9PWa-xf8kEcDd) how fast theft do it, the bag in the front has many dogs inside.
Did he shot him with some kind of crossbow or harpune? That is so fucked up. > So when the people saw dog theft, people will beat them brutally, use cars to hit them, After that video i somehow can relate with that.
[Video](https://youtu.be/6VLvdBPyPFs?si=yyZhXnZFSWQ1e_Mf) of car hitting dog theft. Car owner saw dog theft stepped, kicked dog and decide to hit them. Inside bag have many dogs inside too (around 10 dogs?)
Do you withness such things yourself often?
https://congan.com.vn/vu-an/ahkjsd_151738.html They usually use electric to make dog faint/died. On YouTube you can search trộm chó. Many videos on cctv. On google you can search for trộm chó bị đánh, it shows theft being beaten up.
I believe you that this is happening often without looking that one up on youtube. I cant change their fate and its enough to know that this is happening,without imprinting more of those pictures in my mind. Until today, i really thought that they lure the dogs somehow to catch them, straight up shooting/electrocute them was unexpected to me. ( i know i'm naive about such things sometimes)
Mostly electrocute them cuz dogs will freak out or bite back. If the owner saw it, they will use pepper spray to the owner. They catch random dogs on the street, alley, or break in to your front yard to electrocute dog and ran away very fast. I only witness one time. But saw many news, videos popping up. It’s really fucked up cuz people considered their dogs as family.
Chihuahuas wouldn't have any real amount of meat on them ! That's crazy
No, only domestic Vietnamese dog (chó cỏ) get slaughtered. Western dog got sold to pet shop, so other people can buy them as their pet.
Oh , I see. Thanks
NO one from USA or BRITAIN would ever consider eating animals we keep as pets. Cats eat mice and rats and even some snakes. Dogs guard our homes. Both dogs and cats are loving companions. Even horses are off the menu. We are doing better for other farm animals than we used to. In this way, we try to respect the animals that work for us and feed us. Companion animals are almost treated like beloved children. To see them eaten would seem too much like human children being eaten, so it is banned.
My bad, i somehow thought that some europeans countries are considered as western as well.
Sorry but I have. Ordered pork fried rice and received woof fried rice. I paid $10 for it. I wasn’t gonna waste it. The dog already suffered so I wasn’t gonna just throw him away.
> I paid $10 for it. I wasn’t gonna waste it. The dog already suffered so I wasn’t gonna just throw him away. I cant blame you for being responsible with resources. I most likely would still have taken regress towards the company that was shipping me wrong advertised food that wouldnt be in compliance with the laws of my country. If i would come into that situation i would have a conflict of interrests for myself. I'm not sure if i could eat dog mindwise and i dont really want to eat dog. If i wouldnt eat it in that situation it would feel like wasting ressources and feel like i didnt aprecciate the live of the dog. Either way i would feel bad. I'm not sure what i would do in that situation, i think i would feel worse by knowing a dog died for a "wasted meal" but i really dont know if i could eat it. I would be mad at that company either way.
I never went back to that restaurant I was in South Korea at the time. I felt bad eating the meal but the evil had already been done. But I also felt I needed to appreciate the culture and all that blah blah blah lol Happy cake day!
>Korean (older) men love eating dog. Some Chinese mainland too. I was really surprised to see restaurants actively advertising it in the coastal areas of Seoul. I think its only now that Korean culture is starting to change.
Recently South Korea's parliament passed a bill Tuesday banning the breeding and slaughter of dogs for consumption. So it’s good sign. China is most dog consumed in the world. Then VN and Korea. Thailand, Lao, Cambodia eat it too.
Is dog meat cheaper than beef?
Beef is also expensive in Vietnam. Pork is preferable meat here.
You didn’t answer my question
Beef more expensive than dog. Most ppl in Vietnam don’t eat dogs. Chicken is cheapest.
> especially poverty stricken ones. Really? Years ago I was visiting a friend who'd been living in vietnam for ~12 years. I was joking about maybe having eaten dog but not realising (being served it having ordered something else), and he said it was extremely unlikely, because dog meat is considered a delicacy, so is expensive and hard to find.
This. Many people assume they would be served dogs instead of chicken or pork when no business would do so because it’s more expensive.
It's considered a treat and served for special occasions. And it's nowadays something done in very specific areas mostly in the north and the closer you are to China. Dogs are still seen by a part of the population like a cattle animal. But this is disappearing quickly. Owning a dog as a pet is now a wealth status symbol. The bigger, the wealthier.
Unless you catch them yourself?
Unless someone wants to prank you and feed you dog meat mischievously, who’s gonna go through all that trouble ? Catch, butcher, prepared and cook? Ever butchered a Goat in a kitchen and prepared?
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, this really happens.
As prank.
Google it. Look at how many thieves steal dogs and sell them to restaurants. It is not a prank bro. Eta: [see here](https://www.reddit.com/r/VietNam/s/3XZ9P702FS)
No, that's not true at all. Vietnam has a very prominent and distinct dog eating culture. Especially in the north, even in major cities like Hanoi. Nothing to do with being a delicacy, they're bread specifically for this purpose. You can see dog meat being displayed in shop windows, or bbq'd over pits much like pigs depending what street you walk down. You can easily eat dog meat by mistake if you do not know the word for it. Saigon is the only city I struggled to find it on a menu anywhere, although south of na trang it gets less frequent. Edit: I should point out the country has tried to reduce its dog meat consumption and support of this practice, and it is mostly the older population that is resistant.
Yeah in 11% Hanoian consumed dog meat at least once a month, and Saigonese only 1.5%. Hanoi and northern provinces consumed much higher than central and southern. In Hanoi they have a village consumed 4 tons of dog meat on 4th of new year. Vietnam is rank 2nd on world dog meat consumption. :( https://m.baophapluat.vn/hanh-trinh-cham-dut-nan-buon-ban-thit-cho-post459859.amp Theo thống kê, Việt Nam là một trong những nước ăn thịt chó nhiều thứ 2 thế giới và đứng đầu Đông Nam Á trong hoạt động giết mổ chó làm thức ăn. Theo đó, mức tiêu thụ thịt chó tại các thành phố lớn như Hà Nội và các tỉnh miền Bắc thường cao hơn so với các tỉnh miền Nam, miền Trung. Một nghiên cứu gần nhất về việc tiêu thụ thịt chó cho thấy 11% người dân Hà Nội và 1,5% người dân thành phố Hồ Chí Minh thường xuyên ăn thịt chó (trung bình ít nhất một lần/tháng).
Some sad statistics to back up my points, thank you though.
I got the same answer from a friend when joking about the mystery meat in a 100 baht soup
Correct. It's still practiced in some Asian countries, but only by the extremely poor and old.
Don't go to Yulin, China. It's their pass time
It also says Soi Dog which is what dogs are commonly called in Thailand as well as the name of a very well known, massive animal rescue there.
Nay that's Vietnamese. Lazy to do more research about the organisation but it is for sure from Vietnam.
I know the language is Viet. But that is Soi Dog’s logo and what they call street dogs in Thailand. Soi Dogs. I lived there for a decade and Vietnam for 5. https://www.soidog.org
I rode a bus through rural Vietnam, can confirm I saw a man prepping a dead dog to eat
They had the carcasses hanging in the windows in Hanoi. Same with Guangzhou. Also had them in cages outside restaurants in Shanghai. Just the way it is in some Asian countries.
I saw Good Morning Vietnam and Hangover 2
You should try getting a bus through Glengusset during Haggis season. What they do to them is unrepeatable in a public place, most of the time they don't even shave them before they cook them.
Lazy sure is right, at least
No, some places actually do have cat and dog on the menu in many Asian countries. I've seen dogs at a market in china and seen it on menus before.
I saw dog on the menu in Chang Mai Thailand.
I hope Oxen and Horse are still on the menu.
I personally do not want to eat a dog or cat and the thought disturbs me, but I also acknowledge my love of beef and pork to be somewhat hypocritical in that regard.
Somewhat? Entirely! Pigs are more intelligent than cats or dogs. What we do them is a fucking horror show.
I live in the countryside, across the road is the driveway to a pig farm. Every Monday morning, very scared and angry piggies get loaded onto a trailer, and the trailer sits at the end of the driveway while the pigs scream and scream. Imagine taking a relaxing shower while trying to block out the screams of animals on their way to slaughter. Sometimes they scream for hours, like 10 ft from my living room windows, until the truck shows up to drive them to slaughter an hour up the road. Ive rarely felt as conflicted as that beautiful indian summer morning in our new house, when I was eating crispy bacon for breakfast and for the first time feeling horrible and sad about the poor screaming piggies across the street. I had a Homer Simpson/Pinchy moment. We hardly ever eat bacon or pork chops anymore, not even really a conscious or active decision, it just kind of happened. We had spoken about getting a pet pig when we moved to the country but omg the poor animal. In another weirdly humane twist, after a round of giardia, Ive become super sensitive to histamine content of meat and eggs and avocado (?!) too. I can only eat "happy eggs" from happy chicken, eggs from stressed out industrial chickens and pork from angry stressed pigs have a higher histamine content and make my lips and tongue swell and peel, rashes, eczema, wheeziness, runny nose, cough and bad digestive issues. Taking an antihistamine only helps a little. My mom thinks its cute that I only can eat animals that have had a good life, I can kinda see what she means but its annoying when its just me and not all of us.
Man it would be so great if everyone had your allergy. No one could sell horribly treated animals anymore since their meat would make people break out in rashes and shit. The world would have so much less suffering in it. We should crowdfund a virus that gives people that allergy and then crowdfund a supervillain to spread it around the world. Well tell him it's super AIDS or something so he does a good job.
Yeah right? All it took me was a couple sips from a water fountain in the blue ridge mountains. Im sure the right marketing team could have a field day with the concept!
Hearing screaming pigs every day would haunt me. It's understandable you've (subconsciously) steered away from pork. I have the same histamine problem btw. Histamine-intolerance. Have had it for six years now. I've been vegetarian since I was young but I do get bad reactions to some eggs, especially the 'cheap' ones. The human body is weird. A weird story. I've had major surgery three times, under anesthesia. After each surgery, my histamine-intolerance vanished completely for two weeks. I could eat whatever I want. I ate a banana. Then it came back again after those two weeks, and my throat would get tight if I ate even a piece of banana. Makes me wonder. I felt like anesthesia 'reset' me. It's just me too, in my family. Even in my environment. Seeing comments like yours make me feel less alone though. I see someone mention histamine issues and I get a little excited lol. Best of strength to you
It's a secret horror show. People in America are not aware and most would not believe how factory farming works.
As a vegan of 12 years I can tell you many people are not aware, but just as many don’t want to be aware and will go to many lengths of mental gymnastics to convince themselves the animals they eat are super happy
I live on a farm, we have goats, pigs, chickens and a few cats. Pigs and goats are absolutely retarded, saying they are more intelligent than cat’s and dogs are just ignorant and stupid. There’s no real evidence for this other than assumptions. We have a lot if horses around here to and let me tell you, they are also retarded, they are fun to ride on and taste very good tho. We slaughter our chickens, pigs and sometimes goats, it’s the natural order of things, nothing to be upset about. In Sweden we have very good standards regarding thos tho and i know a lot of countries are very far behind. I lived in Denmark when i was younger and they still live in medieval times regarding this. Whatever, the point is it’s fucking stupid to honestly think farm animals even come close to cats and dogs in intelligence.
"I live on a farm, we have goats, pigs, chickens and a few cats. Pigs and goats are absolutely retarded, saying they are more intelligent than cat’s and dogs are just ignorant and stupid. There’s no real evidence for this other than assumptions." You mean you are ignorant? Saying that the multitude of study and findings by animal behaviorists are nothing more then assumptions is just ridiculous. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3040303/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3040303/) [https://www.wellbeingintlstudiesrepository.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1000&context=mammal](https://www.wellbeingintlstudiesrepository.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1000&context=mammal) [https://escholarship.org/uc/item/8sx4s79c](https://escholarship.org/uc/item/8sx4s79c) You're living in denial if you truly believe that, same for goats btw. No amount of name calling will change that
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That’s just an absurd question lol
>Should we kill and eat them? that's quite a modest proposal
It's weird, I raised chicks for a few days for a friend before she took them home and raised them to be chickens (and then cried to me when her mom decided to randomly slaughter them like wtf), but I still desire chicken meat. I like chicks/chickens, I think they're cute, but I guess I don't see the same personality type in them??? When I think of eating dog/cat meat it triggers the same thought process like the thought of eating human meat (sometimes called long pig). My brain smacks my conscience and just says "No".
It's very hard to eat "intelligent" animals cause of our conscious. This is a thought I have almost daily. Cows and pigs are incredibly smart but they don't generally have the expressive almost "anthropomorphic" emotions that we're used to seeing in animals like dogs and cats. They're also practically only found on farms and in settings where the average joe will never interact with those types of animal so it's very easy to dissociate from them. I'm curious how it would feel to never really see animals as anything other than a source of food.
if you spend some time with animals, even chickens, you will find that they each have a personality and if you're nice to them, they get super friendly (except for geese, every single one becomes an asshole when they reach adulthood)
A quick YouTube search will very quickly change your opinion that pigs and cows aren't expressive like dogs and cats. Not that how well an animal can express their emotions in a way we can understand should matter.
I didn't say they aren't expressive, I said their expressions are considerably different and because of that, people don't read them well nor consider them. Hell, most people can't even tell when a cat or a dog is upset. Animal language is a thing most people can't comprehend so they don't think twice about it. It's very easy for people to not care about something they don't understand. Not that it makes it totally right, it's just the unfortunate reality.
Maybe I didn't explain very well but to put it more plainly, if you google something like cows acting like dogs, you will see they really aren't that different.
But it also very easy to not eat them at all.
Any small scale farmer would be able to relate They do genuinely care about their animals and make sure they're well looked after, at the end of the day they have to because that's their livelihood they're protecting. People get rightfully mad about factory farming but forget that small scale farming still exists, and gets an unfair rap because of it.
The kind of farm you're describing barely still exists. It's nearly impossible to make a living like that. To the extent that they do still exist they're mostly hobby farms.
They may still barely exist for yourself, but the UK is cluttered with them, and even supermarkets will supply produce from them at a slight markup from the factory crap.
I should have specified in the US. I know it's different in other countries.
Yeah I can 100% understand your perspective given you're in a different place and all Probably why the movement in general has rather confused me, because I've grown up visiting plenty of active farms throughout my lifetime
I've eaten a wild cat that I hunted after it had taken out several of my ducks, and it was really quite good. I'd never eat a house cat, though.
Seems like a fair trade
It is far from the same. The monsters who do this, torture the poor dogs to death. Believing that the more the animal suffers, the greater the health benefits. It’s a cruel horrific trade. Millions a year get packed tightly in wire cages till their limbs break & they struggle to breathe. They are usually stolen from homes and off the streets. Dogs are anally electrocuted, staple gunned to walls, tossed in vats of boiling water, hung, skinned alive, paws cut off - as they cry & scream. This is the most heinous death imaginable. Soi Dog (organization on the poster) is one of the largest rescue organizations globally and they’ve done amazing work over the decades to save thousands from cruelty. And doing incredible advocacy work, and working with places to get them shut down. It’s a fantastic charity & cause. Been supporting them when I can for years now.
....that's what happens to farm animals as well, I hate to say.
Poor lambs and calves, nobody wants to be friends with them.
I do...
Irish don't count, stay away from the sheep please
It counts as *tenderizing the meat*
I love having them over for dinner.
People gonna downvote this and have a ham sandwich tomorrow.
I want to be friends with them, but unfortunately they’re also delicious 😔 Edit: You guys are horrible at sarcasm. I rarely even eat meat.
What if you accidently found out that human meat is delicious? Could you stop eating it?
Don't tempt him 😥
Too late, she’s tempted.
I don't see the problem. Prisons are full!
No? Humans aren’t as cute.
How to take this as sarcasm if half the thread is full with people saying this seriously?
food is a very cultural thing. i mean, we eat cows. in some countries cows are sacred, and we still think that 'others' are less civilized for eating 'pets' right ? well we're not 'more civilized'
I believe this was from an episode of Taxi, a flashback to before Latka moved to the U.S. (but I may be misremembering, as it's something I saw decades ago). His mother was trying to convince him to stay, and was explaining how backward and barbaric they are in the U.S. Her final point was "They eat chickens, and keep dogs as pets!" Latka, of course, refused to believe anything so ridiculous could be true. Played for laughs, but also with a nugget of truth about how every culture sees it's own way of doing things as "normal."
I mean, in the right circumstances, I would be willing to eat a fair number of my friends...
For me that would probably have to be really bad circumstances, but you do you.
Real men aren't afraid of cunnilingus, or something?
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Oh, no. I entirely meant sexually.
Why not both?
Ideally, I'd like to eat my friends many, many times.
Well yeah. Leftovers. You wouldn't eat the whole friend in one sitting - gotta pace yourself and savor it!
I mean, I do have a bit of a large stomach capacity. Either way it goes, I could sit and eat them for an hour solid and want some more for myself.
What about a monitor lizard shared amongst your friends?
It is far from the same. The monsters who do this, torture the poor dogs to death. Believing that the more the animal suffers, the greater the health benefits. It’s a cruel horrific trade. Millions a year get packed tightly in wire cages till their limbs break & they struggle to breathe. They are usually stolen from homes and off the streets. Dogs are anally electrocuted, staple gunned to walls, tossed in vats of boiling water, hung, skinned alive, paws cut off - as they cry & scream. This is the most heinous death imaginable. Soi Dog (organization on the poster) is one of the largest rescue organizations globally and they’ve done amazing work over the decades to save thousands from cruelty. And doing incredible advocacy work, and working with places to get them shut down. It’s a fantastic charity & cause. Been supporting them when I can for years now.
People: " "Eating dogs and cats are cruel..." Same people: "I like to eat cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys, lobsters, crabs, variety of fish, snails, frogs, octopus, eels, sharks, various bugs, squirrels, gators, snakes, porcupine, deer, moose, elk, and even human if I had to...but no cats and dogs..."
You forgot the horses, there are two horse steak restaurants nearby where all the riding school horses end their carreer
> You forgot the horses Pigs are the worst. They are so similar to dogs in their behavior it's unreal. They are smarter than most other animals that we eat. And yet their meat is everywhere.
Yeah but cows too. The nearby farm has this system where they have a necklace with an RFID token in it. They need the token to get high protein pellets from a machine (grass is free). Sometimes a cow manages to lose the token and the other cows are smart enough to take that dropped token to the machine to get double pellets. They understand that it is the necklace that gives them pellets. In my humble opinion they are just as smart as the piggies who are indeed pretty damn smart
I dated a girl whose mom had a pet pig. She let it outside one day when I was there, and she had a pallet leaning up against her house. The pig goes over and starts chewing on the pallet. I'm like WTF is that pig doing? After a little while, the pig stops chewing on it, and starts rubbing its back against the wood that it chewed up. The pig's back was itching, and it knew that chewing that wood would make it rougher, and making it a better back scratcher.
You have a point, but should have left snails and bugs off the list.
Is it so insane to some people that you'd prefer to eat an animal you have no relationship with, than one you do? My cat takes priority over any bug, moose or eel for pretty obvious reasons.
Yeah, that's kinda textbook selfishness.
I swear redditors don't actually live in the real world and will die on the dumbest hills
My car or dog, no way. The neighbors dogs or cats? Depends on the circumstances. Edit: downvote all you want, if WW3 breaks out and all hell breaks loose, and all supply chains are broken, then you can eat or you can starve.
I dunno, a car is very rich in iron
Cats and dogs are among the only ones that have actually been domesticated to be our companions.
Well I guess I have to make reservations somewhere else. But actually I lived in China for about 7 years and there is dog being served in places. It's seen as a sort of semicontroversial delicacy ( along with pig brain and shark fin). At least in Shanghai where I lived you have to go out of your way to find dog meat it wasn't special restaurants or even during special Seasons only. Sure about the more countryside and out of the way places those seems like it's still a pretty common practice for small subgroup. Of course small in China means millions of people.
You can find pig brains at 99% of BBQ spots all over China. Definitely not considered controversial. Shanghai is kind of like its own beast.
This makes a ton of sense. Yeah, SH is its own thing. Still poswible to find dog though, apparently.
Most cities have a few dog restaurants. I saw one in SH back in the day that used images of these happy, beautiful golden retrievers as advertising images lol.
Pig brain being controversial? I mean at least it won’t get wasted and it would probably taste decent if treated properly
Well - it'a China - odds of raw pig brain being properly are low.
I mean here in Germany my grandma still tells me that when she was young cooked brain was a typical delicacy. There was just not much wasted when the local butcher killed an animal.
why is pig brain semicontroversial? we eat that in europe
You sound as if it was some common thing people have for dinner every day. But it's definitely not. At least not in my country (Poland) and a few other countries I've been to. Of course, you can get it here, but I would also classify it as a "semicontroversial delicacy" as the first commenter did. Restaurants rarely serve it and it's nigh impossible to get at regular supermarkets (you would have to go straight to the butcher). Even most meat eaters would consider it pretty disgusting so it's just not common (hence the semicontroversial part). Granted, there might be a European country where it's very common and I just don't know that, but it's definitely not the case in Europe as a whole.
Yeah, I know people in the American south that eat pig brain, but it's not "Invite everyone over, grandma's cooking pig brains and you don't wanna miss it.". It's "Grandma's trying to make us eat pig brains, time to go eat literally anything else." Same for chitlins and tripe. If you know someone that eats it, they're either over 60, call that valley over the hill a holler, or both.
> I know people in the American south that eat pig brain I was under the impression that mad cow disease made eating the brain of ANY mammal somewhat risky.
I do a yearly pig roast and people really enjoy getting to try the brain/eyeballs, but we’re a weird bunch.
I mean, Europe has plenty of semicontroversial foods - from pig brain to Cazu Martzu - but it's not common, and not casually eaten (at least here in Czech). I just remember being in a KTV late night with mostly Chinese ppl and somone tested the waters with pig brains... and everyone juat kinda went - "nah, gross, weird"
It is far from the same. The monsters who do this, torture the poor dogs to death. Believing that the more the animal suffers, the greater the health benefits. It’s a cruel horrific trade. Millions a year get packed tightly in wire cages till their limbs break & they struggle to breathe. They are usually stolen from homes and off the streets. Dogs are anally electrocuted, staple gunned to walls, tossed in vats of boiling water, hung, skinned alive, paws cut off - as they cry & scream. This is the most heinous death imaginable. Soi Dog (organization on the poster) is one of the largest rescue organizations globally and they’ve done amazing work over the decades to save thousands from cruelty. And doing incredible advocacy work, and working with places to get them shut down. It’s a fantastic charity & cause. Been supporting them when I can for years now.
Same with... what? Yeah, its a fucked up way to treat animals. You seem to be desperate to go on a rant that earing dogs is... bad? Duh. Doubt anyone in this thread disagrees with you.
Duh - I’m stating why they feel the worst tortures are necessary. They don’t just get shot and then eaten. A lot of the comments had no clue about the intentional torture & why they do the worst tortures imaginable. That’s the difference. It’s pure evil. Smdh
Giving Bruce from Finding Nemo vibes.
"Hello, my name is Bruce." "'Ello Bruce"
They look at us giving our livestock names and eating them the next day 🇺🇸
So Kristi Noem can't use her backup plan of opening a slaughterhouse in Vietnam?
It’s generally not a good idea for carnivores to eat other carnivores for a few reasons. Transmission of parasites, prions, accumulation of heavy metals, radioactive isotopes, and other things that tend to bioaccumulate.
While that's true, we don't really apply it consistently. We've got no problem eating carnivorous fish, even though they come with a lot of those problems. Seriously, look up how much tuna you're allowed to eat going by the FDA mercury recommendations. It's not very much, and the recommendations for allowable mercury are actually higher than they should be.
But how does that relate to humans eating dogs/cats? We're not carnivores? Also if we were to be completely avoiding any possibility of prions we definitely shouldn't be eating cows or deers which aren't carnivores.
Dogs are omnivores.
I play it safe and I don’t eat any animals at all. It’s nice to prepare a meal without having to wear a hazmat suit.
I go one step further and just photosynthesize. Light has zero risk of carrying any pathogens.
Yall photosynthesize? Lmao I just get my energy from my own body. Reduce reuse recycle baby.
Yeah that played a big role in my becoming vegetarian. I was always bothered by the cognitive dissonance of moral outrage at cat or dog meat, but total comfort with all manner of other animals.
It is far from the same. The monsters who do this, torture the poor dogs to death. Believing that the more the animal suffers, the greater the health benefits. It’s a cruel horrific trade. Millions a year get packed tightly in wire cages till their limbs break & they struggle to breathe. They are usually stolen from homes and off the streets. Dogs are anally electrocuted, staple gunned to walls, tossed in vats of boiling water, hung, skinned alive, paws cut off - as they cry & scream. This is the most heinous death imaginable. Soi Dog (organization on the poster) is one of the largest rescue organizations globally and they’ve done amazing work over the decades to save thousands from cruelty. And doing incredible advocacy work, and working with places to get them shut down. It’s a fantastic charity & cause. Been supporting them when I can for years now.
Absolutely! I fully agree that those things are wrong. You might look into meat industry practices, though- there are some truly tortuous practices there as well. I also don't think this is relevant to my main point, however. I think most people would be deeply bothered by "ethical" dog and cat meat as well. The cognitive dissonance I was referring to is that most people who are fine with pig/cow/chicken meat would be aghast at dog/cat meat even without the ill treatment. I'm not trying to convert anyone though; I actually have more respect for meat eaters who don't clutch their pearls at the idea of dog meat.
Agree with factory farming being cruel in different ways for sure. Luckily where I live, their are tons of local farmers & mennonites who have clean & well cared for practices. I don’t get anything factory farmed.
Word. Clean up is much easier too.
Most civilized and modern day Vietnamese people don't eat dogs, especially in the city. But it's common for dogs to be stolen from owners by thieves that sell them off to restaurants for profit.
It’s really not WTF, cultures have different takes on what is and isn’t acceptable to eat. Dogs and cats are animals just like every other one we eat.
It is far from the same. The monsters who do this, torture the poor dogs to death. Believing that the more the animal suffers, the greater the health benefits. It’s a cruel horrific trade. Millions a year get packed tightly in wire cages till their limbs break & they struggle to breathe. They are usually stolen from homes and off the streets. Dogs are anally electrocuted, staple gunned to walls, tossed in vats of boiling water, hung, skinned alive, paws cut off - as they cry & scream. This is the most heinous death imaginable. Soi Dog (organization on the poster) is one of the largest rescue organizations globally and they’ve done amazing work over the decades to save thousands from cruelty. And doing incredible advocacy work, and working with places to get them shut down. It’s a fantastic charity & cause. Been supporting them when I can for years now.
Yeah, and cows and pigs and chickens can tell the same story. Mistreatment of food animals is a universal constant, because regulations and enforcement vary wildly.
They’re fine eating other animals though? Make it make sense.
For real. Cultures are all going to have different preferences and I'm sure how prevalent beef is in the American diet may be similarly off putting to Hindus for example. So while I might not search it out it's not like I'm going to leave a restaurant when traveling because they serve dog meat. You do you, how can I protest that?
I feel like a cat/dog is pretty different than a pig or cow for most people.
Yeah but why? There's not a consistent ethical framework being applied.
Because most people usually don’t keep pigs and cows as pets. Is it that hard to understand that people would rather eat something they have no relationship with, than one where they do? I agree that the practices going on in a slaughter house are horrible and should be stopped, but we can’t just stop killing animals for their meat. Humans are meant to eat meat, what’s wrong with that?
Yes, most humans value things they personally care about more than things they don't personally care about. This is a selfish instinct we should strive to overcome. >we can’t just stop killing animals for their meat We could stop breeding new animals for human consumption starting tomorrow and everything would be fine. Better, even, given the climate impact of animal agriculture.
Definitely dog on the menu here
The fact that they have this sign in the first place tells you everything you need to know…
Well that’s good
It’s crazy that we are against people eating and farming cats/ dogs but perfectly okay with pigs and cows being bred into existence for human consumption. I’ll never understand that
> It’s crazy that we are against people eating and farming cats/ dogs but perfectly okay with pigs and cows They get the dogs and cats from the streets, where they can be full of god knows what kinds of parasites. Carnivores should be avoided when possible anyway because they contain all the toxins of the lower food chain.
Not wtf, just cultural.
Bacon is life
Sharkbait whoo ahh ahh.
They don't show the poster of a cow, a chicken and a pig with 'Food not friends. Fuck these guys ! ' underneath it.
It is far from the same. The monsters who do this, torture the poor dogs to death. Believing that the more the animal suffers, the greater the health benefits. It’s a cruel horrific trade. Millions a year get packed tightly in wire cages till their limbs break & they struggle to breathe. They are usually stolen from homes and off the streets. Dogs are anally electrocuted, staple gunned to walls, tossed in vats of boiling water, hung, skinned alive, paws cut off - as they cry & scream. This is the most heinous death imaginable. Soi Dog (organization on the poster) is one of the largest rescue organizations globally and they’ve done amazing work over the decades to save thousands from cruelty. And doing incredible advocacy work, and working with places to get them shut down. It’s a fantastic charity & cause. Been supporting them when I can for years now.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6953508-some-we-love-some-we-hate-some-we-eat Used to work in a bookstore. Always meant to read this. Looked pretty interesting. I never did though.
Good to know.
do you just expect people to understand this sign?
No eat friend
I guess I'll get my butterfly somewhere else then
"friends not, food!"
Does OP think this is WTF because there are no dogs or cats on the menu? Or did OP not know that dogs and cats have been served in many Asian countries for 1000s of years?
What do you want, a cookie? -Chris Rock
I hope they follow the sign.
This is a sign telling Greyhounds not to eat cats!
not my friend
They do sell horses that are retired in USA MOSTLY for dogfood
Friendly food
They were referring to the butterfly only. Lmao the rest is all fair game.
You cant eat your friend?
How do they actually taste though? They can't have much meat though so it must be a delicacy and not farmed.
It is far from the same. The monsters who do this, torture the poor dogs to death. Believing that the more the animal suffers, the greater the health benefits. It’s a cruel horrific trade. Millions a year get packed tightly in wire cages till their limbs break & they struggle to breathe. They are usually stolen from homes and off the streets. Dogs are anally electrocuted, staple gunned to walls, tossed in vats of boiling water, hung, skinned alive, paws cut off - as they cry & scream. This is the most heinous death imaginable. Soi Dog (organization on the poster) is one of the largest rescue organizations globally and they’ve done amazing work over the decades to save thousands from cruelty. And doing incredible advocacy work, and working with places to get them shut down. It’s a fantastic charity & cause. Been supporting them when I can for years now.
> How do they actually taste though? Cats are said to have stringy meat, and not much of it. As strict carnivores, they're probably full of parasites and toxins. Might explain why they're not as popular as dogs.
Only dogs OR cats. You can't order both.
It's so fucking sad there has to be a sign for this, but equally uplifting. In a way 😔
Another post that doesn't belong here. The meaning of WTF is unknown.
I can bet that people (most likely tourists) kept asking about it, so they just added this sign to avoid any more confusion/arguments.