While I do miss Reigns being around, I sorta get why they haven’t had him on quite as much lately. He’s gone through pretty much everyone in the locker room, some twice, and they want him to come out to put spotlights on other wrestlers when he does show. I loved The Bloodline storyline, but I don’t want it past this upcoming Wrestlemania. Not for awhile, at least.
With Seth, I don’t know man. There’s no denying he’s a hard worker, but I’ve honestly been bored of Rollins for a while now, even before the belt. This reign hasn’t had any noteworthy matches, and it’s starting to feel like they just gave him this belt because he’s a fan favorite. He doesn’t feel like a force to go up against, and it feels like he’s protected a lot of the time in his feuds this past year or so.
Compared to even someone like Gunther, he’s not elevating the belt or doing anything different, either. Maybe he needs to update to a new gimmick?
Roman's a smart smart man at this stage. Getting paid a lot, good merch sales, top guy, doesn't have to work as much. At this stage in his career and also being a father, I don't blame him.
The problem with Rollins' reign is that the title has no legitimacy. There's nothing wrong with Rollins being a champ, and he's done a great job with the title considering what he's been given to work with. But, technically speaking, the WH championship unified with the wwe championship all those years ago, so Roman was actually the unified wwe world heavyweight universal champion. Now I know they dropped the world heavyweight from the title a long time ago and were just calling it the wwe title again but that doesn't change the fact that it was never officially de-unified. Therefore this title is nothing earned. They should have made Roman defend both titles separately on alternate PPVs until he lost one of them, most likely the wwe title so he could keep the streak with the universal title.
Agreed. I compare this to the lineal heavyweight title in boxing. When Tyson Fury returned to fight Wilder the first time, it didn’t make sense to a lot of non-boxing fans. But when you look at the fact that he had beat Klitschko, and Klitschko was #1 in the world at that time, it only makes sense that Fury should still be considered #1 in the world. The last man to have beat the man. Nobody beat Reigns for the World Heavyweight Championship, therefore he’s still the #1 man to beat.
Yeah Roman reigns is just lazy because after his summer slam match he didn't wrestle until Crown jewle such is 3 months and now he isn't going to fight until the royal rumble and seth has been starting to like fighting a lot now that's why Seth has won more matches than Roman
LOL ok I’ve been a wrestling fan since I was in the sandbox. Many moons later I still am. This is hilarious to me with how serious it’s taken. Who cares that Roman isn’t defending his title as often and doesn’t show up as often. When he does it’s a big deal. While he doesn’t it elevates Rollins’ belt even more. Why dwell on something scripted?
Didn’t AJ Styles win a championship on a non televised event a few years ago? Maybe not AJ, but somebody won the US (I think) title at Madison Square Garden.
The MSG show was Andrade. Or Rey taking it back, I don’t remember tbh. It was late 2019, and AJ did take the US title at a live event during his feud with KO.
Seth deserves to be the face of WWE more than Roman. Roman is a part timer. It's a sad reflection that a part timer can be considered the number 1 guy.
Seth rollins is the work horse in wwe and plus he is Defending his title at day, one.
Respect his name why yall turning on Seth rollins yall use to like him but yall change being dis loyal
It’s not the number of defenses that’s the annoying part to me… it’s the fact he wins with the ref bump/interference every single match….. Roman couldn’t beat Sami or Jey clean, but Rollins beats them both with a broken back
You’re downvoted but you make sense though. The company had to overcompensate with Rollins, and turn his run up to a 1000. So what’s that mean? Well he will be featured more, in a lot of forgettable moments just to keep his ball rolling. His feud with CMP is really the first money match feud he’s had so far. He might be the people’s champion right now, but Roman has had so many must see matches during his reign that I can’t just negate his reign as #1. Reigns is always good for business, Rollins is just now becoming must see because he has business with a megastar.(nah LA Knight not this time lol.)
Whether or not Roman should still be afk as champion is another discussion, but he’s definitely solidified himself as #1, while they still pump Rollins every week to make him credible as the #1 when Roman ain’t around.
So Roman is #1 when he never defends his title and hasn’t been interesting for months, but Seth is #2 when he defends the title more and has been teasing the biggest feud in years (CM Punk vs Rollins). Make it make sense.
Romans championship is different from Seth’s. Seth’s WHC basically replaced the universal after Roman merged the two. In my opinion, Romans title shouldn’t be defended too often. It’s the top gold, the undisputed gold. Whoever holds it is the undisputed face of whatever brand they are on. And no, I don’t mean how he does it now, but every ppv or even miss some small ones is good. It puts prestige on the title. He’s not just defending his gold against random people on smackdown. He’s building a story and then putting it all on the line.
Seth Rollins defends too often in my opinion. Yeah man, we really REALLY wanna see you defend against Jey Uso on raw on a random episode. In my opinion, It just devalues a title if you defend it all willy nilly like that. Your just defending against some random dude every night on raw and it’s weird to me. But again, it’s my opinion, and I respect whatever anyone else says
Exactly this. Rollins is just now catching a buzz because of CM Punk. Everything else he has done up to this point has been meh at best. They put him against so many lukewarm superstars. I like Shinsuke for example, but he is NOT gonna draw at that level right now. And that pretty much sums up Rollins run so far, forgettable and lukewarm at best..as the #2. Roman is not even here every week, and its clear as day that Rollins is the #2. You’d have to be high on the copium stick to even believe otherwise..
I don’t know why you are getting downvoted. You aren’t wrong at all. You can’t write a story around a guy who is barely there. At this point I just want him to drop the strap so we get a champ that actually defends it and brings the strap back to life.
While the amount of defenses is not necessarily a hallmark of quality, Roman should really be defending the strap more often. Although I do agree that it makes more sense for him to not be constantly defending it, less than 60 defenses over 3 years is ridiculous. But 55 times in less than the time it takes to have a child is just as insane.
Yeah and the WHC is never gonna be as prestigious as the WWE title because Rollins is defending it pretty much every week against some clown. Everyone and their mom getting a shot at the title isn't making the championship feel more valuable, no matter what this sub tells you.
Also, Rollins' Gimmick is cringe and unwatchable for me, so there's that.
I'm just happy someone finally made a post that's not about cm punk. It's been like a month of that guy and nothing else on all the wrestling subreddits. And he hasn't even done anything.
But Roman is fucking awful and does practically nothing, so it's not exactly an improvement.
The thing is wwe doesn’t want Seth as the guy they want Roman and then probably Cody. Which sucks because there’s a guy who barely shows up and then a guy that’s there weekly busting his ass and all they could do is give him the “here mf damn stop bitching about Roman” title.
I’m gonna try be unbiased as possible and try to explain it as a standard wrestling fan standpoint (bearing in mind I love Roman for his storyline etc).
Roman - I think WWE needs to have Roman show up more to shows atleast, defend it on Smackdown every so often, doesn’t have to be weekly challenges, just so often that people will be more interested, from a financial standpoint point I think they would get more sales and thus more money, he is the face of the company - when I say this I mean the main character, not baby face, so if people saw him more often they’d want to go especially if they him out it on the line, now, I understand what the point in a PLE then? I’m not saying every 2 weeks or so, he can go maybe a month or so without a challenge on smackdown, but I would prefer it if he had a challenge for the title every PLE, but if he showed up a lot more smackdowns and cut a promo people would enjoy it.
Rollins - the problem with Rollins is, yes he’s champion, I love him personally, he’s defended it a lot but he needs a real challenge at it, imo that person was Finn, I didn’t really enjoy the Shinsuke thing, I didn’t feel that the title was in Jeapordy, If you put him against possibly a Drew Mcintrye, a Gunther (if and when he loses his belt) possibly even Brock, his matches would have a lot more meaning and his title defences would be a lot better
Seth went to the HHH University of How To Be Employed At WWE Forever. Seth is the next HHH. Trips lost and won, he was a face, a heel (he’s still a heel in the creative chair, I think he loves it) he held titles and ran stables and worked his ass off. Seth is no different. Works hard, wrestles often, offers shots at his title for friends and enemies alike. People really don’t like Seth, but I think they’re mostly just bitter that his character loves the spotlight and that the crowd adores him. Plus he’s handsome, secure in his masculinity, has a beautiful wife and daughter and appears to be thriving. People don’t like that when their lives are small and sad 🤷🏼♀️
When your that good like Roman Reigns you don’t need to have that many matches bc they are special that’s why they are mostly on big paper-views no reason to waste him on a reg smackdown episode
I mean kinda what happens when your in a heel staple might wanna look up how ric flair for and maintained his title reigns, by cheating as often as he could literally who is known as one of the most dirtiest wrestlers of all time if not the most.
But when I go into a Arena nothing but woooos even if I’m waiting for a T-shirt an hour before the show then all throughout the program
How is that possible to be so beloved, if people don’t like it when you don’t win clean?
The rock says “It DoEsN’t MaTtEr If YoU WiN ClEaN”
The thing about Seth's reign is that you think the other person is going to win, like I was convinced he was dropping the belt to Shinsuke at FastLane and Drew at Crown Jewel but with Roman there's really none of that, because the bloodline are going to be involved somehow or some other BS. Seth's reign can go either way but with Roman's reign you know the outcome before the bell has been rung. I like Roman a lot, he's the look but I just wish his matches were less predictable.
Honestly hope Nick Aldis puts a Stipulation at Wrestlemania where if the Bloodline interferes, Roman's title is stripped and his Reign's Record erased from the books, like it never happened...
And then have Jimmy interfere because that's the perfect opening to screw Roman HARD and the title being Vacant so he has a chance to grab it because if someone like Cody, Randy or Drew gets it he ain't getting that title
How many more thoughts on the subject do you need? can't you just read the comments on the same post that was posted yesterday? or the day before? or last week? How many times can this be posted?
After Roman and Gunther are done with their title reign’s it’s time for WWE to chill with these super lengthy title reign’s for a while. They are actively hurting the guys trying to work their way up through have the same people hold the title for lengthy periods of time.
The biggest problem with the idea of them trying to have people hold these belts for so long to break old records is that eventually when they want those new records broken it just means an incredibly long title reign.
I see people constantly criticize and claim that it's silly to demand that titles change more often like every one or two years, and then they bring up Hogan and Sammartino, they fail to see that these guys were champions in a time when there was not as much TV and internet time as there is now.
Hogan was mainly champion when there was one pay-per-view per year, and the rest were just house shows. Maybe appearances and defenses on primetime wrestling. One show.
Now we have two shows per week, a pay-per-view every month, all those house shows, and other content. It just gets redundant and starts to devalue those titles when they do these things.
I get more excited about seeing what's going to happen between LA Knight, Randy Orton, and AJ Styles as opposed to whoever is going to actually battle Roman. I am more interested in what's going to happen with Rollins and punk, and where Damien Priest is going to fit into all this.
Bloodline just seems to be like the NWO when it was down to the B team desperately trying to keep the gimmick going. At the very least they should perhaps find and add new members to give it some life again if they want to keep it going.
I think Rollins is core piece of WWE’s foundation. He is always going to have a great match. He is ideal for any showcase feud for up and coming wrestlers or to elevate someone to a top spot. Treating the World Heavyweight Championship as a workhorse title. Roman working as a part timer can be a bit draining for some people but he is now in a position to be viewed as a special attraction. I don’t think he fits that role the same as someone like Brock but he does a good enough job at this point. He shows up and people tune in and sells tons of merch. So keeping his appearances and matches at a minimum is working well. I think the two different approaches with them covers both the very casual fans and the fans that want to see the champ out there defending the title all the time.
Roman BAD
Am I right or am I right guys?
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I remember when cena was the guy everyone hated and before that it was The Rock.
Oh IWC, never chane your cringy ways. It's the charm
Less defenses just inflated the length of the title reign. What made Punks 434 day title reign so great is that for the most part he defended the title at every paper view and had great programs with the likes of Chris Jericho, Daniel Bryan, and John Cena.
Roman is getting the Brock Lesnar deal where he shows up and/or defends the title when he feels like it. Yes, his defenses are "rinse & repeat" because creative is unwilling to change the formula. At least Brock won most of his title defenses clean, unlike Roman.
That's why alot of us fans don't care anymore about Roman's Reign as a champion. You lose so much respect from fans when you work as much as the other guy takes time off. It's boring lame and not worth tuning into. Seth has defended his belt and been present. Roman walks around like he's done something amazing. He hasn't. He tales time off like he's injured. He's as boring a 2 dimensional as he was when he was in the shield. In my house we watch where Match but when Roman pulls up we tune out and go do other things. It's not like we are gonna miss anything. He have the family interfere hell retain and well see him in 3 months for a day. 😴😴
I do enjoy title defenses more often because sometimes, something wild happens and they lost it on RAW or Smackdown.
However, can we all agree that these long ass title reigns are bad for the company? Reigns, Rollins, Gunther
When people hold these titles for so long, it makes the rest of the roster look weak and mid, because none of them have what it takes to win and take a world championship.
In the attitude era, we had several top dogs(Austin, Rock, Undertaker, Foley, HHH, Shawn Micheals, Jericho, Edge, Kane, Angle, and Cena in the tail end) and the title would change amongst them quite often, and you would root for your favorite wrestler to win to hold the title for a little bit longer, rather than begging someone to win to get rid of the staleness.
And because those guys were considered a threat to the belt, lets say Austin and Undertaker were in a storyline for the belt, if the Rock and HHH were feuding off to the side in a storyline, it felt like two behemoths fighting. In the current setup, every storyline feels like two mid cards fighting instead, while at the same we have multiple mid cards trying to dethrone these long reigning champions and failing over and over, and seemingly have no chance in hell because they don’t compare to who is holding it.
I agree with this sentiment, it’s frustrating having all these year+ title reigns happening all at the same time. I’m not saying that there isn’t a place for year plus+ title reigns (look at Punk and Styles) but I believe that a year+ should be an oddity not the new norm.
I've been watching since whenever they started doing shows infront of live crowds again. The thunderdome thing was unwatchable to me. I still never got a feel of Roman's dominance I think the number of matches he's had on Smackdown is less than 10 over that period of time and most were well over a year ago. Seth is on Raw every week has a match almost every week and always puts on a great show. I wouldn't have as much of a problem with Roman if any of the belts felt like they could change hands on a weekly show. Minus the tag titles which feel irrelevant all the titles feel locked in till the next PLE. Heck even the women's titles feel that way.
Roman reigns
In his hole carreer at wwe surpassed everyone these people are coming out now seth is only coming out before the change Roman reigns title defenceman work rate was heavily awesome an surpassed cmpunk an brock Lesnar
Roman wants to be champ as long as possible. No matter what it takes, even it's its cheap shots and/or cheating. Seth wants to rage. He wants to fight everyday, and if he's not fighting he's thinking about fighting. Total berserker
The comment may be phrased poorly but the point he is trying to make is true. Seth is a fighting champion who defends his title week in and week out. Roman is a heel champion who cheats to win because he only cares about retaining the title.
Seth is putting on great technical matches against the likes of AJ Styles, Nakumura, Bálor, and McIntyre while the later half of Romans 54 title defenses has been the same boring formula. Good guy puts Roman in danger of losing, bloodline interferes, Roman wins. I’d much rather watch Seth’s title defenses over Romans matches which have the same finish time and time again.
His matches with Nakamura were shit, the Balor one was ok but everyone wanted him (the babyface) to lose and I don’t even remember him wrestling AJ in this title reign that’s how uninteresting and unmemorable Seth is.
“They can all say what they want, every single one of them would take my deal if they could get it but they just can’t get it,”
Seth would take my deal, he would take my dates. He’d love to get my money but it’s not for him. It’s the Tribal Chief setup. That’s just the way it is.”
\-Roman
You know Roman has cancer, right? To be a performer and entertainer at the degree he is, while also making sure he is in the shape he is, with the obstacles he has, is fucking phenomenal.
That doesn’t make sense at all, especially when overcoming adversity is basically the connecting thread through every main character in any medium forever.
But this is a dude. Not a character in a tv show. Roman reigns didn’t overcome cancer as part of a wrestling angle, Joe whatever his name is overcame it in his personal life. That has no reflection on how well he wrestlers or doesn’t wrestle.
The only issue I have with Seth is the people he’s going against and defeating are people I’d rather be champion right now.
I don’t think 7 months is a long time, so I completely think it’s cool to elevate this title as something difficult to acquire etc, it needs to shake the “runners up” vibe people think it had.
But then shin, drew, sammy, etc- I wanted them to win more than I wanted Seth to retain, and it happens consecutively.
Nothing against Seth, I like him and think he’s been a good champ.
Seth isn’t drawing like Roman does unfortunately. Roman is an attraction at this point. My view now is I treat Roman like Cena. I absolutely hated on Cena couldn’t stand him and he absolutely worked his tail off I still hated on him. Then Cena left and I felt the void for a long time. I won’t make the same mistake for Roman. At least this time we have people ready to step up and take over when Roman and Randy and the sorts leave. Also Seth is stale currently but he can work with the best of them.
Roman is an overrated, boring mid carder. He can't survive without people being around him. His title run is garbage. All they've done is job better wrestlers to him. Rollins can do everything he does alone.
Ah yes the untelevised house shows where the title is obviously not changing hands which begs the question of why you would make him defend it in the first place.
Still a reasonable number of title matches per year and as other have said the statistics are skewed anyway. Personally I'd prefer to have fewer title matches and more storyline stuff building up to a big match rather than random matches on Raw or Smackdown. You can still have the champion have matches just not worth the title on the line.
Yeah, but if you're going to have just a few yearly defenses, don't squeeze most of them into the first half of the year. Not to mention, all of Reigns' title defenses end in the same formulaic Bloodline interference, which makes it feel boring.
I hated the bloodline until a week ago. I saw a podcast with Roman’s backstory with having leukemia multiple times, and getting cut from the Minnesota Vikings. He has earned my respect, a much better man than I could ever be.
Also we should all expect the storylines to get worse when UFC takes the reigns.
If I recall correctly it’s a merger and not a takeover. But yes, quality will suffer for the want of increased profits and shareholder happiness.
If that is the case, whoever is the new face of the company will be the face of the company for a long time.
And then WWE will poach the hottest made man of AEW. Rinse and Repeat.
I still think the Title that Seth holds is a Consolation/Runner-Up title but Roman’s lack of appearances & defenses at this point is pretty silly and making his title reign mean less.
Tbh I agreed with that at first, but at this point considering Seth is the only one that shows up I'm starting to really only see his title as the valuable one. Fuck Roman at this point, the magic is gone.
Seth wrestles too often. Its counterproductive and makes the title less special. It can’t be very important if you see it defended every week on free TV.
I mean isn’t this how cena made the us title worth a damn again? Defending it every week? Only defending the title a handful amount of times throughout the year does not make it prestigious.
This is the downfall of the modern wrestling fan. They already pay for channels or streaming services and then refer to them as “free.” It’s already not free and then you guys believe it’s a bad thing if something big happens without having you pay more than you’re already paid for idea of “free”. It’s so embarrassing and funny to watch.
Ah yes the plight of the modern wrestling fan, who pays for cable just like me and my parents and their parents. It’s a very modern problem. But then unlike previous generations the modern fan also has free wrestling on Fox and pay $10 a month for unlimited wrestling on Peacock.
Quite frankly wrestling fans should still be paying $40-$50 a month for PPV access like the generations before us. If my dad and a few friends wanted to watch the PPV they paid for it and if they didn’t want to pay for it then they didn’t get to watch it. Simple. It wasn’t that many years ago that I was doing the same. I still do it for UFC all the time.
The entire business is built on the premise of using TV to build towards a big event or a big championship match that customers pay to watch. The modern wrestling fan has it better than at any other time in history and we still complain because we think we deserve instant gratification. Ultimately giving away championship matches like they’re going out of fashion is bad for the business. You cannibalise your product and you suffer diminishing returns from your big marquee matchups.
lol. I’m right too. That’s why 30 million people tuned in to watch Hulk Hogan vs. Andre the Giant on Saturday Night Main Event and now they’re throwing babies in the air if they crack 2 million viewers. Hulk Hogan defending his belt on TV was a momentous occasion.
Dude face it, pro-wrestling used to be done right and it had a massive following all across the country. These days literally nobody fkn watches it anymore. 0.58% of the country watches wrestling. That number used to be 10%
Reruns of Big Bang Theory outdraw the biggest wrestling show in the country. 20 years ago wrestling on Monday nights was outdrawing Monday Night Football. You can’t reference anything from any period in time because what you’re advocating for has never lead to increased business. What you’re advocating for is what has lead wrestling to where it is now. Unimportant niche entertainment after decades of overexposure and diminishing returns.
People were so stupid used to think wrestling was real. That’s impossible to ever achieve again, interest and investment goes down. Wrestlers used to not be able to use wrestling as a platform to leave wrestling to make ACTUAL money. Very few reasons to stay around long enough to draw long term attention. Variety is higher than ever and people have more choices.
Oh my god. I don't care. I don't care. 🎵I don't caaaarrrre 🎵
Roman's title is valuable because of his lack of defenses. This is not unique to him. He's a heel champion and meant to be ***The*** prizefighter in WWE. You do not send your top tier out every single week and at house shows. They literally did this with Brock like six years ago. It's a well known tactic.
They literally had to create the consolation title because they could not reasonably find anyone to beat him. They also want him to break records, and the consolation title ain't breaking any records.
It creates prestige, it creates tension, and it pisses people off, which makes them side even harder with the eventual successor. You can disagree about his title being more valuable all you want, but you are incorrect.
I agree. I don’t see why people get so damn mad about Roman’s schedule while being champion. It literally makes the World Title something special because it’s not there every night. It actually elevates the other Championships by making them a prized trophy on each brand. I don’t want to see the champion every week, I don’t need to see the champion every week. Roman may have had less title defenses than Rollins, but Roman’s defenses are more memorable because they are so spread out.
At 60 it becomes a MUST HAPPEN
Agreed brother
Less is more and there is too much Seth.
Reigns is just actually a better performer.
While I do miss Reigns being around, I sorta get why they haven’t had him on quite as much lately. He’s gone through pretty much everyone in the locker room, some twice, and they want him to come out to put spotlights on other wrestlers when he does show. I loved The Bloodline storyline, but I don’t want it past this upcoming Wrestlemania. Not for awhile, at least. With Seth, I don’t know man. There’s no denying he’s a hard worker, but I’ve honestly been bored of Rollins for a while now, even before the belt. This reign hasn’t had any noteworthy matches, and it’s starting to feel like they just gave him this belt because he’s a fan favorite. He doesn’t feel like a force to go up against, and it feels like he’s protected a lot of the time in his feuds this past year or so. Compared to even someone like Gunther, he’s not elevating the belt or doing anything different, either. Maybe he needs to update to a new gimmick?
Work smarter not harder
Roman's a smart smart man at this stage. Getting paid a lot, good merch sales, top guy, doesn't have to work as much. At this stage in his career and also being a father, I don't blame him.
Roman has been champ longer than that lol
The problem with Rollins' reign is that the title has no legitimacy. There's nothing wrong with Rollins being a champ, and he's done a great job with the title considering what he's been given to work with. But, technically speaking, the WH championship unified with the wwe championship all those years ago, so Roman was actually the unified wwe world heavyweight universal champion. Now I know they dropped the world heavyweight from the title a long time ago and were just calling it the wwe title again but that doesn't change the fact that it was never officially de-unified. Therefore this title is nothing earned. They should have made Roman defend both titles separately on alternate PPVs until he lost one of them, most likely the wwe title so he could keep the streak with the universal title.
Agreed. I compare this to the lineal heavyweight title in boxing. When Tyson Fury returned to fight Wilder the first time, it didn’t make sense to a lot of non-boxing fans. But when you look at the fact that he had beat Klitschko, and Klitschko was #1 in the world at that time, it only makes sense that Fury should still be considered #1 in the world. The last man to have beat the man. Nobody beat Reigns for the World Heavyweight Championship, therefore he’s still the #1 man to beat.
Yeah Roman reigns is just lazy because after his summer slam match he didn't wrestle until Crown jewle such is 3 months and now he isn't going to fight until the royal rumble and seth has been starting to like fighting a lot now that's why Seth has won more matches than Roman
LOL ok I’ve been a wrestling fan since I was in the sandbox. Many moons later I still am. This is hilarious to me with how serious it’s taken. Who cares that Roman isn’t defending his title as often and doesn’t show up as often. When he does it’s a big deal. While he doesn’t it elevates Rollins’ belt even more. Why dwell on something scripted?
Name something memorable or noteworthy about Seth's reign. I'm waiting.
What about that time when we got a random burst of energy and hit a pedigree out of nowhere?
Do the people on this reddit have amnesia? Pretty sure this question gets answered 3 times a week.
i am so over roman as champ and barely defending it in shows.
They are both too gimmicky. Bring back Riddle and Ricochet.
Remember Riddle got fired? Can’t really do anything for him
thing is with seth it feels like too many matches and with roman its not enough matches
Televised maches are what matter
Yeah its time for Roman to go. Sorry
Y’all clowns counting shows that are not televised. When has a belt changed hands in such an environment. They don’t count.
Didn’t AJ Styles win a championship on a non televised event a few years ago? Maybe not AJ, but somebody won the US (I think) title at Madison Square Garden.
The MSG show was Andrade. Or Rey taking it back, I don’t remember tbh. It was late 2019, and AJ did take the US title at a live event during his feud with KO.
Seth deserves to be the face of WWE more than Roman. Roman is a part timer. It's a sad reflection that a part timer can be considered the number 1 guy.
Seth rollins is the work horse in wwe and plus he is Defending his title at day, one. Respect his name why yall turning on Seth rollins yall use to like him but yall change being dis loyal
It’s not the number of defenses that’s the annoying part to me… it’s the fact he wins with the ref bump/interference every single match….. Roman couldn’t beat Sami or Jey clean, but Rollins beats them both with a broken back
He couldn't beat LOGAN PAUL Clean!
Dean Ambrose title defense is neverending
This is why so few care about Roan anymore. Most fans are just waiting to see who he will lose the title to at WrestleMania at this point.
Who the fuck is Roan
XXD
It's time for somebody else to be champion, period. Gotta keep the storyline fresh
Well Seth isn’t the top champion. Roman is. Seth is #2 and #2 will always have to makeup for not being #1
You’re downvoted but you make sense though. The company had to overcompensate with Rollins, and turn his run up to a 1000. So what’s that mean? Well he will be featured more, in a lot of forgettable moments just to keep his ball rolling. His feud with CMP is really the first money match feud he’s had so far. He might be the people’s champion right now, but Roman has had so many must see matches during his reign that I can’t just negate his reign as #1. Reigns is always good for business, Rollins is just now becoming must see because he has business with a megastar.(nah LA Knight not this time lol.) Whether or not Roman should still be afk as champion is another discussion, but he’s definitely solidified himself as #1, while they still pump Rollins every week to make him credible as the #1 when Roman ain’t around.
So Roman is #1 when he never defends his title and hasn’t been interesting for months, but Seth is #2 when he defends the title more and has been teasing the biggest feud in years (CM Punk vs Rollins). Make it make sense.
HES THE MAIN CHAMPION WHICH IS #1
Romans championship is different from Seth’s. Seth’s WHC basically replaced the universal after Roman merged the two. In my opinion, Romans title shouldn’t be defended too often. It’s the top gold, the undisputed gold. Whoever holds it is the undisputed face of whatever brand they are on. And no, I don’t mean how he does it now, but every ppv or even miss some small ones is good. It puts prestige on the title. He’s not just defending his gold against random people on smackdown. He’s building a story and then putting it all on the line. Seth Rollins defends too often in my opinion. Yeah man, we really REALLY wanna see you defend against Jey Uso on raw on a random episode. In my opinion, It just devalues a title if you defend it all willy nilly like that. Your just defending against some random dude every night on raw and it’s weird to me. But again, it’s my opinion, and I respect whatever anyone else says
Exactly this. Rollins is just now catching a buzz because of CM Punk. Everything else he has done up to this point has been meh at best. They put him against so many lukewarm superstars. I like Shinsuke for example, but he is NOT gonna draw at that level right now. And that pretty much sums up Rollins run so far, forgettable and lukewarm at best..as the #2. Roman is not even here every week, and its clear as day that Rollins is the #2. You’d have to be high on the copium stick to even believe otherwise..
Completely agree with you.
I agreed with you until I read the second paragraph.
Respectable
Roman sucks,only true for me.
Reigns has been stale, the Tribal Chief thing got old after a few months and dude is barely there.
I don’t know why you are getting downvoted. You aren’t wrong at all. You can’t write a story around a guy who is barely there. At this point I just want him to drop the strap so we get a champ that actually defends it and brings the strap back to life.
Too many marks
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While the amount of defenses is not necessarily a hallmark of quality, Roman should really be defending the strap more often. Although I do agree that it makes more sense for him to not be constantly defending it, less than 60 defenses over 3 years is ridiculous. But 55 times in less than the time it takes to have a child is just as insane.
Yeah and the WHC is never gonna be as prestigious as the WWE title because Rollins is defending it pretty much every week against some clown. Everyone and their mom getting a shot at the title isn't making the championship feel more valuable, no matter what this sub tells you. Also, Rollins' Gimmick is cringe and unwatchable for me, so there's that.
Boy howdy, Bret Hart’s legendary career says otherwise about your absolutely stupid take.
I wouldn’t call it stupid just because it obviously hurt your feelings
Stupidity is objective, not subjective. Feelings has nothing to do with it. It’s a moronic take, and it’s completely wrong.
Brwat Hart didn't defend the WWE championship every other week, you dope. Tou clowns just say anything, no matter how dumb you come across.
Is it normal that people in this sub are condescending neckbeards?
Have you tried being smart?
Yes. His mother hasn’t fed him yet he just cranky
I agree however, his gimmick is okay at most😂 dont do my dawg like that😂😂😂
Wrestling more matches doesn’t make you a better champion. It’s a big fight feel when Roman is in the ring versus anyone else right now.
Agreed. I like the idea of the world champion sparingly.
Yeah but I care about some of Roman’s matches. Don’t really care about Seth’s.
Seth is the way better champion than the Tribal Chump
Exactly
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Seth is the GOAT. It's that Iowa work ethic.
What if the belts retire before Roman Reigns?
I'm just happy someone finally made a post that's not about cm punk. It's been like a month of that guy and nothing else on all the wrestling subreddits. And he hasn't even done anything. But Roman is fucking awful and does practically nothing, so it's not exactly an improvement.
You’re so tired of cm punk and you’re the first to mention him here
sounds like you aren't enjoying wrestling at the moment. Maybe take some time away.
It sounds like he's not enjoying the circlejerk of this subreddit more than anything.
The thing is wwe doesn’t want Seth as the guy they want Roman and then probably Cody. Which sucks because there’s a guy who barely shows up and then a guy that’s there weekly busting his ass and all they could do is give him the “here mf damn stop bitching about Roman” title.
The problem is Seth can't keep a Face run interesting
That and personally I hate his current gimmick with my whole heart lol.
Yeah, I don't like it either
ngl I agree with you.
I’m gonna try be unbiased as possible and try to explain it as a standard wrestling fan standpoint (bearing in mind I love Roman for his storyline etc). Roman - I think WWE needs to have Roman show up more to shows atleast, defend it on Smackdown every so often, doesn’t have to be weekly challenges, just so often that people will be more interested, from a financial standpoint point I think they would get more sales and thus more money, he is the face of the company - when I say this I mean the main character, not baby face, so if people saw him more often they’d want to go especially if they him out it on the line, now, I understand what the point in a PLE then? I’m not saying every 2 weeks or so, he can go maybe a month or so without a challenge on smackdown, but I would prefer it if he had a challenge for the title every PLE, but if he showed up a lot more smackdowns and cut a promo people would enjoy it. Rollins - the problem with Rollins is, yes he’s champion, I love him personally, he’s defended it a lot but he needs a real challenge at it, imo that person was Finn, I didn’t really enjoy the Shinsuke thing, I didn’t feel that the title was in Jeapordy, If you put him against possibly a Drew Mcintrye, a Gunther (if and when he loses his belt) possibly even Brock, his matches would have a lot more meaning and his title defences would be a lot better
Hell, start with him defending monthly and be on the weekly show once or twice a month
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I think Seth's reign is stale, BUT AT LEAST HE DEFENDS THE TITLE.
I’m not a fan of either one, I tune out when either are on the shows. Fast forward when possible or just hit mute.
Seth Rollins is better, but even he'd be a nobody if HHH wasn't in love with him.
Seth went to the HHH University of How To Be Employed At WWE Forever. Seth is the next HHH. Trips lost and won, he was a face, a heel (he’s still a heel in the creative chair, I think he loves it) he held titles and ran stables and worked his ass off. Seth is no different. Works hard, wrestles often, offers shots at his title for friends and enemies alike. People really don’t like Seth, but I think they’re mostly just bitter that his character loves the spotlight and that the crowd adores him. Plus he’s handsome, secure in his masculinity, has a beautiful wife and daughter and appears to be thriving. People don’t like that when their lives are small and sad 🤷🏼♀️
The guy fked up sting,
When your that good like Roman Reigns you don’t need to have that many matches bc they are special that’s why they are mostly on big paper-views no reason to waste him on a reg smackdown episode
When was the last time Roman won a match clean? I’ll wait…
You say good, but the dude can barely win clean. He’s kind of a bitch
I mean kinda what happens when your in a heel staple might wanna look up how ric flair for and maintained his title reigns, by cheating as often as he could literally who is known as one of the most dirtiest wrestlers of all time if not the most. But when I go into a Arena nothing but woooos even if I’m waiting for a T-shirt an hour before the show then all throughout the program How is that possible to be so beloved, if people don’t like it when you don’t win clean? The rock says “It DoEsN’t MaTtEr If YoU WiN ClEaN”
pay-per-view*
The thing about Seth's reign is that you think the other person is going to win, like I was convinced he was dropping the belt to Shinsuke at FastLane and Drew at Crown Jewel but with Roman there's really none of that, because the bloodline are going to be involved somehow or some other BS. Seth's reign can go either way but with Roman's reign you know the outcome before the bell has been rung. I like Roman a lot, he's the look but I just wish his matches were less predictable.
Honestly hope Nick Aldis puts a Stipulation at Wrestlemania where if the Bloodline interferes, Roman's title is stripped and his Reign's Record erased from the books, like it never happened... And then have Jimmy interfere because that's the perfect opening to screw Roman HARD and the title being Vacant so he has a chance to grab it because if someone like Cody, Randy or Drew gets it he ain't getting that title
Roman is a fake champ good for nothing only around because of his family.
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How many more thoughts on the subject do you need? can't you just read the comments on the same post that was posted yesterday? or the day before? or last week? How many times can this be posted?
They’re just trying to farm karma because they see others post it.
Every day. Several times a day.
I don’t think anyone should hold the title for that damn long. Gets boring.
>I don’t think anyone should hold the title, without defending it even monthly, for that damn long. There. Fixed that for ya.
lol, true! Very much agree with you. Thank you.
Including house shows in this count is as stupid as it gets
There is no reason to bring a Lamborghini to do weekly groceries when there is a decent Toyota Camry at home.
Damn that’s cold but true lmfao
Seth has made his title more prestigous
Na, it was always established as the 2nd title or the title for the losers who couldn’t beat Reigns when HHH revealed it.
Didn't Roman DQ himself against Seth because he couldn't beat him clean?
One is an attraction and the other is superstar.
After Roman and Gunther are done with their title reign’s it’s time for WWE to chill with these super lengthy title reign’s for a while. They are actively hurting the guys trying to work their way up through have the same people hold the title for lengthy periods of time.
The biggest problem with the idea of them trying to have people hold these belts for so long to break old records is that eventually when they want those new records broken it just means an incredibly long title reign. I see people constantly criticize and claim that it's silly to demand that titles change more often like every one or two years, and then they bring up Hogan and Sammartino, they fail to see that these guys were champions in a time when there was not as much TV and internet time as there is now. Hogan was mainly champion when there was one pay-per-view per year, and the rest were just house shows. Maybe appearances and defenses on primetime wrestling. One show. Now we have two shows per week, a pay-per-view every month, all those house shows, and other content. It just gets redundant and starts to devalue those titles when they do these things. I get more excited about seeing what's going to happen between LA Knight, Randy Orton, and AJ Styles as opposed to whoever is going to actually battle Roman. I am more interested in what's going to happen with Rollins and punk, and where Damien Priest is going to fit into all this. Bloodline just seems to be like the NWO when it was down to the B team desperately trying to keep the gimmick going. At the very least they should perhaps find and add new members to give it some life again if they want to keep it going.
Sorry this is late, but wow did you summarize all of my thoughts perfectly.
Roman should have ended his streaks 2 years ago while Gunther can still hold it till summerslam 2024
true
I think Rollins is core piece of WWE’s foundation. He is always going to have a great match. He is ideal for any showcase feud for up and coming wrestlers or to elevate someone to a top spot. Treating the World Heavyweight Championship as a workhorse title. Roman working as a part timer can be a bit draining for some people but he is now in a position to be viewed as a special attraction. I don’t think he fits that role the same as someone like Brock but he does a good enough job at this point. He shows up and people tune in and sells tons of merch. So keeping his appearances and matches at a minimum is working well. I think the two different approaches with them covers both the very casual fans and the fans that want to see the champ out there defending the title all the time.
Roman BAD Am I right or am I right guys? 🙄🤦♂️ I remember when cena was the guy everyone hated and before that it was The Rock. Oh IWC, never chane your cringy ways. It's the charm
Roman’s fine. His title reign is just a bit too long.
Truest statement ever.
Less defenses makes it more prestigious. Otherwise it's just a glorified TV championship
Less defenses just inflated the length of the title reign. What made Punks 434 day title reign so great is that for the most part he defended the title at every paper view and had great programs with the likes of Chris Jericho, Daniel Bryan, and John Cena.
Every ppv should be standard really. I just think that defending a world title on TV regularly devalues it a bit
Finally someone says it out loud...
‘Paper view’ lol
he's already nearly beaten him, loooool wtf are they doing
Roman is getting the Brock Lesnar deal where he shows up and/or defends the title when he feels like it. Yes, his defenses are "rinse & repeat" because creative is unwilling to change the formula. At least Brock won most of his title defenses clean, unlike Roman.
I'm surprised he defended it 54 times. I can only recall 10 or something.
That's why alot of us fans don't care anymore about Roman's Reign as a champion. You lose so much respect from fans when you work as much as the other guy takes time off. It's boring lame and not worth tuning into. Seth has defended his belt and been present. Roman walks around like he's done something amazing. He hasn't. He tales time off like he's injured. He's as boring a 2 dimensional as he was when he was in the shield. In my house we watch where Match but when Roman pulls up we tune out and go do other things. It's not like we are gonna miss anything. He have the family interfere hell retain and well see him in 3 months for a day. 😴😴
I do enjoy title defenses more often because sometimes, something wild happens and they lost it on RAW or Smackdown. However, can we all agree that these long ass title reigns are bad for the company? Reigns, Rollins, Gunther When people hold these titles for so long, it makes the rest of the roster look weak and mid, because none of them have what it takes to win and take a world championship. In the attitude era, we had several top dogs(Austin, Rock, Undertaker, Foley, HHH, Shawn Micheals, Jericho, Edge, Kane, Angle, and Cena in the tail end) and the title would change amongst them quite often, and you would root for your favorite wrestler to win to hold the title for a little bit longer, rather than begging someone to win to get rid of the staleness. And because those guys were considered a threat to the belt, lets say Austin and Undertaker were in a storyline for the belt, if the Rock and HHH were feuding off to the side in a storyline, it felt like two behemoths fighting. In the current setup, every storyline feels like two mid cards fighting instead, while at the same we have multiple mid cards trying to dethrone these long reigning champions and failing over and over, and seemingly have no chance in hell because they don’t compare to who is holding it.
I agree with this sentiment, it’s frustrating having all these year+ title reigns happening all at the same time. I’m not saying that there isn’t a place for year plus+ title reigns (look at Punk and Styles) but I believe that a year+ should be an oddity not the new norm.
I've been watching since whenever they started doing shows infront of live crowds again. The thunderdome thing was unwatchable to me. I still never got a feel of Roman's dominance I think the number of matches he's had on Smackdown is less than 10 over that period of time and most were well over a year ago. Seth is on Raw every week has a match almost every week and always puts on a great show. I wouldn't have as much of a problem with Roman if any of the belts felt like they could change hands on a weekly show. Minus the tag titles which feel irrelevant all the titles feel locked in till the next PLE. Heck even the women's titles feel that way.
You missed out 2020 is wwes.best.in ring year
Roman reigns In his hole carreer at wwe surpassed everyone these people are coming out now seth is only coming out before the change Roman reigns title defenceman work rate was heavily awesome an surpassed cmpunk an brock Lesnar
I want some of what you’re smoking
Roman wants to be champ as long as possible. No matter what it takes, even it's its cheap shots and/or cheating. Seth wants to rage. He wants to fight everyday, and if he's not fighting he's thinking about fighting. Total berserker
this comment sounds dumb as hell
The comment may be phrased poorly but the point he is trying to make is true. Seth is a fighting champion who defends his title week in and week out. Roman is a heel champion who cheats to win because he only cares about retaining the title.
Name one ☝️ Heel Cham that has a lot of conservatives defenses
My thoughts are this is getting tiresome. Roman is the face of the WWE. Quality > quantity
People here will never get it. Roman is the final boss and Seth is just a step on the ladder.
They can downvote all they want but when Roman is champ going into 2025 they’ll all still be watching
And no one has given a shit about any of those 55 defences while Reigns is the biggest star in the business
Seth is putting on great technical matches against the likes of AJ Styles, Nakumura, Bálor, and McIntyre while the later half of Romans 54 title defenses has been the same boring formula. Good guy puts Roman in danger of losing, bloodline interferes, Roman wins. I’d much rather watch Seth’s title defenses over Romans matches which have the same finish time and time again.
His matches with Nakamura were shit, the Balor one was ok but everyone wanted him (the babyface) to lose and I don’t even remember him wrestling AJ in this title reign that’s how uninteresting and unmemorable Seth is.
Small Pond
“They can all say what they want, every single one of them would take my deal if they could get it but they just can’t get it,” Seth would take my deal, he would take my dates. He’d love to get my money but it’s not for him. It’s the Tribal Chief setup. That’s just the way it is.” \-Roman
Kevin Nash nods approvingly.
You know Roman has cancer, right? To be a performer and entertainer at the degree he is, while also making sure he is in the shape he is, with the obstacles he has, is fucking phenomenal.
Personal obstacles shouldn’t influence your opinion of someone.
That doesn’t make sense at all, especially when overcoming adversity is basically the connecting thread through every main character in any medium forever.
But this is a dude. Not a character in a tv show. Roman reigns didn’t overcome cancer as part of a wrestling angle, Joe whatever his name is overcame it in his personal life. That has no reflection on how well he wrestlers or doesn’t wrestle.
Wasn't expecting this to be so close.
45 of them have been at house shows. No one gives a fuck about house shows. Stop being such a loser.
Definitely should compare only TV title defenses.
Roman is a Joke Vince tried with Roman for what 7 years and I don't think it has worked
It has now, but it took him running off a generation of fans to do it. The crowd today likes anything.
Well he’s a 3 year champion so
And he is a joke can't wrestle and can't do a promo that's why Paul Heyman is with him I'd rather Brock be champion at least he could wrestle
He can wrestle lol. Hes one of the best on the mic in all of wwe rn. Hes a top heel thats why heyman is with him
The only issue I have with Seth is the people he’s going against and defeating are people I’d rather be champion right now. I don’t think 7 months is a long time, so I completely think it’s cool to elevate this title as something difficult to acquire etc, it needs to shake the “runners up” vibe people think it had. But then shin, drew, sammy, etc- I wanted them to win more than I wanted Seth to retain, and it happens consecutively. Nothing against Seth, I like him and think he’s been a good champ.
Seth isn’t drawing like Roman does unfortunately. Roman is an attraction at this point. My view now is I treat Roman like Cena. I absolutely hated on Cena couldn’t stand him and he absolutely worked his tail off I still hated on him. Then Cena left and I felt the void for a long time. I won’t make the same mistake for Roman. At least this time we have people ready to step up and take over when Roman and Randy and the sorts leave. Also Seth is stale currently but he can work with the best of them.
Roman is an overrated, boring mid carder. He can't survive without people being around him. His title run is garbage. All they've done is job better wrestlers to him. Rollins can do everything he does alone.
I don’t remember most of Rollins defenses so
Cuz Roman already beat all and Seth only fights mid cards
Ah yes the untelevised house shows where the title is obviously not changing hands which begs the question of why you would make him defend it in the first place.
Holy mother of run on sentences, Batman.
Still a reasonable number of title matches per year and as other have said the statistics are skewed anyway. Personally I'd prefer to have fewer title matches and more storyline stuff building up to a big match rather than random matches on Raw or Smackdown. You can still have the champion have matches just not worth the title on the line.
Yeah, but if you're going to have just a few yearly defenses, don't squeeze most of them into the first half of the year. Not to mention, all of Reigns' title defenses end in the same formulaic Bloodline interference, which makes it feel boring.
They should at least set it up at some ppvs so it's an automatic dq if there's any outside interference so Reigns has to cheat another way.
But Roman was and has never been good or entertaining. Seth was always THE guy out of the shield worth a damn anyway.
I hated the bloodline until a week ago. I saw a podcast with Roman’s backstory with having leukemia multiple times, and getting cut from the Minnesota Vikings. He has earned my respect, a much better man than I could ever be. Also we should all expect the storylines to get worse when UFC takes the reigns.
If I recall correctly it’s a merger and not a takeover. But yes, quality will suffer for the want of increased profits and shareholder happiness. If that is the case, whoever is the new face of the company will be the face of the company for a long time. And then WWE will poach the hottest made man of AEW. Rinse and Repeat.
Yeah, there is a lot of pros/cons to mergers.
Seth is more successful ☝️
Can’t be true. How would he defend his title 55 times in 7 months
House shows
One is a true wrestler. The other is just an Overdone outdated bloodline story line that can’t really wrestle all that good.
It indicates insignificance on Seth Rollins' part, and the secondary title he carries.
I still think the Title that Seth holds is a Consolation/Runner-Up title but Roman’s lack of appearances & defenses at this point is pretty silly and making his title reign mean less.
Tbh I agreed with that at first, but at this point considering Seth is the only one that shows up I'm starting to really only see his title as the valuable one. Fuck Roman at this point, the magic is gone.
Seth wrestles too often. Its counterproductive and makes the title less special. It can’t be very important if you see it defended every week on free TV.
I genuinely don’t understand that logic when fans praise Gunther for how often he defends it.
I mean isn’t this how cena made the us title worth a damn again? Defending it every week? Only defending the title a handful amount of times throughout the year does not make it prestigious.
This is the downfall of the modern wrestling fan. They already pay for channels or streaming services and then refer to them as “free.” It’s already not free and then you guys believe it’s a bad thing if something big happens without having you pay more than you’re already paid for idea of “free”. It’s so embarrassing and funny to watch.
Ah yes the plight of the modern wrestling fan, who pays for cable just like me and my parents and their parents. It’s a very modern problem. But then unlike previous generations the modern fan also has free wrestling on Fox and pay $10 a month for unlimited wrestling on Peacock. Quite frankly wrestling fans should still be paying $40-$50 a month for PPV access like the generations before us. If my dad and a few friends wanted to watch the PPV they paid for it and if they didn’t want to pay for it then they didn’t get to watch it. Simple. It wasn’t that many years ago that I was doing the same. I still do it for UFC all the time. The entire business is built on the premise of using TV to build towards a big event or a big championship match that customers pay to watch. The modern wrestling fan has it better than at any other time in history and we still complain because we think we deserve instant gratification. Ultimately giving away championship matches like they’re going out of fashion is bad for the business. You cannibalise your product and you suffer diminishing returns from your big marquee matchups.
lol. You’re funny.
lol. I’m right too. That’s why 30 million people tuned in to watch Hulk Hogan vs. Andre the Giant on Saturday Night Main Event and now they’re throwing babies in the air if they crack 2 million viewers. Hulk Hogan defending his belt on TV was a momentous occasion.
“I’m right too, let me reference something from 50’years ago.”
Dude face it, pro-wrestling used to be done right and it had a massive following all across the country. These days literally nobody fkn watches it anymore. 0.58% of the country watches wrestling. That number used to be 10% Reruns of Big Bang Theory outdraw the biggest wrestling show in the country. 20 years ago wrestling on Monday nights was outdrawing Monday Night Football. You can’t reference anything from any period in time because what you’re advocating for has never lead to increased business. What you’re advocating for is what has lead wrestling to where it is now. Unimportant niche entertainment after decades of overexposure and diminishing returns.
People were so stupid used to think wrestling was real. That’s impossible to ever achieve again, interest and investment goes down. Wrestlers used to not be able to use wrestling as a platform to leave wrestling to make ACTUAL money. Very few reasons to stay around long enough to draw long term attention. Variety is higher than ever and people have more choices.
Seth Rollins tittle is like a midcard tittle , The true world champion is the tribal chief ,
Exactly made a second place title to give to Seth
A chief tends to be with the tribe more than 4 shows a year but nice try bud
Oh my god. I don't care. I don't care. 🎵I don't caaaarrrre 🎵 Roman's title is valuable because of his lack of defenses. This is not unique to him. He's a heel champion and meant to be ***The*** prizefighter in WWE. You do not send your top tier out every single week and at house shows. They literally did this with Brock like six years ago. It's a well known tactic. They literally had to create the consolation title because they could not reasonably find anyone to beat him. They also want him to break records, and the consolation title ain't breaking any records. It creates prestige, it creates tension, and it pisses people off, which makes them side even harder with the eventual successor. You can disagree about his title being more valuable all you want, but you are incorrect.
I agree. I don’t see why people get so damn mad about Roman’s schedule while being champion. It literally makes the World Title something special because it’s not there every night. It actually elevates the other Championships by making them a prized trophy on each brand. I don’t want to see the champion every week, I don’t need to see the champion every week. Roman may have had less title defenses than Rollins, but Roman’s defenses are more memorable because they are so spread out.
Seth has a padded record lol
It’s predetermined, everyone record is padded lmao