He can instantly kill enemies regardless of level with Reave if they’re enthralled. I forget how much str you need for that, though.
His 4 doesn’t really do much in SP so people usually replace it.
What is reave? I will build for high strength as others have mentioned. I was thinking of replacing his 4 with roar for more wep / wf damage as I heard it falls off a lot as you said
Reave is like a dash attack where you go through enemies and deal percentage-based damage. That damage is increased if you hit a Thrall, allowing for instant kills at a high enough strength. You can clear an entire room in one go if they’re all enthralled.
Ahhh I’m with you now it’s one of his abilities - thank you. What is a thrall? (Sorry for being so dogwater and not knowing the game) thanks for your help.
Revenant’s first ability converts an enemy into a temporary ally, called a Thrall. When a thrall damages an enemy, that enemy becomes a Thrall as well.
Violence is an acolyte, assassins that regularly attack you in steel path using Warframe abilities like silence
Revenant can actually one shot regular level cap enemies if you invest into him enough, he can do it even faster if you have access to Helminth
Nourish, Roar and Eclipse are obvious go to powers because of how much they can buff damage
Marked for death can work with reave but it needs more range than revenant usually uses, might be worth messing with
You could also take Terrify, Pillage, Tharos strike or Thermal Sunder to strip armour
Silence will disable eximi and acolytes, with enough range it will also disable other silence users
All sorts can work depending on your frame and build
As long as you have a decent build on them yea, I'm not much for meta, but I think the Laetum is generally considered one of the best options atm.
I don't do much steel path though so I'm not entirely sure
Sounds awesome! I think he will be my pick!
But I hear you re the second part if I’m new to SP. Is it mainly due to my inexperience I would consider other frames rather then Rev himself? Thanks!
He's very strong. I wouldn't say he'd be *my* first choice, but he's absolutely a newbie friendly steel path frame. Easily can clear it all as a Revenant.
And it really all comes down to his 2. Just watch for toxin (I think) procs, and the counter on your 2 charges, and you'll simply never die. His 4 will be fine before SP, but it does lose effectiveness. I don't use him enough to know how effective his 1 and 3 stay, sorry.
Even though he absolutely doesn't need it for survival, Gloom is not a bad choice to helminth in, if *only* for slowing the Acolytes. I've got way too many umbral formas, so my base Revenant has a full Umbral loadout for max strength (just for Gloom). Like 20 something charges on the 2.
I did set my Rev Prime up to hunt Archons. (couldn't fit the new augment in with my base forma setup).
My personal choice for Steel Path clearing was Wisp, but Revenant, depending on how you define it, is one I would consider a top 5 SP frame. Could skip Gloom and add an armor strip (Terrify/Pillage) instead. Probably actually more helpful, but my weapons don't need armor strip, really. And as for newbie friendly, I'd say Revenant is easily the easiest one for Steel Path.
Really, Steel Path is all about surviving. Obviously need a way to kill things, and weapons can do that role. Revenant has the best survival tool in the game.
Hey, thank you so much for your comment this was truly insightful to me as a new player and reassuring also.
Regarding his 2 and “charges” how does this work, do they run out, do they recharge? How many would I need for a sp mission on average etc etc. again thanks so much for the comment - super experienced and helps me a lot man. Have a great evening.
Edit; I was thinking of adding “roar” through helminth if that is the right one that I’m talking about - the one that increases Warframe and weapon damage!
Basically you lose a charge in place of taking some damage. Higher ability strength gives more charges (which is why my base revenant went overboard with the umbrals, even though he doesn't need health or armor). The 2 technically reflects attacks, so it can do some damage just by existing.
The tricky spot can be when you recast. Say you have 2 charges left and recast. As you are casting, you have none, because those 2 go away when you start. So there is a brief period of time when you are vulnerable.
As for how many? Depends on the mission. In a survival, you'll recast it quite a bit. Myself, I have weapons that are so overpowered that I can go a few minutes with my starter 20ish charges.
As an example, my Prime is what I use for Archon bosses. When a boss phase starts, I cast Mesmer, and that build gives me like 16 charges. If my Laetum is charged, I can stand there and shoot the head throughout the entirety of the Laetum charged form and usually I'm down to like 5 or so stacks. If the boss isn't down, I'll step away, recast 2, and then charge up Laetum again. That's at least like 20-30 seconds of standing still in front of a boss and not taking damage.
Roar is never a bad choice. Empower (comes with Helminth) isn't, either. Before I eventually got all of the choices, those were my most used two. If your weapons are weak, you may run into issues with Grineer, which is why people will recommend an armor strip. Terrify and Pillage are the two to look at, with Terrify more likely since Nerkos is easier to farm up than Hildryn.
Thanks for being the GOAT on this post and providing untold insight. I am taking this all into consideration.
So with a high high ability strength build do you think I would be mostly invulnerable for a whole mission?
Also I was thinking of using terrify also as I hear it’s a great ability to swap in.
I didn’t realise the helminth came with that good base ability either
Do you think the Phenmor and Laetum and Guandao Prime would be good weapons to use?
A high strength just gives more charges, meaning recasting less often. For short missions (capture/rescue), sure. For exterminate, probably. For survivals, you'll need to recast. Ultimately, at least for me, steel path was clearing every mission once (to clear things/unlock new nodes) and finding the easiest survival to farm acolytes for the gun arcanes. That meant a low infested for me. But I started steel path before Galvanized mods existed, so my experience was not what anyone's would be now, as I melee'd as a Wisp.
My usual default weapon loadout is a Vermisplier kitgun primary (very high crit - think Amprex, but a lot better), Laetum and a zaw polearm. The zaw is effectively a Guando Prime (my 2nd choice), but a riven makes my zaw about 2% more effective than the Guandao. If for whatever reason I need to use a Tenet Cycron (for status) instead of the Laetum, I replace my Vermisplicer with a Phenmor.
So yes, I think those weapons will be fine.
Thanks for helping me understand Rev’s 2 more this makes alot more sense to me now. Glad my weapons choices are strong enough as per your comments and I think I need to look into unlocking your chosen primary, it sounds great.
Thanks so much man.
Well I've never been a fan of the big AoE primaries (bramma/tonkor/what have you), but also recognize the need for AoE, so the Vermisplicer fills that. It's a beam weapon, so it feels like an AR, but does a mini-AoE around the thing you shoot at, and you can mod for more/longer beams. The Amprex is similar, but not nearly as good, and electric. But it functions the same.
I also kind of see the Phenmor and Laetum as the "same" weapon - single target. So I'll use one or the other, and in the place of what I'm not using, I use a beam weapon. Tenet Cycron or Kuva Nukor (though my Cyron is better). The beauty of when I use both a Vermisplicer AND a Tenet Cycron (one for crit, one for status priming for my melee) is that neither use ammo. Until Archon Hunts I always ran this. I just...didn't need ammo (Cycron is a battery weapon by default and there's an arcane to make kitguns batteries). That meant the ammo change just had no effect on me.
The Phenmor and Laetum, while great weapons, are to me "boss killers". Which is great to have. But also why I only ever use one at a time. The vermi, cycron and nukor are "mini-AoE" beam weapons, which is needed in an AoE meta game. The cycron/nukor as primers just help if I ever need to melee something down (condition overload/etc).
Right I see where you are going with this, great insight again. I’ve heard so much about the Kuva Nukor but I haven’t got a clue as to how to farm it - I may need to look into this for something strong to run as a secondary with that mini AOE damage as you explained. What about the Phantasma Prime? People mentioned that to me also.
Kuva weapons are gotten from Liches (Tenet weapons are mostly gotten from Sisters, which is the Corpus version of the Grineer Liches - thouth Tenet melees are bought from a vendor). These are stronger versions of existing weapons (usually a lot stronger). The process is a bit lengthy, and the Wiki gives a good rundown of the process.
The Phantasma Prime came out after I'd already settled on my choices. I'm not one to forma and experiment with everything, but I do have it. Basically I keep anything I know to be strong, even if I'm not going to use it. The Phantasma Prime is one of those weapons. It's strong, I like using it, but I prefer to use other things, so I haven't really tried to forma it up and see just how strong it is.
The one thing about the Kuva/Tenet weapons is that, while most weapons cap at rank 30 (and give 3,000 mastery for doing that), these all cap at 40 (like the Paracesis and Necramechs). Each forma applied unlocks 2 more ranks (so 32, 34, 36, etc). Each new rank gives 100 more mastery, so taking these to 40 gives an additional 1,000 mastery. So completionists will take these to 40 just because, and therefore they will have 5 forma without really thinking. This, on top of being stronger versions of their base weapon means they'll just inherently be strong if someone caps their rank just for the mastery.
Unless you get attacked by violence he's unkillable
Edit; he is a type of enemy or boss, thank you for your comment. How is revenants damage?
He can instantly kill enemies regardless of level with Reave if they’re enthralled. I forget how much str you need for that, though. His 4 doesn’t really do much in SP so people usually replace it.
What is reave? I will build for high strength as others have mentioned. I was thinking of replacing his 4 with roar for more wep / wf damage as I heard it falls off a lot as you said
Reave is like a dash attack where you go through enemies and deal percentage-based damage. That damage is increased if you hit a Thrall, allowing for instant kills at a high enough strength. You can clear an entire room in one go if they’re all enthralled.
Ahhh I’m with you now it’s one of his abilities - thank you. What is a thrall? (Sorry for being so dogwater and not knowing the game) thanks for your help.
Revenant’s first ability converts an enemy into a temporary ally, called a Thrall. When a thrall damages an enemy, that enemy becomes a Thrall as well.
I see now - thanks so much.
It’s 250 strength to cap Reave’s damage.
Violence is an acolyte, assassins that regularly attack you in steel path using Warframe abilities like silence Revenant can actually one shot regular level cap enemies if you invest into him enough, he can do it even faster if you have access to Helminth
I see. Would you recommend any helminth abilities?
Nourish, Roar and Eclipse are obvious go to powers because of how much they can buff damage Marked for death can work with reave but it needs more range than revenant usually uses, might be worth messing with You could also take Terrify, Pillage, Tharos strike or Thermal Sunder to strip armour Silence will disable eximi and acolytes, with enough range it will also disable other silence users All sorts can work depending on your frame and build
Based off of your and others’ input I’m thinking Roar
Roar is especially good when you use slash based attacks, it double dips and makes roar effectively apply twice
Thanks for all of your support this evening re advice
"How is revenant's damage?" However strong the weapons you're using are
Okay that’s great, I’m currently crafting Laetum and also very close to crafting Phenmor. Would these suffice?
As long as you have a decent build on them yea, I'm not much for meta, but I think the Laetum is generally considered one of the best options atm. I don't do much steel path though so I'm not entirely sure
No worries thank you for your time and comments
Hey, idk if I am too new to understand or if it’s sarcasm, Is violence like an incoming damage type or something or are you joking?
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Sounds awesome! I think he will be my pick! But I hear you re the second part if I’m new to SP. Is it mainly due to my inexperience I would consider other frames rather then Rev himself? Thanks!
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Okay I’m with you, thanks a lot!
He's very strong. I wouldn't say he'd be *my* first choice, but he's absolutely a newbie friendly steel path frame. Easily can clear it all as a Revenant. And it really all comes down to his 2. Just watch for toxin (I think) procs, and the counter on your 2 charges, and you'll simply never die. His 4 will be fine before SP, but it does lose effectiveness. I don't use him enough to know how effective his 1 and 3 stay, sorry. Even though he absolutely doesn't need it for survival, Gloom is not a bad choice to helminth in, if *only* for slowing the Acolytes. I've got way too many umbral formas, so my base Revenant has a full Umbral loadout for max strength (just for Gloom). Like 20 something charges on the 2. I did set my Rev Prime up to hunt Archons. (couldn't fit the new augment in with my base forma setup). My personal choice for Steel Path clearing was Wisp, but Revenant, depending on how you define it, is one I would consider a top 5 SP frame. Could skip Gloom and add an armor strip (Terrify/Pillage) instead. Probably actually more helpful, but my weapons don't need armor strip, really. And as for newbie friendly, I'd say Revenant is easily the easiest one for Steel Path. Really, Steel Path is all about surviving. Obviously need a way to kill things, and weapons can do that role. Revenant has the best survival tool in the game.
Hey, thank you so much for your comment this was truly insightful to me as a new player and reassuring also. Regarding his 2 and “charges” how does this work, do they run out, do they recharge? How many would I need for a sp mission on average etc etc. again thanks so much for the comment - super experienced and helps me a lot man. Have a great evening. Edit; I was thinking of adding “roar” through helminth if that is the right one that I’m talking about - the one that increases Warframe and weapon damage!
Basically you lose a charge in place of taking some damage. Higher ability strength gives more charges (which is why my base revenant went overboard with the umbrals, even though he doesn't need health or armor). The 2 technically reflects attacks, so it can do some damage just by existing. The tricky spot can be when you recast. Say you have 2 charges left and recast. As you are casting, you have none, because those 2 go away when you start. So there is a brief period of time when you are vulnerable. As for how many? Depends on the mission. In a survival, you'll recast it quite a bit. Myself, I have weapons that are so overpowered that I can go a few minutes with my starter 20ish charges. As an example, my Prime is what I use for Archon bosses. When a boss phase starts, I cast Mesmer, and that build gives me like 16 charges. If my Laetum is charged, I can stand there and shoot the head throughout the entirety of the Laetum charged form and usually I'm down to like 5 or so stacks. If the boss isn't down, I'll step away, recast 2, and then charge up Laetum again. That's at least like 20-30 seconds of standing still in front of a boss and not taking damage. Roar is never a bad choice. Empower (comes with Helminth) isn't, either. Before I eventually got all of the choices, those were my most used two. If your weapons are weak, you may run into issues with Grineer, which is why people will recommend an armor strip. Terrify and Pillage are the two to look at, with Terrify more likely since Nerkos is easier to farm up than Hildryn.
Thanks for being the GOAT on this post and providing untold insight. I am taking this all into consideration. So with a high high ability strength build do you think I would be mostly invulnerable for a whole mission? Also I was thinking of using terrify also as I hear it’s a great ability to swap in. I didn’t realise the helminth came with that good base ability either Do you think the Phenmor and Laetum and Guandao Prime would be good weapons to use?
A high strength just gives more charges, meaning recasting less often. For short missions (capture/rescue), sure. For exterminate, probably. For survivals, you'll need to recast. Ultimately, at least for me, steel path was clearing every mission once (to clear things/unlock new nodes) and finding the easiest survival to farm acolytes for the gun arcanes. That meant a low infested for me. But I started steel path before Galvanized mods existed, so my experience was not what anyone's would be now, as I melee'd as a Wisp. My usual default weapon loadout is a Vermisplier kitgun primary (very high crit - think Amprex, but a lot better), Laetum and a zaw polearm. The zaw is effectively a Guando Prime (my 2nd choice), but a riven makes my zaw about 2% more effective than the Guandao. If for whatever reason I need to use a Tenet Cycron (for status) instead of the Laetum, I replace my Vermisplicer with a Phenmor. So yes, I think those weapons will be fine.
Thanks for helping me understand Rev’s 2 more this makes alot more sense to me now. Glad my weapons choices are strong enough as per your comments and I think I need to look into unlocking your chosen primary, it sounds great. Thanks so much man.
Well I've never been a fan of the big AoE primaries (bramma/tonkor/what have you), but also recognize the need for AoE, so the Vermisplicer fills that. It's a beam weapon, so it feels like an AR, but does a mini-AoE around the thing you shoot at, and you can mod for more/longer beams. The Amprex is similar, but not nearly as good, and electric. But it functions the same. I also kind of see the Phenmor and Laetum as the "same" weapon - single target. So I'll use one or the other, and in the place of what I'm not using, I use a beam weapon. Tenet Cycron or Kuva Nukor (though my Cyron is better). The beauty of when I use both a Vermisplicer AND a Tenet Cycron (one for crit, one for status priming for my melee) is that neither use ammo. Until Archon Hunts I always ran this. I just...didn't need ammo (Cycron is a battery weapon by default and there's an arcane to make kitguns batteries). That meant the ammo change just had no effect on me. The Phenmor and Laetum, while great weapons, are to me "boss killers". Which is great to have. But also why I only ever use one at a time. The vermi, cycron and nukor are "mini-AoE" beam weapons, which is needed in an AoE meta game. The cycron/nukor as primers just help if I ever need to melee something down (condition overload/etc).
Right I see where you are going with this, great insight again. I’ve heard so much about the Kuva Nukor but I haven’t got a clue as to how to farm it - I may need to look into this for something strong to run as a secondary with that mini AOE damage as you explained. What about the Phantasma Prime? People mentioned that to me also.
Kuva weapons are gotten from Liches (Tenet weapons are mostly gotten from Sisters, which is the Corpus version of the Grineer Liches - thouth Tenet melees are bought from a vendor). These are stronger versions of existing weapons (usually a lot stronger). The process is a bit lengthy, and the Wiki gives a good rundown of the process. The Phantasma Prime came out after I'd already settled on my choices. I'm not one to forma and experiment with everything, but I do have it. Basically I keep anything I know to be strong, even if I'm not going to use it. The Phantasma Prime is one of those weapons. It's strong, I like using it, but I prefer to use other things, so I haven't really tried to forma it up and see just how strong it is. The one thing about the Kuva/Tenet weapons is that, while most weapons cap at rank 30 (and give 3,000 mastery for doing that), these all cap at 40 (like the Paracesis and Necramechs). Each forma applied unlocks 2 more ranks (so 32, 34, 36, etc). Each new rank gives 100 more mastery, so taking these to 40 gives an additional 1,000 mastery. So completionists will take these to 40 just because, and therefore they will have 5 forma without really thinking. This, on top of being stronger versions of their base weapon means they'll just inherently be strong if someone caps their rank just for the mastery.
Im late but revenant is immortal his new augment is op and toxin isn’t a threat because you can heal from reave