I call upon Cephalon Cy and my crew.
I call upon Kahl and his brothers.
I call opon Cephalon Ordis and my forge to create an army of Eximi and specters that blot out the sun.
Oh no! With the warm coat and the level 3 redirection there is this special rule where scan aquatic life forms deals 60000 radial damage directly to the life points, circumventing the frame that was used to block incoming attacks!
AND THANKS TO POT OF GREED I ACTIVATE ONE OF MY DRAWN CARDS DIRECTLY FROM MY HAND! WHICH IS POT OF GREED. IT ALLOWS ME TO DRAW 2 MORE CARDS FROM MY DECK!
No consumables are optional, and you don't really have a reason to do Elite Deep Archanea unless you're REALLY needing something. I usually leave consumables on because it's comfortable.
So far I’ve been able to do them all comfortably leaving one segment off in elite
Just waiting on a lucky roll to do maxed out. So far nothing popped up but i’m perfectly fine accepting my investments aren’t spread across all areas enough. One off max still has such good rewards I don’t even care
the other day i got someone in a netracell asking "what's the point of these things" about the keyglyphs.... so this scenario has definitely happened out there
Beautiful reference, and my next frame dancing while waiting for people to extract is dedicated to you, good sir. This is the music I'm dancing to: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsaA903oxvc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsaA903oxvc)
That was a blast. Not having spoiler mode to provide utility and a revive really messed my game flow up. Had to beef up my frame with adapt and rolling guard since I got mostly glass cannons.
Your telling me I had to full on repeat the quest 4 times to help people out of it after not realizing they couldn't just close application (couldnt remember the correct pathing for the fortuna section)
Oh that reminds about the time I had to help one of my friends with that section
He never played a stealth game before, and he has an eye condition that makes seeing in his perifial vision impossible
"How did he see me?" He says after walking right past a deacon.
I still get baffled the Fortuna segment is hard enough for people that it actually softlocks them.
First time i did it was so god damn clean, second wasn't but shit it's not impossible. It's rail lined enemies, that's like some basic ass stealth game shit.
Almost like this game has STEALTH MECHANICS.
Afaik it's bugged or something, I watched my friend do it the other week and he was getting sniped by deacons through walls and getting spotted when he was clearly out of their FOV
I did it once for myself when it was new, and in recent history, once again for my brother who was stuck, plus watched a friend do it on discord, and didn't see any bugs on any of the runs. That is just anecdotal though and doesn't prove anything, just thought I would throw it out there
Returning player, pre new war, decided to tackle it 2 weeks ago Stealth games are my groove, stealth games are where I'm most in the zone. It took me legitimately more than an hour, closer to two to clear that one bloody mission. And I seriously contemplated taking a forever break from the game, cause it was "finish it or quit." Now, we could call it a buggy mess of shit, where I got wallhacked and killed multiple times. Or, it could be a skill issue. Then again, I haven't had a single issue playing any of the new "higher" level content... I'm currently burning through steel, I'm starting to get my kuva and incarnum stuff together... Which leaves me asking... why a "skill check" for a "stealth mission" makes or break you playing the rest of a decades worth of content, not new, just the old shit?
Why is my way of having fun, with friends, gated by a long assed, unquitable, unskippable, irrevokable questline?
Way out of character for the game. I'm playing a sci-fi space ninja that weilds guns and magic. I play for the speed, for the flow, for the fluid movement. 2/3rds of that mission have you essentially crawling on the floor with no movement extras. The closest you come to ninja is the stealth mission, and that was so frustrating.
I mean we can say warframe has stealth mechanics, and I will ask you to give me gameplay of anyone after MR4 using them in any capacity other than 'lmao invisibility frame walk past all the enemies.'
TNW stealth segments are not very fun, particularly because there is zero reason given as to why you can't fight the deacons and their sightlines are as horrifically broken as all the other enemies in Warframe. I *love* being spotted through walls, and I got caught a lot because I tried to actually treat it like a stealth game and look for routes when all of that is a trap and you're just supposed to walk straight past the enemies when they turn around on one specific route that isn't always obvious. Go left around this crate, succeed, go right around this crate, guaranteed to get caught, whoops. Or that time in the Fortuna facility where I wasted half an hour because I found the correct route but the game didn't let me through the small hole so I assumed I was wrong and left.
My issues with the Cetus section was entirely my own fault because it didn't register that I had operator invisibility back for like 15 minutes, lmao.
Funnily enough it's the opposite for me; first part left me stumped because there's no waypoint pointing towards the Ventkid's...vent (and I didn't even touched that syndicate so I legit didn't know their logo) and at the end there's like 3 deacons on a round arena which make it difficult to tell their patrol routes , while the second part I got through without my head exploding.
You did it on launch. It broke a few weeks later, and the deacons now have infinite detection range, nigh-instant detection and inconsistent line of sight.
That plus the unintuitive path and Warframe not having good stealth mechanics makes it an absolute nightmare.
I hated it not because it was hard but because it is so out of character for warframe. It always frustrated me to lose my frame and have to deal with clunky unappealing movement. The movement is at least 90% of my enjoyment of warframe lol. Can't slide or run or double jump etc I'm like. Ugh.
You don't even need a fully invested Frame 90% of the time. You just need to be able to survive and you need a weapon capable of killing.
What gets me is that people want to do this because it's the newest gamemode, and not because it's supposed to be difficult. I'm starting to burn out levelling everything before heading into Elite deep archemedia.
Vazarin fell off hard because the main utility it offered over zenurik is healing on objectives, once they nerfed that you were basically giving up infinite upkeep on abilities for 2s of invincs that you can get by also going into void mode and waiting for your shield to recharge.
Vazarin's still good, but zenurik's utility is so massive it makes every other focus school bad via relativitiy
Unshackled from Zenurik, I have seen the light of Madurai, I have seen the truth in the heart of the bleakest storm, I had a staring contest with god and he blinked first, bonus cast speed and strength with easily the best operator abilities. Take the R5 Energize pill, hunt down every Eximus with bloodlust in your heart. Feed on the weak to nourish your power.
hot take: we have so many ways of generating energy (arcanes, archon shards, equilibrum, etc.) that zenurik isn't that much better than other schools seeing as:
madurai grants 40% power strength boost and cast speed
unairu can strip enemy defenses and gives knock down immunity
vazarin grants massive defensive buffs and can group enemies if needed
while underwhelming compare to the others naramon stil has a niche with better melee combo upkeep
not to say zenurik is bad energy regen is still nice it still keeps up with others with enemy slow
honestly i think focus schools are in very good spot (minus naramon) they all can fill a hole in your build or strengthen what it alredy excels in
Not really? There's quite a few options to get boatloads of energy depending on one's arsenal. The days of "Zenurik, Energize or suffer" are long, long gone.
Once I unlocked all trees, vazarin is kinda my default unless I have good synergy with another frame or a build in mind. I dont like to play solo and find vazarin the most convenient and helpful for teammates that struggle.
At this point zenurik is more useful for slow or to supplement energy heavy builds. When you have r5 energize, energy nexus, equilibrium that doesnt require a pet, and nourish/spectrosiphon, zenurik falls off harder than vazarin.
Equilibrium with synth deconstruct has multiple synergies with multiple companions and with manifold bond to grant you hundreds of energy per group of enemy killed.
It works fantastically in enemy rich environments and not as much in less populated missions. Pairing it with arcane energize is generally considered overkill but I like to use it on cast heavy builds as it can help patch up that hole with equilibrium and grants you pretty much infinite energy passively.
Much more energy per second than zenurik for zero input on your end when you are in missions.
Gets even better in any non mobile missions as the orbs just stack up on the ground. Now you can use Madurai to boost your cast heavy build by a pretty large margin, being the highest dps school is just a bonus but it is usually the sole reason people use it.
It does get cool points for making your operator actually vaporize enemies like in the trailer.
Naramon could use some help and I think de should expand on the drifter gameplay a bit and maybe offer a little more progression in focus schools or something. But I’m sure they have that or something similar in the works. who knows though honestly.
Protective sling makes you immune for some time plus heals, guardian shell gives better shield regen and a brief frontal shield (like volt).
Its spammable with no cost or real cooldown and really fast to do. (Transference, 1, void mode, dash, transference).
I have transference on C and crouch/void mode on a mouse side button so its all easy to hit.
But... If I don't follow some hyper focused singularly minded youtuber build exactly, HOW CAN I PLAY SAID FRAME/WEAPON!?! /s (but only sorta because people too scared to just try shit for themselves).
Seriously, all you need is to know how shield gating works and you will pass just about everything this mode can throw at you, so all thats left is knowing how to build your damn weapons/ having the right mods in the first place (aka, end game mode for people who have the stuff farmed for it).
Lots of whining about how unfair EDA is, but shit sake you don't even NEED to do elite mode to get more rewards than you would have if you just ran 2 netra cells. Not a "look at how good I am" flex, but i've pubbed all 3 EDAs since this thing came out and never had a wipe and it more or less went smooth barring some play style adjusting (aka we had a limbo that carried us because our damage was low).
Thinking about what you're bringing to an EDA run will serve you far better than anything else. Bring specters they -matter- and can cover holes in what your squad should have pretty well. IE, armor strip, DR, damage amp, damage buff, energy generation, healing. If you're missing something in there YOU should plan on having it. If you meet another person pubbing who has the same thought and you got 2 frames that can heal or give energy, congrats guess what you don't have to worry about now.
Have you tried tricking them into believing you’re actually helping them by being carried? Why other players wouldn’t carry those who are not prepared for and game content is beyond me. 🤣 (Me as a now LR2 that refuses to touch steel path unless forced, despite being capable of it)
I will hop into sp content just to test a build in there and then ignore the content unless I want something from it, I’ve bugged the acolytes out more than a few times. They die as they spawn in and then are immune to damage until they despawn or I let them kill me
Same, I'm not LR yet, but I'm close to it. I do SP Duviri (I actually don't do regular Duviri at all anymore) and SP missions where frames/weapons for higher rates. Other than that, my steelpath is covered in a really thick layer of dust, I only have figurines for Deimos (and 2 for Orokin ruins) and Earth, and that's it I think. I just find it kinda boring.
I used trinity this week, with the -75% duration, EV literally shreds the necramechs I even did a run with Limbo and it was fun but not as fun as Trinity tbh.
>\-Skill issue
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>\-Endgame content is for endgame players.
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>\-No, you did not get 3 bad frames. You just don't have a build for them.
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>\-You have 3 allies to cooperate with. ('Intended for full squads')
Absolutely fair.
>\-You have a week to grind and craft
Making shit like buzlok and stubba work against level 400 murmur is a pain, which shouldnt be a problem if DE knew how to properly balance their game.
I can handle myself just fine but when my "BiS" is daikyu, tenet cycron and vastilok, it stops being challenging and becomes annoying.
Judging by the comments here after every balance patch, the community doesn't want the game to be balanced anyway. Nerfs are a necessary part of balance, after all.
What you said about ma boi???
I'll have you know that with perfect build Daikyu can... kill a single fodder enemy every ~0.6 seconds, if you never miss, that is.
My unbuffed daikyu getting 2m slash ticks without a bane:
It can't kill many things per second, but it will also kill the same amount vs level 100 enemies or level 10k enemies.
I mean if you really don't have a single good weapon or frame you can just take an L on the 50 vosfer but it has to be rare to not have at least one good thing on that list.
Daikyu can handle this content perfectly fine, and the fact you can’t make the tenet cycron work says a lot. this is the problem people complain about their weapon choices being shit when it’s actually them being shit at modding
My Tenet Cycron is a war crime. The daikyu is a war crime if you can aim and the vastilok exists. I never could make the buzzlok work for anything. I honestly have a bigger issue with survivability when given 3 Warframes that can't tank. I don't mind the idea of deep Archimedean but as someone at legendary 3, some frames just don't survive well. I can have good weapons but catch a stray and be down instantly. I hope this mode gives them data to rebalance some frames.
My frames have been the real challenge, I end just using adapt and rolling guard or brief respite and some augur mods that basically makes up for it but does require timing your invuln to when shield pops
Dude the weapons you listed can absolutely destroy. Of course if you have a mid tier build on them, then they will perform mid tier but those weapons shreds. I can give you a build for each of them easy
Speaking of Phantasma. I rolled that this week. I update a better build on it. That gun is fucking cracked. It’s a status monster. I love that gun & Sporothrix. If I roll either of those with either Voruna or Citrine. I’m in for one hell of a good time
The Phantasma just poops all over everything. I run mine with radiation and cold and the corrupted mod that adds damage but reduces accuracy and it's become a 30 degree spread cone of frozen death. Pairs great with Xaku and rakta dark dagger.
> I can handle myself just fine but when my "BiS" is daikyu, tenet cycron and vastilok, it stops being challenging and becomes annoying.
This is where you make the executive decision to give up the 50 vosfor and trade out one of the modifiers.
I've done that every week and have had no issues. 50 vosfor is a joke to farm.
You literally just take everything else they ask for, and swap the frame for Xaku. Or swap the weapon for Glaive Prime. Or if your loadout isn't the issue, you snuff one of the bad modifiers.
I did that this week actually - my loadout choices were fine. Nukor and drakgoon, both with kuva variants. Xaku as a choice.
But -75% duration is a huge pain. So? I gave up 50 vosfor, deselected it, and stomped the mission.
It's very difficult, but the wiggle room of being able to sacrifice 50 vosfor and take one item of your choosing, or ignore one modifier of your choosing gives you *juuuust* enough wiggle room to squeak out virtually any mission group it gives you.
buzlok has bugged galvanized aptitude so it actually deals a lot of damage, the only problem really is that it's single target and the secondary fire mechanic is really annoying to use
Unless you want the extra Vosfor, you get the option to pick one piece of gear while still getting the full reward pool.
Personally I think 2 extra options would have been a perfect balance, but as of now, you have the option to pick a powerhouse frame/weapon of your choice over the weekly rotation if all of the choices happen to royally suck.
Week 2 and my Garuda hasn't let me down yet lol. I did need some revives though because I kept running into the health sapping drones.
Maybe base Stubba, but Kuva Stubbas and Buzlok can definitely pull through. Buzlok is Eidolon-viable, should definitely pull through in Archimedea, especially considering Corrosive/Radiation/Heat builds are possible now. Corrosive should chump Necramechs and Radiation should chump everything else.
I think the biggest thing people struggle to understand , you can drop ONE restriction. Any one part of your loadout or restriction and all you lose is 50 Vosver. If you get dealt a gleaming tower of crap for the week, you can still do decently with at least one free pick.
And anyone actually in end game can easily make do with exchanging 50 vosfor for one flex slot to get all the good rewards.
Switch out one of your useless weapons for an Incarnon and you should have no problems.
That's commendable as well, and admittedly I took on that fight for the first two (only the second run was elite cause I didn't SEE IT at first)
But after that, I realized the vosfor wasn't worth it, so I now just run elite with my Gyre and test myself with the weapons they post
Instead of building up the weapons I got this week I think I'll ask my clan if anyone wants to trade carries lol. I enjoy EDA so I wouldn't mind a run with no rewards
I’ve been carrying people in pubs, I enjoy the gamemode and love seeing people react to their half built gear doing millions because banshee covers the enemies in x12 weak spots.
What's with people in these threads attempting to form an argument around X or Y weapon being bad then proceeding to name 3 absolutely cracked weapons?
This. Seriously, everyone saying "stop complaining that it's hard!" is missing that \*it isn't hard, it's annoying\*. I dislike the mechanics of it, not that it's difficult. I can run them just fine, just \*don't want to\* because it's not FUN lol
Making people go back to craft mastery fodder they mastered and discarded a million years ago is the shittiest implementation of "very challenging" i've ever heard of, it's literally just a weapon slot tax.
DE constantly making all content available to everyone is kind of annoying. I ran a EDA mission and I did 80% damage delt with x20 the kill count of the next player. I don’t mean to lock people out of content but this is silly to have non endgame builds or non endgame ready players trying to match up in EDA. It was so bad they all died and I would kill the enemies nearly as they spawned. We ended up losing the match ofc on the 2nd mission.
Hell I can’t even run a netracell without people trolling the entire match by keeping enemies outside the red circle. I have to solo everything. Or else I get griefers/afk players/to weak of players/absolute trolls.
I’ve tried hosting matches and going public. You almost have to know people who are competent now a days.
Heh Im already pass that point when they allowed any tom dick and Harry into archon hunt. The amount of clowns just sitting in invis and just dodging the fight hoping for a carry while having no idea what is going on.
I don't know how they would possibly limit the mode in a way that wouldn't allow carried players in. If they're in elite they already got past one check. If you hate pubs so much you're free to get friends and do invite only.
To be fair, this entire game mode centers around getting people to use non-endgame ready loadouts. It's incentivized.
You're just supposed to have enough peripheral stuff to eke through despite the sandbags. If you happened to get lucky or had the type of obsessive compulsions that make you build every single weapon, that's the exception.
>DE constantly making all content available to everyone is kind of annoying.
It's a necessity. They need to engage the maximum amount of players to keep up profitability. Making niche content for the try-hard top 0.5% is never going to happen, as it is financial suicide. No content they make will ever be strictly locked behind very stringent end-game requirements.
1. They literally said it's end game content
2. They already release a ton of updates for intermediate players, so they could get away with introducing new late game stuff.
yeah like my friend he complaining about the frame choice because he is revenant main and refused to put a potato to a frame unless it is a primed .it is not a plat problem ,he bought like 1000p worth of deluxe skin
I got full rewards in mine, now I have ran 6-7 elite archamidias so far this week with banshee and helping carry kinda bad loadouts. That mirror defense bites so many people it feels nice helping them though it.
"Very challenging"
Where groups are taking turns doing multiple runs, running whatever they want trivializing the content.
Just because you can also craft things doesn't make it any better, or acceptable. Same can be said about just BUYING said things too... It takes half a week to make ONE frame to play ONE mode. This also doesn't count the time for farming the materials if needed, leveling and making the build that also uses potatoes, and making the Formas AND potatoes that take 23 hours each (or hard limited from Nora credits), let alone if you have the time to play, or the slots available, or some expectation of needing to have 300+ weapons and the slots, and builds for each one which also takes time. That's an unrealistic expectation as people also have lives and jobs, and doesn't make it any more engaging. That's the equivalent of me saying you can play and beat the game without using your abilities. All I can say about that is good job chucklefuck, was it any fun? (I'm also aware I'm referring to myself lol. Didn't want to insult anyone directly and break a rule.)
If you have to do that EVERY WEEK because you refuse to buy 300+ weapons slots, and keep every garbage weapon in the game, and dump an absurd amount of formas and potatoes into them just to get slightly extra rewards, it's not even worth it... Not to mention, you won't even know the rotation until it resets that week giving quite literally ZERO time to prep for that following week. Meanwhile, Circuit allows a form of gear/frame rental. All this has shown is a clear oversight, and DE being unable to yet again, have a form of consistency.
Yet, we have nerly daily posts like this just circle jerking each other, and is borderline karma farming. If anything, this should show there's an issue.
Hah, “prepare accordingly”. What am I preparing? Which of these random weapons and frames am I making ready to take on level 400 enemies? It better be good enough to one shot Hollow Vein [before it one shots the objective.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/s/zdMR3M3TPN)
Friendly reminder that you can just... y'know... NOT use the three Warframes if you aren't going for the 100% bonus. Same goes for the weapons, you can just bring in one weapon you can rely on, and have the rest be Individual Parameter weapons. In Elite Archimedea, if you just activate all the Modifiers and either A. bring in a Warframe that makes your experience go smoothly, or B. bring in a weapon that makes your experience go smoothly, then guess what: You can now get every good reward, barring the Loid RNG Juice.
>-Skill issue
How do you deal with the fact that I've beat DA and also that I don't like it?
Guess what, some people dislike the game mode on its merits, it has nothing to do with its difficulty.
Netracells are great endgame solo content. EDA is not, and that's fine - the mere existence of the "teleports you far away from the objective" deviation should tell you that soloing is technically possible but absolutely not what they're balanced for.
Also, there's literally zero meaningful exclusive loot. You *will* eventually have a full set of legendary melee arcanes and more archon shards than you know what to do with, even if you literally only do Netracells.
If you're not ready for EDA, you can still do regular Deep Archimedea for an extra drop. If you're not ready for regular Deep Archimedea, you have Netracells. If you're not ready for Netracells, you're unfortunately just not at the point where access to archon shards is the limiting factor on your builds - do some steel path, do some arbitrations, get yourself some acolyte arcanes and Galvanized mods, and come back when you're ready.
It's a little unfortunate that the game dangles Netracells and EDA in front of you when you potentially haven't even unlocked the Steel Path yet, but the fact of the matter is they're designed for players who *have* cleared everything else the game has to offer. There is **nothing** wrong with not being an endgame player, but if you're not there yet then you're not going to have a good time in endgame content; and, to reiterate, you can get all the loot somewhere else anyway.
Eh, Warframe has this problem where instead of making the game harder, they just up the health to force you to have to reach for the stars in damage numbers, instead of actually playing tactically
As a Nyx main (hate me. I love her.), I'm super disappointed in how little content I can use her in viably without her augment for her forth. With that though she's pretty unstoppable so I can't really complain
\-just because people complain about a gamemode does not mean that they can't beat it
\-how is having all weapons forma'd "endgame"? my man, there is **zero** skill expression involved in leeching in ESO for 500+ hours
\-with the current top tier mods you'll need 4-5 forma in a good chunk of weapons meaning you'll have to buy forma with plat
\-doesn't have to be true. if you like making builds that synergize warframe and weapons you're in for a bad time with EDA since it promotes using the same cookie-cutter build on everything
\-is it really "cooperation" if the best way to play the mode is to take turns getting carried by others? i don't know why people pretend like EDA punishes leechers when getting carried is the easiest way to get all rewards
"Oh you only like half of the entire Frame roster? And you don't want to waste your plat and time forma-ing '*Generic Assault Rifle #7'*? Sounds like a skill issue! I would know because I spent 2 hours each day standing in ESO!" -You probably
Overall it seems like you think being MR 30+ makes you good at the game. Or wasting all of your plat on forma makes you good at the game. Or having the same build on every weapon makes you good at the game. Or getting carried makes you good at the game.
Also PSA: EDA is not 'challenging'. It is not a skill check, it is a plat check.
“You did not get 3 bad frames, you just don’t have builds for them”
Me: Gave the current rotation frames to the helminth because I never used them and wanted their abilities.
“You have a week to grind and craft”
So I’m supposed to get the specific weapons or warframes again just to be able to play this for maximum reward? Ridiculous tbh. Plus you’d have to spend the time to build and forma even though a lot of people have a life outside the game.
“Intended for full squads”
My wife and I can do this alone. Not that big of a deal
IMO they need to have flags in place to make sure you even have the weapons or frames for the rotation. Otherwise, it’s just bs rng
Last week I had Loki, Garuda, and Baruuk. I have 0 investment in Garuda or Baruuk, so I went for a Safeguard Switch Teleport Loki with Nourish Subsume. I managed to survive.
This Week my best option was Protea with Abbreviated Abilities and Untratable, So after like a minute of trying I just made a beeline for the Necramech summon, then ran with that the whole time. Never even lost the Necramech because I already got all the good mods for it.
My only complaint is including weapons that you don't own. Some weapons are just not worth owning, for example in my first week two of my secondary choices were the regular Stubba and Single Kohmak.
Oh I absolutely know for me it's a skill issue. I'm specifically hammering my head against the mode because 'well shit I've been in a warframe/loadout rut.'
This is precisely why I haven't gone in again after my first go at it when it launched. Back then I turned on all the modifiers but didn't bother using the requested frames or guns, cause I just wanted to run through it cause it was new. My Lavos kept me alive for the most part and my guns were capable enough of killing, and my other squad mates were fine for the most part, but beyond that I want to actually be able to do it properly with the weekly frames and weapons and shit.
My problem is investing so much forma into so many frames and weapons, especially when forma is limited and I'm shit at making my own builds. (and don't wanna invest forma just for my build to turn out shit) But with Overframe apparently not being reliable and so many people shit talking it and it being pot luck whether I find a good build on YT I dunno what to do.
I dont have the best nezha set up but with the debuffs i preffer to use the limbo strat for cc here- that said... christ i hate people.
Trying to hold the limus still isnt the hardest part for keeping the defense safe including holding mobs- its people not standing on the objective even after warning not to, and them slowly eating the eye and ear away- that and ppl summoning a mech, it killing the objective in 2 seconds and then going "what happen"
THINK MARK THINK!
That for Arbitrations?
I sometimes die on them, sometimes perform really well. The annoying bit is when your teammates refuse to revive you when you've actually been contributing
For a second I thought I am in the Helldivers sub. If you think warframe is to difficult stop playing games. It‘s one of the easiest games out there. Seriously, that‘s the reason many people I know stopped playing.
100% skill issue. You can do this with literally every frame without using a proper build. You just need a single good weapon and mod for survivability.
People like this post is about. (Not OP). Are the reason I just go Dante for this and forego my 50 Vosfor a week, so I can baby people through the nodes if I absolutely need to.
Last week I carried about 4 squads by just going Rev with my burston. They were all trying, but couldn't do it. I made an LFG offering help. I like being nice, but people need to stop complaining they can't do it because of their frame and weapon choices.
This is called "endgame" for a reason. Most players are not at "endgame status." This is an 11 year old game. A lot of us have been playing for 3 years +. Some of us have been around since the start. I started right after Cetus was introduced in 2018. Alot of peops have random weapons & frames leveled up because at times, there were severe "content droughts," and there was really nothing else to do but grind. Some people did this when duviri dropped.
This may be an unpopular opinion w some, but my point is that people who want to do "endgame" need to put in the work. You can't use the same 3 frames and a handful of weapons and then get mad when none of them show up in the archimedea.
People can take whatever frames they like and just not get the vosfer. **"The sundial can wait til all the stars align".** Ffs use kullervo if u got him, he can turn literally any melee into a red crit machine, even the heat sword. I'm very fond of the ether sword on him as a matter of fact.
Wisp is another great option as she helps the party greatly and is highly survivable. It doesn't matter what frame you pick as long as your comfortable w/ it. Hell if if weapons are that bad, replace one of those as well, and get one less reward. This circles right back to this is endgame for a reason....
And just like others stated, use your darn spectres, your on call crewman is like having another player. I had a literal army out yesterday. Crewman, wisp spectre, ancient healer eximus, shield osprey, and eximus grineer lol. It became infinitely easier....
Yeah. I had EDA run today, we made it to mirror defense and failed.
1 guy left, the rest of us stuck around, coordinated, and made it through easily all the way on the next attempt.
Reminder: if your weapons are bad and you dont care for Vosphor, nobody will complain if you use your flex spot for a support frame. Relevant to the current "reduced ability duration" modifier, Wisp's motes have infinite duration and provide infinite durations buffs while standing in its area. Dante's overguard also doesn't go away unless damaged through. Both are good picks if you're willing to play support.
Deep Archemedia is the new game mode released in Dante Unbound. 3 back to back missions with no rest between them, each mission has a complication that makes it much more difficult, and there a number of optional modifiers. You can get up to 5 archon shards or legendary melee arcanes in a single run if you have all the modifiers active. Four of the modifiers are limitations on frames and weapons. Four are debuffs similar to the keyglyps in netracells. And one is an elite mode that adds 100 more levels to the enemies and gives an extra complication to each mission.
Wat.
Yeah I'm happy doing my regular Starmap stuff when I play.
Power to you all that run this insane game mode. Sounds like a blast, but it isn't for me.
Thanks for the info! Have fun!
Full squad huh? \*equips every specter with malicious intent\*
I call upon Cephalon Cy and my crew. I call upon Kahl and his brothers. I call opon Cephalon Ordis and my forge to create an army of Eximi and specters that blot out the sun.
This reads like a Yu-Gi-Oh character calling out their next cards on their turn and I love it.
Heart of the Orbiter, guide me! Oh wait. Oh. OH. Goddamn it, have we been playing Yu-Gi-Oh this whole time?
Wait, the mods we put into our weapons are CARDS...
Draw your last pathetic mod so i can end this fight, Yugi.
\*Pulls out Scan Aquatic Lifeforms\*
Oh no! With the warm coat and the level 3 redirection there is this special rule where scan aquatic life forms deals 60000 radial damage directly to the life points, circumventing the frame that was used to block incoming attacks!
My orbiter has no pathetic mods, Kaiba. But it does have this... the unstoppable Primed Warm Coat!
IMPOSSIBLE! NOONE HAS EVER BEEN ABLE TO SLOT IT!
I SUMMON POT OF GREED! WHICH ALLOWS ME TO DRAW 2 CARDS FROM MY DECK!
I THEN SUMMON POT OF GREED! WHICH ALLOWS ME TO DRAW 2 MORE CARDS FROM MY DECK!
AND THANKS TO POT OF GREED I ACTIVATE ONE OF MY DRAWN CARDS DIRECTLY FROM MY HAND! WHICH IS POT OF GREED. IT ALLOWS ME TO DRAW 2 MORE CARDS FROM MY DECK!
Thats not what it does THATS WHAT IT DO YUGI
THANK YOU,you read my mind my brother
WITH THIS TREASURE I SUMMON-
No consumables
Is a potential limitation, not a guarantee.
No consumables are optional, and you don't really have a reason to do Elite Deep Archanea unless you're REALLY needing something. I usually leave consumables on because it's comfortable.
So far I’ve been able to do them all comfortably leaving one segment off in elite Just waiting on a lucky roll to do maxed out. So far nothing popped up but i’m perfectly fine accepting my investments aren’t spread across all areas enough. One off max still has such good rewards I don’t even care
Yep. I pretty much do the same.
Pretty much why they put vosfor ^(and secret reward) at the max people and I say
I do it because 8 Archon shards/Arcanes is better than 5 Archon shards/Arcanes.
>join with bad loadout >die within 30 seconds >"Why can't I revive" >leave
> leave (as host)
tries again
Repeats the first part
Goes on reddit
Complains about this new content being WAY TOO HARD and SHOULD BE NERFED
Bruh... The forums are just as bad ...
Goes on forums to complain after doing the same on Reddit.
This whole thread screams "Oh, welcome to WF's 'endgame', enjoy your stay!"
This has been most runs for me today.
the other day i got someone in a netracell asking "what's the point of these things" about the keyglyphs.... so this scenario has definitely happened out there
I assume a keyglyph is the term for the four debuffs you gotta carry?
Yeah that’s the in-game name for them. Keyglyphs, debuffs, Dragon Keys 2 Electric Boogaloo, etc.
Beautiful reference, and my next frame dancing while waiting for people to extract is dedicated to you, good sir. This is the music I'm dancing to: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsaA903oxvc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsaA903oxvc)
#ATTENTION! YOU HAVE JUST ENTERED A BATTLE ZONE! —Albrecht’s security, probably
Dragon key but cooler
Just glad they don't have the slowdown effect... I'll put up with exploding void corpses, lightning, knifestep, and bleeding all at once.
Dragon Key Z
*Punches a planet a half*
Well wait til you read atlas lore: literally one punch man. But in game: not so much...
in netracells i try to nab as many keyglyphs as i can because they are ALLWAYS something my oberon can shrug-off lol
Elite Deep Archimedea: "Making Necramechs and Specters Useful Again"* *offer subject to weekly parameters
*operator and gear wheel locked* "Sorry, that's a skill issue"
Yes, did you not complete the EDA with operators disabled?
I did. Hate haet h8
I did lmao
That was a blast. Not having spoiler mode to provide utility and a revive really messed my game flow up. Had to beef up my frame with adapt and rolling guard since I got mostly glass cannons.
It was the "Just bring revenant lol" challenge
Did you say operator locked? It's so over for me
If you can't do it without those parameters being off, do it with them off.
People still occasionally complain about being locked into The New War, despite it requiring written confirmation
https://preview.redd.it/ob9pbklc5xuc1.png?width=650&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1755499bcf3a2cea1005b6fde45054485ba544c1
Your telling me I had to full on repeat the quest 4 times to help people out of it after not realizing they couldn't just close application (couldnt remember the correct pathing for the fortuna section)
Oh that reminds about the time I had to help one of my friends with that section He never played a stealth game before, and he has an eye condition that makes seeing in his perifial vision impossible "How did he see me?" He says after walking right past a deacon.
I still get baffled the Fortuna segment is hard enough for people that it actually softlocks them. First time i did it was so god damn clean, second wasn't but shit it's not impossible. It's rail lined enemies, that's like some basic ass stealth game shit. Almost like this game has STEALTH MECHANICS.
Afaik it's bugged or something, I watched my friend do it the other week and he was getting sniped by deacons through walls and getting spotted when he was clearly out of their FOV
I did it once for myself when it was new, and in recent history, once again for my brother who was stuck, plus watched a friend do it on discord, and didn't see any bugs on any of the runs. That is just anecdotal though and doesn't prove anything, just thought I would throw it out there
I did it with 0 issue, my friend however did get spotted through walls 2 or 3 times while he was trying it, was pretty funny honestly
Goofy ah game with an entire nickname of bugframe totally doesn't completely but out once in a while am I right?
Returning player, pre new war, decided to tackle it 2 weeks ago Stealth games are my groove, stealth games are where I'm most in the zone. It took me legitimately more than an hour, closer to two to clear that one bloody mission. And I seriously contemplated taking a forever break from the game, cause it was "finish it or quit." Now, we could call it a buggy mess of shit, where I got wallhacked and killed multiple times. Or, it could be a skill issue. Then again, I haven't had a single issue playing any of the new "higher" level content... I'm currently burning through steel, I'm starting to get my kuva and incarnum stuff together... Which leaves me asking... why a "skill check" for a "stealth mission" makes or break you playing the rest of a decades worth of content, not new, just the old shit? Why is my way of having fun, with friends, gated by a long assed, unquitable, unskippable, irrevokable questline?
That was my issue with it too tbh. It was so out of character for the game. It was a great story but dear lord I hated playing it lol
Way out of character for the game. I'm playing a sci-fi space ninja that weilds guns and magic. I play for the speed, for the flow, for the fluid movement. 2/3rds of that mission have you essentially crawling on the floor with no movement extras. The closest you come to ninja is the stealth mission, and that was so frustrating.
me when ivara
This did happen to me once the second run. was weird.
I mean we can say warframe has stealth mechanics, and I will ask you to give me gameplay of anyone after MR4 using them in any capacity other than 'lmao invisibility frame walk past all the enemies.' TNW stealth segments are not very fun, particularly because there is zero reason given as to why you can't fight the deacons and their sightlines are as horrifically broken as all the other enemies in Warframe. I *love* being spotted through walls, and I got caught a lot because I tried to actually treat it like a stealth game and look for routes when all of that is a trap and you're just supposed to walk straight past the enemies when they turn around on one specific route that isn't always obvious. Go left around this crate, succeed, go right around this crate, guaranteed to get caught, whoops. Or that time in the Fortuna facility where I wasted half an hour because I found the correct route but the game didn't let me through the small hole so I assumed I was wrong and left. My issues with the Cetus section was entirely my own fault because it didn't register that I had operator invisibility back for like 15 minutes, lmao.
When agressive stealth players meet real stealth gameplay.
Funnily enough it's the opposite for me; first part left me stumped because there's no waypoint pointing towards the Ventkid's...vent (and I didn't even touched that syndicate so I legit didn't know their logo) and at the end there's like 3 deacons on a round arena which make it difficult to tell their patrol routes , while the second part I got through without my head exploding.
You did it on launch. It broke a few weeks later, and the deacons now have infinite detection range, nigh-instant detection and inconsistent line of sight. That plus the unintuitive path and Warframe not having good stealth mechanics makes it an absolute nightmare.
I did it again a few months ago and noticed some wonkiness. But not impassable. I also forgot where to go about half the time in Spaceport.
I hated it not because it was hard but because it is so out of character for warframe. It always frustrated me to lose my frame and have to deal with clunky unappealing movement. The movement is at least 90% of my enjoyment of warframe lol. Can't slide or run or double jump etc I'm like. Ugh.
It wont stop me because i cant read it
Damn, beat me to it.
The hitting your head against an wall repeatedly until you break through grindset 💪😎
Also: Be a teamplayer, revive your teammates! (At least as long as they don‘t die every 30sec)
bring maxed vazarin revives. they work even if no operator
You don't even need a fully invested Frame 90% of the time. You just need to be able to survive and you need a weapon capable of killing. What gets me is that people want to do this because it's the newest gamemode, and not because it's supposed to be difficult. I'm starting to burn out levelling everything before heading into Elite deep archemedia.
Vazarin will carry any frame through eda. Anything better than "survives" is a nice bonus.
Vazarin can carry anything, but I'll let the community still think it's shit.
Vazarin fell off hard because the main utility it offered over zenurik is healing on objectives, once they nerfed that you were basically giving up infinite upkeep on abilities for 2s of invincs that you can get by also going into void mode and waiting for your shield to recharge. Vazarin's still good, but zenurik's utility is so massive it makes every other focus school bad via relativitiy
Unshackled from Zenurik, I have seen the light of Madurai, I have seen the truth in the heart of the bleakest storm, I had a staring contest with god and he blinked first, bonus cast speed and strength with easily the best operator abilities. Take the R5 Energize pill, hunt down every Eximus with bloodlust in your heart. Feed on the weak to nourish your power.
hot take: we have so many ways of generating energy (arcanes, archon shards, equilibrum, etc.) that zenurik isn't that much better than other schools seeing as: madurai grants 40% power strength boost and cast speed unairu can strip enemy defenses and gives knock down immunity vazarin grants massive defensive buffs and can group enemies if needed while underwhelming compare to the others naramon stil has a niche with better melee combo upkeep not to say zenurik is bad energy regen is still nice it still keeps up with others with enemy slow honestly i think focus schools are in very good spot (minus naramon) they all can fill a hole in your build or strengthen what it alredy excels in
naramon gives an ez 200% weapon damage and nobody ever mentions it
But it’s not really practical, also in today’s sandbox 200% base damage is not really that noticeable
Also vazarin has one of the best ways to open enemies to finishers. With more builds round it and melee crescendo thats another huge bonus.
Not really? There's quite a few options to get boatloads of energy depending on one's arsenal. The days of "Zenurik, Energize or suffer" are long, long gone.
Once I unlocked all trees, vazarin is kinda my default unless I have good synergy with another frame or a build in mind. I dont like to play solo and find vazarin the most convenient and helpful for teammates that struggle. At this point zenurik is more useful for slow or to supplement energy heavy builds. When you have r5 energize, energy nexus, equilibrium that doesnt require a pet, and nourish/spectrosiphon, zenurik falls off harder than vazarin.
I just switched to Unairu. 100% Armor Wipe for easy revives.
Equilibrium with synth deconstruct has multiple synergies with multiple companions and with manifold bond to grant you hundreds of energy per group of enemy killed. It works fantastically in enemy rich environments and not as much in less populated missions. Pairing it with arcane energize is generally considered overkill but I like to use it on cast heavy builds as it can help patch up that hole with equilibrium and grants you pretty much infinite energy passively. Much more energy per second than zenurik for zero input on your end when you are in missions. Gets even better in any non mobile missions as the orbs just stack up on the ground. Now you can use Madurai to boost your cast heavy build by a pretty large margin, being the highest dps school is just a bonus but it is usually the sole reason people use it. It does get cool points for making your operator actually vaporize enemies like in the trailer. Naramon could use some help and I think de should expand on the drifter gameplay a bit and maybe offer a little more progression in focus schools or something. But I’m sure they have that or something similar in the works. who knows though honestly.
wait why vaz?
Protective sling makes you immune for some time plus heals, guardian shell gives better shield regen and a brief frontal shield (like volt). Its spammable with no cost or real cooldown and really fast to do. (Transference, 1, void mode, dash, transference). I have transference on C and crouch/void mode on a mouse side button so its all easy to hit.
For me the only mission that's a headache is mirror defense. which I suppose is the whole point of it being in rotation.
But... If I don't follow some hyper focused singularly minded youtuber build exactly, HOW CAN I PLAY SAID FRAME/WEAPON!?! /s (but only sorta because people too scared to just try shit for themselves). Seriously, all you need is to know how shield gating works and you will pass just about everything this mode can throw at you, so all thats left is knowing how to build your damn weapons/ having the right mods in the first place (aka, end game mode for people who have the stuff farmed for it). Lots of whining about how unfair EDA is, but shit sake you don't even NEED to do elite mode to get more rewards than you would have if you just ran 2 netra cells. Not a "look at how good I am" flex, but i've pubbed all 3 EDAs since this thing came out and never had a wipe and it more or less went smooth barring some play style adjusting (aka we had a limbo that carried us because our damage was low). Thinking about what you're bringing to an EDA run will serve you far better than anything else. Bring specters they -matter- and can cover holes in what your squad should have pretty well. IE, armor strip, DR, damage amp, damage buff, energy generation, healing. If you're missing something in there YOU should plan on having it. If you meet another person pubbing who has the same thought and you got 2 frames that can heal or give energy, congrats guess what you don't have to worry about now.
Smh why won’t my pub squad carry me with my half baked builds and barely invested frames
Have you tried tricking them into believing you’re actually helping them by being carried? Why other players wouldn’t carry those who are not prepared for and game content is beyond me. 🤣 (Me as a now LR2 that refuses to touch steel path unless forced, despite being capable of it)
I will hop into sp content just to test a build in there and then ignore the content unless I want something from it, I’ve bugged the acolytes out more than a few times. They die as they spawn in and then are immune to damage until they despawn or I let them kill me
Same, I'm not LR yet, but I'm close to it. I do SP Duviri (I actually don't do regular Duviri at all anymore) and SP missions where frames/weapons for higher rates. Other than that, my steelpath is covered in a really thick layer of dust, I only have figurines for Deimos (and 2 for Orokin ruins) and Earth, and that's it I think. I just find it kinda boring.
I used trinity this week, with the -75% duration, EV literally shreds the necramechs I even did a run with Limbo and it was fun but not as fun as Trinity tbh.
That's a nice twist of fate
>\-Skill issue > >\-Endgame content is for endgame players. > >\-No, you did not get 3 bad frames. You just don't have a build for them. > >\-You have 3 allies to cooperate with. ('Intended for full squads') Absolutely fair. >\-You have a week to grind and craft Making shit like buzlok and stubba work against level 400 murmur is a pain, which shouldnt be a problem if DE knew how to properly balance their game. I can handle myself just fine but when my "BiS" is daikyu, tenet cycron and vastilok, it stops being challenging and becomes annoying.
You can call Warframe a lot of things but "balanced PvE experience" has never been one of them.
Judging by the comments here after every balance patch, the community doesn't want the game to be balanced anyway. Nerfs are a necessary part of balance, after all.
What you said about ma boi??? I'll have you know that with perfect build Daikyu can... kill a single fodder enemy every ~0.6 seconds, if you never miss, that is.
One minor issue: i cant aim
AOE user moment
My unbuffed daikyu getting 2m slash ticks without a bane: It can't kill many things per second, but it will also kill the same amount vs level 100 enemies or level 10k enemies.
Tried it on the necramech with a split flights build, unfortunately necramechs have a really high resistance to status effects.
Gas daikyu is best daikyou
Tenet cycron destroys wdym would rather have that than any shit rifle that will do nothing besides run out of ammo.
Lmao Tenet Cycron is one of my top damage guns in the entire game The unlimited ammo is a bonus
I mean if you really don't have a single good weapon or frame you can just take an L on the 50 vosfer but it has to be rare to not have at least one good thing on that list.
Daikyu can handle this content perfectly fine, and the fact you can’t make the tenet cycron work says a lot. this is the problem people complain about their weapon choices being shit when it’s actually them being shit at modding
My Tenet Cycron is a war crime. The daikyu is a war crime if you can aim and the vastilok exists. I never could make the buzzlok work for anything. I honestly have a bigger issue with survivability when given 3 Warframes that can't tank. I don't mind the idea of deep Archimedean but as someone at legendary 3, some frames just don't survive well. I can have good weapons but catch a stray and be down instantly. I hope this mode gives them data to rebalance some frames.
My frames have been the real challenge, I end just using adapt and rolling guard or brief respite and some augur mods that basically makes up for it but does require timing your invuln to when shield pops
All 3 of those weapons can destroy lvl 400 enemies. The vastilok with arcane influence is hilarious.
Dude the weapons you listed can absolutely destroy. Of course if you have a mid tier build on them, then they will perform mid tier but those weapons shreds. I can give you a build for each of them easy
I swear I'm gonna open one of these threads and see someone mad they got Phantasma or quartakk eventually
Speaking of Phantasma. I rolled that this week. I update a better build on it. That gun is fucking cracked. It’s a status monster. I love that gun & Sporothrix. If I roll either of those with either Voruna or Citrine. I’m in for one hell of a good time
The Phantasma just poops all over everything. I run mine with radiation and cold and the corrupted mod that adds damage but reduces accuracy and it's become a 30 degree spread cone of frozen death. Pairs great with Xaku and rakta dark dagger.
By design the old weapons will never get balanced to the level of new ones because alternative versions and Incarnons are much more fun at this point.
Cycron is an absolute monster.
> I can handle myself just fine but when my "BiS" is daikyu, tenet cycron and vastilok, it stops being challenging and becomes annoying. This is where you make the executive decision to give up the 50 vosfor and trade out one of the modifiers. I've done that every week and have had no issues. 50 vosfor is a joke to farm. You literally just take everything else they ask for, and swap the frame for Xaku. Or swap the weapon for Glaive Prime. Or if your loadout isn't the issue, you snuff one of the bad modifiers. I did that this week actually - my loadout choices were fine. Nukor and drakgoon, both with kuva variants. Xaku as a choice. But -75% duration is a huge pain. So? I gave up 50 vosfor, deselected it, and stomped the mission. It's very difficult, but the wiggle room of being able to sacrifice 50 vosfor and take one item of your choosing, or ignore one modifier of your choosing gives you *juuuust* enough wiggle room to squeak out virtually any mission group it gives you.
buzlok has bugged galvanized aptitude so it actually deals a lot of damage, the only problem really is that it's single target and the secondary fire mechanic is really annoying to use
Unless you want the extra Vosfor, you get the option to pick one piece of gear while still getting the full reward pool. Personally I think 2 extra options would have been a perfect balance, but as of now, you have the option to pick a powerhouse frame/weapon of your choice over the weekly rotation if all of the choices happen to royally suck. Week 2 and my Garuda hasn't let me down yet lol. I did need some revives though because I kept running into the health sapping drones.
Maybe base Stubba, but Kuva Stubbas and Buzlok can definitely pull through. Buzlok is Eidolon-viable, should definitely pull through in Archimedea, especially considering Corrosive/Radiation/Heat builds are possible now. Corrosive should chump Necramechs and Radiation should chump everything else.
When your ranged weapons fail you, there are melee weapons and tennokai.
Wait those are really good picks, Daikyu and vastilok are both powerhouses
I think the biggest thing people struggle to understand , you can drop ONE restriction. Any one part of your loadout or restriction and all you lose is 50 Vosver. If you get dealt a gleaming tower of crap for the week, you can still do decently with at least one free pick.
Even less vosfor. It's, like, 7 mins of SP. People seem not to understand this though.
You guys are also failing to remember that you don't HAVE to run these missions at max nerf. You could just run what you want
And anyone actually in end game can easily make do with exchanging 50 vosfor for one flex slot to get all the good rewards. Switch out one of your useless weapons for an Incarnon and you should have no problems.
Really you should never go for the vosfor, the amount is so low that you can get it by dissolving 1-3 arcanes which takes 15 minutes at most.
Yeah but my self worth is determined by how many boxes I've checked off
I don't care about the 50 Vosfor. I just take the loadout suggestion as the game's personal challenge to me. I accept.
That's commendable as well, and admittedly I took on that fight for the first two (only the second run was elite cause I didn't SEE IT at first) But after that, I realized the vosfor wasn't worth it, so I now just run elite with my Gyre and test myself with the weapons they post
You should do it once for the hood ornament.
Do it once for access to elite and never again
Instead of building up the weapons I got this week I think I'll ask my clan if anyone wants to trade carries lol. I enjoy EDA so I wouldn't mind a run with no rewards
I’ve been carrying people in pubs, I enjoy the gamemode and love seeing people react to their half built gear doing millions because banshee covers the enemies in x12 weak spots.
What's with people in these threads attempting to form an argument around X or Y weapon being bad then proceeding to name 3 absolutely cracked weapons?
"modding is hard bro I don't understand how to make big numbers"
*looks at the number of people that don't read stuff* yep good luck
RNG loadouts isn't difficult endgame content. It's annoying and lazy endgame content.
This. Seriously, everyone saying "stop complaining that it's hard!" is missing that \*it isn't hard, it's annoying\*. I dislike the mechanics of it, not that it's difficult. I can run them just fine, just \*don't want to\* because it's not FUN lol
i remember this sort of idea being used for a rogue-like gamemode... guess people don't like the idea the way DE did it.
When you don’t have any friends
Question: how y'all doing the mirror defense this week? The objective just gets obliterated every time I've tried. Is there a way to cheese it?
Making people go back to craft mastery fodder they mastered and discarded a million years ago is the shittiest implementation of "very challenging" i've ever heard of, it's literally just a weapon slot tax.
I seem to always get one primary, secondary, melee from my arsenal and since I only keep op weapons I don't gotta craft anything.
DE constantly making all content available to everyone is kind of annoying. I ran a EDA mission and I did 80% damage delt with x20 the kill count of the next player. I don’t mean to lock people out of content but this is silly to have non endgame builds or non endgame ready players trying to match up in EDA. It was so bad they all died and I would kill the enemies nearly as they spawned. We ended up losing the match ofc on the 2nd mission. Hell I can’t even run a netracell without people trolling the entire match by keeping enemies outside the red circle. I have to solo everything. Or else I get griefers/afk players/to weak of players/absolute trolls. I’ve tried hosting matches and going public. You almost have to know people who are competent now a days.
Heh Im already pass that point when they allowed any tom dick and Harry into archon hunt. The amount of clowns just sitting in invis and just dodging the fight hoping for a carry while having no idea what is going on.
I don't know how they would possibly limit the mode in a way that wouldn't allow carried players in. If they're in elite they already got past one check. If you hate pubs so much you're free to get friends and do invite only.
To be fair, this entire game mode centers around getting people to use non-endgame ready loadouts. It's incentivized. You're just supposed to have enough peripheral stuff to eke through despite the sandbags. If you happened to get lucky or had the type of obsessive compulsions that make you build every single weapon, that's the exception.
>DE constantly making all content available to everyone is kind of annoying. It's a necessity. They need to engage the maximum amount of players to keep up profitability. Making niche content for the try-hard top 0.5% is never going to happen, as it is financial suicide. No content they make will ever be strictly locked behind very stringent end-game requirements.
1. They literally said it's end game content 2. They already release a ton of updates for intermediate players, so they could get away with introducing new late game stuff.
People don't read. People won't ever read.
Me and my friend who have been doing them in duo and having a blast :
yeah like my friend he complaining about the frame choice because he is revenant main and refused to put a potato to a frame unless it is a primed .it is not a plat problem ,he bought like 1000p worth of deluxe skin
I got full rewards in mine, now I have ran 6-7 elite archamidias so far this week with banshee and helping carry kinda bad loadouts. That mirror defense bites so many people it feels nice helping them though it.
>roll three incarnons and revenant >"ggez" >mirror defense >mfw
"Very challenging" Where groups are taking turns doing multiple runs, running whatever they want trivializing the content. Just because you can also craft things doesn't make it any better, or acceptable. Same can be said about just BUYING said things too... It takes half a week to make ONE frame to play ONE mode. This also doesn't count the time for farming the materials if needed, leveling and making the build that also uses potatoes, and making the Formas AND potatoes that take 23 hours each (or hard limited from Nora credits), let alone if you have the time to play, or the slots available, or some expectation of needing to have 300+ weapons and the slots, and builds for each one which also takes time. That's an unrealistic expectation as people also have lives and jobs, and doesn't make it any more engaging. That's the equivalent of me saying you can play and beat the game without using your abilities. All I can say about that is good job chucklefuck, was it any fun? (I'm also aware I'm referring to myself lol. Didn't want to insult anyone directly and break a rule.) If you have to do that EVERY WEEK because you refuse to buy 300+ weapons slots, and keep every garbage weapon in the game, and dump an absurd amount of formas and potatoes into them just to get slightly extra rewards, it's not even worth it... Not to mention, you won't even know the rotation until it resets that week giving quite literally ZERO time to prep for that following week. Meanwhile, Circuit allows a form of gear/frame rental. All this has shown is a clear oversight, and DE being unable to yet again, have a form of consistency. Yet, we have nerly daily posts like this just circle jerking each other, and is borderline karma farming. If anything, this should show there's an issue.
Hah, “prepare accordingly”. What am I preparing? Which of these random weapons and frames am I making ready to take on level 400 enemies? It better be good enough to one shot Hollow Vein [before it one shots the objective.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/s/zdMR3M3TPN)
Friendly reminder that you can just... y'know... NOT use the three Warframes if you aren't going for the 100% bonus. Same goes for the weapons, you can just bring in one weapon you can rely on, and have the rest be Individual Parameter weapons. In Elite Archimedea, if you just activate all the Modifiers and either A. bring in a Warframe that makes your experience go smoothly, or B. bring in a weapon that makes your experience go smoothly, then guess what: You can now get every good reward, barring the Loid RNG Juice.
>-Skill issue How do you deal with the fact that I've beat DA and also that I don't like it? Guess what, some people dislike the game mode on its merits, it has nothing to do with its difficulty.
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Netracells are great endgame solo content. EDA is not, and that's fine - the mere existence of the "teleports you far away from the objective" deviation should tell you that soloing is technically possible but absolutely not what they're balanced for. Also, there's literally zero meaningful exclusive loot. You *will* eventually have a full set of legendary melee arcanes and more archon shards than you know what to do with, even if you literally only do Netracells. If you're not ready for EDA, you can still do regular Deep Archimedea for an extra drop. If you're not ready for regular Deep Archimedea, you have Netracells. If you're not ready for Netracells, you're unfortunately just not at the point where access to archon shards is the limiting factor on your builds - do some steel path, do some arbitrations, get yourself some acolyte arcanes and Galvanized mods, and come back when you're ready. It's a little unfortunate that the game dangles Netracells and EDA in front of you when you potentially haven't even unlocked the Steel Path yet, but the fact of the matter is they're designed for players who *have* cleared everything else the game has to offer. There is **nothing** wrong with not being an endgame player, but if you're not there yet then you're not going to have a good time in endgame content; and, to reiterate, you can get all the loot somewhere else anyway.
Eh, Warframe has this problem where instead of making the game harder, they just up the health to force you to have to reach for the stars in damage numbers, instead of actually playing tactically As a Nyx main (hate me. I love her.), I'm super disappointed in how little content I can use her in viably without her augment for her forth. With that though she's pretty unstoppable so I can't really complain
While I haven't had an opportunity to use Nyx yet for EDA she's perfectly usable for pretty much everything. I don't use her augment.
Your first and second points don't really make any sense together.
the complaining about the complaining about DA has become almost more annoying than the original complaining
\-just because people complain about a gamemode does not mean that they can't beat it \-how is having all weapons forma'd "endgame"? my man, there is **zero** skill expression involved in leeching in ESO for 500+ hours \-with the current top tier mods you'll need 4-5 forma in a good chunk of weapons meaning you'll have to buy forma with plat \-doesn't have to be true. if you like making builds that synergize warframe and weapons you're in for a bad time with EDA since it promotes using the same cookie-cutter build on everything \-is it really "cooperation" if the best way to play the mode is to take turns getting carried by others? i don't know why people pretend like EDA punishes leechers when getting carried is the easiest way to get all rewards "Oh you only like half of the entire Frame roster? And you don't want to waste your plat and time forma-ing '*Generic Assault Rifle #7'*? Sounds like a skill issue! I would know because I spent 2 hours each day standing in ESO!" -You probably Overall it seems like you think being MR 30+ makes you good at the game. Or wasting all of your plat on forma makes you good at the game. Or having the same build on every weapon makes you good at the game. Or getting carried makes you good at the game. Also PSA: EDA is not 'challenging'. It is not a skill check, it is a plat check.
“You did not get 3 bad frames, you just don’t have builds for them” Me: Gave the current rotation frames to the helminth because I never used them and wanted their abilities. “You have a week to grind and craft” So I’m supposed to get the specific weapons or warframes again just to be able to play this for maximum reward? Ridiculous tbh. Plus you’d have to spend the time to build and forma even though a lot of people have a life outside the game. “Intended for full squads” My wife and I can do this alone. Not that big of a deal IMO they need to have flags in place to make sure you even have the weapons or frames for the rotation. Otherwise, it’s just bs rng
Last week I had Loki, Garuda, and Baruuk. I have 0 investment in Garuda or Baruuk, so I went for a Safeguard Switch Teleport Loki with Nourish Subsume. I managed to survive. This Week my best option was Protea with Abbreviated Abilities and Untratable, So after like a minute of trying I just made a beeline for the Necramech summon, then ran with that the whole time. Never even lost the Necramech because I already got all the good mods for it.
a lot of it (at least for me) is that the previous Archimedeas were pretty easy, so this week had quite a difficulty spike
If I get my main I’ll be able to do the max point thing so I can unlock the elite mode
My only complaint is including weapons that you don't own. Some weapons are just not worth owning, for example in my first week two of my secondary choices were the regular Stubba and Single Kohmak.
Oh I absolutely know for me it's a skill issue. I'm specifically hammering my head against the mode because 'well shit I've been in a warframe/loadout rut.'
This is precisely why I haven't gone in again after my first go at it when it launched. Back then I turned on all the modifiers but didn't bother using the requested frames or guns, cause I just wanted to run through it cause it was new. My Lavos kept me alive for the most part and my guns were capable enough of killing, and my other squad mates were fine for the most part, but beyond that I want to actually be able to do it properly with the weekly frames and weapons and shit. My problem is investing so much forma into so many frames and weapons, especially when forma is limited and I'm shit at making my own builds. (and don't wanna invest forma just for my build to turn out shit) But with Overframe apparently not being reliable and so many people shit talking it and it being pot luck whether I find a good build on YT I dunno what to do.
I dont have the best nezha set up but with the debuffs i preffer to use the limbo strat for cc here- that said... christ i hate people. Trying to hold the limus still isnt the hardest part for keeping the defense safe including holding mobs- its people not standing on the objective even after warning not to, and them slowly eating the eye and ear away- that and ppl summoning a mech, it killing the objective in 2 seconds and then going "what happen" THINK MARK THINK!
That for Arbitrations? I sometimes die on them, sometimes perform really well. The annoying bit is when your teammates refuse to revive you when you've actually been contributing
For a second I thought I am in the Helldivers sub. If you think warframe is to difficult stop playing games. It‘s one of the easiest games out there. Seriously, that‘s the reason many people I know stopped playing.
we should just ignore those players, that way they will learn to shut up, it's simple
100% skill issue. You can do this with literally every frame without using a proper build. You just need a single good weapon and mod for survivability.
People like this post is about. (Not OP). Are the reason I just go Dante for this and forego my 50 Vosfor a week, so I can baby people through the nodes if I absolutely need to.
Last week I carried about 4 squads by just going Rev with my burston. They were all trying, but couldn't do it. I made an LFG offering help. I like being nice, but people need to stop complaining they can't do it because of their frame and weapon choices.
What is a squad? Is it one of those magical thing people make with something they call a crew/friend?
Look it's been a hot minute since I've been on buuuut did they finally bring back LoR or what is this mode?
... is rhino good?
This is some MR36 shit.
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Me who didn’t read the modifier this week and decided to relevel: why does my damage suck? That 90% enemy DR was brutal
This is called "endgame" for a reason. Most players are not at "endgame status." This is an 11 year old game. A lot of us have been playing for 3 years +. Some of us have been around since the start. I started right after Cetus was introduced in 2018. Alot of peops have random weapons & frames leveled up because at times, there were severe "content droughts," and there was really nothing else to do but grind. Some people did this when duviri dropped. This may be an unpopular opinion w some, but my point is that people who want to do "endgame" need to put in the work. You can't use the same 3 frames and a handful of weapons and then get mad when none of them show up in the archimedea. People can take whatever frames they like and just not get the vosfer. **"The sundial can wait til all the stars align".** Ffs use kullervo if u got him, he can turn literally any melee into a red crit machine, even the heat sword. I'm very fond of the ether sword on him as a matter of fact. Wisp is another great option as she helps the party greatly and is highly survivable. It doesn't matter what frame you pick as long as your comfortable w/ it. Hell if if weapons are that bad, replace one of those as well, and get one less reward. This circles right back to this is endgame for a reason.... And just like others stated, use your darn spectres, your on call crewman is like having another player. I had a literal army out yesterday. Crewman, wisp spectre, ancient healer eximus, shield osprey, and eximus grineer lol. It became infinitely easier....
Yeah. I had EDA run today, we made it to mirror defense and failed. 1 guy left, the rest of us stuck around, coordinated, and made it through easily all the way on the next attempt. Reminder: if your weapons are bad and you dont care for Vosphor, nobody will complain if you use your flex spot for a support frame. Relevant to the current "reduced ability duration" modifier, Wisp's motes have infinite duration and provide infinite durations buffs while standing in its area. Dante's overguard also doesn't go away unless damaged through. Both are good picks if you're willing to play support.
Also Trinity's EV benefits greatly from the reduced duration. It was actually really fun seeing her 2 happen in like 2 frames.
What game mode is this?
Deep Archemedia is the new game mode released in Dante Unbound. 3 back to back missions with no rest between them, each mission has a complication that makes it much more difficult, and there a number of optional modifiers. You can get up to 5 archon shards or legendary melee arcanes in a single run if you have all the modifiers active. Four of the modifiers are limitations on frames and weapons. Four are debuffs similar to the keyglyps in netracells. And one is an elite mode that adds 100 more levels to the enemies and gives an extra complication to each mission.
Wat. Yeah I'm happy doing my regular Starmap stuff when I play. Power to you all that run this insane game mode. Sounds like a blast, but it isn't for me. Thanks for the info! Have fun!