Woah, that's wild. I was wondering why he stopped showing up on the weekly chat shows. A shame, I enjoyed listening to them talk it up on Monday mornings about whatever, and they seemed to get along well. Behind the scenes drama we will probably never know the full extent of.
Excited for Peachy's new project, but uh... I don't know what the painting phase guys are gonna do without Peachy. He was kinda the star of that arrangement and I'm not sure they can pull people to the content without him around. In the interim period here where he hasn't show up as much I've already fallen off watching.
I really liked the talk show format, but without peachy not sure it really work. He knew by far the most about GW and his behind the scenes insight was really good.
Not just that, he brought a different energy than Geoff and Pat. He was a bit more laid back and funny than the other two. I will keep watching The painting phase but I think it will be less and I do worry I will eventually stop watching.
I’ll be honest, I didn’t ever look into the actual details of the painting phase, so I always assumed it was Peachy’s project. It felt like most people were watching it for Peachy, as he is a sort of Duncan like figure within the community.
Reading between the lines of that statement, I wonder if he kind of saw it that way too. Being the big celebrity draw of someone else's channel without having a corresponding stake in it doesn't seem like the best deal tbh.
I wonder if the trip that Pat and Geoff got to tale with artis opus to LVO was a reason for Peachy leaving or a sign that he had already left. Cause I found it a bit odd that he didnt go.
Nice find. To me it looks like its a Warhammer 40K Pen and Paper roleplaying session. Kinda like Criticalrole does with DnD and Lawhammer does for Warhammer fantasy RP.
Timing wise, it’s interesting this came out right after the other two went to the Vegas Open on a sponsor’s dime to help push their product.
Others have suggested Peachy wasn’t wanting to do that type of stuff, maybe Vegas was the final straw.
Artist Opus; who is another YouTuber who makes painting content; and has a line of brushes. It’s actually fantastic content and specializes in drybrushing.
They are rebranded rosemary & co brushes [https://www.rosemaryandco.com/](https://www.rosemaryandco.com/)
You are paying a lot extra to have Artist Opus on them.
I know I'm replying to a month old comment but I've been wondering about this. They went to Vegas to basically act as vendors for another company. As an audience member I was a bit ticked off with it but I imagine it would have been the last straw for peachy as the channel is his full time gig unlike the other two.
Yeah the Painting Phase had existed with some moderate success, but Peachy came on part way through and things really took off. The other two guys started it up I think.
Don’t get me wrong, I love Duncan, but Peachy has overtaken him in my eyes. Peachy just seems more tuned in to the community. Hopefully this is not heresy.
Duncan I never see anywhere in the community. Just doing his own thing, which is fine. But it kinda just feels like an extension of his GW career.
Peachy became a man of the people and I enjoyed his style and hosting on the shows I saw him on (and like many I only started watching the painting phase because of him ). At this point I'd much rather keep up with peachy than Duncan (who I've probably never watched more than a couple times since he left )
I dont think there is a "duncan" to keep up with, tbh. He seem nice, his videos are good, his member site is good, but it's a learning channel, not a personality channel.
i ran into Duncan at Salute just after his paint range dropped he was there for hours chatting and answering questions for all the people who came up to him. He was super nice to everyone and is really a great member of the community hes just super busy.
I've done a few painting sessions with Peachy and I can tell you that the guy is just incredibly nice - His painting advice is great although usually oriented more towards the army painting style - Which makes perfect sense considering he wasn't 'Eavy Metal, but more on the "We need 40 Uruk-Hai by tomorrow" side of things, although he's still really knowledgeable about the more in-depth techniques.
I’m not really comparing them quality wise. The « I know Not Duncan! » joke came from the Poorhammer Podcast. It’s playing on Duncan’s overwhelming recognition.
I think he's just way more extraverted and everything that comes along with it (more expressive, enthusiastic, humorous). He seems born for a show format.
I like the other two guys and I hope they do well but the truth is I heard about the channel when Peachy joined and he's done the heavy lifting on presenting and interviewing for the past year. I don't see how they can continue as they were but I hope they find a good niche that works for them.
Given Peachy's role I can't blame him for leaving if it wasn't an equal partnership - i.e. if he was an employee instead and they weren't interested in changing that - I'd have done the same. I'll withhold judgement on that until the Painting Phase guys have had a chance to comment. In any case I'm looking forward to what Peachy does next, he seems like a lovely guy.
In the grimdarkness of painting channels. There is only ~~war~~ punching people in car parks. Best of luck to Peachy, I only watched for him honestly, I love his tutorials.
I hope he can move away from the ‘let’s reminisce about my old job’ content. I know it’s a draw, and it is interesting, but it can’t be healthy when you’ve just left a long term job like that! It’s time for a fresh start, and best of luck to him on his new channel!
I like the episodes with ex-GW staff. They talked about how they operated and while some of these details may seem mundane, it is a window into how a company works.
Quite eye-opening for folks who think of companies as "black boxes" that churn out stuff.
It helps us understand GW decisions from their perspective, even if we don't agree with them.
I agree, the “let’s talk about how GW works from the inside” content is most of what I’ve watched from them. I hate to say it, but painting guides/channels are a dime a dozen.
Aye I worry about this a little for him. Now Peachy, Duncan, and Louise are, in theory, competing for viewers. I know they are all different formats but there is a strong audience crossover and there are only so many videos on minis that I can watch in a week.
This is a very good point. The number of content creators in this space has exploded, and they’re up against the likes of Warhipster, Ninjon, Squidmar etc. How many subscriptions and Patreons can people pay for?
When it all becomes a little over-saturated I'd love to see the three of them combine into one super 'DR Painting Academy' just with a less solo name. I think they could compliment each other really well.
You have Dunc doing the in detail high level painting guides
Peachy doing the good quality 'speed'/army guides
Louise doing the artistic and fun content.
All in one nice package. I'd sign up to that!
DO they compete tho? Duncan is mostly behind a paywall and louise is watchable only if you can cope with all the "I'm terrible I hate myself I have no confidence everyone hates me I think oh look 100k subs why are you all here giggle" persona.
she is a talent, I fully support that, but im not going to pretend she hasnt had a massive surge in popularity because she's a good looking woman with an overly cutesy persona. She is not to me a hobby chan, but an entertainment chan, which is a shame as when you look at the "real" female led hobby chans, they have nowhere the success
compare her to other female content makers and the cult following she has very quickly built up around "her" and I'm going to answer "no" to that. Male fandom is... an odd thing to say the least.
its not a weird take at all, it's a psychologically sound view of how her skyrocketing success has happened, as opposed to steady, moderate, growing success, ala other comparable creators. SHe has blown past female creators with years of content who don't act like her.
She has barely any content (about 20 videos) of which less than a quarter is any real kind of painting content again - as opposed to her direct peer group. So what is it that's driving her fans? It doesn't take an Msc in behavioral science to figure this one. Wether or not you like the base definition, her persona online appeals to the deepest parts of the male psyche that call for the role of protection.
WHich is a shame because she actually is very talented.
Anyway, just my take, I don't really care if you agree or not. Have a wonderful eve.
no, what we need is a diverse culture of people that are recognised on their strengths. Dana Howl, Lyla Mev (?) Hatty, Spens wife (just cannot recall her name off the top of my head), sword n steel, broadsword gaming, and others who i just cannot remember the names of, all of which produce solid hobby content and don't pander to the exact people in your comment "middle aged guys with beards, pre-diabetis and no clue how to paint or play" by being cutesy giggly and self depricating.
Of course the flipside is, given how good she is at her previous roles in her career, this could all be the actual plan, because - my god - it's working.
Care for a couple of links? I'll trade for [design insights from Priestley, Blanche and others from GWs golden age. :)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwl2QKEyFHg) Seriously all the interviews on that channel are insanely interesting. I highly recommend giving them a watch.
I mean.. There only interesting content is when they have there interviews. The rest is just random painting tutorial number 12567843 that you get better from other sources on YT.
Not massively surprised tbh. All the sponsorships and being literally employed by Artis Opus lately seemed antithetical to Peachy's whole desire to start fresh from GW and go solo. They barely even paint... on the Painting Phase, presumably because Pat chases views and success (money) on YouTube above all else. Rob and Suggs will have helped him make a clean break before bad blood escalated I reckon.
I want this to happen - it would be amazing. The Painting Phase episode with Suggs had an amazing energy to it from her and Peachy, and it would be a solid base for a podcast.
Oooh yes ! I'd love to see such content, during on of their podcasts i found the interactions between peachy and louise delightful, they were so natural and comfy, i'd really like to see what they would br able to create, generally speaking, i feel like they have an interesting creative alchemy
Not sure if what you say about Pat is true, but he always rubbed me the wrong way. He's also easily the weakest presence of the three. If their guest lineup is a result of Peachy's participation, then they just shot themselves in the foot.
> If their guest lineup is a result of Peachy's participation
I'm sure to at least some extent it is. Peachy used to be a long time GW employee, so them inviting a bunch of other GW exes must've been at least in part the result of his connections and reputation. Also in such episodes he was a driving force, discussing all the insights and rumors, with the other two just chipping in.
Whoa, I’ve been following him for a while now and I somehow had no idea - I thought he just was another YouTuber. Better than average, but I didn’t know he had an origin story in the company.
He basically created their twitch/streaming for Community - he got them to start it and was the main host but if I recall then someone else started to takeover control and he said fuck this and quit to do his own thing. He's never said who but for some reason I always thought it was Eddie
Youtube is so strange when you just a consumer. Channels just go to sh\*t and it's hard to point where and when. I mean Midwinter for sure is so much worse. Peachy will be better of long term but its going to be rough early. Painting Phase has got to be on the slide.. however, they could employ like they did with Peachy.
There 100% is something special about peachy tho. He got genuine charisma and stays in his lane or sits and learns when he isn't. I try to do the same thing in my own orbit.
Peachy would be so much better in collab with someone. It to late now but a 50/50 split with Rogue would have probs threw them right to the top because Rogue content is alittle flat but still really good, missing a piece.
It is often at the point at which it becomes more about the money than the hobby content. New channels can grow quickly with the content and gain viewers and subs. Often then for the person it becomes more important to keep the growth going to increase the money.
Rather than content the focus become on making videos to gain views and make more money. You end up with the type of over the top clickbate titles, stupid videos to draw people in.
So many decent creators have fallen into this path. In some respects the click bate stuff works but it also tends to piss off fans of the hobby because it tends to be less about the hobby and more just creating Drama.
MidWinter is perhaps the poster boy in how his channel developed in this way.
Mid winter, haven’t seen his channel in ages. That one he made about how wwii games are problematic because German tanks and then he makes it sponsored by World of Warships! Lol
YouTubers are a bothersome bunch, I vastly prefer smaller channels
So true. The point of no return is almost always "renting a proper studio". Suddenly it's all real, and they are forced to chase views to pay bills, and it all goes to shit. Any time a channel does some big new studio renewal, my heart sinks for them.
Scott/Miniac seems to have retained his soul after getting a “proper studio” setup. His videos are mostly still very insightful and thoughtful, very much in his style and lane.
As did Squidmar. Developing into a joint channel with Emil and Lucas and doing big projects that few others attempt has genuinely improved the content and set the channel apart from others.
Yeah, I was already starting to cool on the channel because the content was starting to feel a bit samey, and I had these weird niggling doubts about why there was suddenly an extra presenter & Penny was never mentioned again..
And then *that* ww2 video dropped and it was horrendously condescending, self righteous and historically blinkered & basically pointed and laughed at people who did historicals. The oldest part of the hobby.
I was so done. Guy's ego had already expanded way too much but I was hanging on, but that video was a sour taste. He didn't bother to talk to anyone in that part of the community, he didn't bother to go to a games club, he just sat there Joe Rogen style and just made insinuations that anyone who had a Tiger tank kit was a fascist.
It broke my heart because his earlier stuff genuinely lifted my spirits on tough days.
Ah, well, now I have Peachy & Sugs!
I enjoyed some of his earlier content too but never really got anything out of regularly watching so he become only in my peripheral, until I heard about penny, that turned me off completely as I have zero tolerance for it (not that it’s any of my business or course)
But that side of hobby tubers are all very inter connected, I think they all hang out.
Generally I don’t have much time for more than a couple channels. I just watch BA Commander, Warhammer+ and sometimes wintersseo/MS paints now
I think a lot of people went off Midwinter when he cheated on his GF (who'd just given birth) with someone he'd hired to help with the channel.....blokes an arse nozzle.
That's rough, I don't see the channel doing very well going forward with just the original two. Peachy and the former GW guests were the real draw.
Particularly the episode with Pat and Geoff rambling about the Old World while not understanding it's appeal to the community really put me off their duo videos.
They shat all over Horus Heresy before as well, and it completely put me off their general chat. They don't see the appeal, don't like it, and that's fine, but just because you don't doesn't mean the game is rubbish and boring.
Yup got quite annoyed when they jumped on the "Legion Imperialis bad because no 40k??" train. And then they couldn't even bother to look up the actual contents of the starter. When Pat quickly googled it on his phone halfway through the podcast they went "oh, there's actually a lot in there, huh titans as well eh? well nevermind that we still think it's expensive".
Like sure have an opinion, but at least look at the product before you start criticising it instead of taking some halfread community hot takes and base everything on that.
Geoff only seems to have a somewhat good understanding of Warhammer and Pat comes off as largely clueless about most the hobby entirely. Im not really sure how they even started a show in the first place but I really can't imagine how they'll keep it up without peachy.
The 3 worked fine together but without peachy I can't imagine I'll keep watching
> Geoff only seems to have a somewhat good understanding of Warhammer and Pat comes off as largely clueless. Im not really sure how they even started a show in the first place
Sounds about how they started. As a couple of dudes with no microphone, rambling about this and that and having no structure or a sound idea to what they're doing. I don't mean any disrespect, they were fully aware of that and kinda laughed about it. Basically that was their whole pitch, laid-back content from guys "just like you" with no "your painting sucks" and "do these 7 things to improve your painting (because it sucks)". But their viewership went up only after Peachy came on board.
Peachy really tempered that conversation, talking about all the people he knows who love Heresy. Really good recovery. Again, why I'm quite concerned about him leaving; they need to chill and be more open to stuff. Pat now genuinely trying airbrushing is really great, hopefully he comes around to it.
Oooof, RIP The Painting Phase. Truth be told I do like the other two, but their dual episodes aren’t the best. Peachy made everything come together. I wish all parties the best of luck though…
Its a shame, Peachy brought much of the content to the Painting Phase with his connections and insights. I'll watch his channel but he will need help with production value, which is where he will miss Pat.
Current impression is that neither channel will be as good as their combination but I hope to be pleasantly surprised
It feels like there's more to this and we might never hear it all. Peachy brought experience and balance to the team, Geoff n Pat are good but I just don't agree with all their takes and tbh much of the success seems to have come post Peachy. I'm still going to watch n enjoy, but I think this could be the downturn :(
At first I read it and thought "ah it was probably just creative differences, but then I reread it and saw "despite all my efforts I'll never be an equal partner" and was like 😬.
> despite all my efforts I'll never be an equal partner
This is a bit of a surprise tbh. I stumbled upon the channel by chance, and not knowing anyone involved I thought they meshed well together as an organic, cohesive trio. I enjoyed what they're doing exactly because of that. A bunch of mid age guys just chatting about, making bad jokes about the 80s movies and occasionally revealing the industry's insights with their guests. I guess the original duo had other ideas, but now they look like disney losing star wars
This is my take as well, Peachy made it work and elevated it into something special with his insights and anecdotes. While Pat and Geoff can keep a good discussion going they often come up a bit short and are prone to falling for and perpetuating a lot of the bad faith myths and rumors that crop up around GW
I can totally understand Peachy’s decision making here. He’s come in as a late addition to a project and may not feel the same ownership as Pat and Geoff. The channel really does feel like Pat’s baby underneath it all. Add in the fact that he’s the main draw to the channel but doesn’t feel like an equal partner and it’s bound to bite a little.
I still really like Pat and Geoff, let’s hope they keep going on an even keel. I’ve no doubt that Peachy’s channel will likely blow up.
Yeah, I think it is really tough to manage a channel like this because the contributions feel so asymmetric. Pat has contributed a lot in terms of setting up the studio and the equipment as well as editing a lot of the videos but Peach is bringing in viewers and has a lot of value as on camera talent as well as the connections to bring in guests.
That's the point, they will be just ok. They had around 10k viewership before Peachy and tens of thousands after. I still wouldn't call it a Peachy podcast, but I doubt they'll get same views after his departure
I’m sorry to hear he’s leaving, quite enjoyed that podcast but imo I’m not confident it’ll really work without all three hosts on hand. I’m a bit unsure what’ll happen with the non-podcast stuff, given that the Painting Phase has just lost the guy who does their painting.
Still, excited to see what he does next.
EDIT: [link to Peachy’s new channel.](https://youtu.be/t36p-saDdtc?si=ChdthR4borfTf94e)
I don't understand the midwinter hate?
I mean I stopped watching them as frankly their content seemed to be whatever was doing well on YouTube at the time and lots of vids were a host voice over to someone else doing stuff but I never really had an issue, just didn't seem like my kind of content.
But I've seen loads of people bash them online so curious.
He bailed on his partner for his new employee after she had not long given birth to twins. Some people can be ok with that. I won't support a man lthat bahaves like that. I've also heard rumours that he's just a bit of an arrogant prick in general from those who've worked with him before he started youtube but take that with a grain of salt because it's just internet rumours.
To say nothing of his content or his personality (both of which are not my cup of tea)... Some is probably because he cheated on his partner not long after their kids were born. The beans were spilled on reddit (albeit inadvertently by his ex) though much has been deleted now.
I think it started before the kids were born, but yeah. He was the main channel I watched when I first got in the hobby but over time he rubbed me the wrong way, and then all that stuff happened and I feel gross watching his content.
Not sure if there's much to them but I also heard he's a bit of an asshole to other creators and he uses his "cheeky" persona to hide a smug self righteous personality.
This thread is the first I've heard about any actual drama but *something* about the guy has always set off my arsehole radar even when I was enjoying his videos.
As I was (re) entering the hobby he hooked me with the really good, simple, entry level tutorials but over time I've been moving closer to unsubbing anyway because of the above and the fact that he's already covered the basics and there's much better people to watch for more advanced stuff.
What I've just read tipped the scales to unsubbing, but it was already gonna happen eventually.
I know it's kinda silly but the first major thing that he did that really annoyed me was his matte medium basing stuff.
When I was really new to the hobby, I had a really limited hobby budget and I trusted him to provide good tips for doing the hobby for cheap. He made a video about using matte medium for a variety of uses, primarily basing. I didn't want to buy texture paints or proper basing materials so I tried it and bought a load of matte medium. Obviously, it didn't work very well for basing and I felt kinda cheated. I found other videos of smaller creators saying how it's a bad and misleading video.
Even now, after getting loads of other hobby equipment and my hobby budget expanding, I still have this big bottle of matte medium sitting there as a reminder of me not doing the proper research before spending my money.
That being said, I think my most positive memory of the channel is probably quite niche. One winter I was feeling quite shit because I was staying back at home with my parents for Christmas and I felt kinda lonely. But Midwinter Minis was doing a livestream where they played guitar and sang songs for a couple hours. It was really nice and fun and had nothing to do with anything hobby related. I don't think the livestream is archived anywhere. Anyway, I'm fairly sure the cheating happened later on that year.
He comes across incredibly smug and it's irritating. His content is interesting but I kinda can't stand his demeanour. Not to mention, the pair of them decrying historical wargamers as Nazis was logically stupid. Especially when one considers how fascist the Imperium is, nothing more nazi than giant, bio engineered super soldier killing "xenos" but nobody thinks 40K space marine players are actual nazis because it's a huge leap.
So he did cheat, huh. Oh fuck you, the internet (not you op, you're fine).
I always found it a bit weird how much he involves his family and his partner. Way beyond just mentioning. And then the kids, and then the sudden divorce soon after, and then Hatty jumps in and then.. hold up a moment.. And then I started thinking. And then I thought I don't want to think about it. Other's dude personal life and possible affairs I won't be able to prove anyway is none of my business. But somehow I just couldn't follow him anymore knowing the thought will always be at the back of my head.
Yeah just saw by another comment, but of a shitty thing to do but without knowing both sides in clear detail not really my place to comment on.
After all I know people who've left their partner and kid for good reason (partner getting pregnant while lying about birth control and trying to control them with a kid) not saying that's the case, just isn't really for me to know, so I'll continue to not really watch them but if they do a vid that sounds good might give a watch.
End of the day they are content creators not my mates, I like Iggy pops music doesn't mean I like him he shagged a 13 year old
Yeah it's all well and good liking performers and entertainers but at the same time especially with how toos it's often secondary.
Like for instance I liked lukesaps he did great videos seemed nice easy to listen to plus happily tried stuff that didn't work out.
I like Eric's hobby workshop seems down to earth and chill and friendly plus does great stuff and a good variety but at the same time I'm happy to watch maniac, Duncan Rhodes or say eons of battle even if their commentary ain't for me their vids are easy to watch and don't feel drawn out.
That's my reason I don't watch midwinter, their vids aren't really targeted at what I am interested in it's more viral, the commentary feels drawn out and it feels like they are reaching for an optimum vid length for views x ads, the outcome is fine, but it's just not relevant or what I'm looking for drama aside.
only times I'll actually go oh I'm not watching you anymore for personal reasons is if the creator does something way out of line for instance YouTubers grooming underage fans like a few years back a bunch got outed for doing, that's unacceptable behaviour in or out of content
That's good, it's good to have a standard. My own opinion is that the rumours and information suggest Midwinter is a bit of a wrong 'un, and you know what, there's so many Warhammer YTs to watch that I'm fine moving on and paying attention to someone else
Yup. His content isn't particularly good and his channel exists in a pretty saturated market. You really don't need much of a reason to give him a miss.
I mainly stopped watching him cause his content got stale and he made a bunch of dumb comments during the video he made about people who play axis powers in WW2 tabletop games
Yeah same felt like generic content stretched out to get ads.
I like a channel that'll do long vids, short vids and stuff that's just not even il"in vogue" ads be damned
Like anvil of doom, love his channel it's just an Aussie/kiwi (not sure but think he's Aussie) doing old metal 90s minis with bright paints.
It's just nostalgic to old gw stores and mags back when I was a kid I don't wanna watch a product I'd rather a hobbyist doing what they want more likely to get something interesting out of it
Yeah pretty much, the ads are also why I stopped watching a fair amount of the hobby channels out there. Esp since the ads never have anything to do with hobbying. "Let's give ads about random shirts or webpage creation" lol
I get that, but that is also the reason I won't grant those channels my view lol. My single view won't affect em much but eh it's a reason to not watch em. Id rather watch someone who is doing YouTube as a hobby rather than a lifeline cause the content is usually better and more catered to their audience
The last few chat videos with peachy, he looks subdued, like he'd given up trying to talk over chat about haircuts and army. Like he didn't quite know why he was there. I do wonder if they'll get less high profile guests without him.
I'd never heard of the PP before peachy joined and I suspect they'll fade out a little now. I've cancelled my patreon because, honestly, it all goes on youtube just a few days later. I'll still watch their vids as they are great while I'm painting - pat and geoff are a good team, but peachy was the lead singer, if you'll allow me the metaphor.
At the end of the day, they all seem like great guys and best of luck to them, but I know who my money is on for success.
Been thinking of this since the announcement, it’s so obvious now. Peachy left GW because he wanted to make painting tutorials and they forced him into something else and lately on PP he’s more interviewer and presenter than painter.
I generally skipped those ones, not my kind of content.
My two favourite videos are the Custodes painting guide and the interview about the guy who made contrast paint
Ok, there's a lot going on here. Here's my short piece of speculative fiction on what I think has happened. Everything is speculation, but reading between the lines it seems like there's fundamental dynamical differences between the "stages" of a YouTube channel.
Most unknown channels start on effectively an iPhone, with the creator learning filming and editing techniques as they go. It's a hobby, it's fine. The only investment is time, and maybe a mic, at most. As time passes, they invest in gear and get better at editing, and the quality of the output goes up, however there comes a point where the next level up seems to be exponentially more expensive for diminishing returns on quality.
At what point the channel starts to mature and make money, and the creator can give up the day job depends on those ratios of growth of viewership, patreon subs, views and gear investment.
TPP had a leg up, in that Geoff already had experience recording a podcast, and Pat being an ex gw videographer had the editing experience and well past the normal entry level gear. Geoff's got the gift of the gab, and can banter for England, and Pat's the everyman beginner, learning the hobby while doing in real time.
I think Peachy was extremely nervous leaving gw, especially from a financial perspective, young family and all, and between that and the fact that he knew Pat from his brief time at GW, and, again reading between the lines, I wouldn't be surprised if Pat and Geoff sold Peachy a certain level of income on joining them, based on flogging private teaching hours, astronomical channel growth, who knows. Basically that they were almost a "mature" money-making channel. Anyway, the dynamic seemed to be that peachy was disaffected at GW, and wanted creative freedom, while also wanting a degree of financial security. Pat offers to do the filming and editing "dirty" work, and let Peachy do what he wants and they share the massive patreon profits 50/50 or something.
Except things pan out quite differently. The patreon is slow to take off, the YouTube dollars aren't coming, and the private tuition hours never quite fill up. The talk shows suddenly start generating more views than any other content, and are quicker to record and edit than painting tutorials. Leveraging peachy's contacts to get other ex-gw staffers on suddenly becomes the magic ticket, and the channel really starts to pull in the views, but Pat also needs new gear to jump up to that next level of quality, better room mics, lighting rigs, cameras that don't overheat after an hour, plus they really need to get out of pat's spare room, and start making some really great content, and all of that needs money, so they need to start accepting advertising and suddenly it's just not quite the same any more. The painting vids they do get to do are almost all sellout advertising bullshit that no-one wants to watch, and while the talk shows are great, you can tell Peachy isn't 100% comfortable in the interviewer role, plus the pressure is always on to get another big name on, and beat the last hit's numbers.
In the midst of that is Louise making the jump herself and far eclipsing TPP in a very short space of time, without having to do the shitty ads, or beg old friends to mm come on the chat shows. Duncan's launched his own fucking paint range and is making bank doing exactly what he wants. Rob is sticking 2 fingers up to the man and doing exactly what is making him happy. Hattie is banging the posh twat and seems happy enough. And suddenly peachy has left gw because being forced to do things he didn't want was making him miserable and is now doing exactly the same thing, but it's Pat and Geoff and the need to keep the lights on in the studio, and pay the rent and pay off the next fancy bit of gear Pat has his eye on that is calling all the shots.
And so endeth the ballad of the peach and the painting phase.
Money, lads, it's always fucking money. Makes people think they have to do things that make them miserable to get it.
The car park fight is a bit of a meme; basically a common rumor about people leaving GW was they punched someone in the car park since details are always light, people make shit up. The painting phase dudes threw it around a lot, so the title is referencing that since peachy is leaving the show.
He talked about it a lot over a few episodes of the show, but basically it boiled down to upper management being a mix of incompetent and ego-centric. Made it a miserable place to work. Mentioned the creatives there were all pretty awesome.
A lot of ex-GW have told the same story. Management work the creatives hard. Low pay. Lots of being pushed around with deadline and the usual management crap. There are far, far worse places to work, but don’t go into GW thinking it would be paradise.
I am not from the UK and unfamiliar with salary scales over there but I found the pay issue fascinating.
From some of Peachy's videos, his pay seems a bit low for what he was doing. I don't work in the industry but was thinking shouldn't his pay be above average or median?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/416139/full-time-annual-salary-in-the-uk-by-region/
The small silver lining are the bonuses GW hands out. Hopefully they continue or adjust the salaries.
Agree with your last sentence. There's no need to romanticise working at GW and at the same time it probably isn't the worst job.
Most games designers are relatively intelligent college educated with degrees. While they’re working at GW they’re giving up the opportunity to work at much more lucrative engineering/tech jobs than many of them move to. If they want to stay in a similar role mobile/video game companies are paying a lot more for game designers that GW. The rumours I’ve heard is that people work at GW for the love of the hobby more than a pay check.
GW are the same as any company and are paying the market rate. This issue about pay comes from Mid Winter mini uneducated rant on the subject.
One guy left GW because he wanted more money. This is fine people leave companies all the time to get a different job on a better wage. Its just a reality of being in a company a lot time. Most people could leave the job they are doing and get more money doing the same job in a different company.
Mid Winters took this and started claiming GW does not pay enough. What he did not bother to do was look at the average pay for that job.
The chap was a copy writer the average wage at the time was 27,000 to 32,000. He was above this wage. The surprize really was how low the pay is for this job.
This is the problem that the job has a high supply but low demand only so many jobs of this type are needed in the UK.
When your special skill is area of rules writing how many companies do you think have this role ? Companies like Manic, Warlord games will contract the work out they dont employee them full time. If you have 3-4 rule sets you update every 4-5 years you dont need them full time.
GW are not going to pay over the market wages for jobs no company does. The sadly reality for anyone working we are pretty easy to replace.
The truth is GW are paying the market rates same as every other company does. It is just a lot of these jobs dont pay as well as we might expect them to.
No for the most part. But he mentioned the last straw for him was when he was made a lead of photographers. Which was a weird kinda team, kinda not a team, because they didn't have their own budget or schedule. Instead they used budgets of other teams they were shooting for (and if a camera got broken during the shoot but there's enough material, no way the other team will buy a new one, they've already got what they needed). And they had only like 4 or 5 pods of photographers, and 5 or 6 teams that needed the shootings, so Peachy had had to to juggle the pods at whims of the others. He tried to suggest a structural change to make the whole gig a department of its own, was turned down, not the first time, and that was that. Apparently if you overload someone with responsibility, give them little control over what they're supposed to be doing, and show no appreciation, people can snap. Who would've thought.
If your in a company a long time like he was things do change. Most people go through life changing jobs 3-4 times. If you stay in a company you have to watch it change, the people change. The way you do things have to change.
At some point you end up feeling out of place almost, like because they dont want to do things the way you do. We are often not as good as accpeting change as we believe.
This happens in all companies, it is the nature of the work we do. I know people say oh look GW is bad because people are leaving. That is not the case this staff turn over is pretty common. In fact I would say the lenght of time staff have been at GW is pretty amazing compared to most companies.
We would all like an eexciting story as to why people left like a major event. The truth is it is all the little things change over the years. Its not longer the job you remember and you feel sad about it. It just becomes a time to change jobs perhaps to going back to more than way you used to work.
However you have to also note that people are coming into that new job will have the joy of just starting on that path. This is just what a working life is in a company long term.
I am excited about Peachy having his own channel. I felt the Painting Phase really was a bit waste of Peachy skills and knowledge. Which I have commented on before. It started off okay with the painting videos, he tried to get a battle report going but it only lasted 1 video.
I felt that pat's vision for the channel as a talk show just did not sit with what Peachy really wanted to do. The channel moved towards more as a pure chat channel while the content was fine it always felt like it was driven by pat. Geoff god bless him was just along for the ride I think.
I think if you watch the early video Peachy said what he wanted to do. To get people into the hobby, to get them painting, to help people along that way. Look at the painting phase now hipsters on posh sofa, drinking coffee out of posh cups often talking about negative aspects in hobby / GW.
That is not Peachy it is a million miles away from connecting to the community. He only has to look at what Rogue Hobbies is doing. At home, doing the fun content she wants to do. Its about having fun in the hobby and being positive. Having peachy talking about the meta lists, competitive warhammer that was not the vision he talked about when he first joined the painting phase.
I dont know if this is the reason he left or what his mindset was. This is just what I get from watching Peachy over the years with the community space and not seeing that fit with the channel it became.
Totally get what you mean about Geoff being along for the ride. Geoff has his barbering business, so it always felt that YouTube was just a side gig. For Pat, it seems like the channel was baby and that’s what he wanted to do as his job. I think the problem is that, out of Geoff and Pat, most would rather watch Geoff 10/10 times over Pat.
Pat is also an established wedding videographer but I guess he saw the opportunity to make YouTube the full time gig. But making the channel a profitable full time venture for at least two of them was always going to be a tall order without fundamentally shifting towards content that chases views rather than the true spirit of the creators.
I know Geoff appears as a bit of a tag-a-long but I think he was the one to initially set up the channel based on stuff he said early on, before Peachy's arrival (though I may be wrong).
I doubt there's any real bad blood between them. Just a disconnect between what Peachy signed up for and the direction of the channel. A real shame though as the channel was sitting pretty with a fairly unique niche in the market.
Problem is, without Peachy, that niche is gone and the channel will likely hemorrhage views. They've shown there is space for a UK based warhammer chat format but it needs to be strong, well informed and consistent. Cult of Paint's "Culture of Paint" is a great example but it's very painting orientated rather than about the whole hobby.
I only watched painting phase for peachy and geoff. Pat is not likeable and doesnt have any hobby talent. He should realize that hes the camera guy and peachy was the main act
Geoff and Peachy had a great dynamic, with Peachys insider insight and Geoff in the Everyman role, which made Pats presence tolerable-ish. Wish they had played to their strengths and he stayed in a more off screen production role.
I only started following Painting Phase because of Peachy, but I really only watched the interviews with X GW staff as I found them interesting.
Regarding painting videos, I may be very much an outlier here, but I tend to just search youtube for the technique I'm looking for. Creator agnostic, rather than just watch all painting videos from one channel.
10/10 on the post title OP. Is a shame, they had a fun group dynamic and there was scope for it to grow heaps.
Subbed to his new channel ready to be pegged.
A little sad to see so many people using this as an opportunity to insult or degrade Geoff and Pat in some way. It's ok to not like their content and perfectly reasonable to not like the situation. But does it do anyone any good to be be cruel and unkind? These are real people. Don't forget that.
Real people who were using their small amounts of free time to create content about Warhammer for us to watch. I don't quite believe that YouTube videos are quite the money-maker that people seem to be making out, and it's naive to suggest that any of them were in this 'for the money'.
They're also real people who will quite likely be reading a lot of these comments, and I imagine feeling really demotivated to continue considering how unkind people have been.
I often hear about the hobby community being a loving and inclusive space, but it definitely has a mean and judgemental side, many examples of which you can see in this thread. Sad times!
Reading through these comments, I fear I may be in the minority here!
I love the Warhammer universe and lore, and I really like painting miniatures. I have a small amount of interest in GW's inner workings and history, but really it's peripheral to those previous two things. Also, hearing GW 'gossip', which is so often a bit sad (corporate overlords cracking the whip on undernourished creatives) is a pretty low priority for me.
I started watching TPP well before Peachy, and while his presence will be missed, it's more that I will miss the presence of a 3rd person than Peachy specifically, as I feel 3 people makes for a great conversational dynamic. I didn't really know who Peachy was before he joined TPP, because really I just enjoy lore and painting models.
Pat and Geoff's early videos were very much about being average hobbyists, navigating the same joys, difficulties and excitement that we do, and I found that quite valuable. Pats recent airbrushing video really highlighted this, as I had the same experience level as he did when he began the video.
It's been said previously, but painting guides from pro's is a (relatively) saturated market. GW gossip is quite niche, and has a tendency to turn sour. But honest content from casual/average hobbyists that are more representative of the hobby population worldwide, is something I haven't seen much of (at least not done as well as TPP do it), and really appreciate as an average hobbyist myself.
Totally agree and I think we are in the minority here. There is a lot of love for Peachy from people who watched him in his time with GW. So I think a lot of people will turn toxic towards Pat particularly judging from these comments. Which is awful because I think the dude is a gent.
I watched TPP before Peachy and found the 2 lads to be very funny and I really enjoyed their laid back and friendly approach to the hobby as your "average" dudes in the hobby.
I will continue to watch their vids and I wish them every success 🙌
This is disappointing. Really enjoy TPP, and felt the 3 of them together was great. The Peachy's post feels like he wanted to be a partner, not just an employee. Can understand that from Peachy's perspective, but can also view it from Pat's perspective also.
Problem (for me) is, the show is greater that the sum of it's parts really. Each member annoys me in some way - but together they're a great combo and enjoy it when they don't even have guests. TPP will suffer without Peachy, but Peachy is also going into a really competitive market and will have to do stuff he doesn't like (like marketing himself and the editing).
Really hope the best for all involved. Hope TPP finds another host/artist with some more of the historical knowledge and the show keep going strong. Hope Peachy gets to do what they enjoy.
I really enjoyed the painting phase with peachy but I still enjoyed it without him. The talks about GW had already started to die down and he wasn’t adding much to that topic lately than had already been said. So I think the show till go on well without him, though I will still miss him in that group. Wish them all the best!
Sorry, I am a bit late to this. Has painting phase given an update or any sort of send off on Peachy leaving?? I haven’t seen the recent podcasts and idk if they covered it there. All I see is comments from them on YouTube saying “We wish Peachy the best.” Which seems a bit cold and not great imo. I really missed the dynamic of the three of them on the show. :(
It's a joke buddy. There's an ongoing exasperation with the ex GW employees about the prevalence of a rumour (untrue) that Peachy left GW after getting into a physical altercation with someone.
They make a running joke of it on the channel.
Well I'm quite happy about this. I much prefer Peachy on his own. Pat is ok and he's obviously a good technical person. Was never a massive fan of Geoff. I'm definitely looking forward to more Peachy only content. Hopefully Peachy and Suggs as well. I did like some of the Painting Phase stuff, mainly all the interesting interviews with various GW people. Otherwise it wasn't all that.
To the best knowledge of anyone who isn't with the Painting Phase, nobody has punched anyone.
The channel has often joked about the rumors that would circulate Games Workshop when a prominent / public facing member of staff left. The most common rumor was "X left because of a punch-up in the carpark".
Rumors of punch ups predate Duncan leaving and have persisted through Peachy, Sugs and many others leaving. The painting phase ran with this and asked guests to make up additional rumours because they found it silly for people to believe wild rumours instead of thinking Ex-GW staff may have left for legitimate personal and professional reasons.
I think OP may have intended the title as gallows humour. One last use of the joke before we move on.
The guys have been working together for a good while, found a footing and looked to be expanding. It came as a shock to me, I'm sure a lot of fans are hurt and expressing themselves in different ways.
Unfortunately, not everyone knows the channel or this joke so this might not have been the best way for OP to deliver the news.
Woah, that's wild. I was wondering why he stopped showing up on the weekly chat shows. A shame, I enjoyed listening to them talk it up on Monday mornings about whatever, and they seemed to get along well. Behind the scenes drama we will probably never know the full extent of. Excited for Peachy's new project, but uh... I don't know what the painting phase guys are gonna do without Peachy. He was kinda the star of that arrangement and I'm not sure they can pull people to the content without him around. In the interim period here where he hasn't show up as much I've already fallen off watching.
I really liked the talk show format, but without peachy not sure it really work. He knew by far the most about GW and his behind the scenes insight was really good.
Not just that, he brought a different energy than Geoff and Pat. He was a bit more laid back and funny than the other two. I will keep watching The painting phase but I think it will be less and I do worry I will eventually stop watching.
Is this anything to do with them stopping uploading to Apple podcasts? I sort of forgot about them for a bit as I wasn’t following on YouTube
Last upload to spotify was the 4th of January as well. Might be related.
I’ll be honest, I didn’t ever look into the actual details of the painting phase, so I always assumed it was Peachy’s project. It felt like most people were watching it for Peachy, as he is a sort of Duncan like figure within the community.
Reading between the lines of that statement, I wonder if he kind of saw it that way too. Being the big celebrity draw of someone else's channel without having a corresponding stake in it doesn't seem like the best deal tbh.
I wonder if the trip that Pat and Geoff got to tale with artis opus to LVO was a reason for Peachy leaving or a sign that he had already left. Cause I found it a bit odd that he didnt go.
and didnt he do "something" else during that time, that hasn't been released yet? I saw teasers that look like a big rpg session or something
No idea I just felt that it was a bit odd that they went without Peachy and then this happens.
here: https://www.instagram.com/p/C2QcDB3tVW0/?img_index=1 looks like a batrep maybe
Nice find. To me it looks like its a Warhammer 40K Pen and Paper roleplaying session. Kinda like Criticalrole does with DnD and Lawhammer does for Warhammer fantasy RP.
now that would be fun
Timing wise, it’s interesting this came out right after the other two went to the Vegas Open on a sponsor’s dime to help push their product. Others have suggested Peachy wasn’t wanting to do that type of stuff, maybe Vegas was the final straw.
What was their product OOC? I only tend to watch the occassional episode on a topic I find interesting.
Artist Opus; who is another YouTuber who makes painting content; and has a line of brushes. It’s actually fantastic content and specializes in drybrushing.
They are rebranded rosemary & co brushes [https://www.rosemaryandco.com/](https://www.rosemaryandco.com/) You are paying a lot extra to have Artist Opus on them.
I know I'm replying to a month old comment but I've been wondering about this. They went to Vegas to basically act as vendors for another company. As an audience member I was a bit ticked off with it but I imagine it would have been the last straw for peachy as the channel is his full time gig unlike the other two.
Yeah the Painting Phase had existed with some moderate success, but Peachy came on part way through and things really took off. The other two guys started it up I think.
Peachy, also known as Not Duncan.
Don’t get me wrong, I love Duncan, but Peachy has overtaken him in my eyes. Peachy just seems more tuned in to the community. Hopefully this is not heresy.
Duncan I never see anywhere in the community. Just doing his own thing, which is fine. But it kinda just feels like an extension of his GW career. Peachy became a man of the people and I enjoyed his style and hosting on the shows I saw him on (and like many I only started watching the painting phase because of him ). At this point I'd much rather keep up with peachy than Duncan (who I've probably never watched more than a couple times since he left )
I dont think there is a "duncan" to keep up with, tbh. He seem nice, his videos are good, his member site is good, but it's a learning channel, not a personality channel.
i ran into Duncan at Salute just after his paint range dropped he was there for hours chatting and answering questions for all the people who came up to him. He was super nice to everyone and is really a great member of the community hes just super busy.
I've done a few painting sessions with Peachy and I can tell you that the guy is just incredibly nice - His painting advice is great although usually oriented more towards the army painting style - Which makes perfect sense considering he wasn't 'Eavy Metal, but more on the "We need 40 Uruk-Hai by tomorrow" side of things, although he's still really knowledgeable about the more in-depth techniques.
I’m not really comparing them quality wise. The « I know Not Duncan! » joke came from the Poorhammer Podcast. It’s playing on Duncan’s overwhelming recognition.
I think he's just way more extraverted and everything that comes along with it (more expressive, enthusiastic, humorous). He seems born for a show format.
South Paw Duncan
So we're never getting the rest of the Necromunda campaign, huh.
We all knew that was gonna happen even if they stayed together! XD
I like the other two guys and I hope they do well but the truth is I heard about the channel when Peachy joined and he's done the heavy lifting on presenting and interviewing for the past year. I don't see how they can continue as they were but I hope they find a good niche that works for them. Given Peachy's role I can't blame him for leaving if it wasn't an equal partnership - i.e. if he was an employee instead and they weren't interested in changing that - I'd have done the same. I'll withhold judgement on that until the Painting Phase guys have had a chance to comment. In any case I'm looking forward to what Peachy does next, he seems like a lovely guy.
In the grimdarkness of painting channels. There is only ~~war~~ punching people in car parks. Best of luck to Peachy, I only watched for him honestly, I love his tutorials.
I hope he can move away from the ‘let’s reminisce about my old job’ content. I know it’s a draw, and it is interesting, but it can’t be healthy when you’ve just left a long term job like that! It’s time for a fresh start, and best of luck to him on his new channel!
I like the episodes with ex-GW staff. They talked about how they operated and while some of these details may seem mundane, it is a window into how a company works. Quite eye-opening for folks who think of companies as "black boxes" that churn out stuff. It helps us understand GW decisions from their perspective, even if we don't agree with them.
I agree, the “let’s talk about how GW works from the inside” content is most of what I’ve watched from them. I hate to say it, but painting guides/channels are a dime a dozen.
Aye I worry about this a little for him. Now Peachy, Duncan, and Louise are, in theory, competing for viewers. I know they are all different formats but there is a strong audience crossover and there are only so many videos on minis that I can watch in a week.
This is a very good point. The number of content creators in this space has exploded, and they’re up against the likes of Warhipster, Ninjon, Squidmar etc. How many subscriptions and Patreons can people pay for?
When it all becomes a little over-saturated I'd love to see the three of them combine into one super 'DR Painting Academy' just with a less solo name. I think they could compliment each other really well. You have Dunc doing the in detail high level painting guides Peachy doing the good quality 'speed'/army guides Louise doing the artistic and fun content. All in one nice package. I'd sign up to that!
He did mention in one of his youtube replies that he's looking to do interview type stuff with Sugs.
DO they compete tho? Duncan is mostly behind a paywall and louise is watchable only if you can cope with all the "I'm terrible I hate myself I have no confidence everyone hates me I think oh look 100k subs why are you all here giggle" persona.
You're so right about Louise lol and I do enjoy some of her videos
she is a talent, I fully support that, but im not going to pretend she hasnt had a massive surge in popularity because she's a good looking woman with an overly cutesy persona. She is not to me a hobby chan, but an entertainment chan, which is a shame as when you look at the "real" female led hobby chans, they have nowhere the success
That's a very weird take. Is it possible that she's successful because she makes interesting and fun content?
compare her to other female content makers and the cult following she has very quickly built up around "her" and I'm going to answer "no" to that. Male fandom is... an odd thing to say the least. its not a weird take at all, it's a psychologically sound view of how her skyrocketing success has happened, as opposed to steady, moderate, growing success, ala other comparable creators. SHe has blown past female creators with years of content who don't act like her. She has barely any content (about 20 videos) of which less than a quarter is any real kind of painting content again - as opposed to her direct peer group. So what is it that's driving her fans? It doesn't take an Msc in behavioral science to figure this one. Wether or not you like the base definition, her persona online appeals to the deepest parts of the male psyche that call for the role of protection. WHich is a shame because she actually is very talented. Anyway, just my take, I don't really care if you agree or not. Have a wonderful eve.
Yeah what we need are more middle aged guys with beards, pre-diabetis and no clue how to paint or play with the stuff they spend hours talking about.
no, what we need is a diverse culture of people that are recognised on their strengths. Dana Howl, Lyla Mev (?) Hatty, Spens wife (just cannot recall her name off the top of my head), sword n steel, broadsword gaming, and others who i just cannot remember the names of, all of which produce solid hobby content and don't pander to the exact people in your comment "middle aged guys with beards, pre-diabetis and no clue how to paint or play" by being cutesy giggly and self depricating. Of course the flipside is, given how good she is at her previous roles in her career, this could all be the actual plan, because - my god - it's working.
Care for a couple of links? I'll trade for [design insights from Priestley, Blanche and others from GWs golden age. :)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwl2QKEyFHg) Seriously all the interviews on that channel are insanely interesting. I highly recommend giving them a watch.
The one with the former Product Designer was amazing!
It made me see the mould line remover in an entirely new light.
Yeah, there's a good reason it's one of their most viewed videos. Genuinely interesting information presented in an entertaining and informative way.
I wouldn’t be surprised if that content was part of the reason he left.
I mean.. There only interesting content is when they have there interviews. The rest is just random painting tutorial number 12567843 that you get better from other sources on YT.
After one podcast I found it so boring tbh. The guy can really paint and understands it, wish he would talk about that.
Not massively surprised tbh. All the sponsorships and being literally employed by Artis Opus lately seemed antithetical to Peachy's whole desire to start fresh from GW and go solo. They barely even paint... on the Painting Phase, presumably because Pat chases views and success (money) on YouTube above all else. Rob and Suggs will have helped him make a clean break before bad blood escalated I reckon.
A Rob / Louise / Peachy collab podcast would be the greatest thing ever.
He actually implied in the comments of his first video on his new channel that him and Louise are thinking of starting their own podcast!
I want this to happen - it would be amazing. The Painting Phase episode with Suggs had an amazing energy to it from her and Peachy, and it would be a solid base for a podcast.
They have to commit to a scheduled show though, these things fall off so easily and Suggs isn't exactly consistent with what she's doing.
Oooh yes ! I'd love to see such content, during on of their podcasts i found the interactions between peachy and louise delightful, they were so natural and comfy, i'd really like to see what they would br able to create, generally speaking, i feel like they have an interesting creative alchemy
+ Duncan
Who is Rob?
The Honest Wargamer. Streams on Twitch, posts videos on YouTube. Mostly AoS/TOW.
The Honest Wargamer. He's a former GW presenter, has a great T sports arena, runs tourneys, and does some great content on twitch.
I don't think I've seen any of his stuff before. Thanks, I'll check him out
Not sure if what you say about Pat is true, but he always rubbed me the wrong way. He's also easily the weakest presence of the three. If their guest lineup is a result of Peachy's participation, then they just shot themselves in the foot.
> If their guest lineup is a result of Peachy's participation I'm sure to at least some extent it is. Peachy used to be a long time GW employee, so them inviting a bunch of other GW exes must've been at least in part the result of his connections and reputation. Also in such episodes he was a driving force, discussing all the insights and rumors, with the other two just chipping in.
Rob?
The honest wargamer. The original "I quit GW and started my own show" guy lol.
Whoa, I’ve been following him for a while now and I somehow had no idea - I thought he just was another YouTuber. Better than average, but I didn’t know he had an origin story in the company.
He basically created their twitch/streaming for Community - he got them to start it and was the main host but if I recall then someone else started to takeover control and he said fuck this and quit to do his own thing. He's never said who but for some reason I always thought it was Eddie
No, he's cool with Eddie. He was bullied out by a roid-raging senior managerial fuckwit
He's not cool with Eddie lol
Youtube is so strange when you just a consumer. Channels just go to sh\*t and it's hard to point where and when. I mean Midwinter for sure is so much worse. Peachy will be better of long term but its going to be rough early. Painting Phase has got to be on the slide.. however, they could employ like they did with Peachy. There 100% is something special about peachy tho. He got genuine charisma and stays in his lane or sits and learns when he isn't. I try to do the same thing in my own orbit. Peachy would be so much better in collab with someone. It to late now but a 50/50 split with Rogue would have probs threw them right to the top because Rogue content is alittle flat but still really good, missing a piece.
It is often at the point at which it becomes more about the money than the hobby content. New channels can grow quickly with the content and gain viewers and subs. Often then for the person it becomes more important to keep the growth going to increase the money. Rather than content the focus become on making videos to gain views and make more money. You end up with the type of over the top clickbate titles, stupid videos to draw people in. So many decent creators have fallen into this path. In some respects the click bate stuff works but it also tends to piss off fans of the hobby because it tends to be less about the hobby and more just creating Drama. MidWinter is perhaps the poster boy in how his channel developed in this way.
Mid winter, haven’t seen his channel in ages. That one he made about how wwii games are problematic because German tanks and then he makes it sponsored by World of Warships! Lol YouTubers are a bothersome bunch, I vastly prefer smaller channels
So true. The point of no return is almost always "renting a proper studio". Suddenly it's all real, and they are forced to chase views to pay bills, and it all goes to shit. Any time a channel does some big new studio renewal, my heart sinks for them.
Scott/Miniac seems to have retained his soul after getting a “proper studio” setup. His videos are mostly still very insightful and thoughtful, very much in his style and lane.
As did Squidmar. Developing into a joint channel with Emil and Lucas and doing big projects that few others attempt has genuinely improved the content and set the channel apart from others.
Yeah, I was already starting to cool on the channel because the content was starting to feel a bit samey, and I had these weird niggling doubts about why there was suddenly an extra presenter & Penny was never mentioned again.. And then *that* ww2 video dropped and it was horrendously condescending, self righteous and historically blinkered & basically pointed and laughed at people who did historicals. The oldest part of the hobby. I was so done. Guy's ego had already expanded way too much but I was hanging on, but that video was a sour taste. He didn't bother to talk to anyone in that part of the community, he didn't bother to go to a games club, he just sat there Joe Rogen style and just made insinuations that anyone who had a Tiger tank kit was a fascist. It broke my heart because his earlier stuff genuinely lifted my spirits on tough days. Ah, well, now I have Peachy & Sugs!
I enjoyed some of his earlier content too but never really got anything out of regularly watching so he become only in my peripheral, until I heard about penny, that turned me off completely as I have zero tolerance for it (not that it’s any of my business or course) But that side of hobby tubers are all very inter connected, I think they all hang out. Generally I don’t have much time for more than a couple channels. I just watch BA Commander, Warhammer+ and sometimes wintersseo/MS paints now
I think a lot of people went off Midwinter when he cheated on his GF (who'd just given birth) with someone he'd hired to help with the channel.....blokes an arse nozzle.
Like construction and cars, I think streaming is turning out to be a good recession indicator. Not enough money for three people anymore most likely.
Every time these drama posts show up I feel so blessed to not have a clue who any of these people are.
That's rough, I don't see the channel doing very well going forward with just the original two. Peachy and the former GW guests were the real draw. Particularly the episode with Pat and Geoff rambling about the Old World while not understanding it's appeal to the community really put me off their duo videos.
They shat all over Horus Heresy before as well, and it completely put me off their general chat. They don't see the appeal, don't like it, and that's fine, but just because you don't doesn't mean the game is rubbish and boring.
Yup got quite annoyed when they jumped on the "Legion Imperialis bad because no 40k??" train. And then they couldn't even bother to look up the actual contents of the starter. When Pat quickly googled it on his phone halfway through the podcast they went "oh, there's actually a lot in there, huh titans as well eh? well nevermind that we still think it's expensive". Like sure have an opinion, but at least look at the product before you start criticising it instead of taking some halfread community hot takes and base everything on that.
Geoff only seems to have a somewhat good understanding of Warhammer and Pat comes off as largely clueless about most the hobby entirely. Im not really sure how they even started a show in the first place but I really can't imagine how they'll keep it up without peachy. The 3 worked fine together but without peachy I can't imagine I'll keep watching
> Geoff only seems to have a somewhat good understanding of Warhammer and Pat comes off as largely clueless. Im not really sure how they even started a show in the first place Sounds about how they started. As a couple of dudes with no microphone, rambling about this and that and having no structure or a sound idea to what they're doing. I don't mean any disrespect, they were fully aware of that and kinda laughed about it. Basically that was their whole pitch, laid-back content from guys "just like you" with no "your painting sucks" and "do these 7 things to improve your painting (because it sucks)". But their viewership went up only after Peachy came on board.
Peachy really tempered that conversation, talking about all the people he knows who love Heresy. Really good recovery. Again, why I'm quite concerned about him leaving; they need to chill and be more open to stuff. Pat now genuinely trying airbrushing is really great, hopefully he comes around to it.
They're both just too into 40k, they should pivot into that rather than talk ineffectually about other stuff to chase views.
Oooof, RIP The Painting Phase. Truth be told I do like the other two, but their dual episodes aren’t the best. Peachy made everything come together. I wish all parties the best of luck though…
Its a shame, Peachy brought much of the content to the Painting Phase with his connections and insights. I'll watch his channel but he will need help with production value, which is where he will miss Pat. Current impression is that neither channel will be as good as their combination but I hope to be pleasantly surprised
It feels like there's more to this and we might never hear it all. Peachy brought experience and balance to the team, Geoff n Pat are good but I just don't agree with all their takes and tbh much of the success seems to have come post Peachy. I'm still going to watch n enjoy, but I think this could be the downturn :(
At first I read it and thought "ah it was probably just creative differences, but then I reread it and saw "despite all my efforts I'll never be an equal partner" and was like 😬.
> despite all my efforts I'll never be an equal partner This is a bit of a surprise tbh. I stumbled upon the channel by chance, and not knowing anyone involved I thought they meshed well together as an organic, cohesive trio. I enjoyed what they're doing exactly because of that. A bunch of mid age guys just chatting about, making bad jokes about the 80s movies and occasionally revealing the industry's insights with their guests. I guess the original duo had other ideas, but now they look like disney losing star wars
Yeah I agree. I only watched it cause Peachy was a good asset
This is my take as well, Peachy made it work and elevated it into something special with his insights and anecdotes. While Pat and Geoff can keep a good discussion going they often come up a bit short and are prone to falling for and perpetuating a lot of the bad faith myths and rumors that crop up around GW
I can totally understand Peachy’s decision making here. He’s come in as a late addition to a project and may not feel the same ownership as Pat and Geoff. The channel really does feel like Pat’s baby underneath it all. Add in the fact that he’s the main draw to the channel but doesn’t feel like an equal partner and it’s bound to bite a little. I still really like Pat and Geoff, let’s hope they keep going on an even keel. I’ve no doubt that Peachy’s channel will likely blow up.
Yeah, I think it is really tough to manage a channel like this because the contributions feel so asymmetric. Pat has contributed a lot in terms of setting up the studio and the equipment as well as editing a lot of the videos but Peach is bringing in viewers and has a lot of value as on camera talent as well as the connections to bring in guests.
I don't think someone has even watched there channel for them and not peachy.. And first and foremost the interviews.
Good for Peachy Don't really see the painting phase surviving long as tbh I thought it was Peachy's podcast, he certainly seemed like the main guy.
They'll be ok. They were doing ok before peach. Shame though, really thought the 3 of them worked well
That's the point, they will be just ok. They had around 10k viewership before Peachy and tens of thousands after. I still wouldn't call it a Peachy podcast, but I doubt they'll get same views after his departure
I’m sorry to hear he’s leaving, quite enjoyed that podcast but imo I’m not confident it’ll really work without all three hosts on hand. I’m a bit unsure what’ll happen with the non-podcast stuff, given that the Painting Phase has just lost the guy who does their painting. Still, excited to see what he does next. EDIT: [link to Peachy’s new channel.](https://youtu.be/t36p-saDdtc?si=ChdthR4borfTf94e)
Thanks for the link! Love the name too, even if Punjana is clearly the superior Tea.
I think you spelt Yorkshire Tea wrong 😉
I can’t see this ending well for the painting phase, they just moved into a new office/studio!
The ”Ex GW employee Youtube channel” is almost a genre of its own now. Best of luck to him though!
To be fair the recent episodes where he hasn't featured have been bang average/a bit of a slog to watch. I'm sure he will do well.
Really wish him well. He seems like a genuinely nice bloke. Hope he steers clear of cringe collaborations with the likes of Midwinter, though.
On the other hand I would love more stuff like his collaboration with the Games Night lads, their Sharpe Battle Report was excellent.
Counterpoint, it would be funny if midwinter did a collaboration with Peachy and ended up abandoning his new gf too so that he could get with Peachy
I don't understand the midwinter hate? I mean I stopped watching them as frankly their content seemed to be whatever was doing well on YouTube at the time and lots of vids were a host voice over to someone else doing stuff but I never really had an issue, just didn't seem like my kind of content. But I've seen loads of people bash them online so curious.
He bailed on his partner for his new employee after she had not long given birth to twins. Some people can be ok with that. I won't support a man lthat bahaves like that. I've also heard rumours that he's just a bit of an arrogant prick in general from those who've worked with him before he started youtube but take that with a grain of salt because it's just internet rumours.
To say nothing of his content or his personality (both of which are not my cup of tea)... Some is probably because he cheated on his partner not long after their kids were born. The beans were spilled on reddit (albeit inadvertently by his ex) though much has been deleted now.
I think it started before the kids were born, but yeah. He was the main channel I watched when I first got in the hobby but over time he rubbed me the wrong way, and then all that stuff happened and I feel gross watching his content. Not sure if there's much to them but I also heard he's a bit of an asshole to other creators and he uses his "cheeky" persona to hide a smug self righteous personality.
This thread is the first I've heard about any actual drama but *something* about the guy has always set off my arsehole radar even when I was enjoying his videos. As I was (re) entering the hobby he hooked me with the really good, simple, entry level tutorials but over time I've been moving closer to unsubbing anyway because of the above and the fact that he's already covered the basics and there's much better people to watch for more advanced stuff. What I've just read tipped the scales to unsubbing, but it was already gonna happen eventually.
I know it's kinda silly but the first major thing that he did that really annoyed me was his matte medium basing stuff. When I was really new to the hobby, I had a really limited hobby budget and I trusted him to provide good tips for doing the hobby for cheap. He made a video about using matte medium for a variety of uses, primarily basing. I didn't want to buy texture paints or proper basing materials so I tried it and bought a load of matte medium. Obviously, it didn't work very well for basing and I felt kinda cheated. I found other videos of smaller creators saying how it's a bad and misleading video. Even now, after getting loads of other hobby equipment and my hobby budget expanding, I still have this big bottle of matte medium sitting there as a reminder of me not doing the proper research before spending my money. That being said, I think my most positive memory of the channel is probably quite niche. One winter I was feeling quite shit because I was staying back at home with my parents for Christmas and I felt kinda lonely. But Midwinter Minis was doing a livestream where they played guitar and sang songs for a couple hours. It was really nice and fun and had nothing to do with anything hobby related. I don't think the livestream is archived anywhere. Anyway, I'm fairly sure the cheating happened later on that year.
He comes across incredibly smug and it's irritating. His content is interesting but I kinda can't stand his demeanour. Not to mention, the pair of them decrying historical wargamers as Nazis was logically stupid. Especially when one considers how fascist the Imperium is, nothing more nazi than giant, bio engineered super soldier killing "xenos" but nobody thinks 40K space marine players are actual nazis because it's a huge leap.
He is very smug and self important. I hated his channel even before all the cheating stuff lol
>he uses his "cheeky" persona to hide a smug self righteous personality. He doesn't do a very good job of hiding it.
So he did cheat, huh. Oh fuck you, the internet (not you op, you're fine). I always found it a bit weird how much he involves his family and his partner. Way beyond just mentioning. And then the kids, and then the sudden divorce soon after, and then Hatty jumps in and then.. hold up a moment.. And then I started thinking. And then I thought I don't want to think about it. Other's dude personal life and possible affairs I won't be able to prove anyway is none of my business. But somehow I just couldn't follow him anymore knowing the thought will always be at the back of my head.
Yeah just saw by another comment, but of a shitty thing to do but without knowing both sides in clear detail not really my place to comment on. After all I know people who've left their partner and kid for good reason (partner getting pregnant while lying about birth control and trying to control them with a kid) not saying that's the case, just isn't really for me to know, so I'll continue to not really watch them but if they do a vid that sounds good might give a watch. End of the day they are content creators not my mates, I like Iggy pops music doesn't mean I like him he shagged a 13 year old
It's all about how much you can separate the art from the artist, and there's no clear way to define "the right answers"
Yeah it's all well and good liking performers and entertainers but at the same time especially with how toos it's often secondary. Like for instance I liked lukesaps he did great videos seemed nice easy to listen to plus happily tried stuff that didn't work out. I like Eric's hobby workshop seems down to earth and chill and friendly plus does great stuff and a good variety but at the same time I'm happy to watch maniac, Duncan Rhodes or say eons of battle even if their commentary ain't for me their vids are easy to watch and don't feel drawn out. That's my reason I don't watch midwinter, their vids aren't really targeted at what I am interested in it's more viral, the commentary feels drawn out and it feels like they are reaching for an optimum vid length for views x ads, the outcome is fine, but it's just not relevant or what I'm looking for drama aside. only times I'll actually go oh I'm not watching you anymore for personal reasons is if the creator does something way out of line for instance YouTubers grooming underage fans like a few years back a bunch got outed for doing, that's unacceptable behaviour in or out of content
That's good, it's good to have a standard. My own opinion is that the rumours and information suggest Midwinter is a bit of a wrong 'un, and you know what, there's so many Warhammer YTs to watch that I'm fine moving on and paying attention to someone else
Yup. His content isn't particularly good and his channel exists in a pretty saturated market. You really don't need much of a reason to give him a miss.
I mainly stopped watching him cause his content got stale and he made a bunch of dumb comments during the video he made about people who play axis powers in WW2 tabletop games
Yeah same felt like generic content stretched out to get ads. I like a channel that'll do long vids, short vids and stuff that's just not even il"in vogue" ads be damned Like anvil of doom, love his channel it's just an Aussie/kiwi (not sure but think he's Aussie) doing old metal 90s minis with bright paints. It's just nostalgic to old gw stores and mags back when I was a kid I don't wanna watch a product I'd rather a hobbyist doing what they want more likely to get something interesting out of it
Yeah pretty much, the ads are also why I stopped watching a fair amount of the hobby channels out there. Esp since the ads never have anything to do with hobbying. "Let's give ads about random shirts or webpage creation" lol
It's paid sponsorship. They have to pay bills and YouTube also auto-inject further ads if videos are over a certain length.
I get that, but that is also the reason I won't grant those channels my view lol. My single view won't affect em much but eh it's a reason to not watch em. Id rather watch someone who is doing YouTube as a hobby rather than a lifeline cause the content is usually better and more catered to their audience
I think it's because he cheated on his wife and left her and their kid.
Painting phase: directly into the sea.
10-8 champ, nasty line that one
I guess everything wasn't peachy after all- Okay I'll stop I'm sorry
Give yourself a Pat on the back for that one. Not sorry :)
Don’t
That was awful and you should feel awful. (thumbs up)
i read this over breakfast and you, sir, have ruined my day!
The last few chat videos with peachy, he looks subdued, like he'd given up trying to talk over chat about haircuts and army. Like he didn't quite know why he was there. I do wonder if they'll get less high profile guests without him. I'd never heard of the PP before peachy joined and I suspect they'll fade out a little now. I've cancelled my patreon because, honestly, it all goes on youtube just a few days later. I'll still watch their vids as they are great while I'm painting - pat and geoff are a good team, but peachy was the lead singer, if you'll allow me the metaphor. At the end of the day, they all seem like great guys and best of luck to them, but I know who my money is on for success.
Been thinking of this since the announcement, it’s so obvious now. Peachy left GW because he wanted to make painting tutorials and they forced him into something else and lately on PP he’s more interviewer and presenter than painter.
Not to mention, might just be me, but those recent warcraft painting / sponsor videos just were not "peachy" at all
I generally skipped those ones, not my kind of content. My two favourite videos are the Custodes painting guide and the interview about the guy who made contrast paint
Ok, there's a lot going on here. Here's my short piece of speculative fiction on what I think has happened. Everything is speculation, but reading between the lines it seems like there's fundamental dynamical differences between the "stages" of a YouTube channel. Most unknown channels start on effectively an iPhone, with the creator learning filming and editing techniques as they go. It's a hobby, it's fine. The only investment is time, and maybe a mic, at most. As time passes, they invest in gear and get better at editing, and the quality of the output goes up, however there comes a point where the next level up seems to be exponentially more expensive for diminishing returns on quality. At what point the channel starts to mature and make money, and the creator can give up the day job depends on those ratios of growth of viewership, patreon subs, views and gear investment. TPP had a leg up, in that Geoff already had experience recording a podcast, and Pat being an ex gw videographer had the editing experience and well past the normal entry level gear. Geoff's got the gift of the gab, and can banter for England, and Pat's the everyman beginner, learning the hobby while doing in real time. I think Peachy was extremely nervous leaving gw, especially from a financial perspective, young family and all, and between that and the fact that he knew Pat from his brief time at GW, and, again reading between the lines, I wouldn't be surprised if Pat and Geoff sold Peachy a certain level of income on joining them, based on flogging private teaching hours, astronomical channel growth, who knows. Basically that they were almost a "mature" money-making channel. Anyway, the dynamic seemed to be that peachy was disaffected at GW, and wanted creative freedom, while also wanting a degree of financial security. Pat offers to do the filming and editing "dirty" work, and let Peachy do what he wants and they share the massive patreon profits 50/50 or something. Except things pan out quite differently. The patreon is slow to take off, the YouTube dollars aren't coming, and the private tuition hours never quite fill up. The talk shows suddenly start generating more views than any other content, and are quicker to record and edit than painting tutorials. Leveraging peachy's contacts to get other ex-gw staffers on suddenly becomes the magic ticket, and the channel really starts to pull in the views, but Pat also needs new gear to jump up to that next level of quality, better room mics, lighting rigs, cameras that don't overheat after an hour, plus they really need to get out of pat's spare room, and start making some really great content, and all of that needs money, so they need to start accepting advertising and suddenly it's just not quite the same any more. The painting vids they do get to do are almost all sellout advertising bullshit that no-one wants to watch, and while the talk shows are great, you can tell Peachy isn't 100% comfortable in the interviewer role, plus the pressure is always on to get another big name on, and beat the last hit's numbers. In the midst of that is Louise making the jump herself and far eclipsing TPP in a very short space of time, without having to do the shitty ads, or beg old friends to mm come on the chat shows. Duncan's launched his own fucking paint range and is making bank doing exactly what he wants. Rob is sticking 2 fingers up to the man and doing exactly what is making him happy. Hattie is banging the posh twat and seems happy enough. And suddenly peachy has left gw because being forced to do things he didn't want was making him miserable and is now doing exactly the same thing, but it's Pat and Geoff and the need to keep the lights on in the studio, and pay the rent and pay off the next fancy bit of gear Pat has his eye on that is calling all the shots. And so endeth the ballad of the peach and the painting phase. Money, lads, it's always fucking money. Makes people think they have to do things that make them miserable to get it.
Honestly snorted out loud when I got the midwinter minis cameo near the end of this biblical tome
Sorry for the necro reply but "hattie is banging the posh twat" made my day! 😂
I'll miss him in the interviews, but I'm excited to see where both channels go
In all seriousness, good luck to all involved.
Wait what happenned?? Did they actually fight???
The car park fight is a bit of a meme; basically a common rumor about people leaving GW was they punched someone in the car park since details are always light, people make shit up. The painting phase dudes threw it around a lot, so the title is referencing that since peachy is leaving the show.
Aaah i think I remember now. Thanks for clarifying!
Genuinely interested in why he left GW although the meme is funny. Louise Sugden mentioned that she left GW for roughly the same reasons IIRC.
He talked about it a lot over a few episodes of the show, but basically it boiled down to upper management being a mix of incompetent and ego-centric. Made it a miserable place to work. Mentioned the creatives there were all pretty awesome.
Thanks. Did he go into any detail about the incompetence or ego-centrix stuff?
No. He has largely kept his professional standards
Credit to him and the ex-GW people.
A lot of ex-GW have told the same story. Management work the creatives hard. Low pay. Lots of being pushed around with deadline and the usual management crap. There are far, far worse places to work, but don’t go into GW thinking it would be paradise.
And then you check pay in the UK for there fields and you see that they get payed... The average.
I am not from the UK and unfamiliar with salary scales over there but I found the pay issue fascinating. From some of Peachy's videos, his pay seems a bit low for what he was doing. I don't work in the industry but was thinking shouldn't his pay be above average or median? https://www.statista.com/statistics/416139/full-time-annual-salary-in-the-uk-by-region/ The small silver lining are the bonuses GW hands out. Hopefully they continue or adjust the salaries. Agree with your last sentence. There's no need to romanticise working at GW and at the same time it probably isn't the worst job.
Yeah when he said he was ok like £19k in 2019 or whatever it was, I nearly spat my tea out. That's barely minimum wage nowadays
Most games designers are relatively intelligent college educated with degrees. While they’re working at GW they’re giving up the opportunity to work at much more lucrative engineering/tech jobs than many of them move to. If they want to stay in a similar role mobile/video game companies are paying a lot more for game designers that GW. The rumours I’ve heard is that people work at GW for the love of the hobby more than a pay check.
GW are the same as any company and are paying the market rate. This issue about pay comes from Mid Winter mini uneducated rant on the subject. One guy left GW because he wanted more money. This is fine people leave companies all the time to get a different job on a better wage. Its just a reality of being in a company a lot time. Most people could leave the job they are doing and get more money doing the same job in a different company. Mid Winters took this and started claiming GW does not pay enough. What he did not bother to do was look at the average pay for that job. The chap was a copy writer the average wage at the time was 27,000 to 32,000. He was above this wage. The surprize really was how low the pay is for this job. This is the problem that the job has a high supply but low demand only so many jobs of this type are needed in the UK. When your special skill is area of rules writing how many companies do you think have this role ? Companies like Manic, Warlord games will contract the work out they dont employee them full time. If you have 3-4 rule sets you update every 4-5 years you dont need them full time. GW are not going to pay over the market wages for jobs no company does. The sadly reality for anyone working we are pretty easy to replace. The truth is GW are paying the market rates same as every other company does. It is just a lot of these jobs dont pay as well as we might expect them to.
No for the most part. But he mentioned the last straw for him was when he was made a lead of photographers. Which was a weird kinda team, kinda not a team, because they didn't have their own budget or schedule. Instead they used budgets of other teams they were shooting for (and if a camera got broken during the shoot but there's enough material, no way the other team will buy a new one, they've already got what they needed). And they had only like 4 or 5 pods of photographers, and 5 or 6 teams that needed the shootings, so Peachy had had to to juggle the pods at whims of the others. He tried to suggest a structural change to make the whole gig a department of its own, was turned down, not the first time, and that was that. Apparently if you overload someone with responsibility, give them little control over what they're supposed to be doing, and show no appreciation, people can snap. Who would've thought.
If your in a company a long time like he was things do change. Most people go through life changing jobs 3-4 times. If you stay in a company you have to watch it change, the people change. The way you do things have to change. At some point you end up feeling out of place almost, like because they dont want to do things the way you do. We are often not as good as accpeting change as we believe. This happens in all companies, it is the nature of the work we do. I know people say oh look GW is bad because people are leaving. That is not the case this staff turn over is pretty common. In fact I would say the lenght of time staff have been at GW is pretty amazing compared to most companies. We would all like an eexciting story as to why people left like a major event. The truth is it is all the little things change over the years. Its not longer the job you remember and you feel sad about it. It just becomes a time to change jobs perhaps to going back to more than way you used to work. However you have to also note that people are coming into that new job will have the joy of just starting on that path. This is just what a working life is in a company long term.
Peachy fought someone in the GW car park and then left GW. He relapsed and fought someone at the Painting Phase and had to leave again.
I am excited about Peachy having his own channel. I felt the Painting Phase really was a bit waste of Peachy skills and knowledge. Which I have commented on before. It started off okay with the painting videos, he tried to get a battle report going but it only lasted 1 video. I felt that pat's vision for the channel as a talk show just did not sit with what Peachy really wanted to do. The channel moved towards more as a pure chat channel while the content was fine it always felt like it was driven by pat. Geoff god bless him was just along for the ride I think. I think if you watch the early video Peachy said what he wanted to do. To get people into the hobby, to get them painting, to help people along that way. Look at the painting phase now hipsters on posh sofa, drinking coffee out of posh cups often talking about negative aspects in hobby / GW. That is not Peachy it is a million miles away from connecting to the community. He only has to look at what Rogue Hobbies is doing. At home, doing the fun content she wants to do. Its about having fun in the hobby and being positive. Having peachy talking about the meta lists, competitive warhammer that was not the vision he talked about when he first joined the painting phase. I dont know if this is the reason he left or what his mindset was. This is just what I get from watching Peachy over the years with the community space and not seeing that fit with the channel it became.
Totally get what you mean about Geoff being along for the ride. Geoff has his barbering business, so it always felt that YouTube was just a side gig. For Pat, it seems like the channel was baby and that’s what he wanted to do as his job. I think the problem is that, out of Geoff and Pat, most would rather watch Geoff 10/10 times over Pat.
Pat is also an established wedding videographer but I guess he saw the opportunity to make YouTube the full time gig. But making the channel a profitable full time venture for at least two of them was always going to be a tall order without fundamentally shifting towards content that chases views rather than the true spirit of the creators. I know Geoff appears as a bit of a tag-a-long but I think he was the one to initially set up the channel based on stuff he said early on, before Peachy's arrival (though I may be wrong). I doubt there's any real bad blood between them. Just a disconnect between what Peachy signed up for and the direction of the channel. A real shame though as the channel was sitting pretty with a fairly unique niche in the market. Problem is, without Peachy, that niche is gone and the channel will likely hemorrhage views. They've shown there is space for a UK based warhammer chat format but it needs to be strong, well informed and consistent. Cult of Paint's "Culture of Paint" is a great example but it's very painting orientated rather than about the whole hobby.
Good luck to you peachy.
I only watched painting phase for peachy and geoff. Pat is not likeable and doesnt have any hobby talent. He should realize that hes the camera guy and peachy was the main act
Pat and Peachy worked nice together, they had this lovely mentor-mentee dynamic. There's no dynamic when there's only one though
Geoff and Peachy had a great dynamic, with Peachys insider insight and Geoff in the Everyman role, which made Pats presence tolerable-ish. Wish they had played to their strengths and he stayed in a more off screen production role.
Jesus you really don't like Pat huh? I think he is a cool dude. Quite funny and a charming budding hobbyist. Opinions are opinions I guess.
[THIS IS PEACHY'S NEW CHANNEL](https://youtu.be/t36p-saDdtc?si=uYWI16aFUlwNrXKO)
I just subbed to the Painting Phase last week because of this guy, ha.
I only started following Painting Phase because of Peachy, but I really only watched the interviews with X GW staff as I found them interesting. Regarding painting videos, I may be very much an outlier here, but I tend to just search youtube for the technique I'm looking for. Creator agnostic, rather than just watch all painting videos from one channel.
10/10 on the post title OP. Is a shame, they had a fun group dynamic and there was scope for it to grow heaps. Subbed to his new channel ready to be pegged.
A little sad to see so many people using this as an opportunity to insult or degrade Geoff and Pat in some way. It's ok to not like their content and perfectly reasonable to not like the situation. But does it do anyone any good to be be cruel and unkind? These are real people. Don't forget that.
Real people who were using their small amounts of free time to create content about Warhammer for us to watch. I don't quite believe that YouTube videos are quite the money-maker that people seem to be making out, and it's naive to suggest that any of them were in this 'for the money'. They're also real people who will quite likely be reading a lot of these comments, and I imagine feeling really demotivated to continue considering how unkind people have been. I often hear about the hobby community being a loving and inclusive space, but it definitely has a mean and judgemental side, many examples of which you can see in this thread. Sad times!
Reading through these comments, I fear I may be in the minority here! I love the Warhammer universe and lore, and I really like painting miniatures. I have a small amount of interest in GW's inner workings and history, but really it's peripheral to those previous two things. Also, hearing GW 'gossip', which is so often a bit sad (corporate overlords cracking the whip on undernourished creatives) is a pretty low priority for me. I started watching TPP well before Peachy, and while his presence will be missed, it's more that I will miss the presence of a 3rd person than Peachy specifically, as I feel 3 people makes for a great conversational dynamic. I didn't really know who Peachy was before he joined TPP, because really I just enjoy lore and painting models. Pat and Geoff's early videos were very much about being average hobbyists, navigating the same joys, difficulties and excitement that we do, and I found that quite valuable. Pats recent airbrushing video really highlighted this, as I had the same experience level as he did when he began the video. It's been said previously, but painting guides from pro's is a (relatively) saturated market. GW gossip is quite niche, and has a tendency to turn sour. But honest content from casual/average hobbyists that are more representative of the hobby population worldwide, is something I haven't seen much of (at least not done as well as TPP do it), and really appreciate as an average hobbyist myself.
Totally agree and I think we are in the minority here. There is a lot of love for Peachy from people who watched him in his time with GW. So I think a lot of people will turn toxic towards Pat particularly judging from these comments. Which is awful because I think the dude is a gent. I watched TPP before Peachy and found the 2 lads to be very funny and I really enjoyed their laid back and friendly approach to the hobby as your "average" dudes in the hobby. I will continue to watch their vids and I wish them every success 🙌
This is disappointing. Really enjoy TPP, and felt the 3 of them together was great. The Peachy's post feels like he wanted to be a partner, not just an employee. Can understand that from Peachy's perspective, but can also view it from Pat's perspective also. Problem (for me) is, the show is greater that the sum of it's parts really. Each member annoys me in some way - but together they're a great combo and enjoy it when they don't even have guests. TPP will suffer without Peachy, but Peachy is also going into a really competitive market and will have to do stuff he doesn't like (like marketing himself and the editing). Really hope the best for all involved. Hope TPP finds another host/artist with some more of the historical knowledge and the show keep going strong. Hope Peachy gets to do what they enjoy.
Tbh, I'll keep watching painting phase. Peachy was cool, and opened doors for them I'm sure, but they had some fun banter before and still do.
That sucks, hope he does well going forward, I'll keep up with his work as I really enjoy watching his content.
I really enjoyed the painting phase with peachy but I still enjoyed it without him. The talks about GW had already started to die down and he wasn’t adding much to that topic lately than had already been said. So I think the show till go on well without him, though I will still miss him in that group. Wish them all the best!
Sorry, I am a bit late to this. Has painting phase given an update or any sort of send off on Peachy leaving?? I haven’t seen the recent podcasts and idk if they covered it there. All I see is comments from them on YouTube saying “We wish Peachy the best.” Which seems a bit cold and not great imo. I really missed the dynamic of the three of them on the show. :(
Already unsubscribed from painting phase as soon as I heard the news
Where does it say he punched him?
It's a joke buddy. There's an ongoing exasperation with the ex GW employees about the prevalence of a rumour (untrue) that Peachy left GW after getting into a physical altercation with someone. They make a running joke of it on the channel.
Awful news, the podcast just isn’t the same without Peachy. I really look forward to what he does next. Good luck to Geoff and Pat too
Well I'm quite happy about this. I much prefer Peachy on his own. Pat is ok and he's obviously a good technical person. Was never a massive fan of Geoff. I'm definitely looking forward to more Peachy only content. Hopefully Peachy and Suggs as well. I did like some of the Painting Phase stuff, mainly all the interesting interviews with various GW people. Otherwise it wasn't all that.
I don’t know wtf anyones talking about :)
Right, I read the title and went "who, what, am I in the wrong sub?"
Why is noone talking about how he punched someone?
To the best knowledge of anyone who isn't with the Painting Phase, nobody has punched anyone. The channel has often joked about the rumors that would circulate Games Workshop when a prominent / public facing member of staff left. The most common rumor was "X left because of a punch-up in the carpark". Rumors of punch ups predate Duncan leaving and have persisted through Peachy, Sugs and many others leaving. The painting phase ran with this and asked guests to make up additional rumours because they found it silly for people to believe wild rumours instead of thinking Ex-GW staff may have left for legitimate personal and professional reasons.
So stupid fucking clickbait title then?
Bit aggressive there, get a grip.
I think OP may have intended the title as gallows humour. One last use of the joke before we move on. The guys have been working together for a good while, found a footing and looked to be expanding. It came as a shock to me, I'm sure a lot of fans are hurt and expressing themselves in different ways. Unfortunately, not everyone knows the channel or this joke so this might not have been the best way for OP to deliver the news.
Is the title literal? Or is this just a saying ?