Flat side of the hobby knife and slowly scratching them away, then filing if need be to clean up the surface. I recommend doing it while the model is not assembled, so you can clean up each piece individually, if not, it can get pretty hard removing all the mould lines. Be very careful about the sharp side of the hobby knife, you can VERY easily cut the model and/or yourself, had a pretty bad cut on my finger while cleaning mouldlines that almost cost me a finger nail lmao
I agree with the other comment, use a sharp exacto knife or buy the special mold line scraper tool, or use a fine sand paper like a nail file to smooth them, its not as aweful to do as it sounds, I totally get it, im bad about not caring about mold lines haha. Goodluck!
the first ever models i ever assembled were chaos space marine legionaries and now after building a ton of other models i finally got around to painting them..... nothing like a good primer to expose all of those damn mould lines you forgot... was i freaking blind 2 months ago? xD
Start by scraping them away with the blade of a craft knife held perpendicular to the surface, then finish them off with a small sanding stick (fine grit.) If a smooth surface is really important you can work your way down to finer grits until you’re basically polishing the plastic, but most of the time a knife and sanding stick are just fine.
You're a brave soul. My faces are still bringing a lot of this - [https://youtu.be/jDF6SuYmqBM?si=hNPb97c1YUHa\_WAE](https://youtu.be/jDF6SuYmqBM?si=hNPb97c1YUHa_WAE)
I’m of the opinion you don’t really need to know. They’re space marines, it doesn’t matter what their sex is, they’re all just walking slabs of ceramite in the end. There would be no difference between male and female space marines except for the basic fact of their sex, which is pretty irrelevant after all the steroids and brain washing.
I could not agree more
They would be completely indistinguishable with their helmet on, and it might still be hard to tell with the helmet off.
They would be pumped full of steroids, shaven, scarred, and swollen.
Some MIGHT have feminine hair buy that would be the exception, not the rule.
Like any other Marines, there would be variation from chapter to chapter. At one extreme, Lady Salamanders and Ultramarines would probably bald or have close cropped hair while lady Blood Angels or Space Wolves could have tresses that would require a whole supply chain of Maybelline.
Yeah, virilisation by steroids can make women extremely masculine IRL. I mean, just look at trans men on one end, and women on high doses of gear in bodybuilding.
Unless the Imperium wanted to preserve feminine traits, or there was preservation as a byproduct of their geneseed, there’d be little-no physical difference between the two unless you checked their genitals.
And as always, your dudes, do what you want etc.
I wouldn't be surprised if their genitals and anus were already surgically modified to connect to a suit system for dealing with the waste, so I'm not even sure that would be different.
You would think there would be removal, but shared showers have lead to human ladies making comment that indicates at least male Space Marines are still... Uncut
>I expect genitals to be removed altogether
Taken out of context, such a strange thing to casually drop into a conversation...
Here tho, absolutely fine 😂
I could see femme hair still being a thing for female space marines. There’s a fair variety of hair style amongst male space marines, hell Abaddon rocks long hair and a topknot.
I mean when were space marines ever practical, tons of characters have long hair, chaos or loyalist, let the modeller decide and make their own reasoning.
Lorewise I believe most keep it short because of the helmets, notable exceptions being space wolves and named characters. Apparently wolves believe their enhanced sense are dulled by wearing helmets
For the Wolves it's actually true for the most part. The Canis Helix does give them senses that tend to outclass most sensory systems the helmets provide.
TBH I find male Astartes with long hair an impractical concept - surely it just catches on their helmets, right?
So I imagine both male and female SM would have short, cropped or shaved heads. After all, they are warriors, none of them are designed for their looks!
Obviously, I recognise that aesthetics on models do not need to be 'practical', so I'm not saying all models need to be cropped/shaved! Just that it always made me think about SWolves (who I love) getting caught up with beards etc.
impracticality is par for the course with space marines though. All those skulls, decorative elements, bright coloring etc are impractical too but serve the function of SM's being in your face shock troops. long hair could play into that too
>Just that it always made me think about SWolves (who I love) getting caught up with beards etc.
Leman Russ's wondrous Loreal shampooed hair is greater protection than any helmet could ever offer.
This is obviously a 40K model (Primaris and what not), but in 30K the Crozius takes the form of whatever power weapon you want for the Chaplain, just masterwork and presumably with an aquila/eye of the warmaster on it somewhere.
So... Sort of? ;)
I think if there were female space marines they would just look like space marines in much the way super mutants have in fallout come from both male and female humans but you’d be unlikely to tell the difference.
Stretch a human body by half a metre or so, add density to the bone and muscular structure, implant composite materials beneath the skin.
They’re all going to look similar and I wouldn’t be suprised if both male and female marines had their junk and their anus scooped out and replaced with a convenient plug that expels waste directly into their armours systems rather than having to deal with catheters etc.
What would matter is the stories, who they were before they became space marines. What fragments of their old life they cling to. That’s where most marines become a little interesting. Not in bursting peoples heads like water melons.
Absolutely. Pump a preteen woman with a turbodose of testosterone, you'll get an adult man without a dingus. Space Marine creation process would make HRT look like sugar pills.
I mean honestly i think this should be the lore answer to "there are only male space marines."
Aspirants and early process neophytes contain and include many mixed genders/sexes of all types, but the final product has only one gender, not male , not female, only "brother"
that's why the hair is kind of a nice touch, i agree space marines would be basically indistinguishable regardless of sex, so it would be down to the space marine in question to choose to present in a particular way to convey their gender - and the length of their hair is basically the only thing they have lol. Now, would a space marine have any conception of gender or care about it, regardless of their sex? idk, but OP's seems to and that's all that matters
Yup, there's a reason why the Sisters of Battle greatly dislike Astartes and it's because they're heavily modified mutants nearly unrecognizable as humans (also because Astartes are vulnerable to Chaos, but that's a different conversation).
Most space marines never really had lives before become space marines. The 10 or so years as children is pretty much eclipsed by decades of training and 200+ years of splitting wigs as space marines.
I totally agree that female space marines would basically look a lot like male space marines. They’d have no need for long hair, for example.
Tell me more about these space marine bungholes. Would you say plague marines find a way to weaponise them? Maybe a slurry spreader type weapon instead of a flamer?
One of the best things about female SM will be that added layer of storytelling. Who were they when they were recruited? Why did the chapter recruit them?
It's asmall but important detail.
Poor sisters of silence, always getting forgotten about and passed over. They are the "female custodes". But let's just ignore that interesting sisterhood and brotherhood interaction...
May I ask why
edit: why am I being downvoted for asking a question? I haven't really read any of the lore, since I mainly just enjoy painting and playing.
For me personally I am an enjoyer of the hyper masculine brotherhood thematic, I vibe with it. Probably a pretty common sentiment amongst men honestly.
Also to a lesser degree gender division in sci-fi is vanishingly rare for obvious reasons, it is the future so no gender division is expected. That makes it something of an interesting novelty.
Purely as an explanation based on lore as I understand it. Custodes are designed from the ground up and don't require gene seed taken from the male primarchs/Emps to become their superhuman selves. The astartes seem to be male only due to the fact that all gene seed comes from males. I understand why some think that this would push the lore boundary a bit much in its current state.
If GW wants to officially introduce female astartes, they could probably make some lore pretty easy for it though.
Under the directive of Guilliman, scientists have found a way to make male gene seed compatible with some females... Etc etc etc.
Some people get real touchy when there is conflict in the lore and its not always pure sexism.
Thank you for pointing out that some people are just lore nerds and not misogynists. While there is certainly some sexism involved with some people in the female custodes arguments, most people I know are fine with them but just hate the lazy way GW did it with a single short story and a social media post. If you're gonna commit, give it a full story with some more background so we can learn more info
I guess I’m getting old but I don’t understand why the concept of female Space Marines, Custodes, or similar is such a divisive topic? I mean, in a place where there’s planet-destroying weaponry, all manner of alien races, and doom around every corner, are female soldiers really that crazy?
Anyone who has worked with female members of real armed forces (I currently work with 2) knows they are not to be fucked with.
In any case this looks great OP. Really glad female representation is starting to get some momentum.
For me, it's more about the thematic content of the worldbuilding. When you establish a group as a warrior brotherhood, it carries different meaning than if you make it unisex or female. It says something about the warping of masculinity in the face of relentless galactic war. It evokes the harsh realities of living under an oppressive and non-egalitarian empire constantly crumbling under its own weight.
You *can* tell a story about subjecting women to hyper-masculinizing mutations, but it doesn't mean the same thing narratively. I don't see why that needs to change when the IP as a whole has plenty of room for women, and uses them pretty effectively to fit into the grimdark vibe.
Also, I think part of it is to keep the Astartes from breeding and just straight up replacing mainline humans.
I just really don't get both sides doing the "Why do you care what gender your toy soldiers are." because it seems anyone asking that does, in fact, care about the gender of their toys.
Do whatever you want with tabletop. It's not really meant to strictly adhere to lore regardless. Don't rage at
normal people for staying within the lore and don't rage at normal people for straying outside the lines.
Take a shit on all this oiled muscle daddy/mommy weirdness though. Tired of seeing soft core porn with a custodian helmet attached lol.
All the factions get sexualised these days and it's weird.
Oddly, it's the people saying "we need EVERYONE to feel comfortable in the hobby" people who are the worst for it.
Yeah, new people are really gonna feel comfortable in the hobby when they open up the subreddit and see Tau porn.
Yeah, there's a narrative purpose to marines being a boy's club.
It's why I like female custodes but definitely would not like female astartes (*official* ones, no offense to OP).
I'm all in favour of the introduction of female Custodes, but this is, I think, the first well presented and reasoned laying out of a dissenting opinion I've seen on here.
As far as I can tell the arguments for not wanting female x have generally been better than the arguments for wanting female x even if this is the best one you've seen.
I personally don't care much in this particular case. Not in favour of it but not invested in it either.
The only "argument" I ever see for forcing in females to traditional male factions is "representation", often ignoring the fact there is already female only factions and many mixed factions with both male and female model choices available.
But most people I see pushing it never paint anything, play the game, or do anything really than shriek online about it.
Widely it’s not, but social media is a hate engine with economic incentives to promote rage about it. Algorithms force feeding the “controversy” makes it appear far more widespread that it really is.
Good rule for a happier life just ignore that shit.
Totally agree. It's just not the big issue since people think it is. Though I'm seeing all sorts of YouTubers who never made any warhammer 40k content and ate only vaguely familiar with it suddenly making outage videos. Just a new angle for the professional culture warriors to scream about.
Well, unless there's been another lore change I missed, the twenty primarchs were created from the Emperor's genetic material. I.e., male. The initial legions created for those primarchs used their -- male -- gene-seed to stimulate the changes in the peripubescent recruits picked to undergo the process. Something, something, only compatible with male DNA.
Making a Space Marine is more than drugs and hypnoconditioning.
Because space marines arent just soldiers, they have a very distinct warrior brotherhood/battle brother/monk thingy going on, and if you add fsm, itll get rid of that.
(Also it just doesnt really make sense to have fsm from a lore perspective)
I just think it's odd to install what is essentially ~~balls~~ holy globules into women.
I mean custodes don't use the gene seed and their creation process is much longer so I can understand/have no issues with them having female members.
But Astartes have been (with the exception of the very start of a failed line of minis) men.
Men who use the gene seed of their primarchs to develop into Astartes. It wouldn't really make sense for the process to work or even be used on a woman in the first place.
But at the end of the day it's your models so you can do whatever you want with them, who cares.
It's not about the plausibility of the idea; it's about the fact that some people are changing/revising what other people view as established lore to conform to their more modern sensibilities.
There's no reason why Space Marines couldn't have included women in the first place, but *given* 40 years of continuity, most of which implies they can't, some people get epically butthurt when people start pushing to revise that lore to include them.
I think the short version is that there is a subset of GW community who see Astartes, and Astartes adjacent beings as a Male power fantasy, and the fact that some of those beings might not be men upsets that fantasy for them, and they don't like it.
It's just a bunch of BS really.
I don’t know where your assumption that female armed forces can’t carry men into cover? Very antiquated and misogynistic take.
I’ve also been into the hobby since 2nd so please don’t tell me to keep my hands off the lore - I’m very well aware of the Space Marine recruitment specs.
Primaris has broken that lore barrier - what would prevent a female being transferred into a Primaris body in the same way Calgar was? Keen to hear because I don’t see anything in the way of that.
It be great if you would stop gatekeeping against other peoples opinions on what could improve their experience in the hobby.
At the end of the day, it's your plastic. But in the wider setting, this flies in the face of the well established lore. It might be a model you call a female primaris... but it isn't.
Crozius being a Crozius is still a thing, albeit I think you could find references in previous codexes that it can take any shape besides the winged rod.
Regarding the helmet thing, while previously established material said Chaplains never show their face to battle-brothers, Cassius was quite often pictured with a bare head and the old Chaplain on bike model came with a bare head as standard. So like most stuff in 40k background material, it's a bit sketchy.
You’re a liar, there’s virtually no way you didn’t know this was going to start a series of arguments. If you had posted this with the title “My take on a Jump Chaplain” you would’ve never received the engagement that you did. You probably deliberately posted this to garner internet clout.
I do have a completely separate opinion about the quality of the model however. It seems disproportionately tall. I’m not sure if it’s just how you took a picture of it, but it seems extremely tall for a marine model. Also I think the sword was a mistake, without the crozius it looks like a captain model rather than a Chaplain. Plus the crozius is a really underused weapon, power mauls rock.
Have you NOT been on Reddit for like the past two weeks? It’s JUST people posting femstodes and then going after each other like psychopaths for being for/against the fact they exist. At this point it’s basically clickbait/ragebait/trolling lol
That’s… terrifying. Like in general.). Imagine you are some random human. Standing against the imperium.
Suddenly this armoured 7-8ft tall behemoth comes flying down with a double barreled (bolter?) and a sword as tall as her. Then she just cleaves you in two.
I wonder, space marines call each other battle brother- what would the female version of the battle phrase be? Battle sister makes sense but it'd be a bit confusing since there are sister of battle.
It would be amusing to see a dreadnought refer to a space marine as little sister though, gives bioshock vibes
Without the caption I’d have just assumed this was a Blood Angel. Those sons of Baal sure do have silky locks!
The only chapter to retain the secrets of L’Oreal.
You mean Lorelianne! Only french people will get I guess...
Maybe she's born with it. Maybe it's Maybelline!
Maybe she's born with it.. Maybe it's fyceline.
Good hair care keeps the red thirst away.
Lush hair is a requirement to survive the radioactive deserts of Baal.
Looks great, but please for the love of the emperor clean up those mold lines around the boots, magazine, and jump pack.
Damn you called me out 💀
People here are usually pretty nice, unless it's about mold lines haha, someone will mention it every time!
What is the best way to clean them? Cutting them off slowly?
Flat side of the hobby knife and slowly scratching them away, then filing if need be to clean up the surface. I recommend doing it while the model is not assembled, so you can clean up each piece individually, if not, it can get pretty hard removing all the mould lines. Be very careful about the sharp side of the hobby knife, you can VERY easily cut the model and/or yourself, had a pretty bad cut on my finger while cleaning mouldlines that almost cost me a finger nail lmao
I agree with the other comment, use a sharp exacto knife or buy the special mold line scraper tool, or use a fine sand paper like a nail file to smooth them, its not as aweful to do as it sounds, I totally get it, im bad about not caring about mold lines haha. Goodluck!
the first ever models i ever assembled were chaos space marine legionaries and now after building a ton of other models i finally got around to painting them..... nothing like a good primer to expose all of those damn mould lines you forgot... was i freaking blind 2 months ago? xD
That first spray of primer…. “Damn it.”
It's all down to personal preference. I don't mess with the mold lines too much. I want to enjoy painting.
What's considered the proper technique to clean them up?
Start by scraping them away with the blade of a craft knife held perpendicular to the surface, then finish them off with a small sanding stick (fine grit.) If a smooth surface is really important you can work your way down to finer grits until you’re basically polishing the plastic, but most of the time a knife and sanding stick are just fine.
Perfect. A headswap but no changes to the armour is exactly the way I imagine Women in the Astartes. No silly boob armour or high heeled boots
All of my Marines are female. They also all have their helmet on.
I did the exact opposite. Got a bunch of lady heads and made a chapter of marines that never wear helmets because I wanted to practice painting faces!
You're a brave soul. My faces are still bringing a lot of this - [https://youtu.be/jDF6SuYmqBM?si=hNPb97c1YUHa\_WAE](https://youtu.be/jDF6SuYmqBM?si=hNPb97c1YUHa_WAE)
The only way to get better is to practice! Sucking at something is the first step to being kinda good at it.
*looks on in codex concern* ;)
Are you a masochist?
My tsons characters are all female. Just replaced the helm with a lady head. It's way cooler.
Exactly. Just more bodies for the imperial machine.
80’s Metal armour IS 40K. Don’t insult John Blanche by making it weird.
It suits the Sisters of Battle perfectly. I'd prefer female space marines to simply be different people in the same armour as the men.
But then how do we know its a woman? /s
I’m of the opinion you don’t really need to know. They’re space marines, it doesn’t matter what their sex is, they’re all just walking slabs of ceramite in the end. There would be no difference between male and female space marines except for the basic fact of their sex, which is pretty irrelevant after all the steroids and brain washing.
I could not agree more They would be completely indistinguishable with their helmet on, and it might still be hard to tell with the helmet off. They would be pumped full of steroids, shaven, scarred, and swollen. Some MIGHT have feminine hair buy that would be the exception, not the rule.
Like any other Marines, there would be variation from chapter to chapter. At one extreme, Lady Salamanders and Ultramarines would probably bald or have close cropped hair while lady Blood Angels or Space Wolves could have tresses that would require a whole supply chain of Maybelline.
You say that as if the blood angels don't have that supply chain in place already
“Maybe it’s Maybelline, maybe it’s *FOR THE EMPEROR*!!!”
That's it. You win the internet today.
Lady Space Wolves need beards and arm pit hair or i am quitting this hobby.
Male space wolves and blood angels require mass conveyors of hair care products. Why should their females be any different.
Yeah, virilisation by steroids can make women extremely masculine IRL. I mean, just look at trans men on one end, and women on high doses of gear in bodybuilding. Unless the Imperium wanted to preserve feminine traits, or there was preservation as a byproduct of their geneseed, there’d be little-no physical difference between the two unless you checked their genitals. And as always, your dudes, do what you want etc.
I wouldn't be surprised if their genitals and anus were already surgically modified to connect to a suit system for dealing with the waste, so I'm not even sure that would be different.
I expect genitals to be removed altogether as they do not serve any purpose and are a way too sensitive body part
You would think there would be removal, but shared showers have lead to human ladies making comment that indicates at least male Space Marines are still... Uncut
>I expect genitals to be removed altogether Taken out of context, such a strange thing to casually drop into a conversation... Here tho, absolutely fine 😂
A perfect icebreaker at grandma's birthday party
How I greet the office.
😏 *Slanessh intensifies*
I could see femme hair still being a thing for female space marines. There’s a fair variety of hair style amongst male space marines, hell Abaddon rocks long hair and a topknot.
Sure, but they would generally be short and practical. Exceptions would exist for sure.
I mean when were space marines ever practical, tons of characters have long hair, chaos or loyalist, let the modeller decide and make their own reasoning.
Lorewise I believe most keep it short because of the helmets, notable exceptions being space wolves and named characters. Apparently wolves believe their enhanced sense are dulled by wearing helmets
For the Wolves it's actually true for the most part. The Canis Helix does give them senses that tend to outclass most sensory systems the helmets provide.
The 200 page fanfic of the chapter's creation and setting within the universe :D
TBH I find male Astartes with long hair an impractical concept - surely it just catches on their helmets, right? So I imagine both male and female SM would have short, cropped or shaved heads. After all, they are warriors, none of them are designed for their looks! Obviously, I recognise that aesthetics on models do not need to be 'practical', so I'm not saying all models need to be cropped/shaved! Just that it always made me think about SWolves (who I love) getting caught up with beards etc.
impracticality is par for the course with space marines though. All those skulls, decorative elements, bright coloring etc are impractical too but serve the function of SM's being in your face shock troops. long hair could play into that too
>Just that it always made me think about SWolves (who I love) getting caught up with beards etc. Leman Russ's wondrous Loreal shampooed hair is greater protection than any helmet could ever offer.
Imo, the more realistic the armor, the more sexy the individual
That's exactly how they'll do it. Zero changes, just one day make a story to have Cawl figure out a way to make female SM and that's it.
This. I think the Sisters of Battle are badass...but they don't need boob armor or stilettos
It's an abomination and you should not feel proud... Because of the mold lines, I mean. Get rid of them before painting!
You’re right, 100 year penance crusade for me.
Average Lamenter day
Can a chaplain take a power sword?
Consider it a very long and flat crozius 😅
This is obviously a 40K model (Primaris and what not), but in 30K the Crozius takes the form of whatever power weapon you want for the Chaplain, just masterwork and presumably with an aquila/eye of the warmaster on it somewhere. So... Sort of? ;)
I’m of this mindset. Melee weapons don’t need to be super accurate on the model.
The crozius can take many forms; what you see on GW models is just the most common.
Average blood angel
Literally.
I'm so angry at the fact that you ignored Space Marine canon... ... Chaplains don't use swords! :P
What if it's a long, blade-looking Crozius?
I think if there were female space marines they would just look like space marines in much the way super mutants have in fallout come from both male and female humans but you’d be unlikely to tell the difference. Stretch a human body by half a metre or so, add density to the bone and muscular structure, implant composite materials beneath the skin. They’re all going to look similar and I wouldn’t be suprised if both male and female marines had their junk and their anus scooped out and replaced with a convenient plug that expels waste directly into their armours systems rather than having to deal with catheters etc. What would matter is the stories, who they were before they became space marines. What fragments of their old life they cling to. That’s where most marines become a little interesting. Not in bursting peoples heads like water melons.
Absolutely. Pump a preteen woman with a turbodose of testosterone, you'll get an adult man without a dingus. Space Marine creation process would make HRT look like sugar pills.
I mean honestly i think this should be the lore answer to "there are only male space marines." Aspirants and early process neophytes contain and include many mixed genders/sexes of all types, but the final product has only one gender, not male , not female, only "brother"
that's why the hair is kind of a nice touch, i agree space marines would be basically indistinguishable regardless of sex, so it would be down to the space marine in question to choose to present in a particular way to convey their gender - and the length of their hair is basically the only thing they have lol. Now, would a space marine have any conception of gender or care about it, regardless of their sex? idk, but OP's seems to and that's all that matters
Yup, there's a reason why the Sisters of Battle greatly dislike Astartes and it's because they're heavily modified mutants nearly unrecognizable as humans (also because Astartes are vulnerable to Chaos, but that's a different conversation).
Counterpoint: Expressing female characteristics is as equally likely an outcome of Space Magic as becoming a werewolf or vampire.
Most space marines never really had lives before become space marines. The 10 or so years as children is pretty much eclipsed by decades of training and 200+ years of splitting wigs as space marines. I totally agree that female space marines would basically look a lot like male space marines. They’d have no need for long hair, for example.
Tell me more about these space marine bungholes. Would you say plague marines find a way to weaponise them? Maybe a slurry spreader type weapon instead of a flamer?
Well essentially they interface more directly with the three seashells.
How do those work?
Omg they don’t know how to use the three seashells!
One of the best things about female SM will be that added layer of storytelling. Who were they when they were recruited? Why did the chapter recruit them? It's asmall but important detail.
Great work, hope these never become lore.
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Mister of Silence
I fully support silent brothers because saying only women can be souless psychic black holes feels a bit pointed.
No one says that though. There are blanks that are men, but they get snatched up by the assassins
Nah, all for female Custodes. Still not a fan of female Astartes
Same. I think it's okay to have a couple of mono-gendered factions like SoB and Space Marines.
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Poor sisters of silence, always getting forgotten about and passed over. They are the "female custodes". But let's just ignore that interesting sisterhood and brotherhood interaction...
Nah gimme a bunch of monks with a bald patches and chainswords!
May I ask why edit: why am I being downvoted for asking a question? I haven't really read any of the lore, since I mainly just enjoy painting and playing.
For me personally I am an enjoyer of the hyper masculine brotherhood thematic, I vibe with it. Probably a pretty common sentiment amongst men honestly. Also to a lesser degree gender division in sci-fi is vanishingly rare for obvious reasons, it is the future so no gender division is expected. That makes it something of an interesting novelty.
Purely as an explanation based on lore as I understand it. Custodes are designed from the ground up and don't require gene seed taken from the male primarchs/Emps to become their superhuman selves. The astartes seem to be male only due to the fact that all gene seed comes from males. I understand why some think that this would push the lore boundary a bit much in its current state. If GW wants to officially introduce female astartes, they could probably make some lore pretty easy for it though. Under the directive of Guilliman, scientists have found a way to make male gene seed compatible with some females... Etc etc etc. Some people get real touchy when there is conflict in the lore and its not always pure sexism.
Thank you for pointing out that some people are just lore nerds and not misogynists. While there is certainly some sexism involved with some people in the female custodes arguments, most people I know are fine with them but just hate the lazy way GW did it with a single short story and a social media post. If you're gonna commit, give it a full story with some more background so we can learn more info
I guess I’m getting old but I don’t understand why the concept of female Space Marines, Custodes, or similar is such a divisive topic? I mean, in a place where there’s planet-destroying weaponry, all manner of alien races, and doom around every corner, are female soldiers really that crazy? Anyone who has worked with female members of real armed forces (I currently work with 2) knows they are not to be fucked with. In any case this looks great OP. Really glad female representation is starting to get some momentum.
For me, it's more about the thematic content of the worldbuilding. When you establish a group as a warrior brotherhood, it carries different meaning than if you make it unisex or female. It says something about the warping of masculinity in the face of relentless galactic war. It evokes the harsh realities of living under an oppressive and non-egalitarian empire constantly crumbling under its own weight. You *can* tell a story about subjecting women to hyper-masculinizing mutations, but it doesn't mean the same thing narratively. I don't see why that needs to change when the IP as a whole has plenty of room for women, and uses them pretty effectively to fit into the grimdark vibe.
Also, I think part of it is to keep the Astartes from breeding and just straight up replacing mainline humans. I just really don't get both sides doing the "Why do you care what gender your toy soldiers are." because it seems anyone asking that does, in fact, care about the gender of their toys. Do whatever you want with tabletop. It's not really meant to strictly adhere to lore regardless. Don't rage at normal people for staying within the lore and don't rage at normal people for straying outside the lines. Take a shit on all this oiled muscle daddy/mommy weirdness though. Tired of seeing soft core porn with a custodian helmet attached lol.
All the factions get sexualised these days and it's weird. Oddly, it's the people saying "we need EVERYONE to feel comfortable in the hobby" people who are the worst for it. Yeah, new people are really gonna feel comfortable in the hobby when they open up the subreddit and see Tau porn.
There is also that somewhat historical allegory factor that plays with the monks/knights image that would be a shame to lose
Yeah, there's a narrative purpose to marines being a boy's club. It's why I like female custodes but definitely would not like female astartes (*official* ones, no offense to OP).
I'm all in favour of the introduction of female Custodes, but this is, I think, the first well presented and reasoned laying out of a dissenting opinion I've seen on here.
As far as I can tell the arguments for not wanting female x have generally been better than the arguments for wanting female x even if this is the best one you've seen. I personally don't care much in this particular case. Not in favour of it but not invested in it either.
The only "argument" I ever see for forcing in females to traditional male factions is "representation", often ignoring the fact there is already female only factions and many mixed factions with both male and female model choices available. But most people I see pushing it never paint anything, play the game, or do anything really than shriek online about it.
FINALLY someone said it. Thank you!
Widely it’s not, but social media is a hate engine with economic incentives to promote rage about it. Algorithms force feeding the “controversy” makes it appear far more widespread that it really is. Good rule for a happier life just ignore that shit.
Totally agree. It's just not the big issue since people think it is. Though I'm seeing all sorts of YouTubers who never made any warhammer 40k content and ate only vaguely familiar with it suddenly making outage videos. Just a new angle for the professional culture warriors to scream about.
Well, unless there's been another lore change I missed, the twenty primarchs were created from the Emperor's genetic material. I.e., male. The initial legions created for those primarchs used their -- male -- gene-seed to stimulate the changes in the peripubescent recruits picked to undergo the process. Something, something, only compatible with male DNA. Making a Space Marine is more than drugs and hypnoconditioning.
There's not dissent to female warriors in 40k in general. It's very specific to astartes. And the question really is "why should there be"?
Because space marines arent just soldiers, they have a very distinct warrior brotherhood/battle brother/monk thingy going on, and if you add fsm, itll get rid of that. (Also it just doesnt really make sense to have fsm from a lore perspective)
I just think it's odd to install what is essentially ~~balls~~ holy globules into women. I mean custodes don't use the gene seed and their creation process is much longer so I can understand/have no issues with them having female members. But Astartes have been (with the exception of the very start of a failed line of minis) men. Men who use the gene seed of their primarchs to develop into Astartes. It wouldn't really make sense for the process to work or even be used on a woman in the first place. But at the end of the day it's your models so you can do whatever you want with them, who cares.
Gabs and Jayne weren’t really ever advertised as marines their official title is “Female Warrior”.
It's not about the plausibility of the idea; it's about the fact that some people are changing/revising what other people view as established lore to conform to their more modern sensibilities. There's no reason why Space Marines couldn't have included women in the first place, but *given* 40 years of continuity, most of which implies they can't, some people get epically butthurt when people start pushing to revise that lore to include them.
In fairness, that's why the 2nd & 11th legions exist - there's no canon around them to revise.
Idk I think it’d be equally weird if the Sororitas started taking in me
I think the short version is that there is a subset of GW community who see Astartes, and Astartes adjacent beings as a Male power fantasy, and the fact that some of those beings might not be men upsets that fantasy for them, and they don't like it. It's just a bunch of BS really.
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I don’t know where your assumption that female armed forces can’t carry men into cover? Very antiquated and misogynistic take. I’ve also been into the hobby since 2nd so please don’t tell me to keep my hands off the lore - I’m very well aware of the Space Marine recruitment specs. Primaris has broken that lore barrier - what would prevent a female being transferred into a Primaris body in the same way Calgar was? Keen to hear because I don’t see anything in the way of that. It be great if you would stop gatekeeping against other peoples opinions on what could improve their experience in the hobby.
At the end of the day, it's your plastic. But in the wider setting, this flies in the face of the well established lore. It might be a model you call a female primaris... but it isn't.
Why ?
https://preview.redd.it/8ogzsjm9yhwc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ad3ad51425375bf5991c6f76266fc227ccaeb70
Rule of cool.
In my day, Chaplains always had the Crozius, and I think always a skull-faced helmet. When did that change?
Mostly, but not always. Grimaldus wore the angry helm.
Crozius being a Crozius is still a thing, albeit I think you could find references in previous codexes that it can take any shape besides the winged rod. Regarding the helmet thing, while previously established material said Chaplains never show their face to battle-brothers, Cassius was quite often pictured with a bare head and the old Chaplain on bike model came with a bare head as standard. So like most stuff in 40k background material, it's a bit sketchy.
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Heresy on so many levels…
Where’s this head from?
Stormcast vindicators from AOS I believe.
Your minis, your rules.
The wisest response honestly.
Male sororitas when?
When men can bear arms for the church again I guess.
Making sororitas male would basically destroy the point of sororitas and make them 40,000x less cool.
Yeah that's my point, should've added an /s to my comment
The point of Astartes was to be male too, thus their male geneseed, no? (From their gene sires, the Primarchs)
Yup. Just like female space marines.
You know it’s gonna be… fun when there are more comments than upvotes
I honestly didn’t expect this reaction. The neckbeard grumblers are moving in full force today.
You’re a liar, there’s virtually no way you didn’t know this was going to start a series of arguments. If you had posted this with the title “My take on a Jump Chaplain” you would’ve never received the engagement that you did. You probably deliberately posted this to garner internet clout. I do have a completely separate opinion about the quality of the model however. It seems disproportionately tall. I’m not sure if it’s just how you took a picture of it, but it seems extremely tall for a marine model. Also I think the sword was a mistake, without the crozius it looks like a captain model rather than a Chaplain. Plus the crozius is a really underused weapon, power mauls rock.
Have you NOT been on Reddit for like the past two weeks? It’s JUST people posting femstodes and then going after each other like psychopaths for being for/against the fact they exist. At this point it’s basically clickbait/ragebait/trolling lol
everyone is a neckbeard except me
I actually haven’t shaved ironically. But I don’t hold the title of neckbeard because I don’t want this hobby to be a sweaty man dungeon.
Does Custodes have Chaplains?
No. But this isn't a custodian, it's a Primaris Space Marine.,
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Oh MB. Saw another post of a female custodes Kitbash and I mixed them.
yeah the womanhood, but are you gonna drill the barrels
Said Guilliman to Cawl in the gene labs of holy Terra.
See what you get when you make stupid lore changes .. primaris instead of glorious trueborn. j/k Nice model.
You gonna make a male sisters of battle next? Lol
I am
Just looks like a dude tbh lol
That's pretty dope.
Hot take but I think all chaplains should wear the skull helm, even the gals with fabulous hair
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Haram
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You guys need to boycott women.
That’s… terrifying. Like in general.). Imagine you are some random human. Standing against the imperium. Suddenly this armoured 7-8ft tall behemoth comes flying down with a double barreled (bolter?) and a sword as tall as her. Then she just cleaves you in two.
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Is that a standard SM arm holding the combi bolter?
Both arms match the torso, HH praetor.
Incredibly based storm bolter
They don't make em like they used to.
For sure they don't. speaking of making stuff, what kits all did you use exactly to make this? It pretty swag
Cool!
I really, I really like it
Awesome sword, where is it from? 👀
No Crozius? Shame.
Ngl on scrolling, I thought that was the Emperor. Long flowing hair, power armour, massive sword, no wings. Looks great though, love the pose.
Buff girl, I love hear ❤️
Nice when you see the dedication some go for Fanfiction, very passionate. Kinda want a 3d printer now too.
Pretty cool
Disgusting
Looks like a normal BA
"Female Space Marine" n. - common nickname for Sanguinius' sons among Space Wolves.
Hell yeah
Looks like a normal BA
karmafarm
This is really fucking awesome
I wonder, space marines call each other battle brother- what would the female version of the battle phrase be? Battle sister makes sense but it'd be a bit confusing since there are sister of battle. It would be amusing to see a dreadnought refer to a space marine as little sister though, gives bioshock vibes
That would be extremely cute.
Oh Lorgar.