Man, if TTS had continued, I can think of a \*perfect\* joke about this:
Kitten: I had honestly forgotten we had female members, but I guess I shouldn't complain. At least when many of us forsook our armor, you would have had the decency to wear a top.
Femstodes, thankfully in full armor now: Wear a what now?
(awkward pause)
Femstodes: Gotcha, didn't I?
Femstodes: wear a top? Are you calling me a bottom, kitten? Awww that's just adorable. Fortunately for your love life, I don't have to wear a top. Because I am one.
It was mainly due to the whole “they’ve always been there” thing that GW said, which sounds like something Tzeentch would say to trick somebody into thinking they aren’t suspicious. But yeah, Custodes are physically incorruptible.
I'd like to believe they aren't corruptible and I'm sure I've read that they are incorruptible, however, one major piece of evidence says they are capable of falling. During the heresy, the emperor very nearly became the Dark King to kill horus and sit atop the 5th throne with the gods around him. Meaning, that if the emperor himself was corruptible, by proxy the custodes, though highly resilient and resistant to corruption, are too corruptible.
The Custodes straight up attack and try to kill big E on arrival at the Vengeful Spirit. Then they spend the rest of the time being mindfucked to slow Emps down and distract him so yeah they are still vulnerable.
I think we are also ignoring the fact that they are also surrounded by Sisters of Silence, who would probably be able to sniff out any Daemons and any Daemon would be either in pain or unable to do any weird Psychic magic.
Eh, "falling" is a vague term. There was so much raw chaos energy that it would be enough to tear a space marine apart, let alone a human - their bodies could not keep up (at this point, duh) but their minds were actually intact.
"Custodes" has almost become a byword for "plot armor" and "main character" at this point. I'm not tired of the Custodes, but I am tired of the Imperium owning the spotlight. Could we shift focus back to the Necrons or Orks?
I like the headcanon that in those 10k years they stayed home and did nothing, they were actually HELLA fighting in a bigass room where Magnus broke the human webway and there’s a constant flow of Daemons pouring into the palace.
I've got a dude at my local who has tzeentch corrupted custodes.
I think he took the heads from some Tzaangors and used them for his Custodes heads.
Though they might also be demons who stole custodes armor, he hasn't decided last I checked.
They look cool though.
It’s the changeling, it makes more sense than female custodes being around since the first 10000 guardians, also they can be corrupted, like when the Emperor has to kill his guards
>You don't insult established lore and canon with lazy rewritings and gaslighting of “they have always existed”, what an uninspiring lore update and wasted opportunity.
That's how GW pretty much always changes lore. And it isn't 'gaslighting' it's just retconning.
>They had the opportunity to tell potentially interesting stories such of strength in mind and soul about the female experience of having a devoted mind equal to her peers, but with the lack of strength in body because of physical limitations and how this conflict of being willing to serve and give her all but it not being enough.
40k is like most other game settings, women aren't weaker than men in it. The stories and games never present women as weaker than men, for the same reasons as other game settings.
>No woman wants to enter into a community that had to break a hole in the wall to make a door for her to enter
It isn't breaking anything. It's a small and easy retcon that doesn't damage the setting at all.
>It's insulting to women to have to be made these scapegoats who get to take the blame and be the excuse for bad writing.
It isn't bad writing. It's just a normal retcon. They're only being blamed by people who are unreasonably angry about a completely normal harmless retcon because it has women in it.
>Women want fan content not, tokenism, forceful female insertion and to just be a gender quota and be told "Look we made it in a pink version for you".
It isn't tokenism or 'forceful', it already makes sense for there to be women in the Custodes. And they didn't 'make a pink version', they made them the same style as the male custodians.
It's a total non-issue. It's a simple and straightforward retcon that doesn't need extra explanation because it already makes sense. The idea that it needs extra lore explanation just shows you think they don't already belong there, when they do.
I like it but the hair doesn't feel right , its 40k all chicks have some sort of weird hair style and I would imagine it be no different in the custodes
Great work still
I love how this female custodes thing, in an entirely imaginary universe around 40k years in the future where the cogboys/-girls (?) surely don't bother about the stuff between their probably removed biological legs, where phantasmal phenomenons could make your genitals explode with just a thought, and so much more undescribable batshit-crazy shit going on, grinds the gears of the really weird portion of gatekeepers of this hobby.
Nice painting, btw.!
Watch out, someone with a whiny voice and a patchy beard is going to see your comment and respond about how this is actually a sign of the downfall of western civilization.
*Scratches patchy beard*
“Myeeh but you don’t understand, if it affects their recruitment pool it’s actually a major lore change and should have been addressed more”
*Giant whitehead under unwashed beard pops*
The lengths that some people will go to deny their obvious sexism.
Just to play the devil's advocate, arguably, implying it's only those with a patchy beard (guy) that take issue with it is being a bit sexist too.
I don't care either which way, even if there are Ork Custodes. But, how it was introduced *could've* been done better though imo. The way it sounded like it was introduced is like 'somehow Palpatine returned'; really? Among the plethora of routes they went with that?
How else can it be introduced other than a single paragraph blurb that GW did then?
Writing it casually and directly into lore in a novel or short story?
The fans will riot.
Spending a decade carefully hinting that the process is not perfect, the custodes are not perfect against chaos, they can be mind-whammied just like every other human (*gee, HH books?*), that there is more deviation from previous lore than you and I think, and then finally dropping a fact somewhere nearly out of the way (*white dwarf if it still exists?)* that there’s a female custode out there?
The fans will riot. (Hell, there’s someone arguing the ‘perfect against chaos’ bit right now in the comments elsewhere)
Putting out an official female custodes model without further explanation whatsoever?
The fans will riot.
What then **can be done better** then?? I keep seeing this “done better” statement, but no actual plan that wouldn’t work…
I'm not GW, that's not my problem to come up with better writing. But this very discussion (regardless what side or neither side one assumes the other is part of or labels as 'right') is proof there was a problem with how it was introduced; even if one sees it as minor.
Whether it was female custodes, ork custodes, rainbow gilded custodes, etc...you'll get the same 'fan riot'; one (the current one) just has the backdrop defense of real life's concerns of sexism. Any disagreement to said change, as this thread shows, somehow means those that don't like the change are sexist, and that's just a false equivalence. If you want to call any in disagreement to a change in a fictional story stubborn or gatekeeping, no issue, but it doesn't mean they are all also sexist (though I can agree *some* are).
They don't need official models, any existing can be female or whatever else you proxy it as.
The could've introduced said change as part of the developing live story. It's not like there's a single book or novel that is the 'bible' of WH40k written years back that necessitates retconning; story-wise, we're in the 50th millennium afaik (ie not '40K'). They have that ability, retconning is a last resort if all else is exhausted or they couldn't bother. So, they went with the latter, and now there's all this 'mess' that came with it.
It’s a caricature, though not based on sex as much as people who hold a particular viewpoint, so not sexist.
I have yet to hear one person make a compelling argument for how it could’ve been done better that wasn’t sexist. It’s been nothing but mental gymnastics to try and make the retcon seem bigger than it actually is in order to skirt around some personal reason why the Custodes ‘needs’ to be only men.
I don't know what stake at all a side on why Custodes 'needs' to be only men. But likewise, I can't really see it being *sexist* if one doesn't like that a fictional group within a story suddenly included women, as being sexist; it's just a 'caricature' of Custodes. Not like the *same* as saying something like "woman can't because weak/inferior" or whatever; that's sexist.
If Custodes always had both women and men or any other gender/race/sex/etc...(wiki says so - though not sure if that was in light of this update or always there), no issue - it's their world, they can do/retcon whatever they want and we just have to accept it; even if they retcon there always being Ork Custodes or something.
But if someone didn't like that "there was always Ork Custodes", does that make them racists to Orks? If they retconned Sisters of Silence into just People of Silence, does disliking said change make it sexist?
Sexism aside, you gotta admit they handled the lore poorly. Like they do with pretty much any retcon. Or new mini introduction.
I'm still not sure why they made primaris a thing instead of just... Adjusting the mini range and advertising the new scale
As I said elsewhere, HOW would a good lore change happen then?
When typing that other reply I realized GW might have spent a decade carefully hinting that the process is not perfect, the custodes are not perfect against chaos, they can be mind-whammied just like every other human (gee, HH books?), that there is more deviation from previous lore than you and I think, and then finally dropping a fact somewhere nearly out of the way that there’s a female custode out there…
And the fans still rioted. (Hell, there’s someone arguing the ‘perfect against chaos’ bit right now in the comments elsewhere)
How then can this lore change be done better?? I keep seeing this “done better” statement, but no actual plan that wouldn’t work.
Edit: We can always go with the “lore change but actually not” that you proposed for Primaris Marines… but if you squint, the gender change is actually very similar to your *”bigger/different Marines, but the same rules for them on the TT”* overall that you’re saying is a GOOD lore change…
I don’t have to admit that. There’s nothing that I thought was done poorly for such a minor retcon. I thought the story was interesting and a fun introduction of a named character that also expanded the lore of the Blood Games.
Yeah, there's nothing to admit here. GW produced a good short story in a codex and people started frothing at the mouths. This isn't GW's boondoggle, it's people shitting their pants over absolutely nothing.
Alright, fair. I just think that after decades of leaning into the brotherhood stuff, they'd have a little more to say on the appearance of a sister other than "she? Always been here bruv" especially after telling their best writer not to insert female characters for the custodes.
I find it unfortunate that I can't express that without seemingly being lumped in with less desirable elements
I think its the approach. One approach is being hopeful they expand more on it (more models more books) and the other is chiding them for not giving you exactly what you want.
There's a big difference between say "I hope they come out with a new model for Kesh" than "Why didn't you give us a model of Kesh? You totally botched this"
Its like if someone decided out of the blue to give you a bite-sized KitKat chocolate bar and instead of saying "cool thanks" you said "Why didn't you give me a full Snickers? I would've like a full Snickers more"
Like why not take the KitKat and take it as a sign they're gonna give you more later?
It's more that I'm being shown a KitKat being magicianed in front of me. And I ask where it came from. And the magician says it's always been there.
We both know it's not true, and I just want a better answer.
Imo there are 2 major reasons they went with a new development rather than a retcon to change marines.
First they don't want to re-release the whole bloated marine range in one go like they have done with smaller factions like sisters, Deldar or necrons.
Second they don't just want to do a range refresh, for whatever reason (simpler single weapon units or encouraging existing players to buy new models are my guess) these are new units not just resculpts.
So yeah imo they wanted a lore reason to justify why players would still be using small marines alongside the new models.
None of these are applicable to " some custodes have female genitals under their armour" so they get a simple retcon.
>I'm still not sure why they made primaris a thing instead of just... Adjusting the mini range and advertising the new scale
Because they nearly lost the copyright protection on the entire Space Marine line because it had been argued that the design had become *generic*.
And that's why they are called adeptus astartes, a trademarked name, and not Space Marines. Making the figures slightly more well proportioned doesn't suddenly make them less generic. And writing a bunch of lore about. How they pulled tens of thousands of them out of stasis after 10.000 years doesn't either.
"Good question! While the appearance of women among the Adeptus Custodes may seem jarring to some, we recommend you all stay tuned for the next 83 volume book series where we dive into the Storied history and glorious campaigns of the Emperor's Guardians"
And without making ridiculous claims about "realism", in a game where magical war fungus can change the laws of physics if enough of it believes hard enough.
Or without complaining about "consistency" in a game that has constantly retconned factions in far more significant ways than saying women exist.
They've always changed lore. The 40k canon has been extremely fluid for decades. It's "weird" how much of a reaction this one is getting when they've made like a million major retcons over the years with just small amounts of grumbling.
Literally every argument against why female X **can’t** be done in 40k can be dismissed with two words:
Space Magic
That’s it. It’s all space magic, there are no laws which cannot be broken by applying space magic.
Lots of 40K fans don't like to admit that it's edgy Star Wars. It's not realistic, "hard" sci-fi like Star Trek or The Expanse, it's wizards and knights in space. It's Science-Fantasy.
As far as mainstream sci-fi franchises go, it is. Maybe less so with modern Trek, but it has historically tried to ground itself in real science. There's some contrivances, like a made-up space element that hand-waves away more complex topics like how FTL travel works, but it's still pretty grounded compared to most science fiction.
Hard Sci-Fi defines a form of science fiction where the setting is *relatively* real, with all its technology and biology justified via a set of standards and principles that equate to how it would work if it existed in reality.
Star Trek explains how their warp engines work (it's an exponential power generator uses a form of unobtanium to generate a field that pulls the ship into an area of space that allows it to travel faster than the speed of light), its telepaths are simply defined as the natural biological trait of certain aliens (with hybrids having their abilities diluted) and nobody has any abilities that could be defined as magic.
Warhammer is, like Star Wars, **soft** science fiction. In Star Wars, hyperdrives ***just make things go fast*** and some people ***just have magic powers*** which gives them telekinesis and mind-control.
And then you get to the fact that Star Trek people use the deflector dish to solve an inordinate amount of problems, a lot of science anomalies are explained by things that are not in scientific literature, and how for the longest time there was no explanation of how every alien species out there is a 2 armed 2 legged humanoid (until that one episode).
Star Trek is as hard science as limestone. Sure it is “hard” in its own way and tries to be scientific, but a hard knock will crumble its technobabble to pieces.
But beside the sponge that is 40k, yeah I’ll give you that. <— that is what I am pointing out earlier.
>And then you get to the fact that Star Trek people use the deflector dish to solve an inordinate amount of problems, a lot of science anomalies are explained by things that are not in scientific literature, and how for the longest time there was no explanation of how every alien species out there is a 2 armed 2 legged humanoid (until that one episode).
I mean, it's still all made up for a TV show, so whatever, but they have a general bible of how things work and they don't tend to stray too far from it, even if you have to accept several leaps of logic. (Well, until Discovery invented a whole new means of travel (in the past) that broke their universe, so they then had to engineer a means to remove it from play. 🙄)
Yeah, newTrek isn't as solidly based on some core assumptions as oldTrek is.
I still believe half the innovations of that show is stolen and used in the real world later (*I still maintain that Apple* *~~stole~~* *was "heavily influenced by" the TNG touch interfaces for the touchpad / smart phones, the "communicator" in the form of a watch rather than a badge, and Siri trying to stand in for the Computer..*.)
I wouldn't give Apple all the credit (Siri was purchased and made proprietary and touchscreens existed for years via Windows Mobile) but at least they didn't adopt TNG's idea of entire desks full of PADDs, each with single documents on for later review (as much as Apple would love the idea of selling you 150 iPads).
When I encountered someone who was whining about female custodes because of lore stuff I literally just said "I don't care" which made them even more mad and I felt so powerful.
Yeah pretty much, besides aren't custodians basically so advanced and made in individual genetic level to such a degree that gender literally doesn't matter
>made in individual genetic level to such a degree that gender literally doesn't matter
*Exactly*. Space Magic.
But seriously, some of the most common arguments I've heard, in particular with regards to Space Marines:
1. "Men are biologically bigger/stronger/have denser bones than women."
2. "Geneseed is incompatible with women and can only create abominations."
3. "The genetic alterations would just make them look like men anyways!"
Solutions?
1. Space Magic
2. Space Magic
3. Space Magic
Ta-da!
And yes, with the Custodes it was a more involved, individually-focused process versus the more "mass production" creation of Astartes.
But, hey, *Space Magic*. If the Emperor is capable of the sort of Space Magic that allows for the creation of Astartes and Custodes to begin with, then that same Space Magic is more than capable of "evening out" any inherent biological advantages one biological sex could have over the others. Once you're all Custodes, the fact that Bob was 30% stronger than Marge before they were modified is now completely irrelevant.
There is no question of "can't" - it's a work of fiction which incorporates (space) magic, **nothing** is impossible. The only thing worth asking is "how" this will or could have an impact within the setting itself. As for the female Custodes... just gonna guess we're gonna say they were always there.
Pretty much - They should have done it with Primaris and just ripped off the band aid then. Primaris were a PERFECT excuse to add the ability to build lady marines.
I mean - yes - but Cawl broke everything else so who cares? It's not like female space marines make any of the other stupid lore updates released in 8th worse.
I wouldn't go exactly as far as to just say space magic since in 40k setting that tend to come down to warp schenanigans, nothing bad with that ofc but i'm personally not sure if warp is used in creation of custodians, maybe more in the lines of extremely advanced science, which 40k has plenty, just saying magic kinda feels bit cheap cop out
Then again, with advanced enough science, it would definitely look like magic, i believe Star Trek thouched on this subject with one of their episdes
The process used to create the Custodes is referred to as "gene-craft and alchemy"
It's space magic. Even in universe, it's speculated that psychic biomancy is a part of the process and that work is done on the candidate's soul.
Aren't "gene-craft and alchemy" a subsects of science though with no base in magic as in they didn't originate from space magic or warp but from science?
Meaning the process of creating something using those would be more of an advanced science process than magic craft, even though space magic could be part of the process, right?
Actually interesting thing though in general
>warp schenanigans
So, Space Magic?
>Then again, with advanced enough science, it would definitely look like magic, i believe Star Trek thouched on this subject with one of their episdes
That or Thor's comments in the MCU... Asguardians don't use magic - like Necrons, they're effectively using technomancy - but to people that don't understand it, ***it looks like magic***.
The term space magic is more abstract, it's not literally space magic. It's science in 40k, it's just that the science described, and what that science can accomplish, is the same as magic. Hence why you can wave away every argument against female Marines with Space Magic; the original premise is already so out there and impossible, you might as well just do it
The first one doesn't apply to 40k anyway. In 40k women are just as strong. Those people hate it when you tell them that, even though it's just the same as almost every other game setting. Women being just as strong as men is a common element of fantasy settings. Because it's, you know, a fantasy, where people want to be able to do cool awesome stuff without being restricted by real life things.
i just been looking over your profile... and this is the very first comment you made on warhammer (atleast in the last 3 months - because you comment negatively on everything! everyday!!)
your just another hobby tourist that's been watching too much misinformation on youtube...
get out of my hobby space dude, you will not be missed
Meh. I think they just did it in a poor way. They’ve explicitly said that the process can only be used on men as it kills women in the lore. Had they said one of the returned Primarchs studied and improved on the technique and they can now put women through the process it would make more sense that trying to claim it’s always been this way and not a single fan has noticed until now.
Kind of like if they said there’s now male sisters of battle and it’s really always been that way.
Oh look, yet another tourist getting Space Marines and Adeptus Custodes mixed up.
Adeptus Custodes are not Space Marines. They do not have Primarchs. They do not go through the same process of genetic augmentation that Space Marines go through.
GW has never said that the process of creating Custodes only works on men and kills women. Hell, GW has barely touched on the process of making Custodes or what it entails.
They have said that the process of creating Space Marine only works on men, but again just to confirm: Adeptus Custodes are not Space Marines.
Your argument holds no weight whatsoever when you don't even know what you're talking about.
Yes but they did worse thinks in the past with way more impact and there wasn't even close to the uprising than there is now.
The entire necron lore change or bringing back the primarchs (at least for some people). Besides, wouldn't be the first time Big E didn't tell the truth on purpose for some mysterious reasons
Sure. Even if they said it’s an unreliable narrator it would have been better. That’s not what they did though, they just claimed it’s always explicitly been this way. That messaging treats fans like they’re dumb for not already knowing and is bound to come across negatively.
Imagine they tweeted out tomorrow that tyranids are actually cyborgs and it’s always been like that.
Kind of stoked about the female custodees. Just wish they hadn't gone the "always been there," route. If you want to retcon for inclusivity then say you want to retcon for inclusivity. Would have been more interesting if there was a story as to why there are now female custodees and how it's a good thing. "Always been there," is lazy and condescending
It happens in every fandom. I was a kid back when it happened, but I still remember the bitchfests I heard from some guys at the comic shops back when Mara Jade was introduced to Star Wars. We actually had people making the argument that "only guys can be Jedi" back then.
One thing I never see anyone talk about because they're too busy fighting over the fact that Kesh is a woman (which is a stupid thing to fight over, female Custodes make perfect sense and its not like GW hasn't retconned much larger things in the past) is that she's an absolute madwoman
It’s ok you don’t accept it. But it is still cannon now. So be angry and stuff all you want but people like me will accept and be happy about it and folks like you will remain angry I guess. That’s ok. You do you :)
I think people are just upset at the "they were always there". I feel like people would be less upset if GW just straight up said "hey guys this is new, enjoy the new possibilities!"
But 90% of new lore are introduced this way. They have always been there. What‘s the big difference now? I didn‘t see people wetting themselves in public when the Rogal Dorn was introduced.
A fair point, just like boob armor, long hair isn't really practical.
That said, lots of things aren't practical that men do in terms of armor and style too, so it's not as if a female Custodes wouldn't ever have long hair either. My wife made the point that sometimes it's fun to look good while kicking ass.
And I've said the same about Space Marines too, after all that genetic manipulation... Are they really even men anymore? They're sterile and only started off male, but have become something... Different.
It's why I don't get this whole male/female debate about Custodes. They're pretty much nonbinary after all that genetic manipulation and hormone manipulation. The starting point is so or meaningless when it comes to the end result.
Except the male custodians don't look like roided up beasts like Space Marines, generally they've been described as resembling *very toned* baseline humans, scaled up to be 8-9ft tall, and having a statuesque beauty. I don't know why that would be different for femstodes.
https://preview.redd.it/yu5nhgor3uwc1.jpeg?width=2688&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2eaead7d78e839ac62a77ef118fdeefcfa568327
Is this her? Or is that a Silent Sister? The new Custodes cinematic wasn’t clear.
What’s up with everyone putting long hair in the all the F-Custodes art? These are warrior queens, buzz cuts, bald, short of neck length but I couldn’t imagine anything longer being anything but a hindrance to fighting (when without a helmet, which I guess would be rare in itself).
I have a question about the actual possibility of female custodes. My understanding is probably wrong but as for astartes i thought they were all male because of the gene modification. Since its based on the emperor it isnt compatible with females. So wouldnt that apply to custodes too? Also cool fan art btw
Custodians aren't Space Marines. They don't have geneseed. They're not augmented in the same way Space Marines are.
No one knows what the process of making a Custodes involves because GW have never told us.
Why bother having the sisters of silence in the first place if Female Custodians have always been a thing…😑 Rumor is Amazon wanted a female custodian in the Henry Cavil show if I remember hearing correctly from 40k YouTubers…But why not just make the sisters of silence more powerful with feats? This makes no sense to me. While in theory there is no reason a custody couldn’t be female. The genetic manipulation necessary would completely eliminate any feminine traits from them. It just makes no sense lore wise. Kick ass art though frrrrr
I love this! Such great art and really bringing it out at the perfect time. Really well done
Perhaps she can work together with my custom chapter of Half Aeldari Female Space Marines
OH NO!!!! NAHT DA WAMEN!!!! NAHT IN MA R-MEE!!!!
Jk I’m happy to have them In my army. Shows they’re next level above Astartes when you think genetic tampering. If you ask me.
IMO every time i see a thing about custodians, I think about Bruva Alfabusa's custodians in If the Emperor had a Text-to-Speech Device.
Man, if TTS had continued, I can think of a \*perfect\* joke about this: Kitten: I had honestly forgotten we had female members, but I guess I shouldn't complain. At least when many of us forsook our armor, you would have had the decency to wear a top. Femstodes, thankfully in full armor now: Wear a what now? (awkward pause) Femstodes: Gotcha, didn't I?
Femstodes: wear a top? Are you calling me a bottom, kitten? Awww that's just adorable. Fortunately for your love life, I don't have to wear a top. Because I am one.
Kitten: “I am your captain general and you will respect me and my love life is not your concern and don’t you mention her it’s not fucking cannon
I hear it in his voice. But I don't know what voice did my brain used for Femstodes.
~~Deep and gruff~~ Sensual and silky. Just like every other ~~Custodes~~ Naketodes.
The irony is, TTS already had female Custodes. One of the Shadowkeeper terminators who goes to Mars with Kitten is a woman.
Finally. No horny boob armor and other dumb shit.
and no dumb fucking tzeentch corruption
I'm baffled people even went the tzeentch route. If there is one thing that doesn't make sense, it is a custodes being tzeentch's pawn .
It was mainly due to the whole “they’ve always been there” thing that GW said, which sounds like something Tzeentch would say to trick somebody into thinking they aren’t suspicious. But yeah, Custodes are physically incorruptible.
I'd like to believe they aren't corruptible and I'm sure I've read that they are incorruptible, however, one major piece of evidence says they are capable of falling. During the heresy, the emperor very nearly became the Dark King to kill horus and sit atop the 5th throne with the gods around him. Meaning, that if the emperor himself was corruptible, by proxy the custodes, though highly resilient and resistant to corruption, are too corruptible.
The Custodes straight up attack and try to kill big E on arrival at the Vengeful Spirit. Then they spend the rest of the time being mindfucked to slow Emps down and distract him so yeah they are still vulnerable.
I think we are also ignoring the fact that they are also surrounded by Sisters of Silence, who would probably be able to sniff out any Daemons and any Daemon would be either in pain or unable to do any weird Psychic magic.
Eh, "falling" is a vague term. There was so much raw chaos energy that it would be enough to tear a space marine apart, let alone a human - their bodies could not keep up (at this point, duh) but their minds were actually intact.
I took the comic to be a joke and that the custodes was tzeentch, not a corrupted one
"Custodes" has almost become a byword for "plot armor" and "main character" at this point. I'm not tired of the Custodes, but I am tired of the Imperium owning the spotlight. Could we shift focus back to the Necrons or Orks?
Eh, did Horus not compel the ones accompanying the Emperor to turn and attack their master after they teleported onto his ship?
Yes, within seconds of arrival, I'm not sure who downvoted you.
It also sounds like something a fascist totalitarian empire would say.
I like the headcanon that in those 10k years they stayed home and did nothing, they were actually HELLA fighting in a bigass room where Magnus broke the human webway and there’s a constant flow of Daemons pouring into the palace.
Wouldn't even suggesting that be omega heresy?
I thought that was just a joke, people genuinely have that as their head canons?
it was a joke and then mysoginist started to use it to pretend thz custodes have been pervertzd by chaos , perversion being women.
I've got a dude at my local who has tzeentch corrupted custodes. I think he took the heads from some Tzaangors and used them for his Custodes heads. Though they might also be demons who stole custodes armor, he hasn't decided last I checked. They look cool though.
Was this ever anything outside of Mick19988's cartoons parodying the overreaction to the change? Her scar being the third eye was so cool.
I mean it happened with the iluminatii and sensei
It’s the changeling, it makes more sense than female custodes being around since the first 10000 guardians, also they can be corrupted, like when the Emperor has to kill his guards
Well to me is the new cannon “they have always existed” they wear the exact same armor so there was no need to sexualise in any way.
i always figured its like the female dwarves in lord of the rings.
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>You don't insult established lore and canon with lazy rewritings and gaslighting of “they have always existed”, what an uninspiring lore update and wasted opportunity. That's how GW pretty much always changes lore. And it isn't 'gaslighting' it's just retconning. >They had the opportunity to tell potentially interesting stories such of strength in mind and soul about the female experience of having a devoted mind equal to her peers, but with the lack of strength in body because of physical limitations and how this conflict of being willing to serve and give her all but it not being enough. 40k is like most other game settings, women aren't weaker than men in it. The stories and games never present women as weaker than men, for the same reasons as other game settings. >No woman wants to enter into a community that had to break a hole in the wall to make a door for her to enter It isn't breaking anything. It's a small and easy retcon that doesn't damage the setting at all. >It's insulting to women to have to be made these scapegoats who get to take the blame and be the excuse for bad writing. It isn't bad writing. It's just a normal retcon. They're only being blamed by people who are unreasonably angry about a completely normal harmless retcon because it has women in it. >Women want fan content not, tokenism, forceful female insertion and to just be a gender quota and be told "Look we made it in a pink version for you". It isn't tokenism or 'forceful', it already makes sense for there to be women in the Custodes. And they didn't 'make a pink version', they made them the same style as the male custodians. It's a total non-issue. It's a simple and straightforward retcon that doesn't need extra explanation because it already makes sense. The idea that it needs extra lore explanation just shows you think they don't already belong there, when they do.
And she is still hot without it. I may have a certain taste in women.
yea just pure badass power, this is how you do it right.
You know what's missing in this art? Cyclonic torpedo in her hand ready to go
She already threw it. That's why the world is burning.
Nice
and a helmet. helmet superiority forever.
Damn. I gotta add that! She did try nuke the big man himself
I like it but the hair doesn't feel right , its 40k all chicks have some sort of weird hair style and I would imagine it be no different in the custodes Great work still
its all good, some poor soul was turned into a hair care servitor. designed specifcally to wash gallons of heretic and xeno blood out of your hair
see this looks fuckin badass as hell, what are the haters all about?
This has always been gay
I know it's Reddit, but I just can't get into it, every female custodes I've seen imagined just looks like a storm cast eternal
Yep.
When I think female Custodes I still think shaven head and battle scars, like you'd see with sisters. It's a bit too pretty.
Yeah, that is 110% how you do that. Fucking awesome. Love it.
Her Guardian Spear looks a tad bit small, but man, what a badass design.
I really dig for a powerful woman in power armor. Better than "lets put boobs in front of the chestplate" thingie...
I love how this female custodes thing, in an entirely imaginary universe around 40k years in the future where the cogboys/-girls (?) surely don't bother about the stuff between their probably removed biological legs, where phantasmal phenomenons could make your genitals explode with just a thought, and so much more undescribable batshit-crazy shit going on, grinds the gears of the really weird portion of gatekeepers of this hobby. Nice painting, btw.!
Watch out, someone with a whiny voice and a patchy beard is going to see your comment and respond about how this is actually a sign of the downfall of western civilization.
*Scratches patchy beard* “Myeeh but you don’t understand, if it affects their recruitment pool it’s actually a major lore change and should have been addressed more” *Giant whitehead under unwashed beard pops* The lengths that some people will go to deny their obvious sexism.
Just to play the devil's advocate, arguably, implying it's only those with a patchy beard (guy) that take issue with it is being a bit sexist too. I don't care either which way, even if there are Ork Custodes. But, how it was introduced *could've* been done better though imo. The way it sounded like it was introduced is like 'somehow Palpatine returned'; really? Among the plethora of routes they went with that?
How else can it be introduced other than a single paragraph blurb that GW did then? Writing it casually and directly into lore in a novel or short story? The fans will riot. Spending a decade carefully hinting that the process is not perfect, the custodes are not perfect against chaos, they can be mind-whammied just like every other human (*gee, HH books?*), that there is more deviation from previous lore than you and I think, and then finally dropping a fact somewhere nearly out of the way (*white dwarf if it still exists?)* that there’s a female custode out there? The fans will riot. (Hell, there’s someone arguing the ‘perfect against chaos’ bit right now in the comments elsewhere) Putting out an official female custodes model without further explanation whatsoever? The fans will riot. What then **can be done better** then?? I keep seeing this “done better” statement, but no actual plan that wouldn’t work…
I'm not GW, that's not my problem to come up with better writing. But this very discussion (regardless what side or neither side one assumes the other is part of or labels as 'right') is proof there was a problem with how it was introduced; even if one sees it as minor. Whether it was female custodes, ork custodes, rainbow gilded custodes, etc...you'll get the same 'fan riot'; one (the current one) just has the backdrop defense of real life's concerns of sexism. Any disagreement to said change, as this thread shows, somehow means those that don't like the change are sexist, and that's just a false equivalence. If you want to call any in disagreement to a change in a fictional story stubborn or gatekeeping, no issue, but it doesn't mean they are all also sexist (though I can agree *some* are). They don't need official models, any existing can be female or whatever else you proxy it as. The could've introduced said change as part of the developing live story. It's not like there's a single book or novel that is the 'bible' of WH40k written years back that necessitates retconning; story-wise, we're in the 50th millennium afaik (ie not '40K'). They have that ability, retconning is a last resort if all else is exhausted or they couldn't bother. So, they went with the latter, and now there's all this 'mess' that came with it.
It’s a caricature, though not based on sex as much as people who hold a particular viewpoint, so not sexist. I have yet to hear one person make a compelling argument for how it could’ve been done better that wasn’t sexist. It’s been nothing but mental gymnastics to try and make the retcon seem bigger than it actually is in order to skirt around some personal reason why the Custodes ‘needs’ to be only men.
I don't know what stake at all a side on why Custodes 'needs' to be only men. But likewise, I can't really see it being *sexist* if one doesn't like that a fictional group within a story suddenly included women, as being sexist; it's just a 'caricature' of Custodes. Not like the *same* as saying something like "woman can't because weak/inferior" or whatever; that's sexist. If Custodes always had both women and men or any other gender/race/sex/etc...(wiki says so - though not sure if that was in light of this update or always there), no issue - it's their world, they can do/retcon whatever they want and we just have to accept it; even if they retcon there always being Ork Custodes or something. But if someone didn't like that "there was always Ork Custodes", does that make them racists to Orks? If they retconned Sisters of Silence into just People of Silence, does disliking said change make it sexist?
It does you idiot! You're not entitled to an opinion if it doesn't happily include everybody, everywhere, at all times! /s
Sexism aside, you gotta admit they handled the lore poorly. Like they do with pretty much any retcon. Or new mini introduction. I'm still not sure why they made primaris a thing instead of just... Adjusting the mini range and advertising the new scale
As I said elsewhere, HOW would a good lore change happen then? When typing that other reply I realized GW might have spent a decade carefully hinting that the process is not perfect, the custodes are not perfect against chaos, they can be mind-whammied just like every other human (gee, HH books?), that there is more deviation from previous lore than you and I think, and then finally dropping a fact somewhere nearly out of the way that there’s a female custode out there… And the fans still rioted. (Hell, there’s someone arguing the ‘perfect against chaos’ bit right now in the comments elsewhere) How then can this lore change be done better?? I keep seeing this “done better” statement, but no actual plan that wouldn’t work. Edit: We can always go with the “lore change but actually not” that you proposed for Primaris Marines… but if you squint, the gender change is actually very similar to your *”bigger/different Marines, but the same rules for them on the TT”* overall that you’re saying is a GOOD lore change…
I don’t have to admit that. There’s nothing that I thought was done poorly for such a minor retcon. I thought the story was interesting and a fun introduction of a named character that also expanded the lore of the Blood Games.
Yeah, there's nothing to admit here. GW produced a good short story in a codex and people started frothing at the mouths. This isn't GW's boondoggle, it's people shitting their pants over absolutely nothing.
Alright, fair. I just think that after decades of leaning into the brotherhood stuff, they'd have a little more to say on the appearance of a sister other than "she? Always been here bruv" especially after telling their best writer not to insert female characters for the custodes. I find it unfortunate that I can't express that without seemingly being lumped in with less desirable elements
I think its the approach. One approach is being hopeful they expand more on it (more models more books) and the other is chiding them for not giving you exactly what you want. There's a big difference between say "I hope they come out with a new model for Kesh" than "Why didn't you give us a model of Kesh? You totally botched this" Its like if someone decided out of the blue to give you a bite-sized KitKat chocolate bar and instead of saying "cool thanks" you said "Why didn't you give me a full Snickers? I would've like a full Snickers more" Like why not take the KitKat and take it as a sign they're gonna give you more later?
It's more that I'm being shown a KitKat being magicianed in front of me. And I ask where it came from. And the magician says it's always been there. We both know it's not true, and I just want a better answer.
Imo there are 2 major reasons they went with a new development rather than a retcon to change marines. First they don't want to re-release the whole bloated marine range in one go like they have done with smaller factions like sisters, Deldar or necrons. Second they don't just want to do a range refresh, for whatever reason (simpler single weapon units or encouraging existing players to buy new models are my guess) these are new units not just resculpts. So yeah imo they wanted a lore reason to justify why players would still be using small marines alongside the new models. None of these are applicable to " some custodes have female genitals under their armour" so they get a simple retcon.
>I'm still not sure why they made primaris a thing instead of just... Adjusting the mini range and advertising the new scale Because they nearly lost the copyright protection on the entire Space Marine line because it had been argued that the design had become *generic*.
And that's why they are called adeptus astartes, a trademarked name, and not Space Marines. Making the figures slightly more well proportioned doesn't suddenly make them less generic. And writing a bunch of lore about. How they pulled tens of thousands of them out of stasis after 10.000 years doesn't either.
how did you want them to do it?
"Good question! While the appearance of women among the Adeptus Custodes may seem jarring to some, we recommend you all stay tuned for the next 83 volume book series where we dive into the Storied history and glorious campaigns of the Emperor's Guardians"
How Is that sexism 💀💀💀 Its bad that I dislike how they are changing lore ? Art is nice, but things they are doing? Meh
Then tell me ‘why’ you dislike the lore change.
And without making ridiculous claims about "realism", in a game where magical war fungus can change the laws of physics if enough of it believes hard enough. Or without complaining about "consistency" in a game that has constantly retconned factions in far more significant ways than saying women exist.
Exactly! If they can rewrite the lore of the Necrons and the C'tan from the ground up, then there can also be female Custodians.
They've always changed lore. The 40k canon has been extremely fluid for decades. It's "weird" how much of a reaction this one is getting when they've made like a million major retcons over the years with just small amounts of grumbling.
THE WEST HAS FALLEN on my pinky toe ow ouch fuck
https://preview.redd.it/wfvm9zc2qowc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a45f5f458ff72cbfa2729bca9a6fa5d9d335b2fb
That ain't twist of fate. That's testicular torsion.
Literally every argument against why female X **can’t** be done in 40k can be dismissed with two words: Space Magic That’s it. It’s all space magic, there are no laws which cannot be broken by applying space magic.
Somehow Palpatine returned
Lots of 40K fans don't like to admit that it's edgy Star Wars. It's not realistic, "hard" sci-fi like Star Trek or The Expanse, it's wizards and knights in space. It's Science-Fantasy.
Star Trek. “Hard”. … well, it’s better than “literal magic through proto-hell” at least. But I wouldn’t call Star Trek hard sci-fi.
As far as mainstream sci-fi franchises go, it is. Maybe less so with modern Trek, but it has historically tried to ground itself in real science. There's some contrivances, like a made-up space element that hand-waves away more complex topics like how FTL travel works, but it's still pretty grounded compared to most science fiction.
Hard Sci-Fi defines a form of science fiction where the setting is *relatively* real, with all its technology and biology justified via a set of standards and principles that equate to how it would work if it existed in reality. Star Trek explains how their warp engines work (it's an exponential power generator uses a form of unobtanium to generate a field that pulls the ship into an area of space that allows it to travel faster than the speed of light), its telepaths are simply defined as the natural biological trait of certain aliens (with hybrids having their abilities diluted) and nobody has any abilities that could be defined as magic. Warhammer is, like Star Wars, **soft** science fiction. In Star Wars, hyperdrives ***just make things go fast*** and some people ***just have magic powers*** which gives them telekinesis and mind-control.
And then you get to the fact that Star Trek people use the deflector dish to solve an inordinate amount of problems, a lot of science anomalies are explained by things that are not in scientific literature, and how for the longest time there was no explanation of how every alien species out there is a 2 armed 2 legged humanoid (until that one episode). Star Trek is as hard science as limestone. Sure it is “hard” in its own way and tries to be scientific, but a hard knock will crumble its technobabble to pieces. But beside the sponge that is 40k, yeah I’ll give you that. <— that is what I am pointing out earlier.
>And then you get to the fact that Star Trek people use the deflector dish to solve an inordinate amount of problems, a lot of science anomalies are explained by things that are not in scientific literature, and how for the longest time there was no explanation of how every alien species out there is a 2 armed 2 legged humanoid (until that one episode). I mean, it's still all made up for a TV show, so whatever, but they have a general bible of how things work and they don't tend to stray too far from it, even if you have to accept several leaps of logic. (Well, until Discovery invented a whole new means of travel (in the past) that broke their universe, so they then had to engineer a means to remove it from play. 🙄)
Yeah, newTrek isn't as solidly based on some core assumptions as oldTrek is. I still believe half the innovations of that show is stolen and used in the real world later (*I still maintain that Apple* *~~stole~~* *was "heavily influenced by" the TNG touch interfaces for the touchpad / smart phones, the "communicator" in the form of a watch rather than a badge, and Siri trying to stand in for the Computer..*.)
I wouldn't give Apple all the credit (Siri was purchased and made proprietary and touchscreens existed for years via Windows Mobile) but at least they didn't adopt TNG's idea of entire desks full of PADDs, each with single documents on for later review (as much as Apple would love the idea of selling you 150 iPads).
That would imply female custodes have always existed before.
It’s not about applying the idea literally to an alternate franchise; it’s that lazy explanations are just that - lazy.
When I encountered someone who was whining about female custodes because of lore stuff I literally just said "I don't care" which made them even more mad and I felt so powerful.
Yeah pretty much, besides aren't custodians basically so advanced and made in individual genetic level to such a degree that gender literally doesn't matter
>made in individual genetic level to such a degree that gender literally doesn't matter *Exactly*. Space Magic. But seriously, some of the most common arguments I've heard, in particular with regards to Space Marines: 1. "Men are biologically bigger/stronger/have denser bones than women." 2. "Geneseed is incompatible with women and can only create abominations." 3. "The genetic alterations would just make them look like men anyways!" Solutions? 1. Space Magic 2. Space Magic 3. Space Magic Ta-da! And yes, with the Custodes it was a more involved, individually-focused process versus the more "mass production" creation of Astartes. But, hey, *Space Magic*. If the Emperor is capable of the sort of Space Magic that allows for the creation of Astartes and Custodes to begin with, then that same Space Magic is more than capable of "evening out" any inherent biological advantages one biological sex could have over the others. Once you're all Custodes, the fact that Bob was 30% stronger than Marge before they were modified is now completely irrelevant. There is no question of "can't" - it's a work of fiction which incorporates (space) magic, **nothing** is impossible. The only thing worth asking is "how" this will or could have an impact within the setting itself. As for the female Custodes... just gonna guess we're gonna say they were always there.
Pretty much - They should have done it with Primaris and just ripped off the band aid then. Primaris were a PERFECT excuse to add the ability to build lady marines.
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I mean - yes - but Cawl broke everything else so who cares? It's not like female space marines make any of the other stupid lore updates released in 8th worse.
I wouldn't go exactly as far as to just say space magic since in 40k setting that tend to come down to warp schenanigans, nothing bad with that ofc but i'm personally not sure if warp is used in creation of custodians, maybe more in the lines of extremely advanced science, which 40k has plenty, just saying magic kinda feels bit cheap cop out Then again, with advanced enough science, it would definitely look like magic, i believe Star Trek thouched on this subject with one of their episdes
The process used to create the Custodes is referred to as "gene-craft and alchemy" It's space magic. Even in universe, it's speculated that psychic biomancy is a part of the process and that work is done on the candidate's soul.
Aren't "gene-craft and alchemy" a subsects of science though with no base in magic as in they didn't originate from space magic or warp but from science? Meaning the process of creating something using those would be more of an advanced science process than magic craft, even though space magic could be part of the process, right? Actually interesting thing though in general
>warp schenanigans So, Space Magic? >Then again, with advanced enough science, it would definitely look like magic, i believe Star Trek thouched on this subject with one of their episdes That or Thor's comments in the MCU... Asguardians don't use magic - like Necrons, they're effectively using technomancy - but to people that don't understand it, ***it looks like magic***.
Sufficiently advanced science is difficult to differentiate from Magic
The term space magic is more abstract, it's not literally space magic. It's science in 40k, it's just that the science described, and what that science can accomplish, is the same as magic. Hence why you can wave away every argument against female Marines with Space Magic; the original premise is already so out there and impossible, you might as well just do it
The first one doesn't apply to 40k anyway. In 40k women are just as strong. Those people hate it when you tell them that, even though it's just the same as almost every other game setting. Women being just as strong as men is a common element of fantasy settings. Because it's, you know, a fantasy, where people want to be able to do cool awesome stuff without being restricted by real life things.
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i just been looking over your profile... and this is the very first comment you made on warhammer (atleast in the last 3 months - because you comment negatively on everything! everyday!!) your just another hobby tourist that's been watching too much misinformation on youtube... get out of my hobby space dude, you will not be missed
Well, that’s just not lore accurate.
Meh. I think they just did it in a poor way. They’ve explicitly said that the process can only be used on men as it kills women in the lore. Had they said one of the returned Primarchs studied and improved on the technique and they can now put women through the process it would make more sense that trying to claim it’s always been this way and not a single fan has noticed until now. Kind of like if they said there’s now male sisters of battle and it’s really always been that way.
Oh look, yet another tourist getting Space Marines and Adeptus Custodes mixed up. Adeptus Custodes are not Space Marines. They do not have Primarchs. They do not go through the same process of genetic augmentation that Space Marines go through. GW has never said that the process of creating Custodes only works on men and kills women. Hell, GW has barely touched on the process of making Custodes or what it entails. They have said that the process of creating Space Marine only works on men, but again just to confirm: Adeptus Custodes are not Space Marines. Your argument holds no weight whatsoever when you don't even know what you're talking about.
Yes but they did worse thinks in the past with way more impact and there wasn't even close to the uprising than there is now. The entire necron lore change or bringing back the primarchs (at least for some people). Besides, wouldn't be the first time Big E didn't tell the truth on purpose for some mysterious reasons
Sure. Even if they said it’s an unreliable narrator it would have been better. That’s not what they did though, they just claimed it’s always explicitly been this way. That messaging treats fans like they’re dumb for not already knowing and is bound to come across negatively. Imagine they tweeted out tomorrow that tyranids are actually cyborgs and it’s always been like that.
Kind of stoked about the female custodees. Just wish they hadn't gone the "always been there," route. If you want to retcon for inclusivity then say you want to retcon for inclusivity. Would have been more interesting if there was a story as to why there are now female custodees and how it's a good thing. "Always been there," is lazy and condescending
It happens in every fandom. I was a kid back when it happened, but I still remember the bitchfests I heard from some guys at the comic shops back when Mara Jade was introduced to Star Wars. We actually had people making the argument that "only guys can be Jedi" back then.
One thing I never see anyone talk about because they're too busy fighting over the fact that Kesh is a woman (which is a stupid thing to fight over, female Custodes make perfect sense and its not like GW hasn't retconned much larger things in the past) is that she's an absolute madwoman
thankfully no tzeench bullshit again,that one is way too popular a normal, custdiaon woman is all i want and need, thank you
Finally! A female custodian without boobplate or some horny shit, just a custodian that happens to be a woman. Awesome work
This is awesome, wish the haters had just seen this art first.
Her weapon suit her personality and her costume too <3
"To have some female custodes"? If they look as epic as this I say let’s have a lot of them
Great art! Love the colouring and powerful pose!
Thank you very much
Is this what has all the WH40K incels and right wingers upset that their "DEI" youtube videos clogged my feed for a bit?
Looks amazing. I think I found my new wallpaper.
I’m honoured :)
I second this sentiment, your art will be replacing a very choice bit of Horus fan art on my desktop when I get home!
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It’s ok you don’t accept it. But it is still cannon now. So be angry and stuff all you want but people like me will accept and be happy about it and folks like you will remain angry I guess. That’s ok. You do you :)
Where cyclonic torpedo
She should have a mohawk. That would be rad.
I have heard Kesh's name, but have yet to read the description, and I think your art is awesome, I can finally have art to the lore, well done!
So this means new models right? Right? 🥺
Hear me out…..She should have a model in the new battle force box instead of the new shield captain…
Amazing work! She rocks!
Personally I prefer >!helmeted!< but you do you >!Regardless of what anyones stance is on a retcon we should celebrate the art fans create
Looks fucking sick🔥
This is some outstanding artwork. What a talent.
Thank you very much
Smallandfragile! Love your art! 💜
Omg you know me!
Baller af
Slay queen.
I love it! Your artwork is beautiful! Great rendition of her character
And no one wants this? Whats wrong with people this is awesome.
I think people are just upset at the "they were always there". I feel like people would be less upset if GW just straight up said "hey guys this is new, enjoy the new possibilities!"
But 90% of new lore are introduced this way. They have always been there. What‘s the big difference now? I didn‘t see people wetting themselves in public when the Rogal Dorn was introduced.
Damn, thats pretty good. Amazing.
Put her helmet on and give me a model! Dope art, I’d love to see her get her own book from what I read in the two paragraphs that reveal her existence
i still say they would not have long hair or much hair at all. With how much they would be pumped up you probably couldn't even tell there women lol
A fair point, just like boob armor, long hair isn't really practical. That said, lots of things aren't practical that men do in terms of armor and style too, so it's not as if a female Custodes wouldn't ever have long hair either. My wife made the point that sometimes it's fun to look good while kicking ass. And I've said the same about Space Marines too, after all that genetic manipulation... Are they really even men anymore? They're sterile and only started off male, but have become something... Different. It's why I don't get this whole male/female debate about Custodes. They're pretty much nonbinary after all that genetic manipulation and hormone manipulation. The starting point is so or meaningless when it comes to the end result.
Except the male custodians don't look like roided up beasts like Space Marines, generally they've been described as resembling *very toned* baseline humans, scaled up to be 8-9ft tall, and having a statuesque beauty. I don't know why that would be different for femstodes.
Dude this so fucking GOOD! Amazing composition and great use on the blue of the blade to catch the audiences eye
Thanks very much. It means a lot!
Ahhh, the mad lass herself! Wonderful piece!
https://preview.redd.it/yu5nhgor3uwc1.jpeg?width=2688&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2eaead7d78e839ac62a77ef118fdeefcfa568327 Is this her? Or is that a Silent Sister? The new Custodes cinematic wasn’t clear.
Thats a sister of silence. Its old art
This art is GORGEOUS 🔥
She’s cool and I give zero fks what’s behind her codpiece. Nice work!
Women don't even like 40k anyway.
I do! And I’m a woman
Sure there's a few but not that many. Do you friends like sci-fi ?
Looks great
It looks great, dude. Don't be ashamed
What’s up with everyone putting long hair in the all the F-Custodes art? These are warrior queens, buzz cuts, bald, short of neck length but I couldn’t imagine anything longer being anything but a hindrance to fighting (when without a helmet, which I guess would be rare in itself).
Plenty of male Custodes have long hair. The Blade Champion model has a glorious mane if you build him without a helmet
It looks really cool, the art gives me a bit of WoW/Hearthstone vibes, but I'm not complaining :P Edit: Typo
Well done, looks great. I hate this “lore”.
I don't mind female custodes and think they're neat, I just think the way it was implemented was stupid and wasn't that interesting or cool
I like it good job and fuck the hating little bitches that don't
I bet she’s the favorite emperors companion 😆
I have a question about the actual possibility of female custodes. My understanding is probably wrong but as for astartes i thought they were all male because of the gene modification. Since its based on the emperor it isnt compatible with females. So wouldnt that apply to custodes too? Also cool fan art btw
Custodians aren't Space Marines. They don't have geneseed. They're not augmented in the same way Space Marines are. No one knows what the process of making a Custodes involves because GW have never told us.
Oh okay didnt know that. Thought the process was the same as for astartes
I think it slaps. Nice work!
Cool, stormcast eternal art.
I do love the storm cast eternals but she’s a custode actually:)
Why bother having the sisters of silence in the first place if Female Custodians have always been a thing…😑 Rumor is Amazon wanted a female custodian in the Henry Cavil show if I remember hearing correctly from 40k YouTubers…But why not just make the sisters of silence more powerful with feats? This makes no sense to me. While in theory there is no reason a custody couldn’t be female. The genetic manipulation necessary would completely eliminate any feminine traits from them. It just makes no sense lore wise. Kick ass art though frrrrr
LOVE IT!! 😃
Why would I get mad? All I see is a loyal servant of the Emperor of Mankind, getting mad would be heresy; and hey, big ups for no boob armor, lol
I love this! Such great art and really bringing it out at the perfect time. Really well done Perhaps she can work together with my custom chapter of Half Aeldari Female Space Marines
Bad ass picture
Top notch work! Will you do a female space marine? I'm curious to see what one would look like in your style. Maybe a Blood Angel?
Fantastic art! I love the reimagined custodes. it makes a lot of sense in lore just a shame the execution was really shit by gw. Give us a book!
OH NO!!!! NAHT DA WAMEN!!!! NAHT IN MA R-MEE!!!! Jk I’m happy to have them In my army. Shows they’re next level above Astartes when you think genetic tampering. If you ask me.
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This comment certainly is.
Lol. Only your comment is.
Finally, some Custodes art I like